pvp

[zenith tundra]

lol

it was amakaga with sendai aurora jintsuu. rip my vg and opponent soon after

[vague token]

for me ykk gets surprisingly high damage thanks to nagato and sheffield buffing the hell out of her

although i guess sara also boosts her

i guess i actually have a lot of ykk boosts

now that i think about it lol

[shy hazel]

disgusting sara lover

[buoyant parrot]

TRIGGERED

I don't think I will get a +1 on it

[zenith tundra]

if u can do math u should know

[vague token]

imma try swapping to pirate on sara for hiryuu

might help mitigate some more damage a bit =D

[zenith tundra]

it helps but not against foxes

[vague token]

yeah, but i was using zero so it doesnt change much xD

[buoyant parrot]

I dont know the calculation at this point

all I know is If I'm far by 650 Rank I can gain 100% +1

at what % should you gain point if I know I can do the math

[zenith tundra]

past commodore is 35 score difference

if its 35 or more is +1

[buoyant parrot]

ahh that makes sense

[zenith tundra]

70+ is +2

mostly of the time

unless is a dst season

[buoyant parrot]

I'll just finish this space pirate killing... I'll do the math

[buoyant parrot]

yup

it works

I thought it got something to do with ranking difference I didn't know you can also compute it via point difference

well at least past commodore that is

[zenith tundra]

it works mostly of the time the 35 pts difference. only durring dst 2.0 it didn't because a lot of ppl were stacked around top ranks and u needed a higher difference

[shell heron]

yea, each 35 point difference is +1. very easy to see who gives you +1 if your opponent is rank 100 or higher since you can see their score

[buoyant parrot]

ahhhh fascinating

well thank you that's new to me... Gotta add that to my notes

[zenith tundra]

should i farm for 3 mpre cata bps?

can those be farmed in story chapters?

[shell heron]

Seems to be box only

minus event drops

[zenith tundra]

thx guess time for more d2

[shell heron]

shouldn't be too bad with sirens

[buoyant parrot]

if you care about Fleet Power GET MOAR until all your Aviation Ships have Steam Catapult

[zenith tundra]

even as top 500 in fleet power i don't feel very motivated

[shy hazel]

@livid fractal

time to do your rounds

[buoyant parrot]

such PING very PONG

[vague token]

lol

[shell heron]

Well I moved. If you got me on your list, I'm currently rank 13

[coral wren]

what is fleet power and how is it calculated

[elder crane]

It's on the wiki, some mostly useless formula

[coral wren]

does it take account of your entire dock?

[buoyant parrot]

its exactly what you just said entire dock

it is

[elder crane]

Check the wiki for details is my recommendation

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[coral wren]

that's pretty useless then

[elder crane]

weird mechanic on when dupes count or not

Every limit break counts as diff ship

Retros iirc also do

Otherwise dupes don't count

[livid fractal]

@shy hazel should have waited for more

[buoyant parrot]

well at this point Top 1-10 is pretty much cannot be remove as long as they are active in this game

So I can share what I know about it

dupes count

[elder crane]

Oh, also some "good"? news

[buoyant parrot]

including Retro

it is based on your Ships POWER

the more ship power you have the better

having that said

that includes a lot of Lv1 Ships

its advantageous if you have a dock of 2000

you could fill that up with a lot of common ship

and that will boost your Fleet Power by a large margin

Gearing your ship is also a vital point, the more gold gears you have equipped the better

[elder crane]

I just defeated a Namayuu team in mirror consistently, after some optimizations
I wasn't facing a fully optimized/maxed version, but at least it proves that optimizing fleets can make a difference
Will post details tomorrow

[zenith tundra]

is namaryuu mirror hard?

[elder crane]

0 losses in somewhere around 9 matches

Though a few were very close so some rng involved

[buoyant parrot]

probably that close thing has a large margin if you're not properly geared

[coral wren]

what is namayuu these abbrevs are hard to understand now

[elder crane]

The mirror can be difficult
I still need to find a top one to test against

[buoyant parrot]

or enemy side is also not geared

[zenith tundra]

nagato amagi hiryuu

[coral wren]

ok that's the standard now right?

[buoyant parrot]

I guess Zack's Namayuu would be your best choice though his is not Oathed

or is it Oathed now?

[zenith tundra]

i'm full oath on namaryuu

[elder crane]

I was up against gurren lagen

[zenith tundra]

only 115 on juneau

[buoyant parrot]

Oh I thought last time it wasn't

[elder crane]

I'm full maxed

[zenith tundra]

my hiryuu was max oath before isss

[elder crane]

So I should be good to test against
Fleet not fully "optimized" for def though, at least for what I think is optimal def

[buoyant parrot]

should you need more to do experiment on it I can also ride into the Namayuu thingy... Though will have to wait for 2 Days to max skill

[zenith tundra]

guess i'm too behind to run into blue

[elder crane]

It's certainly a close matchup, the mirror
Earlier I had a, what was it, 9/14?

I'm actually behind too
Missed 5 this season so far

1719 6/10

[elder crane]

You're only 25 behind me

[zenith tundra]

i lost 7

[buoyant parrot]

oh ait sorry

HIRYUU!!

[zenith tundra]

and not sandbagging

[buoyant parrot]

I though it was Hyuuga

😂

I CAN JOIN IN IF THAT'S THE CASE 😂

[vague token]

o.o

[buoyant parrot]

lol

hold on let me change now

What VG you running on right noe Blu?

and positions

[elder crane]

Bel Jun Ykkz

[buoyant parrot]

got it will do that now

[elder crane]

Bulge/pearl, Bulge/engine, Ext/Toolbox for aux

[buoyant parrot]

I'll gear mine to the very teeth

[elder crane]

Ykkz has different options though

[buoyant parrot]

just need position so I could exactly mirror you

[zenith tundra]

i prefer more speed then that

[coral wren]

Do you guys change equips for every PvP fight?

