pvp

[buoyant parrot]

That's just my Anti Hiryuu

I'm sure I'll be having the Warspite Kai as well

[zenith tundra]

u lose either boiler or fe so rip fire dmg reduction or dodging speed

[buoyant parrot]

can't keep my self occupied by just Hiryuu alone

well dodging speed... VG's dies against Saint Louis anyway not unless you have Roon to counter it...

[vague token]

juneau/louis/ykk fun times

[hybrid tendon]

just use your own saint louis

[buoyant parrot]

lol

[finite valve]

since when did roon become meta?

[hybrid tendon]

oathed at 200 affection

[zenith tundra]

using the aa radar we have with twin 100 gives her 66.5% dmg reduction for aa over 57.6% with only gold aa gun. u coild try that @buoyant parrot

[hybrid tendon]

[buoyant parrot]

@zenith tundra will definitely try later I'm so curious about it

[vague token]

the other nice thing is it gives a bit more aa with pirate buff

probably not a lot

but it's a bit

xD

[buoyant parrot]

or if you really hate Hiryuu that much... Add High Accu Radar on Jesus then use Sandy Kai... That's like saying fakkyu to your flying flies...

[finite valve]

i think ppl put too much emphasis on hiryuu and not on nagato and amagi tbh

more so with WS kai coming

[vague token]

hiryuu will need emphasizing once kai is out

[buoyant parrot]

WS Kai + Hiryuu Kai is meta

[vague token]

right now she's more of a sweeper

once namagi has cleaned things up

[buoyant parrot]

I just want my life to be easier since I have the resources to use for anyway

all ships 110, Affection 200... why not use them all at your convenience if you can 😂

[zenith tundra]

everyone has problems with hiryuu. namagi is just there to buff her up

[finite valve]

everyone has problems with hiryuu when comp is not optimize / max. namagi is just there to buff her up

there fixed it for you

[buoyant parrot]

besides lets put it this way... Hiryuu isn't really that much of a problem on regular days of Exercise... She starts to become one at the freaking last 10 MINS Of the SEASON because of that stupid 15sec invul

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

i feel like people focus so much on hiryuu to forget that namagi can just wipe u out with barrages. if namagi just sits out u would just win because hiryuu is not strong enough to kill u without any help

[finite valve]

my point exactly LMFAO

[buoyant parrot]

yeah but when in last min. its not that your having problems with... Its you resetting the fight all over again which means you lose time

[vague token]

like i said, hiryuu is the sweeper once the cleaning has been done by namagi

xD

[zenith tundra]

just mirror namaryuu

[buoyant parrot]

well I guess samething could be said if Nagato procs 2x

[zenith tundra]

if u fight namabaka and they get off all barrages and u don't is an insta reset u don't even need to wait to see

[vague token]

actually now that i think about it, aim torps being bad on defense might be why i have 0 problems with hiryuu

and my sara does 0 damage on defense

[buoyant parrot]

Zack that's my life...

😂

when mine don't I reset

[lament lichen]

honestly right now hiryuu is just more of a stall than anything

[vague token]

hiryuu only REALLY kills 1 thing, fox comps

[buoyant parrot]

yeah that's what im pointing out she's a stall not strong but a stall at the last 10mins

which is annoying

[finite valve]

then don't last season rank 1

ez fixed

lel

[buoyant parrot]

sometimes having her to stall could also spell your defeat coz of not you being able to calculate bomb damage at the last second 😂

[finite valve]

i mean this is only a problem if you are that try hard

[buoyant parrot]

yeah... Typically on normal day she's just okay just sort of annoying 😂

well gotta go lunch, Thanks for the hefty AA discussion we had I'm going to do testing later on it

[finite valve]

[vague token]

i suppose the nice thing about swapping essex in is that id get cuda torps

instead of aim torps

when she gets here

so then i dont have to worry about sara missing xD

tbf avengers are line torps right?

[finite valve]

yes

[vague token]

then yeah i can just swap her in probably

[finite valve]

also

using waifu in a waifu collecting game in a competitive ranked meta

what are you a normie?

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[vague token]

hey man sara is a good carrier on offense

[finite valve]

hey man sara any gold CV is a good carrier on offense

[vague token]

eh, i dunno

illustrious and graf zep dont really do their defensive strat very well xD

if only illustrious had armored carrier sakura

[finite valve]

i never said anything about how many times you need to reset to win tho

[vague token]

maybe she'd be good

[finite valve]

so point still stand

[vague token]

lol

i dont have to reset that often with namagi sara, hp lead is quite big

[finite valve]

still doesn't defeat my statement

check mate

[vague token]

im confused, what was the point again

xD

[finite valve]

[vague token]

if sara and lex could aim their guns

they'd be reaaaally good

instead of just ok

dear god if those things were aimed like melee artillery

(hyuuga)

godlike

they'd actually be dps carriers

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga melee artillery isn't that amazing tbh. it misses a lot because of the movement speed

[vague token]

i think the sara and lex guns are faster though

they travel full screen pretty fast if they are aimed at a main fleet

"aimed"

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga may hit the main fleet if the vg baits shoots toward them

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

also hyuuga shoots converging shoots which means she has the lowest chance to hit opponent exactly where they are. if the 4 shoots were parallel...

[vague token]

well, that one makes sense given the pve role

which is hitting as many fodder ships as possible

similar enough to sara shooting wildly is ok

cause you'll probably hit SOMEthing

maybe if they were parallel in pvp and spread in pve?

[zenith tundra]

the barrage speed is pretty good for pve but in pvp is random if u hit more then 1 shoot tbh

[vague token]

yeah agreed

i did get zeppy

wonder what her barrage is like

dont remember the stats

[zenith tundra]

cn wiki doesn't have it either

[vague token]

too bad her self buff requires iron blood

_>

she's like prince of wales but at least it makes sense?

kinda

probably better actually

[zenith tundra]

i should level up my zeppy. i like her concept tbh

[vague token]

at least you get a special barrage

[zenith tundra]

can always use her with roon

[vague token]

if the special barrage always goes in a fixed pattern

might be doable?

like

3 procs in is 24

she'll have uh

360-400 firepower

so if it's like a good barrage

it could work

since it gets empowered by the CL gun being equipped

and fighter/dive/dive is awkward

(and the 2nd dive slot doesnt get full efficiency anyways)

i think ill try her xD, she counts herself for buffs too

so always at least 5%

respectable hit points too

im a genius

oh no!

xD

[zenith tundra]

need to start leveling her

[vague token]

she has pretty solid aa and hit points too

bad reload but oh well

[zenith tundra]

not like graf is much better as reload

[vague token]

yeah xD

only 5 point difference

lol

level 9 kizuna beam when i wake up tomorrow

[zenith tundra]

why is it ap and how does ap dmg modifier apply from cv...

