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coral wren
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nah i just like the boat's artwork

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wanted to use her

buoyant parrot
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that's that for now damn there's a lot of ship analysis I'll finish the rest later

coral wren
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is york used in pvp? i haven't seen her at all

buoyant parrot
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no she's not

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she's for PvE

real notch
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yorktown? yeah a PVE ship

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@buoyant parrot that was my explanation, idk why the name changed

buoyant parrot
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ahh okay

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ima change it to yours then, name was't change "it was missing"

real notch
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np i just changed it

buoyant parrot
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for those who has insights for the other ship girls please do send your DM's to me. I'll add it for you instead so it wont crap the format of the Ship Analysis

blazing scroll
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I can't find a challenging defense for my Namahyuu

coral wren
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is aurora's effect that impactful?

buoyant parrot
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omg 12 ships to go lol I'll do the rest later lol

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@blazing scroll have you ever seen my defense?

blazing scroll
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Show me sandyMeme

buoyant parrot
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my Namabaka

blazing scroll
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Owh yea, I did

buoyant parrot
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how did it go

blazing scroll
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Sadly we're not on the same server

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I saw it in here

buoyant parrot
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god damn it

blazing scroll
buoyant parrot
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always forgets

shy hazel
buoyant parrot
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you're in SANDY

blazing scroll
shy hazel
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time to ask staff for server migration

buoyant parrot
real notch
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come to avrora sandyMEME

coral wren
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how many people are on sandy here?

blazing scroll
grave gale
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Still using Amagi, Nagato and Akagi and it's still damn good. Compared to Hiryuu, you're sacrificing the stall at the end for early damage with the single early strike. But it's often enough to finish off vanguards after torps and after Amagi has already blown a hole in them with her early hit. Even by herself Akagi is still strong and rivals Amagi in MVP. It's almost always Akagi and Amagi in the 20k range with Nagato with 10k unless Nagato got multiple sakura procs.

random vault
grave gale
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I'm on Sandy

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People underestimate how strong a single fox is with Nagato. They're still a force to be reckoned with. I'd argue the set up is nearly as good as Hiryuu until she gets her retrofit and allows faster wins.

shy hazel
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namahyuu is well safer but far slower

blazing scroll
buoyant parrot
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damn this Season is hard as AF... but I'm sure after this season those who tried going for the top end season will give up on the next one ๐Ÿ˜‚

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they thought they can be Gensuis ๐Ÿ˜

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you gotta sanbag hardoor...

coral wren
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how do I grind jesus aff to 200

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1-1 is gonna cost 11 per ambush yikes

coral wren
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I should just do that

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xD

odd schooner
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Wait for kizuna event

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If she has her own map

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Hope gear skin drops too

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BB ai shells for pvp

shy hazel
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smells like a reskinned

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neptunia event

zenith tundra
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wait are u actually expecting anything good?

leaden sequoia
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Nep equip skins are one of the good things in Nep event

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Kizuna having a close feel to Neps can probably have that too

zenith tundra
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idk what people find interesting about gear skins warShrug

leaden sequoia
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it's just hilarious to see them shoot dogoos and (+) buttons LeanderXD

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and some people get bored seeing usual shells over and over and over again

shy hazel
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im bored of pvp

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i should start working on that sandbag guide

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so i can pass the legacy of incompetent sandbagging to some other people

buoyant parrot
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Kitakaze = umu~

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Yukikaze = Nanoda

versed atlas
hybrid tendon
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sandbagging in pvp LUL

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who would do that

versed atlas
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literally everyone

hybrid tendon
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NANI mutsukiStare

ripe veldt
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sandbagging

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just show off your rare boats and kais

shy hazel
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why are you telling me to stop sandbagging

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is this the conspiracy to make me stop so you can have less sandbag opponents

hybrid tendon
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its the truth i swear

odd schooner
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Can't really show off when in avrora cause the majority has it too nogatoPing

shy hazel
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Can't show off my Avrora when she becomes public ho soon

leaden sequoia
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show off your JP account with 6 maxed PR instead

shy hazel
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i have a jp account but well

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i find it funny when ppl from jp flex their ships in en channel

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like anyone cares

leaden sequoia
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newbies might

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if they don't know what EN has and what does not have

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perfect trolling opportunity

shy hazel
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personally i think these people who want fdg in en server is like

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naive

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lol

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when you realize you need to grind some german ships and do the 3.6m

finite valve
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i am just glad i farmed 2 copies of each BC at chess board

versed atlas
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I am quite conflicted right now. I'm spending a lot of oil on leveling Nagato... right before the PR ships.

shy hazel
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you should realize

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pr ships are only useful 1 month at max

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3 months at normal

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levels of research farming

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assuming u can spend 20k gold per day on getting ship bps

versed atlas
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Sorry, I don't understand what you're saying there.

shy hazel
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pt ships have 2 tiers of farming

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the ship construction itself then

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the strengthening part

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construction i can probably rush in the 170 hours timeframe

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other one is time gated

versed atlas
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ohhh, they don't LB? TIL

shy hazel
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u can lv them until 120

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but lol

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they have shit skills and stats

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until u strengthen them to like

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30lb

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level lb and strength lb is different

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in theory u can get all 6 pr ships

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in lets say

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4-6 months

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but all of them wont have max strengthening

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maybe only 2-3 ships are max strengthened

leaden sequoia
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tl;dr PR ships require extensive resource and time investment to make them usable, unlike normal ships which you can rush to 100 in a few days, then a few days for 110/120, leveling their skills at the same time

shy hazel
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20k gold per day

versed atlas
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I see.

shy hazel
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im still wondering where to farm that

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so i can max strength a ship in a month

leaden sequoia
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spam 7-2

shy hazel
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i tried hey

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daily 4k oils cant reach 20k

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zulul

leaden sequoia
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whale

versed atlas
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so, what's recommended for PvP? Saint-Louis? Monarch? Ibuki?

finite valve
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the only ship worth maxing in PR atm is nep for pvp purposes

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best is nep for tanking and monarch if you want hms or BB back line

shy hazel
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depends on you

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ill still do monarch first because shes the most useful

