pvp

[zenith tundra]

each nation has different buff tho

[coral wren]

should I just keep upgrading if I have points for it?

[zenith tundra]

not really tbh

ofc u should

[coral wren]

cooll coo

idk why my kms and hms isso low

[zenith tundra]

my kms is low because almost none of my kms are mlb

[split socket]

lack of collection or mlb pretty much

[coral wren]

1200/ 877/1138/714 KMS at bottom with 714 lol

[zenith tundra]

556 kms for me

all others over 1k

i don't think u can reach much more then 1.5k rn

[coral wren]

time to lvl up fletchers

[split socket]

1270/1038/1258/648 for me atm

[zenith tundra]

1 bonus being missed all together from lvl 120

[split socket]

got plenty ships ready for mlb but I'm waiting for them to hit lvl 89

[zenith tundra]

my uss is really high considering i don't use uss ships that much

even with that lvl 6 on ijn hms and uss doesn't seem easy to reach

1.8k pts needed

[modern tree]

Actually, wouldnt Roon shields deploying right away be able to block a chunk of Amagi barrage?

[leaden sequoia]

as a common trend, the "heavier" and the higher rarity the ship is, the more it contributes tech points

[zenith tundra]

i think she would LOL

they do last 15 secs

[split socket]

ouff

[modern tree]

she would even be able to cartch a bit of Nagato I think

but maybe it forms too slow

[zenith tundra]

no nagato imo

her barrage is delayed quite a bit from 1st mg shoot

[split socket]

what times does nagato fire ? 381, with and without hcfr

[zenith tundra]

13.04s

now depends on how much it takes to shoot her barrage

[vagrant veldt]

it right

17ish base reload

15 at 120

[coral wren]

how much better is Saint LOuis for pvp fleet? :l

[zenith tundra]

16.22 base without her own buff

[coral wren]

compared to belfast or Sheffield?

[split socket]

guess more reasons to not put hcfr on nagato

if ppl start running roon that is

[vagrant veldt]

doubt it would matter

roon doesnt have engine boost

410 will just burn over 1k per tick

[zenith tundra]

nagato reload with her buff is 174 max oath she fires at 15.34 base

max roon won't be a thing till at least 1.5months from now

maybe a bit less with the extra bps we have

but still nowhere near

plus ca still need lvl 120

we don't have 120 tho. that's the point

[split socket]

btw luck buff for PR1, are they stacking additively or just highest phase?

[zenith tundra]

total 15 and they stack

[split socket]

[zenith tundra]

amagi ijn buff in sp black is so nice u can actually fight any nodes. too bad u need 4 ships

gg

quints have the advantage of having higher chance to hit something overall so i like them in pvp

[split socket]

got nep and izumo

[zenith tundra]

roon izumo

[midnight heron]

u definitely did ur work juneau

[zenith tundra]

i won't use my universal bps till i choose the ship i want tbh

even if i'm unlocking ibuki 1st

i want to get rid of my purin collection

[zenith tundra]

does 7-2 boss have jihads?

[shy hazel]

little bit

youll prefer to avoid scout ships

the jihads hurt more

[zenith tundra]

belgun doing horrible job on jihads on my zeppy

[shy hazel]

zeppy fp still is broken right

lol

[zenith tundra]

on barrage

[shy hazel]

genetally cant rely on that shit

cant kill any bombers

sadly

[zenith tundra]

he fp buff works just not on barrage

and 2 cl 1 ca suck at killing jihads too

[shy hazel]

anyways

just casual grinding took mr to 20%

for 1m lol

i might as well be finished with 1m tom

guess monarch wont be tht hard

[zenith tundra]

for backlines is easy

compared to vg

[shy hazel]

anyways if me at ur list

u lucky

[zenith tundra]

just flagship bonus is a big difference

[shy hazel]

ima rush 4 runs now

and slee

p

[zenith tundra]

plan b

[shy hazel]

btw

nvr cancel your research

i canceled a free one

then iy disappear forever

it doesnt work like normal comms

[zenith tundra]

with tbtsk she can kill 1 jihad by herself

[shy hazel]

better

[zenith tundra]

so much better

[split socket]

are these worth doing?

[shy hazel]

10 cubes nope

only 3 cubes iirc

[zenith tundra]

this a google translation of some cn tl fpr researches
T0
Emergency: armored analysis (small 0.5h)
T1
Recognition-oriented research (small 2.5h), cost donation (medium 4h), cost donation (small 1.5h), data collection (medium 4h / 5h 11 ?)
T2
Recognition-oriented research (large 8h), recognition-oriented research (medium 5h), cost donation (small 2.5h), data collection (medium 4h 7 to 10)
T3
Basic research (medium 6h), basic research (large 12h), basic research (large 8h), analysis (small 1h / 2h), sample procurement (small 2h 15 waste), analysis (medium 4h)
T4
Data collection (medium size 4h 3-6), sample procurement (small 2h 8 waste), research consignment, research consignment
Tx
Emergency: recognition-oriented research (small 0.5h), emergency: personality complementation (small 0.5h), cube structure analysis (small 1h), cube structure analysis (small 2h), cube structure analysis (medium 4h)

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/x6chPK5.png

[shy hazel]

fk me my first 2 hr

is roon

[zenith tundra]

i don't mind roon bps

[shy hazel]

thisll take awhile

[zenith tundra]

but izumo

[shy hazel]

i can just go uturn

if bisko is op

[zenith tundra]

as long as u don't use universal u are free to change tbh

[split socket]

btw, are the blueprints random whether u receive it or not? I just did one and got 0 bp

[zenith tundra]

47 actually total

[shy hazel]

tip of the iceberg

[split socket]

unless I picked the wrong research by mistake (pretty sure I didn't but meh)

[shy hazel]

? one is random

unless theres a ic of the ship

u cant get universal from comm

[zenith tundra]

not all researches have same bps chance

[shy hazel]

anyways i sleep so night

[zenith tundra]

good night

[split socket]

I see now why this'll take forever to max them out

[zenith tundra]

yes

unless u are lucky and find the researches u need for ur girl is gonna be a while

this should work

[split socket]

I want to max everyone so yea

maybe not izumo tho

[zenith tundra]

barely took any damage my zeppy

i think i'll max roon 1st if i find more bps for her

if not ibuki it is

12% on xp for ibuki

[zenith tundra]

17.6k (with all medium) xp for 150 oil if i get extra 1 ammo in 7-2 for ibuki

lucky u

i can cut oil cost down by 1 if i use abumakuma lol

gotta get another 1 for lb0

[coral wren]

Zack u still got the website to the CN Tierlist for researches?

