pvp

[zenith tundra]

15 runs of sp4 per day to get 55k

and 17 for 60k

pretty bad farming event if u ask me

[hot creek]

event ends after 5/15 i thnk

[zenith tundra]

15 is last day

or should be

[ionic magnet]

you only need to buy the pr bps tbh

everything else can be skipped

[hot creek]

i will just farm 35k probably

[ionic magnet]

even kizuna

but who skips kizuna

[zenith tundra]

i wasted 120 cubes for the others so i can skip the last one

[shy hazel]

bisko hype

[cerulean estuary]

wasted 200 cubes for loli banner and only got hiei

[zenith tundra]

i'm looking forward to end the bismark meme once and for all so pls just give us that trash ship and finally is over

[hot creek]

yeah but what if she's gamebreaking

[zenith tundra]

just enjoy her as an overpriced and overpowered pve ship i guess

like fdg

[ionic magnet]

imagine if shes not a pvp bote

[zenith tundra]

pvp meta is not a thing imo

not after ws kai at least

as long as she has a barrage i don't see why she wouldn't be use in pvp

the only comp that might make sense as of now for bismark would be with amagi and graf imo. but graf is meh either way

[ionic magnet]

yea just put ws kai cos why not

[zenith tundra]

i meant for en

[ionic magnet]

mm how long has it been since we got w11

3 months?

[zenith tundra]

don't remind me of w12

not that long

it was after wc event

[ionic magnet]

prolly 2 months i cant remember

[zenith tundra]

right before vdir

[ionic magnet]

then i guess 1 more month for w12

[zenith tundra]

14th march was 110 added

1.5 months

[ionic magnet]

dang it felt so long ago

[zenith tundra]

i know guess because they unhide exp stocking before that so we grinded out more

[ionic magnet]

yea true

[zenith tundra]

maybe we get w12 in june at this rate. i really hope not in may tbh

[ionic magnet]

we're covered in may already i guess, with these 2 side events and pr ships

prolly june/july

i want my sandy kai

[zenith tundra]

w10 was in december and w11 in march if we consider same gap it would be in june

another ship i need to level pls no. can we skip that bad ur ship already

[vague token]

oh god seeing 400 damage shell hits on ykk is amazing

[shy hazel]

ur ship?

[vague token]

sheffield buff

[ionic magnet]

but sandy kai is waifu

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather waifu a pole instead

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[shy hazel]

retarded 1.2k aa

[zenith tundra]

most "useful" stat btw

[shy hazel]

sandy kai made the new pr2 moot

lol

imagine using both of them though

[ionic magnet]

btw 20 mins before reset

[shy hazel]

seattle with sandykai

[ionic magnet]

im gonna copy zack and save charges kek

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

20min before i can see if i can get 5 extra attempts for next season

[shy hazel]

wow cheaters

[ionic magnet]

watch us get 300 pts first reset

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

i'm doing it for testing purpose because this season i'm 11 behind

10 more change nothing lol

[hot creek]

how are you testing it

[zenith tundra]

if i can reproduce the bug at least i can make them fix it

[hot creek]

wait til 10/10 at reset while staying in pvp lobby during reset?

[zenith tundra]

and then sleep on 5 attempts

something like that

just opening exercise before season ends and see if i can use the whole 10/10 visual bug

if it doesn't work rip next season too

even if it does i'm gonna sleep on extra charges so

[ionic magnet]

this is purely for testing purposes

[zenith tundra]

that's the purpose of it tbh

[ionic magnet]

yep

[zenith tundra]

it's so dumb that it's not fixed yet if they didn't

[ionic magnet]

idek if that guy last time was banned or just didnt sandbag

[zenith tundra]

from what ppl said he just kept losing point because of rushing

[ionic magnet]

rip

[zenith tundra]

idk if i don't see the 10/10 visual bug i don't think i'll go for it

[ionic magnet]

but its weird cos hes the only one with abnormal score

[zenith tundra]

idk but there must be a bug he used of some sorts

[ionic magnet]

literally 1 guy out of what thousands of players

yea

[zenith tundra]

u know what i'm gonna start my 1st attempt before season end and end it only after season starts

let's see if that works

[ionic magnet]

hmm ill start as soon as i see my charges go up i guess

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel 0/10 score?

[ionic magnet]

kamita 2600

[shy hazel]

0

lets see

maybe fam still has one more charge

none for me though

[zenith tundra]

i was looking at that he hasn't move in like 3-4min

[ionic magnet]

famine 2601 kek

[shy hazel]

inb4 he got walled hard

o there

[ionic magnet]

these two seriously

sandbagging gods

[cerulean estuary]

at least made it @ top 10 , with 2 idiotic testing pvp with +9 points

[zenith tundra]

people that have good time zones

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DlpoX/d3ba7f7bab.png wew almost overtaken

[lament lichen]

still made top 5 with a missing charge

[shy hazel]

Stella is stronk

top 10 one lost charge

[shy hazel]

casual~hardcore sandbagging works

[zenith tundra]

rank 0

[blazing scroll]

+-237

[ionic magnet]

wtf

[lament lichen]

yeah not gonna bother wtih ranking

[ionic magnet]

i got 9 charges also

[lament lichen]

gotta farm

[shy hazel]

try resetting

[ionic magnet]

or maybe visual bug lets see

[shy hazel]

or spend all rounds

[zenith tundra]

doing mines so far

i get rank 1 always as left lol

[buoyant parrot]

anyone has the screeshot for top 10?

[zenith tundra]

i had other stuff to do

[buoyant parrot]

Was I still on top 8?

[lime rivet]

log in
See this

Oh fuuuuuck off Zack :v

[buoyant parrot]

I was on top 8 last 10mins

[zenith tundra]

good luck

[shy hazel]

[lime rivet]

Reeeeee

[buoyant parrot]

Fuk was that last min?