[vague token]

oh no!

xD

that's an interesting wedge though

budget amagi barrage lol

[zenith tundra]

at least she gets cl dmg modifier

75% on light and heavy and 110% on medium

not that bad

for a 12 oil cost she might actually be an interesting solo cv to run

[real notch]

[vague token]

sup

tfw 2 chibis are better than their counterparts

[real notch]

yea

akagi chan and zeppy

[vague token]

was gonna say hiei

but ok

[zenith tundra]

the only problem i see it's the barrage time being too close to launch speed. if it was like 18=21 sec would've been better but maybe because of that she can clear some mobs and have bombs drop on more important targets

[real notch]

oh i thought you meant in their hotness

[vague token]

LOL

[real notch]

jkjkjk i'm no lolicon

[vague token]

actually i guess the ap modifier would be ok to shoot medium armor main fleets

aka most of them on the sides

she's a true aviation battleship

[zenith tundra]

i wish u could boost more her fp

[vague token]

i mean

80 per stack

with 170 at 120

means you hit 410

that's pretty good

maybe a bit higher than hood at 110 full stacks?

[zenith tundra]

i didn't notice the 80

[vague token]

yeah it starts at 20

UNLESS you lose all the stats immediately when barrage triggers

in which case

nvm everything is ruined

if it does apply the stats during the barrage it should be good

[zenith tundra]

u get max dmg for barrage

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

that's what i wanted

[vague token]

actually since you can get a lot of free fp with just skill ranks that should be easy leveling

xD

[zenith tundra]

i want to see the gun buff to barrage

trying without it so i can see the barrage difference

[vague token]

ah

[zenith tundra]

it's a pretty big difference

[vague token]

oh wow it upgrades the spread shot to ap

instead of normal

that's neat

[vagrant veldt]

HE to AP from the datamine notes

[real notch]

oh btw

what's the new ship

[lament lichen]

bisko

[real notch]

bismarck

?

in EN?

[vagrant veldt]

likely EN aswell

[real notch]

nani lol

that's unexpected

[vague token]

oh wait those are he pellets?

maybe they're like a lower tier he

like DD he to CL AP?

[zenith tundra]

so it's the change worth it tho? i mean he should be better overall then ap but u lose fp from gun...

[vagrant veldt]

DD HE modifier

[zenith tundra]

120% on light it's not bad tbh even if dd

[vagrant veldt]

to PR 152 AP modifier

[real notch]

uhh what's the current conversation

[vagrant veldt]

base damage increased also

[vague token]

zeppy's barrage upgrade

[vagrant veldt]

20x24 to 31x24

[vague token]

when holding a cl gun

[zenith tundra]

still on light it might deal less dmg because 75 vs 120 modifier

[real notch]

ahh ic

[vagrant veldt]

there's a 75 light armour modifier?

[zenith tundra]

does the barrage form changes at all?

[vagrant veldt]

PR 152 AP mods are 110 90 70

only change is base damage and ammo type

[zenith tundra]

idk what i read i must be retarded

lol

idk why i was looking at ca guns modifiers

[vague token]

oh

ok

i was like

ap+ does 110

to light

[zenith tundra]

@vagrant veldt does the barrage form changes at all with higher skill levels?

[vagrant veldt]

no visible changes and no difference in number of shells

[zenith tundra]

so only fp scales

[vagrant veldt]

you could consider that Ap fliers faster than HE

[trim horizon]

wait, bismarck release to all server ?

[vagrant veldt]

pretty much confirmed for CN JP, EN is assuming that the mystery ship mentioned on twitter is Bismarck

[zenith tundra]

i think so too

because the mysterious ship announcement

[lament lichen]

core shop still the same

[zenith tundra]

ofc they didn't announce anything other then a misleading info

on core data

are there any chances that bismark will be some core data special buy? LOL

it feels weird they gave us 3x core data tbh

[vague token]

im sitting on like 2500 waiting lol

[trim horizon]

I honestly hope that EN will get Marck later than CN/JP

we don't even have the french gun yet

[zenith tundra]

i don't we need bismark so the meme can die already

[trim horizon]

I geuss

[zenith tundra]

idk why would a trash gun like jb gun be useful for anything tbh

other then jb

[vague token]

oh i thought you meant french dd gun

for some reason

big deeps

xD

[vagrant veldt]

I tried using it on Washington to separate timers especially since oath reload stats isn't that desirable for her and it the gun was awful...

[trim horizon]

we have z23 mini event rerun, is this a sign of Marck coming ?

[buoyant parrot]

that might be a mistake patch or whatsoever... I'ma finish it just incase~

[shy hazel]

time to grind up kms ships i think mybe of use

ugh

pitz and two zeps

thats all i think

[trim horizon]

lvl90/ 97 affect on mini zep, got her late

[shy hazel]

i guess i wont rush devs

maybe gon make roon

[charred sable]

SG Radar > Random Word Generator at max stats?

[modern tree]

SG is 10 more ACC, yes

[charred sable]

So in the end all the collab stuff is just for collectors

[shy hazel]

or fleet power boosters

lol

[empty sinew]

pyoko +2 luck tho

don't know if 1% heal or 2 additional luck is better

[modern tree]

heal is more eHP, you'd only concern yourself with luck if you already have a lunchbox on the ship

[vague token]

rwg is ok for carrier if you want extra hit

since you cant sg radar on them

[empty sinew]

but is it actually worth replacing cata or oil tank tho

[modern tree]

for solo cv running oil tank and an evasion item is okay

but pretty sure that ACC on it, even if it applies to planes, is not nearly enough to make you deal any more damage than just slapping a cata on it

and if you just want dodge then badge/prrudder is better

[empty sinew]

interesting, acc + eva doesn't seem as useful as a 100 aviation tbh for a cv

[vague token]

it's mostly for sara who wants her skill planes to hit

xD

[modern tree]

then maybe she should have given them bombs and not converging torps

[vague token]

yostar should do a lot of things

xD

also cuda torps would be better

if she had to have torp bomber

spread the debuff around

instead of aim it all at one target

[shy hazel]

rly wish bisko is,retarded for pvp

👀

imagine being leadship of kms

but has shit skills

shitter than qe

[trim horizon]

wouldn't be surprised

[vague token]

oof

[modern tree]

