pvp

[real notch]

it's perfect except for zack's part

[pearl nimbus]

Zack will get around to it omegaLUL

[real notch]

zack where are you, finish the amakaga VG

[zenith tundra]

i'm still confused why do i have to do amakaga part

[real notch]

or i can do it

[shy hazel]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1BglmSOaD1ec8zc6bKwiItf2OcQueoRNxF3UGzlQnHBU/edit#gid=0

[pearl nimbus]

Big boi pog

[real notch]

well, i have been using amakaga as soon as i got amagi

[zenith tundra]

pls do it i'm not good with explanations

[real notch]

but i got amagi 3 weeks later than everyone else

#352 cube amagi never forgetti

[shy hazel]

so i far i got all top rating pvp ships

at first 30 minutes of events

[real notch]

ok fine i'll do it

also, i'm thinking

[ionic magnet]

p sure we all used amakaga

[real notch]

should we add sheff into VG options?

[pearl nimbus]

For HMS?

[real notch]

i only see her in HMS

[ionic magnet]

idk i havent tried her yet so

[zenith tundra]

u would pick sheffield instead of belfast as a defense vg choice

[shy hazel]

how many of u here tested sheff anyways

[real notch]

i'm still raising sheff

[shy hazel]

not me at least

[zenith tundra]

i used her for a bit with hms

[ionic magnet]

still lv 99

[real notch]

yea, i'd use sheff over belfast if enemy has no foxes

or i'd at least test it first

cus it seems worth it

[modern tree]

I am trying Portland atm cuz I did math and Beaver+Pearl is almost the most health you can get on her

[shy hazel]

as an opponent portland is kinda nice before nagato came

she survives first strike

sometimes 2nd

but now, she just dies

well if nagato procs

barrage

[modern tree]

I mean, she doesnt die against Amakaga as far as I can tell

[shy hazel]

shes probably at tier 2 level

good alternative for defense

[modern tree]

if I see Nagato on Sandy you guys will be first to know lmao

[zenith tundra]

belfast is best tank of nagato 1st barrage after that rip

[shy hazel]

ive already met tons of 110 nagatos in avrora

[modern tree]

I wont cuz you lost charges and I will probably never fucking see you

[shy hazel]

even fought a namaryuu alot

[zenith tundra]

glad they started appearing tbh

[shy hazel]

lol

[modern tree]

1154 9/10

[shy hazel]

im so bad at sandbagging rn

lol

1194 6/10

oh

1196 i mean

[zenith tundra]

1121 9/10

[shy hazel]

cos u slept 👀

i think its because i alrdy got top 5 last time

if i get so sleepy i just do rounds fast

lol

then the next day my score is low and i tot i lost a round

but not really

[zenith tundra]

ur full score right?

[shy hazel]

yup

[blazing scroll]

1156 8/10 with a couple of missed attack

[shy hazel]

i think i never lost a round

[zenith tundra]

then ur sandbagging sucks lol

[shy hazel]

👀

its harder to sandbag if u dont lose a round

[zenith tundra]

only 5 ahead i haven't even try to sandbag

i got at least 2 -1 already because i prefer to fight strong opponents over just leftmost

[modern tree]

I mean, I also don't have time to properly sandbag because I am involved in a big project now so I gotta sleep. Gone are the times of 2605 on Sandy

[shy hazel]

not getting bonuses in my first 3 rounds

every reset might as well mean

im not getting bonus

cos i havent lost a round

lol

the scores are low rn

i can only get + at top 1-3

if i lose a round i can get bonuses from up to rank 50

[meager dawn]

Does the health multiplier also affect planes?

[shy hazel]

thats how drastic it is

it should get better soon

once only rusher and sandbagger are left on the top ranks

i typically suck at sandbagging tbh

lol

but hey i was still top 5 in avrora

zack is 6

oh i just realized

the cubes giveaway event

ends on the 28th

[zenith tundra]

cube giveaway for what?

