pvp

[charred sable]

@balmy torrent there's a motto I live by in all games I play that have PvP

"You gotta look good when you PvP"

[real notch]

god damn

[charred sable]

Nothing beats the feel of dancing over your dead opponent's body in an MMO and the PM you get isn't a rage one but "ohhh, nice outfit, which one is it?"

[real notch]

i have 3 fakkyus

but i need 1 more

for my amagi

[charred sable]

The FAKKYU shells are only for backline. Why would you need more than 3?

[real notch]

oh

plane skins drop fakkyu bombs too

yea it's pretty great

[finite valve]

i need at least 3 more mini fighter

[charred sable]

Fighter and Dive Bomber, but not the Torpedo Bomber. That one shoots the Kizuna Ai dildos and made me switch my entire frontline to use the same torpedo skin

[finite valve]

the mini fighter is so fucking hard to farm

[real notch]

ye that seems right

some mini fighters drop other words tho

just check the preview

[real notch]

btw i think for BiS you'd want oil tank + badge, in case u were wondering

[finite valve]

i prefer badge on nagato

nagato is too paper as she is

need eva stack in mid

[charred sable]

I like my Hiryuu surviving longer

Especially for mirror matches

So I get the last

[real notch]

yea i was a nagato badge follower but

blue gave an idea so i'm just testing it out

badge hiryuu

so far works quite well

if you stack 2x SG on nagato, she only loses around 15 EVA relative to SG + badge

but gets +30 HIT

which is great for her shells and barrage

[charred sable]

Yup, the hit is important too

Whereas Hiryuu doesn't have an alternative for evasion

[real notch]

yea

[charred sable]

Nagato will get the first PR radar though

[real notch]

though if you pick catapult over oil tank, you lose a LOT of DPS from boosted touchdown

that's why i think the BiS should be badge + oil tank

[empty sinew]

just use the rwg but it sucks lmao

[charred sable]

Oh, the catapult choice is for style, not best in slot xD

[real notch]

ooh, ok that's what i was thinking

yea that's cool np

[empty sinew]

imagine rwg + oil tank

off-meta setup

[charred sable]

That said, the purple SB2C already ruins it :(

[real notch]

yea

or u can just join BTD gang

[charred sable]

Honestly tempted to swap out Yukkikaze's toolbox for the Kizuna Ai headband just to make her look shinier xD

[empty sinew]

+2 luck

[real notch]

lmao

why do u think

i put intelligence chip

instead of boiler

[empty sinew]

just do weeklies

[finite valve]

lv 4 is around what 1.4 or 1.5k?

since 3 is already 1.2

then i can get lvl 5 ez lel

[charred sable]

Ohhh, using the headband pushes my vanguard to 13k... Done!

[zenith tundra]

the chip is worth it headband is not really over toolbox

unless u use 2 on 1 ship

[empty sinew]

ocd says no to ykkz only having 98 luck instead of getting a flat 100

[finite valve]

@balmy torrent uhm how do you got lvl 4 1.2k?
mine is lvl 3 1.2k already?

[empty sinew]

[zenith tundra]

u need to upgrade each level

[finite valve]

by your logic shouldn't mine going to be at lvl 3 1.2k?

[random vault]

900 shows the cost of lv3

[charred sable]

Worth 8k coin?

[finite valve]

so lvl 0 is what ppl call lvl 1 here?

strange lel

[zenith tundra]

i would do that but i go for ibuki or roon 1st

[empty sinew]

that's ibuki

[charred sable]

I just saw the double guaranteed equipment

[zenith tundra]

but 1 is non limited equip

[empty sinew]

if it was me, that's so worth cuz i have a ton of coins just sitting around

[ionic magnet]

@finite valve lv 1 is 300; lv 2 is 600; lv 3 is 900; lv 4 is 1200; lv 5 is 1500

[charred sable]

@zenith tundra wait, who do you put the chip on?

[ionic magnet]

you'll see when you finish upgrading

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze lol

u can change any boiler to chip

for extra fleet power

[finite valve]

@ionic magnet well you ppl call lvl 0 (which is what it's shown in the game) as lvl 1 so yeh.....

[zenith tundra]

mle name is bugged

[ionic magnet]

@finite valve no. lv 0 is lv 0

the 900 you see is the required cost to upgrade to lv 3

[zenith tundra]

@balmy torrent https://trello.com/c/y7KxQKvq/655-triple-203mm-prototype-mle-1934-is-incorrectly-named

Trello

Triple 203mm Prototype (Mle 1934) is incorrectly named

Description: I pressed on the design for more details
Perceived Severity: The text is in English with glaring mistakes, but is mostly understandable
Corrected Translation: Triple 203mm Prototype (Mle 1934)
Discord Feedback ID: 545

Upvotes: 2
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it's mle but with aa name

🚮 translation

[charred sable]

Mirror team with almost exact same power scores. That +2 luck won the fight

[real notch]

sooo who's getting PR wheel first

[zenith tundra]

not like u can choose

[charred sable]

Game will probably give me the AA gun first

[real notch]

lol

i got a bonus for STAAG

i wonder how u get bonuses

is it just RNG

[charred sable]

like the rest of PR

I herd you like RNG

[zenith tundra]

that's not the staag aa gun

[real notch]

yea but that's not my screenshot

[shy hazel]

my al broke lol

have to redownload

so dumb

[real notch]

Make sure you dont lose your account

[shy hazel]

my account is linked to all 3

its so easy to lose it if i get hacked

[zenith tundra]

imagine all 3 using same email and losing that email

[empty sinew]

[zenith tundra]

i meant fb and twitter accounts using same email as yostar bind and not being able to login in any account

