pvp

[coral wren]

I dropped another today due to facing another Nakaga fleet and having everyone's airstrikes and barrages go off at the exact same time.

Theirs won out. 😦

[vague token]

dont feel bad, i just straight up forgot a match

was sitting at 6/10

but then i was playing another game and oh where'd the time go

lol

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

finally the upcoming maintenance is a breather

we deserve it

[hot creek]

nah, screw that. LET ME GRINNNND

its fine ill get my 2mil before matinance starts anyways

[abstract cypress]

who the hell want MT in a single player game

[buoyant parrot]

actually what I'm trying to say is the maintenance content has no event. We need that rest so we can focus grind and earn Cubes for the time being.

[abstract cypress]

another event in the middle of ai and bel

no thx

[buoyant parrot]

my 800 cubes went 0 and now I'm finally at 63 need 3 weeks to recover

[abstract cypress]

im at 0 thx to pr

[buoyant parrot]

I ain't using my cubes for PR ever.

[abstract cypress]

i rarely got no req research

and my money drying cuz mlb ships

[buoyant parrot]

I'd rather do trash research than spend my cubes on it

[abstract cypress]

is there any tier list for research tho?

[abstract cypress]

thx

i didnt see anywhere in this server

[buoyant parrot]

its pinned @ #avrora-general

[abstract cypress]

avrora,not help

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

[abstract cypress]

im in flexington

[shell heron]

[buoyant parrot]

...

[modest elbow]

[buoyant parrot]

Avrora Master Race... I just had to chat that out.

[modest elbow]

first time i see lex called flexington

[abstract cypress]

cuz

[wicked rivet]

ington

[ionic magnet]

that one in t0 only has equip bps?

[abstract cypress]

yes, probably have the highest value

[ionic magnet]

who needs gear bps

[finite valve]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U4kORhfB7RQXoxmku4PJfDkLQdQoDABol7z77eqx1xA/edit#gid=1988394486

found this hidden gem from 4chan

better then looking at that picture

@abstract cypress

[ionic magnet]

this one looks cleaner

[vague token]

oh, i saw what the buff looks like

it's a fancy circle aura underneath enemies

(for kizuna beam)

it also uh, doesnt seem to ever run out

[elder crane]

Does more stacks then make then progressively sparklier?

[vague token]

uh, i havent had it buff enemies that much yet but ill try to keep an eye out when im not playing another game

xD

[wicked rivet]

added the minimum time remaining for each rank to be obtainable onto the rank chart. With some good extra points you can hit the rank needed 2 cycles early after rank 10, and maybe even 3 early for Admiral of the Navy

if anyone wants to mess with the spreadsheet I used @ me

[coral wren]

I feel really stupid.

I didn't realize until a moment ago that Roon's exp grind was only for CLs and CAs.

[wicked rivet]

oh no

[coral wren]

Not that I was doing any grinding, but it's still disappointing that only Prinz was adding exp.

Of course that explains why after a few days I'm only at 5%.

[steep fog]

oof

im gonna use prinz leipzig spee

[coral wren]

I'm gonna go with Prinz, Hipper, and whoever the fuck that blue one is.

Who is for some reason terrified of me.

[vague token]

dear god sara just cannot hit jintsuu/ykk/aya at all

even with +25 hit

im super triggered

[coral wren]

I still need to knock out 15k Ai points anyway.

[vague token]

also wow didnt know fp got so high ,14.9k frontline lol

i wish i had another fairey firefly

i want to try two of those

[ionic magnet]

@wicked rivet change the base rank score gain for private into 25

p sure 28 is wrong

[wicked rivet]

Is it 25

I got this from the wiki

[ionic magnet]

others can testify

yes

[wicked rivet]

So if its wrong then the wiki is wrong

[ionic magnet]

yep

[wicked rivet]

Either way, it should be close

Ill edit it tomorrow when i get a chance, im in bed now

[ionic magnet]

sure

[shy hazel]

i dont get what the list is for

[wicked rivet]

How much tiem in the season will be left when you can reach that rank

[shy hazel]

aaa for curious ppl

for regular pvper it might as well be bodyclock

only superior sandbaggers has 1 reset in advance to get gensui

[abstract cypress]

@finite valve

[odd schooner]

[ripe veldt]

is belgun BIS for triple BB

3x belgun has high FP and chunks the enemy vanguard pretty well before either vanguard dies

[odd schooner]

Still using 127, they die faster with it
Also additional AA

[ionic magnet]

there's no clear BiS. just a matter of preference between 155 and 127

[leaden sequoia]

depends on the enemy fleet

enemy vg too stronk - take 127

enemy planes too stronk - take 127

otherwise take 155 for fp

[vague token]

oh boi i got sumire

what are these names on this fleet lol

[odd schooner]

Still has onichichi?

He's having trouble with heat lately

[vague token]

xD

forgot i had amagi top for some of the weird fleets

mostly foxes

swap amagi to bottom against hiryuu and match is so much easier lol

[lament lichen]

gotta love it when the opponent puts hiryuu at top so you dont need to swap

[vague token]

i just realized that CA kizuna is actually kinda tanky to gun damage

15% for first 30

15% vs HE

[random vault]

anyone tried out her in pvp yet?

[vague token]

i leveled destroyer so ill try eventually

once 2m for saint louis is done

since that's soon

no time to level other ships xD

also im seeing her base evade is REALLY high

49 at 100

like what

i think she's a good bridge to saint louis

with pyoko on maybe YKK

i can give her a bit of extra firepower

without gimping hp that much

since it adds kizuna ai nationality

so she'll have +12% firepower

that's all right

probably the strongest bruiser CA we have in EN

[random vault]

the yellow skill is based on nationality? not as in the clone kizunas?

