pvp

[arctic imp]

[hot creek]

a skilled roy can beat any fox

just not in this game

[arctic imp]

I just like using ships I like. And I'm not a fan of Nagato

[hot creek]

disclaimer, before yall beat me up. i dont actually think skilled roys can beat any fox. its just a meme.

[modern tree]

trust me, there is no bigger hipster in this chat than me or Kiroshima, both of us have Nagato maxed

[arctic imp]

I might replace Atago tho

[modern tree]

all that said, Foxes can be beat by any remotely competent fleet, including HMS provided you have HFCR

[arctic imp]

HFCR?

[modern tree]

Nagato and Amagi is a different story

[zenith tundra]

@arctic imp there is a channel for memes

[arctic imp]

I know

[zenith tundra]

pls remove it

[modern tree]

High Standard Fire Control Radar, the gold FCR from Fallen Wings

[arctic imp]

Oh...

:|

I wasn't around for that

[modern tree]

If you missed Fallen Wings then IJN is your only friend

[arctic imp]

I barely use IJN

At least none of the meta ships

Cept Amagi

[hot creek]

Enty/Hood/Amagi team

can beat everything

[modern tree]

Whers t0 tits

[vague token]

i am the superior hipster clearly

jk

[hot creek]

use Lusty when use Eldridge for mAxImUm sYnErGy

[finite valve]

ultra rip

[zenith tundra]

fuck off i hate this mirror

[hot creek]

+9

[zenith tundra]

i was testing

nagato barrage and boom both amagi and hiryuu die because of reasons

hiryuu is so annoying

[hot creek]

so I need opponent to be at 1245 score to get a +1, he's rank 120 while rank 100 is at 1250

place your bets

[zenith tundra]

should be +11

[modern tree]

no way

[vague token]

+10

[zenith tundra]

idk sandy tho

[safe meteor]

which main gun is best for Nagato?

[modern tree]

381

[safe meteor]

the twin 381mm advance main gun?

[hot creek]

+11, Bless RNG 🙇

[vague token]

i cant get a +1 when im rank 500 to rank 200

sandy is weird

[stone grove]

When you bring your Hornet to fight CV AI

I won like 3 seconds afterwards, CV AI had literally just died there

[vague token]

lol, Akashi-chan HEAL MEEEEE

[maiden mortar]

haha

[half iron]

oh dear my score is so high at 7/10 that the rank 1 person is below +35 for me now

what do you do in this situation

[vague token]

pray

[modern tree]

pat yourself on the back then curse the casual server you are playing

[half iron]

rip Sandy

1239 7/10, rank 1 is 1283 ...

[midnight heron]

sometimes dis game needs to chill with its bs proc rng

[half iron]

[midnight heron]

im not convinced dat both my ships of 70% proc chance can consistently fail to proc 3-4x in a row

yet enemy nagato gets a free pass with consecutive 40% procs

[half iron]

there's a non-zero chance of that 70% failing 3-4 times

[wicked rivet]

tell my amagi that 70% chance means 7 in 10 and not 1 in 20

pleas

she's not barraging

[midnight heron]

i might be biased but when u see enemy spamming procs with a theoretically lower probability than urs, while urs dont proc at all, cant help but call bs

anyway rant over lul

[shy hazel]

i guess me wont compete this season

im getting addicted to revue

[odd schooner]

I just noticed some planes specifically enterprise planes gets a miss icon popping on the planes when she's on lucky E

Is this normal

[vague token]

oops i lost a match, was farming in terraria lol

[elder crane]

Seems weird, idk what would cause that

[vague token]

wasnt there a theory that owari da sometimes made the planes invuln

like way back

i thought it was debunked though

[elder crane]

Is that an enemy lucky E proc?

[odd schooner]

Ye

[elder crane]

Quite weird that some misses pop up

[cerulean estuary]

no bonus points this reset so unlucky

[zenith tundra]

@cerulean estuary thanks to ur namaryuu i got a +9 lol

[half iron]

+3 in 5, woop

[zenith tundra]

somehow managed to kill both hiryuu and amagi same time

[cerulean estuary]

haha , i also got 2 +9 last season bcoz of test fleets

[coral wren]

The worst thing about encountering another Akaga fleet is how 20 seconds into the battle my framerate drops to 0.3

[craggy cove]

I rushed like a scub because I think I missed 5 pvps

rip this season for me

curse you wows

[hazy rain]

ohhh no, I afk'd during a pvp match and got annihilated

RIP this season for me

[ionic magnet]

[steep fog]

cursed mirror

[shell heron]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/528197562998718474/574440669477732372/1011.008.jpg

This doesn't look like Avrora to me

[vague token]

avrora is casual now didnt you know

[shell heron]

No I didn't. Does this means I can stop sandbagging?

[vague token]

no

[ionic magnet]

p sure you can as long as you dont aim top 10 end season

[vague token]

the sandbagging life never ends

[zenith tundra]

top sandbaggers are still out there

just most people don't care it seems

[ionic magnet]

can still get aotn with 8-10 missed matches so yea

[zenith tundra]

i couldn't last season with 7 tbh but didn't sandbag

[shell heron]

Us sandbaggers only really start showing up on the AotN rush and the last hour of the season. So we're pretty under the radar to casuals

[ionic magnet]

last 2 seasons i missed 8 and 9 matches and still got it

but yea you need to sandbag if you missed that much

[shell heron]

I think I can miss 5 and still touch top 10 with some sandbagging. Except for that season where everyone got their points reset so it got real close with 3 missed matches

[zenith tundra]

i started the season with 30 pts deficit and now i'm just 16 behind vysaga last reset

[shy hazel]

if u mean avrora

u prolly cant top 10 with 5 losses

i made it top 9 with one though

[shell heron]

Never said I was certain of it. 3 missed matches was the most I ever took in a single season.