[shy hazel]

holy shit

me and switch has like

[vague token]

lol no

[elder crane]

I found ykkz too squishy otherwise
Might double engine Jun though

[shy hazel]

34 points

diff

[vague token]

that would be so much effort

[shy hazel]

fukkkkk

[coral wren]

Seems like a huge hassle

for max min

[vague token]

if they add pvp builds someday sure

[shy hazel]

sorry switch

[zenith tundra]

boiler tear/ boiler bulge/ boiler fe

[coral wren]

PvE builds and different from PvP builds too

1 torp whole vg gone?

[elder crane]

Yeah, I tried that but ykkz takes too muh dmg imo

[zenith tundra]

i use juneau tank for offense

i don't need any more bulges then 1

[shy hazel]

@coral wren

?fleetpower

[hidden wyvern]

Fleet Power Ranking Calculation

Fleet Power works as follows

1. It considers your entire dock
2. Certain equipment gives more points than others, especially with their rarity
3. Only the highest level girl and the highest LB girl of that particular copy is considered. If there exists another girl or girls of the same LB, the highest combat power girl will be counted in.
4. Duplicates that are of lower LB will be factored in, but follows point 3 except restricted to that particular LB. So 0LB, 1LB, and 2LB each can have the same girl and all three will be counted in. Any duplicates that have lower combat power, however, will not be factored in if they are at the same LB level.
5. If there exists a retrofit of a girl and a MLB of a girl, only the retrofit girl is factored into the fleet power.
6. The equation overall is like this:
   Combat Power w no equip * LB Modifier + Combat Power considering only equip * Equip Modifier.

Explanation courtesy of Enbayft#2527 aka Dunkek

[elder crane]

Hmm, engine on bel could be interesting

[shy hazel]

people always forget this bot command

[vague token]

people forget we have a bot xD

bot doesnt really do much for us anyways

maybe if we had a register for reset ping that'd be neat

[steep fog]

I run double boiler on ykkz

tear+ bulge on bel

[vague token]

i should try boiler on ykkz that might be fun

[elder crane]

I already rarely have healthy ykkz into endgame in the borderline matchups
So imo not much point in boiler on her

[buoyant parrot]

there

[zenith tundra]

problem is every match is a fox one so it doesn't change much

[steep fog]

my vg is not even 105

except ykk is 109

[vague token]

im kinda surprised bel/ykk/juneau hits 13700

lotta raw stats for no retro

[zenith tundra]

lots of oxys

[vague token]

oh

ok

[coral wren]

Lol my vg is at 12650 with boilers

[buoyant parrot]

oh wait Zack you running 2 GSC?

[zenith tundra]

gsc?

[buoyant parrot]

Gold Steam Cata

[zenith tundra]

no tank cata

[steep fog]

anyone experiment with badge tank on hiryuu?

[elder crane]

I'm running 2SG on Nag, SG/HFCR Amagi, Badge/tank Hiryuu
155 secs
A7M/SB2C/Ryuusei
I'll write up my reasoning/analysis tomorrow

[zenith tundra]

13401 is bis with beaver 13416 without

[buoyant parrot]

ohhhh its beaver

[vague token]

beaver on solo carrier is nice i find too

[buoyant parrot]

47+30 = 77 oh thats pretty much a good Idea

coz any Evasion thats 70+ is GOOD

[elder crane]

47 means not 200 Hiryuu

[livid fractal]

@shy hazel do you still have me in your lobby?

[elder crane]

49 at max affection

[livid fractal]

I still have one attack left

[buoyant parrot]

yeah Hiryu is at 197

ima run her to 200 today

[elder crane]

13386 main for my choices of aux btw
Which I think is also amongst best options

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure more dmg on hiryuu is better even more against ijn bbs

[buoyant parrot]

I really hate playing this Namaryuu it always gives me heart attack

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu is safest comp in the game

[buoyant parrot]

I don't know I find BB's to be very tanky

and keeps me SAFE!

😂

[lament lichen]

i just look at my hiryuu and see if final counter goes off

[livid fractal]

^

[zenith tundra]

then i might just keep running my hyuuga till i find something it struggles against

[livid fractal]

When playing against mirror

First one to take final counter loses

[zenith tundra]

i need to find blue fleet so i can test against it

[coral wren]

Is boiler or more beefy setup better vs nakaga and amakaga

[zenith tundra]

hp is usually better since u would need to much speed to dodge airstrikes

[coral wren]

Running 4 boilers atm.

Still seems to grt hit

By airstrikes

[zenith tundra]

maybe with 6 and beaver is doable

[coral wren]

Christ. I will just go hp

XD

[zenith tundra]

and u would still want ur juneau to die

[blazing scroll]

Just go air radar

Why dodge it when you can try to kill it

[steep fog]

cant fight the mirror

since my final counter not sl10 yet

[blazing scroll]

[zenith tundra]

6 boilers 1st try

too bad missing aurora

with 6 boilers is like using dd only lol

[blazing scroll]

@modern tree

👀

[modern tree]

No time to waste on lil ol me

[vague token]

lol

[elder crane]

9/10 vs suimire uesaka, Namayuu mirror
He runs juneau leading though, which in the matches was very questionable
Also not max affection on main fleet

I think it's just Hiryuu not max affection

13332

Will do a few more runs soonish
Also need to find someone using Ryuusei as defense, Barras on def I swear do almost nothing

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Dj5yA/8bca985458.png rank 11 at 5/10

[zenith tundra]

that's because hiryuu is not that strong

[lament lichen]

18 at 5/10 on avovra ..

