pvp

[primal wing]

She’s just been so hit or miss for me so far.

[zenith tundra]

i think u need yukikaze and juneau heal for nagato foxes to ensure wins

when i tested nakaga it felt like my foxes were made of paper

at least compared to amakaga

[primal wing]

I win most matches, but lose once in a while. Mainly only when Nagato doesn’t proc Big Seven.

[zenith tundra]

i guess ill start to test nakaga with defensive vg and see if i can lose

my tests were against namaryuu

dunno about other matchups

[primal wing]

Washington is pretty much the same 3 team setups and that’s it.

[buoyant parrot]

omg... this Sendai... does she even exist?? I've already spent 120k Oil on this map...

[zenith tundra]

avrora is not that different. u find amakaga for days and some wasde/nakaga in there. anything else is like so rare

well at least u farmed more bofors

[primal wing]

It’s mostly still Wash/SD/Enterprise or Amagi/Kaga/Akagi.

I only saw two Nagato fleets today.

[grave gale]

namaryuu is starting to become more common on sandy

mirror matches suck with it.

this meta is only going to become more annoying once hiryuu gets her retrofit, too

[zenith tundra]

im curious after taihou comes who is better

taihou should be better but who knows

[buoyant parrot]

our guild is being visited by Sandy

[grave gale]

I definitely wanna try taihou when we get her

more like I want an excuse to raise her

[zenith tundra]

farming 4.3m xp on a ship only really useful in pvp is so fun

not like she isnt viable in pve but not sure how much better then others

[grave gale]

I dread 120 for that exact reason. A lot of work to raise pvp only ships to 120 and I learned from experience that a 10 level difference between you and your opponent makes it very easy to lose matches.

[zenith tundra]

took me 11 days for 4.3m on nagato. im not looking forward to any new level caps or at least i hope its gonna be 5 at a time instead of 10 or they nerf xp curve

[real notch]

well it appears exp isn't capped now anyways

you can probably save up for 120

[random vault]

mfw i lost one battle today cause i mistimed my hiryuu and didnt see that one single fighter plane heading my way

[zenith tundra]

i already have 2.3m on nagato

just thinking about another 4m for 130

[shy hazel]

just put amagi in the slot where hiryuu is

ez trigger airstrike faster

[random vault]

i mean my frontline isnt the best so its kinda on me

shouldnt worry too much abt 130 imo

since cn jp havent got it yet

[zenith tundra]

i don't see the game ending at w13

and w14 is 130 or 125 at least

and it scales by twice the xp for each new 10 levels

[trim horizon]

Voice telling that Zeppy has secondary gun

[zenith tundra]

[zenith tundra]

i didn't think about that but it's definitely worse then 2 fighters slots with extra eff on german planes

also that rips any use for zeppy

good

[random vault]

make her a healer

[zenith tundra]

whatever it is 🚮 in pvp

[trim horizon]

^ didn't expected anything anyway

If you're interested in the color skills

[random vault]

yea you shouldnt expect them to like beat namaryuu

[random vault]

i only wanna know what skills they got

actually do we have kizuna stats

i wanna see how bad they are

[zenith tundra]

zeppy was interesting for graf zepp fdg meta

guess kms has to wait for bismark

[lament lichen]

i saw the kizunas skills

[zenith tundra]

are they as bad as nep or usable at least?

[trim horizon]

should I post her stat ?

[shy hazel]

post it

[trim horizon]

http://prntscr.com/nh0uib

[zenith tundra]

i don't think anyone minds it

[lament lichen]

its in chinese

[vagrant veldt]

DD Ai has decent stats and her abilities are usable

[zenith tundra]

those stats don't look so bad

[vagrant veldt]

1st skill every 20s debuff enemy stats by 8% for 8s. tiny chance to increase enemy stats

[lament lichen]

one of her skills is 12.5% chance proc to avoid all attack and increase speed by 20%

[trim horizon]

inb4 she's doable in pvp

[lament lichen]

for 3 secs

[vagrant veldt]

second skill 12% to trigger on taking damage, evade all attacks for 3s and release torpedo barrage, after the 3s increase evasion by 40% for 3s

barrage has a limit of 3 triggers

[shy hazel]

that sounds like nnoda hey

[zenith tundra]

without that limit that looked really good

[shy hazel]

3 is enuf in pvp?

[lament lichen]

the poor man nanoda

i mean its 9 secs at most

probalby usable for those without

[zenith tundra]

does it have cd?

[vagrant veldt]

CA Ai, 6% FP buff for each Ai, if no other Ai, reduce damage taken by 15% for 30s

[lament lichen]

theres no cd

[shy hazel]

oh nvm

if it has cd it can dodge some airstrikes

should be

[vagrant veldt]

CA Ai second skill, decrease burn time by 3s, decrease HE damage by 15%

[shy hazel]

good for w10

[vagrant veldt]

DD Ai's torpedo barrage is 104*6 modifiers 80 100 130

CV Ai, release a barrage after first 30s, 45s, 60s. 3 bombers carrying 322 damage bomb and 2*138 bombs

[zenith tundra]

aren't those default torp modifiers?