[zenith tundra]

i don't have the website it was posted in help

[coral wren]

ok ty

I want chinese version

from thhe orignal xD

[zenith tundra]

T0
緊急：艤装解析(小型 0.5h)
T1
認識指向研究(小型 2.5h)、費用寄付(中型 4h)、費用寄付(小型 1.5h)、データ収集(中型 4h/5h 11图)
T2
認識指向研究(大型 8h)、認識指向研究(中型 5h)、費用寄付(小型 2.5h)、データ収集(中型 4h 7~10图)
T3
基礎研究(中型 6h)、基礎研究(大型 12h)、基礎研究(大型 8h)、艤装解析(小型 1h/2h)、サンプル調達(小型 2h 15つ廃棄する)、艤装解析(中型 4h)
T4
データ収集(中型 4h 3~6图)、サンプル調達(小型 2h 8つ廃棄する)、研究委託、研究委託
Tx
緊急：認識指向研究(小型 0.5h)、緊急：人格補完(小型 0.5h)、キューブ構造解析(小型 1h)、キューブ構造解析(小型 2h)、キューブ構造解析(中型 4h)

this is original

[coral wren]

ty fk its japanese

xD

hmm. I will try

[zenith tundra]

oh yeah i could read something out of it

didn't even pay attention to that

[high phoenix]

its like 50% chinese in thr, or more

[zenith tundra]

what are chances that is enough for a +1. i would say maybe 40%

[coral wren]

yes but its all traditonal chinese and I can only read simplified and a little tradtional xD

[zenith tundra]

it was a +1

no jihads in w8 in main fleets

that's so nice

[vague token]

it amuses me that luck is on the ui but hit is not still

[half iron]

5/10 and my only way to get +1 ...

is rank 1-4

[zenith tundra]

hopefully one day we'll see them all

speed missing too

[elder crane]

And also ykkz is listed as 93 luck
Missing +5 from her skill, or so I hear apparently?

It ain't AL unless they hide something

[modern tree]

Its weird we are getting UI changes when they are reworking UI

[zenith tundra]

if it was already implemented in cn/jp then is 1 year old ui

[vague token]

o.O

[elder crane]

Oh, also use the table
http://img.nga.178.com/attachments/mon_201805/03/foQ5-5wzdKa.zip?filename=��������.zip
from this
http://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=13994846

to guide selection for research projects

it's from the ppl who made that earlier table linked, but further refined to be personalized since they realize not everyone is in the same situation resource-wise

this one allows you to say, "but I have no gold" or "but I have tons of cubes" or "but I need equip bps only (or ship bps only)" and it'll adjust the rankings of which projects you should do

And it also has data on what each project gives, ship and equip bp-wise, if you want to know about that too

[wicked rivet]

wtf

which one is that from

[elder crane]

#trophy-room

[zenith tundra]

it was one that require gold

[elder crane]

It's also rng how much each gives, to some degree

[zenith tundra]

iirc a medium grant donation

[elder crane]

The best ones almost all eat gold
and some of "best" ones eat cubes too
"best" since they kinda aren't good if you're not drowning in cubes

[wicked rivet]

okay then imma throw some cubes at research then

[elder crane]

somewhat counter-intuitively, the ones that eat less cubes are better according to that CN forum data

[zenith tundra]

i only picked gold ones so far

[elder crane]

Going by rarity isn't too bad
Rarity in projects is about a good of a indicator as rarity on ships

It uses formulae options not available for drive sadly

[zenith tundra]

any en version can't read anything cn

[elder crane]

1 sec, I'll link you guys one with some transcribes numbers

[wicked rivet]

just use google translate

[elder crane]

but not the formulae

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y1pzAqbpHCRWRwL6A0v-f-8yI8lE_HDoWfTXKVmU7DU/edit?usp=sharing

dammit title typo

[zenith tundra]

ship is bps?

[elder crane]

yep
all numbers from CN forum data
haven't been able to find original data though

so take all these numbers with a grain of salt

The equip blueprint numbers, idk if it only counts pr-only ones, all gold ones, or maybe even includes non-gold ones (last option, unlikely I think?)

[zenith tundra]

imo pr only considering i got a lot of them but not all pr limited

[buoyant parrot]

I want to color code the shits... But I can't...

[elder crane]

just fork the sheet smh

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[zenith tundra]

i think that mine was a G purple

[elder crane]

I also have a suspicion there's updated data somewhere
given the post was last updated a year ago

no idea where to look for it though, haven't encountered anything so far

[hot creek]

got an extra bonus BP from one that was only supposed to give out one BP.

[wicked rivet]

[elder crane]

... all the bp numbers are RNG, yknow?
The listed number is not the exact number

[buoyant parrot]

[wicked rivet]

especially if its 4 hours long and only gives a retro BP

fuck that shit

[buoyant parrot]

I don't know... I wanted the BP more than anything specially if its specific

[hot creek]

i volunteer to research cube comms.