[zenith tundra]

dead season

[split socket]

dead every season*

[hot creek]

daed gaem

[steep fog]

when u pretend to be meta

[vague token]

xD

[steep fog]

cant be bothered to lvl vg

[vague token]

it's not that bad

just toss em all in the dorm

[cerulean estuary]

@elder crane

may nagato is not 200 affinity as of now
the rest is 200 aff
( too lazy to grind coz of the scorching heat here in PH )

also im testing other equips / planes on hiryuu

[vague token]

maybe i should try an oxytorp on ykk since im using sheffield shield

plus sara's boosted escort damage might make a fun spike

[real notch]

i peek kiroshima

[vague token]

sup

[real notch]

kiroshima tell me when u doing ur games

[vague token]

ok

lemme check if i have a +1

gotta finish d2 real quick

training mogami and wichita

xD

[real notch]

ok ok

[elder crane]

Mfw when there's a bug with subs
But nobody notices cause no one uses subs

[vague token]

wait mini update

reee

[elder crane]

Also final score before moving on is 11/12 vs Suimire
No point testing further imo, time to find more challenging fleets (already decided a while ago, just reporting in now)
At least I can give him some feedback on what doesn't work

[vague token]

how many points you got?

im at 1761

so i can do 4 maybe for you

and still hold out overnight for a +1

@real notch

[real notch]

i am also at 1761

[vague token]

ok ill do 4

xD

[real notch]

yay

[vague token]

i cant get a +1 off this rank 46 guy

[vague token]

oh god this guy with triple clevebro class

[lament lichen]

ugh again

[vague token]

wait is that a full event thing

oh no

[lament lichen]

more point events

[buoyant parrot]

I'm disappointed... NOT A SIREN MAP.... No Plates

[real notch]

wow

[lament lichen]

inb4 kizuna drops plates

[real notch]

at least we get some gold chests

[vague token]

eww

[buoyant parrot]

I'm gonna spend my oil in the ISS event right now all of it

[cerulean estuary]

belchan event tomorrow bro

need oils for farming manjuu;'s on world maps

[vague token]

lol

[cerulean estuary]

[vague token]

what is this

top 10 fox/owari da

what are these comps

xD

[cerulean flint]

for pvp frontline of Juneau, Yukikaze, and Belfast, who goes in which position?

[vague token]

at least it goes fast

[real notch]

i use belfast, juneau, YKKZ in that order

[buoyant parrot]

@cerulean estuary you will get Belchan for sure just doing dailies

[hazy rain]

if you can get 90% winrate or something ridiculous with meta fleet

[buoyant parrot]

you don't get plates that often compare to none Siren events~

[hazy rain]

I'm certain you can still get acceptable winrates with Enty or stuff

[cerulean estuary]

theres more rewards i mean , for acquiring more points

so theres a little bit of farming

[vague token]

ok

i did 4

1801

get your +1

@real notch

collusion bois

[cerulean flint]

@real notch thanks, I had it setup that way as well just wanted to make sure that was correct

[real notch]

thank you senpai

[buoyant parrot]

fine... I'll just get the last Mutsu then I'm going to save Oil for Belchan event

[real notch]

why are there loli versions coming out for every ship now

is this a lolicon game

[vague token]

the anti reddit strat

xD

[cerulean estuary]

devs havent release the patch notes for tommorrow

[zenith tundra]

was it ever not a lolicon game?

[vague token]

na im here for the ara ara i mean what?

[buoyant parrot]

The Number of Loli DD is so DAMN HIGH in this game 👆🏻

[zenith tundra]

patch is on the 26th not 25th

[hot creek]

this is definitely a lolicon game. just look at how many usernames have the word loli in them

[charred sable]

@real notch is this a lolicon game
Is that a serious question?

[cerulean estuary]

oh i see , i thought its 2morrow

[real notch]

[zenith tundra]

i can't wait for patch notes for core data changes

[charred sable]

I gave up on the idea of having my defence ships spell out a message that made sense with the ships, so I'm just gonna run Belchan x Grafchan

[mental sierra]

Guys, what auxes for Hyuuga Kai?

[zenith tundra]

2 sg for now

[mental sierra]

Cool

[real notch]

standard SG?

[vague token]

im kinda liking beaver/tank sara

works well for her natural bulk

[modern tree]

I ran sara wasd into namagi with baga, you win if her second strike hits the backline clean, but killing the vg is too random

[lime rivet]

...huh

Ran into a namasara

Points for uniqueness, I guess

[odd schooner]

Heh

So it's really like nep event

Gear skin farming

[vague token]

im pretty sure im the only one running namasara lol

unless someone else is stealing my ideas

i still think she's better than owari da for a solo carrier

not like you dodge anything atm

plus she's a better team player given that she helps buff escort damage, eg ykk torps/barrage

if only her guns had any aim

xD

[coral wren]

I saw some full USN backline with Saratoga and enty

was hella weak. didnt even survive 30 secs

[vague token]

lol

[coral wren]

Am I elitist for thinking ppl who uses lower tier ships when they can have access to better ships are shitty players?

yikes

[worthy osprey]

Waifu>meta

[coral wren]

I just see ppl liking ships like Javelin and Takao

it just dosnt make sense to me

[real notch]

uh, pvp is just 1 section of the game so if people don't care about PVP u can't really call them names

[coral wren]

I mean I dont call them names

I just feel they are wasting EXP and gold on gears on ships that are subpar

they are very wasteful ppl

[steep fog]

lmao

its waifu lane

[ionic magnet]

do you know how other people think of meta slaves?

[steep fog]

u can clear w11 with meme botes

so do w/e

not to say waifu like atago has top tier skins

♿

[coral wren]

I mean sure meme botes can clear higher content. but what if we suddenyl get harder contents and ur meme botes suddenyl dosnt work anymore

[real notch]

ah yea

if the game was like fortnite or league or CSGO

[coral wren]

u just wasted few thousand chips and exp and time working up some bulins so u can feel FAR away from the meta slaves

[real notch]

and ur using really bad rated guns/weapons

it'd be kinda dumb af

but this game is not like that

[steep fog]

but its not a competitve game... why should they/ u care?

[hazy rain]

uhmmm

[steep fog]

[coral wren]

idk wouldnt its be logic for ppl to not waste time and play effective?

[hazy rain]

unique heroes have unique playstyles

[ionic magnet]

"waste" is subjective tho. just do your thing and let them do theirs

[hazy rain]

how can you even compare?