[lament lichen]

meanwhile kisaragi retro gets the double torp skill

[vagrant veldt]

CV Ai second skill, when with another Ai, she basically gets the assault carrier skill

and it lasts 8s

BB Ai, main gun spread increase by 1, crit% increase by 30%, after first 16s 70% to release barrage. 62x20 AP shells modifiers 110 90 70 and torpedos 144x6 modifiers 80 100 130

BB Ai second skill, accuracy & evasion increase by 25%

[zenith tundra]

those are decent skills at least for all of them

[vagrant veldt]

they seem reeally good

[lament lichen]

did the chinese people get the skills for the lolis

[vagrant veldt]

her stats also good

they got everyting

Im getting to it

[lament lichen]

i found kisaragis

trying to find the lolis now

[vagrant veldt]

Hiei, every 20s release torpedos, 72*8 modifiers 80 100 130

Hiei second skill, every 20s decrease burn damage taken by main fleet by 60% for 8s

[trim horizon]

I still hope for the PR BPs

[zenith tundra]

don't get ur hopes up tbh

[vagrant veldt]

Zepplin chan, every 8s increase FP by 80, after 3 stacks it releases a special barrage and removes the buff, when equipped with secondary gun, strengthens barrage

[shy hazel]

restart alrdy stated that pr bps

will be in bel event

[vague token]

that's a weird timing for that burn reduction

[trim horizon]

nice

[zenith tundra]

so they announced it? good last time i asked there were no info

[shy hazel]

were not sure about kizuna

[vagrant veldt]

28x16 AP modifiers 110 90 70 (0 penetration), 20x24 HE modifiers 120 60 60, 31x24 AP modifiers 110 90 70 (0 penetration). strengthened version replaces HE with AP

[shy hazel]

cos kizuna supposed to have pr2

[trim horizon]

is that Zeppy ?

[shy hazel]

im also a lurker at gfeedback so it should be there

[zenith tundra]

i must be really bored to check #game-feedback

[vagrant veldt]

Zepplin chan second skill, for every Ironblood ships, increase own aviation, AA & reload by 5%

[zenith tundra]

can zeppy not equip secondary gun and equip planes instead? the wording on her skill is a bit weird

[lament lichen]

dat 25%

[vagrant veldt]

Akagi chan, if Sakura ships are >3, after first 12s release barrage
second skill, give lowest HP% vanguard 5s true evasion on air support

[zenith tundra]

5 sec for more yukikaze memes lol

[vagrant veldt]

seems they are still datamining akagi's barrage

Kaga's 1st CV will be triggered by Akagi chan

[zenith tundra]

that sounds good based on her barrage ofc

[vagrant veldt]

Zepplin chan can equip CL guns in her third slot

[zenith tundra]

but u cannot equip planes there right?

[vagrant veldt]

DD Ai second skill has 10s initial CD

CA Ai is mgm +1

CV Ai, is F D T

[zenith tundra]

do dd and ca kizuma have normal barrages?

[vagrant veldt]

didn't mention all out assaults so likely like Purple Heart etc.

[zenith tundra]

that's usually what makes these type of ships kind of meh

[vagrant veldt]

Zepplin is FDD with third spot replaceable with CL guns

[zenith tundra]

that's actually good and iteresting

[buoyant parrot]

done fixing ship analysis text and box format

[random vault]

zeppy is gonna be good in full kms rofl

[zenith tundra]

her reload is still as bad as graf tho

with 2 dive

[trim horizon]

I might try building a KMS fleet even before FdG

[zenith tundra]

u can still go zeppy graf tirp but it's so slow especially in namagi/nakaga meta

[red nexus]

It should be a decent defensive setup

[random vault]

some ppl saying bb kizuna is good?

[vagrant veldt]

New equipment

word generator: 25 accuracy, 15evasion, applies random weapon skins when equipped by Ai

???: 500HP, 2 luck, includes equipped ship as part of Ai's faction

somethingsomething: 245HP, 8 speed, when equipped by Ai, change auto patterns (no effect in PVP and after the event)

[red nexus]

With zepp reducing damage taken by all kms z 25s flagship cover hipper vice defence

[trim horizon]

tbh I just wanna see Tirpitz used in pvp, her demerit is a huge joke, but yea KMS pace is awful

[zenith tundra]

the problem still is that u get 1 airstrike in the time amagi gets 2 barrages off

[random vault]

but yea idk why would you use kms in pvp

theyre still bad in pvp terms

unless u a big big fan of em

[red nexus]

Yeah all tgis damage reduction still won't make up for the dmg they lack

[random vault]

im... a bit disappointed by zeppy

i wanted her to be a support ship

not a pow

[zenith tundra]

tirp dmg as good as she is in not enough at least before shells to make up for the lack of a barrage

[lament lichen]

the last thing is just a toolbox that changes the boat faction to kizuna ai lul

[zenith tundra]

?

what's that supposed to be

like i put it on nagato and she's no longer an ijn ship?

[random vault]

wtf

LOL

thats so meme

making ur ships betray their factions

[trim horizon]

event mechanic prob

[lament lichen]

theres apparently gates in the event map

[random vault]

oh god

dont tell me

only kizuna faction allowed to sortie

noooooooo

[trim horizon]

[lament lichen]

rescue missions again

[zenith tundra]

i'm not even gonna bother then... belchan event farm gonna be so much better waste of oil

[random vault]

do we only get one of each equipment

having more of those toolboxes is nice

even if its just additional +2 luck lol

[lament lichen]

dunno

[vagrant veldt]

corrections: DD Ai second skill has 10s CD, BB Ai's barrage triggers every 16s (70%)

[lament lichen]

enemy fleet will have icons that indicate random special abilities, such as focusing fire on your backline, additional barrages aimed at your frontline, and extra bullet blocking shields

[vagrant veldt]

it seems there are 10 rainbow PR prints...........

[zenith tundra]

time to use my pvp backlines to crush any type of ship for fun

[random vault]

wait for those equips

[lament lichen]

yeah 10 rainbow prints

[random vault]

are they at +10?

when giving those +hp stats

my poor gen plates

[zenith tundra]

are rainbow supposed to be some kind of universal bp for pr2?