[elder crane]

none of the equipbp ones are specific
a few guarantee a particular shipbp

[buoyant parrot]

yeah was reffering to ship

[elder crane]

also the cube ones aren't bad, they're just not super amazing and therefore likely not worth unless overflowing in cubes
which some people are
the whole resource invested requirements is why the CN people dropped their tierlist and went with the spreadsheet instead, since each person has different resource situation

[vague token]

i mean if you spend the low cubes it doesnt sound that bad

just dont do the high cube ones?

[zenith tundra]

3 cubes means u don't get any that day from missions

[vague token]

pray to commission gods xD

[zenith tundra]

money is much easier to come by

u can just farm it with xp in 7-2

and outside of builds/retros is not that useful

[vague token]

fakkyu shells arent gonna buy themselves

jk

[modern tree]

10 days till event ends, not a single fakkyou shell

[buoyant parrot]

I'm about to lose my nut... need 2 more Fakkyu

[wicked rivet]

[lament lichen]

still cant get a mini ai torp bomber

[half iron]

holy moly research sure is good huh

[vague token]

o.o

[half iron]

it's the wrong CA gun sadly

AP one 😢

I paid 5k coins and 20 purple torp parts for that one

incredible payout

[modern tree]

I keep getting ones that are decent but take forever, and have wrong bps

at least I am not in any danger of getting the exp with my oil

[versed atlas]

How did you get so much stuff from research?

[grave gale]

I did 5 cube 30m one earlier, for the hell of it. This is what I got from it.

[half iron]

@versed atlas the Gold rarity ones give shittons of stuff usually

[modern tree]

I guess you can just incidentally RNG a Reppu or Ryuusei, neat

[half iron]

I am three BPs away from another reppuu (never finished grinding up another in the zuikaku event)

give me the reppuus, research

[coral wren]

holy shit it goes up to 9

does this affect pvp too?

[dusk bridge]

@half iron what research mission did you do for that one?

[coral wren]

US jsut keeps getting Anti air and hit rate

lmfao fking op

[lament lichen]

that doesnt affect pvp only for pve

[coral wren]

thats great news. no need to fully lvl all damn s hips xD

[half iron]

@dusk bridge

[dusk bridge]

[elder crane]

Damn, that's one of the best ones

[half iron]

was pretty happy when I saw it

I already had the excel sheet downloaded that

especially the torp plate part

[safe meteor]

so how far is xp grind now?

For PR ship

[odd schooner]

I got an excuse for getting Neptune

[half iron]

35% grinding

I may have ignored HMS until now so it's a bit of a struggle

[zenith tundra]

39% ibuki

[modern tree]

42% Monarch

[elder crane]

only 13% Monarch here
Though I've been busy til the past hour or so

[finite valve]

all these trash waifu

[half iron]

I mean, Roon is the correct choice

but I want neptune for pvp

[finite valve]

well not like i can say anything since my roon is at 0 % since have to work

lel

[vague token]

god is on my side, all of you are heretics for not picking saint louis

HERETICS

[half iron]

I would pick louie but my portland is carrying in pvp

so I don't wanna replace her until we get lv120

[finite valve]

chirstain women = can't have sex = cock block?

sure bruh

[modern tree]

I have 0 Monarch BPS still so

[half iron]

grind them in the kizuna event

I'm leveling HMS CL/CA while doing SP4

11 generic BPs left out of the 30 ...

[vague token]

getting phoenix, helena, wichita to 110 at 8-4

[finite valve]

also what lvl are your tech tree?

[vague token]

for manjuu points

[finite valve]

mine is around lvl 3 if i have any gold to upgrade them

except german

[half iron]

I think my sakura and uss is lv3 now?

[zenith tundra]

u didn't get the monarch bp from manjuu?

[vague token]

o.o

ah

1:3 for me

xD

[zenith tundra]

1:3 24 oil is not that bad

[vague token]

zeppy is my main fleet

lol

good, join the hipster crew

too bad aim torps dont work on defense

xD

[finite valve]

not using lex, the superior sister

kill yourself

[wicked rivet]

yikes

and also saratoga >>> lexy

[vague token]

ill try lex when her retro comes out

although it probably wont be flood/burn

she'd probably get a supportive skill im guessing

since she's the inspiring idol

compared to the prankster sara

[half iron]

gets a skill that makes saratoga's prankster planes heal instead

[vague token]

kek

so like

why does monarch's barrage slow

isnt it like hood's?

[half iron]

hood a gangsta

but monarch be royal

[vague token]

i mean like it's an arcing barrage so it never hits the enemies you want to slow

xD

same with dork

"shoot farthest enemy and slow them" who doesnt move

[elder crane]

It's an area barrage, so it actually hits unlike Dork, in PvE that is
Slow portion in PvP is meaningless as always

[vague token]

=/

like, i would want a slow on a barrage like wash's

where it's about suppressing a wide area

[elder crane]

Does wash's pellets even hit vanguard in PvP, I forget

cause iirc it's pretty short-ranged

[vague token]

it's wide though and enemy is closer to your main

[finite valve]

if you put her in mid yeh sure

but who tf put wash in mid?

[vague token]

so it's more likely there

or maybe we could get an angled barrage

[elder crane]

Hmm, so maybe decently often on offense
And probably rarely on defense before own vanguard dies

[vague token]

for once

instead of all the middle priority barrages

[elder crane]

Slow on a big-7 type barrage would be interesting

[finite valve]

in neither off or def you would want to put wash mid

that place belong to SD

[elder crane]

Oh, ofc not mid, my question was if it even reached van since it's a pretty short-range barrage

[finite valve]

yeh it reach VG

only her last 2 shot reach back line tho

[elder crane]

Georgia in PR2 has a targeted barrage iirc, without the "farthest enemy" bs

Well, specifically a targeted portion to her barrage

[finite valve]

just mean that she can miss ain't it?