[coral wren]

yeah I know

[hazy rain]

those games at least have actual gameplay differences in going off-meta

[steep fog]

wouldnt it be logic to raise ships that u like?

[coral wren]

it would... I never liked phoenix but after I saw her potential as solo VG. I started to like her more

I guess yeah. good thing there are no teamplay in azur lane. would hate to have a royal ark with 3 loli fleet as my teammate or guild mate

[hazy rain]

also you say "go full competitive with meta characters/guns in multiplayer games"

as if you were a proplayer

and your country depended on it

like, its a freaking game

[coral wren]

hmm e sport do exist tho

[hazy rain]

well yeah

and proplayers treat it as a job

[vague token]

i mean, there's also character loyalty

[hazy rain]

but if you are not top100

nobody gives a damn

[vague token]

no one wants to see a billion mirror matches

[hazy rain]

even you are top 1000 or something

in the end you are just another dude playing

[steep fog]

remember this game is designed as waifu collector as the main attraction...

[coral wren]

yeah

[vague token]

healthy competitive games have multiple options anyways

[hazy rain]

may as well be silver or whatever and goofing with weird heroes or guns

[coral wren]

thats why i asked if its elitsit of me xD

[steep fog]

so raise your waifu so u dont get burned out

ez

[vague token]

but we arent at that wall yet

maybe once hiryuu kai rolls around

then we'll have to accept our meta lords

[coral wren]

I wouldnt go tryhard on a mobile game ever

[vague token]

but at this point there's still some lee way

[steep fog]

and im sure 80% of the playerbase at least dont pvp seriously

[coral wren]

bbut in the end I cant help to feel I am wasting time if I am lvling a kisaragi to 110 for sample

[steep fog]

so why should they care

[ionic magnet]

its fine im also like that.. until i met my waifu kirishima

[vague token]

i mean, you dont know if they'll buff a ship with a good retro

yo kirishima is great

[ionic magnet]

oh shes perfect

[coral wren]

I gues syeah

[steep fog]

and one day prinz may get sandy treatment and become t0

♿

[coral wren]

ah ok

I am not then :3

[vague token]

it's only elitist if you bash/push it on people

[hazy rain]

Prinz is far from tradh tier tho

[coral wren]

I dont really care about other ppl

was just confusing me thats all

[hazy rain]

like, she isn't Long Island or idk

[coral wren]

I wouldnt mind few more retrofit for Mutsuki

oh wait

[steep fog]

there are people who runs mutsukis in w11

[ionic magnet]

long island hater

[steep fog]

its ok

[vague token]

the better thing to do is to ask if they thought about the comp, like me, the namasara

[lament lichen]

Waifu beater

[coral wren]

I mean I wish she was stronger. is my favorite loli xD

[magic drum]

pve you can literally use anything

[lament lichen]

[coral wren]

she is hella adoreble

I know u can use anything <.< this game isnt exactly hard. its just u can always do better <.< and that traps me in the mind set of always use best ship

[vague token]

maybe once the guild pvp thing shows up

we'll care

[lament lichen]

Or just mindlessly auto everything

[vague token]

xD

[hazy rain]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/460645783021289472/569699194089242650/unknown.png

[coral wren]

xD

I love those faces

imagine a 26 yo guy finding those stuff cute

its embarasing irl

[hazy rain]

thats what the internet is for

[coral wren]

I try to hide all the anime stuffs irl its just too weird for normal ppl

[steep fog]

[coral wren]

yeah exactly. Internet is for this

[lament lichen]

So in the closet???

[magic drum]

a lot of normies like anime these days tbh

[hazy rain]

theres normie anime

[magic drum]

soon they will have waifus just like us

[coral wren]

like family guy and simpsons. the big bang theory and such game of thrones and so on

[magic drum]

nah action shows

[hazy rain]

nah dbz and naruto are basically normie stuff nowadays

[magic drum]

my co worker brought up black clover a week ago

that was pretty surprising

[lament lichen]

One punch man is another

[coral wren]

one punch man is funny tho. its like a satire anime

[hazy rain]

same

I'm not a weeb

[coral wren]

feeling we going off topic

[hazy rain]

[coral wren]

inb4 Syanda :

[gaunt chasm]

no
my amagi just got 100-0ed by nagato barrage.. that is all

[coral wren]

hows that possible

[gaunt chasm]

shitty rng letting all shots hit?

[coral wren]

are u 10 lvls below?

xD

[vague token]

that shouldn't happen o.O

[gaunt chasm]

exactly.. i dont have it recorded tho

[hazy rain]

I had a couple times when my fleet deletes hood before she can strike xd

sniper sniped

[lament lichen]

Its possible if they used double ryuusei and they both target her

Very rare though

[hazy rain]

I use namagi tho

[hazy rain]

but torp vanguard

[coral wren]

time to try this beast

heard u ppl say Namahyuuga was good

[hazy rain]

that gun

[coral wren]

its for AA protection

[hazy rain]

that gear hurts me tbh

[lament lichen]

That main gun

[hazy rain]

gold catapult?

[coral wren]

look at that aviation tho

I could use 2 cata

and get even more

258+225

[hazy rain]

ok, 4782 power

[lament lichen]

Also we dont have the good seaplanes

[coral wren]

holy so much Aviation for a BB

[steep fog]

lmao

[gaunt chasm]

[coral wren]

say bb to planes :

[steep fog]

[hazy rain]

4908 power

[real notch]

lmao

so this is how u get 15k fleet power

[coral wren]

imagine 200 aff and max lvl boooiii Namahyuu I am coming

[lament lichen]

Might as well bring ise retro for more

[coral wren]

thats the plan

2 BB with planes. tho I wont have 2 gold 410 to shoot down planes

gonna have problem with planes

[lament lichen]

Scare them with numbers

15k/14k meta

[coral wren]

[real notch]

not gonna lie

i would be a bit scared

[coral wren]

damn cant reach 15k. stuck at 14734

need a Ise

to replace washington

[real notch]

lool

[coral wren]

oh I only have 1 oxy xd so yikes

saving for shellys

ok should swap back before ppl get free merits

[real notch]

[mental sierra]

sigh

[left onyx]

...tirpitz with wash? really?

