#pvp | Azur Lane Official | Page 254

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 5:05 AM

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those are my bonuses per resets thus season lol

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1 per reset

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smugBucky

coral wren Apr 21, 2019, 5:05 AM

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Does gear on Juneau matter?

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 5:05 AM

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uniFlex

zenith tundra Apr 21, 2019, 5:05 AM

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jintsuu/belfast are best choices rn for x

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jintsuu offense belfast defense

coral wren Apr 21, 2019, 5:06 AM

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Don't have jintsuu

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So I guess belfast

hot creek Apr 21, 2019, 5:07 AM

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wasn't vysagu tied with famine or kamita for awhile last season? what came of that?

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 5:08 AM

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famine was ahead by 1 point since i got a +9 at the end

zenith tundra Apr 21, 2019, 5:08 AM

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📎 1.jpg

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:08 AM

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o.o

hot creek Apr 21, 2019, 5:08 AM

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oohhh so close

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 5:08 AM

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kamita ran out of resets and got a +8 somewhere

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:08 AM

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oof

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 5:08 AM

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or 2 +9s

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since he had the same score going in the last round

hot creek Apr 21, 2019, 5:09 AM

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when did you push

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 5:09 AM

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i was the last one ot push

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like 7 mins left

zenith tundra Apr 21, 2019, 5:09 AM

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i might have been last one to end tho

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not like it matters

hot creek Apr 21, 2019, 5:11 AM

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it seems the matchmaking gods did not favor yall

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:11 AM

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lol

hazy rain Apr 21, 2019, 5:11 AM

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I think on washington everybody does their attempts as soon as they can

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I legit only get one +1 after every reset and maybe two if I'm lucky

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to never ever see one again

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:12 AM

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oof

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i got two +1s last reset

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sitting on a single match played this one

hazy rain Apr 21, 2019, 5:12 AM

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I think I was actually far ahead of everyone but I lost one attempt xd

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:12 AM

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but im avrora

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guy i have hasnt moved in 3 hours, or he already blew through them all

hazy rain Apr 21, 2019, 5:13 AM

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the only reason why I'm mad

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:13 AM

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cause i was traveling

hazy rain Apr 21, 2019, 5:13 AM

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is because I feel I'm just wasting time

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:13 AM

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so xD

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 5:13 AM

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most of them just do 10/10 on avora for rushers

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:14 AM

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i was doing better when we werent at the 10 point base X_x

zenith tundra Apr 21, 2019, 5:14 AM

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everyone does

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:15 AM

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shhhh

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 5:20 AM

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unicornFused

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this season is slow in general anyways

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event too op

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:21 AM

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true

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 5:22 AM

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i think itll be awhile till we have a nice season

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right after nagato got kizuna

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if kizuna got grind well

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less ppl who will do pvp

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same case with pr too maybe

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:23 AM

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true

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rip pvp

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 5:24 AM

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more like

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less fun pvp for sandbaggers

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smugBucky

hazy rain Apr 21, 2019, 5:24 AM

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actually I think

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rushers actually have a chance to get more +1s through sheer RNG

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when people don't randomly move

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 5:25 AM

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~~if everyone is sandbagging, no one is~~

odd schooner Apr 21, 2019, 6:18 AM

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Elon Musk thinkZed

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meager dawn Apr 21, 2019, 6:21 AM

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When did he start playing? entyLUL

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 6:22 AM

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when he got an anime icon for his twitter

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 6:37 AM

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👀

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thats sandy for u

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but its the same here

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 6:43 AM

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happening on avrora too

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yeah

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xD

hot creek Apr 21, 2019, 6:48 AM

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you guys just aren't sandbagging hard enough smugBucky

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 6:50 AM

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only 19 points behind rank 1 smugBucky

hot creek Apr 21, 2019, 6:59 AM

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im 20 points behind

hazy rain Apr 21, 2019, 6:59 AM

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I guess you don't even need to sandbag on washington GWmiyanoXDD

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and I lost one charge

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I guess nobody gives a damn

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and we just want bulis

coral wren Apr 21, 2019, 7:00 AM

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chill server

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 7:03 AM

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guess vy is rly hardcore sandbagger 👀

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rank 1 is far from me

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 7:05 AM

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im like 36 under rank 1 at 10/10

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no way i can reach that lol

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with these bonuses

hot creek Apr 21, 2019, 7:20 AM

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my leftmost 😠 https://puu.sh/DhIIX/ab575e0d4e.png

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 7:21 AM

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oof

buoyant parrot Apr 21, 2019, 7:53 AM

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If I rush my shit right now I can be no1 with 3/10

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 7:54 AM

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smugBucky

buoyant parrot Apr 21, 2019, 7:54 AM

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gotta sandbag moar~ 😂

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 7:54 AM

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be that guy who always wants rank 1 every reset

hazy rain Apr 21, 2019, 7:55 AM

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I like to remain on the darkness until the moment comes GWunuAkkoChamp

buoyant parrot Apr 21, 2019, 7:55 AM

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7 more days~ a lot could happen

hazy rain Apr 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I let you influtiate me to not give a single point if possible GWmiyanoXDD

buoyant parrot Apr 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

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7 more days of 50% chance of oversleeping

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

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50% chane

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make it 70%

buoyant parrot Apr 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

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ggAnimated

hot creek Apr 21, 2019, 7:56 AM

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8/10

trim horizon Apr 21, 2019, 8:02 AM

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monkaSuicide Im gonna sandbag harder

hot creek Apr 21, 2019, 8:04 AM

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on Sandy, you can lose one match and still place #1 at the end of the season. I've done that twice already.

trim horizon Apr 21, 2019, 8:05 AM

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I missed 2 tix, which one I attacked 8 sec before the reset but it consumed the attempt of that reset pepega

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1299 9/10

real notch Apr 21, 2019, 8:14 AM

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i see @lament lichen

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AwauuEyes

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if u r pushing soon lmk

ripe veldt Apr 21, 2019, 8:56 AM

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whats the point diff req for +1/+2 again

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 8:57 AM

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35

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70

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this late

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sometimes different

ripe veldt Apr 21, 2019, 8:58 AM

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hmm

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im +35 exactly to this guy i think

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warShrug well im at 6/10 anyways

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yeah +11, thanks

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 9:04 AM

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uniFlex

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are you from avrora

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 10:51 AM

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i find it really funny

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today is like

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i needed to reset twice

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nagato fired thrice amagi fired four times

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no barrage procced

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smugBucky

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tf is this

real notch Apr 21, 2019, 10:52 AM

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it's 4/20 boiii

coral wren Apr 21, 2019, 10:52 AM

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they r telling u to swap back to foxes

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smugBucky

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 10:52 AM

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uniYan

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i never needed to reset on nakaga indeed

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happened twice

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unicornFused

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so unlucky

coral wren Apr 21, 2019, 10:58 AM

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👏🏽

coral wren Apr 21, 2019, 11:18 AM

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how thje fk is it 4/20

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its 4/21 today

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 12:45 PM

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smugBucky

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did all rounds alrdy

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+1 only

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why am i so casual this pvp season

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uniYan

coral wren Apr 21, 2019, 12:48 PM

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same i gotta sleep soon

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+2 only

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today has been a shit day, not many people moved for me

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 12:49 PM

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i hate myself

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i just cant wait to spend rounds if no one moves for 2 hours

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lol

coral wren Apr 21, 2019, 12:51 PM

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oof

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pvp dying game lol

odd schooner Apr 21, 2019, 1:06 PM

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It is?

