pvp

[steep fog]

shit is fucking rare

[vague token]

yeesh tough reset, got one +2 from sleep

[zenith tundra]

i had 3 +2 this reset

[vague token]

nice

i usually only get to get one + since im asleep and now im off to work xD

i just hope it's a big one

but 500 ranks doesnt mean much at this point total i guess

[zenith tundra]

it's fine till 1050pts

at that difference it could easily be a +2

[vague token]

yeah

i think it was rank 93 to my 600+

so i got the +2

xD

was hoping for 3 or 4 though

only waited like 10 hours

[wicked rivet]

I lost a match yesterday but could still get to top 10 if I used all my exercises

[zenith tundra]

that is why sandbagging is a thing and u need to check ur list consistently. no reason to wait more if people are done already

[half iron]

so waste to do belchan when they increasing drops by 50% soon

[wicked rivet]

yes

why would you do it now when youre getting 500 and x2 drop rates in 2 days

[modern tree]

I get the points from sub alerts, it's pretty nice

we are getting fleet tech but no pr2

what is fate simulation?

[wicked rivet]

I think fate sim is the way you do past events that wont get rerun again

I could be wrong tho

[zenith tundra]

oh is the system u can replay event maps

[modern tree]

so anyone can just farm quad mags?

[wicked rivet]

i mean

oh wait quad mag

idk

[zenith tundra]

as long as u have the medal for an event

[wicked rivet]

god I hope so

[modern tree]

neato

cant wait to go back to FW for more bofors

[buoyant parrot]

[wicked rivet]

[modern tree]

[zenith tundra]

time to farm 343+165=508 bps for 1 ship now

[buoyant parrot]

the fuck?

so instead of 343 you have to earn 508 now?!

[zenith tundra]

for max pr1 ships yes

[buoyant parrot]

[wicked rivet]

itll be a long time before any of them gets maxed tho

[zenith tundra]

it's a 15 luck + a boost depending on ship so not really worth it

maybe for izumo is worth it tho

u would farm those while going for the other ones dev 30

[wicked rivet]

pr ships start with 0 luck?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[buoyant parrot]

does monarch has 0?

nevermind

[zenith tundra]

all of them

[buoyant parrot]

well I guess that 15 luck is important now

[zenith tundra]

as i said i would considering getting those as extra when going for the other ships dev 30

if u aim for 1 alone u end up with extra useless bps

[buoyant parrot]

well min-maxing... aside from that my OCD won't let me move to another ship until the 1st one is done

[zenith tundra]

good luck spending 1.5months on 1 ship then

[wicked rivet]

^

[buoyant parrot]

[wicked rivet]

that wont work

start all of them at once

[zenith tundra]

"All buffs mentioned above are only effective to max limit breaked ships, will NOT be effective in exercises."

this is trash

it was about the faction bonuses

i was looking forward to that but it's useless i guess

[modern tree]

yeah, tech level is really a whatever mechanic

[elder crane]

Makes giving PvE advice to newer people more difficult for us longer-term players

Though idk how much effect it really has

[zenith tundra]

just don't level it up

[elder crane]

Do you confirm dev level ups, or are automatically credited with them?

[zenith tundra]

31fp for a sakura bb not that bad tbh

[elder crane]

maybe time to scrap my collection of mlb ships

[modern tree]

you get one stat for collecting ship and one stat for putting it at lvl 120

[finite valve]

tech tree is a confirm upgrade thing

so if you don't want to use the function then don't lvl up

[zenith tundra]

costs money and time to level up

"Fleet Tech and Faction Tech"

You can strengthen your fleet by leveling each faction's Tech Level.
You can level up a faction's "Tech Level" by gathering faction-specific Tech Points.
You can confirm each faction's "Tech Points" and its buffs by tapping on a faction banner.
After gathering enough "Tech Points", you can spend gold (and time) to increase the "Tech Level".
When the faction "Tech Level" is increased, all ships belonging to that faction will receive a buff. Different factions have different focus of buffs.
All buffs mentioned above are only effective to max limit breaked ships, will NOT be effective in exercises.

[finite valve]

also wtf is the fate simulation thing?

so they basically add luck stat for prs?

[elder crane]

After 343 used to up the ship, use 150 more for +15 luck and enhanced skill

[finite valve]

wonder if that going to help anything

don't have PR2 and here we have all of the PR2 function

[elder crane]

1.5% evasion rate, 1.5% hit rate, a bit of crit chance

and some of the skill enhances are pretty impactful

Biggest change on Izumo skill

[finite valve]

just mean more time to max a ship

[elder crane]

half the shots turn from AP to Normal ammo

[finite valve]

this function was meant for JP CN who already got like 200+ bp lying around

not to a fresh start EN

[elder crane]

Rest are kinda meh
Louis speed boost 40->50s
Neptune gets another 5% on her AP damage skill

Roon gets barrage and shields as soon as enters battle

Monarch gets a bit more heal

[wicked rivet]

~~5% or 15%?~~nvm

[finite valve]

sadly shield don't stop torp

lel

also tech point in EN is going to start at 110 or 120?

since i was under the impression that 120 was the max?

[elder crane]

Ibuki gets an eva boost on torp launch or something like that

[wicked rivet]

120 is the max

[elder crane]

Tech points definitely after lv120 release

[wicked rivet]

but EN only has 110

[elder crane]

I don't think you need any ships at 120 for PR2 at least if you have all event ships

I've already have most SR MLB, and over half of all ships MLB I'm pretty sure

[finite valve]

i thought you only get point when a ship reach 120?

[elder crane]

No, collecting ship, MLB, 120, all 3 give some

[finite valve]

well at least horder has a reason to horde now

[empty sinew]

lol, getting tech points early when it ain't even usable in pvp, 120 ain't released, and there's no hard content to benefit from it

[wicked rivet]

all the useless botes that I've been LBing will finally be able to contribute

[elder crane]

high lv ships give a lot, sorta

[wicked rivet]

do it

[elder crane]

not compared to how much you invested, but still

[wicked rivet]

she's fackin dead

i cant believe it

thats beautiful

[finite valve]

not #trophy-room

[empty sinew]

cuz it's a misery, not a trophy

[wicked rivet]

fakkyu

[finite valve]

eh i count around 5 or 6 of them in trophy lel

[elder crane]

Where's the ring man

[wicked rivet]

^

[finite valve]

tfw you don't know you can't get ring back

[elder crane]

oh, fake news then?