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๐Ÿ‘€

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then do louis then roon then nep

finite valve
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using hms w/o WS kai

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lel

shy hazel
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hey why not

versed atlas
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if my plan is to do nagato and amagi in pvp then would Saint-Louis be best?

shy hazel
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offense pvp can beat anything anyways

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louis is like what

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evade and speed

versed atlas
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yeah

shy hazel
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shes a staple in jp a long time ago like that yea

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and roon has shield and dps

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if u really want to focus on current meta

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and use pr ship

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u should prioritize any vanguard

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im just gonna go backline because well

finite valve
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best for pvp is nep since zombie

shy hazel
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to prepare for hms

finite valve
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saint is just speed + eva

shy hazel
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we dont evne know when 120 will even come

leaden sequoia
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doesn't Louis also hit like a truck?

shy hazel
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until u gear cas with pr wheel

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theyll stay bad

leaden sequoia
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not that she's more suitable for PvP because of that

versed atlas
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i was thinking that neptune might also be worth it, because of her usefulness in pve

finite valve
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irrelevant since VG job is to stall not to deal dps

leaden sequoia
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since backline damage is prioritized anyway

finite valve
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meta has always been back line

shy hazel
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it really feels good

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when u do long cube 8hr com

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then get nothing

finite valve
grave gale
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two 1.2k commissions: 10k gold.
merchant: 7.2k gold per 24h

It's very easy to get 20k gold every 24 hours

shy hazel
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i still need to grind them factional ships

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so it wont happen in the first 3 months

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until i finish building all 6 ships

leaden sequoia
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implying hardcore grinders will ever see 1.2k comms as an option

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though

shy hazel
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im gonna go the casual-hardcore route

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100 all non lvl 100 factional ships

leaden sequoia
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7-2 farming should yield more, so that's good then

shy hazel
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rather than go full oil saver monkey

leaden sequoia
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for the same amount of oil

versed atlas
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so what's an HMS fleet lineup for pvp

finite valve
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build order for me is roon > louis > monarch > ibuki > nep > izumo
altho max order might be diff depend on which i prioritize

versed atlas
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with PR ships

shy hazel
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still far

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sandy kai isnt even here yet

versed atlas
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QE - WS Kai, - Monarch?

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Juneau, Belfast, Neptune?

finite valve
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in a dream hms we don't use QE

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waste of space

versed atlas
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who instead of QE? DoY?

finite valve
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hood or doy

shy hazel
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use doy or

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centaur

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but centaur is still 404 on en

versed atlas
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@finite valve why Roon first?

finite valve
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waifu mate

versed atlas
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hmm

finite valve
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not everyone is a try hard pvp

versed atlas
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maybe i should build roon too

finite valve
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build a ship is ez

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the hard part is maxing them

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so you can build anyone first

versed atlas
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especially when my ingame name is RoonRoon

shy hazel
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time to spend 150 gems everyday

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to buy 15k gold

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or was it 300

leaden sequoia
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15k gold is 450 gems

shy hazel
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spicy

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nvm

versed atlas
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i see some people go Nagato - Amagi - Hyuuga right now in pvp

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is that better than BB Kaga?

finite valve
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baga is a niche

grave gale
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Not a fan of three BBs. Just like wasda, it's slow

finite valve
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i still manage to beat that comp on a daily basic w/o having to reset so i don't really care

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nagato is too paper

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always first to die

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LMFAO

elder crane
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With BB Kaga, it's not too bad on match time since triple barrage

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But then you have to be a master coinflipper

elder crane
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Hmm, what would you guys say is the average distance in AL units from your vanguard to the enemy main fleet?

random vault
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how do u measure AL units lol

elder crane
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Gun range units, speed units, and AA range units are all the same in AL, iirc

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Wait torps can tell us

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your van just barely sometimes hits magtorps

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what's the range on magtorps again?

random vault
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in game the quad mag is 52 range

elder crane
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That's definitely a lie

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Cause that's shorter range than CL/DD secondaries, which don't shoot at your vanguard

random vault
elder crane
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60 for DD, 65 for CL gun targeting range

random vault
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maybe torp range is differently measured idk lmao

elder crane
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Nah, AL in-game just lies on range stats laffeyDrink

random vault
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well idk whats the real range value anyway LeanderXD

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the furthest one is normal quad torp with 60 range ingame

elder crane
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Which are completely(ish) different from ingame values for whatever goddamn reason laffeyDrink

buoyant parrot
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<- Namabaka patreon~

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Coinflip - Heads You Die, Tail You still Die ggAnimated

wicked rivet
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Sounds like a good game

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Im in

midnight heron
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can someone explain how a team of ijn has their vanguards survive lucky e, cuz i always find it bullshit when it happens

modern tree
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It's just luck/speed

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Double damage doesn't matter if you miss

wicked rivet
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Enterprise in 2019 kek

white granite
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air strikes are sad against light armour vanguards imo

midnight heron
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yea but still

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2 out of 3 runs of missing

wicked rivet
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Triple DD vanguard = what airstrike?

midnight heron
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and me getting hit

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is bs

wicked rivet
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Double IJN DD, Namagi, Belfast = foxes? More like ez win

buoyant parrot
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Haloist you need good AA Ships

wicked rivet
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Get a better comp

buoyant parrot
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AA Ships at least lessen the damage taken

modern tree
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I advise getting used to it considering we are in the meta of 40% chance to lose the game

midnight heron
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im using wasde + bel jun yuki

buoyant parrot
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specially if you have Anti-Air Skill

midnight heron
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so i quite literally hav no fucking idea y dis kinda shit keeps happening

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its pretty annoying

buoyant parrot
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A good one to start with is Juneau

wicked rivet
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Who r u using

buoyant parrot
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or Clevebro

midnight heron
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i stated my fleet above

coral wren
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can't wait for sandokai

midnight heron
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im fine with it not wiping if i dont keep getting hit as well

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pretty much just a fuck you to my face

coral wren
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i mean, essugee + lucky E = crippled

modern tree
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Wasde kind of needs Helena nowadays imho. Very far behind on damage

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Just run Juneau Helena Ykkz, win cuz rolling dice

midnight heron
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well i can try but helena is 101 rn so

random vault
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use nagiyu in offense so that u can reset more easily entyLUL

coral wren
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my enterprise is 108 thinkpitz the other 2 are 110

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is nanoda better than belfap against kitsune?

real notch
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both are good against foxes

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YKKZ is good against everything

coral wren
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well she's just lv99 ffs

elder crane
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You only need to reset with Nagiyu vs the mirror
Everything else is easy rolling

coral wren
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nagato is 98, hiryuu is 95... nanoda is 99.. why am i cursed.. also, what do you run with nanoda in a hiryuu fleet?

