pvp

[blazing scroll]

I would use it on sd

[coral wren]

because of the focused assault?

[blazing scroll]

Washington's barrage is timed

So it doesn't matter as much

Rather use the 406 and deal more dmg

[coral wren]

who uses the pearl?

also, do i use oxy torp on belfast?

[blazing scroll]

I use pearl on Bel

I rather have the vg last longer so no oxy for me

I am wondering if I should use the 155 or 127 on Amagi

I am considering the 127 because it seems like more value

[odd schooner]

406 issue still stays the same

Ah hecc

[coral wren]

do i use purple 533mm mag or gold 610mm on juneau, only got 2 533mm gold mag and they're taken

[odd schooner]

Maybe we could use it vs namagiryuu

[blazing scroll]

If you look at dmg formulas the 25 AA seems to be of more value

Because a lot of dmg calculations depend on enemy AA

[ionic magnet]

hfcr and sg radar has same fleet power right?

[blazing scroll]

yeah

[buoyant parrot]

[ionic magnet]

then maxed amakaga should be 13426

[shy hazel]

really funny

[blazing scroll]

Could very well be

My Amagi is at 196 aff

[shy hazel]

when u do that one round so u can refresh leftmost

then u meet leftmost again in leftmost

[buoyant parrot]

[elder crane]

deja vu

I just had this one list before

[blazing scroll]

higher in the ranks

And I know it's my time to go

[shy hazel]

it is so rude

And is turning me hysteric

[elder crane]

@balmy torrent
I don't see a huge problem with his vid?
What exactly would you want to disprove?
(Though "only 2 exta shots" when you only did 13 to begin with is not exactly insignificant )

[hybrid tendon]

autoloaders are nerfed

comparing to the base version on CN

they are only good on frontlines now

[elder crane]

1. does not depend who you math it out on really, CAs get the largest bonus for vanguard since lower reload but %-wise not big diff

2. He does not say Autoloader is good in PvP

[hybrid tendon]

eh

thats kinda correct

[elder crane]

Yes, and he clarifies he's referring to Nagato buff

[hybrid tendon]

if you actually think about it

for example you fired 3 volleys this match

[elder crane]

And then goes on to say +Hit is better for aux equip

[hybrid tendon]

the third volley is 1s faster

and win you the match

hes technically correct

[elder crane]

It's better to equip +Hit for offense focus

[hybrid tendon]

but I'm not sure about mathematically

[empty sinew]

what if u miss that volley

[hybrid tendon]

just not miss

[blazing scroll]

[empty sinew]

just control ur rng

[blazing scroll]

I only ever considered autoloader to work on Hood, because the entire backline could profit from it

[elder crane]

For vanguard CA sees the largest % effect, more reload to begin with would mean even smaller % effect

It's enough to illustrate the point on that anyways. The % effect is similarly small on all Vanguard ships
His point is correct, that Autoloaders are only ever useful for reload adjustment

[solid phoenix]

Hey guys, what do you think is the best possible vanguard for Nagato+Akaga?

(considering current EN ships)

Regardless of what I have

[ionic magnet]

just look at the tierlist

[solid phoenix]

Everything goes as long as it's on EN

[ionic magnet]

nani

[solid phoenix]

I personally tried Yuki+Aurora+Sendai

Doesn't feel as amazing as I expected

[ionic magnet]

i think @real notch wants to put it out already

[solid phoenix]

Otherwise, Yuki/Jintsuu/Aya

[shy hazel]

undoubtly for me

nakaga

i prefer sirius

aurora

nanoda

[ionic magnet]

atleast the comp tierlist

[shy hazel]

someone changed my explanation

[ionic magnet]

the blasphemy no juneau in nakaga

👀

[shy hazel]

u dont need to be that defensive

nanoda is better

[solid phoenix]

I don't get why Sendai exists without complementing Aurora

[ionic magnet]

are you telling me juneau is not an option

[solid phoenix]

She has 5% extra debuff and gets the IJN buff, but flares feel completely unreliable

You mean the torp buff part?

[ionic magnet]

anyways ill add jint-aurora-juneau there

[shy hazel]

ive never used jun since forever

only on wasda

wasde era

she just works much better on bbs

[ionic magnet]

id argue foxes needs that heal more than anyone else

[shy hazel]

than cvs

[solid phoenix]

Why is it mandatory on 120?

[shy hazel]

survival

[elder crane]

Flares are reliable in 1 case:
When facing Belfast
Almost always near perfectly overlaps smoke, so effectively gain max benefit
Cause if they leave smoke, even better for you!

[shy hazel]

amakaga era i never bother with jun

bel works better for me

well ny jun is 110 anyways

[solid phoenix]

Don't you stick pearls on someone else than Juneau in case of overheal?

[shy hazel]

not oathed though

[modern tree]

I always found running Juneau with foxes rather strange cuz she rarely dies since you wipe the VG so fast

[shy hazel]

when lvl 110 came

it became so much easier

[elder crane]

Another option is Sirius if you have her tanking
Similar situation, not terrible at tanking herself, mostly disposable after applying her skill

[shy hazel]

to wipe mirrors

[elder crane]

Also less squishy and more AA
But lower damage potential

[ionic magnet]

juneau is more of a safety net when torp rng is bad
i tried suicide VGs too but i sticked to jint aurora jun cos i found it the most consistent

even more if you're facing someone with a juneau himself

[elder crane]

NamagiH also destroys, as offense, Nakaga and WaSDA

[solid phoenix]

NamagiH is shit for now

I only faced 1 optimal so far

[odd schooner]

I still see ppl who dislike using junny cause SHip aBuSe

[solid phoenix]

Won pretty consistently with Nakaga

Still, isn't it what matters?