[shy hazel]

now what to do about my comms and research

im still not home and i don wanna use data

to dl 1.3gb

[finite valve]

you can give me your acc bro

[zenith tundra]

just download it already... research more important then some data

[shy hazel]

that stupid 5.9mb broke my game

[zenith tundra]

there is no announcement of what that even was

just a random patch

[empty sinew]

these random patches never have announcements

[shy hazel]

i guess it broke tester app

@balmy torrent did yours break

[finite valve]

glad i am not a tester lel

with the whole shit about tester gem being deducted when buying in the test version

so fucking stupid

if they going to charge tester the gem then why give them gem in the first place?

so fucking dumb

[shy hazel]

it was a bug in the test version

they just fixed the bug

we'll testers are there to well

to test bugs

[finite valve]

and ppl still going to be charged regardless it being a bug or not

so yeh....

[shy hazel]

mm no one is complaining about that in tester exclusive channel

dont think that matters

[finite valve]

does not change the fact that it is stupid

[shy hazel]

i guess ill take out my purchasing phone

ihave two phones

one slow that has my credit card details

and my new phone for games

but my old phone is shit

heh

just gon do comms and research i guess

no play

well its prolly on my side

[abstract cypress]

ur phone prob very bad

[shy hazel]

hey my phone is brand new

i bought it just to play al

[finite valve]

can't do anything about corrupt data

[zenith tundra]

brand new bad phone

[abstract cypress]

toss it, buy the new one

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

what brand is that anyway apple?

[abstract cypress]

brand new ||from junk store||

[shy hazel]

and i just had the purchase bug awhile ago

i had to email to claim

nope i havent bought iphone for 5 years

[abstract cypress]

iphone is scam

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

and yet ppl still gone out of their way to buy a new iphone every years

ppl are dumb

[shy hazel]

well have no choice but to re dl

and here i was planning to 80% monarch at first research rn

[steep fog]

so when sanrui is done its gonna replace belfast?

or no

[finite valve]

well if you maxing sanrui first then yes

[abstract cypress]

u cant replace belfast, NO ONE CAN!

[zenith tundra]

belfast 🚮

[abstract cypress]

you 🚮

[zenith tundra]

she's not even objectively needed

u can just use sheffield rn

[shy hazel]

belfast is so 2017

[abstract cypress]

"I" need her

meta sheep just back off

[shy hazel]

shoo hipster goat

[buoyant parrot]

lol

[wicked rivet]

Whomst is sanrui?

[shy hazel]

saint louis

[wicked rivet]

[shy hazel]

sainto ruisu

sanrui

its like

giving a nickname to your female dog

[shy hazel]

just arrived home time to dl

[shy hazel]

told u u can go straight to 2nd step

id i rush 100% in day 1

i prolly wont have anything to do

until that 2nd combat simulation is opened

or i just let oil accumulate

i just do it mypace

dont feel like

doing anything unless i get exp for research

while grinding

i dont think unlocking all 6 will take so much time

but the dev part

heh

i have way too many medals

that i always look at exchange

constantly at 900 due to grind

got purin went 800

after grind went back 900

lol

sp4 has lots of medals too

i dont but purple bps

i only got for yea

t2 ships

food

books

im not so fond of leveling ships

so i have tons

i even exchanged some last core shop

lol

[leaden sequoia]

it's 1.6k per SR

[shy hazel]

i dont think you need to rush it though

[vagrant veldt]

Neptune with Yukikaze gets pretty brain washing

[zenith tundra]

u can actually do both xp and researches at the same time

at least the 2m xp doesnt look as bad now

[modern tree]

You probably have to finish quests with the same name before the next one starts

[zenith tundra]

thst would make sense

[modern tree]

Or at the very least I would expect that. Otherwise there's actually no reason for them to be split like that if you could just wait and complete both at once

[empty sinew]

so we gotta wait for 2mil quest to unlock before our next stage of grinding huh

that sucks

[zenith tundra]

3 days for 2m xp doesnt sound so bad tbh

[empty sinew]

just wanna do it now

[zenith tundra]

way better then having to split time in between xp and researches

[elder crane]

Yeah, missions with different reqs can be done concurrently on a ship

[finite valve]

pvp try hard that would split 2 mil exp farm into 3 days instead of finishing it in 1 day?
what are you a pleb?

[elder crane]

Nah, just a lazy fuck who knows that prints are the main limiting factor anyways

[leaden sequoia]

killing her first should be an ok workaround for the time being

I mean, killing her before vg

[zenith tundra]

ok new stall meta. akagi chan

[modern tree]

Time to find a bug with hiei and get 3/3 new ships broken.

If her fire protection skill being weird as fuck isn't a bug already

[zenith tundra]

what if everyone had akagi chan in def with 1 lvl 1 vg?

[modern tree]

Oh no

[zenith tundra]

1 ship lvl 1 in vg

impossible to not kill vg

[modern tree]

HMS is back on the menu, boys

[random vault]

lmfao

akagichan meta

fucking hell

[modern tree]

Tbh, with Amagi, killing the little bugger might be hard if she's leveled. Her stats are quite high

[zenith tundra]

i wish i leveled up my akagi chan now. shes better at stalling then hiryuu

[empty sinew]

namakagi-chan new stall meta

walls you off the game

[zenith tundra]

and mid position should make it hard even for hms to kill her fast enough

[random vault]

we've been doing the wrong wall strat all this while

why wall damage when u can wall the gameplay

[modern tree]

I do hope none of you will do it. If you accidentally popularize it, you will have to deal with this shit yourselves

[random vault]

well for starters i need to roll her first

[modern tree]