[mental sierra]

fuck this game sometimes

[magic drum]

not a crane, you won

[mental sierra]

I'd rather have the crane because that turns into general aux purple plates

this is totally useless

[left onyx]

F

[mental sierra]

I keep at least 2 of everything

even the useless shit

[wicked rivet]

I keep gold shit unless it's a crane

And some useless purple stuff

Still have 100 free slots

[elder crane]

Omfg they didn't fing learn from the Essex-class/Independence event fiasco
Two sets of limited time construction, again

[ionic magnet]

which ones?

[coral wren]

so we getting limited + special?

is this their way of saying. buy gems or git fked

[elder crane]

2% for two KizAI ships in limited
2.5% per for the 3 -chan ship in special
3 weeks at least, but still
For CNJP, we likely have same

[coral wren]

holy shit

and Ionly have 100 cubes

[ionic magnet]

heh f2p peeps gonna have to say goodbye to collecting all ships

[elder crane]

At least CNJP has same
Last time this happened those servers rioted and made devs give freebies to soothe players

[coral wren]

can I do refund on wargaming. I spent like 100 euro on the naval boxes :l to get all 4 CVs. damn I could use that money for some gems right now

[elder crane]

Collan ships not in colle% likely

[coral wren]

they are not

sme as nep

[ionic magnet]

oh right

[coral wren]

but still

[ionic magnet]

but well they still do count if you want all ships

[coral wren]

in a true collectors eyes.

they are still must have

[elder crane]

Well I'm skipping kizai, at least partially, if unlucky on cons

[ionic magnet]

btw the other 2 kizunas are free then?

[elder crane]

Elite for login, other is a reward, yep

[ionic magnet]

is the BB one free?

👀

[elder crane]

"super gamer" and "anniversary" are in construction

[ionic magnet]

oh god

time to riot

[elder crane]

So the BB/CV ones are in cons
CA/DD ones are "free"

[shy hazel]

guess what

i wont be building kizuna

[ionic magnet]

thats fine but help us riot

tho maybe we get smth different cos jp and cn are old servers

[shy hazel]

you know my riots are effective

to the point they warn me for it

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

i remember someone said he has 6 warnings already

so you have 5 more to burn

👀

[shy hazel]

who told u i only have 6

[ionic magnet]

nani

[shy hazel]

y u rely on me anyways u the man here

[ionic magnet]

how many you have then

[shy hazel]

i got like

5 warnings just from improper #461381136661217283

[ionic magnet]

lmao

and here i am getting scared with 1 warning

[coral wren]

how can u get improper memes

how can one meme wrong

[buoyant parrot]

already got a lot of warning for spamming
🇳 🇦 🇬 🅰 🇱 🇪 🇼 🇩

[shy hazel]

i just posted a pig of the

[coral wren]

I have been warned once

[shy hazel]

sexiest man alive on earth

in memes

[coral wren]

for inciting rage

[shy hazel]

and got warned for it

do you want me to dm it to you

[coral wren]

yes

[shy hazel]

nvm im in my new laptop

[buoyant parrot]

ricardo

[shy hazel]

lazy to open my mac

[coral wren]

I wanted to post Tarrant chans memes

[buoyant parrot]

NOOOOOO

X____x

[coral wren]

but i guess its too offensive for this server

[shy hazel]

i dont understand the memes page criteria for safe or not safe really

i see alot of 100% edgier memes there

[coral wren]

I assume it has to be

Azur lane related?

[shy hazel]

everyone would be banned there if everything needed to be al related

lol

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/461381136661217283/570566055173554205/image0-1-1.jpg

nice meme

[coral wren]

#461381136661217283

[shy hazel]

its a trophy

[coral wren]

nuu its in memes channel

cant be trophy cus shes not ingame

:c

dont make me call mods to dan u

!

xD

u got scare? xd

[shy hazel]

overflowing oil now

for tom's events

if only i can overflow gold

[coral wren]

is it tomrrow?

[shy hazel]

heh

[coral wren]

isnt it 26th

[shy hazel]

oh

yea tomorrow's reset

[buoyant parrot]

I'll just have to whale for oil

hopefully there's also Oil pack

[coral wren]

gotta reach 55k

fk

need that t2 bps

[buoyant parrot]

Im goaling for 60k

Mutsu then I'll stop

[coral wren]

are u that in need ofr medals?

[buoyant parrot]

saving Bullins

[coral wren]

u wot

I buy bulins to retire

from merit shop

[buoyant parrot]

I'm Fleet Power Ranker... Every Bullins is important for MLB Units.

[coral wren]

I see

yikes

[buoyant parrot]

my life is hard

I need myself some fox Nanoja~

[coral wren]

Where is

Loli Akagi

[sharp obsidian]

Loli Akagi...?

[red nexus]

Evidence pls

For research

[sharp obsidian]

Would also appreciate a Loli Nagato

New PvP Meta - Loli Fleets 😮

[coral wren]

maybe they are running out of contents

so they making loli version of every single ship

= a whole new set of contents

and then after that. Alter versions of the ships

and then Alter Loli version

Yostar will never run out of contents

[sharp obsidian]

Is smart actually

If you look at KC, they are running out of IJN Ships already

so they are doing Retrofit V2

Yostar is going for Loli forms so that doubles your roster instantly 😮

[coral wren]

yep

[red nexus]

Anyone got sum evidence on smol akagi?

[empty sinew]

jp patchnotes (translated by Chrome-san)

[coral wren]

but Ihavent seen any notes about Akagi chan

in news

maybe its only for JP

[red nexus]

No pics?