[shy hazel]

58

i dropped to rank 10

actually

[buoyant parrot]

Shiet

Told you this was the hardest season ever

[shy hazel]

one lost charge

blame avengers

[buoyant parrot]

No lost charge sandbag hard still kick out of top 10 lol xD

[cerulean estuary]

last 2 mins before disaster

[shy hazel]

my method of casual hardcore sandbagging somehow works

time to make that guide hey

[ionic magnet]

ok its just a visual bug

[zenith tundra]

yeah it didn't work

[lime rivet]

@zenith tundra took 5 resets until I lucked out

[shy hazel]

anywys time to grind event

[zenith tundra]

well rip season again

[ionic magnet]

rip pts

lmao

[zenith tundra]

at least u won

[ionic magnet]

[lime rivet]

Hiryuu last ship standing, killed by my yukikaze ramming right as invul ran out

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze is a pretty good counter if she can keep herself alive

[lime rivet]

Yeah - hence i lucked out because your big 7 didn't proc and I killed your frontline just as hiryuu launched, so yukikaze just waltzed past all the bombs

[buoyant parrot]

Dropping out of this season to recover

[ionic magnet]

recover what?

[real notch]

recover from what

[cerulean estuary]

is this normal?

[lament lichen]

uh no

[zenith tundra]

nope

[cerulean estuary]

what the 200 points already? im a seeing things

[lament lichen]

can't rank up to ensign with 5 attacks

160ish is like the most you could get

[zenith tundra]

idk how that bug works but it does somehow

finally banned the bigbrainplayer that had 10k pts in ex

[lament lichen]

there were 2 of them

that yuki person too

[zenith tundra]

i didn't look really just knew about the 1st

[cerulean estuary]

can we report this pvp bug points?

[lament lichen]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

i think it has been reported last season too on sandy

[lament lichen]

but im pretty sure the ddevs know about it

[strange shuttle]

Wtf?

[zenith tundra]

i tried too but failed

[shy hazel]

btw dont forget

if u still have oil from nagato event

shop should disappear next daily reset

[vague token]

uh

208 what

[coral wren]

Best sandbagger

[zenith tundra]

i used all oil from isss already

[shy hazel]

hes too pro in sandbagging

he sandbagged his charges from last season

[cerulean estuary]

im tempting to fight the top 1 with 208 points

how many points will i get? ( noob question )

[shy hazel]

how can we surpass that person

[lament lichen]

still got the oil from the beginner quest chain

[shy hazel]

probably max points

[coral wren]

We pool our score together

[lament lichen]

its 20 point difference for +1

[strange shuttle]

140 ish is the highest possible doing this this quickly, I think 159? Ish is the highest I ever got from first 5

[lime rivet]

Lemme ping the staff

[strange shuttle]

That first is complete bs

[lime rivet]

...once they get on

[lament lichen]

160 is the highest i gotten from 5 attacks

[midnight heron]

if u cant beat em, join em

[lament lichen]

but thats after 12 hours

[shy hazel]

last time i reported all pp lwho broken scores

[coral wren]

Damn

[strange shuttle]

Exiavly

[zenith tundra]

i would wait 1 more reset @cerulean estuary

[shy hazel]

whenever server they are

[strange shuttle]

Your not doing 169 in the first 12 mins

[lime rivet]

Yeah, 208 is like, 42 points per. That's flatout impossible

[modern tree]

Is this going to be a thing every season now?

[strange shuttle]

Lul

[zenith tundra]

ofc

[cerulean estuary]

shes on my list the top 1 with 208 points while im still at 0 zero

[lament lichen]

42 is max gain for someone at 0

in a normal session

[left garden]

Just a small lead of 69 points 20 minutes into the day

mkay

[lime rivet]

Yeah, but it's like, 20 mins into the season

[zenith tundra]

i would wait for him to push till he uses all the next reset charges too

[charred sable]

So... Did they break PvP again or is it fine this time?

[shy hazel]

when u sandbag points from last season

[left garden]

Seems like someone had 10 tries again

[shy hazel]

this happened last season

[lament lichen]

gotta make up for last session somehow

[shy hazel]

only very few people though

[lament lichen]

only the chosen one

[strange shuttle]

@round kiln I noted that with in 12 mins after reset that score is not possible

[atomic sun]

my friend had 10 exercises

[charred sable]

Is it posted in the bugs channel?

[atomic sun]

but they disappeared when he relogged

so the guy prob just used all of them

[strange shuttle]

In 12 mins?

[lime rivet]

It's not listed in #known-bugs, did you guys belfastbot this last time?

[round kiln]

wait y was i pinged?

[zenith tundra]

that is a visual bug and i couldn't use all of them even if i saved from last season

[atomic sun]

it's not that hard to win 10 exercises in 12 minutes

[coral wren]

Washington lol

[lime rivet]

10 exercises in 12 mins for a 208 score is plausible

[left garden]

yeah

[lime rivet]

5 is mathematically impossible

[left garden]

then it is correct

[strange shuttle]

Because it filled in for @left garden

[left garden]

@strange shuttle eh?

[zenith tundra]

@lime rivet unless u consider that there is NO WAY for people to have 10 ATTEMPTS at the beginning of the season

[left garden]

you mean i had 10/10 tries?

but this is merely visual

i cant use them

[strange shuttle]

You said 20 mins saying it was 12 mins way sooner then that

[lament lichen]

yeah somehow for him he was able to use them

[strange shuttle]

Was quick af

[ionic magnet]

oof the bug is still there

[left garden]

yeah

[lime rivet]

I took my screenshot at like, 15 past the hour

[left garden]

it aint possible in such a small time. But if he had 10 tries then it makes sense

[ionic magnet]

we failed to reproduce tho

[shy hazel]

can we just reset dst as in right now

[ionic magnet]

i wonder how they do it

[lament lichen]

theres probalby another condition that allows him to do the extra 5 attacks

[shy hazel]

zulul

maybe he has 5 charges then attacked someone when it was resetting?

then fight ended after it reset

[left garden]

or speed hack maybe? Sounds a bit off

[zenith tundra]

only the few chosens ones can actually use all 10

[left garden]

but what if he can clear fights by just sending the packets lol

[lime rivet]

Okay, the rank 1 guy on wash confirmed he had 10 attacks

[left garden]

hmm

But can they also check how fast they fight?

When exactly he did his Exercises, How fast he did them and how much points he got for them?

[shy hazel]

ask how they got ten

[lime rivet]

I don't think even he knows lol

[shy hazel]

so we can copy it next season

[left garden]

@lime rivet no but i mean the staff could right?