[finite valve]

lel

[empty sinew]

the ring got mixed with the oil already

[wicked rivet]

[elder crane]

that's his second copy

[zenith tundra]

roon procs her shields at the start too not only barrage? that sounds pretty good

[elder crane]

Yeah, Roon's is a pretty big upgrade imo

Neptune's especially is meh
And Monarch's too, to some degree

And has it been confirmed that Izumo's isn't a downgrade in some situations?

[zenith tundra]

damage is damage so it should be fine for nep

[modern tree]

Nep gets 5% extra damage. thats insaaaaaane

[empty sinew]

[finite valve]

use AP in pvp

lel

[modern tree]

I am not joking, combine that with QE buff and her own buff

[zenith tundra]

ap cl is not bad

[elder crane]

Nep is +5% more on her skill, not as a separate mod

so it's not as good as +5% gun/barrage damage

[modern tree]

and obviously you'd use AP gun for pvp, you want to proc her barrage faster

CL AP guns generally shoot faster than HE

[zenith tundra]

with that skill is ap>>he

[elder crane]

Not a 5% though, less than that

[empty sinew]

her hair is ap colored

[elder crane]

since it's additive

also probably additive with +15% CL PvP damage boost

if that works like +% damage skills

[zenith tundra]

isn't that bonus ammo buff tho?

[elder crane]

Ammo buffs work like damage buffs

Not 2%, she's have to reach over +100% damage for that

3.5% or so in my quick estimate, probably a bit less

Well, if you clean out shop anyways, w/e
Not like they're more useful now than a few days later

[zenith tundra]

33k pts

that's all i brought

+2 money

the problem is the amount of runs u need to do of sp4

way too many

[elder crane]

120 will make akaga weaker than it is now, relatively speaking

I don't think the 3-ship mobs fleets ch12 uses foxes, only in some 4-ship ones

[zenith tundra]

i'll wait for sandy kai for w12

cv dmg on bosses

[elder crane]

Pretty sure they aren't very good high-map bossers

[modern tree]

I mean, Nagato with foxes and some tanky frontline probably clears pretty fast

[elder crane]

Better off with BBs for boss-killing, on the damage end

[zenith tundra]

i used lvl 105 akaga in w11 and gave up and used hms instead lol

[coral wren]

Goddamn Namagiryuu is so brutal.

Hiryuu's airstrike was just a bit too fast for the pause button. RIP

[finite valve]

my rule of thumb is that if my VG all die and their back line HP is more then mine i reset

since i am still using amakaga

[coral wren]

I really wish PvP in AL were more balanced. It's really disappointing that 99% of competitive fleets use the same ships.

[finite valve]

tell that to any competitive game in general

except for maybe dota

[halcyon hill]

PvP could use a nice rework

[finite valve]

that just going to incentive meta fleet

[halcyon hill]

Also the only way to get to the top is by sandbagging, which doesnt feel skillful but tedious and down to luck most of the times

[finite valve]

ain't going to happen

[hot creek]

well then, I must be the luckiest person here for getting #1 rank every season.

[finite valve]

the more reward you add for a ranked ladder the more it going to push meta

no way around it

[neon aspen]

What aux gear should I put on Nagato?

[finite valve]

i would use beaver + SG radar

nagato mid too paper against foxes

[neon aspen]

Okay I’ll stick to two SGs. I’m still working towards Beaver Badges

[finite valve]

also once you get the gold rudder from PR use that + SG radar

[trim horizon]

wait, are we getting PR1 buff ?

with that fate simul thingy

feelsgood

[vague token]

that is a lot of bps

=/

like

50% more

[elder crane]

The difference it makes for the PvP meta ships isn't too large, thankfully

[vague token]

i think roon and ibuki get the most

for pvp

[elder crane]

Louis imo for ones that are actually good in PvP
Monarch extra heal is w/e, Nep gets a bit extra damage
Louis gets an extra 10 s on her evasion/speed skill

[vague token]

does anything land between 40 and 50 that she benefits from having the evasion from?

i dunno what durability is like that far in xD

and the speed part is always on right?

[modern tree]

fox bomb drop

[elder crane]

2nd normal CV strike, and I'm sure a barrage or two

[vague token]

ah ok

[modern tree]

usually it would expire right before the second strike hits

[vague token]

you get used to foxes existing forever and forget that other cvs strike later

xD

[elder crane]

Is fox 2nd strike that slow?

[vague token]

isnt fox 2nd around 32?

although nagato pushes that forward i imagine

if you use her

[modern tree]

I am misreading my notes

its 32-33

so does nothing for foxes

[elder crane]

Yeah, that makes more sense

2nd Hiryuu/ other normal CV, 3rd 381 Nagato/381 other BB/BC I think are ones that fall in that window

[vague token]

yeah

[elder crane]

3rd 410 Amagi might as well

and ofc 2nd 406 on non-Amagi BB/BC

[vague token]

does the reload boost on nagato push her before 20 with 406?

i dont think it does

but i dont want to math

xD

[elder crane]

Not sure if Louis makes it that far reliably though at lv 110 especially

[vague token]

she wont be 110 for a while

cause dev level limits?

[elder crane]

Dev level doesn't cap ship lv

[vague token]

oh ok

power level the pr boats on theoretical biscuit event

xD

[raw osprey]

https://gyazo.com/8a24fcc5db0e61432d07a6223a905eed

[hot creek]

true invuln

Hiryuu > Enty confirmed

[vague token]

i saw that guy earlier

xD

[grave gale]

Get your pr ship and stick them in the dorm. They'll be 110 by the time you can rank 30 them.

[zenith tundra]

9/10 8min left and list still dead

don't people play pvp?

[craggy cove]

oh shit

5 minutes left, 5 pvps to get through

[zenith tundra]

maybe nakaga can do it

[craggy cove]

My akaga is at 90

running nagato/amagi/hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu is consistent at least

[craggy cove]

is that what we're calling it?