Until they fix it I suppose, but still

[random vault]

but not interested, i usually put lv110 unequipped stuff for pvp exp

[zenith tundra]

lvl 1 doesnt work i guess

[random vault]

lv1 akagichan dies too fast

she needs to survive

[empty sinew]

there's a few days til 2mil grind tho

and this new wall strat is tempting af

[zenith tundra]

2 days left to stack oil

[empty sinew]

there'll be like a random 3.0 mb patch with no warnings again

[zenith tundra]

idc about warnings but at least to tell u what they are fixing would be nice

[modern tree]

I do hope that despite this being pvp only, they will take it moderately seriously. It takes one reddit post to ruin it for everyone

[empty sinew]

i just hope no lurkers that are here with a level'd up akagi-chan will try it

[zenith tundra]

do u have a link to trello pls. discord app is

[modern tree]

Latest post in known bugs

[zenith tundra]

i didnt know that and dicord links open browser to dicord instead of going there in app

is sussex just a ship added to perma poll?

[random vault]

might come with abercrombie

monitor trio

[elder crane]

Abercrombie still has the weird firing position issue btw
Apparently it's not a bug

So what happens is that the location from which barrage and shots spawn matches up with visual model

[modern tree]

her gun is on her head, it makes sense

[elder crane]

Since Abercrombie lifts, her shots and Barrage start higher

Which means barrage is slightly offset, and she's more shit than usual at hitting suicide boats

[zenith tundra]

doesn't roon also shoot from like a higher up position then normal?

i saw a video of her using mle and it seemed kinda of weird the way she shoot

[zenith tundra]

+1 this reset too...

[elder crane]

+2 total for me, nice
Though I just realized I queued up namayuu mirror with 2 mins left... wish me luck

Well I won at least

[wicked rivet]

ncie

[elder crane]

Y'know, I just had a showerthought
I think it's extremely likely (no calcs done yet) that it's better to buy largest gem pack, then cubes, then use in research, than it is to buy the PR bp daily pack
And, that's the way you P2W to speed up getting PRs

[split socket]

whales probably do both

[modern tree]

it's 1 random bp for 5 bucks

[hot creek]

if only i had akagi chan

or any of the freaking lolis

[modern tree]

I used to have 200 cubes but now I have all the -chans

[coral wren]

The daily bag counts as a Tech box

btw

the z23 skin quest was completed when I bought a bag and opened it

[hot creek]

10 cube comm gave me this 🚮

[modern tree]

big heh

[wicked rivet]

gimme those ibuki prints

[modern tree]

I keep getting 8h money comms and I just cant turn them down because they are convenient when I am working, those dont have fucking alrets

[elder crane]

The 10 cube comm is the worst cube comms

value and time-reward wise

the .5h ones are really good usually

the shorter comms give better value and timed rewards too

which means the longer gold-rarity comms are actually kinda trashy if you're actively playing in the meantime

[finite valve]

problem is the gold not the time

farming for both gear skin + PR going to kill me

[elder crane]

oh, you're buying gear skins? 🇫

[finite valve]

better then those ppl at 100 or 200k+ gold

[modern tree]

I did math yesterday based on the average payout and 8h gold comm turned out to be most efficent one, no matter if I cared for equipment BPs or not

especially if its competing with trash that eats my cubes or doesnt even give ship bps

[elder crane]

mmmm, not what I'm seeing
The shorter comms are better

[hot creek]

i saw a neptune SR comm for 8 hours earlier. i didn't choose it cause i wanted to finish the 5 comms today, now im regretting not choosing it....

[elder crane]

It's strictly worse than the 2.5 H Blue D comm on per-time and per-coin value, for example

[modern tree]

I mean, it probably would be better if you could guarantee you are getting something good on the reroll, but I never did

[elder crane]

oh you meant of the ones offered, not in general
My bad

[modern tree]

if you go strictly by efficency, then its 2.5h blue D, then 4h purple G, then 8h gold D

[elder crane]

yeah, it's decent overall, and good if you're going to sleep/working/etc

[modern tree]

all in all, if you have trash to choose from, then dumping 8h is fine

[elder crane]

Well, time-eff ignoring cube ones on ship-bp-heavy weighting

[modern tree]

the only cube one you should ever consider its the one that takes 0.5h

cuz pain is over quicker

[elder crane]

it also happens to be the best value on cubes and time

[modern tree]

and also it has insane payout per time invested

the money and cubes one

real good, everything else, rather whatever

[elder crane]

the 3-cube 1H one is closeish on cube eff, pretty good time eff, and doesn't eat coin

the rest are just progressively worse with increasing rarity

[finite valve]

tbh you can just don't do research if you are starve on res

out of all the PR only monarch who might appear in meta

[elder crane]

there's a lot of free-ish ones too
less good, but free

[finite valve]

as dps

[modern tree]

Roon is easily the best CA in the game atm

[finite valve]

pvp =/= pve

[elder crane]

Louis is the superior PvP CA still

[finite valve]

as a meat stick?
sure

[modern tree]

Louis is still easily the best pvp VG ship discounting Juneau

[finite valve]

as waifu material?
heck no

[modern tree]

Good thing I have 23 Izumo prints, gotta make sure I get the best things first

[finite valve]

i got 14 roon and 14 sanrui

[modern tree]

your faith is being tested

[finite valve]

and i was focusing on getting sanrui first

[elder crane]

Oh nice, now I get all the coin shop discounts on gold boxes

that too

[wicked rivet]

buy them A L L

[finite valve]

not like you even have the gold to upgrade shit lel

[elder crane]

I'm rationing out my gold nicely, I think

[finite valve]

10 more days till this nightmare is over

[elder crane]

Well, more like months for PR1 to start winding down
And then PR2 comes in

Current estimates are, what, a year to max Azuma/FdG?