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laffeyDrink

modest elbow Apr 21, 2019, 1:09 PM

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laffeyDrink

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i lost a reset

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whole 5 more attempts gone

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 1:12 PM

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Lol everyone's missing ones it seems

odd schooner Apr 21, 2019, 1:13 PM

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I'm not missing one but i did get the worst start ever lmao

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 1:13 PM

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because thats how it is

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when rounds are so slow

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u keep delaying to do it

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so u miss rounds instead

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cos u forget to do it

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before u do something else

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like sleeping

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i just follow the casual hardcore rule

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1 round every hour

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with or without bonus

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uniYan

brittle hill Apr 21, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Should I be running double 381 core data gun on Nagato and Amagi?

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 1:15 PM

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Probably

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Some situational exceptions at least though, like 406 on Amagi to better kill Enterprise

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If that is at all even an issue

split socket Apr 21, 2019, 1:24 PM

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it's not emileSip

ionic magnet Apr 21, 2019, 1:29 PM

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being so behind is funny

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got +8 this reset entyLUL

shy hazel Apr 21, 2019, 1:29 PM

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being behind gives so much +

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uniFlex

ionic magnet Apr 21, 2019, 1:30 PM

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i remember to do my rounds 5 mins before reset

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missed another 3 charges

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laffeyDrink

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 1:57 PM

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I've clawed back missing 4 to be more like missing 2-3 now, with the extra +pts
Hopefully I can close gap even more

buoyant parrot Apr 21, 2019, 2:50 PM

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this season sims to be the hardest by far...

zenith tundra Apr 21, 2019, 2:51 PM

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why?

buoyant parrot Apr 21, 2019, 2:51 PM

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its so hard to sandbag

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its slowing down

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really very slow

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:12 PM

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Easter and event. I know I am slacking as fuck

thorny bramble Apr 21, 2019, 5:16 PM

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what would be good pvp setups after PR?

blazing scroll Apr 21, 2019, 5:17 PM

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Even after PR release PR ships won't be used yet

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Getting them up to strength will take quite some time

grave gale Apr 21, 2019, 5:25 PM

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By the time people have rank 30 prs we'll probably have Sandy's retrofit.

blazing scroll Apr 21, 2019, 5:28 PM

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sandyMeme

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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Louis in stall VGs is gonna be standard in like 4-5 months

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Monarch might show up in wasd or HMS

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PR wont change much else

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:29 PM

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no movement after i went to bed

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dear god

blazing scroll Apr 21, 2019, 5:30 PM

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The equipment is an entire different story tho

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:31 PM

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equipment is largely luck based and the on ly thing that will make a splash is the PR rudder

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:31 PM

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rudder is 40 evade lol

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plus the skill

zenith tundra Apr 21, 2019, 5:31 PM

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is mle actually good?

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:32 PM

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it's 4 base damage higher than 203 in the core shop

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and has a 1.3 coefficient

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but it's 3 shots

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instead of 2 x 2

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the spread is lower though

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and the range

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whatever that means

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xD

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:33 PM

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I am trying Portland atm and she's doing good damage, but only if I manage to break through vg relatively fast and she pops shots on the backline that doesnt move

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I am using the core shop 203

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if I dont break through VG she's not much better than Juneau

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cuz fucking guns cant hit shit

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and her barrage is weak

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:35 PM

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i mean, that's what happens when you have a tiny fp stat and 1.15 ratio and you cant aim CA guns

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plus CA barrages are uh, pretty bad for the most part?

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they're designed for pve clearing

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not for killing

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xD

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lots of them are like wide

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:36 PM

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the only good CA barrages are like Tacos and Mogami

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and the new titty CA that is all about Barrages and nothing else

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forgot the name

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:36 PM

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the new one or the Supercruiser

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:36 PM

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new one, the oni

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:36 PM

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oh

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forgot her name

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xD

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:37 PM

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Shizuya or something?

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Her name is hard

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:37 PM

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suzuya yeah

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on wiki at least

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but she does have a sword so she's ok

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only the finest of stacking pve skills though

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when you hit 8 times gain a buff lol

blazing scroll Apr 21, 2019, 5:38 PM

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You mean Azuma right?

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:38 PM

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no, she's the super cruiser pr

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suzuya is the new mogami class cruiser

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although suzuya doesnt take a retro to be a CA

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xD

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or does she?

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:41 PM

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Mikuma doesnt have retro right? Shes just forever bad CL with CA evasion

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:41 PM

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she does

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she gets carrier protection

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as her bonus skill

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someday

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warShrug

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:42 PM

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is that not in EN? I am not missing any retrofits ATM

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:42 PM

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or wait

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oh maybe not

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i thought she got that as her bonus

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maybe that's just baked in

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she's just awkward then

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mogami class is weird

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:42 PM

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so many ships missing retros

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:43 PM

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mogami, cl turns CA
Mikuma, just a CL
Suzuya, just a CA

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thinkpitz

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:45 PM

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missing 15 affinity on Nagato, I will never fucking forget who she is and where does she come from

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:45 PM

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lol

thorny bramble Apr 21, 2019, 5:49 PM

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@modern tree so would a standard stall team be like nagato amagi hiryuu sanrui yukikaze juneau?

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:50 PM

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I think the top dog stall VG will be like Juneau PRLouis and Ykkz/Sandykai depending on how meta shapes up

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backline is actually whatever

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余は長門…重桜の長門である

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:56 PM

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wat

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 5:57 PM

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you will understand one day

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 5:59 PM

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xD

ripe veldt Apr 21, 2019, 6:17 PM

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200 umarugasp

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 6:35 PM

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Just as a note, in case people don't know:
as per https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Combat#Fire_Damage
Fire damage scales with equiped main gun base damage AND weapon coefficient
This means that 410s have more fire damage than 406s (by a tiny amount), just like how they do more damage per shot (at fewer shots).

Azur Lane Wiki

Combat

Combat is a basic gameplay element of Azur Lane, and is required to complete a large number of objectives in the game. In combat, a fleet of the player's choosing is placed in an instanced, side-scrolling shooter, and must eliminate all spawned ships (including kamikaze ships...

ripe veldt Apr 21, 2019, 6:36 PM

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the worst feeling is refreshing and seeing the same guy on the left

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 6:38 PM

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sorry i cant hear you over sara saying her skill quote to burn everything xD

coral wren Apr 21, 2019, 6:49 PM

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2 more fking aff

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to 200 noggato

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 6:57 PM

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I've my NamagiH team, v1, just missing a few sklv on Nagato
otherwise fully maxed uniFlex

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Also, some interesting info on BB gun and Aviation Bomb "hard miss" rate
http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/命中与BB的不寻常关系
The methodology section is annoying to read with Google Translate, I haven't bothered
It seems pretty legit though. I'd still take results with a grain of salt.

%E5%91%BD%E4%B8%AD%E4%B8%8EBB%E7%9A%84%E4%B8%8D%E5%AF%BB%E5%B8%B8%...