[vague token]

uh, dunno

im just guessing

xD

oh wait, maybe that would work against since it would take away the damage reduction part

hmmm

i mean i can live without the FP

so it's w/e

[midnight heron]

wow theres actually research dat uses weapon bp as mats

sucks dat i used to always construct da weapons and disassemble them lul

[modern tree]

What a waste of money to get blue plates

[vague token]

xD

[charred sable]

Quick feedback: does this look readable?

[hot creek]

its alright. but who exactly is your target audience with that?

[charred sable]

quick reference chart to see whether or not you accidentally missed an attack lol

aka pretty much just the people here

[hot creek]

1 minute pvp warning, from yours truly

[charred sable]

LOL

I was about to miss 1 attack

RIP, I missed it

[vague token]

it's ok it happens to us all

[charred sable]

looking at the reference chart I just made....

[vague token]

i was playing terraria earlier and missed one

xD

[charred sable]

missing this 1 single attack puts me 2 points behind what I would have gotten had I not done any sandbagging this entire season

feels bad

[ionic magnet]

problem with that chart is that you will still get bonus pts even w/o sandbagging

[charred sable]

minimal bonus points

[abstract cypress]

sandbaggers deserve it

[charred sable]

in my case, I did casual sandbagging since reset

and according to my chart, all that sandbagging gave me a buffer zone of pretty much just this 1 attack lol

[abstract cypress]

casual wut

[ionic magnet]

[abstract cypress]

aint casuals just attack 5x whenever they log in

[charred sable]

lol

if you were someone who attacks 5 times each time you log in but never missed or lost a single attack

you would now have 2 more points than me

oh wait, nvm, Im at 9/10, not 5/10

so I'm still at +48 vs a full casual

[abstract cypress]

im attack cuz dailies

[vague token]

[abstract cypress]

and theres a time i didnt login for days welp

[charred sable]

worst season for me was when I was at Sakura-con the entire weekend and the room I was staffing had really shitty internet

[vague token]

oof

[charred sable]

couldn't even use my attacks even if I wanted to

[midnight heron]

i wud use all 5 atks if ppl stop sandbagging so i dont get +9 for using all 5 lul

[abstract cypress]

didnt bother to get gensui twice so

that was a hard time

[odd schooner]

Was it really that hard on season 1

I did mine on 2nd reset gensui day

[abstract cypress]

nah im on lex

[elder crane]

Did some namayuu mirror testing vs sumire, and got worried there for a second, cause I lost a bunch of test matches
Turns out it was just bad barrage rng, apparently being down 3 barrage activations means it's pretty impossible to win
Not really anything new, but I suppose it highlights the RNG

[abstract cypress]

and when flequel and shits was active is super hard

[odd schooner]

So when barrage goes south

It hits very low chances on winning?

Overlord flequel

[elder crane]

Yeah, I'll have to do some estimates tomorrow on the chances of this
Every match with at most one less barrage activation, I won, and iirc the two matches I was down 2 activations went one each

[charred sable]

No sandbagging:

[elder crane]

Also defense team Ryuusei on Hiryuu as I predicted is much more scary than barras

[charred sable]

With sandbagging

getting +11 all the time of course is very unrealistic xD

[elder crane]

Not that unrealistic I'd say before commodore, averaging +1

But afterwards, yeah, I'd say +.5 averaged is more realistic

[charred sable]

averaging +5 every 5 set? I'd say +2/+3 every 5 set

for me, its +2/+3 every 5 set during the first week, then +1/+2 during the first half of the second week, then +0/+1 during the final half of the second week

oops, I forgot to adjust the points in the max chart

[lament lichen]

does hard mode count for research exp. I cant remember

[elder crane]

First few days it's very possible to average +2 per match
And before commodore +4/5 matches averaged isn't unlikely
Until yesterday, Tuesday, I think I managed to get +2/5 or +3/5 every round, with the occasional +4/5 during Friday/Saturday early on in commodore

[ionic magnet]

max pts should be famine

[leaden sequoia]

if exp for 1m/2m, then yes

hard mode counts as a sortie

[elder crane]

Dailies do too

Exercise, dorm, comms, aud, are the ones that don't count

[charred sable]

There you go, fixed chart:

[leaden sequoia]

anything where you can manually control your fleet contributes to exp grind

(I find this explanation a bit easier to understand)

[charred sable]

so... the DORM???

[leaden sequoia]

sadly, you can only control one girl at a time in dorm

unless... multitouch?

[charred sable]

how many cage-like furnitures have we gotten so far?

[shy hazel]

its harder not to get aotn than to get one

my ocd kicks in when i dont spend rounds

[charred sable]

"Some" sandbagging version, aka the version that'll most likely match what I'll be getting

[elder crane]

I'm at 1772, 10/10 right now
Based on your sandbagging chart, getting a +1 every match places us at 1801, 10/10
Backtracking to last Friday then, when commodore was first hit, that means I probably averaged more than +1 per match up for my time before commodore

And I know some people are at least around where I am, with probably a few well above me

[lament lichen]

i am at 1781 i think

[charred sable]

Im at 1744 with 9/10. If I hadn't lost that 1 attack earlier and used all 10, I'd be 1844. According to my "some" sandbagging chart, Id be at 1834. So it's not too off (for me at least)

[shy hazel]

to be honest

i dont understand a single shit in that chart

or the point of it

ill just sandbag as usual

[vague token]

they're various predicted points at every day

so you can see if you ahead or behind

the "expected" values

one is like ultra sand bag every round

one is no bonus

and one is some bonus

[shy hazel]

pvp is so dead rn

i doubt it would mtter much

[vague token]

xD

also oops, tabbed to watch twitch and there goes another

[vague token]

so like, does 381 no ijn speed amagi just lose to hyuuga in trades, cause ive been having this problem

xD

[odd schooner]

It's hard to understand

[vague token]

either that or im getting rng'd really hard

[odd schooner]

Pree sure kamita famine vysaga at 1778-1780

10/10

Or 83+ since i had +0 4x straight

So far behind

[lament lichen]

kamita is at 1783

im at 1781 with famine

[odd schooner]

So far

[half iron]

god damn, my lil bro tried out the game and somehow did a pvp round and lost

rip my season

[vague token]

lol

[half iron]

showed me the screen "Annihilated" and I'm like how did y...