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can you run eldridge by any chance?

elder crane
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Bel and Juneau usually

random vault
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eldridge is not gonna survive long in an akaga infested world

elder crane
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Maybe Sheff over Bel, but idk on that one

real notch
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eldridge slow speed is kind of overlooked

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it's impact on her squishiness is actually quite high

modern tree
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I reset my nakaga vs Amagi with foxes once cuz nobody dealt any damage and I died to 4 strikes of plane suicide sandyparty

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I fucking hate rng comps

elder crane
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Plus, question would be, why Eld?
What exactly does it help against that you don't already steamroll?

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For offense, the only thing Namayu needs to build against, win-% wise, is mirror Namagi-type teams
Nothing else I've encountered challenges really

real notch
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same here

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namaryuu full on stomps any other fleet

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and even with bad RNG, just wins

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nakaga is the biggest risk it appears so far

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but even then nakaga is just not better than namaryuu

coral wren
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ๅคฉ้พ™้—จ is just gucci

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:3

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too gucci

lament lichen
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Sandbag guide smugBucky

coral wren
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reroll washington. play like normal sandbag if u want. get gensui

elder crane
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Miss 4 matches, sandbag way back up to only about 15 pts behind where usually would be
Then miss another match and facepalm laffeyDrink

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Though idk how sad I'm about it anymore

coral wren
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do you usually try to get max value out of every game

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or do like 2-3 one after the other?

real notch
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i caught myself 5 mins before reset last night and started spammed my games

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and left midway to clean my bathtub, came back and forgot about spamming my games

elder crane
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Early-on, hot time for catching people climbing is right after reset

real notch
coral wren
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isn't it tiring to keep reopening the app to see the real rank though

elder crane
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I tend to refresh list/play a match 5, 15, 30, 50 mins after a reset or so

grave gale
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I don't bother with intentionally sandbagging. Sandy is casual enough where you just need to win every match to gensui

elder crane
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By now though, few rush anymore, and it's 50/50 between the hour before reset and the hour after

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in terms of getting bonus points

coral wren
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tfw i lost 4 games because people at work phoned me and i forgot i was losing

modern tree
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if you've been keeping up, getting more than+1 after commodore rank is a pipe dream

elder crane
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Need to be at more than 5/10 to catch people the hour before though, usually

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If you haven't dropped matches ofc

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8/10 or more matches left usually to catch someone to get a +1 for the hour before reset

random vault
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im at sandy, i just sandbag less when the win reward is +10

buoyant parrot
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Meanwhile I can be #1 right now if I ran all my attempts with 4 more attacks spare ๐Ÿ˜‚

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sandbagging at its finest in Avrora

random vault
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too lazy to sandbag all the time, i prefer hunting for the exp after gensui LeanderXD

coral wren
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how can you even wait that long

buoyant parrot
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because Avrora is Harcoooooooooor

elder crane
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Non-Avrora servers don't really need a lot of sandbag if you don't drop matches usually

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or even sandbag at all, maybe

random vault
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too many hardcores in avrora ๐Ÿ’ฆ

elder crane
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Just a bit of sandbag and a well-timed rush is still all that's needed for Avrora

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if it's just top 10 you need to enter once

buoyant parrot
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2 more hours before refresh

coral wren
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the real question is why the fuck i got every single purple off 11-3 but no sendai

elder crane
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oh no Hiei-chan

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I have a sinking feeling we'll get two concurrent limited/temp constructions

random vault
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that seems the most likely scenario atm

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good thing idc abt kizuna ai entyLUL

elder crane
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Riot enough, and maybe devs will give compensation

buoyant parrot
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please let it be on the Special Build SO I CAN GET DAMN SUBS!!!!!!

vague token
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wait that's hiei?

elder crane
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like they did for CN/JP when they had two concurrent construction events

zenith tundra
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isn't zeppy in special?

vague token
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is she gonna have a tank skill still or something completely different lol

coral wren
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what's the best offensive fleet? nakaga sendai jintsuu nanoda?

buoyant parrot
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@coral wren Check EN TierList

random vault
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zeppy and hiei seem to be in special, judging by how they should come in jp

buoyant parrot
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answer is already there

coral wren
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the PVP en guide or?

random vault
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its just the kizunas we arent sure of

coral wren
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i didn't understand that one quite well tbh

buoyant parrot
elder crane
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Zeppy supposedly in special
Hopefully KizAI isn't cons, or is in special too

buoyant parrot
random vault
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why isnt this one pinned LeanderXD

coral wren
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i didn't understand it that well, sorry, but the aripanda one was easier

random vault
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the kizunas will most likely be builds cause they wanna succ our money by making 3 additional kizunas

zenith tundra
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lots of builds imo. i think maybe 1 kizuma is free but rest construction

buoyant parrot
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I don't quite understand why you can't understand it... There's already like WORDS on it explaining how its effective X___x

random vault
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its either theyll be in limited, or they join specials for a limited time like zeppy/hiei

elder crane
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Nah, good to get an outside opinion

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Especially from intended audience

random vault
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what part abt it you dont understand?

buoyant parrot
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every meta that's currently RELEVEANT us of late is there with its viable Vanguard Options for you to choose from hmmAnimated

elder crane
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Etherstar, sorry but please shut up on it

buoyant parrot
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right

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please let us know what part confuses you?