[random vault]

ya

[vagrant veldt]

they are for Azuma and FdG

[random vault]

pr1 is universal gold bp

but i think can use for anyone thats not azuma fdg also in pr2

[vagrant veldt]

currently for each rainbow PR print, you would have 6 to 10 gold PR print

[zenith tundra]

i think i would choose kita as pr2 1st ship

[vagrant veldt]

which means to get Azuma and FdG D30, you would have over 5000 excess gold PR prints

[shy hazel]

did it upload awhile ago

[hybrid tendon]

well kms in pvp only when bismarck released

[odd schooner]

I pushed

[hybrid tendon]

and shes OP

and we can field her with fdg

[zenith tundra]

how many +9/8 @odd schooner

[odd schooner]

2

+9

[zenith tundra]

lol

[shy hazel]

time bisko is released so is yamato and iowa

and maybe king george v for hms

[hybrid tendon]

i missed 7 fights this season and have given up

[odd schooner]

Maintenance end is like 1am in my place

[hybrid tendon]

only fight low fleets for exp now

[odd schooner]

• funeral service so ye

I won't be on until tomorrow

[hybrid tendon]

i was reading a really good book

and voila

[odd schooner]

I can sneak on discord tho

[zenith tundra]

i play pvp for fun trying to find good comps to test against

[hybrid tendon]

when I finished the book

6 hours passed

[trim horizon]

just wanna use Tirpitz, but whatever they made her a PvE ships

[hybrid tendon]

well at least tirpitz is super strong in pve

[vagrant veldt]

Ai's stats and skill look really good. should be comfortable for levelling

[hybrid tendon]

if i'm not mistaken, the damage skill increases AA damage

as well

[vagrant veldt]

Ai PVP fleet + Sandy

[hybrid tendon]

its pretty much +30% on all output

[shy hazel]

im gonna stay till maint ends

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna to go to bed and wake up magically just after maint as always

[hybrid tendon]

I'll suffer

[vagrant veldt]

Zepplin chan is all aircraft +2 and mgm +1 and the usual hangar +1

[zenith tundra]

9 planes?

[vagrant veldt]

seems like it

[zenith tundra]

[trim horizon]

interesting

[zenith tundra]

isn't that a secondary gun +1 instead of mgm +1

[vagrant veldt]

yes

[random vault]

did anyone fully translate the kizuna skills

[zenith tundra]

u can scroll up a bit

yawn posted all their skills

someone else rushing like gurren

[buoyant parrot]

If maint extends beyond 10 hours your 5/10 is fucked up

[lament lichen]

true

[zenith tundra]

i'm 7 behind do u think i care at all about this season???

[buoyant parrot]

Not you, you already miss. But for those who didn't it's F

[lament lichen]

also novae is ahead of me

[zenith tundra]

i don't even think the maint will be longer ther 7hrs

[lament lichen]

dude getting lucky with +2

[trim horizon]

so, who rushed all their attempts here ?

[zenith tundra]

@elder crane finally something worth testing against

[shy hazel]

its above neko

all of it

[shell heron]

I didn't rush all 10 of my attempts but I did my 5

[random vault]

nah

good skills on wrong botes

to sum it up lol

[vague token]

to be fair, we need more good skills on weak ships so they can be true support ;)

[zenith tundra]

nakaga stands no chance against that... getting crushed so badly with it

[random vault]

if only zeppy is a healer

[shell heron]

And that's just normal Hiryuu

[vagrant veldt]

zepplin chan has to be able to get MVP was the intention of her design

[random vault]

yea this zeppy is very offensive

but not the kind of offensive we want smh

[vagrant veldt]

since Ironblood backlines are inaccessible for new players

[zenith tundra]

wtf is this

opponent nagato also barrage

guess i win by hp

[vagrant veldt]

Hiryuu bringing a smile to EN player's faces

[zenith tundra]

not impossible to beat tho

there is also another yukikaze around

[random vault]

ye

[vagrant veldt]

BB Ai and CA Ai seems strong enough

[random vault]

akagichan mayyybeee has value in a 3:1 pve fleet but like

with 3:1 what kind of frontline cant survive

bb ai is good but we got too many good bbs out there tbh

[random vault]

oof

[zenith tundra]

too bad didn't see nagato salvos

[vagrant veldt]

CA Ai is a bit low on evasion and doesn't have speed skill like Saint Louis but otherwise seem like a lesser Saint Louis

[random vault]

how does the damage reduction skill work for CA Ai

it works only for first 30 secs, then vanishes?

[zenith tundra]

i completely missed her normal attack

[vague token]

how much hp on CA Ai?

does she work with sheffy?

=D

[vagrant veldt]

around 5k

[random vault]

5020 hp at lv120

[vague token]

oh, that's too much

xD

[random vault]

too high

[vagrant veldt]

2 potential damage reduction skills

[sharp obsidian]

10 hour maintenance in a while. PSA to use up attacks if you will be fast asleep before maintenance ends 😃

[random vault]

had to take 2 +9

[vagrant veldt]

@elder crane forgot to mention the other time, Sheffield's blue skill lasts indefinitely and won't be removed on death

[sharp obsidian]

@random vault , same but I learned already from the last maint. These things could extend and better safe than sorry

[hot creek]

what did we ever have a maintenance that delayed past a pvp reset?

[random vault]

nah we havent got one that bad

[sharp obsidian]

The last one came dangerously close, 2 hours left till a PVP reset

[random vault]

but it could happen this time

[sharp obsidian]

this one was announced as a 10 hour one so only 2 hours left till reset

But those playing in Asia would be more troubled since the maint starts at 03:00 PM and ends at 01:00 AM, PVP Reset is at 03:00 AM so best to use up all attacks before maint

[vague token]

oh i should actually do them then

cause ill be asleep and then go to work

[blazing scroll]

It could also be the case that they rather say 10hrs maintenance and be done in 8hrs

[vague token]

and probably wont be able to catch up before the reset after

[blazing scroll]

At least that is what I hope

[sharp obsidian]

It could go either way, but for me it is better safe than to lose attacks 😃

[random vault]

^

[blazing scroll]

Fair enough

[random vault]

knowing myself ill try to wake up at 1am

but then its 10am instead

yeah rofl

rip gen plates

[sharp obsidian]

luncbox?

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[vague token]

oh god i just burned mine xD

[blazing scroll]

Now that I think about it, I might as well use all my attacks too

I will be watching the avengers movie at reset

[vagrant veldt]

maintenance 10hrs?

[blazing scroll]

Yeah

[sharp obsidian]

Yeah, 10 hours is the target time.

Historically, you have a higher chance of it ending earlier than the said time. But the few times it extended, it was a long extension.