[steep fog]

[midnight heron]

first thing all new players shud learn is how to reset

[leaden sequoia]

and first thing all veteran players shud learn is how to limit access to valuable data

[shy hazel]

time to throw away your brother for a sister now

im left behind

tbh

im too busy this round anyways

reminds me vy

what happened to u last season

i didnt see u

[lament lichen]

I was top 5 last season with one missing attack

[shy hazel]

did u like reach it at :59

[lament lichen]

I was there at like 55

[supple stratus]

Can i use Hiryuu in Global with AmaNagato combo?

[hot creek]

thats basically what the meta is so yeah

[supple stratus]

can i use her without retro?

[hot creek]

indeed.

[supple stratus]

Welp lets go, YEET

Also Vanguard Meta?

Is it Aurora/Smokescreen character, Eldridge, Juneau

[versed atlas]

if you're on the attacking side

the specific meta usually isnt that important

equip matters more

as long as your ships are near the top tier choices

[steep fog]

I just run the usual ykkz juneau bel

[odd schooner]

Some use Belfast Juneau Ykkz
Some Sheffield Juneau Ykkz

I forgot the Torp vg

[versed atlas]

i do juneau belfast yukikaze

but juneau jintsuu yukikaze works just as well

okay, maybe not just as well, but close

when attacking i almost never have to reset

maybe once every few days

and it didn't really matter if i ran

nagato - amagi - hiryuu, juneau - belfast - yukikaze

[supple stratus]

I run Juneau Helena Ayaya

[versed atlas]

or nagato - amagi - enterprise, juneau - jintsuu - yukikaze

[supple stratus]

Probs gonna run Junaeu, Eldridge, Nanoda

[versed atlas]

i'm gonna try aurora instead of bel once i get aurora to level up, but that's gonnat ake a while

problem with eldridge is that she's kinda squishy

[supple stratus]

In her thighs

[versed atlas]

but i mean

if your backline is good

you can win most fights running like

nagato - amagi - hiryuu, junueau, purin, yukikaze

dont even need to reset most of the time

as long as your equip's good

most people's defense fleets just aren't very strong

[supple stratus]

I think i know what i'm gonna run in the future

[odd schooner]

I switch fleets depending on enemy
Anything that is not namaryuu - Nakaga Sirius Aurora Ykkz
If enemy is namaryuu - Namaryuu Belfast Juneau Ykkz with Amagi slotted at the same spot of enemy Hiryuu
If i get pissed off with bad rng on namaryuu I go Plan B - WasdA Belfast Juneau Ykkz

[versed atlas]

i used mogami in pvp when i levelled her from 100 to 110

[supple stratus]

AmaNaga with Hiryuu, Juneau, Aurora, Eldridge for offence

[versed atlas]

i wouldn't run two destroyers like that

[supple stratus]

Hiryuu, Owarida, Nagato, Juneau, Aurora, Belfast for defence

[versed atlas]

i dont have enough general parts to get 4x +10 toolboxes

[supple stratus]

Portland or Mogami could take it's place, although any othere recommendations?

[versed atlas]

i guess there's the headband now that you can replace one toolbox with

mogami really wasn't good

so i doubt portland is either

[supple stratus]

Just go belfast?

[versed atlas]

also i wouldn't recommend that defense fleet at all

nagato is pretty pointless

do you have amagi?

[supple stratus]

Yes

[versed atlas]

why not use her?

i would pick amagi over nagato if you dont have other IJN ships to buff

[supple stratus]

I wanted to make my def fleet live as long as possible

I can switch between the two

[midnight heron]

just tried nakaga + aurora/sirius and failed to kill enemy frontline of 3 destroyers with first airstrike and i'm like 🤔

[supple stratus]

What does Sirius do again?

[versed atlas]

makes CVs stronger

and hit more often

does nagato's buff work with sirius' buff though?

[supple stratus]

I could run that with foxes

Sirius + Hiryuu + Foxes

[odd schooner]

She buffs CV dmg and flat 10% hit

[versed atlas]

wait

doesn't she buff AVI?

whereas nagato affects damage?

noice

noiceeeeeeeeeee

i should try that

but my sirius is still level 100

dang

[odd schooner]

And cv bomb should drop at enemy or it will plop in water

Why boiler fleet usually evade airstrike

[versed atlas]

but does the avi buff stack with akaga's avi buff?

[midnight heron]

its pretty annoying when they dodge most of it and u're running a full offense team so any counterattacks and u dead

[supple stratus]

additively?

[hot creek]

yeah I gave up on nakaga after being walled by namagiryuu and after nearly losing to an amakaga. Nakaga is straight 🚮

[supple stratus]

I bought SD just for memes to flex on friend

Gonna bench her for a bit

[odd schooner]

Just prep different kind of fleets

I'm fixing my hms rn

It's like you have base kamen rider form

[supple stratus]

QE rise up

[odd schooner]

Then have survive

And final final form

[meager dawn]

is it too late to work on QE for pvp rn?

[hot creek]

start prepping germans

[ionic magnet]

bisko on 15th

[odd schooner]

[supple stratus]

Will Eugen finally delay long enough for backfleet to do something?

[odd schooner]

Max pogg if they became a real wall

[supple stratus]

I still don't have z46

[versed atlas]

wait

[odd schooner]

Like

[versed atlas]

is it confirmed that bismarck will come?