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 7:18 PM

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wow, so the quad is even worse cause of hit rate

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is that what im reading

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why would they make the quads so bad

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lol

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 7:25 PM

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at least gold french quad is okay, maybe

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 7:32 PM

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maybe? xD

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oh they added the twin 457mm on the wiki

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207 base damage lol

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but it does give 65 fp xD

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 7:50 PM

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Apparently it's also SHS or something

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higher %armour mods than normal AP

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Oh damn there's a gold twin 406 HE now too for PR2

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Seems to be a faster-firing 410 purple at gold rarity, otherwise identical stats

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Looks like it will be the best DpS BBAP gun, the new rainbow 457
And if the armour mods are enhanced enough, possibly even more dmg per reload than the 410AP at faster reload

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:00 PM

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owo

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:02 PM

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The twin 406 gold also looks interesting, it might reach mk6 levels of DpS on main fleet after correcting for accuracy
Maybe mk6 is finally close to being outclassed?

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:03 PM

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i mean, wouldnt the triple 381 outclass the mk6?

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:03 PM

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Nope, it's worse, ish

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:04 PM

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it's not like a ton worse

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you trade out a bit of base damage for fp

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:04 PM

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<1 s reload shorter, but almost 10% less damage

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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depends on if you have a FP scaling barrage i guess

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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You only gain 20 fp
Maybe for Washington (timed barrages)

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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yeah

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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Cause it's too slow-firing for on-firing barrages

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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twin 406 is still most interesting

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just a gold upgrade of the purple one

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xD

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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triple 381 HE is PR1 btw

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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.5 seconds

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:05 PM

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It's been out for a while

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.5 s and +20 FP

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:06 PM

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oh, i thought that was the super cruiser gun

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dunno why i thought that

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lol

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:06 PM

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well, .6s and +20 FP

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:06 PM

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yeah but think of the fleet power

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cause it's gooooold

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xD

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sandyMeme

grave gale Apr 21, 2019, 8:07 PM

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https://i.redd.it/qoe785udtnt21.png what CN thinks of PR2.

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:07 PM

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Hmmm, EN wiki doesn't say anything about enhanced BBAP for 457

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Seems about right for PvE

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:08 PM

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that looks right

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:08 PM

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CN/JP wiki don't have the gun stats fully up yet, but a comment says,
"It seems to be 207 × 2, but the armor correction is better than a normal armor-piercing bullet, and it is actually about 230 to 240 × 2"

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:08 PM

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o.O

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maybe it also has a lower penalty on light

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:08 PM

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Sounds kinda like SHS actually

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:08 PM

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for just straight up op

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xD

lament lichen Apr 21, 2019, 8:10 PM

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Negative tiering

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I like

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:11 PM

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like if the 457 has 60% vs light like SHS

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wouldnt that be pretty solid?

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given its other stats?

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:13 PM

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It's gun spread is larger, so idk how much better gun-only wise it is vs 410AP
Much better for barrage BBs though ofc, with the reload and +FP

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:13 PM

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i mean, georgia at least reduces spread since that is her gun

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and i think warspite does with her kai skill

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so those 2 can fix dispersion

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at the very minimum

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warspite with 457 sounds like top meme

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yeah

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then just boost that crazy high base damage by the ws kai first shot skill xD

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 8:18 PM

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Using the %hardmiss from the CN wiki page I linked, the twin 406HE is the superior gun to the mk6 on DpS for ships that don't buff dispersion
A tiny bit lower gun DpS, but should be much higher fire DpS

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Assuming fires aren't overstacked ofc

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:24 PM

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it's pretty rough

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i went to sleep, woke up, no one moved xD

split socket Apr 21, 2019, 8:29 PM

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I feel like everyone is just being deadlocked waiting for someone to move on their list amagiKoff

real notch Apr 21, 2019, 8:29 PM

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relatable AquaSmug

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:30 PM

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i got a +1 from this reset though

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so that's ok

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dunno about the rest of it lol

wicked rivet Apr 21, 2019, 8:47 PM

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They tried

📎 Screenshot_20190421-164753_Azur_Lane.jpg

white granite Apr 21, 2019, 8:48 PM

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f for effort emileSip

vague token Apr 21, 2019, 8:50 PM

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lol

blazing scroll Apr 21, 2019, 9:08 PM

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Found an interesting comp to test against

📎 Screenshot_20190421-224706.png

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 9:10 PM

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106, how embarassing

blazing scroll Apr 21, 2019, 9:11 PM

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I was expecting more from this defense

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But my wasda crushes it

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 9:12 PM

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yeah, the VG folds over because super underleveled

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the only person on Sandy that I have seen with real fleet is deRickz

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aside for this chat's regulars if they arent fucking about I guess

blazing scroll Apr 21, 2019, 9:13 PM

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entyLUL

shell heron Apr 21, 2019, 9:13 PM

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warShrug

blazing scroll Apr 21, 2019, 9:13 PM

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It is hard to get a decent match

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But winning is fine I suppose warShrug

shell heron Apr 21, 2019, 9:53 PM

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Another slow reset. I see a fellow sandbagger on top of my list.

odd schooner Apr 21, 2019, 11:15 PM

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Better than nothing

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sandyparty

trim horizon Apr 21, 2019, 11:19 PM

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happythoughts

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 11:19 PM

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Oh boy!

📎 NoxPlayer_4_21_2019_7_19_26_PM.png

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Yeeeeep

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May the superior tech options win?

trim horizon Apr 21, 2019, 11:21 PM

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my state

📎 Screenshot_88.png

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 11:21 PM

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More like may the better coin flipper win, maybe

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 11:21 PM

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this might also be max affection on hiryuu, pretty good

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 11:21 PM

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I've maxed everything too

trim horizon Apr 21, 2019, 11:22 PM

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also Hiryuu is 17 affection away from getting 200

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 11:22 PM

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oh man defs engines

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Shit l lost the Nagato coinflip

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Ok, I think I won

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Hiryuu 2nd

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oh fuck I won

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shiiiiiit

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I swear that wasn't 15 seconds though

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I think I miscounted LeanderXD

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fml

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Everything else got wiped, so looks like it often comes down to Hiryuu on Hiryuu

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25% damage difference prolly means you're at a big advantage as offense, I was looking forwards to testing how barrage RNG affects this though

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that and I'm running tech option of Badge on Hiryuu

real notch Apr 21, 2019, 11:28 PM

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yea that jojo guy

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maxed namaryuu

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13401

ionic magnet Apr 21, 2019, 11:28 PM

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dem negative tier is a thing now

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entyLUL

zenith tundra Apr 21, 2019, 11:30 PM

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my namaryuu is 13416

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dunno why

odd schooner Apr 21, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Are you using badge

zenith tundra Apr 21, 2019, 11:30 PM

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ofc NO

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 11:30 PM

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I'm at 13386

odd schooner Apr 21, 2019, 11:30 PM

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Cause that's 15 points difference

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So ye

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Jojo is using badge

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 11:31 PM

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127s and Badge on Hiryuu

zenith tundra Apr 21, 2019, 11:31 PM

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oh that's why

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with beaver it's 13401

📎 BlueStacks_ScreenShot.jpg

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@real notch u wanted to be able to sort ships in the sheet? it's possible to get a format for that so i complete it for all the ships, because i really suck at stuff like sorting

elder crane Apr 21, 2019, 11:34 PM

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Ah, 30 power diff for badge over catas

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Good to know the numbers

real notch Apr 21, 2019, 11:40 PM

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yup

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badge on nagato

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that should be BiS no?