I cant wait for the hype to die so I can stop seeing WE NEED BISMARK/IOWA/X SHIP YOSTAR

[vague token]

ws kai, bismark, iowa

era of GUN

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

none of those filthy carriers allowed

[shy hazel]

after bisko WE NEED YAMATO

[vague token]

what could even be a meta shifting carrier in this era of big battleship plot, i mean guns

[shy hazel]

al has gun bias anyways

[vague token]

i guess it would be theoretical enterprise retro

or alterprise

[shy hazel]

help me i,cant get any faks from event

[real notch]

omfg

i got a fakkyu

from sp4

[shy hazel]

die in a fire

[real notch]

[shy hazel]

@buoyant parrot do u really want my torp front gear list

its just meh i tell u lol

i dont really ride the bel jun nanoda meta

lets see

oxytorp on jint and nnoda

bulge pearl in aurora

buldge on jint again

and lunchbox on nnda

[trim horizon]

677 0/0

[gaunt chasm]

mini-ai drops fakkyu bombs

[shy hazel]

the only mini ai i got

is torp

which gives no fucc

[tough rampart]

Is it possible to make a defense team more depressed?

[split socket]

yorktown looks pretty happy

[shy hazel]

vanilla helena

replace dumb loli

[tough rampart]

Dumb loli?

[real notch]

du hello @zenith tundra

am willing to do tests

[zenith tundra]

ok

[real notch]

kinda sleepy so i'll prolly do them tomorrow

[zenith tundra]

wait are u gonna wait and lose attempts?

[real notch]

uhh no i'll wake up before reset

when r u doing ur attempts

[zenith tundra]

i'll do them when u want me to before reset i can do them as early as 1hr before

my season is bad already i can also do them after u finish testing so u can get more bonuses

[tough rampart]

They sent me here

It's alright though, I know it's not the most important of questions

[left onyx]

@real notch wait why do ya have 2 girls in defense fleet?

[trim horizon]

so ppl can advance

[real notch]

yea, it's early in the season so not much point to wall people at 5k rank

ok sure @zenith tundra

i think i might do a nakaga test

do u think that'd be useful?

nakaga with defensive VG

or has that been done already

[zenith tundra]

i think u can test whatever u want

i would've liked to test namabaka against namaryuu

but never found a namaryuu to test against

[real notch]

well

[trim horizon]

Im just gonna rush and wall against Sandy's pleb

[hot creek]

no mercy

[real notch]

ehh according to my doc zack already tested nakaga vs namaryuu

nothing for me to test i think

and zack's namaryuu is identical to jojo's

at least backline

YOOO btw, who's using intelligence chip instead of boilers

[hybrid tendon]

using boilers

[real notch]

secret OP aux

[hybrid tendon]

[trim horizon]

is it ?

[real notch]

there we go baby

helllyeahhhhh

[hybrid tendon]

blue gun on ship with no procs skill

200 iq strat

[real notch]

nyeh her barrage is ok

btw this was when the chip was truly OP

[zenith tundra]

11hp op

[real notch]

secret OP on juneau because juneau heal timing

less HP so dies at better times

[vagrant veldt]

there's a gyroscope thing

[zenith tundra]

that's secret tech no one knows about

[real notch]

shhh

ok zack just lmk when u doing ur runs i guess

can't think of any particularly useful tests to make

meta is pretty locked in imo

[zenith tundra]

i'll be awake the whole reset tbh

hoping i can get some extra pts

i don't think i'll use any of them unless i get bonuses till 30mins before reset

[ionic magnet]

well if you want, i'd suggest amakaga and nakaga on offense against namaryuu

im not sold on nakaga being t0 tbh

[zenith tundra]

i did tests with nakaga but wouldn't mind if he did some more with same vg

[ionic magnet]

is it really that much better than amakaga?

[real notch]

yea, 20% more CV damage

[zenith tundra]

plus my test were with nagato not maxed

[real notch]

it's pretty insane

[zenith tundra]

and opponent too

[real notch]

only thing amagi has is faster barrage

[ionic magnet]

hmm like how much winrate against namaryuu?

[zenith tundra]

(as skills i mean)

[real notch]

uhh

according to zack's tests

[ionic magnet]

cos if its ~50% then its not much better than amakaga

[blazing scroll]

Don't forget the debuffs that Amagi brings

[real notch]

40-50% with ryuusei, 80-90% with cuda

[zenith tundra]

yeah the problem is that i tried that against blue and it didn't work as well as i thought it would

same comps as old tests

[ionic magnet]

oh 80-90% is pretty solid

[real notch]

ok fine want me to run nakaga against ur fleet?

i'll do 10 tests

tbh kinda lazy to switch gear

[ionic magnet]

yes please

[real notch]

reee

ZackFairX (nagato, amagi, hiryuu | belfast, juneau, YKKZ) 13.4/12.7
current fleet (nagato, kaga, akagi | belfast, juneau, YKKZ) 13.2/13.2
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - loss
game 5 - loss
game 6 - loss
game 7 - loss
game 8 - loss
game 9 - loss
game 10 - loss
game 11 - tie
game 12 - win
game 13 - loss
game 14 - win
game 15 - win
game 16 - loss
game 17 - win
game 18 - win
game 19 - loss
game 20 - win
FINAL WINRATE: 45%

pretty convincing first game

that airstrike should be win

[zenith tundra]

how the hell does my hiryuu die before namagi

[real notch]

not badge hiryuu?

[coral wren]

Is top position hiryuu better vs akagas?