[zenith tundra]

pretty much yes

[craggy cove]

2 more fights, 3 minutes

[zenith tundra]

lol

i put her off tank because mirror but she didn't die

[craggy cove]

just gotta avoid Enterprise opponents

[zenith tundra]

i find mirror to be worst matchup for namaryuu

[craggy cove]

Enterprise because lucky E RNG makes fight last longmer

damn

I missed one

[zenith tundra]

rank 274 with 10/10... dead pvp season again i guess

kamita and vysaga already top 100 at 10/10 lol

[wheat rivet]

What aux should I be using on jintsuu/aya/yuki?

[craggy cove]

other than rainbow torp stick idk

[wheat rivet]

is that actually best?

[zenith tundra]

torp? sendai is better then aya actually

jintsuu sendai yukikaze should be better torp comp

[wheat rivet]

I figured +500 hp from toolbox would be worth more than increasing aya's torp by <20%

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze over aya just for defensive buffs

[vague token]

cls get a damage boost, and are tankier than aya

and they have good efficiency

and utility

xD

[wheat rivet]

just got sendai, so I need to level her

[craggy cove]

I still dont even have jintsuu

[vague token]

what will naka kai get

if jintsuu gets a bigger buff, sendai gets flare

[wheat rivet]

What about swapping aya for aurora?

[zenith tundra]

sendai with jintsuu torp dmg is better then aya just a lower hit chance

[vague token]

what could naka even get

[wheat rivet]

for now

[zenith tundra]

how many dildos do u have @wheat rivet

[wheat rivet]

3

[vague token]

[wheat rivet]

who gets the pearl and what about beaver badge?

[zenith tundra]

beaver on main fleet and pearl on aya

jintsuu with bulge oxy

yukikaze oxy boiler

aya tear boiler/oxy

that's how i would set it up

[wheat rivet]

replace SG radar or high standard fire control radar on nagato?

[zenith tundra]

sg

i'll try this for a bit to see how it works

wtf rng is this?

5 sec to kill all enemy vg

[vague token]

gotta go fast

nothing like stacking multipliers together xD

[zenith tundra]

and ofc it's inconsistent af

[vague token]

woo!

[wheat rivet]

I miss when I could afk all 10 dailies and almost never lose. current meta feels like torp RNG decides if you need to restart =/

[zenith tundra]

that is why i never run torp

just leave it to ur main fleet and use defensive vg

[wheat rivet]

WTB sakura gunboat CLs

[zenith tundra]

gunboats in pvp

[buoyant parrot]

gah getting matched up with pleb ships

i want super stronk people!!! where I can do more experiments!

[zenith tundra]

i gave up on that

[vague token]

no one has moved after 2 hours

[zenith tundra]

just gonna wait 1 month for people to catch up

[vague token]

=/

[buoyant parrot]

this is stupid

[zenith tundra]

i got a +1 this reset but after that i don't see getting more

[buoyant parrot]

this people are like Lv80+ but why are their PvP ships pathetic as fuck

[zenith tundra]

that is because def fleets are for memeing

[buoyant parrot]

please bring me back pvp people here on my list please

[vague token]

xD

[buoyant parrot]

I've spent all my 10 attacks without even landing to a full oath fleet

[zenith tundra]

also the amount of people that play pvp seem to have gone down quite a bit

[vague token]

soon even avrora will be a pvp wasteland

like the rest

xD

you get one + score at the beginning

and then never again

get sandbaggers every refresh

[buoyant parrot]

i think its about time Azur Lane should do something about the PvP... They need to do some changes to it

[zenith tundra]

at least sandbaggers use their attempts before going to sleep

[vague token]

technically

it has been time for them to do something about pvp since en release

[ionic magnet]

cmon guys its too early in the season

[vague token]

aka better merit shop items

[ionic magnet]

its always been like this

[vague token]

and mechanics

and like 50 gems for 1st place

[zenith tundra]

i saw kamita and vysaga top 100 already....

[buoyant parrot]

I was so excited to what CEO-Chan said about the guild contents but having to see what's the situation of PvP in Avrora it makes me think twice. I think they should focus on PvP for once Update/Revamp/Fix

I've run my 10 attempts with my Lv109 Purin on my fleet and won... this is just how pathetic my list are...

[vague token]

i mean, they could also just remove all the hidden modifiers

buff up hp so rng becomes less important

and make healing not scale with hp

to nerf juneau

xD

[zenith tundra]

what am i suppose to do with this

[ionic magnet]

actually having meme def fleets early in the season is better for us sandbaggers

[vague token]

get quick finishers obviously

[ionic magnet]

so lower geared peeps can still climb somehow

[buoyant parrot]

I think we should advice people here

to use meme fleet 1st 4 days of the season

[zenith tundra]

[buoyant parrot]

so pathetic people can climb up

[ionic magnet]

[buoyant parrot]

so we can sandbag at the 5th day

[zenith tundra]

either people use good comps or they should just lose in pvp

[buoyant parrot]

i think that would be recommendable for us since big events keep on coming and people are losing interest on PvP when they see PRO line up fleets they get intimidated

[zenith tundra]

as much as i hate fighting namaryuu i wish everyone would set that as def fleet

[buoyant parrot]

I'd rather see a list of 200 people using Namaryuu than this pathetic purple back lines and some unoath bull craps

[vague token]

no resets, 10x hp, no hidden modifiers, symmetric map

and win/loss ratio with elo

boom

add gud stuf to merit store

and 50 gems for 1st, 25 for top 10

=D

[ionic magnet]

remove charge counts too cos why not

[zenith tundra]

merit shop is worse thing about pvp tbh

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

well yeah

with elo

you dont need charges

it's all about how your fleet performs on average

xD

[ionic magnet]

yea

[vague token]

especially with 10x hp

rng is diminished

over a long fight

and foxes fail to speed run since the fight goes on so long

[ionic magnet]

but that wont happen cos thats too tryhard for this game sadly

[zenith tundra]

are we going back to this?