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nagato badge sg
amagi hfcr sg

modern tree Apr 21, 2019, 11:46 PM

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why play with hfcr on amagi if you have 4 weeb ships and you can make Nagato shoot faster

shy hazel Apr 22, 2019, 12:06 AM

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dpnds on u i think

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nagato may have more spread but less chbce to proc anyways

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unicornFused

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 12:07 AM

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if you win the game cuz she procs you ought to make sure yours shoots faster than theirs, I figured

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 12:19 AM

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70% that hits half the screen or 40% that hits whole screen

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doesn't really matter imo

elder crane Apr 22, 2019, 12:22 AM

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Also, my reasoning for Badge on Hiryuu:
Gold cata gives almost 15% more damage
Badge gives at least 16% more eHP vs BB shelling, more if they don't run double +Hit
And gives at least 23% more eHP vs non-suicide aviation
Doesn't help vs Suicide, and Fires beyond lower % for fire from not hitting ofc

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Tbh I copied the idea from how CNJP for a while had PR wheel on CVs as the meta equip

noble gyro Apr 22, 2019, 2:18 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190422-101406.jpeg

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tryin using hiryuu in pvp

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tell me if there is something I should replace

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 2:19 AM

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replace one of the catapults with purple oil tank.

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 2:19 AM

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tank bois

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 2:19 AM

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Ryuusei instead of Barracuda imo

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put her in dorm so she gets 20% more exp

noble gyro Apr 22, 2019, 2:20 AM

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what else

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 2:20 AM

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i mean, either pirate squad or reppu i think?

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for fighter?

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 2:20 AM

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I assumed he dosnt have them

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 2:20 AM

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fair

noble gyro Apr 22, 2019, 2:20 AM

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I do have

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 2:20 AM

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otherwise ppl would use them

noble gyro Apr 22, 2019, 2:20 AM

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both

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 2:20 AM

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ok use pirate

noble gyro Apr 22, 2019, 2:25 AM

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📎 Screenshot_20190422-102351.jpeg

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forgot the oil tank

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 2:26 AM

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lytTHUMBSUP

shy hazel Apr 22, 2019, 2:31 AM

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ryuusei vs cuda would depend on your needs though unicornFused

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i think someone here said ryuusei on bbs cuda on everything else

elder crane Apr 22, 2019, 2:44 AM

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Ryuusei sacrifices about 1 torpedo per plane(accounting for AA and evasion) worth of suicide damage for aimed torps (and also is slightly slower to launch, and has minimally better AA)
Overall, probably worth it on Hiryuu

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Hiryuu doesn't really have timing requirements, and as a solo CV without super high dmg aimed torps overkilling isn't an issue

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Also, two NamagiH teams in my PvP queue! Neither maxed, but both somewhat close

maiden agate Apr 22, 2019, 2:48 AM

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Does this looks like good gear on the foxes?

📎 Nakaga.jpg

leaden sequoia Apr 22, 2019, 3:10 AM

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morale does not affect pvp exp, so putting in dorm doesn't matter

elder crane Apr 22, 2019, 3:12 AM

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Well, got in about 2 dozen matches before I accidentally won

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 3:12 AM

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xD

elder crane Apr 22, 2019, 3:13 AM

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So, overall thoughts:
Winrate in mirror is uuuuuuuugh, somewhere around 2/3-3/4, which is pretty low
Frickin WaSDE levels of RNG almost, on barrages and the such
Ryuusei is definitely the superior TB for the mirror

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Interesting things I'll look at:
Length of battles: long enough, and Sheff will likely be viable and possibly optimal
I'll do a run-over right now and more detailed notes tomorrow, maybe even upload vid

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 3:20 AM

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namagi/hiryuu?

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and sheff/juneau/ykk?

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 3:26 AM

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interesting

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i wont feel too bad now if i cant roll nagato at all. cos amakaga is still winning 50% of the time against that comp

storm pasture Apr 22, 2019, 3:37 AM

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The kamikaze airstrike damage look so unreal im stunned
https://youtu.be/Ymz8urZ5oGY

YouTube

Victor1pda

Cranes test

▶ Play video

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 3:42 AM

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yea backline is vulnerable to suicide dmg thats why foxes can still work

storm pasture Apr 22, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Is it normal for crane sister to deal this must damage?

elder crane Apr 22, 2019, 3:42 AM

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Loss match 3
Tie match 6
Loss match 8
Tie match 10
Draw match 13
Total 14 matches (well obv not two dozen, I'm clearly sleepy)
9/14 wins, not exactly great
I'm going to make a few changes and see how things turn out next time

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 3:42 AM

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@storm pasture who did you fight with btw

storm pasture Apr 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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@ionic magnet not my video. I was asking around to see how people deal with this comp. And someone show me that video

📎 Screenshot_2019-04-22-09-46-24-084_com.YoStarEN.AzurLane.png

elder crane Apr 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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Opposing fleet Suimire Uesaka

storm pasture Apr 22, 2019, 3:43 AM

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He made it look so easy

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 3:45 AM

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well it wont always go like that

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lucky torp hits and nagato barrage

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but yea it can work

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tho i still prefer foxes

storm pasture Apr 22, 2019, 3:46 AM

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In the video nag proc twice and i dont think it dealt as much dmg as the cranes

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And im sure as hell i have never met foxes deal this much kamikaze damage before

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 3:47 AM

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its not purely kamikaze dmg tho

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i cant see the torp bombs from vid so i cant say

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also maybe nagato proccd burn

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 3:48 AM

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wow, i actually got a 2nd +1 this reset

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such miracle

elder crane Apr 22, 2019, 3:48 AM

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The Nagato barrages won the vanguard fight

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Both times the barrage was eaten by the vanguard

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On another note, I'm starting to notice a lot of variance in how much Amagi barrage does
In my matches, I've had her do anywhere from 10% to 40% of Hiryuu's HP
I'll have to look closer at it tomorrow

storm pasture Apr 22, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Crane sisters made a wreckage to the backline while ykkz still alive

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I swears i have never seen foxes could do that before

elder crane Apr 22, 2019, 3:51 AM

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Yeah, barely touched vanguard though interestingly

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Cranes have 7 TBs between them, right?

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 3:52 AM

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yea thats a lot

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and they bypass belfast smoke

elder crane Apr 22, 2019, 3:52 AM

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Also are strike focused, 2 Fighters each only

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 3:53 AM

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@storm pasture aww u found me

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hiryuu is in double gold cata atm cus I am grinding aff on her in c2

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how did it go

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did it atleast stall for a while

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 3:54 AM

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shldve tested more than once tho

storm pasture Apr 22, 2019, 3:54 AM

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@coral wren im running similiar fleet except im using hyuuga instead of hiryuu

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Cant win once tho

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 3:54 AM

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rip

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did jesus die too early?

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or maybe too late?

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if u can recall

storm pasture Apr 22, 2019, 3:56 AM

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They die slowly. Enough to activated death-heal

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 3:56 AM

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oh nice

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ty 😄

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finally go some feedback

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 4:00 AM

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o.O

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 4:00 AM

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yikes

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wrong channel

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I mean server

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we are playing wows

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:l

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 4:01 AM

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xD

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 4:56 AM

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i forgot

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daily resets doesn't reset opponents yeh?

sharp obsidian Apr 22, 2019, 4:58 AM

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No?