[midnight heron]

inb4 its actually dio

[odd schooner]

Okay they wont do dmg

[versed atlas]

on the 15th

[odd schooner]

But you won't do dmg to them

[versed atlas]

because if she is

fuck zeppy

i' need to collect cubes

[supple stratus]

I need cubes RN too

[random vault]

berlin wall ability - entire backline receive no damage for first 20 secs

[versed atlas]

wait actually

[supple stratus]

Eugen finally does gun damage comparable to DD's

[versed atlas]

maybe you need zeppy in a KMS fleet

[random vault]

well biscuit coming to cn jp, we just dunno abt what 'mystery ship' is coming to en

[supple stratus]

Dio

[odd schooner]

More like eugen gonna ram you instead to do dmg

Like an ssr glowworm

[random vault]

when paired with leipzig

ramming damage increase by 500%

[supple stratus]

be a waifu

[random vault]

irl she rammed into leipzig causing huge damage

[midnight heron]

wasdat?

[versed atlas]

what would a KMS fleet even look like

[midnight heron]

as usual i just used my charges so u guys can fite me

[versed atlas]

bismarck - graf zeppelin - zeppy?

i guess you could maybe use scharnhorst

[odd schooner]

@balmy torrent you won't see any until essex

[versed atlas]

imagine z-25, graf zeppelin

[odd schooner]

Or 4th/5th white shell

[versed atlas]

and 5x KMS ships

z25 flagship takes 25% less damage

graf zeppelin KMS ships take 25% less damage

Do skills that explicitly don't say "they don't stack" stack?

Eg what happens if you have Z-25 (25% less damage taken by flagship), Graf Zeppelin (5% less damage taken by KMS), Hammann (25% less damage taken by flagship)?

Can you get to like 75% less damage taken by the flag ship? Or is it multiplicative? Or does it not stack after all?

[midnight heron]

they shud stack but hamman & z25 skill is prob da same so they dont

[versed atlas]

I see

[midnight heron]

wud be pretty bs if u bring 3 flagship protection vanguards lul

anyway dis is wiki explanation

[versed atlas]

Ty

[zenith tundra]

also the dmg reduction is weird if u have 15% and 30% dmg reduction it goes like this
100-30%=70%
70-15%=59.5% dmg reduction

[midnight heron]

so its multiplicative

[zenith tundra]

yes

[midnight heron]

ic

[versed atlas]

oh

that's disappointing as hell then

stacking them is a terrible idea then

this makes GZ's skill crazy strong though

[midnight heron]

yea it is

[versed atlas]

so if bismarck is good

JP/CN gonna have fleets that are like

GZ, FDG, Bisko

and then front line is like hipper, eugen, roon

[empty sinew]

juneau, roon, ykkz

[versed atlas]

no

not worth it

[hot creek]

junuea is forever

there is no escape

[empty sinew]

3 CA sitting ducks no ty

[versed atlas]

juneau maybe

but yukikaze is probably not worth it

[empty sinew]

ykkz cuz FdG is never tanky enough

[versed atlas]

oh fuck

i misread GZ's skill

nevermind

[hot creek]

yukikaze is pretty op as well especially with junuea. no escaping her either

[versed atlas]

for some reason i read her defense skill

as dependent on the number of ironblood ships

in the fleet

[empty sinew]

that's zeppy ma dude

[versed atlas]

in that case yeah

ykkz and juneau

[empty sinew]

they've become staple stallers

[versed atlas]

what if you go

fdg - amagi - GZ

juneau - yukikaze and

i'm not sure what the last one would be

i guess on their server

the balance is different cause stuff like Warspite exists

[finite valve]

ofc roon lel

also amagi is not going to be there since bismarck and all

[versed atlas]

wait

does jintsuu skill stack with ibuki skill?

on ibuki herself

[wicked rivet]

Why wouldnt it

[modern tree]

Jintsuu does not buff CA

Would be a reason

[wicked rivet]

Oh yeah that would definitely be a factor

[versed atlas]

damit

jintsuu y u so useless

i just actually read up on ibuki's skills

and, uh, that seems pretty good for opening torpedoes

and she's supercute to boot

[vague token]

if jintsuu buffed CA she'd be busted for aggro

ibuki would annihilate all ships with evade debuff on the enemy cause 2 torps lol

[steep fog]

yea

ibuki is already great on her own

for torp meme opener

[coral wren]

is sendai kai better than aurora?

[zenith tundra]

generally no. u shouldn't use sendai over aurora. even for torp is better aurora thanks to her debuff

[vague token]

aurora is always on

including start of battle

[buoyant parrot]

I'm done for the day, 21% at 2m exp. I'm sleeping now

[wicked rivet]

sendai is good for fox backline cause of her gaurunteed skill proc @ 10 seconds in. aurora is good all the time

[zenith tundra]

ibuki cannot proc her barrage on opening torp so she not that great. still the 2 waves of torp can still deal more dmg then other torp ships can

[vague token]

at least she doesnt get CL damage boost >_>

[zenith tundra]

im only at 17% after 4hrs but also at work

[grave gale]

24% Roon

Slowing down since I'm going through morale faster than second floor can recover

[hot creek]

0% Neptune

cause I fell asleep and just woke up now

[elder crane]

At least the evasion portion of her skill does proc, I think
The one gained by dev35 skill boost

[zenith tundra]

not like its that important

at least compared to barrage

[wicked rivet]

got the rank 2 as an opponent

they're only 33 points ahead

[zenith tundra]

tbh i hate the drop

random and few

[ionic magnet]

im only getting like 4-5 monarch bps a day

[ionic magnet]

got 24 rn

[zenith tundra]

been perma using coins researches

[ionic magnet]

yea same

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

im not touching any cube comms

[shy hazel]

u call that few

i never even do coin research

[zenith tundra]

cubes don't drop limited equips so i won't run them anymore

[shy hazel]

the only rsch where cube is good

are some ul researches

[zenith tundra]

the xp in 7-2 is kind of shit for 2m

4-5% per hour

[modern tree]

I dont even know what to think about this, gotta finish belchan for roon and sl

[zenith tundra]

that's with 37 extra?