[finite valve]

should be

or till most ppl already done with PR 1 shit

[elder crane]

iirc estimates are you'd have well over 1k of the gold PR2 bps per ship before getting enough rainbow PR bps

or was it 1k excess, reading google translated forum posts hurts my brain

[wicked rivet]

someone rushed to rank 2 and gave me +1 sweet

[zenith tundra]

whatever

all rush at the beginning and no one moves forever after

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

F just lost to amakaga with sheffield

[vague token]

rip

[zenith tundra]

im throwing her out of my fleet forewer

[vague token]

forewer!

[modern tree]

h-how

[zenith tundra]

shes useless pretty much

[vague token]

i mean, average reduction is 15%

so

[modern tree]

Your loss I suppose

[vague token]

id ring sheffield but gotta wait for next ring pack

[modern tree]

I have never rised a boat this fast, not even Nagato

[vague token]

lol

and her gun skill is like what

somewhere around 10% average damage

it isnt terrible

she's the rng maid to belfast's 100% activation rates

xD

[modern tree]

Also, can't imagine losing to Amakaga, usually my VG getting rekt is how I win faster. Get their VG on my face, kill them, 2 clean Hiryuu airstrikes straight into foxes, bam bam, win

[real notch]

damn

how did you lose to amakaga

[vague token]

oof

[real notch]

must have been extreme bad luck

[modern tree]

Sheff's skill is average 12% damage increase last I mathed

[vague token]

oh little lower?

[modern tree]

might be 12.5%, dont remember the exact number

[vague token]

i just do .3 * .5 + .7 cause lazy

close enough

[modern tree]

Her barrage is a fucking bomb tho

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

sheffield is quite strong tho

in my tests against blue

probably equal or better than belfast

if it's non-fox enemies

[vague token]

she's a bit worse on foxes but better on the rest

hard to beat 35% evade rate and 35% dr

lol

[modern tree]

Hiryuu can solo foxes, you dont need help for that

[vague token]

oh today is destroyer day in academy

sub xp time

[real notch]

oh thx for reminder

[modern tree]

I legit had games where first strike wipes my VG, second wipes my backline after they kill their VG, BUT THEN 15 seconds, invuln, 2 strikes, oh I won, not even close baby

[real notch]

alright so i was just backreading chat when u guys were talking about PR comms

so TL;DR best comms are the short ones?

[vague token]

it looked like that from the table i saw

[modern tree]

gold D-UL 0.5h cube+coin
blue D 2.5 coins
purple G 4h coins
gold D 8h coins
honorable mention:
gold H-UL 0.5 cube (D-UL is over twice as good)

this is basically what you should be prioritising if you want the ships ASAP

[vague token]

kinda wish the UI was better

it's annoying to compare them

you just see rewards

and you gotta tap each one

unless you memorize them

[modern tree]

I look at the letters and colours

[vague token]

X_x

[modern tree]

then just double check the investment

[vague token]

i mean yeah

i COULD memorize their labels

but i dont wanna

[midnight heron]

u guys can fite me cuz i just used most of my charges

dis sandbag nonsense is getting annoying when no one moves

[vague token]

welcome to events never stop

the farm never ends

theoretical biscuit event coming up too

gg pvp

[zenith tundra]

@real notch if u can explain me why this lost to an amakaga i'll agree with sheffield being DECENT

[vague token]

no pearl nani?

you're missing 10% health lol

[zenith tundra]

it's on my defense belfast

[vague token]

rip

true hero with the belgun on amagi

xD

[real notch]

omg

you split offense/defense fleets?

[zenith tundra]

i lost because of 5% less dmg reduction

[real notch]

yooOoOOOo that's not minmaxing at all

le gasp

[vague token]

maybe you got rng torped

[zenith tundra]

i was trying out sheffield

[vague token]

[real notch]

yea what probably happened is

[vagrant veldt]

there was a test on CN concluding that attacking fleet will see their fleet power increase but no stats added in PVP
and the enemy defending fleet will have the stats from your fleet tech added in PVP

[real notch]

you got RNG torped by a torp VG

[vague token]

im sorry what

[real notch]

then amakaga oneshotted your nagtao

[vague token]

oh god that's terrifying

[real notch]

wtf @vagrant veldt ? are u sure

[vague token]

whelp better farm up my fleet tech

[real notch]

that's crazy

[vague token]

specifically the hms ones

+6 evade on amagi

[real notch]

can i see the test

[vagrant veldt]

tested by comparing Amagi's damage to calculations and switching attacking and defending fleets around

https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv2630673

[zenith tundra]

i lost to this

[real notch]

knew it, it was a torp VG

[zenith tundra]

so what torp means i should lose because i use a subpar ship?

[vague token]

wait

IT USES YOURS?

holy

[modern tree]

dont use belgun if you are not using belfast because your vg will fucking die and then you wont be able to kill their vg, and then you will get torped in the face and die

[vague token]

google translate is telling me that defense fleet

uses YOUR fleet tech

[zenith tundra]

cool

[vague token]

so the more YOU level your tech

the harder the fights are

PANIC

[modern tree]

that sounds like good coding

[midnight heron]

time to quit pvp then

[zenith tundra]

i lost my last vg 10 secs after my namagi died

[vague token]

clearly you leveled ijn too much

so their torps

were stronger than you

[real notch]

the fuck LOLOOL

is this a troll

that's nuts

[midnight heron]

lvling fleet tech be like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4F4qzPbcFiA

[vague token]

guess they got tired of everyone saying attacker buff too strong

kek

[modern tree]

why say the bonuses dont apply to pvp if they do

[real notch]

i just realized in chinese, fakkyu is written 花Q

that's amazing

[vague token]

because they dont for you

;)

[real notch]

alright so this discovery is... fucked?