[vague token]

no, delusion is over

it'll pop up in a month

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

not 1 thing changed in pvp from release from what i know. unless they decide to completely rebuild it i don't see that changing

and everyone saying defense fleet don't matter doesn't help with the meme comps

[shy hazel]

once 10 scores hit

its time to

use real fleets

[zenith tundra]

if people would use meme comps for offense i would be fine with them using them on defense too

[ionic magnet]

or you know they can just give bonus pts whenever your def fleet wins

just give a reason to use serious fleets in def

[shy hazel]

imagine u

[vague token]

i mean an elo system would do +winner -loser right

[shy hazel]

losing points everytime your def loses

[ionic magnet]

[hot creek]

thats how it is in fire emblem heroes

encourage everyone to put up the most cancerous defense team

[finite valve]

if they add that function then they should remove reset to be fair lel

[hot creek]

yeah they would have to completely revamp the whole system of course

[vague token]

i finally got a +1

3 hours in

someone moved lol

[hot creek]

I got nuthin

but i can't complain cause I got +4 last reset

[vague token]

nani

[trim horizon]

does Ibuki perform well in pvp ?

[finite valve]

if you use torp VG sure

[trim horizon]

so jun,ibuki and jint

[finite valve]

might work but i think ayaya is better for full torp autism

[vagrant veldt]

pretty much have to bring Aurora

[finite valve]

not really a must since if you can't nuke a ship on first exchange then you pretty much going to lose the match anyway

[vague token]

sadly jintsuu doesnt even buff her

so she just works solo xD

[finite valve]

either ayaya or kangero work

[trim horizon]

oh lmao

[vague token]

only torp buff for ibuki is who

leipzig?

xD

[finite valve]

too weak

[elder crane]

Kagerou works

Also debuff like tanikaze works

[finite valve]

yeh was thinking of her

tanikaze kagero and ibuki

full torp autism lel

[vagrant veldt]

if only just about 1 torpedo hit from her, it's basically no debuff

[finite valve]

if you lucky 5 fucking wave of torps

gg.com

not to mention tanikaze proc

well if you can't beat them with quality then just burry them with quantity

[trim horizon]

mmh, if she's only torp meme then im going to stick with SL

[vague token]

xD

[gaunt chasm]

each pvp reset is 5 attempts right?

[trim horizon]

y

[hot creek]

affirmative.

[vague token]

yes

[gaunt chasm]

cause i somehow thought theres 1 reset that gives 10..

[zenith tundra]

u don't really buff ibuki u use her as 3rd with juneau yukikaze

her dmg is good enough tanks to crits

[vagrant veldt]

Ibuki is core of torpedo vanguards with Aurora as support

but torpedo vanguards usually aren't used for attacking

[vague token]

oh i mean she's just a solo torpedo since no one else buffs her anyways xD

[trim horizon]

Namagi+WS-Kai(when she get released) and Ibuki/aurora/ykkz as VG could work then ? Ibuki as the 4th IJN to trigger Amagi first main salvo

[zenith tundra]

i'm not sold on using aurora ever without foxes tbh but ibuki should be best choice for that 4th ijn slot

[blazing scroll]

If ws kai is out, I will probably use Juneau, Sandy Kai, Saint Louis

[zenith tundra]

none of those have any relation to namagi tbh

yukikaze is more consistent in ws kai meta then just using juneau

sandy kai is pointless since ws kai 1 shoots foxes

and saint louis is whatever for namagi ws kai

carried by torp vg

[real notch]

Just finished testing against bluerendar, pretty good data for sheffield tiering

Bluerendar (nagato, hiryuu, amagi | sheffield, juneau, ykkz) 13.3/12.8
Current fleet (nagato, hiryuu, amagi | belfast, juneau, ykkz) 13.3/12.8

Game 1 - loss
Game 2 - loss
Game 3 - win
Game 4 - win
Game 5 - loss
Game 6 - loss
Game 7 - win
Game 8 - win
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - win

Overall 60% winrate ish? Procs in this 10 game test were pretty balanced. Interesting how we both have identical placing for hiryuu, (i recently moved her top bc i noticed that preserves my amagi a little better) conclusion is sheffield is either equal to belfast or better against non-fox fleets

[zenith tundra]

how many times did u lose a main fleet before juneau died mid?

[real notch]

Either 1 or none

Juneau timing was perfect for both fleets

[vague token]

the longer the fight goes the more obvious sheffield's advantage is

[leaden jay]

If it's an odd number between Bofers and Twin 113, which one should be the one with an extra?

and is there any need to balance Bofers w/ 113mm for front and back?

[real notch]

I think the last thing i need to do is test against ur fleet zack

And compare my winrates vs u and bluerendar

Im thinking my winrates vs you would be higher, which would be evidence showing sheffield is above belfast in this current meta that is slowly shifting from foxes

@leaden jay bofors for your first question, and yes for your second - you need to have a somewhat viable aa circle even when your VG dies, so having a good balance between frontline and backline ships is key

[leaden jay]

Okay, thanks

[real notch]

[shy hazel]

one ufo front one ufo back

4 bofors

[zenith tundra]

if u still have blue in ur list u could test nakaga against sheffield

im curious how much u win more against that

idk about non fox meta since they are still like 80% of non meme comps u met

[vague token]

sheffield does have more AA than belfast

so she isnt a slouch against foxes

[zenith tundra]

extra aa over 300 is like almost no dmg reduction because of diminishing returns and u have to compare a 35% dmg reduction from planes and evasion vs 15% dmg reduction

[vague token]

shh

she has a gun

[outer stump]

Yo what gun do you guys use for Yukikaze?

[zenith tundra]

76mm is bis. twin 100 is for better aa (and fleet power memes)

[outer stump]

Well I don't have any 76mm prints left soo

[zenith tundra]

u can just open some extra t3 uss boxes and farming 5 bps should be that hard.

[vague token]

im just sitting on 250+ t3 boxes of each faction

i wish we could directly convert them to plates in mass

[blazing scroll]

Or gold boxes

Even with horrible rates I would still do it

[real notch]

Whats ykkz dps breakdown of twin 100mm and 76mm?

Does anyone have it

[half iron]

1166 8/10 meh

[violet comet]

finally the HMS fleet is coming closer

duke/qe/WS backline, juneau/leander-retro/belfast

[modern tree]

ha ha ha

[violet comet]

any tips for it?