[lament lichen]

he probably didnt attack at all before the reset

[left garden]

Neither did i

[lime rivet]

They're going to have to repro it from their end

[ionic magnet]

i had 6 charges before reset but it didnt work

[lime rivet]

The 10/10 visual bug is a known issue tied to desync, but actually having 10 attacks, well

[left garden]

If i had to make a wild guess

its probably the cron that resets all player attempts to 5/10. And its taking too long to execute maybe. Thus some players can use the attempts from before and when he used some he gets the 5 other ones because that script finished XD

[zenith tundra]

i finished my 1st attempt of the season 3 secs in

idk how much faster u can get

[vague token]

o.o

[zenith tundra]

started it before last season ended

[lime rivet]

Anyway, avrora guys i'm 0/5 at 141, so feel free to hit me

[coral wren]

Sup bae u look cute today

[lime rivet]

[zenith tundra]

@ionic magnet how bad is ur score? i'm at 113

[ionic magnet]

im at 120

we're like 2 attempts behind now kek

[zenith tundra]

u managed +7 over me lol

[ionic magnet]

yea idk

[zenith tundra]

i'm 3 for sure

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

i remember getting a +23 against that rank 0 and 26 against rank 1

[ionic magnet]

well you started earlier than me so its prolly cos of that

[zenith tundra]

1st one i have no clus what i got on that +-237

[ionic magnet]

oh yea i got +-234 lol

[zenith tundra]

120 is still less then 25 x attempt

[lime rivet]

Ooh.

Someone else woke up

[zenith tundra]

ok just looked at pic and 1st one was +25

[coral wren]

top guy on lex has 138 points so its going fair where i am

[zenith tundra]

i even blew my refreshers to avoid fighting people under me

i managed to lose 12 pts in 4 attempts over 125

that's like 1 less attempts or just sitting on 1 rn

that 180

[ionic magnet]

hmm i didnt actually see what ranks im fighting

you sure you didnt fight anyone below you?

[zenith tundra]

most likely i was. at least 2 of them were with people under me

[ionic magnet]

i see

[zenith tundra]

the rank 0 was under

and run out of refreshers

[ionic magnet]

anyways i see more bugged scores

[zenith tundra]

as people say in bug report it's desync not a bug

[ionic magnet]

isnt that just the same

[zenith tundra]

i tried to argue a bit but better not piss people off

[proper steppe]

There's a bug, and there's a visual desync. Scores are a result of the bug (Having 10/10 runs), having 10/10 runs (but actually having 5, as you're supposed to) is the visual desync.

might want to pin something that scores are going to get addressed so people don't get into a kerfuffle, but en doesn't read

[ionic magnet]

i see.

[zenith tundra]

i don't mind people complaining since it has been going for quite a bit now

[coral wren]

Just dan the ppl complaining.

Ez fix. No one will know something went wrong if everyone is too afraid to talk about it.

[charred sable]

Visual 10/10 is a very low priority bug

It's a very common bug in general rather. Essentially the game client doesn't make a network call to the server to get the updated actual value, so it's based on a local value that is out of date. Bugs like these look scary but actually aren't because the actual attack checking is done server sided

The real, gameplay-affecting bug is that something on the server side is incorrectly adding extra attack counts in certain scenarios. This is irrelevant to what the client shows

It's not so much "limited to single cases" as "fewer people have hit the edge case scenario that triggers the bug"

[zenith tundra]

the 10/10 visual bug shouldn't be that hard to fix also it only shows on new season. all other resets gives u 5/10

[charred sable]

For bugs like these, I wouldn't be surprised if they just fixed one of the common entry points and not the root cause

It isn't hard to fix. It's just low priority due to lack of actual gameplay impact.

[zenith tundra]

then we go back to we need en devs already

[charred sable]

The devs... Who are probably busy fixing bugs in more important stuff like the recent PR2 features lol

[zenith tundra]

well i hope they fix them one day

and again a team of devs for en only would be great

[charred sable]

I don't think Manjuu is that big a studio to be about to afford that lol

Not to mention the wage difference between China and the US...

Due to exchange rate

[zenith tundra]

i mean as assigning some people from cn/jp servers to en permanently but i understand that there are a lot of things to do

[charred sable]

Essentially you have to justify hiring one US programmer who will be getting paid the salary of 3 or 4 Chinese developers, even as an entry level position.

Having a dedicated per-region person in the China office is definitely possible though. Just a matter of available resources

[zenith tundra]

guess we need more people to whale on en for them to hire more people lol

[charred sable]

Just compare Manjuu to DelightWorks, who makes a shit ton more money via FGO JP and NA

DelightWorks doesn't have a US office nor dedicated NA developer in their JP office afaik

And their budget is way, way more

[abstract cypress]

thats good pvp nerd statistic up there lol

still no namagi?

[charred sable]

Azur Lane isn't a whale game. And as a whale, I'm actually glad about it. Because it's a sustainable business model and ensures the game won't die fast due to bad profit-driven decisions every time it gets close to the quarterly business review time

[zenith tundra]

i like that u don't need to whale i just hope they can keep up with it

[abstract cypress]

oh it count as foxes didnt read

[charred sable]

The last game I played (Valkyrie Connect) was very PvP focused and I dumped tons of money into it but they decided to introduce a bunch of game breaking characters right before their Q2 reports period to boost their revenue numbers

And that level of greed pushed me over the edge, leading them to lose me (one of their biggest whales) along with half the whales in my guild (which was the top PvP guild at the time)

[zenith tundra]

that type of business looks cancerous tbh. not even close to actually user friendly and just focused on making more money

[charred sable]

It's very self destructive and bad for the long term of the game

[shy hazel]

en doesnt necessarily mean na

they can hire asia ppl to be en dev

[lime rivet]

It's a known issue that some users have gotten 10 pvp exercise tries at the start of this season (beginning 29 Apr 2019). Staff has been informed and are looking into it.

[abstract cypress]

how could wasd won much against foxes

[lime rivet]

There, in case anyone asks

[zenith tundra]

high aa stats

[abstract cypress]

but im losing much

<<<wasd user

[zenith tundra]

what are u using?

wasde?