[zenith tundra]

with invincibility doesn't make sense still

[odd schooner]

Pretty sure it's rng

[coral wren]

Man why does rng exist. Ruins the game

[vagrant veldt]

most likely ryuusei targeting priority is middle then bottom then top

[odd schooner]

You want amagi to be alive to add more chances for hiryuu to survive a lot of things

[vagrant veldt]

Amagi dead or alive usually don't affect Hiryuu's survivability. she could kill off enemies or draws attention if they are the last alive

[odd schooner]

There are times burn screws hiryuu hp

[ionic magnet]

[odd schooner]

Also 7% dmg reduction from amagi is always nice

[trim horizon]

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

who wins - taking bets

[coral wren]

U win

Continue

[real notch]

(hiryuu is like 4 secs left of cloak)

[coral wren]

Dw u will win

Do it for the memes

[real notch]

tbh i think i lose as well

[hot creek]

lose

[real notch]

it's so close i can count myself as a loss lol

[coral wren]

Ykk with her baby guns. Cant she even kill amagi

Can

What if amagi shots too

Lets find out.

Press continue

Its only 15 points

Sw

Dw about it

[real notch]

ok done

45% winrate

ryuusei seems pretty good

if one team's VG is gone, hiryuu will just drop ryuusei and oneshot a backline ship

i think foxes are especially vulnerable

like if they get targetted by hiryuu

it's basically 1 fox gone

[ionic magnet]

dang 45%

now test amakaga xD

[real notch]

i did 20 tests

[zenith tundra]

~50% is what i was hoping for my build. with blue build it should be even lower

i think my description for ryuusei on hiryuu was on point

[real notch]

ye ryuusei seems pretty good

on defense

don't forget zack tested 2x ryuusei with foxes

and his WR dropped by like 50% lol

based on his tests

i think hiryuu ryuusei is a lot more viable

or that

if u run foxes it's probably less likely

that's why ryuusei foxes are probably not as good as ryuusei hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

foxes need 818 for the great interaction

but hiryuu with final counter should always have chances to use ryuusei on backlines

[vagrant veldt]

attacking with two BBs with PR 152s can usually guarantee that the enemy vanguard even if they win couldn't distract too much

[real notch]

yea it makes sense

cus offense foxes use cuda to abuse maximized touchdown when enemy VG is dead

[vagrant veldt]

it is a major reason why royal navy and Nagato+Amagi backlines consistently win in the mirror

[zenith tundra]

pr... when we'll get them

[real notch]

defense hiryuu uses ryuusei to abuse torp dmg while not caring much about touchdown

akagi vf17 kaga reppuu for me

i suppose i'll test my namaryuu against zacks anyways

since i'm here

[zenith tundra]

i think we need to see when akagi torp bombers land and adjust timing on that for kaga

[real notch]

fuk it dude

[zenith tundra]

u might get lucky and get beaver hiryuu too @real notch

[vagrant veldt]

about 3-4s for parallel torpedos to contact enemy vanguard

[real notch]

if they simultaneous launch, it should be simultaneous

[vagrant veldt]

there's practically no way for Kaga's ryuusei to catch them with the slow. 818 is included for Nagato to clean up

[zenith tundra]

i switched to blue backlines equip

the slow should be pretty good tho. should increase a lot chances for ryuusei to land on vg

[real notch]

nvm this testing is pointless

it would solve literally nothing

lol

[zenith tundra]

testing for 818 with cudas

i'm retarded

21.39 akagi with vf-17/818 and 21.86 for kaga with reppu/ryuusei

max oath with nagato buff

if u use hellcat on kaga u can get 0.81s difference

[elder crane]

Don't forget flying speed difference
iirc 818 flys slower than ryuusei
So there's an extra factor there for trying to line up the timings

I think the Ryuuseis then has a 0.2 s or so shorter airstrike-launch-to-torpedo-launch delay than 818

[zenith tundra]

if i could test i would gladly but we don't have 818

[elder crane]

Kinda annoyed this core data reset gave nothing new
I was expecting sub/ASW equip at least

[zenith tundra]

they announced what we got... nothing

[shy hazel]

at least they're consistent

x3 for no reason but ill take the core data anyways

i now have a thurd rainbow dildo that ill never be able to +10 cos plate famine

[coral wren]

U need 6 oxy torps and then 3 torp meme for high score in ex

or a single takao

:l

[modern tree]

having high fleet power lowers your EX score

so having 6 dildoes will rank you lower

unless they are absolutely necesary

[split socket]

4 sec takao

[coral wren]

ah thats right . should just go with a single takao instead

[shy hazel]

use 3 takaos

no backline

[elder crane]

Why not takaos in the backline too?

6 takaos = instaclear

[split socket]

don't forget 3 takaos in the submarine fleet

[finite valve]

atago > takao fite me nerd

[coral wren]

wtf

cant react

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

@zenith tundra i might do runs soon, lmk know when ur doing them

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 6/10 i can just do last 1 now

5/10 now

[real notch]

Okkkk thanks

[coral wren]

Welp. Just lost my first battle this season. RIP.

[halcyon hill]

Got distracted?

[true trellis]

I turned around and lost one too

DAMNIT

Don't have siblings guys, they're distracting

[coral wren]

Fleet got ded before the game acknowledged that I hit pause.

[elder crane]

Safer to exit to home screen imo in desperate situations
Not that I ever remember to do that myself

[coral wren]

TMYK

[vague token]

fiji almost 110, now i need to get kizuna ai (dd) to 110

oh boi

[buoyant parrot]

Finally a perfect specimen for the AA wxperiment

[elder crane]

Oh wow, just put that up last reset too

Sheff not 200 aff yet, rest maxed

[buoyant parrot]

Don't worry testing AA for hiryuu anyway

[ionic magnet]

@real notch what do you think about putting nakaga as t1 instead? since they struggle just the same on namaryuu

[vague token]

just put nakaga as t0 for clear speed against non walls

xD

The Fastest until WS Kai/Foxes

[wicked rivet]

[ionic magnet]

im just saying nakaga is not much better than amakaga so it doesn't make sense to put one as t0 and the other as t1

[vague token]

make a separate tab for clear speed

[ionic magnet]

hmm no need i think since only foxes deserve special mentions on speed

[vague token]

xD

i cant wait for ws kai foxes farming

jk i dont have akagi

[ionic magnet]

[charred sable]

+18

[ionic magnet]

does kaga's skill trigger with akagi chan btw

[gaunt chasm]

yes, it triggers

[ionic magnet]

oh lol

[gaunt chasm]

its just like akagi's skill trigger with kaga bb

i havent lost any matches but im 20 points down on current rank 1 in washington.. i use up my fights 1 hour b4 reset.. am i doing smthng wrong? also kept fighting the most left opponent