[zenith tundra]

time for akagi chan

i don't give a shit is a bug

[real notch]

i think pretty much everyone who opened fleet tech in the last 2 days has leveled it up

[zenith tundra]

time for everyone to lose

[vague token]

defense amagi gonna be a nightmare

with +6 evade base

from your own tech

or was it 5

[real notch]

Gg boys

[vague token]

xD

+2 accuracy for eagle levels

up to 10

[real notch]

i got level 3 buff for all wasd fleets

[vague token]

the fleet buffs are global

[vague token]

hms is the most dangerous one to level atm i guess?

[versed atlas]

so fleet tech fucks us over?

goddamn

[vague token]

based on google translate sensei, yes

[hot creek]

wow someone with a worse collection than me

[real notch]

why HMS

[versed atlas]

rank 169

with 6 battles still left

what the fuck

[charred sable]

Avrora is a good server

[vague token]

hms gives BCs +6 evade

[versed atlas]

how do you do that

[real notch]

wdym

[vague token]

err 5

[real notch]

what's your collection kiroshima

[versed atlas]

like what does your sanbagging look like

[vague token]

3/2/3/1

[charred sable]

Normal sandbagging lol

[real notch]

haahahhaha

[versed atlas]

where you just wait?

no special strats?

[real notch]

am i supposed to be proud

[vague token]

special strats?

lol

[real notch]

of my shitty collection

[vague token]

im at like 85% collection ok

im a casual

[charred sable]

I check like half an hour after each reset

And half an hour before

That's it lol

[versed atlas]

damn

[real notch]

bro i'm at 80%

[versed atlas]

i wish i was in a better timezone

maybe i would miss fewer fights

[real notch]

i don't go for collection AT ALL

[charred sable]

I have phone alarms set

[vague token]

wow

[versed atlas]

but man, 4 am reset time and 10 am reset time are brutal

[zenith tundra]

pvp is 🚮 don't bother with it

[charred sable]

And almost always make sure to be at 5/10 attacks

[real notch]

that's blasphemy zack

take that back

[zenith tundra]

it's true tho

[versed atlas]

the game does need better pvp

aye

[real notch]

yea i know, deep down we all agreee

[vague token]

we all know that

[charred sable]

PvP in this game is a joke

[vague token]

no bully

[charred sable]

But doesn't stop us from tryharding anyway

[real notch]

but hey, devs are sick of you calling it a joke

[vague token]

it's actually not THAT terrible of a core

[real notch]

so they are gimping all the collectors

[vague token]

the game could have neat pvp

[real notch]

by making PVP harder

KEK

[vague token]

it really could

[versed atlas]

the fighting is fine

[vague token]

the mechanics are there

[versed atlas]

the problem is the sandbagging and the reset times

[charred sable]

And I'm sick of the devs calling it PvP

[zenith tundra]

game bugged and buffs enemies.
no one actually plays it.
u waste a lot of money for non existent gains

[vague token]

we just need elo

xD

and gem reward

[real notch]

seriously

[versed atlas]

no, no gem rewards

[vague token]

Elo removes sand bagging

[real notch]

anyone who's a PVE player and just goes for collection

[versed atlas]

if people can cheat in this game like they did with that event score

[real notch]

will have a disadvantage in PVP

[charred sable]

There's issues not only with the ranking system but also the console system

[versed atlas]

they're bound to do the same with pvp

[vague token]

i mean, havent they been pretty good

with killing cheaters

[versed atlas]

hahaha what

no

there's no way

[vague token]

preventing no, but they always catch people

xD

[versed atlas]

every game always gets rid of the most obvious cheaters

the rest they simply cannot tell

[zenith tundra]

all dmg calculation are client based so u can only cheat to guarantee a victory not gonna change the actual ranking system or other players

[vague token]

then at least a merit store update

how about that

[versed atlas]

sure

[modern tree]

you can't cheat in pvp because even if you have instant win button, you wont be making any score with that

[versed atlas]

a merit store update would be fine

daxam, we're talking about reworked pvp

[modern tree]

ha ha ha ha

okay go on

[zenith tundra]

who need that

[versed atlas]

you, you need that

[zenith tundra]

pvp is fine the way it is

🚮

better then a more 🚮 elo system

[vague token]

kek

[zenith tundra]

@vagrant veldt was that bug reported already?

[versed atlas]

man, i had to reset a pvp match today

it annoyed me

[modern tree]

Stages of pvp depression:

1. resets are cheating
2. fuck sandbagging who does that
3. pvp needs a rework
4. why isnt my list moving
5. I slept on some charges, whaddup

[real notch]

LMAO

[zenith tundra]

6. pvp is 🚮 time to focus on collection % is easier

[vague token]

6. your own collection buffs defenders why

7. back to 3

[versed atlas]

is that intentional?

[vague token]

the circle of liiiiiiifeeee

[hot creek]

8. Deploy akagi-chan

[real notch]

i've always been lowkey 3.

[versed atlas]

the first time i found out about pvp resets

[real notch]

but i just want to punish all the guys who say "PVP is easy, just reset and you get your merits"

then when 120 rolls around

[versed atlas]

i had played the game for over a month

my first reaction was

"this is bullshit, i'm done with the game"

[zenith tundra]

better if u didn't find out tbh

[real notch]

i hope that culls all the bad fleets so even guys like that have to focus a bit on making strong fleets

[versed atlas]

but then friends convinced me to continue playing

[zenith tundra]

it's more fun to play a pseudo legit pvp in ur own island

[vague token]

xD

[versed atlas]

except i had trouble getting into top 3000

well, i didnt have level 100 ships either though

so i lost regularly

[real notch]

yea

are you washington server?