[abstract cypress]

ye

jun, bel, and hel

[zenith tundra]

enty cloak is useless against foxes tbh

[abstract cypress]

but the doc up there its winning

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't time at all

well mostly of that is usually done with maxed comps (oaths and max affection)

and max equip too

could u post ur main fleet equipment?

[charred sable]

@shy hazel I'm an Asian dev living in NA working for an Asian company. What does that make me?

[abstract cypress]

w8 its no case on wasd vs fox only fox vs wasd

[zenith tundra]

u mean defeating stuff on defense?

[abstract cypress]

its on TL + box bulge

yes

[zenith tundra]

that's actually hard u really need maxed out stuff and enty on defense doesn't wall off foxes at all tbh. mostly of the time u see wasda walling off not wasde

[charred sable]

Gear and levels still do make a big difference

[abstract cypress]

wasd is shit now then

[charred sable]

You can still run the pair for PvE though

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu is best wall right now

[abstract cypress]

ye

freakin bs

[charred sable]

Especially in world 11 with all the enemy Nagatos wrecking your backline

[zenith tundra]

i agree

[vague token]

wasde full max was walling my sara variant

[abstract cypress]

u just need to put" namaryuu t0" and done

[vague token]

mostly because i cant win trades

xD

[abstract cypress]

else is irrelevant

[vague token]

namaryuu is easy, put amagi across from hiryuu, force final counter while vanguard is up

xD

[charred sable]

We need to add Kakaka as one of the fleets - Kaga, Akagi, Akagi-chan

[vague token]

she only has like

5k hp tops

[zenith tundra]

u can just switch amagi and hiryuu and let the attack bonus do the rest

[vague token]

yeah

[abstract cypress]

good thing ill stop pvp next season

[vague token]

although depending on cuda spacing you can get unlucky

[zenith tundra]

3 shoukaku wtf is my luck in sp black

[vague token]

if you proc final counter early against ryuusei it's a free win

[charred sable]

@abstract cypress one does not simply "stop" PvP

[abstract cypress]

i will

[charred sable]

One does not choose the PvP life. The PvP life chooses you.

[trim horizon]

[zenith tundra]

u can stop carrying for pvp if the meta is bad

[abstract cypress]

i got the feeling everyone here use the t0 bs comp

[vague token]

/laughs in sara

[zenith tundra]

even as an ijn ship lover i don't really like this meta tbh

[ionic magnet]

wdym i dont have nagato

[abstract cypress]

@vague token thx for giving us free win

[zenith tundra]

i have namaryuu defense but i use namagi hyuuga on offense tbh

[vague token]

it's ok ill be trying out destroyer kizuna soon

MORE DEBUFFS

[lament lichen]

am i the only one how uses mutsu on offense

[vague token]

ill just reset if i buff the enemy xD

[abstract cypress]

i used to lvl up ships in pvp

now cant

[zenith tundra]

my mutsu is far from max. not even lvl 100

[charred sable]

I don't like using Hiryuu

She doesn't have a fluffy tail nor fox ears

[zenith tundra]

lol

[vague token]

hiryuu needs like a graceful skin

instead of bully skin

[zenith tundra]

i like her retro skin tho

it's so cool

[vague token]

that's true

[leaden sequoia]

I view her a bro of sorts, so her not having a waifu appearance is not a problem to me

[shy hazel]

apparently my brand of sandbagging works better on slow seasons

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

so lazy to sandbag alrdy though

too many events

to care about pvp

[vague token]

still no hiei chan for fire immunity

=/

i got zeppy instead

[zenith tundra]

the only problem i have with sandbagging is sleep tbh

[shy hazel]

got all small ships

[abstract cypress]

i only care about merit

[shy hazel]

[abstract cypress]

but these freakin t0 fag comp cutting it to half

[shy hazel]

the easiest way to beat t0 is just to mirror

[leaden sequoia]

you're gonna get even more dissapointed with ws kai then, I think

[vague token]

eh, ws kai opens up a lot of fleets though

[zenith tundra]

just wait for ws kai she'll free us from nagato meta

[vague token]

just farm up your fakkyus now

so she can use them

[abstract cypress]

i got no fakyu

only tons of ugly torp bombers

[leaden sequoia]

she still does require to make changes to your fleet yet again

but such is a PvP life

I got a fakkyu on Amagi

looks nice, but no fakkyu barrages

[abstract cypress]

the dream

i also want that with my puppy salvo

[shy hazel]

old

[charred sable]

What do the FAKKYU skin icons look like? Anyone able to share a screenshot of their skins inventory and point out the FAKKYU ones?

[zenith tundra]

it literally says fakkyu

[real notch]

omfg

god damn it

u cucks

lucky ass mfkers

[zenith tundra]

i farmed like a dumb and have almost 16k pts rn

oh btw for a matchup sheet should we add it to the guide?

[real notch]

matchup? like ship vs ship?

[zenith tundra]

comp vs comp

i was thinking something like this. Just a draft for now

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1NavjksLNwnjCWPL4Yk1pQD8qq-YRw1D0wAbQ1VplO5A/edit#gid=0

well idk if u want to put it in the guide or not if not i'm gonna just to put it together with the fleet power i want to make

[ionic magnet]

mini ai fighter planes drop fakkyu bombs

super gamer fighter planes drop hai domo

not sure on others

[charred sable]

That's why I'm gonna farm so hard this event lol

Rank 1577... Good enough bonus points?

[zenith tundra]

not good enough farm

[ionic magnet]

dem famine

[zenith tundra]

i'm rank 1.4k with 113 pts

not sure how much u would get from that

[charred sable]

I say this, but...

[zenith tundra]

this event gonna be a pain tbh just want to get it over with so i can start farming pr once they are out

[charred sable]

+32 :/

[zenith tundra]

yeah that wasnt high

[charred sable]

I actually wish they applied the Bel-chan farming to this event cause I don't want to farm story mode after this

[narrow timber]

I'm amazed to see people farming smallfast now, when they literally announced a free 500 manjuu and 1.5x points in 6 days

[shy hazel]

i mean

its not even a teensy bit hard

lol

[leaden sequoia]

could be that having belpoint farm uncleared leaves a constant feeling of unease

so better to get rid of it asap

[narrow timber]

AI event is so good tho

yeah she's not a tanky one, even at 110

doesn't sound like you're on EN

[blazing scroll]

You can stock up xp

[narrow timber]

doesn't help you right now, ahue

[blazing scroll]

But you will have your ships instantly at 120 when the cap gets raised

Although I am waiting for PR ships to be released before going ham on xp farming

[narrow timber]

I too am waiting for PR

don't we all

[blazing scroll]

Define a fuckton 👀

[narrow timber]

game gives you more than anyone knows what to do with

[blazing scroll]

I can burn through that

[trim horizon]

how far is ws kai from \en ?