[grave gale]

Yeah

[modern tree]

converted kizuna bps

I guess might as well

[zenith tundra]

i'll pick one once i get roon too

based on bps

[shy hazel]

ill take a look at bisko first

so far

pr grind is underwhelming

[modern tree]

I am not even paying attention to what I am getting, just chaining decent researches

one day I will discover I have some good equipment to build with bps, for sure

[shy hazel]

dont have gold to chain anything

im saving for that 30k

[zenith tundra]

30k?

[shy hazel]

hull part

step 6

[zenith tundra]

isn't it 20k?

[shy hazel]

its 30 for monarch

[zenith tundra]

ok fuck that then

with izumo too

[shy hazel]

sp4 is good for xp grind

[modern tree]

how are you guys hurting for money if you managed to finish combat data 1 already

[shy hazel]

i think ill be done in 2 days

i had 0 gold before update

[zenith tundra]

i had 80k sunday after patch and now 46k

and been doing permanently gold research but 1

[modern tree]

I rised like 20k from 0 over 3 days while spamming coin researches

[ionic magnet]

im always hovering around gold cap even with buying gear skin box once a day

[elder crane]

Most of the best research projects eat gold

[modern tree]

maybe 8-4 is just really good for money or something

[ionic magnet]

is it a coincidence that im spamming 8-4 too

[zenith tundra]

yesterday i didn't farm at all saving oil

how much xp u get on vg without mvp in 11-4?

[elder crane]

research should be really eating into your gold
Unless you're using cubes instead, or are taking cheaper projects

[shy hazel]

u kno u ppl got coins cos weekly quests

it will start to go down soon

[zenith tundra]

it still random what research u get

[ionic magnet]

i havent gotten a coin research for a whole day even with refresh kek

[elder crane]

So far 50k spent on research for me, and I'm somewhat economizing gold

[zenith tundra]

for medium how much?

[elder crane]

could easily have spent twice that if I had more coin to spend

[zenith tundra]

i can't find decent research to save my life

all sr one are trash for me

[elder crane]

All the non-0.5H SRs are trash

featured slightly less trash
And one of the 0.5H SR ones is trash too

the 8k coin 3 cube one, at least according to CN
I'll probs do it anyways to check
If i ever get a 0.5H one ever, that is

[wind orbit]

😂

[elder crane]

Prepping PR for PvP, duh

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

oh maint later

poggers

[elder crane]

Yep, saving my project refresh for then to get a decent long one

[zenith tundra]

i'll keep staying in 7-2 at 700-800 xp per ship i get 91xp x oil spent

[elder crane]

I keep getting bp for the sanshikidan
it's my most numerous one from research so far

[zenith tundra]

i need oil for roon too after ibuki

[modern tree]

it doesnt matter how fast you unlock them

[zenith tundra]

doesn't matter for u

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DpIQy/88b2ab8479.png i havent even been farming 7-2 and my gold is still fine.

+10 from belchan and none of the general BP's yet

[modest elbow]

so balanced

[wicked rivet]

beautiful

[hot creek]

if only we could trade

exchange all my izuno bps for anything else lul

[ionic magnet]

i dont think he wants izumo bps

[zenith tundra]

let's switch izumo bps then i have more lol

[vague token]

o.o

[hot creek]

im not sure anyone wants them

[wicked rivet]

I will after i finish ibuki, monarch, and roon :^)

[zenith tundra]

i will to eventually

im not sure about who to do after roon/ibuki and neptune

[elder crane]

Yo wtf
6/10 and yet I get a queue with everyone below me

[lament lichen]

Dude

Im 5th

[odd schooner]

A lot dropped pvp for 2m

[lament lichen]

Yeah

[cerulean estuary]

kamita on top 1 , too much points

[hot creek]

pvp is so effortless though

[vague token]

lol

[odd schooner]

Sometimes heavy grinding lets you forget time

[shy hazel]

wow

zack is such a hipster

picking the not so mainstream prs

[charred sable]

We grind to forget the pains

[hot creek]

loli enty when

[zenith tundra]

i picked the ones that i like and would use not the ones that would just sit in the dock and collect dust

[cerulean estuary]

then tech points came along

[buoyant parrot]

I wasn't paying attention in PvP I almost lost like just my salvo is just away to hit @lament lichen Hiryuu and her Torp is like inches away... I didn't notice that I was against with the PvP harcoor pro here... that gave me a heart attack

welp not that it matters... I already dropped out of the season 1st day 😂

but gawd the merit, cannot afford to lose that at least~

[vague token]

im at 4 losses cause lol distractions

im a terrible sand bagger

xD

casual mode activate

[buoyant parrot]

this season has given me so much stress lately coz of the events... No sleep and the previous season was toxic

[vague token]

ah

[charred sable]

go semi-casual mode

you dont guarantee yourself top 10, but you still have a decent chance if you're fast on reset during the last 2 days

you also fuck up and lose attacks less cause you arent last minute using your attacks

[buoyant parrot]

you won't have a chance if you're not sandbagging

I sandbag hard last season no lose still got thrown out of top 10. I guess you need to sandbag harder... If you're on Lex/Sandy/Washington you don't even have to sandbag to reach top 10 just don't lose

[vague token]

xD

[buoyant parrot]

Avrora is Master Race

[charred sable]

Im on Avrora and I casual sandbag and can usually get top 10 if I dont miss any attacks

if I miss 3 or more though, its no chance

[elder crane]

I just cash in my pts for 100 merit AoTN fights
Ofc that kills my EoS rank, but w/e

[shy hazel]

i didnt sandbag much lst season hey

[shell heron]

Another slow season. top 10 with 5/10 matches left

[shy hazel]

top 9 1 lost

blame avengers

forgot to do round

[buoyant parrot]

doesn't explain my removal from Top 10 last season where in every Reset I get +3 to 4 out of my 5 Matches at commodore rank onwards. Definitely I never get anything lower than I should have.