[versed atlas]

avrora

i started late on avrora

[real notch]

oh god lol why did you do that to yourself

[versed atlas]

cause all the friends were on avrora

i didn't know what server select did

[vague token]

wow

[versed atlas]

i even asked

but they're pve elitists

[vague token]

o.O

[versed atlas]

i'm joking

[vague token]

[versed atlas]

but one does get mad at me for me talking about pvp

[zenith tundra]

it was a good choice for pvp till isss that made everyone quit pvp

[real notch]

lol

if they get mad then they're just elitists

[versed atlas]

i started at the tail end of the washington event

[real notch]

[versed atlas]

like last few days

but now pvp is ez

i'm actually running enterprise in pvp

[shell heron]

Finally someone moves and he's rank 1 atm, but still only gives +1

[vague token]

im pretty sure current rank 1 would only give me +1

[real notch]

ya ent is great

[versed atlas]

nagato - amagi - enterprise - juneau - jintsuu - yukikaze

[elder crane]

Yeah, had same situation yesterday
10/10 matches, rank 1 was only ~65 pts ahead of me

[versed atlas]

when akagi-chan gets 100+ i'll try her out as a replacement for enterprise

[real notch]

aite good luck soldier

[elder crane]

use her now, crash people's games

[vague token]

do it now

accept the evil

[versed atlas]

wait, she crashes games?

wut

[vague token]

oh boi

[elder crane]

when no vanguard and akagichan tries to shield, game crashes, or so I hear

[versed atlas]

lol

[vague token]

that's called null pointer error

in the programming world

[zenith tundra]

everyone should use akagi chan to crash opponent game and make them stop playing pvp even more

[real notch]

definitely intended

dw

[versed atlas]

so akagi-chan + jintsuu - ayanami - yukikaze

so frontline dies quickly

[hot creek]

I don't have akagi chan or any of the lolis

[elder crane]

Do full main, set low lv vans

[vague token]

just use all the backline defense buffs

[elder crane]

full main so akagichan makes it to the shield

[vague token]

so maximize them living

[zenith tundra]

out of cubes? @hot creek

[real notch]

i'm missing zeppy

and 2 aichan SSRs

[elder crane]

low lv vans to live long enough to fodder but not long enough to live to her strike

[versed atlas]

me too

[vague token]

i got 3 zeppys total

and that's it

[hot creek]

no I did like 30 constructions at start and have just been doing daily 3. don't wanna burn any more gold

[elder crane]

I've all the limited ships this time around

[versed atlas]

well, ayanami without any hp boosts

[real notch]

NeverLucky

[versed atlas]

dies immediately

[real notch]

this is why i don't have a high collection

[versed atlas]

she basically fires her torps once and dies

[vague token]

just run like

[elder crane]

only took me, what, 300 cubes?

probably not quite that many

[vague token]

jintsuu/sendai/aurora and double oxy on all of them

obviously

[hot creek]

i havent even bothered rolling for AI

[zenith tundra]

i spent 240 for both lolis and kizuna

[elder crane]

on the bright side, 4/5 subs now

[zenith tundra]

0/0 sr subs for me

they don't exist

[real notch]

i have 1 SSR sub

[elder crane]

just missing dace, and w/e on her mostly

[versed atlas]

i have two subs

[real notch]

i think i got the highest DPS sub

[versed atlas]

dace and the i-something

[elder crane]

got my IJN subs, that's all I wanted

[real notch]

the big tiddy one

[shell heron]

used 120 cubes for lolis and only got dace while I was at it.

1 dace

[zenith tundra]

i got more dace since i had 1 already

[vague token]

at least zeppy is a great solo backliner

[versed atlas]

subs in pvp when

[vague token]

taste my wrath

xD

[zenith tundra]

with pvp rework

[real notch]

that'd be hilarious

imagine farming 200 affection on subs for PVP

[vague token]

1 sub slot for pvp wouldnt be that bad

[zenith tundra]

also cats in pvp too

[vague token]

even if you dont run any ASW, they run out of oxy anyways

[real notch]

it's been a month and my starter sub is still 55 aff

[modern tree]

I am more ready for subs in pvp than all of you

[vague token]

probably

[versed atlas]

mine's 95ish

i used 10h on her for a while

[zenith tundra]

if ur subs are higher then lvl 60 yes

[elder crane]

I'm keeping them lb0 until I get affection

[zenith tundra]

too much oil wasted to use them in pve

[vague token]

eh, they arent that much oil

[versed atlas]

wanting affection from dace

l-lewd

[elder crane]

affection from I-19 mostly

[zenith tundra]

3 subs is like 0.5 more battle

[elder crane]

and the other IJN kemono sub

[versed atlas]

stop lying

we know you're after that albacore

[real notch]

the fuk

lol

[vague token]

dear god

[modern tree]

git gud

[shell heron]

Too much time wasted using them in PvE. watching that animation

[elder crane]

inb4 he shows they're oathed

and 200 affection

[vague token]

see, this is why i suggested they add subs to autobattle

i got a trello card on there

[real notch]

200 affection is literally impossible KEK

you have to grinddd that shit

[elder crane]

I might try to get 200 aff with lb0 grinding

[vague token]

i dont mind grinding, but no autobattle is oof

[elder crane]

I don't really want to spend that much oil

on the other hand, idk if I care to 200 affection them

[real notch]

it's just 3%

honestly it's not a bad spot to put oxytorps

[zenith tundra]