[modern tree]

yeah, don't get your hopes up

[ionic magnet]

^

LOL

[buoyant parrot]

@violet comet this is all what we can say about HMS
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit#gid=0

[modern tree]

While HMS will not have any issues dealing with Foxes, Wasd, or any other off meta trash, I am still investigating a way for the lineup to have at least a decent winrate against Nagato Amagi +1

which is the main threat atm

[violet comet]

The waifus will prevail

Or ill just swutch

To my own amagi nagato

LOL

@buoyant parrot tytytu

[modern tree]

actually, I should probably do some testing for HMS now that I have Tobi on my list

I forgot about that.

[ionic magnet]

no more bulin on def?

[modern tree]

he never had bulins on def, he is just saying shit hoping I will get mad

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[violet comet]

that excel sheet helped a lot

thanks a lot y'all

at least i got Hood at a reasonable place

or is dork a decent replacement?

or should I just not replace hood? LOL

[modern tree]

If you want to play HMS then Hood is irreplacable

there does not exist a single HMS boat that is better than her until tomorrow

where she will become second best (in terms of pvp), so you will still use her

[violet comet]

so when Ill get monarch

will I replace doy/ws with her?

[modern tree]

I am strongly suspecting that QE, Monarch, Hood will be the best HMS backline

also

ha ha ha ha ha

[violet comet]

good-o

LOOL

thanks for the advice

ill continue to level up hood and QE, then

and juneau and ykkz

in 1 month they should be ready anyway

[midnight heron]

if u're gonna use boiler on ykk then do u give up toolkit or extinguisher

[vagrant veldt]

tool kit

[midnight heron]

ic thx

[elder crane]

If you give up extinguisher, one single BB shot fire does over half her HP

With it, it's only about a quarter

[vagrant veldt]

extinguisher has always been good in PVP

[elder crane]

Massive consistency boost for using ext

[midnight heron]

so im assuming dats true even for cruiser?

[elder crane]

Those tend to not live that long

And also have higher base HP to absorb it
Not a bad choice, but not as necessary as on ykkz

[midnight heron]

ah ok

[vagrant veldt]

just CL usually carry boilers

[midnight heron]

do boiler effects die out if the ship sinks tho

[modern tree]

Man, I am not sure what the fuck is with Amagi barrage but I have games where Nagato procs twice in a row and doesnt do shit, but Amagi hits one barrage and its fucking over

[midnight heron]

rip

[elder crane]

Nagato barrage tends to get eaten by vanguard

If that is still alive

[modern tree]

Nagato barrage tends to do nothing*

I don't really see it making much of an impact unless VG is on her face

Amagi barrage can hit the VG in the opening and erase like half of their HP just like that, and then you lose. Big 7 just flies by, gets evaded by flagship and its as if nothing really happened

[midnight heron]

does beaver tag die out if ship sinks as well

since it also affect move spd

[vagrant veldt]

effect stays

[elder crane]

Hitting into belfast smoke is likely the cause of that

[vagrant veldt]

if the ships carrying it sinks

[modern tree]

I dont use Belfast

[midnight heron]

well dats interesting

[elder crane]

And confirmation bias
Unless Nagato isn't running 2+hit and Amagi is

[modern tree]

I mean, I just played like 27 games against this team, its not confirmation bias, its patter recognition

[midnight heron]

well great just ate a +9 for testing boiler

[violet comet]

on belfast, save from rainbow dildo, should I add a boiler?

[modern tree]

Sure Amagi is more likely to have 2 +ACC items in this lineup, but big 7 only ever does something if it lands both arrows on the VG and it never seems to do that if you have enough speed. Amagi slams whatever she targets for like 75% of their HP with her barrage and the only thing keeping her in check is how fucking random her targets are

Game starts, Amagi fires barrage at VG and hits, wow I lost

[violet comet]

how come that on

namahyuu

aurora aint recommended?

[vagrant veldt]

should be good to counter Yukikaze

[violet comet]

plus it should help nagato?

and ofc amagi

[elder crane]

BBs don't have as many hit% issues as CVs though

[zenith tundra]

nagato is inconsistent af. i would NOT build around her barrage

[modern tree]

Nagato buffs ACC of herself and Amagi and you can cover rest with items. Aurora is turbo redundant

[steep fog]

what would u ditch for aurora?

belfast?

[violet comet]

thats why Im asking

no need for the lul

[zenith tundra]

anything that keeps vg alive more

[violet comet]

@modern tree thanks for the answer

[half iron]

y'all run some weird fleets

[zenith tundra]

[violet comet]

[ionic magnet]

i dont recall amagi barrage being that op. it takes off 15-20% of VG hp at most even if they ate it in the face

[steep fog]

theres still evasion...

[zenith tundra]

with hyuuga amagi gets a nakaga fox down to 40-50% hp but that is with full fp buffs. i would guess if u don't run amagi for the fp debuff her barrage could be that deadlier on other stuff

[ionic magnet]

thats on def or off?

[zenith tundra]

off ofc

[ionic magnet]

cos im talking abt def

[vagrant veldt]

hiryuu 120 has CV accuracy +2 in fleet tech

[zenith tundra]

are u using amagi for offense?

[ionic magnet]

cos of what dax said

[zenith tundra]

my point is without amagi debuff on offense and hitting every shoot of her barrage she hits pretty hard

[modern tree]

I mean, obviously I do not have Amagi in my HMS comp. The thing is that your VG basically has to stop , or walk into all the projectiles, and thats after she decides to target the VG and not a ship diagonally across the screen from her, because she also tends to do this shit. If she hits all the plunging projectiles + her own shots, you lost tho. There is no recovery.

Nagato Barrage is barely noticeable in those fights

It's just gambling vs Amagi barrage targetting, and evasion she gives

it's really fucking unfun

[zenith tundra]

if opponent using hsfcr on amagi it would make sense

[steep fog]

oh well

[elder crane]

I suppose HMS is more reliant on its VG surviving then
Amagi hasn't really been that much of a match decider in the Namayuu mirror

[ionic magnet]

right. HMS.