[blazing scroll]

I think we'll get sandy first

[elder crane]

Likely half a year away at earliest

[lime rivet]

Update: staff have acknowledged the extra attacks and will be working on it.

[charred sable]

245 HP and 8 speed... Worth using in PvP over a toolkit?

Well, since I don't use boilers in PvP (or even PvE for that matter), I guess that was a waste of aux plates :(

The headband though I assume replaces a toolkit due to the +1 luck

[zenith tundra]

\

10041=

[cerulean estuary]

do u guys still finish / farm SOS missions together with todays events?
( 6 to 8 per day )

[lime rivet]

For belchan

[shell heron]

I still do them. Good sub gear won't farm themselves

[coral wren]

idk why u wouldnt do them. u know how long it takes to get a single piece of Sub gear lul

Ive farmed since the subs came out and the closest gold torp that I have come to is 8/15

and u need 2 per sub

[cerulean estuary]

i mean does it hurt farming SOS w9 and w10 maps using 4 to 5 units per fleet ( roughly 45-54 oils per run )

considering you have to run 6 times to clear it which cost roughly 250 -300 oils

while at that oil cost u can clear sp4 2 times with it

one thing about it SOS drops are random , its bad luck for u if u clear w10 then u only got t2 or t3 submarine equip

[ionic magnet]

i cleared 10-5 once and havent touched sub maps since

[coral wren]

Sp4 dosnt drop belchan manjus.

Doing SOS = atleast u will get a sub gear or chance for a gold sub gear.
not Doing SOS = u will never get sub gear above blue.

also this is pvp wth. why was this topic even in here in first place

[ionic magnet]

subs arent needed anyways. just do it if you want tbh

[zenith tundra]

i haven't got 1 sub equip yet

i feel like is a total waste of oil doing x-5 maps

[coral wren]

u havent gotten a single Design?

yikes

[cerulean estuary]

sorry about hat

well lets close it now , might get scolded here

[zenith tundra]

equip not design

[coral wren]

U dont get equips. except for white ones. U get designs for any quality above white.

[zenith tundra]

i got plenty of designs but if u still get blues in 10-5 why even bother

[coral wren]

lmfao. if u dont do x-5 u wont ever get any

[zenith tundra]

10-5 is literally worse map to farm

[grave gale]

You can easily 1:1 the trash of every SoS map but 10-5.

[cerulean estuary]

what im pointing is the oil efficiency of higher lvl SOS maps

w3 to w7 can do 1 : 1 fleet compo

[coral wren]

w3 to w9

u mean

w10 I actually had to use a healer

boss in sub is just use CVL and 3 DD

[zenith tundra]

didn't get any designs so far

[coral wren]

yikes u are really unlucky then

[grave gale]

my gold sub torps are at: 10/15, 8/15 and 12/15

[coral wren]

I like 10-5 cus there are no white gear

I feel I keep getting useless white gear when I do below ones

[zenith tundra]

u still drop blues which is so not worth for needing a healer and 7 battle total

[coral wren]

drops gold too u know

[zenith tundra]

3-5 drops gold too

[coral wren]

but still drops white

lets stop it

[grave gale]

there's only 2 white. Your chance is barely better on 10-5

[zenith tundra]

and u need 7 battles with 10+ extra oil for healer vs 5 with 1:1

[coral wren]

idc anymore xD its not my business to tell u what to do

I dont like missing any maps at all. since it gives me manjuu aswell

[zenith tundra]

manjuu shouldn't be a priority since u get 1.5x pts after the 5th may

[coral wren]

still wasting map tho

only 6 yeh

yikes

[zenith tundra]

only 6 which at my rate might take half year

[coral wren]

👌🏿

[zenith tundra]

and u also need 2 gold radars if u want max efficiency plus u need the good depth bombs

[grave gale]

you don't need a single sonar with chaser

[zenith tundra]

i don't have 2 chasers

[grave gale]

mob fleets don't require any asw

[zenith tundra]

in w10 u actually need that

[grave gale]

no you don't

[coral wren]

really? even boss at 10-5 dies withini a few secs after being spotted once or twice

with blue depth chargers

[grave gale]

trust me. you don't. I've been farming SoS day 1 and never used asw on my mob. w10 included

[zenith tundra]

the 1st 10-5 i did my bb was 40% hp just from subs and bbs

[grave gale]

Chaser is a bit special. When she reveals an enemy you can permanently damage them unlike sonars

[zenith tundra]

and i don't have 2 of them

[shy hazel]

ive never did sos since two weeks ago

[grave gale]

You only need 1 for the boss

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel great choice

[coral wren]

Subs will never be in pvp so these pvp gods wont need to care at all

so I see their point

[grave gale]

no sonar, no depth charger, no nothing needed for mobs. You can ignore submarine mobs. Sure.. they do some damage like suicide ships if the battle drags on but it's not threatening if your levels aren't low

[shy hazel]

im jusy rly lazy to do it

sub mechanics in pve is crap anyways

[zenith tundra]

sure lvl 110 for everything because why not

[shy hazel]

maybe ill do it once they fix things

[zenith tundra]

totally pointless waste of oil imo

[coral wren]

yep

[charred sable]

Subs annoy me. Especially the gold ones

[zenith tundra]

consider this if u use them for battles subs cost extra oil if u use them for hp cut it still doesn't matter since bosses wont be there in range

[charred sable]

Because grinding up affection for them is a pain in the ass

[coral wren]

dorm

[grave gale]

free damage is free damage

[zenith tundra]

sure if it actually matters and doesn't cost to much for what is worth

[charred sable]

My gold subs have been locked in my closet dorm since day 1

[grave gale]

hunt damage costs 0 oil.