[wicked rivet]

its not about how late you use attempts

its about how far ahead of you your opponent is

you get +1 point added to the score for every 35 points ahead that your opponent is

[elder crane]

Hour after reset is usually best time to be fishing for bonuses early season

[wicked rivet]

so this dude on my list that just used all his points and went from 1100 to 39 is gonna give me a ton of points

[elder crane]

It's when most non-sandbaggers climb, allowing you to catch them and get bonuses

[wicked rivet]

yep

[elder crane]

Hour before reset is only once you're at the point where around your rank is more sandbaggers than not
Which eventually happens a few days into the 2nd week if you're sandbagging yourself

[gaunt chasm]

i see

so its better to use the attempts in intervals rather than using them all at once hmm hmm

[vague token]

wow, somehow i got rank 63 when im 7/10 lol

namagi/wash

interesting

almost 110 juneau finally lol

[shy hazel]

i do intervals sandbagging lol

though my bonuses are terribad this season

prolly just gon get aotn

depends

in my experience though

at least personlly

even with bad start bonuses as long as i sandbag my way and dont lose

i end up in top 20 ish

stayed true for four seasons

[tired summit]

What does Reppu do that makes it a more ideal plane than the Hellcat

pls HALP

[gaunt chasm]

reppu is for PvE iirc, for PvP hellcat is still better

the difference is minimal tho >.>

[elder crane]

Nah, Reppu is still 2nd best for PvE, behind VF-17's higher damage bombs
Same bomb damage, faster loading time than all the other 2X500lb bomb fighters
Plane AA difference is pretty minimal, and AA isn't much an issue right now

[gaunt chasm]

VF-17 is event locked- wait nvm reppu is too..

[shy hazel]

reppu will be in pr soon

[elder crane]

For PvP, reppu has two advantages:
Main is the extra plane speed, for AA baiting
Secondary is the higher base suicide damage; although it has slightly lower base HP than hellcat so it's not really that much of an advantage

It also still loads a bit faster than all similar planes, except for the VF-17

So, overall fighter tier list (for general purpose) imo:
PvP: VF-17=Reppu>Hellcat>Seafang
PvE: VF-17>Reppu>Seafang>Hellcat (last two inequalities pretty minimal)

[shy hazel]

fw just has so many great gears

and ships

even the event gacha is like the best lol

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DmEEc/745b674dd1.png PogChamp

this guy is more dedicated to his Vicc than me

I wonder if her skill counts against BC as well

[ionic magnet]

im more impressed on 110 eugen

[elder crane]

I heard it doesn't on BC/BM/BBV
Making it that much more useless

JP wiki seems to say that
https://azurlane.wikiru.jp/index.php?�������ȥꥢ��

[hot creek]

feelsbadman.

already useless skill even more useless

maybe she'll get a retro someday

[vague token]

just give all the royal armored carriers

the taihou skill

for more tank stats

then victorious will have like

40% reduced from plunging

xD

[trim horizon]

good KMS VG ? or should I ask the one that less suck

[elder crane]

None for now really
Best you can do is the Z-team of Z46, Z1, Z23, but that's a PvE setup

Eugen Z1 Z23 maybe for the best possible PvP setup, since you want tankiness

Or maybe Eugen Z1 Z46, if that's tankier

[trim horizon]

does Roon and Eugen blend together ? I mean you completely sacrifice your speed, I don't think trading Speed for HP is worth

[elder crane]

The only CA consistently used in PvP is Saint Louis, with her speed boost, yeah
And sometimes torpmeme Ibuki

[finite valve]

roon is good if you can somehow stall since roon need time to ramp up

[elder crane]

Roon is okay in PvP, but pretty much never the best choice
Once/if we get Eugen retro, that'll be likely decent Roon-esque, maybe even good depending on how she gets boosted

[finite valve]

somehow i doubt it very much so

pudding kai would focus more in pve

since she was never pvp material

same as WS kai

[elder crane]

Idk, SandyRetro's pretty good PvP
and ofc WSKai is meta-defining

[finite valve]

pretty good =/= best

[elder crane]

She actually appears in top teams quite often

[finite valve]

well if ppl use 2 CV then yeh i might see her as being useful

atm meta is 2 BB so nah ty

[elder crane]

I think there's good argument for her being best/oneofbest options for some teams

Snadykai's an amazing base ship too, it's not just the AA
Though in the 3 BB meta of CN/JP she's probably not optimal

[finite valve]

nep alone is more then enough against sandy lel

on that note saint vs nep who do you think is better?

at 120 saint might over take nep

but if 110 i think nep is better

dk for sure

[trim horizon]

mmh then gonna raise Z1, Z46 even tho Im doing this just to see for myself how trashy KMS is

idk if im gonna completely commit and build Roon as my first PR

[finite valve]

just wait when they introduce bismarck lel

well not like it is hard to build a PR

[trim horizon]

I mean ye

[finite valve]

you can build whoever as first

[trim horizon]

dev30

[finite valve]

yeh maxing is another thing

i think iam going to build roon first but max her latter

need either nep or saint as tank for pvp

[trim horizon]

SaintL is the more versatile right ?

I was thinking about maxing her first

[finite valve]

yeh she is more useful since she both good in pve and pvp

but nep is a better tank since zombie and all

saint got better dps tho

[elder crane]

Sandy is half-damage-dealer, not pure tank like nep
Louis is tankier than Nep while boost is up, especially if Aurora is around
110 favors shorter matches
Overall I think Louis

[shy hazel]

best pr1 is monarch they say

louis is next

then roon

neptune next is hms

then ijn torp

theb bb trash

[finite valve]

monarch is not really a must since we have enough meta back line atm

[elder crane]

I'd argue for Ibuki over Roon for PvP usability
Roon is better in general, but has no niche for PvP

[finite valve]

what we need is tank

either nep or saint will do

well if you like torp then ibuki will do

[zenith tundra]

neptune>saint louis any day for me in pvp. her heal is more valuable then just rng evasion with 0 luck

[finite valve]

forgot about PR ships having 0 luck

LMFAO

[elder crane]

Overall HP is not much different
And medium armor is better vs non-torp, non-CV damage

[finite valve]

yeh in that case i think i am going to max nep first

build roon but max nep first

priorities lel

[zenith tundra]

torp are used by all ships in pvp

[elder crane]

Yeah but most damage is usually from main
And the main teams using powertorps usually use Aurora, which means Louis Eva rate will be on par with DDs and much higher than CLs

[zenith tundra]

who uses aurora in pvp???

literally foxes

and that's about it

not even foxes comps these days are 100% aurora

[elder crane]

Who uses heavy-torps in PvP as anything close to optimal choice?
literally foxes

[zenith tundra]

aurora is not an argument for saint louis if u never meet her

there are more torp vgs then aurora comps from what i fought

[elder crane]

Med armor is still overall an advantage in my opinion
And torp vgs are common but don't really pose much threat

[ionic magnet]

the way i see it, nep and louis p much has same ehp. nep is a little better against torps and louis is better against BB shells. so it comes down to who deals more dps and thats louis unless im missing something

[zenith tundra]

terrible firing angles for ca....