6 weeks of hard farm ahead to unlock pr ships. definitely not gonna bother with subs now

[vague token]

wow the oxy xD

[elder crane]

Maybe just I-19, cause she's cute

[modern tree]

I dont think its worth it tho

[versed atlas]

i have two +10 oxys

greatest waste of parts i have ever done

i used them for like a day

[vague token]

we need the gold torps

or w/e

[real notch]

lul

yea gold torps

[vague token]

so we can use budget

[real notch]

i'm like 6/15 for 4 types of gold torps

lol

never lucky

[modern tree]

I have 3 +10 oxy, using them only for my subs

what a meme item

[zenith tundra]

i use them in pve when i want vg mvp

[versed atlas]

do you think the ship girls could give a good shoulder massage

[vague token]

i think one of them mentions it

actually

[real notch]

oh nvm

9/15 for gold torps

[vague token]

i meant gold aux gear

but yeah gold sub torps

[real notch]

the thing i have with subs is they're so RNG

their spawn location is so important and u can't control it

[zenith tundra]

u need batteries for range

but having anything good in core data in en is impossible outside of the 381

[vague token]

they havent cycled core data since it started xD

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't cycle they just add stuff

[grave gale]

they added cognition chips

[vague token]

oh, i thought it was random eventually

[real notch]

i hope they put something good but

then again it's EN

so

[zenith tundra]

maybe next month when 381 goes out

[modern tree]

good thing chips are in core exchange

[zenith tundra]

they have to add something in its place

[real notch]

i got quite a few chips too

[zenith tundra]

i'm saving for 120

7688 now

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

i just didn't awaken any ships

in quite a while

[versed atlas]

how many chips do we need

[zenith tundra]

iirc for namaryuu with yuki juneau (sr) is 8k

[versed atlas]

dang

i guess i dont have enough chips yet after all

[zenith tundra]

swimming is chips is a lie

[grave gale]

It's 1600 per SR. Less for the lower rarities

[real notch]

yo btw @modern tree , for the below

gold D-UL 0.5h cube+coin
blue D 2.5 coins
purple G 4h coins
gold D 8h coins
honorable mention:
gold H-UL 0.5 cube (D-UL is over twice as good)

what about the 1HR blue comm for cubes?

that's pretty fast too

[zenith tundra]

tbh as much as rarity doesn't mean good mostly of the great ships are sr

[modern tree]

imho, if you cant hit any of the above, you take one that finishes the fastest without wasting your cubes to reroll

[zenith tundra]

i think that has no equip bps right @real notch?

[modern tree]

at least that's what I am planning

I will tell you in 4 months how that has been working out

[elder crane]

I-19 is one that gives shoulder massages

[zenith tundra]

i'm trying to run free stuff if i can

[elder crane]

the 3 cube 1H one is pretty good if you don't really need cubes, yep

[zenith tundra]

but usually have to spend gold no matter what

[real notch]

alright

yea i wanna do it quicker

[vague token]

i coulda sworn there were other ones

[real notch]

i just went for that one

[vague token]

like i think javelin offers a massage

xD

[elder crane]

the 5 cube 0.5 H one is also good for that
the others, only if you really don't need cubes, and still questionable imo

[vague token]

wiki isnt loading for me atm

ree

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't really run any of the cubes ones, they all don't give equip bps

[elder crane]

yeah, cube ones are for rushing ships

[zenith tundra]

i managed 11 roon bps so far but low equip because of 2 cube ones

[half iron]

got someone who's +34 of me... time to test that theory

[modern tree]

enjoy your 10

[half iron]

tis what I get when rank 1 only is +34 of me

[real notch]

we already tested that theory btw

[vague token]

ow getting murdered by torp squad

not even aurora debuffed

must be fun forcing main fleet vs main fleet

xD

sara doesnt work well in fast fights

she needs loooong fights for dots to pile up damage

[modern tree]

In my experience, if you can ever kill vg, then sara airstrike just kills everything

so it can be a really fast fight if you can break through fast

[vague token]

na it's this jintsuu/aya/kawakaze murdering my vanguard under 16

im winning after that cause they die to guns

but it's annoying

cause sometimes they'll get a crit out before dying to main

then it's 50/50

like super gamble time

[modern tree]

I played Sara in both wasd and Namagi, I have some experience with it

[vague token]

also it's namagi shoukaku

xD

that 2nd torp on shoukaku buff hurts

[modern tree]

Skk was a legit consideration of mine for the longest time, but its really hard to resign from Hiryuu proccing, then just counting to 8 then game ending in a win

every time

[vague token]

lol yeah it'd be easy to swap hiryuu in and just not care

since she's the biggest counter to frontloaded damage anyways

haha invuln

xD

also had a few times where juneau instant dies lol

it's really weird how many torps they're hitting with no aurora debuff

that nagato and tech buff doing work

xD

what an annoying team of win fast lose fast lol

and sometimes they crumble without doing anything lol

rng bois

w/e imma take my +1 now lol

[zenith tundra]

finished 1m for ibuki and still 7.5k oil left. maybe it won't be so bad overall

[real notch]

y'all gotta chiilllllLlLlll

[vague token]

or maybe you're too slow jk

[real notch]

[elder crane]

@vague token tech buffs don't apply in PvP btw

[zenith tundra]

they do but for enemies

[real notch]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

and it applies ur own tech

[real notch]

the defending fleet gets the offense fleet's tech bonus

[elder crane]

....I haven't heard of this?
A EN-specific bug, or something?