[coral wren]

UWU nice

[zenith tundra]

if u actually fight in a 3x3 square from subs

[grave gale]

it's free damage. You lose nothing by having them hunt and reduce enemy HP on their own. It's not a lot but it's free extra damage

[ionic magnet]

maybe i'll care about subs when they release lewd-47

[zenith tundra]

no batteries so no way of making use of that

past a minimal range

[grave gale]

Sounds to me you're trying to justify your laziness in not using them.

[leaden sequoia]

I think those that do pay attention to subs have a mindset of "it might become useful in the future and if you didn't farm for them beforehand, you're gonna go oops when they do"

[zenith tundra]

i think i made it clear i do subs mission

[charred sable]

Well, PvE is about laziness with that auto button

[zenith tundra]

but it hardly justify the oil spent

[grave gale]

But there is no oil spent if you don't call them in battle

It's FREE damage. 0 oil.

[ionic magnet]

both sides are valid just accept that subs are completely optional

[charred sable]

It's not free though

[leaden sequoia]

which I do agree with to some extent, but is too vague for other people to justify the cost

[zenith tundra]

does it even matter if they are leveled and geared then?

[charred sable]

It costs screen taps

[grave gale]

that's not even worth responding to. lol

[charred sable]

And screen taps takes time and effort

It's all about that auto grinding life

[grave gale]

The only cost is the cost of raising them and having them reach that point

[zenith tundra]

i actually hate when i need to tap to play auto like kizuna event because i like to play other stuff as well while grinding

[charred sable]

Like watching lolicon hentai anime?

[zenith tundra]

i play games haven't watched an anime in quite a while tbh

[charred sable]

My phone vibrates after a battle ends so I can just look down, tap the next battle , then go back to anime

[coral wren]

my damn ipad dosnt vibrate

REEEE

btw do we have a chart for DIve bombers?

[zenith tundra]

my phone doesn't too and my emulator couldn't even if it wanted too

[coral wren]

how big of a Dmg loss is it to swap to Comet from Helldivers so I can launch faster than enemy Hiryuu when its down to 1v1

[leaden sequoia]

I think you can hook a notification system somehow into the emulator

[charred sable]

You could hook your computer up to something that vibrates

[zenith tundra]

there is a chart in the pins for dive bombers

[coral wren]

I thought it was fighters

[zenith tundra]

if u want damage i guess u can check wiki

[coral wren]

ohhh

at the end there

[zenith tundra]

torpedoes are like with dive a post under it

in the history not pins

[coral wren]

ah yes. ty

[shy hazel]

im almost full oil

then i need to grind this event so much rn

cos i get oil from nagato event

lul

else overload

[zenith tundra]

are there any matchups for namaryuu that are worth mentioning other then mirror and wasde (last one as a soft counter)?

[shy hazel]

u mean nmaryuu attacking?

[zenith tundra]

i'm doing a matchup sheet and i mean offense yes

[cerulean estuary]

washington sodak and hiryu? on def fleet

[shy hazel]

i fought a hard battle with weird setup once

nagato hiryuu ent

lul

[zenith tundra]

oh lol

did u reset?

[shy hazel]

reset twice i think cos

nagato and

[zenith tundra]

lol?

[shy hazel]

amagi

didnt even proc

any skill

[zenith tundra]

yeah at that point anyone would reset against cv

[coral wren]

is 21.7 sec launch time vs 23.3 secs launch time a big diff?

[shy hazel]

big

[blazing scroll]

yeah

[coral wren]

even after all VGs died?

[blazing scroll]

Yeah

[coral wren]

when its all SPED Up

[shy hazel]

moreso lol

[coral wren]

cool

I hope I get someone to test againstmy namruyu now

😄

and gets into 1v1

[shy hazel]

comet problem is how to wipe vg

lul

[blazing scroll]

[coral wren]

no idea xD I leave that to amagi and nagato

[zenith tundra]

idk why people are saying that u would need to consider what could happen in the 2 sec u lose on 1st airstrike 4s on 2nd and 6 sec on 3rd

[cerulean estuary]

did anyone try putting anti torpedo bulges on all main fleet?

just curios

[coral wren]

I did on my hiryuu

[blazing scroll]

Torpedo bulges is a waste

You don't need them because VG will die anyway

[coral wren]

[zenith tundra]

putting bulge on main fleet=losing vg battle... why would u think that on offense

[coral wren]

if a defense torp vg can take away almost half hiryuus hp

with 1 torp

imagine on attack

[zenith tundra]

u hit less on attack tbh

torpedoes

[coral wren]

cus too far?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[coral wren]

double toolbox then

[zenith tundra]

poor ur hiryuu

[shy hazel]

am i in #461381136661217283

[coral wren]

OH WAIT

FK

I forgot aviation tank

gotta get those hp

ok. toolbox and oil tank

[blazing scroll]

It's even more beneficial to get eva instead of toolbox

[shy hazel]

oil tank is plane hp not ship hp

maybe u mean catapult

[coral wren]

ik but since comet and cuda are both used for higher touch dmg

[zenith tundra]

i think hiryuu would largely benefit more from dmg since she sucks at that without kai and if u want defense just use beaver

[coral wren]

gotta get them to screen end safely with mroe hp

ty ty :d I put beaver and oil tank now

[zenith tundra]

any defense item is wasted past her final counter proc btw

all they do is give her a bit more time before it

[shy hazel]

event ends in 15 right

pr starts 6

[blazing scroll]

Yeah

[zenith tundra]

should be 5th iirc

[shy hazel]

wonder if i can farm 3m xp on event

[blazing scroll]

Ofc you can

Just gotta invest the time

[shy hazel]

so lazy to do event rn

lul

[blazing scroll]

Same

[zenith tundra]

they say 5th for pr

[blazing scroll]

I wish you only had to do boss fight

[shy hazel]

o 5

[zenith tundra]

people that seemed so all over the place for pr now don't want to farm for bps

[shy hazel]

im not even so sure anymore

immediate need says roon or louis for pvp

future need says monarch

[zenith tundra]

i'm going for the 2nd worst pr ship and farming a lot for nothing so gg me

[shy hazel]

jp gives 2 daily

why we dont get

[zenith tundra]

do u have research?

because i don't

[shy hazel]

u mean jp?

i have

[zenith tundra]

i mean en

i don't play on jp

[shy hazel]

im on regular client now so nope

[zenith tundra]

how can u get something for something that is not in the game

[shy hazel]

i mean the bp themselves is in the game alrdy

[coral wren]

Hows colombia for a pvp ship?