[elder crane]

Well, not quite "a little" for both cases
It's a pretty big damage taken difference

[ionic magnet]

well its not like cl guns dont miss

[zenith tundra]

if people expect saint louis to not miss with ca guns as much as port kai does now they are delusional

[elder crane]

And also CA guns have much better base stats
Med takes 25% more from torps
Light takes 27% more from BBHE

PR CA guns are much better at not missing

[zenith tundra]

counting 15% dmg increase for cl?

[elder crane]

Sure, CL gun stats still trash

Neptune barrage is good at least

[zenith tundra]

hitting a shoot is better then missing

[ionic magnet]

idk but cl guns miss just as much

[elder crane]

Again, the PRHE gun does not suffer from the Eugen gun wonky-targeting-causing-missing problem

[ionic magnet]

ca guns are just more obvious cos they fire fewer shots

[zenith tundra]

btw pr guns have worse angles then other ca guns

38 vs 40

[elder crane]

Not like the PvP vanguards don't just mostly stay in angle anyways

[zenith tundra]

don't u use boilers?

i would just put 1 more boiler and see if louis can even hit anymore

ur dodging bb shells but u cannot dodge a ca gun

[elder crane]

And they just need to swipe past each other
Base DpS on light of PRCAHE is literally twice that of the PRCLAP, 1.5 times that of the current CLHE

lol flight time of BB shell is much longer

and not like CL gun flight time is equally long as CA

[zenith tundra]

at u agree with me that chances for a ca gun to miss over a cl gun are way higher?

[elder crane]

If by "miss" you mean that if it shoots, it doesn't hit (in the way that BB shells hard miss), no, not at all

if by "miss" you mean not in targeting angle, yes there is a significant difference, no I don't think it overcomes the base stat difference

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna to test mogami for as bit and see how much dmg she deals on average

[elder crane]

If you're basing the CA gun problem on the current Eugen gun, that one is speshul, the PR guns don't have the same issue

[zenith tundra]

not like he doesn't miss u know

[elder crane]

it comes from the long volley firing time of that gun and how targeting works in AL

idk how testing in EN now tells you anything, without the much-better-statted PR CA guns

[zenith tundra]

good luck getting ur specific gun

because last time i checked bps are random

[elder crane]

By the time you get a PR ship up and running in PvP? no problem

[zenith tundra]

random is random u can get it in minimum amount of time as well as 2 months

[elder crane]

There are a total of 6 (edit: 7 actually, my mistake) PR1 Equips, 6 PR1 Ships
Each equip takes 25, each ship takes 343 (minus the event ones, minus probably not needing to fully max to be usable for PvP)
You gain PR equip BP at approximately the same rate as ship ones, if not more (on average more, but let's assume we focus on Ship-BP-giving research projects).

Yeah... I don't see it being an issue

[zenith tundra]

the wiki says 7 equip

[elder crane]

Whoops, my bad, 7

not a huge diff in my point though

Let's say you gain a measly 400 PR equip bp
Then it's literally a one-in-ten-million chance that you miss a specific equipment, less than one-in-a-million chance that you don't have at least 1 of each PR equipment

For some hard calcs to back up my educated guess on the statistics

[finite valve]

RNG is RNG no matter how you slice it

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514333481061449729/565893629910974464/Biggest_Yikes.png

[elder crane]

You would simultaneously need legendarily good RNG on getting the ship bps you want and legendarily bad RNG on equip bp, and even then probably not even enough
The odds are that literally no player will ever max a PR1 ship without having at least one of each PR1 equip
Unless ofc they mostly skip research projects

[finite valve]

still doesn't change the fact that at the end of the day RNG is still RNG and if you are one of those unlucky few that landed on the "one in a billion chance" then you are fucked either way

take a look at FGO

[zenith tundra]

maxing 1 pr equip is not the same as maxing a specific pr equip. u can just get bps for every other equip but not the one u want

[elder crane]

That's the chance I calculated for the second number

[ionic magnet]

rng is part of the game. if youre one of those unlucky people then just accept it and move on

[elder crane]

what's the odds of not having at least one of every PR equip

[finite valve]

the discussion was about how fast you can get PR bp from research

hence the RNG part

[ionic magnet]

yes and hes saying rates are not as bad as you think

[finite valve]

but like i said calculation are mostly base on average so it still not really a full proof way of saying "you can get something within X month / days"

[elder crane]

1-in-a-million
if somehow you only get 400 PR equip bps total before maxing a PR ship, which itself is near-impossible unless you seriously skew how you play

[finite valve]

i never said that the rate was not bad or good

my point is that when you are that unlucky to be in those 0.000000001%

[ionic magnet]

average is the best you can do to estimate rates tbh

[finite valve]

it mean end of the line

no calculation can do jack shit

[elder crane]

Look, by that measure nothing ever is guaranteed
IDK about you, but at some point I just call it guaranteed and stop worrying about it

[ionic magnet]

yes and im saying if you're one of those unlucky people you cant do anything about it

[vague token]

isnt the main problem with most of the current CA guns the fact that they have to shoot multiple volleys

which is wonky with aiming?

[elder crane]

Yep

[vague token]

triple 203 proto is 3x1

which means it aim corrects since it's all done in 1 shot

if you have mgm+1

unlike the core 203 which is what, 2x2?