[shy hazel]

the vr camera thingie

25 cubes

[shy hazel]

ya i was talknig to trophy just now

kms future is kind of interesting in pvp for me right nnow

with all these releases

👀

loli zep means u can now run tirpitz

cos 2 cvs

[modern tree]

you probably still wouldnt

[zenith tundra]

if we are getting that this year

[shy hazel]

and friedrice has big hp pool

[modern tree]

because FTG

[shy hazel]

10k normally

then 20k in pvp

add that with durability of kms frontliners

with roon

youll have a shithigh durable pvp kms team

that does damage

to some extent

lol

its all theory for now anyways

we know that adult zep sucks

but adult zep gives def boost for frontline right

[modern tree]

like, the PR boat not only has 10k hp, it also has a skill that reduces damage taken when shes hurt

[shy hazel]

then alot kms frontlines boost def for backline

roon has high survivability

[modern tree]

and also Zepp exists

[shy hazel]

kind of zulul

[modern tree]

it's gonna be fucking gross

[shy hazel]

defense is the best offense kind of thing

doesnt rly matter if small zep is gacha

still has a chance to get her

and if shes in gacha maybe shell have a not so bad skill set

[zenith tundra]

juneau roon yukikaze for max memes

[shy hazel]

theres no details yet iirc

they should srsly give refit to gneisau and sister though

so kms will have more options

lol

[zenith tundra]

just looked at azuma gun and it has higher spread then belgun lol

[shy hazel]

so its like

[zenith tundra]

azuma already doomed to be useless

[shy hazel]

upgraded bel gun?

[ionic magnet]

@zenith tundra can you put up namagi hiryuu? ive got you on my list

[zenith tundra]

test against that pls

[ionic magnet]

tested amakaga already against hyuuga

16 wins 4 losses

[zenith tundra]

what are u testing?

against namaryuu

[ionic magnet]

just amakaga cos well i dont have nagato kek

[zenith tundra]

why amakaga?

still?

[ionic magnet]

just wanna see if this can still win

[shy hazel]

hooloo is unlucky with nagato

[ionic magnet]

yea well idk im cursed or smth

400 cubes on ykkz and then approaching 300 now on nagato

[zenith tundra]

gonna setup with belfast too

my vg just exploded without belfast right?

[ionic magnet]

yea

thats mostly the deciding factor

if 2nd airstrike hits fully on your backline its over

but if 1 fox gets sniped before or ykkz is still alive then i lose

[shy hazel]

👀

i wrote it as a joke

u can replace it anytime

[ionic magnet]

lol

[zenith tundra]

this is what i used on nagato because of d2

[ionic magnet]

oof

[zenith tundra]

with belgun instead of 127

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

how the hell do u have me on ur list i'm so behind

[ionic magnet]

i lost 3 charges cos of hms

[zenith tundra]

if u want we can also try amakaga vs nakaga

[ionic magnet]

oh sure im just waiting to refresh rn

[zenith tundra]

if u want post some pics when u get to try

[ionic magnet]

first match too close

ill count that as a loss

[coral wren]

did his hiryuu pop final counter already?

[ionic magnet]

yea

around 10 secs already

[coral wren]

I see

[ionic magnet]

1-1

[zenith tundra]

in 1st battle hiryuu would've been next to strike unless u kill her before

[ionic magnet]

1-2

[coral wren]

oof

[ionic magnet]

lost this one so bad kek

[coral wren]

thats harsh

[zenith tundra]

nagato?

[coral wren]

go easier on him zack

[ionic magnet]

yea nagato and torps

[coral wren]

what torps. he is using defense vg

ur torps should hit much harder

xd

[zenith tundra]

2 quint mag 1 rainbow

[coral wren]

"if they hit"

oh u see quint too. I feel like quint have mcuh wide spread

[coral wren]

so even if it goes up and down it will still hit mid

[ionic magnet]

ill count this as a loss also

hiryuu still got ~5 secs

[coral wren]

yea its a loss then

xd

rip

hiryuu xD

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is suck a troll against foxes

[coral wren]

most ppl run foxes . so its really nice

[ionic magnet]

ill just count this as a win cos ykkz might get hit by torp

[shy hazel]

might not also be

👀

[ionic magnet]

👀

[elder crane]

Strike mostly loaded as well

[ionic magnet]

its on the way already

[zenith tundra]

should be win

[ionic magnet]

jintsuu launched xD

[elder crane]

With ykkz already launch torps

should be win

3:49 on timer
So, what, 3 full fox strikes?