People attacking your defense team will win almost all the time

[elder crane]

Hmm, didn't someone earlier suggest Nakaga doesn't super consistently win vs maxed NamagiH?
Or was that Amkaga

[ionic magnet]

is it the one in pins

[elder crane]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=drivesdk

Or is that the same one

[ionic magnet]

yea same

[elder crane]

It has Nakaga vs NamagiH

And it's about 2/3-3/4 win it seems

And ofc the opposite matchup of NamagiH off vs Nakaga def is an easy win

Lv 120 alone will make enough difference

Though interestingly, NamagiH off might do not much better than Nakaga off vs NamagiH right now, which is kinda hilarious

I'll need to test again after my tweaks to the team (drop 127 for 155, try out both TBs on Hiryuu), and ideally find both a Ryuusei Hiryuu and a Barra Hiryuu to test against

Ehh, hard to make any conclusions on exact winrate, low sample sizes and all
These sorts of binomial dists are notorious for taking huge sample sizes
10 matches gives a SD of estimated winrate of at least 10% for the values we think they will be at

And if we want to decrease SD by a factor of X we need X^2 times more matches
Enough for now to make a observation that Nakaga off is not consistent win ofc

Honestly I'm not even going to bother testing NamagiH offense vs any sort of Akaga def unless I ever have to reset when normal climbing
So far it's all been EZ roflstomps, even vs what I think are good teams (names I recognize)

True, I just want to point out that small observed differences between diff setups are mostly random noise

So conclusions on those, unless there's a huge difference, are reliant on subjective analysis

[buoyant parrot]

looong discussion

well I don't know about that... The only time you can shit talk stuff here is if you have proper data... Lots of people here makes experiment and not just by a few fights... Some people here even go to the extent of using the experimented line up for weeks

@balmy torrent I want that match... Good experimental specimen

[grave gale]

Honestly Nakaga isn't as strong as people hyped it to be. I was expecting instant vanguard wipes all the time and that doesn't happen. It especially doesn't with Belfast around. If double foxes fail to kill the vanguard on the first strike then I don't see much merit in using them.

[odd schooner]

The sirius does it at most but problem starts when you meet backline

[buoyant parrot]

put on defense some weird top shit anything will do as long its full oathed

and Lv 110

[odd schooner]

Like you'll end up getting yeet by those 200% aux guns

[grave gale]

Nagato + Amagi + whatever for third is way better than Nagato + Akagi + Kaga. Tried running both a bunch.

[odd schooner]

What i think of 127mm

[buoyant parrot]

Should you encounter me on your LineUp I can always put any Meta request you want for testing... After all I have them all max Lv110 and fully oathed with 200 Affection

[odd schooner]

Sumire not chatting rn cause he screwed up an experiment and got +9

[buoyant parrot]

got bamboozled

RIP at Sumire

[odd schooner]

@cerulean estuary bet that thing that startled you was the earthquake

[buoyant parrot]

oh yeah that 5.7 EQ

[grave gale]

People are slow at raising their Nagato's

[odd schooner]

I think nakaga will boom later when they have both skills at 10

Then namagiryuu when they meet enough ppl that's hardwalling them

[buoyant parrot]

its him again

[grave gale]

Hiryuu is honestly no threat on defense.

[odd schooner]

He swapped back

[buoyant parrot]

LOL!!!

[odd schooner]

But bottom amagi this time

[buoyant parrot]

after he said to me he's no longer doing PvP and yet this wall

lol

[zenith tundra]

do u want me to test if any better?

[odd schooner]

I said that to blue too tbh

Hope he dun use it to me

[buoyant parrot]

That;s currently how my nagato is geared well except for the Aux Gun

[grave gale]

I use beaver and sg on Nagato and sg + high fire on Amagi

I rather Amagi shoot first with her reliable barrage. She can immediately wipe out vanguards

I know. There's still a good chance she'll hit them. If not, the back across from her is going to lose a lot of HP

[buoyant parrot]

DonaldTrump wall is obsolete

[grave gale]

Wasd is no match against IJN now

[buoyant parrot]

well there are times that this lineup is really bonkers like BB Kaga and Nagato did not skill... its auto lose against any line up 😂

as long BB Kaga and Nagato skill is triggering its a win

[grave gale]

Running Akagi, Nagato and Amagi. MVP is almost always either Amagi or Akagi. Both are always close in damage. Nagato only ever takes mvp if she procs sakura multiple times

[buoyant parrot]

just don't let the enemy Nagato proc its skill 2x or else it might become your defeat 😂

Gonna replace BB Kaga with Monarch for Maximum Barrage Montage

[zenith tundra]

i've been spamming namagi hyuuga. it fun to see the dmg amagi and nagato can do

[buoyant parrot]

how big is the difference damage wise per bullet?

is it that noticeable?

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga can actualy mvp if the others dont proc consistently

as per difference hard to say because haven't played hiryuu in a while

[buoyant parrot]

but is Hyuuga good enough to tank salvos or planes?

I'm assuming She's Bottom

[zenith tundra]

she doesnt die any faster then nagato or amagi and shes bot

[buoyant parrot]

ooooooohhhhh

that sounds great

[zenith tundra]

her hp is not that much but at least heavy saves her from salvos

[buoyant parrot]

whats the current VG you're running

[modern tree]

Hyuuga has pretty good AA and like 2 k health on Hiryuu

[buoyant parrot]

is your Hyuuga Oathed?

[zenith tundra]

no

[buoyant parrot]

okay

[zenith tundra]

using full ded vg

[buoyant parrot]

gonna test it against DonaldTrump

ded?

[buoyant parrot]

aaahhh

crap my Hyuuga's skills is all Lv1 lol 😂

[blazing scroll]

[shy hazel]

i just 100 sendai

after months

[zenith tundra]

72 oil well spent

thats 3x barrage in daily escort

2 of them dont die on sides

[coral wren]

bad rng. u should totally restart and do over

untill u get them all dead

[elder crane]

Manual control time?

[odd schooner]

@coral wren this yours?

[coral wren]

yea

I am looking for it

why wont they accept me

:C

I requested like a month ago

[odd schooner]

Not sure.

Maybe fleet will actually spread like wildfire now

[coral wren]

poor guy must have really bad fleet

to not be able to beat this

[odd schooner]

Cause most locals doesn't visit discord/reddit and usually opens FB

[coral wren]

nice

finally I can get some action in washington

14 more points till 200 aff on hiryuu

time to farm

[odd schooner]

I'm actually reading comments and panda really is pushing the Juneau mid lmao

[coral wren]

I love reading Aripandas

guide

most of my ship choices are follopwing his guide

tho for some reason on his guide. he wants to put jun on top or bot

[odd schooner]

I see aguri and raven in the comments too

[lime rivet]

Heh

[finite valve]

jesus can only be top since bot just mean her heal going to be useless vs nukes comp since she die right before planes hit back line

mid jesus = heal too late

top is the only option left

[coral wren]

she is doing fine in mid tho

avoid dying too early

and then dies after 2nd wave of torps

or so

[modern tree]

Mid actually works for this comp because Hiryuu is the squishiest but her "dying" is okay and everyone else is mountain of HP protected by Amagi

so your belfast eats shit and then Jesus tanks until she sinks

[ionic magnet]

jesus can be placed in any position. you adjust her gears instead to correct the timings

[finite valve]

funny thing is most hiryuu comp i fight against jesus manage to live till both nagato and amagi die

LMFAO

[coral wren]

maybe they using too tanky stuff?