[half iron]

freddie in PR2 tho...

[elder crane]

depends on if it tries to target van in PvP
if it does, then since its SHS BBAP

[half iron]

holy shit freddie is just so bonkers

[vague token]

at least shs does more to light than AP

lol

[finite valve]

more then not AI will always prioritize VG on first shot

[elder crane]

Still not exactly ideal
We're talking about Gerogia targeted portion of barrage

[vague token]

60% still workable depending on its base value at least

that's like 33% more than base ap

[elder crane]

But afaik it also lands slowly-ish

so it probs doesn't even hit vanguard reliably should it target van

[vague token]

that's what centaur torps are for

the goddess of setup

lets just take a cvl

give her 5-6k hp

400 aviation

slowing cuda skill

seems legit

oh and she buffs the backline

xD

[odd schooner]

Well she is a new ship back then

[half iron]

I wonder who to run in backline for 1:3 for HMS

I have like all the obvious choices at 110

[vague token]

139

double fighter

so

yeah

gotta go fast

(at 100)

160 at 120

[elder crane]

her reload time with normal planes is just under 20 s iirc

reload stat scaling

[vague token]

well, it still does more for planes than for dd guns and stuff

[elder crane]

Like 30 more reload! for minimally faster load time

[vague token]

although it's mostly double fighter slots

xD

[elder crane]

Also she needs to actually hit her skill torps to do slow

[vague token]

vanguards love running into at least 1 cuda

[elder crane]

unlike ark's slow-on-launch

which means her timing window on slow is pretty late

[vague token]

how fast are swordfish again

her skill launches swordfish

according to wiki

(like flight speed)

[elder crane]

~15% slower than barras
But the barrage is wonky, see CN wiki

[vague token]

oh

ok

lemme go look xD

[elder crane]

It's diagonal torps
untargeted, launched early(?)

[vague token]

wait that's pretty good

diagonal is most likely to hit vs straight on

covers more space than cuda parallel

why cant sara's torps be like that

=///////////

[elder crane]

Yep, but means time-to-hit is longer since it seems to launch torps early and torps are slow

[vague token]

yeah

i mean 457 georgia should be slow enough though

you can probably adjust with 1 zero on the 2nd slot since it's lower efficiency

[elder crane]

457 loads faster than 406
and 406 loads in at 20 s at lv 100 with no reload buffs

You're not gonna be able to launch centaur fast enough for slow to catch 457 Georgia, I'm pretty sure

[vague token]

how fast is zero/zero/cuda again

xD

[elder crane]

Like <1 s faster launch
Actually, even <0.5 s I'm pretty sure

[zenith tundra]

just use skyrocket

[elder crane]

That's still only going to be <1s faster launch
with 2 skyrocket, you get just above 1 s faster launch! big whoop.

or wait, maybe not even that

[vague token]

wait what, centaur gets torp bombers + 3 lol

what a meme

what is balance

[elder crane]

2/2/4 for 8 planes total

One of the cranes also has similar, 2/2/4 F/DB/TB iirc

Yep, shoukaku

[vague token]

ok, if i mathed right

i get 19.2

from zero/zero/cuda

at 120

(200 / (160 + 100)) ^ .5 * 2.2 * ((4 * 9.52) + (4 * 10.31)) / 8 + .1

406 should work i guess?

[zenith tundra]

max oath is 18.9

[vagrant veldt]

Did you account for homing beacon

[vague token]

na, but that's easy enough to do

just multiply 19.2 by .95

or w/e

[vagrant veldt]

It should be 4%

[vague token]

.96 then xD

[vagrant veldt]

Usually always 1s taken off

[elder crane]

457 georgia fires at ~18 s, so you'll need to launch at least that early for slow to hit before her barrage lands
Probably 16-17 s required

[zenith tundra]

max oath then goes to 18.18s

[vagrant veldt]

Can always just bring the mk6 cd guns

[vague token]

it's probably fine to run 406 since her dispersion is reduced

[vagrant veldt]

Georgia without slow hits 1-2 barrage shs shells against erratic enemies

[elder crane]

Oh, I see the AP+ stats of the 457 added in

[vagrant veldt]

Slowed with 818 usually all 4

[elder crane]

55/145/125 vs 45/130/110 for AP+ vs AP on BBs

[vague token]

wait, it isnt SHS?

is the aimed part SHS?

of the barrage

[elder crane]

idk on her barrage
AP+ is actually better than SHS vs non-light, 60/135/115 for SHS BBAP

[vague token]

weird

ammo all over the place lol

and there's like AP++ now in cl guns

[elder crane]

And ofc the new CL gun is HE++
enhanced enhanced HE

[vague token]

oh he

is this even viewable in the ui lol

[elder crane]

140/90/70, 145/105/70, 145/110/75
Pretty sure none of this is in-client

[vague token]

X_x

it amuses me that there are stats for the sanshiki shell

like the main shell

[elder crane]

oh wut apparently Georgia barrage is 65/135/115
So enhanced SHS AP

this is a mess

[vague token]

wat

SHS+?

X_x

[elder crane]

and the sprinkle is 120/80/60
which is ????????

[vague token]

wait, 20% higher on medium than he dd lol

wat

[elder crane]

Yeah, some barrage armor mods tend to be weird
Like 100/80/70 on normal big7, which doesn't burn btw

or sakura big7
120/100/80 on chevrons
90/120/70 on wide spread
both can burn

[vague token]

90/120 lol what

[elder crane]

on a HE shell too, apparently, since 30% base ignition

[vague token]

yostar: here's the ammo rules

also yostar: ignore the rules

[elder crane]

I think maybe half of skill barrages actually follow some equip's ammo mods

[vague token]

like they inherit the current gun's ammo?