[zenith tundra]

already 3

[elder crane]

This is the argument for Sheff over Belfast, I think

[zenith tundra]

not against foxes

[elder crane]

Drags on long enough that the persistent Sheff skill eventually does more dred than Bel does

[zenith tundra]

belfast should be better in almost any case against foxes

[modern tree]

she doesnt protect you from second or third strike

[elder crane]

Sheff has 15% always, vs torps and strikes&Nagbarrage
Belfast protects 1 strikes&Nagbarrage, maybe 2 if lucky

[modern tree]

if you cant win before second or after second then there is actually no point

[zenith tundra]

that's defense not offense

[modern tree]

unless the first straight wipes you

[ionic magnet]

ok this one is hopeless

2x nagato proc

[elder crane]

Only issue is if Juneau is survivable enough with Sheff instead of Bel

If Sheff means Jun dies too early, then probs not worth

On offense, ofc, it's not an issue, might be on def though

[zenith tundra]

i can try set up with sheffield

and use ryuusei too

[ionic magnet]

2-5

[elder crane]

ooof on that ratio

[coral wren]

I am liking this

how well geared is ur fleet

[elder crane]

Wait this is Amkaga

[ionic magnet]

yea

[zenith tundra]

my def should be bis max oath but juneau

[elder crane]

Well, that's now two fleets that somewhat, at least, wall out Amkaga

[coral wren]

thats good

fuck ppl who uses foxes

[zenith tundra]

nakaga can still beat namaryuu with right setup

[ionic magnet]

2-6

hiryuu winning games lul

[coral wren]

I think its a auto loss if u have to swap around gear or ships or positions to beat a defense fleet

[zenith tundra]

eh at least u can win. plus i'm pretty sure def vg is better even for nakaga for now

at least before pr

[coral wren]

if ur offensive fleet cant be univeral its not really complete

universal*

[ionic magnet]

2-7

last one

[shy hazel]

i guess i realized now how annoying my current def fleet is

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu still loses to anything not foxes

[ionic magnet]

ajhasdhawdjkawda

i messed up

[shy hazel]

at least you didnt lose

[ionic magnet]

i wanna try sirius aurora sendai next

[coral wren]

whats the best defense fleet right now?

[ionic magnet]

welp 3-7 then

[coral wren]

or most annying defense fleet

[zenith tundra]

the only thing u can wall off are foxes mostly

[ionic magnet]

prolly namagi hiryuu

and wasda

[zenith tundra]

everything else should beat namaryuu and wasda

[shy hazel]

nakaga can delete wasda fast now

in other words

there are no best stall fleet now

[ionic magnet]

how about namagi hiryuu mirrors

offense always wins?

[zenith tundra]

no real reason to lose mirror

[shy hazel]

i never lost at least

[ionic magnet]

hmm so theyre p much the best fleet rn

i wonder how wasda atk vs namaryuu def goes tho

[zenith tundra]

what's ur rank rn? @ionic magnet

[ionic magnet]

1425

1148 pts

[zenith tundra]

not lucky enough

[ionic magnet]

what rank you at

[zenith tundra]

1360rn i got a +1

1151

[ionic magnet]

hmm ill try some refresh

welp nothing

[blazing scroll]

Finally somebody moved, got a +1

[ionic magnet]

gotta wait for a while again

its cos i mistimed hiryuu

[shy hazel]

kinda funny

when reset happened

i saw rank 60

then i killed

then i got no bonus

after awhile i saw the same person got top 3

i should be stepping up my sandbag game

lol

this always happens

2lazy to check board

on scores

[ionic magnet]

not checking rankings xD

[zenith tundra]

if someone moves wait like 5mins to see if it moves again

[shy hazel]

i guess its also because

im too excited to test out my new toy

[zenith tundra]

i always wait to see if someone is doing more like 5 min at least

[shy hazel]

cos the person got a nice fleet

for some reason

my hiryuu always goes to red fast

before nagato or amagi dies

so opponent dies fast

cos last something triggers fast

lol

[zenith tundra]

final counter

[shy hazel]

ya that

its funny when that happens srsly

[zenith tundra]

i like to keep my hiryuu alive so i cannot lose

[coral wren]

what aux on hiryuu?

beaver?