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 4:59 AM

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mutsukiStare

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 4:59 AM

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it doesn't

midnight heron Apr 22, 2019, 5:01 AM

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wow pvp rng can go suck a dick man enemy got 4 lucky e procs and mine 0

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 5:02 AM

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cuz i finally got a good opponent for once, tho his vanguard is sooo underleveled

📎 Screenshot_2019-04-22-11-54-01.png

trim horizon Apr 22, 2019, 5:02 AM

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4Shrug just reset

midnight heron Apr 22, 2019, 5:03 AM

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im surprised i even came out of dat alive

hollow fractal Apr 22, 2019, 5:08 AM

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this is an interesting fleet comp

📎 unknown.png

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never seen enty on a nagato+amagi team before

midnight heron Apr 22, 2019, 5:09 AM

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pray to rng u snipe her before she procs luckye 4x

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*definitely not salty*

hollow fractal Apr 22, 2019, 5:11 AM

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eh i'm not worried about winning, just curious about how well that team comp does

leaden sequoia Apr 22, 2019, 5:11 AM

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Enty probably just a placeholder for Hiryuu/Hyuuga for some reason

midnight heron Apr 22, 2019, 5:12 AM

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speaking of hyuuga i saw an enemy hyuuga fire off aux gun even tho she had melee artillery unlocked

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dafuq

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was definitely aux gun cuz its yellow bullets instead of red

cerulean estuary Apr 22, 2019, 5:22 AM

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@elder crane my def compo today is nagato / amagi / hiryuu
nanoda / belfap / jesus

im testing some gears on the backline

shy hazel Apr 22, 2019, 5:26 AM

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unicornFused

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 5:36 AM

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5 hrs in and noone still moved

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emileSip

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 5:39 AM

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Just got my 2nd +1 match

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emileSip

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Atm it doesn't even feel like I missed 3 attacks

cerulean estuary Apr 22, 2019, 6:04 AM

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too many test on pvp fleet , forgot / too late to quit one battle

the sad thing is its on th e far right haha
( someone draw my attention lol ) entyLUL

shy hazel Apr 22, 2019, 6:06 AM

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all according to plan smugBucky

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 6:08 AM

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https://youtu.be/V_T1DCI1gOs

YouTube

Just3c

Azurlane Reload Stats Explained (and why Autoloader is bad)

Next video is gonna be on preparing to farm PR ships. #Azurlane My Patreon Page: https://www.patreon.com/just3c My video sponsors: Kenneth, Kestrel, Kajiyama...

▶ Play video

random vault Apr 22, 2019, 6:11 AM

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damn he woke

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 6:12 AM

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hmmm?

random vault Apr 22, 2019, 6:13 AM

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not always u get him talking in his vids LeanderXD

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but its still more or less powerpoint format anyway lmao

storm pasture Apr 22, 2019, 6:16 AM

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It's headache enough to do math at school and college now i gotta do math at gaming too. Argg..

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 6:16 AM

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the math never ends

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 6:19 AM

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pvp people MOVE damn it MOOOOOOOOVE!

cerulean estuary Apr 22, 2019, 6:21 AM

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i wanna get back my +1 , i want a refund laffeyDrink

shy hazel Apr 22, 2019, 6:27 AM

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smugBucky

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everyone sandbags now

lament lichen Apr 22, 2019, 6:30 AM

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smugBucky

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must be nice to get +1

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 6:31 AM

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e1Animated plebs doing sanbaddging they get defeated on the last 3-5 days

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resistance is futile

shy hazel Apr 22, 2019, 6:35 AM

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i only get +1 every reset now

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smugBucky

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~~they really learned the art now~~

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 6:36 AM

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Might as well attack now before I forget warShrug

cerulean estuary Apr 22, 2019, 6:39 AM

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all i got is eyebags for sandbags

steep fog Apr 22, 2019, 6:54 AM

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hmm whats the best vg comp for nagiryuu now?

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 6:59 AM

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I think defensive vg is still the way to go

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So you get something like Juneau + Ykk + 1

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 7:00 AM

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managed to get +3 total

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tough reset

shy hazel Apr 22, 2019, 7:02 AM

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someone link the tierlist

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👀

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:02 AM

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?ts=5cb6b535#gid=1877076201

Google Docs

Azurlane PVP EN TIERLIST

TIERLIST

Fleet Composition Tierlist
CREDITS**: ,Z4ckFairX#0342,Etherst⭐r#6969, Fearless115#0058, DamiChi#5869, #ステラ#1346, sirrequiem#6969, HooLooVoo#5719, Bluerendar#2640, Daxam#4716
UPDATED ,April
20
2019,(Ink Stained Sakura),<--- updated format... i know it's ugly ...

shy hazel Apr 22, 2019, 7:02 AM

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3 damn lucker

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 7:09 AM

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;)

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:10 AM

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ima run my HMS into this for a bit and see how it goes, WISH MY LUCK CUZ I SURE AINT FAVOURITE

📎 unknown.png

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:10 AM

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renownThumbsUp

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:12 AM

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I actually won so hard despite Nagato triggering every time

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I am scared

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Poor little Nagato

📎 unknown.png

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 7:13 AM

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lol

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:14 AM

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Trash nakaga xD

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 7:15 AM

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fleetpower wise it looks like

versed atlas Apr 22, 2019, 7:15 AM

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she came home

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i can finally level heeeeeeer

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 7:15 AM

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2 oxytorps

odd schooner Apr 22, 2019, 7:15 AM

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We're going Loli Lane now huh

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 7:15 AM

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and unoptimal backline but

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at least judging from fleetpower that nakaga is maxed enough for reset tests

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:16 AM

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second game, Nagato triggered on every shot again

📎 unknown.png

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I am not sure if this is worth my time lmao

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 7:17 AM

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maybe sheff is op AquaSmug

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but i'd recommend more testing

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because torp RNG and flare RNG

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:18 AM

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I am also pretty sure Warspite is purely detrimental now that foxes have reload buff that pushes them under 32 second second launch

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I will try doy later I guess, enough spamming pictures for now

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Actually, just one more where Nagato just doesnt shoot

📎 unknown.png

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 7:23 AM

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i think sheffield isnt just sleeper strong, but just actually strong xD

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:24 AM

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I sort of wish I could cut belfast from this team but but I reasonably need something to rek the flare

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:32 AM

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What's your equipment on bel and shef?

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:32 AM

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I sort of figured Amagi is what makes this matchup hard for HMS but I also didnt expect to win 10 games in a row against Nagato laffeyDrink

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Belfast is bulge oxy and sheff is bulge pearl

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:34 AM

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Can you reach less hp than sheff with bel if you use boiler thinkpitz

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:35 AM

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I have not valculated it because pvp health is weird and we didnt have the exact formula before

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ima go to 15 games then do math on that

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but yeah, I am running oxy so I can have 2 bulges

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 7:35 AM

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well we did find out that the health multiplier scales on level

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xD

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:36 AM

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I was thinking what if you put Juneau in front, shef 2nd and bel 3rd

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Wouldn't that make bel hard to kill

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:36 AM

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I am also thinking about it

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:36 AM

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And the healing of your pearl is also better

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:36 AM

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but I dont see a reason to minmax atm

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this is what I'd run on defense had I not known this matchup is so one sided

vague token Apr 22, 2019, 7:39 AM

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do we know what the kizuna skills are? what if this collab is pvp viable xD

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:40 AM

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I don't think that there are any stats or skills are released yet

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 7:42 AM

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14th game I finally lose

📎 unknown.png

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:44 AM

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what would u guys suggest? Beaver SG or SG FCR or Beaver FCR on Nagato?