Only explanation I can think of is you went very lucky at the start of the Season where you gain +35 or +38 at the beginning

Still doesn't explain the fact that again I never lost. gains bonus out of my 3/5 matches all the time.

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

1 more thing that I can think of is I found out 2 days after everyone is on commodore rank that you can gain bonus already if your point difference is at 30-35 +1

[shy hazel]

are u sure u did.t miss a reset

i tell u with my way os sandbagging im not that effecient

[buoyant parrot]

nope, you know me I'll drop soon the moment I miss one lol

[shy hazel]

right now i only get 0 or 1

my initials was so baf

bad last round

[ionic magnet]

its not 30-35 pts btw

[buoyant parrot]

mostly that I can think of is I didn't probably take advantage of the 30-35 points difference sooner than I should have

[shy hazel]

the thing is

[ionic magnet]

its atleast 35 pts for a guaranteed +1

[shy hazel]

i got 3~5 points every reset on the last 3 days

[buoyant parrot]

but still out of that me not taking advantage of it, I still get bonus 3 out of 5 matches

[shy hazel]

im testing out ny theory anyways

tht u can get shit in beginning and still gun for too

with moderate sandbagging

from mid to end

[buoyant parrot]

at the last 20mins of the season I was on top 7

then 9

last 10 mins

[shy hazel]

ye i saw u i think

[buoyant parrot]

then last 5 mins, I got thrown out lol

sad potato day indeed

[shy hazel]

this was taken at 58

i think i dropped to 10

cos vy is supposed to be here

at 59

dunno who is 48

poggers

i mean top 4

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

was devastated after seeing myself got removed 5mins before reset. So much sleepless hours T-T

[shy hazel]

u shouldnt do rounds so early lol

[buoyant parrot]

I wasn't

[shy hazel]

last 10 minutes is the time

[buoyant parrot]

and if ever I do, I just run 1 attack and gets bonus then later again

[shy hazel]

anyways i wont top 10 this season prolly

[buoyant parrot]

I'm out this season as well since day 1

[shy hazel]

i have lots of 0 every reset

no lost yet

cos im beginning to get to dislike sandbagging

Or maybe i lost once

so far behind vy

@zenith tundra

are u still competing

[shell helm]

is any better vanguard i should be look for instead of these 3 ? (HMS Fleet)

[ionic magnet]

bel sheff jun ykkz are your standard hms VGs

[shell helm]

sheff ?

[ionic magnet]

yep sheffield

[shell helm]

will sheff jun ykkz (yukikaze ?) works (no bel this times)

[ionic magnet]

yes should work just fine (but dont get your hopes up with hms)

[shell helm]

aye will try to build one up as soon as they're ready

[shy hazel]

hms

[ionic magnet]

monarch should help hms a bit but shes still a long way to go

[shell helm]

mostly i lose to CV dive bombing my vanguard so

i hate to avoiding all these

[ionic magnet]

yea fox comps are still the most abundant

[blazing scroll]

I am trying out Portland instead of the Belfast in the standard Bel, Jun, Jkk VG

When you get the number 1 in your list but the difference is only 26 points

[modern tree]

@midnight heron I am going to give you benefit of the doubt and simply ask you to take off Akagi chan fron your defense, please : )

[ionic magnet]

[midnight heron]

😮 isnt it fixed yet

was just making akagi + kaga memes

[lament lichen]

just rename akagi chan to akagi ez

[midnight heron]

well anyway i force-fed her some miracle food and shes adult now

[modern tree]

I didn't have time to check if my game will crash if I don't sink her first. Trello card is not tagged as fixed so I will assume she's still a rascal

[hot creek]

thankfully, all the akagi chans ive run into were all underleved so they imploded before 20 sec

[shy hazel]

[cerulean estuary]

[midnight heron]

😮 maint

[shy hazel]

will akagi chan even do something

i can only see it as meme

[midnight heron]

https://www.myinstants.com/instant/its-just-a-prank-stop-ahh/

[hot creek]

there's a bug with her that will crash your game, so if you set her on defense it becomes unbeatable.

[lament lichen]

oh yes

its time

[vague token]

honestly forgot about patch

[shy hazel]

poggers

no one in pvp got a mod position

[odd schooner]

Isn't syanda mod

[shy hazel]

i mean those ppl who applied

in the last audition

[lime rivet]

All failed.

[shy hazel]

well most people here got a history with the law

me too

[real notch]

relatable

[shy hazel]

we know we pvp ppl are blood curdling when pvp is bugged

gotta complain

[vague token]

xD

[hot creek]

dang I should have applied

[hybrid tendon]

Disgusting filthy namaryuu user found

Alas, its all mudamudamudamudamudamuda

[true trellis]

Boring Nakaga user found

[buoyant parrot]

[steep fog]

using nakaga

[meager dawn]

I use nakaga since I don't have amagi

[charred sable]

Tfw r1 shows up on your attack list but won't even give you +11

[true trellis]

or just let your exercises get to 10/10

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel just lost another 4 attempts because i didn't hear my alarm and didn't wake up before maint. also lost 4hr of research and all night commissions because of that

[blazing scroll]

I forgot we had maintenance so lost a couple hours of research

[zenith tundra]

i had it end 30mins before maint and then gonna do a long one over but didn't wake up

[blazing scroll]

At least sleep is nice too

[zenith tundra]

not if u wake 20mins after maint started and get

[blazing scroll]

I know the feeling, but you gotta look at it from the bright side

[buoyant parrot]

is the Kizuna AI CHip still working?

[zenith tundra]

this is the only good thing

[buoyant parrot]

im not rotating in Diamond for some reason

[zenith tundra]

on kizuna?