[zenith tundra]

cata oil tank

[coral wren]

oh so standard cv

[zenith tundra]

is she special?

[coral wren]

I dunno maybe building some eva or something

xd

[shy hazel]

i dont need to maintain hiryuu hp when theyre dead when they force it to go low

lol

that one hiryuu strike really ganks their fleet

[ionic magnet]

is her final counter based on skill level or just a regular airstrike

[shy hazel]

based on skill level

[ionic magnet]

oh

it feels stronger than regular airstrike tbh

[shy hazel]

at least the description

says that

[zenith tundra]

final counter skill only increases invincibility

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

she launches a normal airstrike

which is kind of broken

[shy hazel]

oh nvm

its normal airstrike ye

[ionic magnet]

just my imagination then kek

[shy hazel]

it feels stronger because

if she launches then u put her to red fast

she launches right after

so that's like double strike

then i dont know yet but zack says

she'll still launch 1 more

after the skill is triggered

so u get 3 strikes free

[zenith tundra]

depends on the timing

if she procs right on normal airstrike then she wont get another most likely

anything over 8 secs difference should guarantee another 1

[shy hazel]

at least for me

i never needed that 3rd airstrike

at least for now

cos most opponents are dead on last stand

[ionic magnet]

this meta tho

no more 30 sec fights

[shy hazel]

mmmm

that will depend on yukikaze

or if none of your barrage procs

lol

[zenith tundra]

with cuda airstrike is 22.65s while with ryuusei 23.48

[buoyant parrot]

what do we have right now?

[buoyant parrot]

[random vault]

💦 needed 5 resets before i could beat a wasd amagi

torpmeme defense is a pain

[buoyant parrot]

Avrora people ain't moving...

[brittle hill]

Is Maya's torpedo skill the same as Takao and atago double torpedo or can it stack off itself repeatedly?

[zenith tundra]

why that can't stack of itself but ranger can

why the double measure

[shy hazel]

2 reasons why avrora isnt moving so i expect sandbagging sucks for people who dont lose

weekend and event

it should fare better when its weekdays

i dont know the actually reason though lol

[zenith tundra]

then i demand either double torp gets reload instead or ranger becomes barrage too

at least some torp ships will get some love

vg is equip dependent

bis

ofc

double cata + something

let's see with double cata

[shy hazel]

reminds me

nekonin dont talk in this channel much now

👀

[zenith tundra]

double cata

i would say even double btd in that

[ionic magnet]

13.9k amakaga wat

[zenith tundra]

full gold

kizuma ai dd already bad lol

[ionic magnet]

mine only has 13411 cos no hsfcr kek

[modern tree]

no wonder you arent winning shit with HMS

[zenith tundra]

that's double sg tho

[modern tree]

if you dont have HFCR

[zenith tundra]

my hsfcr is on nagato

[ionic magnet]

hmm dont think it changes a lot but yea

[modern tree]

It makes a difference between Hood shooting fast enough to kill a fox before second strike or not

which cuts the damge by like 70%

[zenith tundra]

how did u miss hsfcr

[ionic magnet]

i started playing on nep event

[modern tree]

I will be honest, HMS is unplayable without good gear. Actually unplayable

I'd try Reloader out of desperation

but its probably nowhere near fast enough

[zenith tundra]

u started playing on avrora that late

[ionic magnet]

yea just tried it out of nowhere cos of guildies from another game lol

hmm ill try reloader when i meet another worthy specimen xD

[zenith tundra]

i watched a stream when it was released in august and the game looked interesting

[ionic magnet]

but thats for foxes only really

against other comps idk

hood

[buoyant parrot]

i started to know Azur Lane when i was doing searches on google of "Ship Girls Lewd" I was looking into Kancolle stuff then it showed me some arts from azur lane then started checking into it

[modern tree]

I mean, the entire meta atm is foxes

people are really bad at leveling shit

[ionic magnet]

theyre coming

[zenith tundra]

lvl 110 is not that easy

imagine how much will it take for meta to reach 120

i'm farming already

i have 1m hiryuu 900k on amagi and nagato

[kind oak]

Is aurora good in pve/pvp?