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:45 AM

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I am using Beaver FCR

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:47 AM

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I cant decide because I feel Amagi would use FCR better. her barrage will proc more often than Nagatos and so boosting her FP should be higher prio

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right

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and being a flagship nagato needs to be beefy so SG + beaver

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for max evasion

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:47 AM

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If you already get the reduction from Amagi's skill I wouldn't use fcr on her

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:48 AM

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I see.

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thats a valid point too

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 7:48 AM

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id put fcr on amagi actually

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:48 AM

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😖

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:48 AM

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entyLUL

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:49 AM

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I mean there are good points

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for both

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when is FW rerun

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FFS

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:49 AM

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Lmao

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I want my 🥖 first

lament lichen Apr 22, 2019, 7:49 AM

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my frc is on nagato for pve smugBucky

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 7:49 AM

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yea not a big deal just put on any lol

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:49 AM

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it is a big deal because it could affect how a match turns out

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:50 AM

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I will swap beaver when I get the pr wheel tho

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 7:50 AM

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im talking abt on average its just the same

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almost the same

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:51 AM

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slightly stronger and faster barrage on nagato but squisher due to less evasion. + dmg - survivability
slightly weaker and slower barrage on nagato but beefier due to more evasion with sg. +survivability -dmg

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awtfthink

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:55 AM

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I would rather have the Nagato barrage out earlier combined with the Amagi skill reduction than just Amagi with a slightly faster barrage (I don't even know how it would stack her skill + FCR)

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:55 AM

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I dont really think about the faster proc on amagi

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its more about the extra FP

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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see those + and - just cancels out when you count in amagi

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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I guess its a bigger boost

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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But when the enemy dies faster then you get more survivability too

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smugBucky

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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ok

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nagato gets FCR then

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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What was the chance for an enty to hit lucky e and to crit whit every single bomb into an full BB team entyLUL

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 7:56 AM

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dont forget nagato barrage is 40%

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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dont worry nagato kai is 70%

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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You still get the barrage faster anyway

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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warShrug

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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The 2nd barrage will be come faster too

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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What nagato Kai? fumizukiStare

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:57 AM

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just kidding

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 7:58 AM

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entyLUL

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 7:58 AM

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its faster 40% of the time and its useless 60% of the time

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easy maths

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 7:58 AM

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Quick maths*

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 7:58 AM

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entyLUL

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 7:59 AM

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hmm wth

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hiryuu is just so squishy

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gonna pad her with toolboxes

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sandyMeme

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and anti torps

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noice 6k hp

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:00 AM

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She needs more eva, use beaver sandyMeme

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:00 AM

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I wonder how the meta will be... Amagi or Nagato?

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:00 AM

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I can give u a hint

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why not both

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:01 AM

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I mean nagato has and crazy barrage but low proc

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While amagi has higher chances and nice buffers

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:01 AM

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join the Amagaryuu

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and wall off cheap foxe players

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:01 AM

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AkagiLul

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laughs in wasda

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:02 AM

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dosnt nakaga rekt wasda tho

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:02 AM

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I'm still at wasd enty but thanks

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:02 AM

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I haven't had any problems

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Nakaga is easy

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:02 AM

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I read some ppl here tested nakaga vs wasd

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 8:03 AM

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yes please use Nagaryuu for free win for my Namabaka e2Animated

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:03 AM

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I am still looking for a solid Nagaryuu

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The one I finally found had an underleveled vg

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So beating it was easy

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:04 AM

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Someone told me once that at higher levels wasd are stronger than amakaga now idk

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:04 AM

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the chance of someone walling u is quite low

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if u have a good fleet too

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pvp is just that easy

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and simple

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:05 AM

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I still hope for better mechanics in PvP...

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:05 AM

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being on the attacking side will always win. unless rng turns REALLY BAD

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:05 AM

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Atm for me PvP feels a must

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:05 AM

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free merits why not

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xd

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buy bulins and retire

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free medals

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Yeah but... I would like more competitive battles

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Then buy sandy from medal exchange sandyMeme

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:06 AM

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Just let us control the ships

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GWcentralPikaLUL

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:06 AM

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that would ruin pvp

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xD

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:07 AM

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But at the same time it's not fun to watch "a movie"

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Whit either good or bad ending

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:07 AM

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well we are playing a idle game

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after all

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dont forget

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:07 AM

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But you would have a way bigger advantage if you manual

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 8:07 AM

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its a mobile idle game

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auto should be a major part of the game

outer stump Apr 22, 2019, 8:08 AM

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It's not like I want advantage's, but I would like an queue up mechanic

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Like finding opponent's

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Now idk

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 8:08 AM

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is the EN Tier list open to public now?

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:08 AM

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It doesn't look completely finished to me tho

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 8:08 AM

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@real notch pointland

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just the TierList part

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not the ship analaysis etc

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:09 AM

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Amakaga is missing some

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in the tierlist

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 8:09 AM

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ahh the VG

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:09 AM

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i'll finish amakaga

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since zack is asking why him

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AquaLUL

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:09 AM

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entyLUL

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:09 AM

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I am trying doya gainst the same team and the results seem to be about the same

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:09 AM

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dw i used amakaga ever since she released so i can do it well too

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 8:09 AM

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I would but I don't use Amakaga despite I have all ships at 110 and affection 200

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:10 AM

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ok

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:10 AM

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I would ask why the fuck was this Nakaga bullshit ever feared by anyone but I know the exact answer

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:10 AM

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first i hid the ship analysis section that @zenith tundra used, will unhide once we figure out which tab to use going forward

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i'll finish amakaga VGs now

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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which is that JP never had FW so they never had HFCR so their Hood just sucked

lime rivet Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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What's the ideal Hiryuu loadout?

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Ryuusei

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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dont think nakaga was ever feared on defense

lime rivet Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Yeah, got that. Auxwise?

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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The usual

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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reppuu, SB2C, cuda/ryuusei, catapult, aviation

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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cat + tank

lime rivet Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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Wish doubletanking worked.

buoyant parrot Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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pointland

lime rivet Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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notLikeDuck

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:11 AM

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i don't think badge is tested well enough yet to be BiS

lime rivet Apr 22, 2019, 8:12 AM

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It would be fucking hilarious

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:12 AM

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also, we have test data indicating foxes worked better with cuda

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but will need testing

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for hiryuu

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to be sure

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ok done VG section

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ok updated FAQ tab to include this:

(This page is pending further upgrades. The #pvp team will likely update this viewers read the tierlist guide and have recurring questions regarding the document.)

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:22 AM

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Makes sense warShrug

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:23 AM

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i also cleared the Ship Analysis tab by removing the (Player) blanks

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and whatever blank slots there were

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gear tab is solid i think, nothing is missing

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guide looks good to go @buoyant parrot

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anyone else notice anything missing?

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 8:24 AM

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can i have the link again

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:24 AM

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oh, shit wait i forgot disclaimer

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 8:24 AM

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mutsukiStare

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:25 AM

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After Jintsuu equipment there are no more notes for the other ships

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:26 AM

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which one?

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ok i just made a quick disclaimer page, i added the disclaimers i came up with last week

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:27 AM

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I will add some notes

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:27 AM

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yes pls

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:27 AM

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Feel free to change them tho

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:27 AM

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yea np, if we disagree we will discuss here

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:33 AM

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doy is so random its tilting me

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:34 AM

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btw daxam

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for the purposes of HMS fleet

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how would you tier other HMS VG like fortune, leander, etc.