Even with that I had to rush faster than everyone else to touch top 10

[zenith tundra]

i would blame them fucking up so many season one after another that so many people stopped caring about pvp but who really knows

[vague token]

i mean, it's pretty disheartening when that happens

[shell heron]

tbh I would like to stop caring about rank. stop worrying about losing charges from forgetting about it or cutting too close

[vague token]

elo time

[zenith tundra]

i always sandbagged for fun tbh. not like anyone cares about end season ranking outside a few people

[vague token]

yeah it's pretty much always the same top 10 give or take xD

dem sleeping schedules

[shell heron]

Meaning the handful we know by name now.

You know when you see them on your list

[vague token]

"oh no it's famine"

reroll!

xD

[zenith tundra]

i think this season famine is behind tho. couldn't see him in top 100 with kamita and vysaga

[vague token]

oh

oof

we lost donald trump a while back too

xD

[shell heron]

I still see trump on that AotN rush

after that, he's kinda gone

[shy hazel]

trump stayed at top 10

[vague token]

oh i havent seen him in a while weird

[shy hazel]

4 hours before season ended

[vague token]

ah

[lament lichen]

famine is like 3 points behind

dunno how kamita got 2 points behind me after a reset

when i only got +1

but with all the new content and grind we have to do

i dont expect much this session

[shell heron]

famine got that event rank to work on.

[vague token]

and they dont stop coming

we got biscuit and pr

the grind never ends

[shell heron]

I'm not expecting PR ships to be used in PvP for a while with all the bps needed to LB them.

[zenith tundra]

i have suck a good head start for pr farm... 4.7k oil rn

[shell heron]

With fleet tech coming out as well. PR2 don't seem far behind

which I hope isn't the case

[zenith tundra]

just another 21 sp4 and done with 55k farm

[vague token]

since i bought all the bps on event store im slowing down

[steep fog]

55k

[vague token]

ill do bel chan event

and take it easy

[steep fog]

im gonna stop at 35k

[vague token]

save oil

xD

[shell heron]

dang, I'm taking it easy with 34k rn

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 42k rn and with all dailies left i can get another 10k so just a bit more

[vague token]

o.O

im at like 25k, i dont have the time to play the game that much

[zenith tundra]

i would recommend putting the ships u use for farming pr in dorm so they get max morale for the bonus xp

[coral wren]

I'm only at around 17k.

I hate farming SP4.

[shy hazel]

31k

ill farm more once i can farm monarch

[zenith tundra]

sp4 is fucking boring to play and so slow too

[coral wren]

They should have just made clearing mode bossu only.

[steep fog]

lmao

that would be too ez

[zenith tundra]

plus the ridiculous amount of clears u need

[steep fog]

but yea sp4 with 120 pts only kinda sucks

[coral wren]

SP4 isn't hard as it is. It's just tedious.

[steep fog]

should have been 180

[coral wren]

At least give me an auto-farm option.

[empty sinew]

too easy to yield 180 pts

[vague token]

sp4 is nice for my plates though

[zenith tundra]

u get 180 for 40k pts shops but 120 for an almost 50k one

[vague token]

4 elites

[shy hazel]

i still dont have any fakkyuus

so i need to farm anyways

sadly

31k of no fakkyus

[steep fog]

lmao

[shy hazel]

shittons of gold belfun bp though

[steep fog]

4 fakkyu here

[shy hazel]

no choice but to spam hai domo

[empty sinew]

1 of each but no guilty

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

I'm just farming with Nagato and Yuki, plus Tirpitz and Prinz in a secondary fleet for one node. It's not like this is difficult. Just time consuming and mind numbing.

[vague token]

i dont pay attention cause auto lane

[zenith tundra]

i finished amagi and hyuuga xp to 120 in this event now going for doy

[coral wren]

Honestly this event is shit overall.

[vague token]

ive been only using unicorn for my backline for clear so i have like no pvp ships ready for 120 lol

but at least 120 isnt tonight

=D

[leaden sequoia]

imo SP4 with stationary elites is about as brainless as it can get for auto farming purposes

[zenith tundra]

as easy as it is it's a ridiculous amount of clears just for shop stuff

[coral wren]

I wish I had a robot to press the screen and farm SP4 for me while I do other shit.

[vague token]

lol

oh hey mogami to 110

and no skill levels at all

[leaden sequoia]

and I use Ykkz for pretty much everything now, while Amagi not so much because ouch 15 oil and solo Hyuuga/solo CV is enough for what I farm

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna level my mogami to 120 for ibuki

[leaden sequoia]

Ykkz is gonna get 120 before Amagi at this point

[vague token]

xD

too bad zeppy doesnt lead to anything but ill probably try to get her to 110

[zenith tundra]

i use zeppy on my boss fleet in sp4 with hiryuu as backlines

[vague token]

2:1?

[steep fog]

im lvling enty to 110 in sp4

[zenith tundra]

2:2 with belfast and juneau and since juneau dmg is so bad i need even the extra bit of dmg from a lvl 76 zeppy for s rank lol

[vague token]

oh lol

[steep fog]

I just let juneau gain exp in pvp lol

still only 105

but doesnt matter

[zenith tundra]

my juneau is 1.3m rn at 110

[steep fog]

[vague token]

i think my highest are sara at 750k, amagi at 600k, then minne at 450k

xD

[shy hazel]

nagato amagi 2m

others im not so sure

lol

so lazy to grind ships

[vague token]

i swap around too much

[zenith tundra]

i'm just getting them out of the way while farming event

[shy hazel]

oh my phoenix is 3m

zulul

[shell heron]

My commonly used ships just gather the most exp
Amagi at 3m , Portland kai at 3m

[shy hazel]

still 2 hours

[zenith tundra]

2hr left of burning oil in sp4 for me

[shy hazel]

im stopping

gon maximize oil to grind

[vague token]

did the people who did belchan already farm on 7-2 or somewhere else

[shy hazel]

i finished bel on 7-2

[zenith tundra]

getting a pr ship fast means u then have to start others sooner too

[shell heron]