I use boiler and anti torp

[odd schooner]

More or less

Since mid juneau targets fast vg killing fleets

[finite valve]

that was what happen when i fight against you lol

nagato die on 1 air strike

jesus live till both amagi and nagato die

[odd schooner]

How many tries

[finite valve]

win on 1 tries

[odd schooner]

No i mean

Juneau dying last

What's the vg used

[finite valve]

i don't do data gathering so no 10 tries

[coral wren]

maybe shes too tanky with oath

[finite valve]

sirius jesus ykk

[odd schooner]

Yeah, that won't really dent the vg so main fleet will eat more dmg

[coral wren]

ipad fell on keyboard lul

[finite valve]

using torp fleet in today meta

yeh right

[odd schooner]

Well that's the majority

Positioning will change once everyone goes turtle

[finite valve]

sadly i am not stupid

just mostly jesus and ykk position

since 3 slot is just flex

[odd schooner]

You can't really hard wall ppl who cares in positioning tbh

[finite valve]

since when does def ever matter in pvp lel?

[odd schooner]

See that post

[coral wren]

maybe it matters when u have subpar gear or ships

[finite valve]

[coral wren]

shouldnt matter to someone with equal good gear

[finite valve]

imo def is just a means to wall noob

[coral wren]

kinda yea

[odd schooner]

Or stall the top 2

[finite valve]

hardcore and vet pvper ain't going to care

[odd schooner]

We ain't hardcore then

[finite valve]

if you want to be hardcore then wait till tech point + manual pvp

since tech point is going to be the deciding factor

[coral wren]

manual pvp

[modern tree]

spoiler, tech points are not working in pvp

[finite valve]

oh rip then lel

[modern tree]

the only thing that matters for pvp in PR2 is how swole the ships are

and equipment I suppose

[finite valve]

truth be told manual pvp is just a joke if you done it on mirror sea pvp

just pull your VG back so the enemies eat BB shell

LMFAO

[coral wren]

PR2 pls we are just barely getting PR1

lets calm down

[finite valve]

dk how good is that BB gun

50 mother fucking bp

[modern tree]

lets get both, make people freak out

[finite valve]

jesus christ

[coral wren]

I would just skip pr1

[odd schooner]

But roon

[coral wren]

fk roon

she useless in pvp

[modern tree]

Roon skipping pr1 lel

[finite valve]

hey fuck you mate she my waifu

[odd schooner]

[finite valve]

waifu > pvp

[coral wren]

Roon is waifu sure but she is not as useful as a ship

[finite valve]

waifu > stat any day of the week

lel

[modern tree]

I am still getting Monarch and Nep because someone has to convince this chat that HMS is fucking busted

[coral wren]

I want FDG

[finite valve]

not until WS kai and bunnies kai come around

[coral wren]

She is so pretty

I swear I am gonna rename all my ships to Friedrich der Grosse

Why are KMS ships all so pretty

<.<

[finite valve]

cus they touch your inner weeb that's why

[coral wren]

espcially her skills names

daamn its beautiful

and she guzzles oil

so hot

[finite valve]

the farm tho

3 exact BB with a faction with that same amount of BB BC

LMFAO

[coral wren]

xD

[finite valve]

if we get PR 2 before a rerun ppl going to riot

[coral wren]

I will sink their HQ

I will carry a damn 610mm torp into their building

[buoyant parrot]

I was laughing so hard for the guys asking how to beat Namaryuu 😂

though at the same time I feel bad for him

just visit here

will help him/her

[modern tree]

I want them to release bth pr waves at the same time

[coral wren]

LOL

u just wanna see the world burn

dont u

[finite valve]

they can't

cus you need tech point for PR 2

[coral wren]

and realease ws kai

[modern tree]

and also, why would they pull back the release date if they were not planning t do that? What the fuck can be unstable about pr 1 that was on the server for months

[coral wren]

and sandy kai at same time

[finite valve]

and if they do that they need to introduce 120 + w12

too big of a patch

[coral wren]

and w13

along with w12

and they go fk it lets put iris in too

just buy expand tools to increase hours per day to 48 np

[finite valve]

yeh

as much as i love both PR

i don't think they can't

too big of a patch

[coral wren]

1 week in between

[modern tree]

size don matter for software, homie

[coral wren]

my pigeon can only carry 100mb at a time

[finite valve]

just take a look at how much bug per update and you know

i am ain't going to put my hope up that they ain't going to fuck up a bigger patch

[coral wren]

I mean if they gonna fk up per patch isnt it better to put everything in at once and have all the bugs at once

[modern tree]

okay but them fucking it up doesnt mean they cant do it

[coral wren]

holy shit.. can the engliosh community fb group accept me.

its been like 2 hour

did I write wrong somewhere

[finite valve]

implying mod / admin on any community page don't have a life

just wait lel

[coral wren]

they are like 10 ppl

oh wait whats the time in asia

ahh its like 2am there

probly sleeping xD

they all have weeb pfp. so I auto assume they are from asia

:l

[finite valve]

[slender bramble]

Just start your own FB community page, since people have difficulty beating your fleet 😄

[coral wren]

lol

I tried to join that fking group like couple months ago

:C

[buoyant parrot]

😂

don't wanna affiliate my self to any group... this peasants I like discord

goood good let them be... more food for us here

[modern tree]

cant wait for someone to suggest Illustrious as a counter

[buoyant parrot]

[coral wren]

fkk I am missing out so much stuff on fb :c

I want shells

is black shell better?

ohh

white have

acc

[modern tree]

whole 15

[coral wren]

yeah but also 25% more dmg

I guess that outweights the 8% chance?