[blazing scroll]

I remember the days when maintenance could be done within 4hrs

[vague token]

more like par for the course

black heart cough

[blazing scroll]

[vague token]

eg consistent

with previous collab

[blazing scroll]

pvp is about skills anyway

[vague token]

it's about skills to a point

base stats are still important

and then you get ships who just say yes ill take both

xD

[blazing scroll]

Look at aurora, her base stats aren't that great at all

True

[vague token]

also aurora's skill would be less valuable if certain ships couldnt rush damage out faster than the majority of defense skills

xD

[blazing scroll]

hides safely in smokescreen

[vague token]

that's why you just shoot the backline ;)

or be nagato and shoot full screen

kek

[blazing scroll]

True but then you wouldn't use aurora anymore

[vague token]

exactly

;)

personally id like to see a CA with an ability that decreases evasion rate on gun hit

so it starts as a slow build but then they can help shred evaders

instead of getting memed on

due to movespeed

and evasion rate

xD

i mean, i dont want to make an op ship that just exists

lol

im not crazy

[hot creek]

do you still get base score if you attack someone who's same score as you but higher ranked?

[blazing scroll]

Never had that happen to me

[vague token]

they dont need homing

they just need an attack angle

[blazing scroll]

But I guess you should get base 🤔

[vague token]

that is wider than 38 degrees

or w/e tiny angle it is

like sure, it doesnt have to be 360 like the dd guns

but seriously

it's so tiny

also, boost the range to like

90

so they can shoot main fleet

if the angle is bad

for vanguard

that way they can contribute to main fleet pressure

as if they were a torp user

on a "vanguard miss"

balanced

like, unless you use the AP guns anyways it's not a big deal for backline pressure

unlike torps

it's just a bit

just make it part of the pvp modifier kek

jk

i mean CLs get 15% damage

why not a pvp mod that says +50% range and +50% angle

is the angle even a modifiable stat?

i dont think any skills have adjusted gun angles

yet

oh i see gurren

[shy hazel]

genrush soon huh

[vague token]

oh he's using ryuusei

no wonder i didnt notice as much coming from hiryuu

hiryuu seems to have trouble with me running sheffield/sirius for AA xD

and the +50 aa on sara retro lol

5:1 so far

that's an oof

i think sara excels at long fights due to dot ticks, but against nagato fleets with torp fronts it's just too fast for her to contribute

cause she has the hp and AA to shrug off non-kai hiryuu

and then flood/fires the vanguard or if those whiff maybe the main fleet and then you just win over time

[vague token]

t4 but still better than base hiei probs

xD

[trim horizon]

Overall meta or just inbetween those ship ?

[vagrant veldt]

PVE meta

[trim horizon]

Oh

[hot creek]

which update was the one where they had a bunch of delays, anyone remember?

[shy hazel]

the first t0.5 collab

zufuckinglul

[zenith tundra]

???

pr ships are collab

[shy hazel]

pve though

hey technically part collab only

cos u farm for it

[vagrant veldt]

CA Ai with other Ais has damage of Mogami kai and survivability of Takao
CA Ai by herself has damage lesser than Takao and survivability of first 50s Saint Louis

[shy hazel]

no one will make fun of

hai domo

now

i wonder if i can still top ten pvp with my super casual sandbagging

lets see

[vagrant veldt]

BB Ai is basically slight lesser Washington barrage and without her high AA

new PVP levelling team for new players

CV Ai is rated Hornet plus

[vague token]

lol

[hot creek]

used two extra charges than normal in case it delays past reset, had to eat a +9 feelsbadman

its an ok compromise though i guess

[elder crane]

Oh man, Zack sacrificed to test PvP
I'm so sorry, but also not really

[shy hazel]

zack lost to sleep

so he used the season to test anywys

[zenith tundra]

from -7 to -8 not like it changes much

[shy hazel]

now time for 10 hours maint

[zenith tundra]

i don't think nakaga stands a chance against ur namaryuu tbh my 2 tries i felt like getting crushed

[shy hazel]

laters

[elder crane]

Hmm
I wonder if 155 still does better than 127 vs Nakaga then

[zenith tundra]

u are using hsfcr on nagato?

[elder crane]

Nope

Amagi

[zenith tundra]

i felt like the timing was a bit off

for hsfcr amagi

just my impression i guess

[elder crane]

Nagato barrage travels slowly, so I think no HFCR still allows it to proc before enemy Nagato barrage lands

[vagrant veldt]

Im pretty sure Amagi's second barrage hits Enterprise's LuckyE no matter what

[elder crane]

It does unless you run 406s or something

[vagrant veldt]

406 over spills damage

[elder crane]

Haven't found it to be an issue though, killing E

[vagrant veldt]

381 with the 4 aimed shells is already out damaging a lot of backlines against enemies not opposite of her

[random vault]

why is ca ai rated so high

i get that she got that saintlouis-esque protecction but like

[vagrant veldt]

the reasoning was fully buffed Ai is comparable to Mogami kai's output with Takao survivability, defence is comparable to Engine boost Saint Louis

[random vault]

but in what situation will you use a fully ai fleet

her defence is great but she barely does much damage alone

[vagrant veldt]

Saint Louis' level of survivability is quite impressive

could be considered for PVP

[random vault]

but shes not as speedy as saint louis

her speed may burden your vanguard

i cant really see her as more than a slightly better portkai

but maybe i underestimate that survivability? idk

[vagrant veldt]

Saint Louis should be top 3 in singular ship EHP

[vague token]

just use more boilers!

xD

[elder crane]

Stats given are for 120, right?