I heard 8-4 is good if you can 1:1 it

[vague token]

oh yeah cause it clears in 5

[shell heron]

but I'm gonna do 7-2 as well

[vague token]

i think i want the gold though

[zenith tundra]

even 1:2 with 1 lb0 downes/cassin should be fine

[finite valve]

not like getting PR ship fast is going to have an affect in the long run anyway

[vague token]

lies

it's a race

[zenith tundra]

i can't really use gold hopefully the faction thing costs a bit so i can go under cap since i'm at 75k/66k

[finite valve]

well gl in maxing race them then

[shy hazel]

i might u turn anyways

depending on bisko

prolly gonna finish monarch in 2 weeks

then might not dev30

u turn to roon

heh

[vague token]

o.O

[finite valve]

99.99999% bisko going to be quest or mile reward chain

[vague token]

probably

[finite valve]

i somehow doubt she going to be build

[shy hazel]

its the skill anyways

hey

everyone thought kizuna will be acquisition only too

[shell heron]

another long quest like Akashi's 23 day mission line

[shy hazel]

lol

[zenith tundra]

i'm going for ibuki waifu 1st then roon then maybe the others

[vague token]

please no not like akashi

i hated that

[finite valve]

well problem with kizuna is that there are 4 version of her

bismarck is only 1

[vague token]

i did dailies on start and missed the missions

had to wait like a week xD

[finite valve]

and we technically did get half from event and half from build

[zenith tundra]

people should've done akashi when hm didn't drop core data...

[finite valve]

ppl are dumb

in other news the sky is blue

i am going to rush for roon first

then either saint or monarch or maybe nep if i am going to try hard pvp

which i doubt i will do lel

[zenith tundra]

unless u play hms none of the pr ships are mandatory for pvp

[leaden sequoia]

didn't even see hm cd coming until it was live kek

rip Akashi, won't be seeing you for a long while

[finite valve]

eh nep and saint are best tank for pvp lel

exactly what we are missing atm

good tank

[vague token]

i just want a bruiser

aka louis

[finite valve]

CA only really worth it at 120

PR eva also got buff at 120 right?

[vague token]

na, just the normal CA leveling stats

roon and saint louis just have portland kai tier evade

without retro

lol

[finite valve]

i mean their eva from 100 to 120 got buff like normal CA right?

[zenith tundra]

which isn't that amazing tbh

[finite valve]

not talking about fate simulation

[vague token]

yeah they use the same per level i think

so 120 should have like 70-80 evade

[finite valve]

unless meta change to VG

all VG job is just to stall

zzz

[vague token]

a longer fight would be required for damage vanguards to shine

and a non max hp healing juneau/ykk

[coral wren]

Akashi meta when?

[vague token]

lol

i saw a guy with namagi akashi

[zenith tundra]

why would u need tanks in bb meta? to make sure ur backlines shoots water instead of opponent backlines?

[finite valve]

and what else are ppl using atm?

torp front?

yeh right

[zenith tundra]

juneau and yukikaze are support vg

[finite valve]

1 way or the other all of your front are just there to stall

[zenith tundra]

not even close to a tank vg tbh

[coral wren]

What vanguard would work best to take advantage of Akashi?

[vague token]

well yeah, because the backline has the most hp

and the most damage

why would you invest in anything besides that

lol

it'll be more hilarious with fdg even if she offers nothing

10k* 2.32 hp multiplier

[finite valve]

still doesn't change the fact that saint and nep are still 2 of the best VG to use with basically any front

along side with jesus and YKK ofc

[zenith tundra]

u don't need pr to win in pvp as u don't need a lot of ships

[cerulean estuary]

roon over saint louis on pvp?

i havent decided yet

[finite valve]

roon need to ramp up to do shit

so not going to work

[vague token]

roon will only be good after fate sim

[zenith tundra]

roon maxed out might be on par thanks to shields and starting barrage

[vague token]

shield at start

outside of that

who uses guns

on vanguard lol

[zenith tundra]

saint louis

does

use

[vague token]

exactly xD

[finite valve]

shield don't even block torp

also her shield is 15s right?

[vague token]

so you negated saint louis who is still tankier than roon cause evade booster

so nothing really happens

just a lot of nothing xD

[zenith tundra]

saint louis torp are worse then maybe even sirius tbh

~100 effciency and no torp stat

[vague token]

says 120

[cerulean estuary]

so on the process or overview capabilities and performance

saint louis is more viable than roon on pvp?

[vague token]

on wiki

so it's still better cause she has 60 more torp

still bad

sirius is 160 with 1.3

vs 220 with 1.2

xD

both terrible lol

[zenith tundra]

not really sirius gets the 15% dmg boost

[coral wren]

Someone needs to come up with a viable fleet for Akashi.

[vague token]

160 * 1.3 * 1.15 is still lower

[zenith tundra]

akashi in pvp is more useless then pve tbh

torp stat and dmg modifiers are not in proportion tho

[vague token]

i mean it's divided by 100 right?

yeah (100 + torp) / 100 more or less

multiplier is still lower

by a negligible amount

wait it's an ammo bonus right?

so do we add ammo bonuses together

or multiply

for sirius would it be 1.15 * 1.3

or just 1.45

[zenith tundra]

sirius dmg with rainbow quint and OXY without cv buff is 747 on light while saint louis with same equip is 690 with pvp bonuses but without dmg reductions

saint louis definitely worse

[vague token]

oh i wasnt adding any gear xD

was just using their pure torp LOL

[zenith tundra]

without oxy is 574 sirius and 551 saint louis

[vague token]

if you dont add all the flat bonuses louis is better basically

since her base is higher

but my rainbow is on ykk so neither gets it xD

and my oxy are taken

[zenith tundra]

i just said that saint louis torpedoes are trash not that she does no damage

[vague token]

i think we can all agree on that =D

[zenith tundra]

even with gold quint the damage is still lower. 486 vs 473

u would need to use blue torp maybe to have saint louis do more lol

[vague token]

only 45 torp is enough to bridge the gap?

that's weird

[zenith tundra]

the more the torp stat the more sirius scales

the lower stat the lower is the gap

pretty much at base torp stat saint louis does more

[coral wren]

The most important thing Sirius has is her boost to carriers though. How do you quantify that?