[coral wren]

didnt even see in CN

[empty sinew]

the link to jp's upcoming patch notes https://www.azurlane.jp/news-item.html?i=1084

not sure about the validity of the pics tho:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550678262452584448/570555982191788042/2qteeb7grqt11.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550678262452584448/570556029591486474/12jxx.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/550678262452584448/570556129097154560/xWrQgic.png

[trim horizon]

[empty sinew]

if pics are ps'd, don't blame me

[sharp obsidian]

Ah those are not real

It is Azuranaii

Literally not Azur Lane

[empty sinew]

gotcha, will delete em

[sharp obsidian]

Dont

[empty sinew]

[sharp obsidian]

They are nice photos

New Meta - PvP Loli Carriers

We might get a QE-style Command Skill that only affects Child-Variants of the Characters

[empty sinew]

guess the only valid thing is the patch notes on jp

we'll see if EN announces lolikagi later or not anyways

still hope

[trim horizon]

still hope they won't make anymore loli form
for a while

[empty sinew]

i just wish they don't overlap events

[sharp obsidian]

hahahaha, you are hoping for too much

They will overlap - we are hamsters on a wheel

[empty sinew]

welp if they're ain't huge events, then it's aight

[shy hazel]

gimme twitter link

there is indeed akagi-chan

lol

its in the website

[trim horizon]

stop with Akagi-chan

also is there an actual official pic of her ?

[shy hazel]

no pic yet

[grave gale]

she'll probably be tweeted later today

either by EN or JP. JP has been tweeting stuff first though

[lime rivet]

Midnight JP in 1.5 hours, we'll see

[coral wren]

maybe its Japanese April Fools

[shy hazel]

[lament lichen]

Azuma apparently can use bb guns

[coral wren]

good job

[livid fractal]

This or not?

[lament lichen]

Thats fake

[shy hazel]

that one is long time ago fake ye

[livid fractal]

[lament lichen]

Azurenai

[noble gyro]

fake?

[empty sinew]

it's the official jp al website, take it as you please

[coral wren]

Apori foors! haha banzai

[noble gyro]

they think akagi-chan is fake xD

[shy hazel]

akagi chan is real

based on the jp site

but that pic above is fake

from long time ago

lol

[lament lichen]

Didnt even see the azuranai lane lul

[shy hazel]

they didnt post it in twitter

but they gave the link to the newspage

to their site

[buoyant parrot]

im waiting for tweet

[shy hazel]

just wait for the tweet

[buoyant parrot]

its on their websit

but no tweet

[shy hazel]

though well also prolly get it by the time they did

[buoyant parrot]

welp that goes for my plan in buying flight ticket to Canada

[shy hazel]

canada>al pls

[coral wren]

go to japan man

[shy hazel]

i rushed my roudns just now

too busy

lucky person who got it

[buoyant parrot]

I'm going to CA to live man not Vacation >__<

[shy hazel]

me on their list

[buoyant parrot]

I hope that person moves so he/she can trigger a chain reaction

[odd schooner]

@shy hazel

I already pushed so ye gotta sleep too

We're on the +1 era now

Actually had a complete +0 before this reset

[shell heron]

Last reset was a complete +0 for me as well. Had 3 people move, none of which was enough for +1

[white granite]

is nakaga or amagi+nagato+hiryuu better for en rn?

[elder crane]

Define, "better"

As in the higher winrate offense team, namayuu

As in the most stally/wally def team, that too

[white granite]

which would survive for longer and keep a good amount of damage

[elder crane]

As in the fastest climber, Nakaga

Also, here's a thing I made
Some numerical analysis of the estimated trade-off of running Badge over SG radar or Gold Cata, in terms of relative fractional dealt damage and eHP, for different aux setups on the ships in Namayuu, in the mirror matchup

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xVEtFH-CFDc0pcGb4VGNWaJ0z4RNJz1OP0A3CwQ0p78/edit?usp=sharing

It's unfinished and hacked together, but should be good enough for estimation

[shell heron]

Looking at that analysis, it looks to be more optimal to have SG SG on Amagi over badge SG. But this is looking at namayuu.

I'm currently using Amakaga and Namagi as 2 seperate fleets because of not having hyuuga or hiryuu ready.

Is it still more beneficial to have nagato use hsfcr/sg and amagi sg sg. Or amagi badge sg?

Apologies for the mobile formatting being inconsistent

And a somewhat easier question. 410 or 381 on Nagato? Having faster shots doesn't seem to help if your barrage proc chance is 40%

[elder crane]

I went for HCFR/SG on Amagi
HFCR on Nagato imo is a waste because

1. Nagato proc chance low
2. Nagato with 381 already shoots fast enough that she won't get sniped by opposing Nagato barrage before she launches her own, since Nagato's barrage takes almost 3 s to travel across the map
3. Nagato as flag tends to take a lot of damage

Amagi's barrage travels a lot faster, and so it matters more on her in terms of Amagi vs Amagi
though my current strat is to set Amagi on Hiryuu and try to focus down opposing Hiryuu before my own goes down, which HFCR also helps with. Amagi being in one corner also takes less damage
Hence also why I put Badge on Hiryuu, since she is then tanking opposing Amagi

[shell heron]

I see, so on your Nagato are you running doube SGs?

[elder crane]

Yes
I think it might also be worth considering SG/Badge on her
Especially if you're not matching Amagi on Hiryuu but instead are running mirror positioning as well

In that case Hiryuu is taking less focus, and so can more safely run extra damage

[shell heron]

[elder crane]

idk if I'll work more on it anytime soon
cause I'd like to do other stuff too
Really I just made it to validate some of my even rougher approximations, it's good enough for my own use, if pretty poorly documented

[elder crane]

Do we know if Hit and/or Luck scale with affection?