[random vault]

yeah

[vagrant veldt]

her evasion is quite low

[elder crane]

Looks comparable to Minneapolis

[random vault]

its like she's good at tanking but she's not exactly the best tank

minneapolis hits harder

[elder crane]

Under full buff, only by a bit

[random vault]

higher maingun coefficient and fp

[elder crane]

Minneapolis has about same baseFP

125 vs 110 eff

[random vault]

oh right 258 and 255 fair enough thats too close

its more than maingun coefficient that worries me

[elder crane]

Minnie buff to FP is 15%, AI goes up to 24%

[random vault]

but the AI buff requires full AI fleet

i get that it makes her stronk but why would you want an AI full fleet

[elder crane]

Yeah, but it's close enough to start with as baseline for comparison

[random vault]

unless the special event toolbox can change a character to be recognized as another Ai chan

[elder crane]

Especially since eHP wise, they are comparable too

If we assume Minnie gets 24% heal off

[random vault]

yea i guess you could argue theyre quite neck to neck

[elder crane]

Minneapolis edges out on damage in most cases, also slightly on AA

[random vault]

but i probably see no reason to get her if i have minneapolis

[elder crane]

Very close comparison tbh

[random vault]

not like its that problematic, she is free if you want her

but idk i feel like portkai is also comparably useful and much easier to get

[elder crane]

What are the plane loadouts, for AI and Zeppy?

[vagrant veldt]

FDT FDD for zepplin

zepplin aircraft +2

slightly more damage than her grown up self apparently

[elder crane]

Wait doesn't that say zeppy has 3/3 then guns?

[vagrant veldt]

https://bbs.nga.cn/read.php?tid=17058391

third slot replaceable with CL guns

[vague token]

what's ai's reload like? minne has a bit higher than usual reload

[elder crane]

About same base

But no further buff

[vague token]

oh her gun efficiencies are a bit eh

[elder crane]

Overall just worse than minnie for PvE it seems

[vague token]

she's like in between portland and minne

cause her fp looks ok

lower aa though

also what's with that destroyer hack

like can they not make a debuff ship that's not as good as amagi or something?

/cries in tennessee

[elder crane]

Nah Minnie with full heal has 3% more HP
AI has HE red, Minnie has all dred on last 40% of HP

Also higher eva and luck on Minnie, by a bit

[vague token]

also wait

does that destroyer version have a cooldown on that dodge

lol

[elder crane]

10s

[vague token]

oh ok

got worried

[vagrant veldt]

likely not restricted by copyright holders this time

[vague token]

i mean, was neptunia even restricted, it's not like the ships remotely match their ch/if counterparts

[vagrant veldt]

last collab (not wows) copyright holders demanded that their characters cannot be meta as part of their conditions

[vague token]

they had pretty much full creative license

unless you mean the anime one

[vagrant veldt]

and it is also in AL's interest to have everything resume back to normal after the collab. except wows since they basically have a political marriage

[elder crane]

AIs don't look to be best option in their roles

[vagrant veldt]

would AL want another collab's characters be stronger or more used than their own?

[vague token]

ai destroyer would be neat if she gave it to everyone

[elder crane]

Though CA looks pretty strong, and BB looks good

[vague token]

she'd be the 10 second eldridge

xD

[vagrant veldt]

the goal is to bring in players from the other side and have them play the AL content instead of just sticking to their collab characters

[vague token]

finally a way to delete foxes from game jk

that's a good way to generate temp players

and then you find out your pull ships are trash

then you leave

xD

[zenith tundra]

i played like all nep games on pc and not really care about the char being in al

[elder crane]

None of the top pf each collab ones are that trash though, I think

[vague token]

i mean neptunia is 100% lol no

[elder crane]

Still better than 80% of all ships

[vagrant veldt]

that other collab's ships were awful

[elder crane]

At least

[vague token]

usable but she's glassy and doesnt do as much as suffolk kai

xD

also expensive

oil wise

another trap

[elder crane]

Same as with uta collab ships
I think you guys underestimate how many bad ships we have in AL XD

[vague token]

yeah but how many are cheap oil xD

most collabs are purple or higher

so they're not just bad

but expensive

and drain newbies resources if they're just joining

=(

[elder crane]

Ai pulls are for BB and CV anyways

CA is reward

[vague token]

so like, do we know if kaga procs with little akagi at least?

[vagrant veldt]

they really didn't want to screw this collab

[vague token]

also why does she have so much hp

[zenith tundra]

is everything special or we have to pull 2 pools?

[vagrant veldt]

1st CV procs

[elder crane]

She has slightly worse stats than big Akagi

[vague token]

i was hoping she'd like fit under sheffield shield

and then you could do a front guard back guard thing

but i guess i dont get to have fun

[vagrant veldt]

Kaga with Agaki chan, BB Kaga with Akagi

[zenith tundra]

fuck that

gonna pull for lolis then

[vague token]

actually all of them have a lot of hp X_x

[elder crane]

About same stats as original version

I suppose it makes sense, e.g. Nagato XD

[vague token]

like little bel has 700 less hp compared to base form

i dont understand

X_x

akagi chan has like 250 less hp

_>

[elder crane]

The mirror tech?

[hazy rain]

namakagi

[vague token]

i mean her stats arent that much lower

and you can fix her damage with nagato

[hazy rain]

I already use namakagi

[elder crane]

Drop your own dmg by 1/4 to shield a Vanguard

Ehhhh

[vague token]

i mean if you were doing nagahiryuu

it's an ok trade

not if you were doing dual fox

[elder crane]

Would only shield vs foxes though, no?

[zenith tundra]

problem is what does that even block with current timing?

[vague token]

wait, is that a real airstrike

at 12s?

[elder crane]

Yes

[hazy rain]

tbh that buff looks strong on a 1:1

[vague token]

then at 12 you should dodge 381 from nagato?

[hazy rain]

5s immunity every 20 seconds

thats freaking 25% immunity uptime

[elder crane]

Nagato with HFCR maybe

[vague token]

cause it's from 12-17

[elder crane]

Bombs for Akaga are right after you shield as akagichan

[vague token]

and it's % based

not flat

[elder crane]

Could be interesting in mirror I think, and that's it

[vague token]

so just toss someone in tank slot

and they'll probably get shielded

ill try her as a solo i guess

[vagrant veldt]

it apparently does

[elder crane]

12-17 then, what, 34-39 ish?