[zenith tundra]

aurora is a great ship to be used with foxes in pvp

outside of that mostly meh

[shy hazel]

for pvp no level is hard

120 soon.tm

[ionic magnet]

aurora in pve

[kind oak]

Im thinking about foxes + nagato + jintsuu + aurora + ayaya . Will it work?

[zenith tundra]

i'm scared about vg ships for 2.3m

juneau tho

[ionic magnet]

lol

[zenith tundra]

i can put yukikaze in there somewhere

maybe i should switch out phoenix for belfast in d2

i think i can use her in boss fleet

juneau

rip my dmg tho

since i have sakura torp that do nothing to boss

so close

dd

dual fcr mogami

i'm gonna to try that too

i'll give pvp equip i try

[buoyant parrot]

its time to stop

[zenith tundra]

good for u i have 10k+ oil

[buoyant parrot]

[zenith tundra]

i got lucky 1 bb 1 cv and 1 cl siren

cl did almost nothing

are u using oxy tho?

i use bulge tear lol

2 medium bb 1 small light

[shy hazel]

👀

what

[versed atlas]

still no dice

[shy hazel]

i ve always did d2 with that fleet

4 on boss 2 on mobs

[zenith tundra]

belfast is costly so i couldn't afford her when nagato was out

[shy hazel]

though i was using phoenix and hunter girl

[buoyant parrot]

i was using belfast

[versed atlas]

do the nodes affect drops?

[shy hazel]

sirens do

[buoyant parrot]

had to tone her down really low so she won't go MvP over Nagato

[shy hazel]

normal nodes dont i guess

[versed atlas]

i mean, do you get more gun parts from BB nodes

[zenith tundra]

it affects what type of plate u get

[versed atlas]

yeah

i thought so

that's why i've been going for BB nodes

but it just dawned on me that i never checked whether this was actually the case

[zenith tundra]

main nodes are the only that drop main gun plates

[versed atlas]

also

nagatoooooooooooooooo where are youuuuuuuuuuuu

[zenith tundra]

how

[versed atlas]

the hell am i gonna do after the even twhen i wont get nagato

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

the box in red is her gear If I'm using her with Nagato

[shy hazel]

hooloovoo is in same situation as u

risk of not getting nagato

if i didnt get nagato this event i may have moved to jp

[versed atlas]

i am thinking of just quitting

[buoyant parrot]

if I miss a single colab ship I'm quitting

[versed atlas]

if i had known that nagato event was coming up

i would've probably skipped the previous event

[buoyant parrot]

you should have hang around here

people here always updated on what ship/event to prepare for

#degeneral is worthless of any info

[versed atlas]

doesnt realyl change anything now tho

i think this is an extremely bad thing for the game though

at least in the long run

because it means that if you take a break you can basically just stop playing

exactly

[zenith tundra]

till my belfast dies i won't change my equip

light armor

381 also sucks at damage

[buoyant parrot]

follow my belfast gear

[zenith tundra]

compared to 410 it hits way less

[buoyant parrot]

that prevents my Belfast from hitting MvP

[zenith tundra]

i was using +6 tbtsk and +0 120 on phoenix

when nagato didn't deal enough

[buoyant parrot]

wow people ain't really moving in PvP...

[zenith tundra]

it's weekend

[buoyant parrot]

Oh

then just put in there top gear N shit

[zenith tundra]

1m nagato

[pearl nimbus]

Which is better on Nagato as 2ndary triple 155m or single 127m?

[zenith tundra]

and i still have this

155 default. 127 is for better aa

[pearl nimbus]

Gotcha...