[zenith tundra]

doesn't matter for my purpose of showing how bad saint louis torp are

[vague token]

and how bad sirius torps are xD

[zenith tundra]

with 2 cv and gold quint sirius 531 vs 473 saint louis

i think we all know how bad sirius torp are

[shy hazel]

as bad as she may as well not have a torp

[coral wren]

What if you count torpedo bombers as Sirius torps?

[shy hazel]

and us wishing she had mgm+1 instead

[vague token]

im still triggered sirius doesnt have mgm+1 like sandy kai

[shy hazel]

as bad as saratoga on a meta pvp nagato fleet

[zenith tundra]

i would pick dd gun over mg+1 cl gun

[vague token]

shhhhh

dont give it away

[coral wren]

I'm still triggered Sandy doesn't have an oath skin.

[vague token]

ill swap when hiryuu kai is out ok?

[zenith tundra]

she's not needed in pvp so rip oath for sandy

[coral wren]

I did reasonably well using Sandy in PvP.

[zenith tundra]

even rn foxes are bad

i don't think u need sady for them

[vague token]

why use sandy when you can have enough aa with juneau and still heal your team 25%

;)

nerf juneau!

atlanta kai!

or riot!

jk

[coral wren]

How about all three Atlantas and then SoDak/Washington/North Carolina?

[vague token]

you'd just get shot in the face

[coral wren]

I think that'd add up to like 2500 AA.

[vague token]

or torped

xD

[zenith tundra]

aa only shoots planes not ships

[coral wren]

The battleships will shoot at ships.

[zenith tundra]

aa stat* to be more precise

[vague token]

so did sandy use aa for her barrage damage

or was that not a thing

[zenith tundra]

wasd nc didn't make it in enty era

[coral wren]

How much AA would be required to make a fleet immune to airstrikes in PvP anyway?

[vague token]

you cant

aa is a dividing number

so each point

is worth less than the last

[zenith tundra]

with 450 aa u take like 25% dmg

[coral wren]

Technically speaking, since the Atlantas used DP guns, they did in fact use their AA for barrage damage.

[zenith tundra]

sandy kai at 1132 aa from both her skill and dd gun/gold aa gun takes ~12% dmg

to take 1% dmg from planes it takes 14850 aa stat lol

[vague token]

kek

[zenith tundra]

zeppy doing some work

i would say 1 more lb and lvl 80+ and she can outdamage juneau

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

why is juneau so bad

[zenith tundra]

seems like some ppl started pushing for maint

[trim horizon]

lvl102 oathed

[zenith tundra]

i had rank 5 and 41 in list lol

[vague token]

i had 90 =/

[zenith tundra]

i had syranda

[vague token]

oh hey a third fakkyu

yus

maybe i should switch hyuuga for triple fakkyu

[odd schooner]

How's Stella's shells

[vague token]

hmm, what if i used ark royal with the rwg

for better hit rates on vanguard

double ryuusei

[zenith tundra]

just noticed we can get dev 10 right now

i have 37 universal bps and u need 37 for dev 10

[vagrant veldt]

it would be significant for PR2

most PR1s need to be around D20-25

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't ibuki work even at 15?

[vagrant veldt]

might be missing a bit much torpedo damage

[lament lichen]

25% from her maximun

[zenith tundra]

guess no one will move...

[vague token]

xD

get your comms/dorm/academy set before patch!

beep boop

[zenith tundra]

found donald trump

[vague token]

he lives! xD

[zenith tundra]

when juneau doesn't die before amagi and nagato

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

i refreshed that list

[vague token]

i would hope so

xD

[zenith tundra]

as soon as i could since i was out of them yesterday

[hot creek]

prprpr

[cosmic iron]

How do i run an izumo comp in pvp?

[lament lichen]

alt + f4

[vagrant veldt]

take out hiryuu and add Izumo

[zenith tundra]

namagi izumo

[vagrant veldt]

tank Monarch

[cosmic iron]

Er whoops, meant ibuki

not izumo lol

[vagrant veldt]

not like that matchup isn't already guaranteed win

[elder crane]

Torpmemes ibuki

Pair with Nakaga probably

[zenith tundra]

u don't use her that's how

[vagrant veldt]

there were recommendations not to do Izumo at all

[cosmic iron]

Nakaga backline, would you just run sendai and aurora for frontline? Or more torp dps like ayaya?

[zenith tundra]

ibuki is better on defense so u don't actually play her

[vagrant veldt]

izumo isn't last in the poll. there are people who loves her

[elder crane]

If you gonna do torps, go all in imo
Which means Jint/Sendai

[cosmic iron]

Jint doesnt buff ibuki

[elder crane]

Or Jint/aurora
Aurora/sendai fine too

[zenith tundra]

who's last then or can u post the poll @vagrant veldt

[elder crane]

Yes, but still best torppair

[vagrant veldt]

Neptune

[cosmic iron]

Wouldn't ayaya be better than jint as a pure dps?

[vagrant veldt]

she is so cute tho

https://www.strawpoll.me/17938133/r

[elder crane]

Jint and Sendai pair iirc better than Jint/aya or aya/sendai for torps

[vagrant veldt]

Ayanami has just her stats in PVP

[cosmic iron]

o right, cuz she doesn't proc the demon early enough

[elder crane]

Aya is only better at torps solo

[cosmic iron]

I guess I can try Sendai Jint Ibuki then

[zenith tundra]

i like that poll only because saint louis is under izumo

[cosmic iron]

Sendai and Jintsuu should stack their pre retro torp buffs right?

[lament lichen]

lots of manarchs

[elder crane]

Yep, those two stack

[cosmic iron]

monarch is the easiest to grind initially

and this is better for defense pvp right?