coral wren
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i've thought you linked that one

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i can't understand that one tbh

buoyant parrot
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aaaahhhhhhhhhh

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that explains

coral wren
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i didn't notice you posted something diff

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sorry

buoyant parrot
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that's for results ๐Ÿ˜‚

lament lichen
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that has like alot of old data from lvl 100

coral wren
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oh alright

buoyant parrot
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oops

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wrong link

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if something confuses you by all means let us know so we can work around it

random vault
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we should ask someone to pin the tierlist LeanderXD

grave gale
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makes no sense to have the reset testing pinned but not that one. Erebus could just edit his pinned post to include it

coral wren
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which is more effective, sendai kai or aurora?

buoyant parrot
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it depends on your backline

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you have to consider your synergy

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and some use them at the same time

ionic magnet
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if i'd pick one ill go with aurora just because shes more consistent

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im surprised they went with hiei-chan considering they renamed bel chan entyLUL

grave gale
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I don't think it's wise to rely too much on fox damage by using both Aurora and Sendai together. Belfast is a big cockblock to that. If foxes fail to kill the vanguard right away they're at major disadvantage because they get torn apart by BB shells

ionic magnet
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or maybe they ran out of ideas

random vault
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original argument was its an english game so no japanese honorifics allowed

zenith tundra
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u wouldn't use chan as a native english speaker would u

modern tree
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faction based naming convention is not really anything bizarre

random vault
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but warShrug i kinda dont give a shit now anyway

ionic magnet
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but the bigger surprise is if theres no lolified uss ship

modern tree
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also, I'd not run Sendai without Aurora cuz torp buff needs -eva to count for anything

random vault
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we already got all the current jp announcements, i think thats all we will have lol

modern tree
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and if you are running it just for the flare, it's kinda bad

random vault
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no uss loli sandyMeme

ionic magnet
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wow for real

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my enty chan dreams LeanderXD

random vault
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and the latest jp announcement so far is the an shan skin i think?

buoyant parrot
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I'd be damn if we get Little Sandy

random vault
steep fog
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sandy chan with sandy for max AA meme

random vault
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sandy chan: boost all atlanta class AA
entyLUL

buoyant parrot
finite valve
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3 lolies in 1 update

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LMFAO

lament lichen
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an chan skin is on CN

coral wren
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what to use on south dakota, 410mm or 406?

blazing scroll
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I'd roll with a 410

coral wren
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is it because it can fire twice unlike the 406?

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because of the tank ability?

zenith tundra
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faster reload and better chance to hit stuff

blazing scroll
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I am not a big fan of the 406 on SD anyway

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410 allows you to hit enty too

zenith tundra
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406 only advantage is that it can more easily hit vg

blazing scroll
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I encountered the problem that both washy and SD had the 406 and whenever they fired their barrage, enty would lucky e

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Which was such bs

coral wren
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so 410 is better?

real notch
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@zenith tundra for equip, should there be names for the guns?

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i put in something just to show what it mean

zenith tundra
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it should be on top tho

versed atlas
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my nagato is level 80

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even a level 80 nagato puts in as much work as VG ships

split socket
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except for ykkz, ur other vg looks a bit on the low side as well so that's to be expected

zenith tundra
versed atlas
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idk, my other VG does about that amount of damage

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they very often just go down quickly

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but the main fleet still overwhelms the opponent often

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@zenith tundra pop in a bismarck instead of enterprise

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oh wait that would conflict with tirpitz

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hmmmmmmmm

zenith tundra
versed atlas
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yeah that's how it usually goes

zenith tundra
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not even my juneau died

versed atlas
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wait, you ARE running the hyuuga setup

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is it good?

zenith tundra
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if u like to see nagato demolishing enemy team it is

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pretty consistent tbh

versed atlas
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i dont have 6x gold SGs tho

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:<

zenith tundra
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kinda of barrage based

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way too slow team. before enty and graf do anything they are already at a disadvantage

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unless zeppy is broken i don't see kms going anywhere yet

coral wren
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is hyuuga actually used in pvp

elder crane
#

She's being experimented with

zenith tundra
#

i use her

elder crane
#

probably not the best option in slot, but is definitely good it seems

trim horizon
#

I use her on offense, only oathed, not even full geared

coral wren
#

why can't i get sendai ffs

#

literally got all purps and blues but no sendai yet

grave gale
#

no barrages makes Hyuuga slow

trim horizon
#

I have Hiryuu maxed, but Hyuuga is fun to use pepega

elder crane
#

Hyuuga defs more applicable for PvE too, yeah

grave gale
#

Same as when people ran North Carolina. Thee extra fp boost is nice but it doesn't make matches faster.

elder crane
#

Same thing for KagaBB, maybe

#

much easier to farm XP on

#

Just anywhere
Only poorish PvE ship is Juneau

#

But I found a use for her in ch 10/11

coral wren
#

holy shit 2 golden bofors blueprints in a single finish

modern tree
#

if the vg ship isnt shit, I use Penny with firework/ap gun

coral wren
#

yup

maiden agate
#

I use w11 to train vanguard. Lots of xp to leech

elder crane
#

Amagi/Phoenix/Juneau in ch11
Barrage BB/same-fl in ch10

modern tree
#

or Arizona if the ship is actual garbage

elder crane
#

at safe ofc

coral wren
#

i just can't get the sendai

#

is sendai surely just a blue?

grave gale
#

rarity is irrelevant when it comes to enemy only drops

#

they're all a pain in the ass

coral wren
#

is it a good idea to use oxy on jintsuu?

#

i'd use one on jintsuu and one on "sendai", should i ever get her

zenith tundra
#

i wouldn't compare nc to hyuuga... hyuuga buffs nagato and amagi dmg while nc buff aa. i think there is a big difference

hot creek
#

lol someone put up a Namagi/Hood comp with suicide torps VG after I had that as my defense yesterday. I wonder if it caused any losses/resets. its actually pretty decent against stall VG based comps.

zenith tundra
#

"113 provides AA stats and faster trigger for her barrage."
is this suppose to be twin 100 instead? (sirius)

lament lichen
#

113 smugBucky

wicked rivet
#

I've been using Namagi+DoY and so far I havent found a comp that can beat it woopsThink

#

"113" thenk yeah they mean 110

coral wren
#

beat it? as in using it as defense?