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or whatever other people may come up with

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 8:34 AM

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BB shells in general are random warShrug

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:34 AM

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UHH

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I will be completely honest, Fortune is probably just straight worse ykkz and Leander is sort of redundant with everyone shifting to less all in approach. My recommendation is to stay away from those if you have Sheff because Sheff is legit hard carrying me atm and I am scared to try anything else

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I can dick around with it

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:37 AM

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Added the notes

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:37 AM

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I have already been resetting against this guy for hour and a half now, I am sure another 2 wont kill me

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:37 AM

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where'd you add the notes

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AquaDerp

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i don't see it

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oh, let's also make a ver. # for this tierlist

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and call it like

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1.0.0 for now

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?

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:38 AM

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Equipment > VG ships > the ships below Jintsuu

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:38 AM

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ohh i see it

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aite

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are we goood to go

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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

Azurlane PVP EN TIERLIST

PLEASE READ

Azurlane PVP
PVP TIER LIST -IN EN ENVIRONMENT-
Created by #pvp theorycrafters in Azur Lane Official (Credits will be given at end of tierlist)
Please read the fine text below for disclaimers:
DISCLAIMER:

Tiering is based on overall (weighted average) WINRA...

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:43 AM

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@real notch ```LagFruit (Nagato, Akagi, Kaga | Sendai, Aurora, Yukikaze) 13543/13405
Daxam (Queen Elizabeth, Warspite, Hood | Juneau, Belfast, Sheffield) 13696/13175

Toolbox on June, Oxy on Belfast
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - win
game 7 - win
game 8 - win
game 9 - win
game 10 - win
game 11 - win
game 12 - win
game 13 - win
game 14 - lose
game 15 - lose
game 16 - win
game 17 - win
game 18 - win
game 19 - win
game 20 - lose
game 21 - lose
game 22 - win
game 23 - win
game 24 - win
game 25 - lose```

Daxam (Queen Elizabeth, Duke of York, Hood | Juneau, Belfast, Sheffield) 13725/12811

Boilers
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - lose
game 7 - win
game 8 - win
game 9 - win
game 10 - lose
game 11 - win
game 12 - lose
game 13 - lose
game 14 - win
game 15 - win```

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how do I even include other HMS ships? Just cut Sheff? Pretend WC never happened?

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 8:48 AM

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@real notch how dare you forget jesus with amakaga OWARIDA

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:49 AM

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oh wait, I cant try Fortune and Leander because they are lvl 100

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Curse you Daxam, you have time to level Vampire, but leave good HMS ships behind

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:50 AM

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entyLUL

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:51 AM

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I will run Ykkz for a bit and see how much worse she is then Sheff

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 8:52 AM

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lmao

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 8:53 AM

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talkin bout good ol fortune, i was actually running fortune with namagiH for a few games, and it's absolutely stomping wasd

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:53 AM

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Found another one

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Sadly none are oathed

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 8:53 AM

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btw id put an asterisk on that test daxam since that guy has no juneau

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:53 AM

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?

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If you want to nitpick then nitpick him running double oxy

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his lineup is fine

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 8:55 AM

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not to me but w/e

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 8:55 AM

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you run 2 debuffers and juneau/ykkz

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sure, he might be doing better with Juneau, but most of the games I lost, my Warspite was getting shat on by torps so

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:56 AM

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NGL @ionic magnet i wanted to put juneau in, exactly in this slot

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i personally used juneau ~~and i had some great mirror results sooo~~

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i just didn't wanna rewrite whoever wrote the description for that VG...

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cus that'd be a dick move GWahreeSure

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uhh, yea @balmy torrent etherst asked and i took a look a the doc

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 8:57 AM

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Won with pretty shitty rng

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real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:57 AM

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i cleaned up the tabs, filled up some blank descriptions and added a disclaimer

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i think we're good to go

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we'll push it live, then update it real-time whenever something comes up

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like a new fleet, or new info

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 8:58 AM

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tbh theres so many possible combinations on vgs dont think we can cover all

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 8:58 AM

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also, i want to add cyaneko's TLDR translation for PVP datamined mechanics somewhere

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actually, fuk it i'll add it right now in FAQ

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 9:01 AM

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Ffs, this rng, his Nagato triggered her skill 4 times, 40% my ass

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empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 9:03 AM

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@blazing scroll my nagato at max skill also procs
like 8/10 times

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:06 AM

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ok i just updated FAQ tab to include your TLDR mechanics @balmy torrent

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thanks for the data @modern tree , i added it to my reset testing list

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what was the result? oxytorp better than boilers?

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 9:08 AM

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daddies and mommies pls feed me info

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 9:11 AM

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I think that its a wash between the two of them, but I'd run Boilers on VG just because they did okay vs plane bmbs and they will help against BB lineups a lot more

odd schooner Apr 22, 2019, 9:11 AM

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mfw we expanding everyday now

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LeanderXD

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Good

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:12 AM

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how's this look @balmy torrent

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ok true

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changed

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so global dmg PENALTY for all ships, and damage penalty for defense fleets

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nani

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don't u take reduced dmg

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oh, is it some sort of offense fleet buff

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instead of a defense fleet debuff

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~~is there a diffference~~

odd schooner Apr 22, 2019, 9:16 AM

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Is it really buff

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I think it's debuff to enemies

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But ppl just call it 20% atk lmao

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:16 AM

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would make sense to be debuff to enemies

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 9:16 AM

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I thought the defense fleet damage is just multiplied by 0.8 at the end

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:16 AM

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though there is no difference

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lol

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cus it's applied end of formula either way

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 9:17 AM

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but yeah, functionally attacker just takes 20% less damage

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:17 AM

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but 20% dmg buff is different from 20% dmg reduction right?

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there are some slight reconsiderations if you are talking about 1 over the other

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wait why's 20% DR = 25% dmg more

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oh

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i am big baka

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yea i know i just derped my math

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it's almost 3AM ok

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i wanna decorate the first tab a bit

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namahyuu seems confusing

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lol uhh

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i have no idea

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spicyoil

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can i do this

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i am a big inazuma fan

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spicyoil hell yea

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"Level 90 Commissions are OP"
me:

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ok anyways are we good to make this public

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if so i'll ping a mod and have them pin it

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then we'll look for ways to spread the word around spicyoil

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 9:30 AM

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wait a sec i'll add juneau in amakaga

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or i can still edit it after anyway

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:31 AM

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ya u can

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also it'll prolly take a while for a mod to come by anyways

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GWahreeVampySmug

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oh

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it's a hidden tab because it's incomplete

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go into view > hidden sheets (2)

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you should be able to access it

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it also has stella's sandbagging guide

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AquaSmug

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kek i just opened stella's tab for the first time

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you mean in ship analysis?

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yeah ideally if this was excel

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i would change the tab into a table

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so people can freely sort by alphabetical, tier, etc.