I see

[buoyant parrot]

White shells please

[empty sinew]

@blazing scroll I found you, it's a frickin miracle in Sandy

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

I got a trial defense up now

Not my usual

[empty sinew]

no wonder that's a weak ass vanguard

[blazing scroll]

I want to try namagi + hyuuga

So far it does decent

[empty sinew]

on offense? naisu

[blazing scroll]

It's hard to test my own defense

[empty sinew]

ngl my NamagiH is 5-0 against ur fleet so far tho, but that's probably just cuz my vanguard's geared

[blazing scroll]

Yeah I am still lacking some lvls and aff

And I noticed I had bel in there without aux

[empty sinew]

no wonder she's hella squishy

[elder crane]

Tested against a near-max NamagiHyuuga with NamagiHiryuu a few days ago
Went 4/5, with 3 clear victories and 1 narrow defeat

Main fleet just lost trades

Hard to say, probably?
Hyuuga buff probably helped somewhat too

There ended up being just too large of a HP deficit for Hiryuu to make up for

I think Amagi doing very little dmg to opposite ship in barrage is when Vanguard intercepts the straight shots (half of the BB shots in barrage) and the arcing ones get poor RNG and miss
Not sure on if arcing shots sometimes target anything other than opposite ship if she's alive, will be watching that closely for a while

I think I might have vids on it, will check (for the earlier matchup)

[empty sinew]

from my experience tho, Amagi's arcing shot tends to target the opponents flagship

[elder crane]

It at least sometimes targets opposite ship when Amagi isn't flag, I think

Never really looked that closely, never noticed anything weird either though

Aside from sometimes really low barrage damage on opposite ship

[modern tree]

I did testing as soon as I had the barrage maxed, being off t the side sometimes targets VG with the plunging projectiles

[empty sinew]

mine being on the top slot, 75% of my games' mvp now goes to her due to her arc shots hitting either opp's flag or their vanguards

[modern tree]

that are majority f Amagi's damage with the barrage

[elder crane]

plunging are 2/5 or so, 2/5 more from straight, and 1/5 between the DD spray and Torps iirc

[modern tree]

well, at least now we know that we are getting loli Zepp soon

[elder crane]

Eyy finally a proper full KMS fleet
"proper" in that no non-KMS

why tf do I not have access to my own video

[trim horizon]

I wonder what her skills are

[elder crane]

Ugh, Chome bug

[empty sinew]

It'd be sick if she also gave a faction wide buff

[elder crane]

FdG's line when sortieing with Tirpitz is kinda funny

[empty sinew]

still need a USS loli so that is possible

[elder crane]

Ok, was facing "sky asunder"

[empty sinew]

[blazing scroll]

Use eldridge

[elder crane]

Lol an amazingly low barrage game
Let me count

Of 8 potential activations of barrages for both Nagato and Amagi that game across both teams,
Amagi activated 4 times total, Nagato 0
I just got outtraded (poor positioning though, had Amagi opposite Hyuuga, should've had her opposite Amagi)

Yeah, Amagi targets flagship instead of opposite sometimes

Good to know

That explains why she sometimes does nothing to opposite ship

Arcing shots target flag, straight get eaten by Vanguard, and no hits on opposite

Oh, it's different from what I remembered
1 loss then 7 facerolls

loss with bad positioning too

Guy's running a torpVG though, and missing a few levels on Nagato and Hyuuga

Oh nice, Zeppy, I like it
Short and snappy

Might as well post results of the other vid from that day
def: Deadrel SoDak/Wash/Amagi/Jun/Ykkz/Bel (14140/13505)
off: Nagato/Hiryuu/Amagi/Bel/Jun/Ykkz (13256/12853)
(155 on Nag, 127 on Amagi, Ryuuseis)
(wait a sec, is that a oxytorp setup? O.o)
Win, solidly, just outtraded
Win, overwhelming, outtraded
Win, overwhelming, outtraded
Win, overwhelming, outtraded
Win, overwhelming, outtraded
Won vanguard fight every match

[blazing scroll]

Don't forget to do your attacks

[elder crane]

Yo I have a Namagi E in my queue
And Nagato's not flag
What is this monstrosity

[blazing scroll]

Found a Namaryuu

Sadly it's underleveled

It's not yours xD

I must say that the melee artillery of hyuuga can do crazy dmg

[modern tree]

I cant find a real fleet, I just blew all my refreshes

[blazing scroll]

I've given up on finding good defenses

I just see whatever comes across

[trim horizon]

[elder crane]

Yeah, it's what I do

If there's a good def when I don't want to yet do matches I test

[real notch]

I peep @analog hare in my list

@elder crane ah ive tested against deadrel before

And yea that looks like 2x oxytorp

[elder crane]

No wonder I won Vanguard fight every time

[versed atlas]

how can i coax the game to give me more gold SGs

[elder crane]

Have enough of them

then you'll get even more for sure

I've like 6 extras

[versed atlas]

ah i dont have enough general plates anyway

dang

but i'd still like some extra gold SGs i guess

[modern tree]

SGs drop from any box, you can get BPs from farming Lulu so its neat

also, there is A CHANCE that we will get shells in a week

[versed atlas]

lulu?

[modern tree]

cuz other servers got theirs with current event

[elder crane]

Honolulu

[versed atlas]

wait

isn't 10-2 that super SUUUUUUUUUUUUPER annoying boss fight

with that line of ships

oh

[analog hare]

I do 10 fight straight at 12:00 reset
wait a few hours if you found me in your list

I may move

[versed atlas]

10-4 was annoying

i needed lusty to be able to auto the boss fight

and still get S

who pves manually

jesus

aint nobody got time for that

[elder crane]

w 110 and danger level now it's pretty easy

[versed atlas]

yeah, without danger it would require manual i guess

[elder crane]

100 no danger level was inconsistent auto

[modern tree]

you'd rather level illustrious than turn off auto for half a second so the aimed wave of torps doesnt hit you he he he

[versed atlas]

yes

because i didn't grind jintsuu for a second

i spent tens of thousands of oil on that node

[elder crane]

Took me somewhere around 25
I manualed it, before danger level released

[versed atlas]

also yeah with level 110 w10 grind is easy

[modern tree]

I grinded and got her before danger level, around 270 oil per run, all I had to do is keep en eye on the bossfight on my other screen so the 2 ship vg doesnt run into the torps

[versed atlas]

not sure if you even need lusty now

yeah but that means constant paying attention

how much do the shells cost

and does that mean i should save my core data?

[elder crane]

800 each

you can get 1 each of the white and black per shop reset

you don't need to save, if you don't buy anything else from shop

proto 203 is not all that important anyways

PR is close, better to wait for those guns now imo

I got one of those really early on, so got some good use out of it 1st (plus PR wasn't scheduled then)

[modern tree]

I like my proto but I am not sure if it does much of anything over Mounted

finally got Nagato and Juneau to 200

dont believe Zacks lies

[coral wren]

Monarch dosnt realyl fit in with the IJN fleets right

So would SAint Louis be a better pick

or Neptune?

Whats

sanrui

oh ok

yeah I wanna get her too.

hmm whats neptune good at

why is she in CNs pvp meta

right now

oh

[modern tree]

I thought of something

and without asking anyone, I have done it

so if you are curious, go to our little pvp tier list, click on the name for HMS fleet with Warspite and tell me how you like it

sorta wish I could tag all people that are working on it currently without reking this chat

[elder crane]

Seems good to me?