[elder crane]

Cause everything after the first volley targets the same location
And yep, that was my point

[vague token]

ok

i was catching up

[zenith tundra]

3x1 is 3 times 1 projectile

[vague token]

sorry xD

[zenith tundra]

the good ca gun is 2x3 which is 2 times 3 projectiles

[elder crane]

To be specific it's the volley time that's an issue

[vague token]

im pretty sure that's reverse

cause like the 3x2 gun has a 1 second volley time

[elder crane]

Which usually, but not always, is proportional to numver of volleys

[vague token]

or wait

yeah that sounds right

[elder crane]

Nah, the time spacing for some guns is nonstandard

[vague token]

oh ok

oh yeah im looking at the wiki table

[elder crane]

PRAP is 2 volleys of 3

[vague token]

the vt has nothing to do with gun shots

lol

[elder crane]

Well, there's some correlation
Just some guns are weird

[vague token]

eugen gun takes years to shoot lol

1 second volley time for 3 shots

[elder crane]

Which is why it has issues with hitting things, cause 2&3 volleys target same location as first
And the target often moves out of the way

[vague token]

reee

aiming mechanics are whack on ca guns

[elder crane]

CL and DD guns do it too, just less obvious cause they have fewer shots, low volley time, or wide dispersion

[vague token]

oh

[elder crane]

Eugen gun has the unfortunate combination of long volley time and decently tight dispersion

[vague token]

release the angles yostar

DO IT

[buoyant parrot]

hello, so what are we discussing today?

[elder crane]

Some discussion on Nep vs Louis
Some further discussion on new PR1 CA guns, and their perf relative to CL guns and current CA guns
Then some more about how hard PR1 equips are to get relative to maxing a PR1 ship
For while I was here

[buoyant parrot]

oohhh

thanks

go on~

[ionic magnet]

why is it called eugen gun anyways is it because theyre both terrible

[buoyant parrot]

which reminds me did PR2 came along with new Equips?

[elder crane]

Yep

[buoyant parrot]

ahh I need to check that

[elder crane]

Notably a new CLHE gun, new BB guns

[buoyant parrot]

no love for planes

[elder crane]

And Azuma gun too ofc

I forget if anything else noteworthy

[finite valve]

well at least we are getting tech tree + new UI when PR hit EN

at least i hope the leak is true lel

[elder crane]

PR 2 CLHE gun (Seattle gun) a better 155 for vanguard, mostly, more dps, tighter dispersion, 30FP 15AA

New legendary 457BBAP gun (Georgia gun) supposedly exceeds 406mk6 gun+fires dps on med/heavy, 20s base cd. Lower per-volley than 410s by a bit iirc, but higher DpS, also +65FP

A gold twin 406 HE (FdG gun), which is basically a upgraded 410 purple, same damage on faster reload and +45FP

And Azuma gun stats are supposedly subpar base-gun-wise, but still useful due to azuma skill

[zenith tundra]

pr will be in 3 days so we'll know soon enough

[buoyant parrot]

did they mention anything about the secret ship thingy?

I'm assuming there is still no news about it

[zenith tundra]

the banner in cn with bismark should say it all

[buoyant parrot]

ahhh so that thing was real... I thought it was some fan art

[zenith tundra]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/321284912894443520/572732923711717386/-7Q5-igwxK13T1kShs-a0.jpg

fan art so big

[buoyant parrot]

no, I wasn't talking about that. The web thingy the silhouette is the one I'm referring to

[elder crane]

Ooh, where do QR codes lead?

[zenith tundra]

idk

can u scan them from pic?

[elder crane]

Darn, res too low to make them out probs

[buoyant parrot]

I'll try to scan

[zenith tundra]

not gonna happen

resolution is 🚮

[elder crane]

Also probably just CN AL website I would think

Still, such a tease~

[buoyant parrot]

not working on me as well lol

[ionic magnet]

dem so bisko is confirmed

[shy hazel]

theres also leak in jp

though i think its her skin

[finite valve]

https://i.imgur.com/XN60G9j.jpg

dk if this is better but it something

[shy hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/528197562998718474/571640595194314762/720086787149add1ddab861f20056302.png

[coral wren]

Who is that? Bismarck?

[shy hazel]

reading the jap post they think its bismarck

[coral wren]

She looks friendly.

Hood probably wouldn't agree tho.

[shy hazel]

thats her victory pose after teabagging hood

[coral wren]

How much you wanna bet her gimmick is a huge luck stat and a huge bonus to crits?

[finite valve]

https://i.redd.it/aejtpecle7u21.jpg
Who that pokemon?

[coral wren]

Charizard.

[vague token]

someone seen from above!

[shy hazel]

truly mysterious

[finite valve]

supposedly a "mysterious" ship

[shy hazel]

the throne pic may become a skin

[coral wren]

Piccolo dick

[finite valve]

also fun fact that this got fucking leak the day sabaton release a song name bismarck lel

[raw osprey]

Kisaragi Kai

[cerulean estuary]

mutsuki kai with 20.1 inch guns

[raw osprey]

[cerulean estuary]

what would AL be like if there will be a JOJO collab?

[odd schooner]

We get menacing shells

[vague token]

za warudo ability

[buoyant parrot]

So... Ive been testing the +10 Purple Radar on Juneau it appears is impacting heavily on incoming planes... It can shot down at least 2-4 Planes incoming lessening the dive bombers damage significantly

Take note, She's not yet even triggering the Anti-Air skills yet... If She does she wipe a lot... There is this instance there's like only 2-3 planes left reaching goal

its interesting... seems to be very effective against planes

I don't know how will it go on a Akagi/Kaga setup

since they both launch their plabnes almost at the same time

[coral wren]

Use Sandy instead.

[zenith tundra]

this is not meme channel pls post that in the right channel

[buoyant parrot]

I have a problem tho... I can't distinguish whose performing the damaging on planes since its full VG frontal AA damage. Somewhat ranging at 900+-1000+ AA damage. I'm not sure if it's over VG aa or just Juneau... I could probably remove AA bofors of the other VG to test further... Will try it later when I'm no longer lazy

[coral wren]

I don't think ships do damage to planes individually.

[buoyant parrot]

Do we have any knowledge of HP of certain planes?

okay so now I fought a Akagi/Kaga line up... Its overwhelming...