[buoyant parrot]

oh wait no... on Mogami LOL!

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[buoyant parrot]

no wonder

😂

[zenith tundra]

it never worked for other char for me

[blazing scroll]

Yeah, it's Kizuna only

[buoyant parrot]

yup supposedly Kizuna

[shy hazel]

hey zack

i tagged u

u shouldve maxed your discord ping volume

[zenith tundra]

i don't think that would've worked since i didn't hear the alarm

[shy hazel]

rip

[zenith tundra]

i'm more salty about my night commissions... i had 2 oil ones

[wicked rivet]

I fell asleep an hour before my research finished and didnt wake up till after maint

[magic star]

sitting on 4/10 exercises, and game giving me opponents with lower rating, even after 5 refreshes wtf

[wicked rivet]

What rank are you?

[steep fog]

guys does hiryuu use tank badge or tank cata

[wicked rivet]

Badge for survivability, cata for more damage

[shy hazel]

both

not even joking

[steep fog]

does tank badge do better in the mirror

[magic star]

was around 20, hour ago, now i dropped to 34, so as my left opponent to 54 lel @wicked rivet

[shy hazel]

tank adds suicide damage

indirectly

cos less of your planes go boom before it hits opponent

[steep fog]

thats not my question though...

im asking whether badge over cata is better in the mirror

cos thats the only thing I lose to

[shy hazel]

what badge are you talking about anyways

beaver badge or oil tank

theres no tank badge

[steep fog]

tank+ badge

....

[shy hazel]

oh there

just go catapult and oil tank

and use a full support front

jun bel nanoda

you probably will never lose

until your nagato and amagi doesnt proc anything in 4 consecutive times

[elder crane]

Yeah, barrage RNG is more the issue, probably
Imo badge better than cata, and then place Amagi on Hiryuu and damage race on Hiryuus
That and badge on any other main is a worse trade, %damage-for-%eHP-wise

[steep fog]

so double sg on the other 2?

[shy hazel]

if u have hsfcr

use one

if not then 2 sg

oh youre making louis first

it feels kinda weird

alot of pvp hardcores here

but no one said theyre making louis first from the usual ppl

but then louis is said to be the replacement of belfast

[steep fog]

even if u grind louis 1st

shes still unusable

[shy hazel]

ik what ppl say

not 120

but realistically speaking

grinding 350 bps for max dev

should net u about

2 gold

er

steering wheel

still viable as of now

[steep fog]

350 bps should take like 3months

unless u luccsacc with research

[shy hazel]

you can shorten it to 2 months

if u somehow always has

resources

upcoming bismarck should also have some kind of rewards system

[elder crane]

No point in making Louis first, in terms of getting the ship
Order of first few doesn't really matter
BP-wise, I do plan on dumping into Louis

[shy hazel]

im just going my old planned way

monarch then whomever

[elder crane]

Plus based on the CN analysis I read, Louis over Sheff/Bel in Namayuu is mostly meant to improve the winrate vs a team we don't have (Nagato, Dragon retros, Aurora) (also I think Namayuu Aurora as well, but based on what I read on that team it probably doesn't work for us)
Though apparently it doesn't hurt the mirror matchups

[buoyant parrot]

I want to work on louis but I want to remove BB Kaga on my main fleet hence I started working on Monarch 1st.

[steep fog]

I have enough BB already

still grind monarch after sanrui though

[elder crane]

Apparently I've been really unlucky with the project, or the CN data needs updating
The 4 H purple G project (6k coin), I average 2.125 ship bps over 8 runs now
CN doc says their data gives 3.25 average

[shy hazel]

i dont even read guides much rn

no gold

no choice but to pick free

and be happy with being left behind

[steep fog]

I want to spend gold but all I get is trash research

[shy hazel]

i still need that

30k for monarch

yet my shop this time was so good

im back to 0 gold

[leaden sequoia]

when the shop decides to be good at the same time when you need gold for something else

[buoyant parrot]

pick up myself some 7k Gems and served for Coins... That should keep that research occupied for couple of weeks

[steep fog]

I lost 4 game this season all to hiryuu mirror

cos didnt pay attention

[shy hazel]

u generally reset

if your hiryuu procs early

[elder crane]

Though a super early Hiryuu proc can be good if you snipe their Nagato with it

Not reliable though ofc

[shy hazel]

imo its too dangerous in a mirror

when your enemy hiryuu survives far longer

[elder crane]

It's not something you go for, for sure, but works out in your favor occasionally
I've had the reverse happen to me a few times as well, where their Nagato gets Barrage procs and not mine (If my Nagato gets procs off, their HP is low enough that it doesn't matter anymore), I proc their Hiryuu early, TBs focus in on Nagato instead of vanguard, my Nagato gets blown up before she contributes much, and I eventually lose the 2 vs 2.5 by getting outtraded.
Super rare ofc, but it happens

[shy hazel]

decent namaryuus appearing now

im starting to reset some fights tbh

when i feel its too risky

[ionic magnet]

what gun does monarch use btw

381 since she has good barrage?

[steep fog]

yea

[ionic magnet]

i should prolly buy a 3rd 381 then

[wicked rivet]

yes

[shy hazel]

u dont need to buy

u may get enuf bps as u go

building prs

[hybrid tendon]

buy it

dont listen to him

[buoyant parrot]

dew it

its not the shikikan way...

[shy hazel]

[white granite]

is nagato+amagi+akagi or nagakaga better rn?