[modern tree]

Yeah, just thougt would make it a to-the-point loudout for lazy people

obviously for the more popular fleets you guys would need to agree what is best to recommend to people, but none of you know shit about HMS so I figured I would pitch the idea like that

[elder crane]

Yo is sendai not in the shiplist?

....How was that missed

Hey why is Sendai's background blue

She retros to purple

[real notch]

ok thanks neko ping me when you finish your fights @analog hare

[modern tree]

hey req, pls voice your opinion, since you started with this

[real notch]

@solid phoenix @balmy torrent thanks for the reset data, i've updated the doc

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit

sure what's the discussion about right now

[elder crane]

Erm, help on Sendai synergy please
How to summarize better?

there's 3 types: Torps, Foxes, Fast-Firing BBs

Should I list 3, or maybe pick 1? Which one?

[modern tree]

I have embeded a link into the nickname of one of the HMS comps, it leads to this https://i.imgur.com/FuMR8Wt.jpg cuz I thought that making a really to the point visual guide for comps could be cool for people that dont want to dig through the entire guide looking for shit

[real notch]

TLDR sendai synergizes very consistently (80-90% accuracy) with fox strike, consistently with Nagato (70-80%) provided she procs, and not consistently with Amagi (40-50%) provided you time her barrage

and i've done this test extensively, considering i maxed sendai in like 4 days from release

[lament lichen]

Hms neptune is in cn meta due to the eHP she can potentialy get

[real notch]

sendai is an exclusively nakaga VG

and yea i agree @modern tree

i can help with that

[hot creek]

junueau/aurora/sendai was the only VG I had decent results with when using nakaga against namagi. everything else got rekt.

[real notch]

if people agree with my namaryuu i can link my build to the namaryuu list

[modern tree]

It's just a pitch. I can take care of HMS because there is about ONE comp that works for that. I imagine more popular comps will require a debate to settle what is best to recommend straight up for those

[hot creek]

but now that my nagato skills are max maybe ill try other stuff again.

[real notch]

yep exactly

so that's why it might be dicey to just link 1 screenshot

besides, we have gear recommendations in the Equipment tab

have you taken a look at the HMS gearing in that tab yet?

[modern tree]

Yeah, I have been modyfying it and adding ships

[hot creek]

are you gonna add Ark and Vicctorious

[real notch]

hmm

i just noticed

the AA option for all ships are twin 113mm

wtf

you know what, on that let me give a recommendation

we should follow aristya's guide on this one,

and give people a variety of options for BiS AA gear

since AA is a team effort and not individual-based

@zenith tundra what do you think

[elder crane]

It makes more sense to have AA as a separate page imo

And go into detail on how to set up fleet AA there

[modern tree]

yeah, but then you are adding another tab to dig through and this shit is already starting to look intimidating as fuck

[elder crane]

Cause some ships use different AA in different setups

[real notch]

tfw i am aristya fangirling

[elder crane]

I mean, we could just rec 113 most of the time

except for ships that never use 113

[real notch]

yea, i think in-depth AA discussion can go on for paragraphs

for the purpose of an effective guide, we should limit the detail

[elder crane]

Well, for an easy rule of thumb, 2 sentences:

half/half bofors/113 and 113 on higher AA ships

For a general-purp setup, sure looks fine
I'd personally rec 100 mm on ykkz in general though

[real notch]

horrible but 8 ME-155 level of horrible?

LMAO

[blazing scroll]

Hyuuga stronk

[real notch]

but yea as a general rule, twin 113mm on high AA ships

bofors on low AA ships

but then you take into consideration efficiency %, reload

[elder crane]

Reload stat not actually a big deal for where you place AA guns of a particular setup

It's super minimal

[real notch]

and overall AA range, RoF

we have to explain that you need around 30 range

and 1.4-1.5 RoF

group AA

to shoot twice

[elder crane]

More

[zenith tundra]

im really bad at aa but wouldnt include for now gubs bot in the game

[elder crane]

28 bofors 35 113 for range

averages to 31.5 for exactly 50/50

[real notch]

also that shooting twice is more important than having a high AA dmg denominator

since the dmg formula RNG rolls the dmg anyways

from what ? like 5% --> 100%?

huge variance in dmg anyways

[coral wren]

is 127mm better than belgun?

[elder crane]

But optimizing AA gun placement for best reload time has such a minimal effect that you're better off doing damage

[coral wren]

for Backline?

[real notch]

well like... for example

we talked before but take eldridge as an example

[coral wren]

cool. I will switch to 127mm then

[real notch]

highest RoF in the game and 130% AA efficiency

[elder crane]

it's like 2% difference at best iirc, more like 1% usually

[real notch]

the dmg loss from twin 113mm --> bofors is like

5% only

[elder crane]

Yep, it's only ~5% but reload optimization gives even less than that

[real notch]

or like laffey, with RoF buffs

yea that too

[elder crane]

Laffey is the only exception but that's Laffey

[modern tree]

here we go again

[real notch]

you have to optimize your AA for 3 ships alive

assuming VG is dead

it gets complicated

[elder crane]

Yeah, 50/50 and then tiebreaker just w/e

For a rule of thumb

[real notch]

and yea i thought about it, having more twin 113mms on the backline probably makes a stronger alpha shot

since you can't be expected to fire twice

when the AA circle is halved for backline ships

[elder crane]

And 113 gives best coverage

[real notch]

that makes the job easy for wasd fleets since they have such high AA

[elder crane]

both in preventing planes flying around AA and flying past AA

[real notch]

but nagamon and amagi have like

abysmal AA

150-200

not sure if worth to slap twin 113mms on their peashooters

you know what

i am ok with an AA tab but

that's because i like discussing AA minmaxing

[blazing scroll]

What are they doing on sandy, I am already at rank 75

[elder crane]

Honestly, 2 sentences, then a link to the AA page, which we place at end

[real notch]

not sure if it will actually be useful or if others would give a shit lol

[blazing scroll]

Normally I would be at 200~150

[elder crane]

Yeah, this season more slippage than usual it feels like

It is University Exam season, I suppose?

[blazing scroll]

I am having fun with Hyuuga

[zenith tundra]

isnt aa min-max a fleet thing? u would need a section for it because ships can be used in multiple setups

[elder crane]

I missed my 4 matches somewhat due to that

[grave gale]

I use bofor on belfast, nagato and amagi. 113 on yukikaze and aurora

[elder crane]

Yeah, that's the problem

[real notch]

yup, we were talking about it early u can scroll up

[blazing scroll]

I got exams too, that's why I missed 3 attacks

[real notch]

i think in our chat just now we kinda covered pretty much all AA basics

[elder crane]

e.g. Jint/Sendai is often highest AA in Nakaga/Amkaga but lowest AA in WaSD

[real notch]

if someone can compile everything we said it could turn into the new AA page

or we can just leave it to blue

blue big AA smart

[elder crane]

If we want a casual summary:
Half of your ships should run Bofors, half should run 113, tied slot run whatever.
If want to further optimize a bit, 113 on higher AA ships, Bofors on lower.