What does that even stop though, other than foxes

2nd Nagato barrage, true

Nagato HFCR 381 might get 2nd barrage off b4 shield
But then 1st barrage hits shield

Nagato 410 I think completely avoids, HFCR makes 2nd shielded though I think

[zenith tundra]

are lolis limited or permanent?

ofc

[vague token]

limited in the special build

reee

[elder crane]

How fast does Nakaga load strikes again?

[vagrant veldt]

about 10s or 12

[modern tree]

11-32

[zenith tundra]

20.9-21 with nagato buff at max oath 110

that is base airstrike

[elder crane]

Akagi chan 12 s strike counts as 1st normal strike, or no?

Translation makes it seem like it doesn't

[zenith tundra]

[elder crane]

If it isn't....

[vague token]

if it isnt it'd be pretty bad

for pvp

[elder crane]

What, it'd be OP, no?

Extra strike in then normal CV timings

[vagrant veldt]

Akagi chan's 12s is a barrage

[vague token]

if it's a barrage and not like hiryuu's final counter

[elder crane]

So alpha strike potential os higher than Akagi

[vague token]

that's a bench

[vagrant veldt]

3D carrying 226 damage(500lb) and 96x2 damage (100lb)

[vague token]

sounds like a bench

[elder crane]

Wait it doesn't count as a normal strike?

RIP viability then

[zenith tundra]

u can use her for extra damage

[vague token]

i guess we benching all of them then

xD

[elder crane]

Not really on AA there
More enemy fighters launched maybe

[vague token]

i mean it's like, half a zero's worth of damage

if it's 1 500 and 2 100s

_>

you'll eat more in fighter suicide kek

[elder crane]

Fighter AA isn't that great
More about extra suicide damage

[vague token]

against 2 carriers you'd be negative damage probably

lol

as they'd just nuke the 3 planes

and then you eat 4 fighters

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga is in the same boat tbh

[vague token]

hyuuga has big aa though

[vagrant veldt]

hyuuga is like 25s take off

[vague token]

and big guns

xD

[elder crane]

No floatplane mounted Hyuuga better option?

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

lucky enough hyuuga airstrike is so slow that it almost doesnt matter

[vague token]

but then your fleet power goes down

and that's just lameeee

[elder crane]

Delay that hyuuga strike for as long as possible
Since it's negative damage

[zenith tundra]

maybe +0 zuin is better

[vague token]

how much bomb damage do those things even do anyways

[elder crane]

1x500lb

[vague token]

well, at least she has 200% efficiency

xD

[random vault]

akagichan with ykkz meme in pvp rofl

thatll be hilarious

[elder crane]

Wait til core data shop gives the 1600lb bomb floatplane

Basically it's a BTD, almost, what with Hyuuga 200% eff

[random vault]

does akagi airstrike skill basically is a once a battle thing?

[vague token]

if it's a barrage, probably

it doesnt say anything about relaunch

[elder crane]

Ehh, low aviation nvm, more like a comet

[random vault]

namagikagichan

[zenith tundra]

nagato baga akagi-chan

[elder crane]

Namakagichan

[random vault]

nah imo if u wanna run akagichan youre going for tanking already'

have to be namagi

[vague token]

i feel like if her skill doesnt proc it you might as well just meme on illustrious or something

[zenith tundra]

but my comp is a better meme

[elder crane]

Also no Baga akagichan special synergy

[random vault]

but on the other hand can akagichan even survive long enough

to pull out at least 2 airstrikes

[elder crane]

Better output than lusty though

[random vault]

damage wise looks ok

[hazy rain]

time to level up my belfast and juneau

[vague token]

xD

[hazy rain]

namakagichan here I go

[elder crane]

Lolified loli=cube

[random vault]

or you know what

namagi hieichan

💦

60% burn reduction + amagi buff

[hazy rain]

I forgot hiei chan existed xd

[zenith tundra]

20s timing is so bad in pvp

[random vault]

i mean itll die vs nakaga for sure but

arent other comps somewhere around the 20s duration

[zenith tundra]

any 381 shoots before that

[elder crane]

For fires? 20-28 is perfect for 1st volley

Fires last 15s

[hazy rain]

cries in rainbow

[elder crane]

40-48 is tail end of fires set by second volley

[random vault]

unfortunately hiei chan does literally nothing worthwhile besides her burn debuff

i wonder if DD ai can be useful

that hacking skill sounds so stupid

[elder crane]

Yeah, if only Hieichan had better stats than Hiei

Or a actually good barrage instead of piddly torps

[random vault]

oh she can randomly increase enemy stats too

wtf

[elder crane]

Increase Enty stats right as she strikes

[vague token]

i mean, it's still better than hiei base

xD

[elder crane]

Or nagato right as she barrages

[random vault]

hiei base is quite a low bar tbh

[vague token]

the hack skill is basically the all in rng of interference

but worse

because instead of just 25% chance to arbitrarily decrease stats

instead you have a chance of boosting their stats

detailed description for interference and a proc rate buff when yostar

seriously, too many 20 second skills in this game

xD

still 0 decision making on when to use 406 vs 381/410 since shooting sooner = enemy dead sooner = they do 0 damage

=(

with a few exceptions

[hazy rain]

dw, we will eventually get 10k HP* ships meta

[vague token]

hp creep xD

[zenith tundra]

it's still 1 ship and ws kai will just wreck another one instead

[vague token]

clearly they just need to multiply hp more

another 2x

[zenith tundra]

also that 19 oil cost on fdg is so dumb

[vague token]

kek

oh god

19?

[zenith tundra]

the wiki says 19

[vague token]

what is yamato going to be X_x

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Friedrich_der_Grosse#Level_120_
just check 120 stats it's 19

azuma is 16 for a vg ship lol

[vagrant veldt]

oil costs is a small price

getting D30 is on the scale of years

[zenith tundra]

even with event bps for them?