[steep fog]

amagi for me is just quick snipe one of the backline

[elder crane]

In fact her targeting vanguard in that matchup I'm pretty sure is actively bad

[steep fog]

I run double sg on amagi cos no hsfcr

[modern tree]

HMS has always been and probably always will be from now on "you lose your vg you lose the game". Their AA is garbage and if I do not have VG to tank bombs from Hiryuu extra strike I just eat shit. It's the same for the mirror. If you could wipe the VG super fast then you would because then Hiryuu just wins

[elder crane]

Well, less so once WSkai releases

but that's far off
and arguably a different team given how unlike the current HMS it is

[modern tree]

I mean, it will be the same after WS kai, except you will be fighting 6v5 and it will probably be easier to not care

[elder crane]

WSkai will pop off main fleet ships 1 by 1, especially in a HMS fleet since her targeting affects all HMS BB/BCs
That's the wincon of that team, somewhat ignore vanguard and just directly kill main first

[half iron]

what's WS

[elder crane]

Warspite

[half iron]

oh

[zenith tundra]

is aurora not viable as vg for hms?

[vagrant veldt]

I think Aurora is harder to fit in

unlike Amagi Nagato who has much more freedom since their backline is very strong

[modern tree]

I mean, I was thinking about it, but the problem is not evasion, its hitting shells at all

Centaur when

[vagrant veldt]

HMS relies on their vanguard to be really hard to kill

[zenith tundra]

hope soon enough tbh

neptune is coming

[vagrant veldt]

Been thinking of replacing Saint Louis for Neptune

but Aurora is scary

[zenith tundra]

in en the amount of aurora is like non existent

barely some nakagas/amakagas use her

[half iron]

neptune aurora juneau with nagato amagi hiryuu kai

[vagrant veldt]

attacking, that fleet would work

[elder crane]

Neptune might also be better at 110, where CA evasion scaling hasn't fully kicked in
I'm not convinced of it yet, but we'll see

[vagrant veldt]

since the backline is so strong

[random vault]

are u ready for ppprrrrr

[zenith tundra]

no one almost will have 110 maxed neptune tbh

[vagrant veldt]

Neptune's AA is really good

[zenith tundra]

all hms will go for monarch

[random vault]

i feel like most ppl will go for monarch or sanrui first

[half iron]

I am definitely going for yeptune

love some zombies

[vagrant veldt]

annoying that her barrage upgrade is at 30

[elder crane]

Does centaur even launch with the right timing for BBs to use her speed debuff?

[vagrant veldt]

might be usable in PVP before 30 since barrage hit rate in PVP is quite miserable

Centaur has really high reload

guaranteed before BBs

unless they are 410 or faster

[elder crane]

Neptune barrage is a huge spread btw, so not as much issue

[vagrant veldt]

then they might not catch the slow on first shot

[elder crane]

Last I checked Centaur doesn't hit her torpedoes for the slow before mk6 1st set of shots at least
Unless you really gimp her plane loadout

She's not on-launch slow like ark is

[zenith tundra]

at lvl 100 centaur launch time with vf-17 and 2 cudas is 20.4 with max oath

[elder crane]

Time to torpedo hits for the slow is an additional few seconds on top of that

[zenith tundra]

down to 19.5s at lvl 120 max oath

[vagrant veldt]

around 19.5 for 120 Centaur

[elder crane]

~2 s til torps hit, so window for slow is about 22-28 s

[vagrant veldt]

+3s to connect

120 BB mk6 generally around 20s

[elder crane]

That's, what, tail end of 1st 406, 2nd 381, maybe just catches first few shots of 2nd 410

[vagrant veldt]

ummm... maybe last time I checked with CVs

[elder crane]

for first strike

[vagrant veldt]

but the damage buff is there

[zenith tundra]

with centaur i think doy should be more desirable then hood then. since hood and monarch would never benefit from that window

[vagrant veldt]

kick the queen out?

the evasion and AA buff is still quite desirable

there are 3 monster ships in HMS

[zenith tundra]

if centaur + doy can wipe vg then i see no problem with kicking out qe

[vagrant veldt]

have to consider bringing Aurora

[half iron]

tfw you open an ironblood box and it flashes for gold item

and it's quint mag....

[zenith tundra]

gold quint is far from a bad item

[half iron]

lol

I have two gold quints now

single gold quad ...

[hybrid tendon]

been having problem with that namaryuu dogshit

still, i beat it

you gotta have big balls

[buoyant parrot]

so 3 hours from now we should get a notice of what the secret surprise is

[hybrid tendon]

Plot twist

its Yamato

[zenith tundra]

wait u mean mysterious ship aka bismark?

[hybrid tendon]

and its the 15th

not 5th

[zenith tundra]

they will announce the ship way before release tho

[hybrid tendon]

nuh uh

not 10 days ahead

[zenith tundra]

monarch announcement on 13th april... research hits en 5th may

22 days before release

even without the 9 days extra delay it's 13 days

[vagrant veldt]

which channel are these advance announcements from

I thought someone mentioned there would be announcement in 3hrs

[zenith tundra]

oh u meant @buoyant parrot thing

only he knows i guess

[buoyant parrot]

wait what

im confuse

😂

[zenith tundra]

https://discordapp.com/channels/456397991847395339/516951413411020819/574251960644009984

[buoyant parrot]

oh yeah

didn;t they mentioned we where supposed to get something secret thingy?

is that the brisko already?

[zenith tundra]

idk what u are talking about tbh

[buoyant parrot]

where did did red that

hold on I'll back read some patch

MID-MAY

and what is that shit

is that the PR's?

[zenith tundra]

that's supposed to be bismark but why are we getting to know her today?

[buoyant parrot]

oohhh

sorry I forgot it was said Mid-May until I red it again just now

I was expecting that mystery thing will be part of the May 5 Maintenance

until it said there mid-may

😂

[zenith tundra]

more events since we only have 2 of them at the same time

[buoyant parrot]

right

[zenith tundra]

i think next week we'll know if it's bismark

[vague token]

i suppose getting +2 this reset isnt bad

[zenith tundra]

i got +2 too

[vague token]

i just noticed the faction tech are all flat buffs

so the ships with lowest stats get more out of them

xD

[zenith tundra]

if they would work in pvp...