[modern tree]

luck is hard set, I am pretty sure acc scales tho

[wicked rivet]

hit, luck, and speed dont scale with levels afaik

[wind orbit]

great lost 5 tries again because of that bug

was at 6/10 2min before the reset, did my last match -> 0/10
restarted the game, 5/10 after the reset

[real notch]

i've been on SG badge for a while now

[elder crane]

Aaaaaa does hit scale or not

Makes a somewhat significant diff on how good +Hit equip is

[real notch]

looking at this analysis, it might be useful to also note absolute eHP given an assumed enemy hit

[elder crane]

Not sure how useful that is, since it needs to be scaled relative to enemy damage
Maybe I'll add once I straighten up the already present calcs

Plus, Fires and Plane Suicide bypass Eva

Given that Evasion scales with affection, it would make sense for Hit to do so too
Hit also scales with level as well, like the other stats we know scale with aff
Luck and Speed are known to not scale with level, and not with affection

[real notch]

is this enemy hiryuu and enemies?

[elder crane]

Yep

[real notch]

wait

uhh

sorry i'm trying to understand this doc since i am big baka

[elder crane]

Nah it's super unclear cause I never intended for public use

It's basically looking at what happens when you try to slot in Badge on a ship

For now

[real notch]

why is relative dmg v smoke higher for SG badge than SG SG

for amagi

and even if it were 1.00, how does that make sense

[elder crane]

Cause the 2 is supposed to be a 1

formatting~!

it's a WIP for a reason

[real notch]

formatting

oh are you leaving decimals out

i'm looking at the formula and i don't get it LOL

[elder crane]

Cause I need the actual value to calculate the relative advantage
But then I want to set it to 1 cause it's relative advantage

I'll move stuff over to a hidden column eventually and fix it

[real notch]

ok

ya just lmk when the doc is done i guess

i am big confused

[elder crane]

I meant it when I said it was hacked together
It's pretty theory-heavy anyways and I don't feel like explaining everything
Or explaining much at all

[real notch]

i peep @buoyant parrot

wow i'm meeting so many people

[elder crane]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1xVEtFH-CFDc0pcGb4VGNWaJ0z4RNJz1OP0A3CwQ0p78/edit?usp=sharing
This is as far as I'm going to go with this, I think.
Feel free to take it and do whatever, I'll answer questions but probably not work on it any further

[real notch]

[elder crane]

The tankiness is only vs non suicide, non-fire damage
So it's worse than what's given

But it's hard to quantify how much better/worse, so add your own subjective opinion

And yeah, HFCR/SG is 5% dmg boost over double SG, which is... meh
And Nagato barrage travels so slowly that 381 Nagato launches own barrage before HFCR381 Nagato's barrage hits

Yep, amagi's travels in sub 2 s so it can hit first

Though my choice is amagi on Hiryuu, then Badge on Hiryuu

Hiryuu is the only one than gains significantly more %eHP than loses %dmg with the badge

[real notch]

IIRC touchdown dmg is constant

could be wrong

[elder crane]

If your Hiryuu procs 2nd there's a good chance you win, is my thought

Plus you take 20% less on offense so you still do more than the def in mirror

Loss of just under 15% dmg

If Hiryuu is higher enough %dmg of team though it may still not be worth

but it feels like for now she's only about on par w Amagi/Nagato in mirror

I've advocated for Badge on Hiryuu for a long time,
tbh half the reason I made this was to validate my estimates on that

If you're not tanking w Hiryuu then you want dmg on her for sure
But, again, my current strat for the mirror is to race my amagi damage on Hiryuu for his amagi damage on Hiryuu

So HFCR amagi and Badge Hiryuu for the strat I use

[vague token]

who was it that used 6 boiler, or was that just for a test

[elder crane]

I only use 1 for now
feels like vg loses too much HP/torpred otherwise, and it's fast enough on off to dodge BB shots

Plus speed doesn't help avoid barrages

On def, more speed may be better to optimize for the Akaga matchups

since, was it 3 that allows dodging bombs?

[modern tree]

if you are running a DD then speed is moredately redundant because boiler wont rise the average very much if one of your boats is already at 58

boilers are mostly for 3x CLs

and Eldridge/CAs

[real notch]

ya i can confirm 3x boiler will dodge CV bombs

depends on where the boilers are

my tank VG dies quickly so i usually end up with just juneau and YKKZ

[elder crane]

First you need Bel to sink
Or you double boiler her too

[real notch]

and i run 2x boiler on juneau and 1x on YKKZ

and that duo will dodge CVs almost too well

on offense though, my thought is it'll be just good enough on defense

[elder crane]

2 boiler jun w 1 boiler ykkz does it
1 boiler solo ykkz does it too

Cause troublesome matchups on off, dodging CV bombs doesn't help that much
Not worth HP loss imo

She's a good PvE tank so there's that

[real notch]

so far the weakness to boilers just seems to be torps

boilers (if enough) can dodge CV bombs

[elder crane]

Over 6 matches w/o healer support, she does just a good job as phoenix in farm fleet

With akashi, she's tankier than phoenix

[real notch]

dodge backline twin 127mms, triple 155mm

dodge bb shelling

[elder crane]

Barrages also don't care much

[real notch]

yea there are barrages too

[modern tree]

you guys always make me feel like a crazy person, here I was pushing boilers on everyone like a month or two ago, and now that I have found a sweet spot that doesnt involve running 4 or something on my VG, you guys are running fucking double on Juneau

[elder crane]

But also ram main fleet more

[vague token]

lol

[modern tree]

it was the same with wasd amagi

[real notch]

but it's worth it atm i believe

[modern tree]

I want to get off this ride

[real notch]

because CVs still somewhat dominate meta

at least for another season i predict

and the boilers really do make a diff

[elder crane]

For def, for sure
For offense, w/e you crush non-namagi anyways

[real notch]

it's worth the 200 less HP

yea daxam i am big advocate of boilers

[elder crane]

Well, more, cause box regen

[real notch]

i was converted

[elder crane]

more like about 300-400 HP, for ykkz

[real notch]

eeh, that's like marginal

toolkit heal is like 60 on YKKZ and a little more on juneau

[modern tree]

also

[elder crane]

Wait miscalc, then it's more

[modern tree]

FYI just so you can all try it in a couple of weeks

[elder crane]

you can get 4 ticks on heal for ykkz easily, often more

[modern tree]

I stopped using torp bulges cuz people stopped using Jintsuu and oxy torps

[real notch]

wait, it's a constant lol

[elder crane]

I still prefer that consistency, since my goal is to hit 90%+ vs everything

[real notch]

toolkit heal i mean

because boiler YKKZ is tookit + boiler

[elder crane]

nah it's not 60 per tick

[real notch]

i thought you meant 2x toolkit stacking

[elder crane]

toolkit doesn't stack....