[vagrant veldt]

2 from mail and 10 from event

rainbow PR prints

[shy hazel]

oh

[vagrant veldt]

over 1000 rainbow and 1000 gold PR prints to graduate PR2

[shy hazel]

rainbow pr prints are different categories

zulul

[vagrant veldt]

but the gathered data suggest the ratio of 1 rainbow print to gold prints is 1:6.4

lowest was 1:4 and severe cases are 1:10 or even 1:25

[shy hazel]

i guess thats a reason to pump pr2 to en asap

[zenith tundra]

can u do pr1 and pr2 research at same time?

[shy hazel]

from what ppl say yes?

though universal pr

bp

will be in trouble

[buoyant parrot]

jesus I started panicking... Was playing Azur Lane & EVE Online suddenly laptop shutdown and won't turn on... I ended up opening the entire laptop to the point I added extra RAM then it turned back on

I don't want to buy new laptop just yet!

this is my only AL Macine :(

[shy hazel]

what is your laptoo

[buoyant parrot]

Alienware 17R2 2014

[shy hazel]

i just bought a predator like two days ago

must be overheating

👀

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

[shy hazel]

time to replace thermal paste

[buoyant parrot]

I'm going to replace her soon with a Asus Mothership as soon that thing comes out... Until then this laptop needs to hold on

I just did

[shy hazel]

why u using game laptop on al anyways

waste of specs and electricity

[buoyant parrot]

because why not? I play AL on 1 monitor then another MMO

I wan't AL to always be on my monitor screen

[shy hazel]

👀

a big phone can be a better monitor

u can touch it too

easier controls

[buoyant parrot]

can a phone be bigger than a 21" monitor?

[shy hazel]

you can rush to open it too when u sleep on pvp and wake up seeing only five mins left

[elder crane]

Also, thoughts on new aux equips?

[shy hazel]

the auto changing one

is interesting

[random vault]

but thats event only

outside event its just a worse toolbox lol

[shy hazel]

useless then

[random vault]

the +2 luck toolbox equip doe

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

15 eva 25 hit one seems interesting
Will do some calcs soonish

[random vault]

that seemed very interesting, forcing your ships to betray their own faction

[zenith tundra]

is the luck bonus also event related?

[random vault]

prob not

no mention of that being event locked

[shy hazel]

i dont even understand how luck worka

is it crit

or something

[random vault]

its everything

[zenith tundra]

hit and dodge

[shy hazel]

i see

[zenith tundra]

?luck

[hidden wyvern]

The luck stat is a hidden stat that affects hit rate and dodge rate. The calculation for this formula is described here.

You can see a list of ship's luck and hit stats (normally hidden in game) here

[random vault]

how much does sg radar give again

[hazy rain]

hit/crit and eva

[random vault]

lmao rip then

[elder crane]

Yeah, for some reason thought SG was +11 eva not +15

[random vault]

dont think so

the only time its mentioned to be event locked

is the auto changing thingy

for the +245 hp aux

[zenith tundra]

2 luck is 0.2 hit and evasion chance

[elder crane]

.2% hitrate dodgerate is... Meh though

Maybe on ykkz

[random vault]

butbut we must minmax to the last percentage

[elder crane]

Idk, lunchbox HP heal larger effect I think

[random vault]

well a minor thing but toolbox also can heal a bit hp

or run both for 4 luck

well its gold rarity

rip aux plates

[shy hazel]

i just maxed my 5th sg

i got no plates

[hazy rain]

fleet power!

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

Time to say fack u to these aux

Lunchbox cheaper to upgrade though

Gold is what, 50% more plates?

[random vault]

well i doubt we're getting many of those equips

unless theyre farmable

then

[modern tree]

Lunchbox with luck sounds like pvp meta

[hazy rain]

farmable like VDIRR planes

[elder crane]

2 luck impact 2 small

I'd take the regen over it

[modern tree]

It's more than 0

[elder crane]

0.2% more evarate and hitrate

[hazy rain]

double lunchbox

[modern tree]

Oh I will

[elder crane]

Need to reach 80% eva to get +1% eHP

[modern tree]

Ykkz needs her clean 100 luck

[elder crane]

Box regens that much every 15s

By 45s box better even if at eva cap

Maybe if you have ship that doesn't live to 15s

[hazy rain]

it will prob be short lived anyway even on yukikaze

i think we will get gold toolboxes eventually

[elder crane]

Ykkz doesn't do 2 boxes anyways

[hazy rain]

what does she go?

[elder crane]

For PvP

[hazy rain]

boiler memes?

[elder crane]

Fire ext for sure, then boiler or box

A fire does over half her HP otherwise

[hazy rain]

can every single hit from barrage cause fire?

[vague token]

fire doesnt stack

thankfully

that'd be busted

[elder crane]

Barrage fire only does 1/3 HP or so

[hazy rain]

"only"

[vague token]

the bigger danger is a nagato shell setting you on fire

then getting it refreshed

by the slow barrage

although it's like 1 tick

[coral wren]

SHOULD I PUT ANTI TORP ON BACKLINE

[vague token]

so not a huge deal

[elder crane]

Well, Amagi fire refreshed mainly

[vague token]

yeah

[coral wren]

why does jintsuu aya comps torps hurt so bad

[elder crane]

Amagi hits, Nagato barrage refreshes

If not ext, that's all of ykkz hp

[vague token]

doesnt hiryuu dunk on torp memes

xD

[coral wren]

she loses half hp

from 1 torp

fk u mean

I am actually scared of jintsuu aya vgs

[vague token]

sounds like you need a pocket leander

[coral wren]

opening torp. torps gets whole backline down to 70%

[elder crane]

Ehh, I haven't had any issue

[vague token]

and just run into them

xD

[elder crane]

Have speed memes vanguard sweep torps clean

[coral wren]

I even went 406 to clear the vg faster

on amagi

[elder crane]

...