[elder crane]

No, like as in they follow the mods of some particular gun

[vague token]

oh

[elder crane]

instead of just some random shite

[vague token]

so they're based on an actual gun

eg dork maybe uses the quad ammo

maybe

[elder crane]

I actually never noticed the two parts to sakura big 7 apparently have different armor mods
You'd think it's the same, since each bullet does the same base damage and has the same ignition chance

Dork uses normal ammo

[vague token]

oh there's no quad Normal gun

felt like there was

not like anyone uses quads

[elder crane]

loool the exact same damage too, 108 with 4 shots
110% modifier instead of 100 because reasons
Then also normal ammo cause reasons

[vague token]

wait

so it does use the 356

but normal ammo

but slightly more

[elder crane]

More or less, yep

[vague token]

X_x

although i guess at least her barrage actually matches a gun

unlike most barrages

which use w/e

amagi barrage lol

[elder crane]

Amagi barrage armor mods at least make sense

[vague token]

why cant we use a laser gun

like the big sevens

[elder crane]

Big shots for her are normal ammo BB
Little shots are AP ammo DD
Torps are torps

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

is this worth it

from the chart it totally should be

[lament lichen]

suppose to be worth it

unless you value 5 cubes

[zenith tundra]

i value them but i'm curious about the results

[modern tree]

isnt that the very bottom of the "tier list"

[vagrant veldt]

8h is

[lament lichen]

the 30 min ones are near the top of the list

[vagrant veldt]

But in PR2 all the H ones gives good amounts of prints

[finite valve]

@modern tree where is this supposedly PR research tier list?

[zenith tundra]

i see why is not really worth it but those pr bps...

[vague token]

that was the 5 cube one?

[zenith tundra]

the one above

[vague token]

ah

[zenith tundra]

the equip bps are pretty bad

[vague token]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

research comms refresh at daily reset?

[lament lichen]

you can refresh the list once

[ionic magnet]

oh daily?

[lament lichen]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

is 86% dodge chance on ambushes cursed or something? i keep getting ambushed over and over again

[elder crane]

@finite valve
Research tier list
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367307557796053002/539095202015739904/Research_cn.png

This table
http://img.nga.178.com/attachments/mon_201805/03/foQ5-5wzdKa.zip?filename=��������.zip
from this
http://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=13994846
is from the ppl who made the CN research project tierlist, but further refined to be personalized since they realize not everyone is in the same situation resource-wise
this one allows you to say, "but I have no gold" or "but I have tons of cubes" or "but I need equip bps only (or ship bps only)" and it'll adjust the rankings of which projects you should do
And it also has data on what each project gives, ship and equip bp-wise, if you want to know about that too
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y1pzAqbpHCRWRwL6A0v-f-8yI8lE_HDoWfTXKVmU7DU/edit?usp=sharing
For just the ripped numbers on what each project gives, in english

[versed atlas]

what do the Tx ones stand for?

[finite valve]

trash tier

same as ship with Tn

[versed atlas]

i see

[odd schooner]

No one's moving on my list

[lament lichen]

everyone busy farming

[elder crane]

Same
so far, I've gotten a total of +2 today I think

[craggy cove]

i almost did it again

I almost forgot to do pvps

[vague token]

i keep getting people who do burn matches, but because they're behind me they dont go past me far enough for me to get a point

xD

[craggy cove]

and im gonna end up missing some because stupid enterprise RNG on the opponent side

Well yep missed one

[vagrant veldt]

The explanation for Tx is they have efficiency as good as t0 but have to consider that they are steep in price with high risk

[shell heron]

Gurren, I had to refresh my list because of you. 3 min left and you're my only +10.

[craggy cove]

Oh well

See y'all next monday for the new season

[odd schooner]

+0

[lime rivet]

Damn, dropped a battle. And my season was going so well too

[coral wren]

I've lost four so far. Each one to Namagiryuu.

Everything just changes so fast against that fleet.

[abstract cypress]

aint is pvp all about rn

idk how ppl having fun fight with the same fleet again and again

[coral wren]

idk how ppl having fun fight with different fleet again and again

[lime rivet]

Namagiryuu, as long as your frontline survives final counter, is generally okay

[coral wren]

Yukikaze was alive, but then she somehow died.

[shy hazel]

shit crap

my purchase got bugged

now i dont have license

how to earn extra oil for iris

[vague token]

you dont have any of the tutorial oil left?

or training or w/e

[abstract cypress]

how to git low oil

[vague token]

im at 5k but i havent used any training oil yet

[abstract cypress]

training oil ?

whats that

[vague token]

uh, the rewards you get for doing the training banner in the top middle

it says EASY ROOKIE

red banner

[abstract cypress]

oh that

[vague token]

i have 5k oil stored there cause i havent claimed it

xD

[abstract cypress]

ive completed all and take em all

[vague token]

oof

[lament lichen]

you still got oil from the event shop

[vague token]

that too xD

[abstract cypress]

oh yes that too

then again i dont need it

[vague token]

oh, this guy isnt running fe on ykk

480 burn ticks from sara

lol

[abstract cypress]

aint sara flood than burn?