[vague token]

that would be annoying for mix fleets like me

X_x

[zenith tundra]

i don't think u choose them

u just activate them and they work all at the same time

u just choose who to level based on what u have

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

the luck increase is not all at once for pr i guess one less reason to farm the extra 165 bps after u finish dev 30

Faction Technology strengthens shipgirls (regardless of faction) in your fleet through stat bonuses given through the Tech Level of the 4 main factions

u get bonuses from factions but for everyone

not only specific faction

[vague token]

oh

just based on the faction

[zenith tundra]

the bonuses are based on faction but for everyone

[vague token]

gotcha

so eventually they'll all stack

isnt that a lot of hp actually

xD

it's a big boost to destroyers for everyone lol

[zenith tundra]

not really

seems like every nation is based on 1/2 stats

[vague token]

oh ok

themed maybe, sakura torps eagle aa kinda thing?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Research

there are all bonuses here

[vague token]

xD

oh that's not a lot

[zenith tundra]

@leaden sequoia do u know if all levels stack or just highest activates?

[vague token]

actually looking at this table, the evade boost on battlecruisers is a good % increase

at max level 5 evade for all battlecruisers

amagi evade =D

[zenith tundra]

doesn't work in pvp so a meh bonus at best

[vague token]

true

actually wont these bonuses help when leveling new ships a lot?

minus hp

[zenith tundra]

can't seem to find anyone that knows anything about faction technology...

that could explain a bit better

[vague token]

rip

[safe meteor]

hi

what are good IJN pvp vanguard ships? dont have yukikaze sadly

[vague token]

jintsuu/sendai

both ideally

with aurora as a general evade debuff

[safe meteor]

only farmable from chapter 10-4 and 11-3?

so not buildable

guess i need to rush clear there first

how hard is it?

oooof

yea

i also got Ayaya Kai and Mogami Kai, they good to add ?

[zenith tundra]

mogami kai pve only. her dmg is lower then belfast and she doesn't offer anything

[safe meteor]

i see

so i guess those two + ayaya kai then?

[modern tree]

have you actually played with Mogami?

[safe meteor]

me? yea

[modern tree]

I mean Zack, he tends to exaggerate

[vague token]

mogami kai is a great pver

but not so great at pvp

[vague token]

oh god

[zenith tundra]

all of them are like this

doesn't matter if she's alive or dead

[vague token]

she's clearly designed around pve with her skills xD

[safe meteor]

need to hit 5 torps to get the buff too, that sounds terrible for pvp?

but belfast is not IJN?

she still good for Nagato fleet?

[zenith tundra]

full ijn vg is a meme

[vague token]

belfast will always stick around as long as foxes exist

[safe meteor]

what?

[vague token]

but personally i like sheffield more

[safe meteor]

so bring 5x IJN + Belfast then

[vague token]

she has a gun

[safe meteor]

?

[zenith tundra]

juneau for namagi and aurora for nakaga are better then any ijn ships

[safe meteor]

even with Nagato buff?

[vague token]

nagato buff does more for backlines than it does for vanguard

20% reload on 180+ reload

is like

.5 seconds saved at best

xD

[safe meteor]

ah i see

but FP?

also acc?

[vague token]

vanguard can only do damage when saint louis says hi

with her 35% he buff lol

[safe meteor]

ah yea

[vague token]

most of the time ykk will be doing the most damage for vgs

[safe meteor]

no tanking ability

[vague token]

because she doesnt die

dead ships do 0 dps

[zenith tundra]

if she would buff torp i would use ijn torp vg

[safe meteor]

so is it better to run HMS fleet then?

[vague token]

you dont run full fleets

4 at the most usually

maybe 5

[safe meteor]

oh

so we wait for QE retro?

oh yea

[vague token]

even hms will still run juneau

[safe meteor]

oh that too

[vague token]

there is not a single faction that runs 6

xD

[zenith tundra]

u use 4 ijn for amagi cd reduction pass that there is no real reason

[safe meteor]

so, whats a good team to run ?

amagi from event?

[zenith tundra]

there is only 1 amagi

[safe meteor]

dont have her atm

where you get Amagi from?

oh

Nagaka, already running that

but i need a vanguard

i was first thinking IJN vanguard to go with Nagato skill

[shell heron]

Juneau/Yukikaze/Belfast like many of us

[safe meteor]

i see

dont have Yuki sadly

yea i know

i always hear, yuki, but i dont have yuki

alright

how hard is 10-4 compared to 8-4?

8-4 i was able to 2:1, 10-4a huge diff jump?

[shell heron]

that's 2 chapters up. the difficulty will for sure go up

[safe meteor]

so black sp hard?

i also needed full fleet to beat the boss there

no

black sp

from event

8-4 is easy to 2:1

and 1:1 on everything else

[shell heron]

10 min warning til next PvP reset

[safe meteor]

but is it like black sp?

it ate my oil

any requirements?

[modern tree]

10-4 is a pretty easy boss if you can crush it to safety

[safe meteor]

like do i run 3 battleships?

i had to retry black sp 3 times i think

ok

now i got a goal,

go to 10-4

[vague token]

dear god sara you just whiffed all your shots on a 1 hp boat

reee

[safe meteor]

and a better idea for pvp team

[elder crane]

Black SP as far as I can tell is a bit easier than ch11

[vague token]

i mean the planes still killed

[safe meteor]

i feel like a noob to run full IJN and call it a day

[vague token]

but im triggered

also getting memed on by all these torps so i had to swap out some boilers

for torp bulge

xD

10000% triggered

[safe meteor]

ah btw, what are good farming space for weapons?

[vague token]

lol

[safe meteor]

pvp weapons

got 2 of those

[vague token]

sp4 for belguns

[safe meteor]

from the event

[vague token]

ive gotten 2 belguns from this event farm

[safe meteor]

the event drops belfast guns

yea me too

[vague token]

never got any from 6-2 lol

[safe meteor]

i farmed kizuna event like crazy

and also finally got my belfast guns on top

double motivation

sg radar for pve or also pvp?

ah i see

so i farm for that first

i dont wan to get ambushed every time

[elder crane]

For PvE usually SG+Fire ext for BB/BC

[vague token]

DOUBLE AUTOLOADER jk

[safe meteor]

so no heals?

ah, i heard that was nerfed?

[vague token]

na, bbs take fire extinguisher

because nagato is evil

and sets your flag on fire

(and mutsu)

[safe meteor]

mutsu where?

pvp?