[zenith tundra]

izumo is easiest imo

[vagrant veldt]

they used to say people who grind for Roon are machos

[elder crane]

Torps better on def yep, for two main reasons

[modern tree]

Ibuki is a CA and doesn't get Jintsuu or Sendai buffs

[vagrant veldt]

IB cruisers are either no damage or no survivability

[cosmic iron]

oh right, CA is heavy cruiser not light

And I doubt running kagerou is worth it just to buff ibuki

[vagrant veldt]

best "buff" is Aurora

[cosmic iron]

I think Jintsu + Sendai just buff themselves in this case

[elder crane]

1. positining favours defense fleet torps
2. def fleet cares less about consistency, and cares more about being able to get god rng

[cosmic iron]

Ic

[vagrant veldt]

defence prefer to raise max limits instead of lower limits

[zenith tundra]

if u want a pvp ship don't build ibuki

[cosmic iron]

Oh another question. Since I don't have amagi do I want to still try to get a hiryuu comp somehow or just run nakaga on offence as well?

[vagrant veldt]

Nakaga

[cosmic iron]

Oh no, it's not that I want a pvp ship, i just want to try ibuki in pvp for fun

[elder crane]

Nakaga probably

[cosmic iron]

I'm on avrova so my chances of going anywhere near top 1k are probably null

[vagrant veldt]

the core hiryuu fleet is overwhelming them with offence and defence buffs

[lament lichen]

top 1k you just dont miss any matches

[steep fog]

hiryuu mirror

[cosmic iron]

For nakaga is it worth running both sendai and aurora or just 1?

[vagrant veldt]

both

what else would you run

[zenith tundra]

if u don't mind reseting more u can use ibuki on offense with aurora X for nakaga. not sure how good it will be tho

[elder crane]

Aurora always imo, sendai specifically only vs belfast

[cosmic iron]

Do you guys swap out comps to counter specific fleets or not worth it?

[zenith tundra]

i prefer not to tbh

[vagrant veldt]

the current best oppresses everything

[steep fog]

I just run nagiryuu vs everything

[elder crane]

If you're running Nakaga, swapping makes a significant difference probably

Namayuu just crushes anything not mirror though so I just optimize that for mirror and call it a day

Only hiryuu/amagi position adjustment done for me

[vagrant veldt]

wait till you have two PR152s

their vanguard come a bit close and lose close to 1k hp

[cosmic iron]

My current nakaga comp is juneau, aurora, ykkz.

[cerulean estuary]

when u encounter nakaga , just swap USS bb's

[cosmic iron]

is that fine or should i swap belfast or something in?

[elder crane]

Juneau probably questionable there outside of mirror

Though I'm a bit out of my experience area here

[vagrant veldt]

juneau for slower comps

my experience with Nakaga is full evasion reduction

[cosmic iron]

Isn't nakaga the opposite of slow?

[vagrant veldt]

and wipe vanguard

[elder crane]

What's the current Nakaga strat vs Namayuu/WaSDA

[steep fog]

for mirror the heal is rly useful

[vagrant veldt]

kind of if you can't wipe the vanguard it becomes very risky

[elder crane]

Juneau is pretty good in Akaga mirrors

[vagrant veldt]

their backline survivability is quite awful

[cosmic iron]

Wouldn't Ibuki be good at vanguard wiping or are we hoping that sendai+aurora allows akaga to wipe vanguard?

[zenith tundra]

hit pause and retry till rng goes ur way

[steep fog]

I find running nakaga super hard vs nagiryuu

[elder crane]

But vs stall teams she's very questionable

[steep fog]

so just avoid

[vagrant veldt]

hiryuu counters Akaga

[cosmic iron]

Yea, i just avoid them if I can

[cerulean estuary]

and dont 4get to quit if ur testing fleet in pvp

so u dont eat a +9 am i right?

[steep fog]

final counter + defensive vg too OP vs akaga

♿

[elder crane]

I know matchup is far from unwinnable
But I'd like someone with more testing experience for that matchup to chime in on ship choice

[vagrant veldt]

stack evasion reduction and wipe Juneau

[elder crane]

Heh, just test only vs higher ranks, problem solved!

[cosmic iron]

would it be possible for nakaga to kill hiryuu in the first airstrike or not really

[elder crane]

Very unlikely

[vagrant veldt]

I would say impossible

yet to happen even with 110s

[cosmic iron]

So no go on that then

[elder crane]

Would need torpRNG, and lots of it

And even then maybe not enough

[vagrant veldt]

there was WS kai HMS trying to snipe hiryuu and they end up taking huge amounts of damage

[hot creek]

im surprised ibuki is that low. seems i overestimated the amount of armpit fetishists around here

[vagrant veldt]

next announcement Ibuki l2d

[zenith tundra]

i only like her side chest tbh

[vagrant veldt]

and see her rise to the top

[trim horizon]

[cosmic iron]

St Louis would be the best PVP PR ship right? Or would it be monarch?

[zenith tundra]

monarch for hms builds louis for everyone else

[cosmic iron]

do hms builds still run qe?

[zenith tundra]

till centaur yes

[cosmic iron]

would you run both monarch and hood or only 1 barrage bote?

[zenith tundra]

hood vs doy... who knows who is better

doy should be better with centaur but not sure about qe

looking at that poll... monarch vs roon, izumo vs saint louis and neptune vs ibuki. the 3 pairs are pretty divided

[ionic magnet]

you can actually ditch qe even rn for ws/doy and its not bad at all

but would it be still called hms idk

[zenith tundra]

ditching out qe when u have vg problems

idk about that

[ionic magnet]

not really cos most comps run mixed VGs anyway so you end up with only 1 hms and 15% eva is just meh

[zenith tundra]

then maybe use more?

[vagrant veldt]

if we putting DoY why not just add Amagi instead

[zenith tundra]

i tried amagi doy hood and it doesn't work tbh

[ionic magnet]

cos that wouldnt be hms anymore

[zenith tundra]

qe felt better then just using amagi overall

[vagrant veldt]

I feel the same

[buoyant parrot]

[shy hazel]

oh

i think i missed a round

just woke up

now im woke

[buoyant parrot]

[shy hazel]

why u change name

[buoyant parrot]

because you know why

P E R F E C T I O N

[ionic magnet]

[lament lichen]

Neptune

[hot creek]

#TeamHeadnod

[shy hazel]

[cosmic iron]

actually, how does Kawakaze do against full CL teams?