#

or that u havent lost yet

versed atlas
#

this is a real randomass fleet

#

at first i thought this guy mistakenly thought that saratoga was an IJN ship due to the name

#

but looking at the VG... i have no idea

#

i'm not sure

#

but considering how my mogami didnt die within like the first 30 seconds, that fleet seems to suck

#

i dont understand the frontline

blazing scroll
#

Is everybody sleeping on sandy?

elder crane
#

Yeah, I've seen both Sarakai and Enty in Namagi flex slot

#

Maybe they don't have a IJN to put there?

#

That one in particular doesn't have a Juneau either, suggesting maybe they haven't leveled the PvE-only ships

hot creek
#

I am always sleeping

trim horizon
zenith tundra
#

that is @vague token fleet and he just likes sara

shell heron
modern tree
#

fighting Namagi with HMS is just gambling on whos BBs are better at hitting the VG

#

you will roll the comp 3 times, then just get crushed a couple of times, then continue rolling it, and there is no patten to it other than "you hit the first shots on the VG"

#

I have never had less fun

hot creek
#

yeah this meta is pretty dumb. nakaga meta would have been more tolerable than this shit.

modern tree
#

NAkaga is so easy to beat

hot creek
#

in nakaga mirror you could change equips to increase win rates but namagiryuu meta is just bullshit rng.

real notch
#

alright guys

#

what's the verdict on TB in namaryuu fleets

#

cuda or ryuu

zenith tundra
#

i would use ryuusei just to have better chances on defense lol

hot creek
#

ryuuseis on defesne are worse though

zenith tundra
#

i dont think it is against nakaga

hot creek
#

you use them on offense cause they nuke VG due to battle being closer to your side.

#

you ever face a fleet using ryusei, its just underwhelming

shell heron
#

Never liked using ryusei in PvP. They lock on to the VG's last location and one can only hope the VG moves back there or a main fleet ship is in the path of the torps

#

Or just watch them all fly vertically off the map

zenith tundra
#

nakaga wins vg almost always i dont see a point on trying to contest that

real notch
#

well this is pretty easily calculatable

#

2 scenarios:

  1. enemy VG
  2. no enemy VG
#

and test scenario 2., total difference in touchdown dmg vs. difference if all torps land

#

considerations: cuda has more HP, and lands at least 1/3 torps that it shoots

#

if we can calculate that ryuusei at least does more in sce. 2., then we have an argument

#

because sce 1. ryuusei whiffs torps IMO half the time

shell heron
#

Against any reasonable defense comps, I don't see scenario 2 happening often. A good VG can take 2 air strikes before going down. If I need 3, I'll probably reset.

modern tree
#

also, I swer BB Kaga barrage not only is a fucking coinflip, it also picks a random target and says "fuck you in particular" then unloads like half of the projectiles on them no matter where they fucking are

#

it just sniped a ship across from her for no fucking reason

zenith tundra
#

anyone has namaryuu def to test out? i havent found maxed namaryuu after jojo one

rough idol
#

whats the JP meta

zenith tundra
#

ws + stuff for now till pr2 max dev level after warShrug

rough idol
#

im trying to make a fleet w the research ships

#

or smth

#

just something that will bring me high up i nrankings

#

yknow

real notch
#

no namaryuus other than jojo and zack bluerendar in avrora

#

there's me too i suppose

zenith tundra
#

so many...

rough idol
#

namaryuu wont be meta soon

#

so i wanted to plan smth

zenith tundra
#

meta with pr ships most likely fdg + ws kai + hiryuu or whatever if i have to guess

rough idol
#

hmm

#

fdg?

shy hazel
#

why is it that no one is meeting my fleet

#

why are your scores too low people

zenith tundra
rough idol
#

ahh

#

ok

shy hazel
#

im still excited for that meme

#

kms future fleet

rough idol
#

what about fl

shy hazel
#

that is in theory will have the memest hp

#

lvl 120 gives like what

zenith tundra
#

im 7 behind i cant meet anything

shy hazel
#

2.4x hp in pvp?

zenith tundra
#

2.34

shy hazel
#

25k hp smugBucky

#

poggerino

#

+dmg reduction

#

the bad thing is her barrage is meh

analog hare
vague token
#

owo someone commenting on me

#

im famous now

zenith tundra
#

ur dumb sara is

vague token
#

;)

#

kids are just jealous of my zero/comet/comet sara

shy hazel
#

i wonder if kamijou or silverisno use

#

will move

#

i believe they're also sandbaggers but rushes to like

#

top 10 evertime

ionic magnet
#

score check?

zenith tundra
#

lol

shy hazel
#

smugBucky secret

ionic magnet
#

1634 7/10

zenith tundra
#

1654 5/10

#

lol

ionic magnet
#

lmao

real notch
#

1688 6/10

vague token
#

1701 6/10

ionic magnet
#

zack outplaying me OWARIDA

shy hazel
#

did u lose charges req

#

i tot u were supposed to have 0 losses

#

๐Ÿ‘€

real notch
#

yes, i told a very sad story last night

zenith tundra
#

im just doing my attempts before i forget to do another 3

shy hazel
#

o

real notch
shy hazel
#

my casual sandbagging still pays off heysmugBucky

real notch
#

my brains getting old (?)

zenith tundra
#

lol

shy hazel
#

do rounds every hour regardless of bonus or not

lament lichen
#

1675 thats kamitaโ€™s score

shy hazel
#

that's probably 10/10 for kamita

ionic magnet
#

that looks low for kamitas standards

shy hazel
#

rather than only kamita its like

#

its already high for this season

lament lichen
#

Eveyone is low

shy hazel
#

which is so slow

#

when seasons are so slow people tend to lose more charges

#

which makes it slower

#

cos sandbagging too much

#

@lament lichen what is your score

#

if youre near kamita like that

lament lichen
#

1689

#

Oh

shy hazel
#

i guess u in that range too

lament lichen
#

1678

#

You either get +0 to 3

shy hazel
#

higher than kamita z35wow

zenith tundra
#

@ionic magnet did u get nogatoPing yet?