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that's ok

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zack's tab def looks better

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we just need to decide if that's how much detail we wanna put into every ship we analyze

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 9:38 AM

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It's probably for the best as we expand because once initial work is done then all we have left is more or less maintenence

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so we should probably just try to upgrade into that format

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:39 AM

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ok thats fine with me

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only thing for me is that there's a lot of detail, maybe even too much detail

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i was originally just thinking a quick description + general tiering

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but otherwise it's a good format, just more time consuming maintenance in the future i suppose

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 9:41 AM

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we could remove the link i guess

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 9:42 AM

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Also, the only work left for me is to catch derickz's Namagi, smash it 20 times with HMS and put HMS in tier -1 where is their place

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:42 AM

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WorldBurns

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well i suppose

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if they have like 90% winrate against namagi

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or i'd say 80-90

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if HMS is itemized well enough to win 90% against namagis

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then sure

cedar moon Apr 22, 2019, 9:44 AM

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Guys, how to counter nakaga in pvp?

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 9:45 AM

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smugBucky

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 9:45 AM

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~~play HMS~~

cedar moon Apr 22, 2019, 9:45 AM

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My rng didnt allow me to have amagi

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 9:45 AM

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what ships do you have

cedar moon Apr 22, 2019, 9:46 AM

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I use nakaga, but it is usually 50-50 chance that i will win

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 9:47 AM

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ok which VGs are you using

cedar moon Apr 22, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Jintsuu aurora ayanami

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 9:47 AM

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nakaga mirrors should be more than 50% wr

cedar moon Apr 22, 2019, 9:47 AM

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Should i change the vg?

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 9:48 AM

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try removing aya and then putting juneau

cedar moon Apr 22, 2019, 9:48 AM

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I didnt upgrade juneau, how about ykkz?

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 9:49 AM

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should also work tho slightly worse imo

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^

cedar moon Apr 22, 2019, 9:50 AM

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Ok then, i should put pearls tear on her too right??

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Ok then, will put it on ykkz. Thx for the help guys

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:52 AM

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did anyone mention belfast

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use that

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against nakaga

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btw also for this VG analysis importing thing

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it's not just import, we will have to add new strength/weakness section

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and some other misc. data like availability and ship link

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hmm, this misc stuff is w.e, but i actually quite like the strength/weakness section so i don't wanna just wing that

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i feel like it's what people will look at the most

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at this rate we can even just ditch the quotes if there's gonna be strength/weaknesses

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yea... ~~we got the quotes all finished too~~

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 9:58 AM

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@modern tree not gonna see that outdated Namasuk from me m8

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feel free to smash my Namaryuu 20 times tho

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 9:59 AM

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@cedar moon don't forget to use belfast

cedar moon Apr 22, 2019, 9:59 AM

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Ok sir

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 9:59 AM

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@empty sinew what are your points right now? I might try to catch you near the reset after everyone pushes to 5/10

cedar moon Apr 22, 2019, 10:00 AM

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1225, it is seasonal score right?

ionic magnet Apr 22, 2019, 10:00 AM

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my problem with belfast (compared to jintsuu) is that you lose a lot of torp trades with her so you end up completely relying on foxes for dmg

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 10:00 AM

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1468 8/10 Rank 328 smugBucky

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 10:00 AM

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it's been fukin 9 hours and nobody moved

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~~and stella wants to torture us by showing everyone how to sandbag~~

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HAhaa

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 10:01 AM

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okay got it I do have a good chance near the reset then

real notch Apr 22, 2019, 10:01 AM

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jk knowledge should be spread

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 10:01 AM

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noice

mild pollen Apr 22, 2019, 10:25 AM

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Nagato-Amagi-Hiryuu is the meta backline now? fumizukiStare

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Okay, thanks o/

versed atlas Apr 22, 2019, 10:30 AM

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do my shipgirls get more xp in the dorm if i have fewer of them in it?

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 10:30 AM

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yes

versed atlas Apr 22, 2019, 10:30 AM

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yeah that'sw hat i thought, got a conflicting reply from #al-general tho

modern tree Apr 22, 2019, 10:30 AM

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pretty sure they just eat the food slower?

versed atlas Apr 22, 2019, 10:30 AM

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yeah, but

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Regardless of how many shipgirls are present, each unit of supplies converts to 0.2 base EXP, plus 0.01 per Commander level (total EXP, not per shipgirl).

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so if they eat slower they get less xp

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you get 64% of the xp per ship girl with 5 girls in it compared to 100% at 1 girl

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i think

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 10:33 AM

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well, you still net less total xp with less ships, but they individually gain more

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and of course, food also goes down slower, but the multiplier per girl increases (not really increase but decreases less from 100%)

versed atlas Apr 22, 2019, 10:34 AM

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well

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i wanna level nagato as quickly as possible right now

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 10:35 AM

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solo nagato in dorm smugBucky

versed atlas Apr 22, 2019, 10:35 AM

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yes

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for a couple of hours

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actually i'll leave hiryuu with her

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cause i wanna get hiryuu to 110 and she's close

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thanks

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i was doing the daily build

empty sinew Apr 22, 2019, 10:37 AM

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no longer "another day no nagato"

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nice

versed atlas Apr 22, 2019, 10:37 AM

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saw 4:20:00 and was like "you're not tricking me this time, california"

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so i immediately clicked on the retire button

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this bugged the game though

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had to restart and theni saw in the retire window, it was nagato!

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are there any important uipcoming pvp ships

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as in, ships that have already been released in JP/CN

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that will be build-only?

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not essex?

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 10:45 AM

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~~seeing essex makes me depressed because it sounds like ez sex and I dont have sex cus I am single and I am lonely ow my soul hurts.~~

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jk

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 10:46 AM

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mutsukiStare

versed atlas Apr 22, 2019, 10:50 AM

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ykkz is so good for putting a low level ship in the backline to level her in high level areas

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i'm so used to akaga fully kitted out that

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just a single hiryuu seems to be so weak in terms of air strikes

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in pvp when enemy main fleet has half hp

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and akaga rolls over them

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usually at least 2 of those ships go down from that strike alone

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:06 AM

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is wasd still working? didn't see any fleets like that at all lately

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 11:06 AM

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I am still using it

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emileSip

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:06 AM

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wasd amagi nanoda belfap jesus? or?

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 11:07 AM

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Yup, exactly those

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:07 AM

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well, my south dakota's lv109 x-x and nanoda is just 98

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as for jesus, 106, so is it still ok to play these or just resort to full lv110 atm

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 11:08 AM

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You can use them and lvl them while doing pvp

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Depends if your matchups are fully lvled or not

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:08 AM

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well, they mostly are x-x

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 11:09 AM

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You won't be beating anyone with such a major lvl disadvantage

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:09 AM

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4 levels?

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well for nanoda yeah

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 11:09 AM

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She will die really quickly

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While she is meant to last the longest in your vg

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:10 AM

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i guess i'll still try it

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 11:11 AM

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I can look what mine are, hold up

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:11 AM

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amagi is at 416 or so

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with oath

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 11:12 AM

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My amakaga hits 13355

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:12 AM

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is helena juneau belfap enterprise wasd ok atm?

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for a more offensive version

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is aurora really that relevant, idk, i haven't noticed big differences between using her and not

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well i gotta raise nanoda..

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 11:15 AM

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Yeah, it's probably well geared

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:17 AM

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3 airstrikes, no luckE, still won

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what's the best setup for solo enterprise? vf17 helldiver ryuusei gold cata and tank?

blazing scroll Apr 22, 2019, 11:20 AM

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I wouldn't recommend ryuusei

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The results are too unstable

coral wren Apr 22, 2019, 11:21 AM

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also, hsfcr on who, south dakota or washington?