Well let's say I'm using Nagato-Amagi-Hiryuu, what should Amagi be running and what should Nagato be running in terms of 2ndary gun?

Cause I'm interested in running that comp in the near future.

[zenith tundra]

i use 2 dd guns for fox walling

[pearl nimbus]

Hmm, makes sense.

[zenith tundra]

wtf

nah only 81 difference

avrora where everyone is stacked

[split socket]

can't really compare since avrora got more players which naturally bumps up the avg pvp score

it'd be weird if they had lower than us

[buoyant parrot]

yeaaaaaah boi~

[split socket]

[zenith tundra]

4.5k chips for 60k pts in belchan event

that looks a pain to do

[buoyant parrot]

OOOOOOOH 4.5l chips

willing to go that far

[leaden sequoia]

wait, 1st version of Belchan event confirmed?

[zenith tundra]

i don't see why we would get rerun

i'm still confident we'll get them

it would be way too bad for en to not get them when the other servers got them

[maiden agate]

Is Namagiryuu a Wasda antidote or sth?

Certainly feels like it for me

[zenith tundra]

namaryuu rn feels pretty strong. it can easily deal with both foxes and wasd comps

[maiden agate]

I'll probably switch to it till shells

[zenith tundra]

i don't see namaryuu getting much worse with shells

[maiden agate]

It's gonna make Wasda less boring to watch

Right now stuff just takes too long to die

[zenith tundra]

ur gonna miss a lot more with shells around

[odd schooner]

Bacc

[zenith tundra]

why did u disappear?

some ppl were missing u already

[odd schooner]

Only way i could kill off all my oil i guess

[zenith tundra]

did u farm ships?

[odd schooner]

That and raise ships affection/lvl

[zenith tundra]

i'm stuck in d2 for another 15k pts

plus plenty of time to farm story maps with bel chan event

[charred sable]

Something is weird with my Juneau

She defies fate

[zenith tundra]

stip her naked and put her tank

[charred sable]

[odd schooner]

That's what usually happens on mid juneau

Wait, ppl switching to mid juneau now?

[zenith tundra]

she sometimes refuses to die off tank too

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

i used her mid when my vg was underleveled it kinda prevent her from dying too fast

[odd schooner]

Nvm that partm kinda reminded me something like 4 days ago

[zenith tundra]

i think i'm finally ready for the big moment... oathing juneau

[coral wren]

blasphemy, to not oath her while she was being useful when WASD came out in FW :C

ship abuser

[zenith tundra]

i never used wasd in wasde meta

i used hakaga

[coral wren]

ah

[elder crane]

I had Juneau non-oath until well after Amagi

[modest elbow]

so many amagi + enty in lex

i've fought 3 now

[elder crane]

She had so much trouble dying back then

[modest elbow]

one with wash as 3rd, another with sodak, and the third had hood

oh hey look, i got a 4th one with duke as 3rd member

[elder crane]

Centre Jun with leading Sheff over Bel rarely dies late at least

With Bel, either non-lead slot she occasionally dies too late (at least on offense)

But neither can she lead since she can occasionally get torpsniped

Yeah, and Bel is quite tanky herself

But you need that bulk on Bel so she gets to her smoke with zero risk of being torpsniped, I think

Well, very important to not get her torpsniped at least
Sheff on the other hand, is nice to not get torpsniped, but kinda w/e if she does

And with her protect not being frontloaded, Jun dies at a reasonable and more controllable time usually

And ofc a ykkz that lives is just that much more annoying

[charred sable]

Yeah, I have her as mid right now to test it out, top is still much better I think for taking damage

Bottom Belfast doesn't melt that fast, even against IJN teams

[zenith tundra]

i would still prefer juneau tank and have belfast and yukikaze alive for longer then just run sheffield as a sacrifice

belfast imo is far from useless past her smoke

[elder crane]

But mah unkillable ykkz memes!