shy hazel
#

nope

ionic magnet
#

at this point i already accepted i wont get her longcryland

analog hare
#

Last day be optimistic
Bless your build

ionic magnet
#

rolled about 350 cubes now

shy hazel
#

oh i realized, the use -chan on hiei

#

thats a violation of translation ethics

zenith tundra
#

i dont think it is. hiei is a jp ship so its fine for her to have chan while belchan is a hms ship so she should have something more british not weeb stuff in her name

analog hare
shy hazel
#

Actually jap name or not it's not allowed in professional translation but well

#

they did it anyways

#

oh i get it now

#

it in this case, it's a name rather than a sentence kind of thing

#

but well, that's like

#

looking for loopholes

vague token
#

o.O

shy hazel
#

gotta blame english for not having equivalent honorifics

zenith tundra
#

are there actual ppl that play a weeb game and don't know what chan means?

shy hazel
#

๐Ÿ‘€ hey

#

there is

#

i was shocked when my completely normal cousin in japan was playing a weeb game

#

cos its mainstream

#

lol

#

i should apply for translator for azurlane en

#

problem is if they're doing chinese -> english

#

i dont know chinese

zenith tundra
#

tbh i fail to see the problem. already #game-feedback is under lockdown because of the subject lol

vague token
#

oof

shy hazel
#

in my case, its just technical

#

because im a business japanese translator

#

its a casual game anyways so its fine i guess

#

lol

#

Im bored of my job

zenith tundra
#

who isnt't bored of working?

shy hazel
#

if i accidentally carry over -san or -sama in the documents im translating

#

id be in the streets tomorrow

#

but thats business for you

real notch
#

the japanese translation into english is well known to be extremely liberal and full of holes

#

shiranui, kaga, belfast

#

etc.

#

tons of them have terrible translations

hot creek
#

somebody bring up the screenshot where Belfast is saying stuff in broken english

real notch
#

and apparently, unless if the translation is the complete OPPOSITE of what the ships are saying

#

the "translation is not wrong"

#

"it's an artistic twist"

#

"it's up for interpretation"

#

HAhaa like no it's fkin not, the translation is just wrong

ionic magnet
#

tbh i think they just ran out of ideas

#

hiei-y
little hiei
hiette
they all sound just wrong

shy hazel
#

little hiei doesnt sound correct but it is the most correct one

#

lol

ionic magnet
#

jap name for a jap ship i think we can make a pass for that

shy hazel
#

but they should have named little zep that way also

ionic magnet
#

yea

shy hazel
#

but they didnt so they setup a new precedent

#

casus belli to now name a ship hiei chan

#

well its just a name of a ship i wont use anyways

ionic magnet
#

zeppy would look out of place if they named it little hiei

shy hazel
#

ill find it funny though

#

if zeppy is stronger than original zep

ionic magnet
#

so yea hiei chan looks less wrong

shy hazel
#

my professional part says no but the casual part says okay

#

lol

ionic magnet
#

i dont even have mama zep

real notch
#

i'm pretty sure

shy hazel
#

poor poor hooloo

real notch
#

stella and i could do a better job translating for AL

shy hazel
#

now you wont have nagato too

real notch
#

hire us yostar

shy hazel
#

they can pay me by gems hey

ionic magnet
#

hey atleast i have an excuse now to use off meta fleets

#

im still waiting for that sweet +13 pts but so far nothing even if im this far behind

zenith tundra
#

go to 0/10 and then wait 1 reset out

real notch
ionic magnet
#

no i meant from usual sandbagging

#

cos going 0/10 will net me fewer bonus pts rn

zenith tundra
#

good luck with that

ionic magnet
zenith tundra
#

ur 7 behind why would u even care about that

vague token
#

just got level 10 barrage

#

now to finish buff

#

=D

ionic magnet
#

for aotn ofc

#

can still get it i think

real notch
#

what's worth testing against this guy...

#

should i run ryuusei vs cuda?

#

maybe i'll do 10 games with ryuusei, 10 games with cuda

#

so we get more data on which TB is better

shy hazel
#

reset is near hey

#

dont meme

ionic magnet
#

his vg fp looks low

real notch
#

oh fuck, you're right... nvm his VG is too weak

#

didn't even look at it

lament lichen
#

his vg dies so fast

ionic magnet
#

6 boilers maybe smugBucky

real notch
#

i think even then

#

oh there's a namagaga here

ionic magnet
#

yea not sure

real notch
lament lichen
#

oh that guy

real notch
#

i think that's 2x oxytorp VG

#

so kinda memey imo

lament lichen
#

it is

#

on jintsuu and ykz

real notch
#

hopefully it's on belfast and jintsuu

#

RIP lol damn

ionic magnet
#

worth testing still i think

lament lichen
#

dunno

#

yuki dies pretty fast

real notch
#

yea, that's the problem with oxy YKKZ

lament lichen
#

once she's lit up

#

she's pretty much dead

real notch
#

i did that test before, no good results

shy hazel
#

rip

real notch
#

alright i'll test it YOLO

shy hazel
#

tatsuya also lost charges

real notch
#

10 games

lament lichen
#

you should have a 90% win rate

shy hazel
#

i dont see him moving from rank 250

vague token
#

no extinguisher on ykk? that's heresy

lament lichen
#

i didnt even have my skill proc and i just killed him pretty easily

ionic magnet
#

they cant burn her if shes dead smugBucky

lament lichen
zenith tundra
#

wasnt toolbox better on her. i lost the patch notes where everyone switched from toolbox to fe

lament lichen
#

kamita at 1726 slow ass session

#

+1 only

shy hazel
#

that hyrall

#

he was like in my 9/10 charge

real notch
#

Atha (Nagato, amagi, Kaga BB | Belfast, jintsuu, YKKZ) 13.6/14.1
current fleet (nagato, amagi, hiryuu | belfast, juneau, YKKZ) 13.4/13.1
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win