Scrap the Radar Idea

its 100% pointless

too much planes

damage is ranging from 600-800

I think damage is being spread out depending on how many planes is in wave

[zenith tundra]

wasn't the idea to make stuff survive planes not shooting them down?

because outside of sandy kai there is no point in trying

[buoyant parrot]

the only time I think this will be viable if you have sandy kai then High Performance Radar and Juneaue

[zenith tundra]

and even with sandy kai aa is pointless once we get fuel aux

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

mostly that's the idea

so the single radar thing only works on Hiryuu

but if you are going to fight 2 CV's its pointless

[coral wren]

Well that was new.

Went up against a fleet that had a vanguard with a total power of 14k+.

It folded like a sheet of paper.

[lament lichen]

thats oxy torps for you

[coral wren]

I'm not sure I've seen a fleet vanish as fast as that one without being Ark Royal and three destroyers.

[hybrid tendon]

well thats a torp squad

an offense fleet

not a defence one

[lament lichen]

@odd schooner are you don with your attacks?

[zenith tundra]

nice dmg my mogami and she didnt even die

[blazing scroll]

How many barrages did she fire?

[red nexus]

All

[blazing scroll]

YES

[zenith tundra]

dont compare to poor nagato. she dealt less dmg then both belfast and juneau

[red nexus]

Running a CA

[zenith tundra]

what pr arent ca?

i mean saint louis

since all the other vg are 🚮

[odd schooner]

@lament lichen yep. Want me to atk asap after reset?

Or

How many points you at right now

[lament lichen]

eh its fine

uh im like in the 1500 for rank

1208

730 points

[coral wren]

Shouldn't the strongest defensive fleet be the strongest offensive fleet?

[lament lichen]

oh wait i didnt reset the game

[odd schooner]

I'm at 778

Points

[lament lichen]

ok thats like one bonus point

thats fine

you dont need to push

[odd schooner]

Aight

[cerulean estuary]

kamita on my leftmost list

automatic refresh?

[vague token]

i had famine last reset

xD

[cerulean estuary]

they both push at around last 5 minutes i think

[hot creek]

yeah its not worth trying to catch hardcore sandbagger especially not on this current meta

[zenith tundra]

my list this reset is a disaster having to wait 5hrs for a bonus

and now stuck again

[red nexus]

Why?

[zenith tundra]

not even once mogami over belfast

just testing ca damage in pvp

for incoming pr

ofc saint louis will deal quite a bit more

but i'm curious how much more

[red nexus]

Is mogami supposed to be good?

[zenith tundra]

mogami has mgm+1 and torp like pr ca ships do

[red nexus]

Interesting...

I just need the roons, boi

[vague token]

what is saint louis's barrage like?

is it like better than mogami? xD

[coral wren]

will hms fleet become non-meme after PR?

[shy hazel]

still meme before ws kai

unless u can dev30 double hms pr fast

[abstract cypress]

nagato and amagi make others just a meme

we dont have meta anymore

[vague token]

just gotta wait until ws kai for freedom

xD

[shy hazel]

i gonna test out if i can more or less

get high score

even without sandbagging seasonstart much

[blazing scroll]

"freedom"

It will be the beginning of the ws meta

[vague token]

1 ship vs 2

ws meta has lots of variations at least

ws foxes, ws bunnies, ws/hiryuu/amagi, etc

[blazing scroll]

We still have foxes now and bunnies are only great after kai

[charred sable]

There's only one true Warspite meta

[shy hazel]

meta always changes sandbagging doesnt

[halcyon hill]

https://puu.sh/DmPAM/901688bef2.png

BBs refuse to fire if the enemy is at melee range?

[modern tree]

yep, bbs have minimum range and CL guns have a set fiering angles so DD guns are generally better if you expect DDs in your face

cuz DD guns fiering angle is 360 and CL is like 120

[true trellis]

They can sometimes, but if the enemy vanguard hover too close, then they're not at the minimum fire range

[halcyon hill]

The more you know

I guess it could even make sense in a irl scenario

[elder crane]

Funny enough, they won't try to fire point blank, but if they fire, they can still target point blank

E.g. if Vanguard is in face and main is dead, BBs will not fire at vanguard

But if main is not dead, 1st shot targets main, but 2nd/3rd volleys can target vanguard that's already in face

[halcyon hill]

Yeah subsequent shots target whoevers alive

Regardless of range requirements

[elder crane]

PvE automode works identically

PvE automode won't shoot if all remaining enemies in minimum range

You can manually tell it to shoot at water, and then it'll shoot the ship inside min range with 2nd/3rs volleys

For CL secs, firing angles aren't as much an issue as they originally may seem
CL guns load slower than DD so they don't output non-stop stream of fire anyways, and vanguard doesn't keep out of arc for more than a second

[halcyon hill]

But it still better to run DD secs for pvp is it not?

[coral wren]

for barrage triggers

if for BBs, it depends on the buff

[elder crane]

For offense, CL secondaries have longer range and are more bursty

[halcyon hill]

On BBs i mean

[elder crane]

So they do more when both vanguard is still up

[coral wren]

there's the belgun that buffs fp, and the 127mm that buffs aa, 127 or 100mm, i don't remember which one but one buffs AA

[elder crane]

And also stat bonus differences

Both do FP/AA, those DD guns

127 is 20fp25aa, 100 is 15/30

127 has superior DpS by a bit, and much longer range

I would say, CL secs for offense unless vs heavy CV setup with low AA main, or you expect to easily win or badly lose VG vs VG

For defense, DD secs all the way

Belgun spray easily does 1-2k each at least, when it matters, at least for Namayuu

For Akaga teams, one VG or another often gets quickly wiped, and in that case DD secs are mostly superior as well

For non-BB ships that choose, you run DD guns not mainly fot barrage triggers, it's cause DD gun base DpS vs light is much higher than Belgun, with little other penalty

You just get more gun damage out of DD guns

For AA @buoyant parrot
Plane health is known (check equip guides, doublemint and ayase's both have it, also CN wiki equip guide has it), and it is known PvP has a X4 multiplier on plane HP (or so, have not confirmed info) (multiplier applies to drop tank bonus HP too)

[halcyon hill]

Touchdown damage is the same regardless of the plane health?

[elder crane]

Wikis say AA damage is not affected by how many planes in circle, each tick does some fraction of total damage in a RNG rectangular distribution, CN wiki even suggests AA does bonus damage if more than 20 planes in AA circle
Tbh I'm skeptical of this same damage business, but I have no evidence to back it up

Touchdown scales with remaining plane HP%