Being serious, I think the bigger deal might be Sheff being better vs non-Akaga teams than Bel
For offense, not like NamagiH ever has issues with Akaga teams anyways

Bel for now probably the better choice for defense I think, though it's pretty hard to test def so hard to know for sure

[odd schooner]

There's still a lot of ppl going nakaga

[zenith tundra]

the only problems i have with juneau is rng torp and i would rather have her sink early then after my nagato

[odd schooner]

Only a handful on namagiryuu

[elder crane]

But you kill Nakaga hard anyways on offense, so little reason to tech harder imo

[odd schooner]

Wasd died out

[zenith tundra]

can't wait for people to spam reset against namaryuu with nakaga

[odd schooner]

@cerulean estuary still wasda right

Actually, there's wasdE ppl suddenly popping out lmao

but why

[zenith tundra]

enty is good vs ijn bb because of low aa

[odd schooner]

You guys have hfcr on amagi right

[zenith tundra]

nagato

[odd schooner]

Oh

Still outside lucky E?

[zenith tundra]

1st and 2nd nagato barrages are fine

3rd is on cloak

[odd schooner]

Sometimes i can hardly see her shells during barrage

Even with huge snowballs

[elder crane]

Making ppl pull out slow teams is good enough in my books

Plus WaSD teams are also an easy kill for attacker NamagiH, though not as much of one as Akaga ones

[odd schooner]

@buoyant parrot did you somehow influenced leohelo

On doing pvp again

Or I'm missing things out

[zenith tundra]

she's a counter. u can just equip 406 on amagi and gg enty

[dry socket]

currently experimenting with different main fleet ships in place of Amagi in Namaryuu for the storm of newer players to work with, though nothing seems to work nearly as well

precious defensive buffs

[zenith tundra]

i've been using hyuuga and kaga bb instead of hiryuu to try out

[dry socket]

I mean, yes, we can always run Namabaka or Namaga, but Hiryuu is currently permanently obtainable

[odd schooner]

It's hard to fill amagi role

[dry socket]

but newer players won't be able to get a chance to get their own Amagi for a few months

[odd schooner]

Her passives are important

[dry socket]

right, again, precious defense buffs

[elder crane]

New players might just be best off with HMS

[modest elbow]

maybe nagato + bunnies?

[elder crane]

Nagato Bunnies seems like it could be pretty decent

[modest elbow]

bunnies are pretty easy to grab,

[elder crane]

HMS I think is the best option for no event ships though, if we want to create a newb-friendly(ish) team that will always be relevant

Well, "always" for a few months

[zenith tundra]

nakaga should be better then bunnies till their retro

[dry socket]

Nagato-Akagi/Kaga-Hiryuu didn't go too well for the lack of the sister buff on either fox sister

[zenith tundra]

lvl 100 souryuu no affection and lvl 1 skill let's see

[odd schooner]

Long legs monster

Hmm gotta check skills for a bit

Oh escort fleet dmg

Ye question is, can it outdps nakaga

Bunnies

With hiryuu skill

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu can still carry against akaga tems tbh

[elder crane]

I was about to say "might be better off with barrage boat Kaga BB"
Since from my experience with Amagi/Hiryuu/Rando you want a third BB/BC
But then I realized what I was about to say

[zenith tundra]

against amakaga

[odd schooner]

Ryuusei?

[elder crane]

Hyuuga Retro might still outperf Souryuu

[zenith tundra]

shouldn't be a bad test

[elder crane]

Though with how much you're relying on Hiryuu, probs still better to buff Hiryuu with Souryuu

Oh lol I think the buff on Hiryuu for bringing Souryuu gave more dmg than Souryuu herself there

[zenith tundra]

souryuu shoot down by random torp

2nd time in a row

without souryuu being torp to death

[elder crane]

And after they start having missed Nagato too, HMS probably

[charred sable]

Juneau instant melts as tank, which wastes the heal

[elder crane]

All three are hard to get though

That's 5 really hard to get ships

[dry socket]

Souryuu at 110 and maxed skills may give good results

[elder crane]

Well, foxes less so

[odd schooner]

I'm going for the hms for newbies like blue said

[zenith tundra]

lost vg battle still win because hiryuu is broken

[elder crane]

mfw a recommended team has AKaga being the easiest members to get

[brittle hill]

Namagi+Hiryuu/flex, I feel like without Hiryuu kai wasd+Amagi and yukikaze still number 1 fleet?