[vague token]

pve mutsu

[elder crane]

Autoloaders were nerfed in CN back when even JP wasn't released iirc
To be exact, reload formula was changed

[safe meteor]

oh

so, sell autoloaders?

or good for some BB?

[elder crane]

They're useful for adjusting reloads to specific timings, otherwise mostly useless

[safe meteor]

i see

[elder crane]

keep a few, I'd say
though I haven't touched mine in months

[safe meteor]

im only in the game for the 2nd month

[vague token]

i keep em on arizona

and the subs

cause subs cant use anything else lol

[safe meteor]

are there some pvp stuff i need to know?

[vague token]

might as well help them launch one more set of torps

[modern tree]

I have one maxed reloader for pve, but for pvp its HFCR or bust

[elder crane]

oxytorp on subs ofc

[vague token]

my oxytorps are occupied

xD

[safe meteor]

i still dont even have a 3 star weapon for subs

[elder crane]

or toolboxes are fine too so they don't just explode at low levels

[safe meteor]

i can only do a few battles a day

how you get sub weapons?

[vague token]

pray

[safe meteor]

ouch

[elder crane]

Nobody has good sub weapons
need to farm SoS maps and pray

[safe meteor]

but subs are pve ?

[elder crane]

Yep, PvE only for now

[vague token]

maybe subs will be in guild war

xD

[safe meteor]

any place for sub talk?

[vague token]

chaser pvp meta bois

or bogue

[safe meteor]

its something i dont really get too much

[elder crane]

Chaser's surprisingly decent as a ship too

[zenith tundra]

u should ask in help but here should be fine too

[safe meteor]

so, i just press the SOS 4x?

and hope it land on some high lvl?

it sometimes send me to ch 3 or 4 for example

instead of the higher chapters

[elder crane]

You need to read up on the SoS mechanics probably

at any signal levels, all maps not 10-SOS have same equip bp drops

[zenith tundra]

the drops are mostly based on the signal strength outside of 10-5 which doesn't have white drops

[elder crane]

10-SOS is the only one with enhanced drops

[safe meteor]

oooooh

[elder crane]

It also doesn't have most blues

[safe meteor]

i got bombarded by useless tutorial when sub came out

[zenith tundra]

u still get blues doesn't make it impossible tbh

[elder crane]

But that also means you gan get gold dub equip from 3-5/4-5

Look at equip drop list, it doesn't drop the blue sub torp bps

[modern tree]

I usually keep low level signals hanging all day so if I get more scans I cant get the chapters that I already have signals in, clear them before bed

[safe meteor]

i see

[elder crane]

only some of the blue ASW stuff is still in the pool

[safe meteor]

i do something similar

[zenith tundra]

10-5 costs a lot of oil for what it gives tbh. lower world might be better overall as cost efficiency

[safe meteor]

its a real rng fest

wish i could just take time to extensively farm for stuff

do you keep a separate team for sub farming?

[elder crane]

I save up to 8, then run a few
if I don't get 10-5 before 4 signals used, I use it all, clearing 10-5 as soon as it pops up
then hang around til they near time out to try to get extra 10-5 runs
if 10-5 pops up early, I just run the maps opened and save back up to 8

[zenith tundra]

i keep a boss fleet with chaser and anti subs charges

[vague token]

eldridge chaser bogue with whoever for my sub boss fleet

cause apparently eldridge has crazy high asw lol

[elder crane]

Laffey imo the best sub killer
High ASW stat and ridiculous reload

[zenith tundra]

javelin 195 asw and eldridge 205

[elder crane]

And not super squishy

[safe meteor]

i also use laffey

for that

[vague token]

eldridge is 1st, fortune is 4th

[hot creek]

wait youre saying chap 3 and 4 and have drop rates as 8 or 9? ive been skipping them all this time cause they always gave me shit whites or blues.

[elder crane]

Usually boss best led by a CL though, to tank torps with torpbulge

[modern tree]

minmaxing for asw fleet seems silly, you can put any 3 DDs together with Chaser + anything and be fine

[safe meteor]

whats good with Eldridge?

[elder crane]

Yep, 3/4 same rate as 8/9

[vague token]

you say that now

but what if we get subs in our guild wars

we'll need all that asw

xD

eldridge will be superior cause she provides defensive options and offensive options ;)

[safe meteor]

for what?

[elder crane]

Idk, i'd just run the ships already good

ykkz ASW is not really any worse

[vague token]

shh

[elder crane]

Juneau also very high ASW, not much behind DDs

[vague token]

it's like, 16 points lower

at 120

that's a TON jk

[elder crane]

And ofc Sandykai when that comes too, since atlanta class has DD ASW stats

[safe meteor]

alright, thanks for all the info btw

[hot creek]

every map below chap 10 you can just use a normal 1:1 fleet for mobbing, don't even need to put asw equips on them. and then a 1:1 with chaser laffey with asw. chaser isnt even necessary

chap 10 is annoying though

since subs start sniping your backline

[elder crane]

I find 10-5 easier with no SoS still, running ykkz and akashi to keep flag up (bonus for 6th ammo from akashi for 6 mob battles in a no-ambush map)

then just DpS everything down

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Given ykkz easily tanking 6 fights no sweat, maybe even vestal could work for extra flag healing
Columbia also prolly works very well

ofc you avoid those 3* BB and CV nodes like the plague

[zenith tundra]

what if u can't

[elder crane]

reload map if too many spawn, usual ch10/11 strats

no chokes in 10-5 either to block you

[safe meteor]

any info when reruns are from event?

i would like to try to get Yukikaze someday

[elder crane]

Yukikaze won't be soon, VDiR might not even rerun anymore with the ships just being added to perma pool with the release of the event token mechanic (or whatever it was called)

[hot creek]

10-5 I go with 2:2, Nagato/Shouhou + Phoenix/Jintsuu with asw for mobbing. and then QE/Hood/Chaser + Laffey for boss. could probably make it cheaper

[arctic imp]

Nakaga are getting annoying

One time one Nagato did Big Seven twice...

[hot creek]

just play namagiryuu and have 100% win rate against them.

[arctic imp]

Naw fam

also I don't have Nagato maxed out, nor wanna max her out

[modern tree]

aah, the classic, I want to be competitive but only my way

[hot creek]

well, that mentality can work in some games but AL isn't really balanced so lul.