fuck me i accidentally won

shy hazel
#

then he rank 8 in my 6/10 charge

buoyant parrot
#

OMG almost gave me a heart attack I started attack in PvP @ :53 IT'S 7mins to reset... Good thing I finished it

lament lichen
shy hazel
#

people really sandbags now

lament lichen
#

famine should be at 1725

real notch
#

well anyways, overall conclusion, these games are actually quite close - kaga BB is a really strong alternative to hiryuu provided she procs, and i'm pretty sure my winrate would be worse if he used juneau

buoyant parrot
#

Damn I was sooooo scared right now

lament lichen
#

it would be closer if he didnt use oxy torp meme

real notch
#

there's a lot of namaryuus

#

this one looks BiS, just not oathed

buoyant parrot
zenith tundra
#

idk my namahyuu is 14.1k

lament lichen
#

this paladin guy

zenith tundra
#

and no oath on hyuuga

real notch
#

oh, guess not then

#

oh i just noticed he had hyuuga not hiryuu

#

my bad

zenith tundra
buoyant parrot
#

Sandbagging in its ultimate form

lament lichen
#

famine also with a +1

hot creek
#

only 1725? wild

zenith tundra
#

nice season to lose attempts. at least i dont have to deal with no bonuses

lament lichen
#

session so messed up

buoyant parrot
#

Always tends to get bonuses so far... Just +1 though

lament lichen
#

its like +1 on average

buoyant parrot
#

Is Famine still at 5/10?

lament lichen
#

he should be 10/10

buoyant parrot
#

Well by now

#

But what I meant is at rank 43?!

lament lichen
#

im rank 35 wiht 10/10

buoyant parrot
#

Omg

vague token
#

lol

lament lichen
#

oh wait you didnt update the ranks yet

#

i was top 25

zenith tundra
#

i can already see all +9 last 5 attempts lol

lament lichen
#

before reset

#

thats why i dont bother trying to get bonuses

buoyant parrot
#

Never had a single lost and I'm at 115

lament lichen
#

gonna get too close to thte top at this rate

buoyant parrot
#

And my sleep everyday is like 3 hours or so coz of it

zenith tundra
#

find a better hobby

hot creek
#

If I didn't live in optimal time zone I don't think i'd bother sandbagging to the point of messing up my sleep

zenith tundra
#

its actually hard not to do it at least for me. that if i dont lose attempts

charred sable
shy hazel
#

sumire

zenith tundra
#

that looks like a nightmare lol

#

time to use junkers on hiryuu for faster launch time mutsukiStare

charred sable
zenith tundra
#

at this point might as well remove her from fleet if she doesnt die

buoyant parrot
#

I'll say it again, by far this is the most hardest season.

shell heron
#

Etherst, you won't see me move for a while. It's been half an hour and my left most person is ranked below me.

shy hazel
#

got +1

#

freezer moved

#

now i can just rush attempts smugBucky

buoyant parrot
#

X__x

shy hazel
#

cant get anything higher than +1 anyways

lament lichen
#

mfw only rank 1 can give me +1

buoyant parrot
#

At this point its a battle of how to avoid +9

shell heron
#

My rank 1 will still give me +0
Did math wrong, It's +1 being only 38 points ahead of me

zenith tundra
#

last season wasn't that great either

buoyant parrot
#

Yeah but that's fucked up in the first place

shy hazel
#

i expect next season to be the same

#

kizuna with pr zulul

#

pvp hardcores are also pve hardcores

buoyant parrot
#

This season everyone suddenly wants to sandbag and be tryhards

zenith tundra
#

maybe ppl are getting tired of fucked up seasons and decide to forget it

shy hazel
#

so some will rush to build prs

#

lol

buoyant parrot
#

Well having to build pr ship early has its advantages after a few months

#

Specially in PvP you get to annoy a lot of weakling plebs

charred sable
#

PRs are time gated

#

You won't see them next season

buoyant parrot
#

Like I said few months lol... You get to see them in action 2-3 months

charred sable
#

I doubt the Kizuna Ai ships will be meta changing as well, given Yostar's decent track record

buoyant parrot
#

I want more Collabs or any OP ships that fires Laser Beams

charred sable
#

Secret SSR Purifier sirenTentacles

buoyant parrot
#

We only got one from one of the collab and it's pathetically weak just Esthetic

#

But still sort of useful

vague token
#

last reset i was gifted an extra +1 by matchmaker

shy hazel
#

the thing is

vague token
#

i was like doodWow

shy hazel
#

its proven that pvp gets so slow when there are events

#

trash or not

#

lol

#

so i just expect next season to be the same

vague token
#

kizuna is in the next patch with little bel right?

shy hazel
#

yeah

#

then in the 2nd week of the season

#

are prs

vague token
#

do we have any ideas on the kizuna skills?

shy hazel
#

trash probably

zenith tundra
#

lets just hope they lose all the data for kizuma collab

vague token
#

or all trash like most collab

shy hazel
#

lol

vague token
#

xD

shy hazel
#

some people defended uta collab ships have good skills

vague token
#

if the kizuna collab has good skills ill longcryland

shy hazel
#

then u look at jp tierlist

#

where are uta ships

vague token
#

muh neptunia ships getting disrespected

shy hazel
#

kiro

#

neptunia

#

๐Ÿšฎ

vague token
#

i mean

#

i literally cant disagree

zenith tundra
#

ill longcryland if i dont have to waste 200 cubes on 1 ship like nep event

vague token
#

lol

shy hazel
#

thing is

#

are small ships

#

gacha or not

#

if they combine kizuna and small ships events in the same pool

#

chaos will ensue

vague token
#

oh god

#

what kind of monster would do such a thing

shy hazel
#

you know its far worse to run a double banner

#

in what they do in jp

#

limited got nagato

#

heavy got mikasa

#

lul

buoyant parrot
#

There is no chaos only ๐Ÿ’ณ

vague token
#

wow

#

that's an oof

zenith tundra
#

id rather have 0 kizuma (why the hell there are more then 1 in the 1st place) then 0 of any small ship