[real notch]

exactly that's why it's a constant

and i don't mean 60 per tick i mean 60 total

[elder crane]

I prefer to drop 1 kit for ext instead

have more trouble with fires, from Nagato barrage

or when your team turns around right back into shelling

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

yea that seems reasonable

i never really understood why people think the fire is a big threat

nagato barrage is 40% proc

[vague token]

ill show them fire

[elder crane]

It's a toss-up, and until someone does some detailed analysis on it I'd say it's more personal preference than anything else

[vague token]

sara kai

;)

[real notch]

and i'd say 50% of the time, the VG doesn't get hit by the centre area of the barrage

[elder crane]

Ah, but I'm searching for 80-90%
which means optimizing for worse-case rather than better-case scenarios

ykkz otherwise reliably makes it to end
Main reason why I have her sink early/take a lot of dmg early, at least from what I see, is fires

[real notch]

well, a way to objectively test is to run like 20-30 tests for toolkit boiler, boiler FE each

and track the death timer for YKKZ

[modern tree]

you can take 1 damage from a shell, and then take like 3k damage from fire set by it

[elder crane]

Barrage does like 1/4-1/3 of ykkz hp in fires if it sets too

[real notch]

the tradeoff is 234 HP

[elder crane]

or if boiler/ext, also the lost regen

[real notch]

just consider these things, they are stuff i considered when pondering about this topic

1. DDs receive 25% dmg reduction
2. defending fleet takes 20% dmg penalty
3. YKKZ HP (after toolkit/boiler) is subject to PVP HP multiplier of 2.22 (HP stacks multiplicative)
4. nagato barrage proc-rate is 40%, fire dmg proc-rate is 50%

[elder crane]

Barrage can/does hit multiple times, so it's almost guaranteed fire if ykkz isn't tucked away

[real notch]

wait

is toolkit passive heal stacked on PVP effective HP, or HP

[elder crane]

It's not post-multiplier HP?

Wait nvm it is

[real notch]

i would think PVP effective HP

[elder crane]

you said 60 HP per tick

[real notch]

because in toolkit desc it says "max HP"

[elder crane]

that's post multiplier defs

[real notch]

nono, as i said earlier i said 60 was for 2 ticks

my YKKZ has 2.7k HP

1% of that is 27

[elder crane]

let me check

[real notch]

2 ticks is 54

[elder crane]

ugh, to find that tiny green number

in the sea of damage and misses

[real notch]

yea if so that's actually quite significant

we are talking 27 hp per tick or 54 per tick

[elder crane]

64 HP healed

idk which ship, but no ship has that much base in my VG

[real notch]

sick, so it's calculated PVP-effective HP

[elder crane]

so it's defs post-multiplier

[real notch]

all the more reason to run toolkit i guess

so yea, with that knowledge

fire dmg gets heavily nerfed via BB backline dmg penalty, DD dmg reduction,

i think i roughly calculated fire dmg per tick at like 288?

[elder crane]

Dropping kit entirely is at least 5% loss in HP from the heals, on top of the HP equip gives

[real notch]

(someone please confirm)

so u feed 288 dmg into those dmg penalties

consider the possibility of fire actually proccing

and maybe toolkit is key for YKKZ

[vague token]

wait, burns are definitely higher than that though right?

like when i see burn ticks from bbs it's like 600 or w/e

ive never seen such a low burn tick like 288 lol

one sec imma go eat some battleship guns

[elder crane]

about 240 per tick for barrage

[vague token]

oh barrage has a different ratio

ok

[elder crane]

.... my calcs are off somewhere

[real notch]

wtf

727?

are u sure lol

[elder crane]

I see ~320 from my calcs

[vague token]

that sounds like a gun shot

not barrage

[elder crane]

Sure that's not direct gunfire?

oh damn forgot main gun eff

but it still doesn't seem like it should be that high

[real notch]

maybe it's stacking fire d mg?

[elder crane]

154*1.1*(511*1.1+100)*.75*.8*.8/100*.6 for 410s, estimated, before inclding main gun eff

for 323

436

maybe some of the dred terms don't apply to fires?

[vague token]

wait where are .75, .8, and .8 coming from

are those the pvp rules

[elder crane]

726

[vague token]

damage reduction and stuff doesnt apply to fire

[elder crane]

726 is main gun damage for 410 nagato, approx

[vague token]

and dots

im pretty sure

fire damage doesnt calculate off of the damage you would have done with a shell though

like damage reduction skills

dont apply to fire

so the pvp adjustments shouldnt apply

[real notch]

really? that sounds really counter intuitive

[vague token]

na, it's consistent with how fire works

fire is not effected by ANY dr or dboost

[elder crane]

Yeah, it ignored dred according to wiki

[vague token]

like otherwise focused assault sodak

would be a nuclear meltdown

on any ship

[real notch]

but it is a nuclear meltdown

[vague token]

well

[elder crane]

lol that means fire gun ticks do more dmg than main gun shot for DDs

[vague token]

two times a nuclear meltdown then

[elder crane]

so a single fire is like getting hit by 2/3 of a salvo, undodgable

[vague token]

THE ONLY thing that adjusts fire is amagi skill

and extinguisher

[real notch]

the fuck lol

twin 410mm gold time?

[vague token]

na

base damage is low

[real notch]

you know each of those small shells is a fire chance

[vague token]

no

they are 20 base damage

dont do that