I'll first check what I remember about optimizing setup placement for reload (aka "effect so small not worth it")

[real notch]

yea agreed

tbh i'd like to help too but i can't imagine how to organize it into an easy to read format... AKA my contribution would just be a big wall of text

maybe i can just add that into FAQ

do you wanna do that instead? add AA summary into FAQ @elder crane

[elder crane]

Yeah, for example, let us take following scenario
One ship has 150 reload stat, one has 250 reload stat, which is huge, for the range of reload amongst ships in a PvP team.
You run a 113 and a Bofors.
What's the % difference in reload time for the two possible combinations?
Turns out, it's 1.65%
Yeah.... minimal

Sure, into FAQ section? I'll take a look.

I'll start with writing a short blurb about AA in FAQ, I need to go do other stuff afterwards for a while

[real notch]

ok

just some topics to go over for your convenience...
aa team effort not individual
half bofor / half twin 113mm, other AA guns are not optimal
high AA ships --> twin 113mm, low AA ships --> bofors
efficiency %, reload stat and the role they play
overall RoF, range (1.4-1.5, 30)
AA consideration for when VG is dead

and maybe recommend an AA calculator? i know dunk has one that is available

[elder crane]

Feel free to work on answering it simultaneously
I gtg soon-ish, will come back in a H or two after leaving, probably

Okay, have an outline up
Gtg, feel free to fill in whatever pts you're comfortable with doing, or adding stuff

And also to move to separate page etc. if we think that's best

[modern tree]

is this any good? seems very low

[real notch]

ok

uhh that backline just looks not 200 aff

maxed namaryuu is 13401 with badge

that VG looks like 0 oxytorp VG

which is perfectly viable

[modern tree]

right, okay, time to make HMS t0

[real notch]

lol

[modern tree]

shit

killed him on the second game

man

won both but I will never fucking see a fleet like this again

I was buffering the plane damage and I missed a barrage

oh well, at least I know that just shooting Amagi works

will probably lose every game where Nagato wipes my VG with barrage tho

[zenith tundra]

nagato doesnt usually wipe vg because she misses quite a bit. even more without 2 hit aux

[modern tree]

I mean, yeah, but I sort of need my VG to live or I just lose to Hiryuu

cuz HMS brand shit AA

and shooting Amagi means I will trigger Hiryuu late

[coral wren]

WOHO

[modern tree]

but I cant afford sinking Hood damage into the rabbit

[coral wren]

I finally got approved into communist azur lane group

[vague token]

o.O

[modern tree]

maybe I should just shoot Nagato

but this is also why Monarch Hood will probably break this lineup, I will be able to shit on Amagi with Monarch that will just get more powerful from taning her barrages, and Hood will be able to shoot whoever

[coral wren]

why are ppl in FB comments saying amagi should use 406

in nagamryuu

I feel most of them are braindmged

oh boy full ijn vg

the comments are quite harsh. alot of name calling

yikes

wot

its in the

english community

group

on fb

I can ss some

[zenith tundra]

bad comments about what?

it wont ever apply tbh

amagi barrage can hit everywhere

why even need to run shells when u can just use her barrage and stack evasion?

im gonna to use 1 white on amagi for extra fp

[elder crane]

Stacking Shells gives more damage output, to the tune of more %dmg than SG radar gives %eHP, relative
And SG radar gives more %dmg than %eHP you lose with PR rudder

[zenith tundra]

with 2 white shells i doubt it

[elder crane]

Lost eHP% with shells is about even with %dmg gained on vanguard (possibly more eHP loss) but does pretty significantly more vs main
At least if I remember my calculations properly

[zenith tundra]

dont worry im gonna stack evasion when everyone goes shells and see if thay can even hit

[elder crane]

I did the calc yesterday and 1 white shell > 1 SG radar in expected damage if currently running 2SG or SG+HFCR, slightly vs van and very much so vs main if I did it correctly

[zenith tundra]

more then 1 shell shouldn't be worth it tho

like using black shell or a 2nd white

[elder crane]

Yeah, the trade-off gives diminishing returns, 2 shells on average loses damage vs Vanguard and about is even for damage on main with 1 shell and 1 +Hit

With the eHP loss, it's not worth
It's because Hit stat is more valuable the less you have of it, and the more Eva your target has

Also, formulae for the AA section in guide.
Thoughts on how to handle that?

[zenith tundra]

i have bo clue tbh

[elder crane]

Oh and for Actual gun range vs displayed, from Doublemint's and in turn from JP:

Relevant for BB/BC secondaries mainly

[ionic magnet]

sounds about right

cos it always felt like belgun has longer range than 127

why are those displayed ranges ingame wrong in the first place

[zenith tundra]

for fun i guess. so people can spend time figuring out the true range

[trim horizon]

managed to get 3 +1

[shell heron]

season must be real slow if getting more than a single +1 is difficult

[finite valve]

well either due to event or just more lurker

[odd schooner]

Almost missed 5 matches

[elder crane]

Oh, and a disclaimer as well:
Those values are the targeting range
Guns also have a separate projectile range

Which is really fing silly

[odd schooner]

Also fought Oyashiro's WasdE
2 minutes wherein his mainfleet died in the first minute but got heavy stalled by his Eldridge

[elder crane]

You can see it if you keep in corner of torpedo daily, some vanguard ships will keep shooting at the torpedo ships but never hit them, since the projectile fizzles out first

[odd schooner]

@coral wren oh you got in

Yeah i didn't mention most of the harsh comments

And the bad recommendations

[elder crane]

yo dawg I heard you like hidden stats
so I put hidden stats on top of your hidden stats
so you can guess values as you guess values

[finite valve]

sound like carrier planes to me lel

[odd schooner]

Even AA guns has internal cooldown on top of the reload speed

[finite valve]

we don't talk about AA here

[odd schooner]

[finite valve]

i mean unless you like math

and tbh who fucking like math?

unless you are a dege

[elder crane]

normal AA guns are much better than plane AA guns

plane AA guns are fully

Nobody understands their formulas

[odd schooner]

OKAY WE'RE GETTING ZEPPY!?

Nani

[elder crane]

I hope we don't get two cons events side-by-side...

with Zeppy and KizAI collab

[cerulean estuary]

loli enterprise or
loli mikasa

when?