[modern tree]

probably just like every torpedo boat, its randomly good

[vagrant veldt]

Ive seen fleets that try to burst enemy vanguard with her buff but it's niche and torpedo vanguards aren't popular atm

[zenith tundra]

iirc i tried doing some math on her dmg and kawa does roughly 1.5 times aya dmg on opening torp

[vagrant veldt]

Ibuki should be the core of torpedo vanguards with Aurora as support

[zenith tundra]

kawakaze dmg against light cl with gold quint is 1820 vs aya 1253 on opening torpedoes. aya wwith her proc on light does 1899

on heavy armor main fleet kawakaxe does 1583 vs 2036 aya on opening torp and 3086 with aya skill

kawakaze is just better on opening torpedoes pretty much

at any point afterwards her dmg is inferior if aya procs her skill

[modern tree]

Aya has a chance to proc before her torps hit, which would still buff her. If you are rolling dice might as well roll all of them.

[vagrant veldt]

5s initial cd

same with Ibuki's barrage, 10s

[zenith tundra]

ibuki cannot proc on opening torp?

[vagrant veldt]

crit skill activates but her barrage starts on 10s cd

[zenith tundra]

that's so domb

[modern tree]

is the bonus evasion tied to her barrage?

[vagrant veldt]

wait, it's part of the barrage

[modern tree]

into the trash it gooooes

[zenith tundra]

is she even decent then with barrage on cd at the beginning?

[vagrant veldt]

two waves with Aurora is still potent damage

[violet comet]

SIX HOURS HAVE PASSED

TIME FOR PR

[vagrant veldt]

can drop vanguards to about 2/3

[zenith tundra]

is crit that broken on her torp? because stat wise she should be inferior to cls

[vagrant veldt]

around 50% crit chance total

but she has to bring 2 rainbow torpedos

[zenith tundra]

wdym by 97s?

[vagrant veldt]

rainbow torpedos

[steep fog]

2oxy torp and bet on torp meme

[vagrant veldt]

high% low base stats

[steep fog]

oxy torp is super good on low torp base

[zenith tundra]

isn't it type 93 pure oxygen torpedo?

[vagrant veldt]

it is

I was thinking about 95s and and thought the rainbow one was 97 for some reason..

[zenith tundra]

what is the base crit multiplier for torpedoes damage?

[split socket]

"Critical damage has a base damage modifier of 150%, and any other equipment modifiers adds additively to the base modifier. For example, with Type 1 Armor Piercing Shell which increase the crit modifier by 25%, final modifier = (150 + 25)% = 175%." from wiki

[zenith tundra]

ty

for ibuki should be (0.5+0.65)/2 (divided by 2 because of 50% crit chance)

[elder crane]

Where are you getting 50% crit chance from?

[zenith tundra]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/574574850346188801

just read a bit up

[elder crane]

heh, actually pretty close due to 0 luck

would be about 15% base otherwise

[zenith tundra]

her acc is not bad tbh

at 120 is 136

research missions how the hell do we tell them apart

[vagrant veldt]

price

looks like CN naming

[hot creek]

is it better to do the short research?

[vagrant veldt]

due to adjustments for CN research rewards Im not sure if EN got affected

but the short H ones are pretty good

[zenith tundra]

i would think so. i went for a 1:30 one that costs money

[vagrant veldt]

1hr H

[split socket]

how many can u do 1 day?

[vagrant veldt]

the current state at CN is that the ones that doesn't use cubes or gold have near 0 rewards

and the lower limits of different rarity same researches are the same, only their max is different

[safe meteor]

so whats a good ship to research for?

[vagrant veldt]

I would go fastest to slowest to get exp

[zenith tundra]

pvp? either monarch or saint louis (monarch for hms builds)

[midnight heron]

damn this is confusing af which one to research lul

[safe meteor]

yea

got 3 research tabs new

no idea how all 3 works

[shy hazel]

fleet tech

u upgrade your fleet power

depends on how many ships and levels u have

[hot creek]

so is "universal BP" just actually a random BP? somehow I thought you'd be able to choose.

[shy hazel]

u can ignore it for now

[vagrant veldt]

you can choose for the ? prints

[zenith tundra]

just read the ? pls. it's not that bad for info

[shy hazel]

shipyard is developing ships

[hot creek]

yeah it says random

when i click

[midnight heron]

which research is most efficient o.o

[safe meteor]

guess buy the 3k gold one?

dunno if i should sac 10 wisdom cubes

[vagrant veldt]

UL endings are the best

10 cubes are highly risky

[safe meteor]

yea

3k gold sounds easy

[vagrant veldt]

the upper and lower limits are far even in the new versions

the 1hr 3 cubes H research is pretty good from experience

fast and consistent results

[midnight heron]

im assuming this is free (just need confirmation before getting hit by hidden costs)

[vagrant veldt]

yes its the free

[shy hazel]

youre lucky

[vagrant veldt]

if you want to graduate fast avoid

[shy hazel]

my free one is 8 hours

zulul

[midnight heron]

ok then

[vagrant veldt]

even in the old version where it was amazing, it was slow to get prints

but before bed it's pretty good

[safe meteor]

how good is HMS Neptune?

[vagrant veldt]

high AA, survivability and relies on barrage damage

best singular CL

[shy hazel]

a better phoenix

[safe meteor]

hmm

[vagrant veldt]

negatives is no support skills and requires D30

[safe meteor]

really no idea which ship to go for

[shy hazel]

as planned

i go monarch

[vagrant veldt]

before D30 you could find better CLs for her cost

[safe meteor]

i think i got a good main fleet, but prob need help in vanguard

[zenith tundra]

for pvp monarch is used in hms comps and izumo is not really worth going for

[hot creek]

Neptune doesnt have MGM +1 tho does she?

[violet comet]

should I tend to pick the large projects?

[vagrant veldt]

single mgm

using single 150 has more dps than her 152 gun when barrage hit rate is above 40-50%

[safe meteor]

so, what you gonna bring to gather 2 mill xp for HMS Monarch?