[shy hazel]

the free 2 bp daily is given just by logging

[coral wren]

it should make the already tanky backline even tankier?

[zenith tundra]

maybe we'll get them once they add research

[shy hazel]

i wish

events give like what

[zenith tundra]

idk who would u use columbia instead of?

[shy hazel]

20~30 bps

15 maybe has bisko event

[coral wren]

belfast

[shy hazel]

or aome kind of event

[blazing scroll]

Columbia only gives flagship protection tho

[coral wren]

oh is it flagship onyl

yikes ok nvm

[zenith tundra]

u could do that and lose vg to foxes in 14 secs

[blazing scroll]

Might as well use fortune then

[shy hazel]

columbia has nice aa at least lul

will prolly take two airstrikes

[zenith tundra]

juneau and yukikaze have way better backlines defense and heal

[shy hazel]

[blazing scroll]

Fortune can go full eva

[zenith tundra]

like my 400 aa juneau disappears in 1st airstrike?

[shy hazel]

im gonna build a very fun meme fleet in the future

wasdnoca

with full anti air in front

[blazing scroll]

Sandy

[shy hazel]

sandy jun and whoever

[blazing scroll]

The 50% AA boost is pretty good

[shy hazel]

its to piss off ppl who is still using foxes

use it in genrush

[coral wren]

Is ykkz/belfast/aurora ok with foxes+nagato?

[shy hazel]

yes

or jun

in place of bel

[blazing scroll]

Or go full torp vg

[zenith tundra]

juneau should be better imo

full offense vg on a squishy backlines as nakaga is suicide

if u don't kill opponent vg fast u are in trouble

i'm at -12 pts in 5 attempts

113 0/10

nope

rushing to get bug

doesn't matter tbh just funny to say that i managed to lose 12 pts in 4 attempts

anyone that played nakaga?

i'm curious about what matchups it has trouble with

[shy hazel]

i did half the season

namaryuu or mirror

others are demolished

wasda is no more

[zenith tundra]

no wasda matchups?

[shy hazel]

i mean

[zenith tundra]

how bad is mirror?

[shy hazel]

they get killed p fast

mirror is rng if nagato hits u with skill

lol

and yours dont

[cerulean estuary]

try namaryuu on atk then
wasda sodak noca on def

maybe its a fair matchup considering high HP and AA of USS ships

[zenith tundra]

did u fight maxed wasda or carbon copies?

[shy hazel]

i met trump and star

[zenith tundra]

easy wins?

[shy hazel]

it was early season though

p much ya

i was fulyl offensive though lol

[zenith tundra]

wasda was already maxed then

[shy hazel]

my is diff

cowtitmaid

jint aurora

[cerulean estuary]

high AA stats can counter or at least mitigate a lot of dmg on the backline

especially if hiryu activates final counter

[shy hazel]

nakaga pretty much reduces any vg at that point

if nagato procs

sd goes half hp

[cerulean estuary]

well it doent hurt if we try it , i try to lvl 110 norcal this week to test

[shy hazel]

i fought wasdnc in genrush once lol

it was annoying asf lol

amakaga era

[cerulean estuary]

coz hiryu / fox meta is there era today lol

[shy hazel]

youll want sandy in your vg though

to be potent

80% aa boost

[zenith tundra]

i don't use foxes or hiryuu

[shy hazel]

[cerulean estuary]

i think belfap and jesus is good enough for AA on VG

[shy hazel]

wasdnc was supposed to be the real meta anyways in fw

but nc was nerfed lol

[zenith tundra]

nc is not a good bb

[shy hazel]

nc is like the highest firepower in raw stat for uss though

[zenith tundra]

it's only useful against cv

[shy hazel]

if only

[zenith tundra]

washington should outdamage nc in any case

[shy hazel]

she had barrage

lol

[zenith tundra]

fp is useless if it doesn't convert in actual damage

example warspite kai pve

her barrage is so bad that any barrage bb/c would outdamage her

[cerulean estuary]

well lets give norcal a chance guys , dont be negative , not coz shes not in the pvp meta

youll forget about her ( u need her on w12 and w13 )

[zenith tundra]

i don't think any wX has anything to do with pvp

[shy hazel]

for me though

noca is fun def ship

to annoy cv ppl

lol

offense ship not rly

[zenith tundra]

because is easy to beat?

[shy hazel]

hey not rly

u shouldve also seen when vy chnaged to noca

[zenith tundra]

nc would lose to any barrage bb

[shy hazel]

well if u were still using amakaga

lol

[zenith tundra]

well i didn't see 1 nc in amakaga meta

[shy hazel]

very rare

i only saw one in fact

thats only vy i believe

[zenith tundra]

or so rare that it never even mattered

[shy hazel]

or tatsuya

lol

[elder crane]

Oh lol PvP messed up again?

[shy hazel]

minor

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't at that point hood amagi hiryuu be a more common anti amakaga stuff

ofc where u expecting anything else

[elder crane]

That's what I ran!

Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood

[zenith tundra]

i mentioned it because some ppl were using that

[elder crane]

It worked extremely well on offense, but as far as I can tell, it didn't work that well on defense

[cerulean estuary]

barrages on DEF are meme , i think its reduced by a certain volley and dmg

one notable example is HOOD on def

[elder crane]

I only ever saw 2 other people using it though, and both times was during lv 100 cap, and both were unoathed
Amkaga still handily won

[zenith tundra]

have u ever fought a namabaka? if all 3 barrages go off is a reset no matter what u use

[elder crane]

Yes, and no it was not that big of an issue

unless your barrages also didn't go off

[zenith tundra]

well i got that 2 times in a row

literally 40% backlines on my end vs 80% on opponent side... what can u do

[elder crane]

Faced it with Namayuu, had no particular issues with it compared to other namagi teams
KagaBB barrage isn't super powerful

[cerulean estuary]

what i mean is the barrage damage and animaton on ATK and DEF fleet are completely different ( im not angry , im just explaining and not offending anyone )

[zenith tundra]

if u proc ofc, if ur amagi sits out 2 barrages is gg

[elder crane]

Bigger difference is Nagato proc difference
0-2 on Nagato procs is usually a loss
Less so vs Namabaka actually, it needs kagaBB+Amagi proc advantage of 1-2 too

[zenith tundra]

barrages have been different on defense from wasde era from what i recall, with washi barrage on defense being full focused on backlines while urs stiull tries to hit vg

[elder crane]

Washington barrage is fixed location.... it only hits main, unless vanguard moves really far back

Amagi I suspect does funny stuff with the targeted portion

[zenith tundra]

the 1st round of washy barrage didn't hit backlines tbh. i remember it clearly

[elder crane]

Amagi definitely sometimes targets not the opposite ship on main, and I suspect might be targeting vanguard rarely

[cerulean estuary]

funny imagination , what if the devs disables all barrage skill / types on pvp?

[elder crane]

No, pretty sure all 3 sets of wash barrage hit main

[zenith tundra]

amagi targets whatever she wants tbh

[cerulean estuary]

it will be raining fakkyuu's

[random vault]

would akaga be stronger in a barrageless pvp

[elder crane]

Nakaga maybe

[zenith tundra]

it was during fw when i tried wasd and i clearly remember her barrage being different. idk if it was a bug or not

[elder crane]

Yep, confirmed that at least right now wash only hits back with the arcing shots

I don't remember there ever being a change in hers

[zenith tundra]

i remember her 1st round trying to hit vg not full on backlines which pissed me off badly

[elder crane]

maybe a bug right around release

Wash barrage is fixed location(+dispersion), and all 3 should target same area

[cerulean estuary]

maybe norcal will be popular again if " her much awaited " BUNNY COSTUME SKIN" will be released ( which i will also auto buy )

[elder crane]

FW rererun hopefully

[zenith tundra]

the only thing that would make nc popular is UR retro with good barrage imo

[cerulean estuary]

imagine all FW ships backlines , wasd norcal will have a BUNNY SUITS

oh lord bless us

taihou bunny suit? hmmm

[elder crane]

Then all we need is another IJN main fleet bun

ewww please not taihou

[zenith tundra]

i don't like erina tbh

[elder crane]

and then we can have USN bun vs IJN bun

[cerulean estuary]

best skin?

[zenith tundra]

best skin
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/b/bd/Kitakaze.png

[coral wren]

why does she look like Tornado

from OPM

[zenith tundra]

the literal translation of her name is north wind

[coral wren]

in chinese too

nice

[versed atlas]

why do some ships have such low barrage proc chance?

i can understand why nagato has it - she has a 2nd powerful skill

but you'd think that mutsu would at least have 50% or 60% barrage chance since she doesn't have a 2nd skill

[modern tree]

Because balance was never a concern, it's consistent with other big 7

[elder crane]

Game is not designed so that all ships are equal

Also, can you guys check a suspicion I have
Fires in PvP only tick for 4 times base, not 5!
I saw what appeared to be that multiple times while counting fire damage, but with how hectic the screen gets, it's still possible I missed a tick every single time (which would be 10+ times at least, hopefully I'm not that blind)
If you don't want to bother doing the testing yourself, I posted one of the vids in which I think I saw that:
https://youtu.be/ie8xph60SIk

Ideal test would be a 1v1 BB duel with 406, probably

should make the result very clear

[blazing scroll]

Should have taken a name with an A

[dense lynx]

good job washington

[elder crane]

Tiebreak is by who achieved the rank first btw, nothing to do with name (thankfully)

[modern tree]

you can preview them

they all look the same to me

[lament lichen]

its the Mini AI that does that

[coral wren]

Lets not make the comp list public.

👼

[craggy cove]

oh shit i almost forgot to do my pvps

[ionic magnet]

isnt that the point why its made

[coral wren]

XD

These ppl in help are so

Smartnt

[cosmic iron]

What about the people in help?

.>

[coral wren]

I do hope most ppl wont change. and keeps using foxes

:3

Makes my life easier

[craggy cove]

Holy shit yukikaze is blowing me out of the water, guess I should start leveling her

[grave gale]

[coral wren]

Dude i have more trouble with javelin.

[craggy cove]

Maybe I should go full 1-hit-wonder frontline with Ayanami, Yukikaze and Fubuki

[grave gale]

It's starting to become rare to see fleets without a yukikaze these days

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu kawakaze yukikaze/sendai/aya

if u want torp

[craggy cove]

one hit wonder as in they fire off their nukes and then die instantly

and I still don't have Jintsuu

[zenith tundra]

don't bother then

[craggy cove]

ive been farming since the chapter came out ._.

[vague token]

at this point i think it's better to only use CLs for torp memes

since they get 15% damage

from pvp rules

xD

depends on how much

cause torp stat boosts damage slower than raw % damage amp

[craggy cove]

my oxys have been on ayanami and fubuki since I got them

[vague token]

someone can probably calculate how much torp you need to be stronger than aya

xD

with just 15% boost for CLs

[craggy cove]

im gonna regret rushing those two wins just to get on the leaderboards

but then again, less pvp bullshittery I need to deal with on my lunch break tommorow

yeah

someone has to i guess

[zenith tundra]

got rank 17 in my list let's see if i recover some pts

191 pts difference

+33 not even worth it

got a top sandbagger in my list which means i'm already 2-3 attempts behind

[elder crane]

Also it's CLs that have the highest torp efficiency

Jintsuu does more per torp than non-skill-proced Aya when both with 2 oxytorp in PvP

Skill means Aya still does more per torp, even with no oxytorps on her at all

Also higher Hit stat on Aya as well

oh damn that long list of Aya skins

[lime rivet]

Avrora - i'm 0/10 at 355. Hit meeee

[elder crane]

Not in the same team, for sure

Assuming not subpar equip on aya ofc

[zenith tundra]

same gear ofc

[elder crane]

Even 0 oxytorp vs 2 oxytorp, aya with skill should outdo any Cl/CA

[zenith tundra]

at least as torp slot

[elder crane]

Yeah

Maybe Ajax on CAs?