[vague token]

both actually

[abstract cypress]

oh yea theres also burn

im curious is sara have a higher dps than E

[vague token]

the main thing is it isnt dependent on plane damage

witch prank does damage purely off of aviation

owari da requires you to use meta planes obviously

since it's 2x damage

[abstract cypress]

its not a comparison when they arent use bis

and max skill obv

[vague token]

no, what i mean is comets are ok on sara

her skill doesnt care how many bombs or how big they are

[abstract cypress]

comet

[vague token]

owari da would lose twice as much damage

if she ran comet

because hers is a multiplier

rather than its own separate attack

[abstract cypress]

every cv would lose huge dmg if they use comet

[vague token]

except sara, because she just wants take off time and pure stats

she has 2 skills that scale with aviation, not plane damage

so it doesnt matter if the bombers she uses have 1 bomb or 10 bombs

witch's prank only looks at the pure aviation stat

so she loses less damage on proc compared to her 2x damage sisters

[abstract cypress]

yes but bomb matters

[vague token]

it does, but burn/flood ticks matter more for sara

the sooner those go out

the sooner they start ticking

[abstract cypress]

but ulose initial bomb dmg with only 3-5 sec take off difference

well it it works more for u

my sara still at 90, might as well try it later

[vague token]

i mean, 3-5 is 1 whole tick

almost 2 ticks

of 480 burn and 200 flood

give or take

[elder crane]

Also it allows you to strike before other normal CVs

[vague token]

on literally every other cv yeah dont run comet

[elder crane]

I haven't used it myself, does it eventually hit planes before enty proc?

[vague token]

2nd take off

first no

they're still traveling

[elder crane]

Some argument for comet in Nakaga mirror as well, to get 2nd and onwards strike to hit first

[vague token]

well, that multiplies the damage loss though

losing base damage and then that is multiplied further by nagato buff

[elder crane]

The idea is, if you overkill anyways, then whoever hits first wins

[vague token]

yeah xD

i dunno anything about nakaga so

[elder crane]

Nakaga tends to overkill in mirror, depending on the comp you use/face

1st wave usually not enough to kill, 2nd overkills, is the idea
and the additional idea is that comet doesn't change this pattern, but allows your 2nd to hit first

[abstract cypress]

aint nakaga tone their take off with fighter&torp tho

switching bomber is a huge dmg loss

u can use btd if u want, others are just a waste

[elder crane]

Barra is already fastest TB
And fighter time diff ends up being the same as bomber time diff, giving up Reppu is usually a bad idea, and foxes are 3/2/3 loadout anyways

Actually the intermediate option is Ju87, it's better than the BTD and faster

[abstract cypress]

idk how german planes can dealt decent dmg on other than graff

well for minmaxing cd mb ye

[elder crane]

Ju87 is the second most damaging bomber, after SB2C
BTD is actually third, for now, fourth after another event bomber that we don't have yet

[abstract cypress]

i thought it just throwing pebbles all over the place

on paper it has a high dmg yes

[elder crane]

they add up eventually
Main thing is, bomb damage scaling after 500lb is severely reduced
It's why the SB2C is better, 3 sizable bombs instead of 2

4 of Ju's bombs are weak, but it adds up, and the 5 is better than BTD's 2
Also bomb accuracy doesn't scale up with size significantly, just AoE radius (dispersion increases with size too so accuracy ends up improving very minimally)

[abstract cypress]

still it scale up

[elder crane]

not enough to counteract the increased total base damage

[abstract cypress]

welp mb i need more samples

[elder crane]

There's a CN wiki page with the hitrate stats, and that and the bomb damage (listed pretty much anywhere) allows you to do the calcs that show this (+ suicide damage and plane HP for PvP, can be found in some guides and CN wiki equipment guide)
Hard to do testing for this sort of thing, the amount of RNG out means you need really large samples to reliably be able to determine differences

[vague token]

huh

[odd schooner]

This is going to be +0 streak huh

[vague token]

i had someone rush

[elder crane]

I got my 2 +1 in today, good enough for me I suppose

[vague token]

+1 first attack

[hot creek]

#EverySeasonDeadSeason

[elder crane]

I had someone rush to rank 1 when I was at 10/10
not enough for +2

[vague token]

oof

[elder crane]

not sure if that's a bad thing tbh
means I should be pretty far ahead, maybe?

[abstract cypress]

go quit pvp like me

[vague token]

i mean, they were probably behind you

and then blew their attacks

i hate it when one of the ones behind you goes all in and it just doesnt matter

xD

[hybrid tendon]

filthy namaryuu countered

[vague token]

lol

[hot creek]

belfast

[shy hazel]

im never getting a monarch guaranteed research

all roon and nep

game is telling me something

[lament lichen]

Game gives me izumo

[vague token]

xD

[empty sinew]

currently doing a sanrui bp research

[shy hazel]

jokes on u

all of my bonus bps

are louis

like 3 comms

[empty sinew]

wew

[shy hazel]

while everything in my list is roon nep

[empty sinew]

exact opposite

been getting bonus roon, nep blueprints

[odd schooner]

I'm getting bombarded by ibuki bonus

[shy hazel]

i get the feeling

some research chnge once u finish one

bummer

[lament lichen]

they change when you finish one

[shy hazel]

ii kinda dont like that system

but ill live with it

[finite valve]

by the time you done with PR you going to be like "meh whatever" lel

[shy hazel]

they still didnt include the free 2pcs universal everyday

[odd schooner]

I don't even think I'll use any of them

Lmao

Until warspite kai

I guess

[finite valve]

doubt we can even max 1 before WS kai comes

[shy hazel]

well its not rly sustainable to research extensively

[finite valve]

EN too sonic speed

[lament lichen]

free research commissions

[odd schooner]

Next combat data is 2+ days away

[empty sinew]

the ones that requires cubes are just pepega

[shy hazel]

u cant do free research exensively though

either they v long or rewards are just so bad lol

[hot creek]

free ones don't give you much.

[shy hazel]

time to be permanent resident of 7~2

[raw osprey]

https://gyazo.com/f18e7bc648d85e8d97525b34459d3397 @hot creek

[shy hazel]

i dont think even 7~2 can sustain

[hot creek]

12 hours m8

[raw osprey]

[shy hazel]

a free comm gve me like

purple bp

and 73 coins

zulul

[raw osprey]

[lament lichen]

that 12 hour one is actually pretty good

[shy hazel]

p good

if its right at the time

im about to sleep

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Dou2y/756a58f16f.png

let me innnn

[vague token]

wow

[odd schooner]

I'm still 70%

Waiting for weekly

[real notch]

cchhillllll

yoo

damn it

so fast

[ancient lake]

What is the best team now for eng?