[zenith tundra]

just use hood doy and qe should be pretty easy

[hot creek]

just 1:1 with a good HMS BB and feed them MVP and 1.2x morale bonus.

[safe meteor]

lot of oil cost

oh maybe thats nice

[zenith tundra]

u use 1 at a time for extra xp for mvp

[safe meteor]

any idea how fleet tech works?

[vagrant veldt]

collection, max limit break, lv 120 gives points

[safe meteor]

can you go to lvl 120?

[vagrant veldt]

and give different stats

[zenith tundra]

it gives buff to ur fleet based on the level of each nation. u choose which 1 u want to go for based on which stat u prefer

[split socket]

I thought this was the general chat

[zenith tundra]

it is

[safe meteor]

ok nvm then

i thought maybe it was also buffing in pvp

[coral wren]

Is there some where i csn find out which pr mission is best for rewards?

[violet comet]

is the EXP gainedretroactive?

or should I wait for the mission first?

[zenith tundra]

how do u see for each nation how many pts u have?

u need to select ship to be able to gain xp for it

[violet comet]

i did

[vagrant veldt]

uncertain if EN research rewards are same as the old data

[shy hazel]

no need to rush missions anyways

lol

hardlocked

[zenith tundra]

i have 1.2k uss 1k hms 1.2k ijn and 500 ironblood

[shy hazel]

anyways back to farming kizuna event

i have a teensy bit more than u

i have all ships in the game

lol

oops i mean 97%

i never bother to lvl 100 though

lol

[violet comet]

so for the 5 research thing, if I do it pre-24 hours it wont count?

[zenith tundra]

we miss a lot thanks to 120 lvl not in game

[shy hazel]

minor factions dont even have their fleet tech heh

russia fleet where

[safe meteor]

can you go to lvl 120 now?

[shy hazel]

nop

[zenith tundra]

u don't need those tbh it applies to all ships

[safe meteor]

do you have to wait 24 hours, or can you farm xp already after picking a PR ship?

[zenith tundra]

u can farm u cannot change the ship tho for 24hrs

[safe meteor]

ok

time to get farming then

2 mill xp grind?

[zenith tundra]

1mil rn

the 1st stage is 1mil xp

[safe meteor]

ah yea

[violet comet]

for me its 5 research projects

[zenith tundra]

it's not

[violet comet]

huh?

i checked and the first locked one is 5 proj

[zenith tundra]

the 1st one unlocked for every ship is 1mil xp

[violet comet]

oh! yeah I see

ty

[zenith tundra]

combat data

[violet comet]

i saw, yeah

thanks fam

time to bring out QE, WS and dork

[safe meteor]

only xp gained from pve counts, or does it also counts from pvp and dorm?

[violet comet]

only pve

[zenith tundra]

no dorm no commissions no auditorium

no pvp

not sure about daily raid but all maps do give xp for pr

[violet comet]

if there are 3 HMS BBs, I get 3x the exp... right?

stupid question

but Im not 100% sure

[zenith tundra]

u get xp for all ships u use

[safe meteor]

but only 1 mvp

[zenith tundra]

based on how much they gain

[safe meteor]

and which place do you farm with 3 HMS BB?

[zenith tundra]

w11?

[violet comet]

i still need to finish 9-4 sigh

events side-tracked me

[zenith tundra]

don't use 3 backlines unless is a high world map

or u have oil to waste

[shy hazel]

its suggested u go 7-2 instead

so u can also farm gold

lol

[violet comet]

in w10

I guess I should use

3 backlines

[shy hazel]

i have no gold rn fk me

[violet comet]

i wanna finish the campaign anyway

but ty, yeah

[shy hazel]

then shop after reset was so good

[violet comet]

so many goldies

yeah

[shy hazel]

ill have to rely on free research for now

until i start 7-2 after kizuna farm

[violet comet]

my first research was the large one

LOL

the free one, too

[safe meteor]

which is large?

[violet comet]

ohwell

[shy hazel]

my free one was 8 hours

[violet comet]

8hrs

[shy hazel]

it depends on the player

[midnight heron]

lul i had large as well 😮

[shy hazel]

8 hours but then i sleep in like 5 hours

cant refresh

[violet comet]

so many gold BPs, too

[zenith tundra]

i still haven't checked pvp

[split socket]

does exp from pvp count for pr research?

[shy hazel]

nop

[zenith tundra]

no

[safe meteor]

finally

got 1% xp

now for the remaining 99% of the 1 mill

[modern tree]

probably works the same way overcaping works, which means if the ship is max lvl it doesnt earn exp?

[shy hazel]

it earns still

[zenith tundra]

all ship earn xp

even if not stocked

[safe meteor]

almost afraid i was stuck at 0% forever

[modern tree]

I meant for pvp specifically

[zenith tundra]

any ship in pvp don't give xp for pr

[shy hazel]

^

[zenith tundra]

u don't get anything from pvp because is not considered a sortie

[safe meteor]

would you say HMS Neptune good for PVP as well?

[modern tree]

yes

probably not first choice unless you are Phoenix

but shes good

[safe meteor]

who would be first choice?

[zenith tundra]

at lvl 110 nep should be tankiest pr vg ship

[modern tree]

Monarch or Louis

[hot creek]

I would choose Monarch but my pp and love of [Headnod] make me choose Neptune.

[dense lynx]

DesuVult

[vagrant veldt]

Neptune is very cute

[shy hazel]

[vagrant veldt]

what's with the votes earlier

[modern tree]

I wanted to do Nep, but I also want to play HMS in pvp

[safe meteor]

we got two nepneps now?

[shy hazel]

one is trash collab

one is real ship

[midnight heron]

nepu?

[zenith tundra]

https://www.strawpoll.me/17938133/r

[safe meteor]

nepu~~

[modern tree]

also, Roon with the shields from the start is probably the most obnoxiously overpowered pve ship, heads up

[zenith tundra]

u can see the 3 good ones vs the 3 bad ones (kidding since nep is not bad)

[vagrant veldt]

newest calculations rate her survivability above Eugen

quite scary

[zenith tundra]

how far from saint louis?