[vague token]

according to the CN thing uh

that was linked

[real notch]

it's not EN specific but you can check this article

[vague token]

when i google translate

[real notch]

https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv2630673

[vague token]

it says YOUR buffs apply on their fleet

[elder crane]

Lol
looks like it's not intended to, so probably another bug like Belfast smoke

[vague token]

there's no way that's intended

it is however, hilarious

qc and pvp mechanics

[elder crane]

Well, glad tech buff for us is small without lv 120

and it's pretty small overall regardless I think

[vague token]

well, the BC evade buff is annoying, goes up to like +5

or 6

the rest are marginal

although reload can be annoying

depends on what the base stats of the ship are

hiryuu gets more out of aviation boosts since her base is lower than akaga

kinda thing

[elder crane]

with how minimal reload scaling is and the small amount TP gives, I doubt it's that much of an issue except in some rare cases

[vague token]

oh and the accuracy on bc/bb/bbv

it's mostly since they're all flat, some ships might get more than others

since things diminish

a cv with under 100 reload really likes 7 reload from eagle i bet

[elder crane]

Without 120, I look at the page and

[vague token]

or like the firepower boost on destroyers

for ironblood

everyone under 100 gets basically a huge relative boost

[elder crane]

Yeah, I don't think it'll be an issue for us

[vague token]

depends on if they ignore it ;)

[elder crane]

Well, they'll probably fix before lv120 comes, hopefully

[vague token]

now that i look at the table there arent a lot of destroyers with over 100 fp lol

+4 for the under 100 group goes a long way

[elder crane]

Well, offensive stats scale with stat+100 so it's still not much of an impact

Not like any of the under 100 FP do much gun damage

[vague token]

yet there are so many MGM+1 destroyers with barely any fp and efficiency reee

ijn why

oh i got rank 6 yayo

must've blown 10 matches or something lol

owo, sara actually hit a shot from each salvo on the same target

a miracle!

3/6 gun hits!

[elder crane]

Hmm, CN progression to the "optimal" Namayuu vanguard seems interesting
I wonder how much of it is applicable to us

Supposedly Aurora Namayuu is better in the mirror on offense than Sheff or Belfast, which is surprising

And that is what led Louis to be included

[vague token]

did CN even know how sheffield worked back then what with the wonky translation lol

[elder crane]

https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv1887144
Was reading on some of the old articles from the guy that was linked above on tech buff

Looks like they did, he discusses the sheff/Louis combo not needing to modify Sheff HP, which Sheff/Neptune does

[vague token]

ah ok

wait sheffield doesnt overtake louis hp though

although sheffield neptune sounds like cancer

xD

[safe meteor]

any other ship that runs the Belfast gun?

this event gives so many spare Belfast guns

[vague token]

just slap it on all your pve backliners

xD

[safe meteor]

is that optimal use

?

[vague token]

i think it works fine outside of the suicide konga line stage

[finite valve]

so what 3 slot they using?

jesus?

[elder crane]

Yep, usually X/Juneau/Ykkz
or Juneau/X/Ykkz
this is 120 though, I'm pretty sure the second positioning doesn't work on EN

Also was some experimentation without Juneau

I suppose what they meant was that Sheff can't cover louis anyways
If you run +1000 on Sheff and/or (slightly, or a lot) gimp Neptune's equip, you can get Sheff to cover Neptune

I also have not seen a direct confirmation that Aurora doesn't use a different 2 ships

reading google translated stuff is hard~(ish)

Somewhat similar role, yep
No main fleet protection, but super hard to kill and some pretty good damage output too

Fits HMS vanguard nicely since HMS really wants vanguard to win fight, not just stall out

[finite valve]

imo sheff is only good vs non bust comp

vs bust comp like foxes atm not going to work due to how high the dps is

might be good against 2+ BB comp but certainly not vs foxes

[wicked rivet]

nobody is moving

[shell heron]

same for my list but I'll take a +1 this reset over +0

If you have me on your list. I did my 5 just now

[elder crane]

For offense it's fine, still crushes foxes
For def, probably not

For offense, it does win more vs Bel in the mirror, consistent with the CN article

dunno how good on def though

Aurora, might not work, with us at 110 being squishier and various other stat/equip diffs

It was already noted there in the CN article that it didn't work well on defense even in the mirror

Yo, the heck
Just had a vanguard fight come down to 1v1 Juneau vs Ykkz
idk how that happened

[ionic magnet]

got walled by famine just now

i got used to all these fake namaryuus

[zenith tundra]

is there any difference in between fleet power u see before entering battle and the one in battle or the one in battle is just copied from the other?

[elder crane]

Fleet powers are messed up right now cause TP

It displays the fleet power as if TP buffs apply

[ionic magnet]

yea i got flat 13k fp in vg rn cos of that

[elder crane]

Which apparently according to CN, you don't get, but the opposing fleet gets your TP buffs

[ionic magnet]

how did they even know that

[elder crane]

and since we are all likely at different TP, means its hard for us to compare/check fleet power right now

On CN TP is much larger, so someone noticed that the damage seemed off

then did some calcs/comparisons, showed that enemy fleet got TP buff

https://www.bilibili.com/read/cv2630673 in case you forget how to scroll up

[ionic magnet]

that deserves a bug report then

[zenith tundra]

i asked something completely different tbh

[finite valve]

problem is how you going to prove it?

[ionic magnet]

or is it one of those bugs that devs decided to ignore

[finite valve]

it is not a bug unless proven

[elder crane]

I'm actually not sure what you meant Zack?

[ionic magnet]

i know but cant devs take a look precisely because we cant decisively prove it?

[elder crane]

Well, the numbers sorta prove it
At least before/after comparisons clearly show a difference