[coral wren]

and I only have 2 boilers. 1 on ykk and 1 on jesus

cus I need anti torp

the torps just hurt too much

[elder crane]

...........
Did you actually risk losing at any point or was just spooked

[coral wren]

I think I was close to lose once

it was a mirror

[vague token]

lol

[coral wren]

yea

when she pops DEMON

[elder crane]

Cause pretty sure you were just spooked by torpmemes vanguard

[vague token]

aya hurts until she gets dunked by your mainfleet

and with no juneau rip their mainfleet

catches all the cuda

xD

[coral wren]

is 406 the best gun to kill vgs?

I just wanna make the enemy vg disappear

[vague token]

lol

[coral wren]

I am even using aurora jesus ykk

[zenith tundra]

if u hate vg just use nakaga

[coral wren]

no. I dont like fox

I have been building namaryuu since the first time I saw it in CN

[zenith tundra]

do u hate more foxes or torp vg?

[coral wren]

I mean I can handle torp vg with aurora

so I guess foxes

[elder crane]

Aurora

[coral wren]

she actually makes them die really fast

amagi hits them with a 406 and they are basicly dead

tho amagi is realyl shit at aiming

only hits first shells

always

[ionic magnet]

406 on amagi wat

[coral wren]

idk I read that 406 is good for killing vg

so I tried it

I like it

[random vault]

[ionic magnet]

so much wasted dps

[modern tree]

Dps lul

[elder crane]

Idk, every time I face any sort of mirror comp with torpVG it's an easy win
And all other fleets I've seen are easy wins

[coral wren]

I cant have a damn jintsuu boosted ayaya firing her torps

that hits couple thousand dmg per torp

[ionic magnet]

hmm wrong word its not dps but yea something something damage

[elder crane]

Even with main fleet smackedby torps

[modern tree]

406 has a specific purpose and will always be better than anything else for that purpose

[elder crane]

More about Amagi being 1 barrage behind

[ionic magnet]

406 is just too slow theres no excuse to use it on barrage botes

[modern tree]

Killing vg is a sure win if you have hiryuu cuz final counter just shits on the backliners clean

And Amagi is a fox

[coral wren]

her first shot is still really fast

[elder crane]

410s pretty sure still better than 406 with vanguard dead

[coral wren]

its mainly used to KILL vgs

[modern tree]

You will always get an extra shot over other bbs and if it's more impactful than theirs you wib

Killing vg is the highest priority for namagi imho

[elder crane]

More fires, faster timing for barrage, not actually that much less main gun dmg since 406 has wonkier dispersion

[vagrant veldt]

that's why we bring PR152s

[ionic magnet]

if you want to kill VGs fast wouldnt it be better to fire faster then

[elder crane]

155s for the mirror

[ionic magnet]

its not like 406 is that much reliable than 381/410s

[elder crane]

More range

[modern tree]

It is

[elder crane]

For hitting VG, it is

[ionic magnet]

but it misses most of the time

[vagrant veldt]

152 lock on is 68 pretty sure

[ionic magnet]

prolly 50% at most

[modern tree]

Extra projectiles and spread will hit fast vg more often

[elder crane]

I meant 155 over 127

[coral wren]

a full hit with 406 on a squishy torp squad is deadly

[hazy rain]

what is fire chance in pvp anyway?

[random vault]

if you throw 3 knives at a person, theres more chance at least one knife will hit, compared to throwing 2 knives

[ionic magnet]

it will hit more often but the question is how often

[elder crane]

Fire chance unmodified afaik

[hazy rain]

well, it depends on the knife spread

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

And target speed

[hazy rain]

the quints feel like 100° vs quads 30°

[elder crane]

Spread is not always worse

[hazy rain]

"feel"

[coral wren]

spread with many shells covers a bigger area

[hazy rain]

oo for barrabe spread is def better imo

[elder crane]

Worse vs stationary targets
Not worse or even better vs moving

[hazy rain]

but we were talking torps

[coral wren]

I am up for any ideas that gets vgs killed faster xD

[elder crane]

And def better vs fast moving

[modern tree]

At the end of the day, the boat is still Amagi and 406 fires faster than Nagato s 381

[elder crane]

You're 1 barrage behind enemy Amagi then ofc

[modern tree]

Killing vg is such a free win that I am running multiple oxy torps

[hazy rain]

tbh the only vanguard I fear is Aurora/Sendai/Juneau

[ionic magnet]

what VG are you running anyway that youre so scared of enemy torps

[coral wren]

I fear Jintsuu ayaya. dosnt matter who last one is.

I ran aurora jesus ykk

also tried sheff jesus ykk

[ionic magnet]

which backline?

[coral wren]

namaryuu

aurora seems most consistant with killing enemy vg

[hazy rain]

bandit roon, mom roon, loli roon

[coral wren]

Loli Roon, Mommy Roon, Delinquent Roon

[elder crane]

Aurora makes own vanguard squishy though

[ionic magnet]

did you try jint-aurora-jun/ykkz

[coral wren]

I tried jint jesus ykk

jint is only 108 but she didnt do well

[elder crane]

1:30 is typical Namayuu mirror match time

[coral wren]

around 1min

[ionic magnet]

dont think jintsuu w/o aurora is worth it

[coral wren]

the fight usually lastas

4:10

[elder crane]

More importantly, your amagi barrages first

And so will likely win duel should you duel

[modern tree]

Does not matter if you lose third shot if vg is dead

[coral wren]

the fights actually dosnt last that long in mirror. or maybe cus he uses Belfast Ayaya Jintsuu

so no delaying with ykk

[elder crane]

So far after adjustments I've been at about 80-90% winrate against the most challenging mirrors

[modern tree]

I am running it for a bit now and I can assure you that if absolutely nothing else, it's not worse

[elder crane]

Still steamroll all else ofc

[vagrant veldt]

the 10% is usually when their Yukikaze kites your backlines

1 boiler is enough speed to evade most of 152s

155 seems better for defence fleet

[elder crane]

Half/half losing Vanguard fight really badly or just getting outtraded on main fleet

Usually from really bad barrage RNG

Last reset, e.g., was 4 to 2 amagi procs and 2 to 0 Nagato procs

And VG landed torps on main fleet twice

And still only barely lost trade (attacker advantage )