[elder crane]

Loli Ark

[trim horizon]

we're getting a mascotte for each faction

[odd schooner]

Maybe next year we'll have kid's day like GFL had

[hazy rain]

[hot creek]

oh my fucking god. I almost lost a charge by three seconds

also i almost lost that fucking match too

if it wasn't for nagato reload buff barely making my planes go faster

[zenith tundra]

what are u using?

[hot creek]

nakaga

[zenith tundra]

♿

[hot creek]

nakaga is just so underwhelming tbh

can still lose to amakaga

[zenith tundra]

is ur nagato maxed?

[elder crane]

Wait seriously

[hot creek]

yes. maxed in every way possible

[elder crane]

If it loses vs Amkaga that's a disgrace

[zenith tundra]

🇫 for nakaga

[elder crane]

Time to adjust our tierings?

[zenith tundra]

what vg were u using?

[hot creek]

junuea/aurora/sendai

[hazy rain]

Amagi 10% EVARATE buff can be like between 10%-20% more tankiness

[shell heron]

My Nagato isn't 110 yet so I can't test it. But that 70% barrage proc on Amagi is so nice compared to the 40%

[elder crane]

It's more like ~15% at best
Larger buff on CV tankiness, %-wise (since higher base Eva), but CVs less tanky to begin with

[hot creek]

that last match came down to my foxes at like 5% health each vs enemy foxes same health, nagato sunk

[hazy rain]

some people put evasion gear on their main fleet

[zenith tundra]

looks like a fox mirror already

[hazy rain]

so it can be 20%+

[elder crane]

at 20% 10% more is, what, 12% more eHP?

14%

[hazy rain]

I talked it in terms of eHP

as in, going from 12.5k to 15.85k

[elder crane]

You mean total between both eva equip and amagi buff

[hazy rain]

between BB with eva equip, no buff

vs BB with eva equip, Amagi buff

[elder crane]

.... that's not how it works

[hazy rain]

it looks weird yes

but it's because it's evasion rate, not evasion

it's additive to their existing evation

[elder crane]

going from 30% eva rate to, say, 40% is only a 17% eHP buff

Not 20%

And you'd be hard pressed to get that much Eva rate on a BB vs other BBs
Do you mean vs CV bombs/torps (and not suicide, which bypasses Eva)?

Vanguard Hit is also too high to get that sort of Eva rate on a BB

[hazy rain]

assuming enemy Nogato with double gold SG radar

[elder crane]

And that's 16.6% more eHP with Rudder and Badge
Which is pretty much what I quoted
with no Rudder, it's 15.3%

[hazy rain]

the numbers get wilder the less hit/luck the enemy has

I wish HIT and LUCK were visible

[elder crane]

Luck will be visible soon^(tm)

CNJP has it visible already

[trim horizon]

1555 9/10

[elder crane]

Huh, doing AA analysis more carefully is correcting some of my misanalyses

[coral wren]

Opinions on using Sirius with Akagato for PvP until Jintsuu can be acquired and trained?

[hybrid tendon]

amagi feels better

coz shes faster than nagagato

[coral wren]

She's also not a ship I have.

[ionic magnet]

yes sirius is good with foxes just add aurora/sendai as 2nd ship and then ykkz/jun/bel as 3rd and youre good to go

[shy hazel]

scratch sendai

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

only aurora is good with sirius

[ionic magnet]

depends if he has an extra ijn

[coral wren]

I was thinking Yuki and Aya since they'll work best with Jintsuu when I get her. Plus I don't have Aurora.

[shy hazel]

no choice but to sendai then

you need a ship that can slap alot of -eva

to enemy vg

[ionic magnet]

rip do you have sendai atleast ?

[coral wren]

Sendai can't be acquired until after Jintsuu can.

[shy hazel]

makes sense

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

[elder crane]

Maybe Sirius Yuki Juneau?
Sirus Yuki Aya might just be your best option though and rely on that torpRNG

Oh, Nakaga, not Amkaga

[charred sable]

@hazy rain which item is Imp Rudder?

[hazy rain]

PR washing machine

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Improved_Hydraulic_Rudder

[elder crane]

PR equipment, not in EN yet

[vague token]

washing machine

cant wait to stack that on my CAs

[charred sable]

hmm, which to put beaver badge on - Hiryuu, Nagato or Amagi

[elder crane]

I vote Hiryuu
Gets the best-% eHP for damage trade, shores up the lowest eHP ship
Or Nagato, cause her dmg is somewhat inconsistent and she takes the most heat as flag

[empty sinew]

mine's on nagato cuz coupled with her luck, she can dodge quite well with that extra evasion

[cursive canopy]

what is the best aux for Nagato for pvp? autoloader or FCR or something else?

[coral wren]

Rainbow torpedo.

[hazy rain]

autoloader very bad

[shell heron]

I'd run SG/Beaver + HSFCR

[cursive canopy]

autoloader bad for pvp or pvp and pve? i use autoloader a lot in pve

[hazy rain]

ok serious answer

pve mobs have no luck and very bad accuracy

autoloader can be good on low worlds

[cursive canopy]

what's HSFCR?

[shell heron]

the gold FCR

[hazy rain]

on PvP tho, ships have high luck and accuracy

[cursive canopy]

oh i give that to hood

[hazy rain]

and some evasion ofc

so stacking accuracy and evasion can give great results

[trail elm]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/High_Performance_Fire_Control_Radar

[hazy rain]

personally I try to stick as many gold SG radars on my BB/BC as possible

[shell heron]

But, the math for auto loaders come out to be that you might not even get a 3rd shot out with autoloaders. Especially if it ends fast

[cursive canopy]

wait so what are good aux for BB in higher world? i've been using autoloader on pretty much everyone

[hazy rain]

gold SG things

[cursive canopy]

and?

[hazy rain]

because higher world mobs have bigger evasion so the math favours hit

[trail elm]

purple fire control radar until we get the shell aux

[shell heron]

[hazy rain]

the other thing that gives hit and firepower
yeah purple fire control radar

[cursive canopy]

ok so autoloader is bad in high world

good thing i never invest them to +10

[shell heron]

I heard of them being used to control timings for ships like Duke of York, but they're pretty bad in general

[hazy rain]

I mean, my farm consists mostly of event maps so I use autoloaders most of the time

also I've read that autoloaders are not that bad on gun CAs, and that Roon actually makes good use of them if you want to go full-damage Roon

[trail elm]

when it comes to defense fleet vanguards, how high are torp-specialist rated here? i mean, they have an advantage in that if their torpedoes miss my vanguard, my backline is so near anyway the torpedoes can just hit them instead. that's two layers of rng i have to overcome.