[elder crane]

I see most recommending Akagi rather than Kaga
Not entirely sure why, probably for the better bombing potential

[steep fog]

why not just run hiryuu

[leaden sequoia]

probably because bombs work on both vg and backline

[steep fog]

[leaden sequoia]

while torpbombers are really only efficient on backline

whether it's wide kamikaze cuda or snipe ryuusei

[wicked rivet]

if ur gonna run a single carrier, use hiryuu

[elder crane]

It's a team for faster matches, and more importantly, for those who don't have Hiryuu

Enterprise is also a potential sub-in

[steep fog]

how do u not have hiryuu

its a w3 drop

[wicked rivet]

^

and even if u dont it takes less than a day to farm

[empty sinew]

y'all are underestimating the power of rng

[modern tree]

having bote does not equal 110 bote

[wicked rivet]

true

[versed atlas]

hey

is pvp barrage damage representative of the same barrages in pve?

That is if Nagato's barrage does twice as much damage to ships than Amagi's, then would that also translate to PvE?

Basically I'm asking if PvE or PvP has any kind of special rules surrounding barrage.

[wicked rivet]

barrages themselves have special rules

but for pvp vs pve, the only differences in barrage damage should be the normal differences that pvp has regarding damage

[modern tree]

backline ships deald 20% less damage sharp so naturally the barrages will be weaker than they are in pve

but for Nagato buffed Amagi barrage it hardly means shit, 400 FP BC, lol

[wicked rivet]

when nagato barrage procs

[elder crane]

And also excluding CVL, who have -10% instead

[vague token]

eg lol centaur tier

[modern tree]

tbh its only 10% more damage on double fighter

[vague token]

i thought she had a torp bomber slot

140 efficiency torp bomber slot

o.O

[modern tree]

she does but so do other carriers on top of other planes

[elder crane]

Well 90% vs 80% is actually 12.5% more damage

[vague token]

not with her stat spread though lol

and +3 torp bomber

xD

[elder crane]

Also she has 2/2/4 loadout

4 TBs, which is more than most CVs

[vague token]

the only CV with 4 TB is ark royal and well

_>

yeah

[elder crane]

Parity with skk, and ofc 6 TB on ark

[vague token]

oh skk

always forget

[elder crane]

Her slots are F/F/TB, thats what I mean by 2/2/4

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Different efficiencies on the two fighter slots, by a bit

[vague token]

70 evade at 120

lol

[elder crane]

Yeah, I didn't think that formatting through

[vague token]

the only "bad" stat centaur has

compared to similar ships

is her AA is way lower

skk has 349 at 120, ark has 307 at 120, centaur is 268

yet despite being a cvl she has more hp and more aviation

xD

and 50% reload over ark

such sillyness

yeah ark royal skill is aim torps

for w/e reason

ree

just like sara

[elder crane]

And only 2 of them too

[vague token]

older ship vs newer power creep

rip

[elder crane]

On the other hand, she slows on launch, which is better timing
But doesn't get the fleet buff ofc

[vague token]

i mean i imagine fighter/fighter/barracuda is easier to build around though

[elder crane]

And also that almost useless DB slot

[vague token]

since it lasts 8 seconds you'll at least hit the majority of 406 users

pretty sparingly

[elder crane]

6s for centaur, and she has delay since she needs to hit torps first

[vague token]

i meant the stat boost

xD

[elder crane]

Oh, that's perfectly fine

[vague token]

yeah

[elder crane]

Covers perfectly for 406 non-HFCR 1st launch
406 and 381 2nd launch

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

sr researches definitely worth imo. at least ch specifi ones

[wicked rivet]

Doing a 12 hour free one and im ready to get shit

[zenith tundra]

i did a 6hrz free one and got 2 bps

[modern tree]

I just got a bonus Roon to my Monarch research so the bonuses are rng, fyi

[wicked rivet]

Yeah they are

[zenith tundra]

the one i liked a while ago

this

8k it was

got lucky with that

also need to do pvp

[modern tree]

all the coin researches are worth more than any other research in terms of ship BP drops

unless you have cubes to blow on gold ones

[zenith tundra]

the cubes ones dont have limited bps which i dont like

[modern tree]

also, I am still spamming coin researches and making money so it shouldnnt be a concern

[hot creek]

same, ive no idea how people are running out gold

must be buying AI skins

[lament lichen]

you cant really run out unless you're building 3 ships a day for somereason

and that

[hot creek]

lol im also building three ships a day

still havent got a single loli

[lament lichen]

im still missing hiei but its w/e for me

[coral wren]

tfw 40 points out of 1st place

If I hadn't dropped five battles this season I'd currently be in first. RIP.

[wicked rivet]

tfw also 40 points off first place but has 5 exercises left

wait the reset was 15 mins ago

now I have 10

[coral wren]

Congrats on first place then.

[wicked rivet]

nah there are people with more than me

but we dont come out of hiding until gensui

[elder crane]

Some don't come out until after literally the last reset, to get the highest End of Season rank
Others don't care about EoS rank for one reason or another

[coral wren]

Temporary NUMBAH WAN is still NUMBAH WAN

[wicked rivet]

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Dq5nb/d67101457d.png

https://puu.sh/Dq5nk/b338a7f21e.png

[elder crane]

Oh lol I'm at the exact same place as you

[modern tree]

must be a bad season for you, you are not even a full charge ahead of me

[hot creek]

it is indeed a not so great season

cintiq is 4 points ahead of me

and i woke up late today

so couldnt really get much out of sandbagging/matinenance

[coral wren]

My fleet is doing very well, but goddamn Namagiryuu.

[elder crane]

wait nvm

[coral wren]

NUMBAH TWO

[elder crane]

fing misclick

I got no. 1 later that season I think

It's funny how close it looks, between our two servers

Also got bored waiting for maint yesterday
I estimate I could do significantly higher score with about 3 hours more, but ain't nobody got time for that, to keep resetting for that good RNG

[coral wren]

RIP rankings

[wicked rivet]

the highest one on my list is only 31 ahead

[elder crane]

The worst tease is when you get someone +34
and then they don't move for hours

And you near the next reset, and wonder just how close you should cut it to try to get them to do 1 battle first

[modern tree]

or you know all the people on your list by name and know that this is all their charges and you should just reroll