[hot creek]

nagato/amagi/whoever + junueau/yukikaze/whoever

[ionic magnet]

best backline is nagato/amagi/hiryuu

[real notch]

please check out our homemade tierlist

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?usp=sharing

[shy hazel]

homemade

exported from africa

[real notch]

[random vault]

pls donate to feed the kids

[real notch]

does anyone know the mechanics of the fleet power increase from tech

[vague token]

is fleet power based on stats plus some other stuff?

[real notch]

idk my fleetpower went up by 43

since tech came out

[modern tree]

Tech is just stats, so fleet power will never again be an indicator of anything

Because game graciously always shows you power including those extra stats even if they don't apply to pvp

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

i like it

[vague token]

so that's why i hit 14k lol

i was really confused

[real notch]

actually not really that's fukin annoying

lol

even more for zack prolly cus he's trying to track maxed fleet power comps

[vague token]

xD

[modern tree]

Good luck tracking my 95% collection with unknown faction tech level

[real notch]

lmao

[vague token]

what are your tech levels anyways

[lament lichen]

3331

[modern tree]

4, 3, 3, 1

[lament lichen]

im close to 4341 as well

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

It's okay to admit I am better

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

ppl can catch up easily

especially pvo peeps

cos lots of purins bulins

just mlb whatever

levels dont matter much

just 70 everything

real challene is

kms to lvl 3

[vague token]

im missing too many for that probably

i didnt get tirpitz, graf spee X_x

[hot creek]

probably not a great idea to waste gold on MLBs for faction upgrade atm

[vague token]

[hot creek]

well if you're close, sure.

[leaden sequoia]

tell me about hair's width close

IJN 899/900

naturally, I got a bit triggered yesterday

[modern tree]

It's just a handful of stats anyway. Lvl 1 KMS is like 2 torp and some health for subs

I dislike this mechanic cuz it just triggers my ocd without having any real impact on the game

[hot creek]

120 every ship

[zenith tundra]

what does the star mean when viewing ships in fleet tech?

my question got completely ignored as always in help

[leaden sequoia]

as I understood, MLB

[zenith tundra]

ok

i have 4341 rn

finishing 1 4

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Dovpi/35806380ac.png burning 10 cubes, wish me luck

[zenith tundra]

i'm starting to think about putting a cap on the amount of money i spend on research. pretty sure used 30k in the past 24hrs

i farmed 7-2 too

[hot creek]

I am slightly reluctant to farm 7-2 because HQ penalty feelsbadman

[lament lichen]

im at 8-4 trying to get maya

[zenith tundra]

i got a 2nd maya drop yesterday while farming an abukuma

[hot creek]

abumakuma

[zenith tundra]

cheapest lb0 for ibuki

yeah i never used her so rip her name

[hot creek]

gib yuubari

yostar pls

[zenith tundra]

light build hell...

i wouldn't even use her for pr farm unless u farm ibuki

not sure if her xp boost is worth over a 3rd ship of the faction u need

[vague token]

how much is the xp boost

20%?

[real notch]

hm

[zenith tundra]

15%

[vague token]

so, 2.3

vs 3

so no not really

[real notch]

i thought blue said doing the cube PR quests were not worth it

[zenith tundra]

the ones that cost a lot of them

the 3 one should be fine

it's 2.875 vs 3.5 with vg mvp with yuubari

[hot creek]

she's qt, i'd raise her. also I just found out her voice actress also voice Amatsukaze from KC

she sounded so familiar

[zenith tundra]

pr do count towards collection %. it's nice to see all those ship farmers at 97%

[hot creek]

yeah yuubari

im just gonna try all the interesting comms and see what i get

i hope they add fleet preset saving/loading with the UI update

juggling between event map, sub map normal maps, daily raids is becoming annoying

[zenith tundra]

is that a thing or just wishful thinking?

[hot creek]

wishful thinking, it was one of the few things KC had over AL lol.

[zenith tundra]

idk u have 4 fleets u can just keep 2 of them already preset

i have 1 preset for sub boss

[real notch]

yea relatable phoenix..

[hot creek]

i do make use of the four fleets but still

[real notch]

i just save up my sub missions till i hit 8 then do them all at once

[lament lichen]

The cube ones depends on wat you value more

[real notch]

i only use around 2-3 fleets because i want to level like only 1 or 2 ships as much as possible

[lament lichen]

Tier x

[shy hazel]

we should put pr guide on the pvp guide

[zenith tundra]

let people suffer

[real notch]

pr guide

it's easy

get saint louis

[hot creek]

of all the PR ships to face against, Saint Louis would be the most scariest to me.

[zenith tundra]

#check-pins better said

[real notch]

kek

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

im so lazy

still 50%

[zenith tundra]

u have 4hr to finish it

[shy hazel]

i expected me to finish it by now

lol

no

next combat simulation still so far

exp dont get added there

unless its unlocked

after 3 more days?

[real notch]

really? i thought it doesn't stack

[zenith tundra]

i think we need to finish the one we have before being able to work on next one

[real notch]

like you need to get 3m EXP nomatter what

[zenith tundra]

if not u would stack 1m xp and 2m xp

[shy hazel]

u can skip

the nodes just get unlocked

but u can continue it everytime

[zenith tundra]

i'm sure u could ask in help

[hot creek]

every person i've heard about says it dont stack like that

[shy hazel]

u dont need to finish a step to unlock the next step its only timed 👀

[vagrant veldt]

have to finish the first before doing the second exp

[shy hazel]

nani

[zenith tundra]

so we need to finish xp and have enough time to do the 5 researches before the 2m xp is available

[shy hazel]

guess ill get lect behind

[random vault]

isnt it more like

exp and research no. wise you gotta do by stages

the others at free will

[zenith tundra]

they said i need to wait to do next step in help so

guess i'll finish 1m xp today

[random vault]

initially was planning to tryhard 7-2 with some shitty 0lb uss cls and monty mlb, but fuck i have too much oil

have to go and burn em at w11 lol

[zenith tundra]

how do u guys have oil i barely have 7.5k

[shy hazel]

still have tons of oil in mail

i just 1~1

[zenith tundra]

that's not counted...