[vagrant veldt]

PVE 14k extra EHP overall over Saint Louis

but PVP Saint Louis has engine boost to avoid shells

[zenith tundra]

wtf

[shy hazel]

14k

[vagrant veldt]

12k ignoring their AA stats

[modern tree]

Thats probably not even factoring the fact that big Zepp gives her straight 15% DR

[vagrant veldt]

the calculations considers 30% EHP gained from AA damage reduction

[zenith tundra]

well it's 15 extra aa for saint louis

what is the last 1 in the bottom left corner?

[vagrant veldt]

i13

the carrier submarine class

[zenith tundra]

oh right that

forgot about her

jintsuu

[shy hazel]

where u farming pr zack

[zenith tundra]

i'm finishind kizuma event farm

[shy hazel]

lucky u u still have lots of gold

i had like 5k gold before main

now 0

lol

[zenith tundra]

just some clears left and done with it

did u do daily raids

it should be easy 12k

[shy hazel]

alrdy did lol

[zenith tundra]

gg

[shy hazel]

fleet tech is annoying me too

so yea 7-2 it is

[zenith tundra]

my shop only had a t3 red book so nothing to waste money on

[shy hazel]

got chicken red book and pie on my shop

[zenith tundra]

i'm running out of food. barely saw 2 foods in like 1 week

[hot creek]

are people srsly running out of gold already

[zenith tundra]

if u had none before is not like u have more now

[modern tree]

I was "stockpiling" for whole one day and I have 30k

[zenith tundra]

my gold is stockpiling on it's own since i'm not buying loot boxes

[shy hazel]

stockpiling means u also do long oil comm is it

[hot creek]

got a Neptune BP from my first research praise RNG

[shy hazel]

oh i have a new problem

[zenith tundra]

i'll get saint louis ones out of spite of the game for choosing ibuki

[shy hazel]

what frontline is good 1-1 in 7-2

that will make qe mvp

lol

and wont die

[vagrant veldt]

1hr H gave 2, still the reliable one I know

[zenith tundra]

can u use 2 manhans? lb0?

[shy hazel]

i guess ill just random pick

[hot creek]

just nerf your VG's main gun, ie use a +5 gun

[shy hazel]

i dont wanna use lb0 ships

wanna grind front too abit

[zenith tundra]

juneau

[shy hazel]

jun yea i guess

[hot creek]

but honestly QE shouldn't be that bad at MVP'ing

[shy hazel]

i fielded doy with cleve

cleve always get mvp

heh

poggers

[zenith tundra]

lol

[vagrant veldt]

Leander?

[shy hazel]

i guess ill try

[zenith tundra]

u should try 381/410 at that point

[shy hazel]

my leandar is lvl 80 though

[zenith tundra]

maybe faster shoots will make doy mvp

[shy hazel]

i think cleve is just too good i guess

might as well pick another ship

[zenith tundra]

as a gunboat she has no downtime

4 sp4 left for 55k with remaining dailies and sp black

glad to be over with this event

is it actually better then normal maps?

[hot creek]

damn, did you really need to farm that much

[zenith tundra]

still not good enough it seems

[split socket]

wasting oil and time just to flex

[zenith tundra]

wasting oil and time to finish an event so i can farm easily for ibuki

[empty sinew]

temporary flex

[zenith tundra]

can't use 3 lb0 ships in sp4

[split socket]

I mean, ur not wasting anything as long as ur below 60k, but those scores on leaderboard

[hot creek]

anything over like 37k is already pretty unececssary.

[zenith tundra]

imo at least shop should be good

[empty sinew]

not buying out the shop

[split socket]

I'm going to clear out the shop as always, doesn't matter if they put in white plates :p

[zenith tundra]

u can avoid the painted loot boxes if u want

[hot creek]

no need for gold boxes, no need for T3 plates (with the exception of aux and maybe gun)

[zenith tundra]

well the loot boxes are 1.2k per faction so 4.8k total and the t3 plates for planes/torp/aa are 900 each so 2.7k. without those is like 7.5k less then the ~49k u need

[hot creek]

idk how you are still getting such high numbers for the buyout price of the important stuff

you aren't including the PR2 prints are you?

[zenith tundra]

idk what u are not getting

Buyout Price: KizunaPt.png 53450 - EN Version: 48450

unless they got it wrong

izumo roon bps cool

i reset nep and izumo comm for 2 nep comms.....

[empty sinew]

quick question cuz #gameplay-help is being retarded
does fleet tech affect pvp or nah? asking cuz my fleet power actually went up after upgrading ijn factions'

[zenith tundra]

no

[modern tree]

nop

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't

[empty sinew]

lol so im seeing a fake fleet power then

[zenith tundra]

idk if it is a bug but yeah it shouldn't

and my bis namaryuu now is 13429 instead of 13401

[steep fog]

grinding sanrui

[empty sinew]

mine jumped from 13169 to 13198

[zenith tundra]

i think the bonus is applied to all ships so u see them with the extra stats but it should only be a visual thing and the stats not actually count

[empty sinew]

guess eventually they'll fix it so that it won't appear when viewing pvp fleet

[zenith tundra]

i don't think they just can remove the stats from the pvp screens but not everywhere else

maybe i'm wrong tho

[modern tree]

shame that testing wether those barely significant stats are applied is not really easy in pvp

[zenith tundra]

fire damage would be easiest maybe?

just noticed this

u can switch in between gear and tech

and luck is visible now

[split socket]

but not acc 🤦

[zenith tundra]

sadly

[empty sinew]

or even speed

[zenith tundra]

i wish they would just put them all

[modern tree]

her luck should be 98 because of her skill

[leaden sequoia]

funny thing is, her skill still doesn't mention +5 luck

[zenith tundra]

maybe they should change that

[leaden sequoia]

so ppl are gonna ask why wiki shows 98 while the game shows 93

[coral wren]

use Pyoko for 100

[zenith tundra]

all ships