[hazy rain]

I like torp memes and imo they are the ones most likely to force a reset against the best-geared meta teams
(very hard to compete against 20% damage buff, but the RNG ceiling can sometimes shine imo)

[vague token]

once 120 hits they wont spike the big hp of saint louis and backlines

cause torp scales slower per level than hp/evade

[cursive canopy]

i use torp memes because i love it when ayanami hits hard with double type 93

[vague token]

but it can force resets at 110

once 120 and dev 30 saint louis shows up

you can drop torp memes

[cursive canopy]

my ayaya has 5k power which none of my ship has ever reach

[vague token]

yeah most ships wont reach that without a big retro stat boost

xD

[shell heron]

Aya is fun but I don't use her in PvP. She's more of a big stat number to scare people

[cursive canopy]

when you do pvp offense, you can just resetting until aya hits a jackpot

[zenith tundra]

usually the higher the fleet power for vg the worse they perform especially over 13k

[cursive canopy]

idk how people have over 13k in both side

[zenith tundra]

13k main is oath based

[cursive canopy]

my akaga barely reach 4k

with all +10

[zenith tundra]

for vg just slap some oxy in

[cursive canopy]

currently on third oxy

those thing are hard to upgrade

[zenith tundra]

for bb comps u can reach 14k

[vague token]

or use a retro main fleet

dunno about 14k though

[trail elm]

if you just want to full on commit to higher power to bluff, run gold 410 confetti gun or gold quad

[vague token]

oh yeah retro hyuuga

xD

[zenith tundra]

my hyuuga is not oathed

[shell heron]

WASDA was able to hit 14k

[zenith tundra]

even with unoathed bb kaga

[vague token]

oh huh

[shell heron]

12779 on that vanguard. What's the aux on that ykk and juneau?

[trail elm]

that works right? putting the highest rarity gears (even when suboptimal) you can increases your total power?

[shell heron]

If you want higher numbers yes

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze using twin 100 and fe boiler. for juneau boiler bulge

actually u can have bb full gold bis

[shell heron]

that's it. the twin 100mm

[zenith tundra]

i put it for aa

[shell heron]

I see. Still using the 76 because her efficiency and FP is just as bad as Aya's

[zenith tundra]

76 is bis for her

[trail elm]

last question for now. anybody have that chart about DD gun dps comparisons? i want to see how close the purple single 127mm to the gold twin 100mm

[zenith tundra]

im testing with twin 100 for aa

the problem is that gun dmg is not good in pvp. for yukikaze all that matters is spam barrage for extra torp

if a ship has good barrage use twin 100 if not twin 127

there is a dps chart in the wiki page for dd guns

[shell heron]

That dps chart shows that the single 127 out dps the twin 100m

[trail elm]

i see. thanks. i just want to see between the single 127mm and the twin 100mm so i was wondering who has a chart. i'm not using either of the two in pvp.

i asked in #gameplay-help yesterday, nobody has one.

[shell heron]

Honestly, I don't see the single 127 recommended often. It's max reload cd is about the same as the 100mm and shoots HE rounds

Is it the spread in the way it fires is undesirable?

[vague token]

it shoots over time

very bad against movement

3 in sequence

the 100 is both up front

much easier to hit

[shell heron]

That's what I'm assuming. It's fire pattern is not very good

[steep fog]

whats the order for ykkz bel juneau

[zenith tundra]

i prefer juneau yukikaze belfast. some other ppl juneau belfast yukikaze

with my setup yukikaze tanks after juneau death but is safer from torp with the other belfast thanks after juneau but yukikaze can eat torp dmg

[odd schooner]

@lament lichen you're done with your attacks?

Also, big 7 clears bel junny ykkz front wtf

[lament lichen]

i still have 4 attacks

[odd schooner]

You're gonna use them on last 10 minutes?

[lament lichen]

yeah

[odd schooner]

I see

[lament lichen]

i have like 2 people on my list that could get me another +1 if they havent done their atks

[random vault]

naga big 7 is hella stronk

[hazy rain]

when you relog to stalk down +1s but forget to press auto-battle again

if Wichita wasn't there Laffey would prob have sunk xd

[blazing scroll]

30 mins till reset, don't forget your attacks

[buoyant parrot]

@lament lichen I fought your line up but im on a rush now xD

[shy hazel]

0 bonuses

imagine when i do sandbag guide and it spreads more

no one is sandbagging

[blazing scroll]

I has someone at rank 145 on my most left, refreshed, got somebody at rank 74 and attacked

Still got 10 points

[hazy rain]

I want to believe they are super-hardcore sandbagging and that is why they haven't moved yet uwu

[shy hazel]

youre in denial

[lament lichen]

@odd schooner done

[odd schooner]

Aight

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DiCju/6e1ffac4be.png

[hazy rain]

-40 from top score while holding my 5 charges, I think I'm good

[shy hazel]

[hazy rain]

missed -10 but ohh well

[shy hazel]

how is this possible

[hazy rain]

what?

I do think some of the peeps who like staying at the top do save one or two charges tho

[real notch]

wtf

blue with the extensive AA answer in FAQ

[vague token]

wat where

[modern tree]

You asked for it

[real notch]

i love it

the

the more daunting it is to read, the less likely people will call us out on it

[buoyant parrot]

where?

where's link/sauce

[blazing scroll]

It's in the FAQ of the tier list

[vague token]

hmm, i think im gonna move beaver to sara

and then put sirius back in

to make up for the lost aviation

a bit

[elder crane]

Heh, didn't even begin talking about AA baiting and what sort of plane distributions can be expected,
And how that affects AA effectiveness

Though I'm starting to think it is more important to optimize for reload on gun placement
I'll have to think about it and run some calcs

[random vault]

where do i find the faq? all i see are reset test comparisons

[elder crane]

There's a google sheets that's still WiP-ish

Different from the doc

[random vault]

O

where is that

[elder crane]

Wtf discord app being buggy
Search for links posted in PvP channel

I'd copy the link for you if app wasn't being buggy

[coral wren]

FINALLY got south dakota to 110

now just yukikaze and jesus left

[buoyant parrot]

I like the FAQ part

good good

[buoyant parrot]

Who ever made the Sirius Ship Analysis please put in your name there

[coral wren]

against akaga fleets, is norcal outdone by amagi?

[buoyant parrot]

I am also fixing Border and adjusting text row under Ship Analysis

[hot creek]

there is like, no reason to use Norcal ever. And especially not over Amagi