vague token
#

im curious what hiei will have

shy hazel
#

i only have 100 cubes

vague token
#

since base hiei is pretty meh

#

but if smol hiei has a better shield or durability

#

she could be like ijn sodak

#

with namagi

zenith tundra
#

im more interested to see how bad zeppy is tbh

vague token
#

extra bad

buoyant parrot
#

๐Ÿ˜‚

shy hazel
#

belchan was average

#

maybe the little 2 wont be that bad

#

the thing is

#

belchan was special

vague token
#

belchan's kit is ok despite her having less hp than akashi

#

xD

shy hazel
#

the only frontline that heals over time

buoyant parrot
#

Well big Bel is good so it's okay belchan is average

zenith tundra
#

or maybe they will be worse then kizuma

buoyant parrot
#

Apparently Graf is pathetic

#

So having to see zeppy is extra weak

#

Won't surprise me at all

vague token
#

i mean if german planes had 500 pound bombs

shy hazel
#

theyre only elites anyways

vague token
#

on the fighters

#

and better dives

#

she'd be a defensive version of other fighter/dive/dive carriers

#

although it'd be better if it worked on all ships probably

zenith tundra
#

fight fight dive?

#

lol

vague token
#

wait was she 2x fighter?

#

i thought she was 2x dive

#

says 2x dive on wiki

zenith tundra
#

for zeppy i mean

vague token
#

oh ok

#

maybe if she has a take off skill

zenith tundra
#

so she can be worse then big zep

buoyant parrot
#

Yosh!!! Work about to start in 4mins however judging on my ticket boards I have nothing to do that means SLEEP!!! My sleep has been bonkers coz of this pvp season sadpucha

vague token
#

oh boi

shy hazel
#

night

zenith tundra
#

zeppy should also get +50% eff on german fighters for more memes

vague token
#

xD

#

do any german fighters have bombs?

#

i dont actually remember any of them

gaunt chasm
#

is it better to use hyuuga kai with namagi or hiryuu? thinkpitz

zenith tundra
#

hiryuu bis for 3rd namagi. hyuuga is fun to use if u like to see nagato barrage soloing opponent team

gaunt chasm
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how bout yama hk? shes like on par with hyuuga kai isnt she?

zenith tundra
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its ok with hyuuga but still a 3 bb comps and if u dont proc u can lose

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yama and fusou are worse bbv then ise hyuuga

gaunt chasm
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no like, half kai, keeping them BB

zenith tundra
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at that point hk hyuuga is better because of the buff

gaunt chasm
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i see.. mk then ty

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gonna use hyuukai b4 hiryuu is ready for pvp

zenith tundra
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i use hyuuga for pvp and hardly ever came close to resetting

gaunt chasm
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i dont rlly have BiS for hyuuga, nor for nagato rn tbh.. need plates and gold SG

zenith tundra
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maybe we'll get shells next month. at least should remove some sgs

gaunt chasm
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guess i'll hold my plans of snagging skyrocket for speed memes AkagiLul

zenith tundra
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at that point use german me fighter at least gives more aviation

gaunt chasm
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skyrocket is fastest plane LULW

zenith tundra
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and also totally useless

gaunt chasm
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exactly

zenith tundra
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id rather buy t5 boxes for cranes then waste core data on that plane lol

gaunt chasm
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oh another question, is amakaga still viable?

zenith tundra
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not sure but it should lose to namaryuu and wasda. idk about other matchups tbh

real notch
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viable yes

gaunt chasm
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hm.. i'll try go up against namagi + hyuuga kai then thinkpitz i just got nagato yesterday so im still using amakaga

real notch
zenith tundra
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from @ionic magnet tests against my namagi hyuuga amakaga had a 16-4 score

gaunt chasm
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im using ykk, aurora, and belfast as my amakaga vanguard rn, should be fine..

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im struggling with getting into the top 1k in washington server tho somehow.. idk

ionic magnet
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yea hyuuga namagi is not that good in defense

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hiryuu tho fumizukiStare

gaunt chasm
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so hyuuga namagi on offense but hiryuu on defense? thinkpitz and use 381mm on nagato in hopes that barrahe proc

ionic magnet
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not sure on offense but im p sure hiryuu cant be any worse than hyuuga. prolly just the same

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also are you sandbagging properly? should be easy to get top 1k

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stella guide when smugBucky

shy hazel
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when i feel Inspired

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i cant take pics this season properly

ionic magnet
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amakaga is still fine cos rn very few peeps has maxed namagi but even in the future it will still be fine as long you have patience to reset entyLUL

gaunt chasm
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i dont understand this reset thing

ionic magnet
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you restart the fight if youre losing. repeat til you win smugBucky

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or wdym by reset

gaunt chasm
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like, leave the match?

ionic magnet
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yep

gaunt chasm
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i have always assumed it takes the exercise attempts >.>

ionic magnet
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you dont lose any charge so can repeat all you want

gaunt chasm
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now i shouldnt complain bout amagi not procing after 4 shellings

ionic magnet
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oof thats rough now you can do top 1k entyLUL

gaunt chasm
trim horizon
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+0 this reset ๐Ÿคท

gaunt chasm
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i think im 100 points down from rank 1 in washington rn, and i used all of my attempts alrdy

shell heron
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100 points down from the current rank 1. Top rankers are always sandbaggers that don't show up til 2-3 days before the season ends for that sweet AoTN merit

trim horizon
gaunt chasm
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I'll probably attempt nakaga for a bit..

shell heron
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I'll be using namagi + hyuuga I guess. Having that 70% barrage proc rate on Amagi got me spoiled. That 40% on Nagato now feels real unreliable

zenith tundra
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in namagi hyuuga if nagato doesn't proc usually amagi carries. if both take a break u most likely still win against non maxed comps

shell heron
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still decent. my only person that moved last reset was a namagi hyuuga player.

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made using bel real awkward without planes

vague token
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that nagato damage lol

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