[random vault]

i didnt claim my weeklies early, i had 10k oil entering the sunday update

[real notch]

are u guys done farming aichan event yet

[zenith tundra]

last clear rn

[real notch]

how much points do u need exactly

[zenith tundra]

for belchan

[real notch]

to get everything in the shop

[zenith tundra]

49k

[real notch]

oh i was thinking like 55-60k

[hot creek]

i've just been barely playing. had already finished what I needed from AI and just waited til now to do manjuu while getting PR xp

[real notch]

i think i miscounted

[zenith tundra]

55k is for accumulation

[random vault]

im just letting dailies get my way to there

though im only aiming for 35k lol

[real notch]

the PR BPs are a huuge amount

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 47k and rest is by dailies and sp black

[real notch]

like 17k just for PR BPs alone

right

[random vault]

yea but i have enough for em anyway

[real notch]

btw zack how much do u get per day?

1300?

[zenith tundra]

1k

[real notch]

tru

[zenith tundra]

300 wins 100 hm and 600 sp black

[shy hazel]

im just farming 7~2

to fund mu research

[real notch]

so you can get roughly another 10k just from dailying

for the remainder of the event

[zenith tundra]

8-9k not sure about 15th

3 cubes for this lol

[random vault]

lmfao

[real notch]

yea tru

what you guys using for SP4 PR farm?

i'm using this i think?

[zenith tundra]

2 too many ships in there

66% on ibuki xp should be easy finish by today

[shy hazel]

mmm

wont rush

[real notch]

i just oathed my juneau today on a whim

[zenith tundra]

i don't want to be behind time gate tbh

[real notch]

so i'm gonna be affection farming her

hopefully will be done when saint louis is done

[zenith tundra]

need to unlock roon too asap

[shy hazel]

goodluck catching up timer for 2mxp

1m took me 2 days

so i guess 2m is 4 days

assuming i have oil

which is nope probably

[real notch]

well

ideally we finish the 1m by the time the 2m gate opens

[zenith tundra]

eh more worried about the 8 researches afterwards

[shy hazel]

thats my thing

[zenith tundra]

as long as i have oil it shouldn't be too hard

[shy hazel]

can rush 8 researches by taking shortest research anyways

by spending cubes

[real notch]

is wichita gonna be ok in w11?

[zenith tundra]

lol

[real notch]

are u doing 2:3 or 1:3

[shy hazel]

how many cubes do u even have zack

u keep using cubes on research

[real notch]

he whales for cubes wait what

[shy hazel]

meanwhile solo warspite is shit

to grind

[zenith tundra]

i only used 8 total

230 rn

not gonna bother anymore

[shy hazel]

i think kizuna event gives better exp than 7~2

srsy

lol

[random vault]

it does

[shy hazel]

but gotta grind the gold

[random vault]

if u fight sirens

[shy hazel]

ill have to switch too hood or doy there though

my ws is only lvl 98

[zenith tundra]

i don't think my lb0 abukuma and nagara would stand a chance in sp4

they die in 7-2 too

[shy hazel]

nvm my ws is 97

with 87 shef

im taking this chnce to 110 tons of ships

lol

though ill need sheff for neptune grind

in the future

[zenith tundra]

use belchan

[shy hazel]

oya that one good too

got heal too

[zenith tundra]

nice of belchan to have 2 blue skills. needed someone to waste those books on

too bad the heal is only once x battle but at the beginning is a good time for it

[random vault]

isnt the percentage like too little to be useful

[zenith tundra]

with 2 toolboxes is 148 heal at 120

btw there are notifications for research comms right?

[real notch]

the small red exclamation mark

[zenith tundra]

i mean like the one u get on phone for comms and classes

[real notch]

i didn't get any

[zenith tundra]

[random vault]

neither do i

fucking hell

[zenith tundra]

then i need to put alarm for those wtf

[real notch]

LOOL

#game-feedback pls

[zenith tundra]

i'm doing it now

[real notch]

kk

i gave my support

[finite valve]

don't we still have crash with the notification on?

[zenith tundra]

it was patched quite a bit ago

[charred sable]

RIP, no bonus points for me tonight :(

[zenith tundra]

i had 0 bonuses last reset

vote on this
https://trello.com/c/nSQLmvuw/572-add-notifications-for-research-projects

Trello

Add notifications for research projects

Add a toggable option for notifications to be sent for when research projects are completed

Labels

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[half iron]

I had to drop a 9 score last reset

cause I was gonna be unavailable for the 3am and the 9am reset

so I need to go to 0/10

had to take rank 1 against a guy below me in score 😢

took rank 2 with 1/10 left, feels bad man

[charred sable]

The weapon skin farming is done! Now all my PvP fights will be filled with FAKKYUs and Kizuna Ai dildos flying across the screen

[half iron]

need fakkyus 😢

[zenith tundra]

i would need mini dive but never got them

[charred sable]

Are you referring to the secondary gun skin? I don't think there's a FAKKYU version so I'm still using the pixel fireballs

[steep fog]

same

I need mini fighter

for more fakkyu

[charred sable]

Glove, Ribbon, Hammer. No text ones

Ribbon doesn't look really good in game

[finite valve]

hammer is more acceptable