[odd schooner]

Hakaga

[elder crane]

QE, Hood, WS, Bel, Jun, Something, for a easy-to-get HMS team?

[odd schooner]

Hakaga or HMS what do you prefer

[elder crane]

HMS defs

[odd schooner]

Ye hms has easier rolls

[elder crane]

HMS is better than Hakaga
It was at 100, will be even more so now
I think HMS stands a decent chance vs top teams, Hakaga I'm not so sure anymore

Decent chance as in not having to reset a million times

[bitter escarp]

Souryuu is almost dead weight, far too squish and only acts as buffer for hiryuu basically

[zenith tundra]

she's still a carrier and does what a carrier do

[odd schooner]

Centaur when

[zenith tundra]

just no skills outside of aviation boost

[odd schooner]

Lmao

[elder crane]

Carrier does.... nothing?

[bitter escarp]

She doesn’t do what a carrier does when she instadies to almost everything

[elder crane]

(without good skills/stats)

[odd schooner]

How about slapping an enterprise

[zenith tundra]

wipe vg and tons of suicide damage...

[odd schooner]

Wait

No

NagaryuuE

[bitter escarp]

the point is

dead souryuus dont strike

[elder crane]

I'd take a BB in that slot if no major synergies

[odd schooner]

Oh we're still on the newbie fleet topic

[elder crane]

Barrage BB ideally, probably

[zenith tundra]

souryuu isn't any weaker then hiryuu as hp. it's hiryuu skill that is broken

[bitter escarp]

her HP is actually 200 less than hiryuu

and she doesnt have hiryuu skill

shes very squish

[elder crane]

Kinda goes to show how broken Hiryuu's skill is

Literally complete trash(-ish) outside of it

Oh, I though invul was proced

not close at all then, in sense that win was assured from that point

[bitter escarp]

part of the reason why hiryuu's survivability isnt so bad HP wise is because of amagi, but with putting souryuu in you're kicking out amagi. Souryuu is not as durable as Hiryuu HP wise.

[zenith tundra]

bunnies hp is worse then foxes even after retro

[bitter escarp]

thats cause foxes have pretty damn good HP

[zenith tundra]

juneau off tank and why i hate it

[bitter escarp]

honestly in pvp off tank takes the least damage unless fleet movement rng decides to make them be in the front for the majority of the fight

so yeah juneau in off tank is a big nono for me

[elder crane]

I think 2nd slot takes more damage than 3rd now in PvP, usually

[bitter escarp]

yep, especially if 1st slot dies quick

[elder crane]

At least that's what HP dists on ships seem to say most times I look

[bitter escarp]

basically just passes on tanking role to 2nd slot

[zenith tundra]

the problem with off tank is eating torp

[elder crane]

Oof, did your rear get torped or something?

Or barrages too sometimes

[bitter escarp]

ive been running into a bunch of nakaga/amakaga fleets that i feel like the foxes have junkers or something instead, is this a running trend thats been happening to pvp

or is it just me

[elder crane]

Some ppl are convinced extra speed wins the mirrors

[zenith tundra]

maybe just yellow skill for nagato maxed

[elder crane]

I'm not so sure myself, though haven't tested much

I may have helped start that rumour....

I was talking about comets though

which have a significant launch time diff, not Ju/BTD, which is minimal

[bitter escarp]

This looks fun to test against

[zenith tundra]

if yukikaze eats a bad luck torp she's out and that's more rng then i'd rather have tbh

[bitter escarp]

as for comets, maybe big emphasis on maybe if you put it on kaga since her db efficiency is bad anyways, the extra aviation and launch speed will help her smack some bitches with her ryuusei but idk

[elder crane]

That's why you go max speeed on the comp

use the first two ships to sweep seas clean of torps

At least that's what I'm trying out

[zenith tundra]

i use 3 boilers but beaver is not in my plans

[elder crane]

My reasoning was, Nakaga mirrors tend to overkill
1st strike can't fully kill, but 2nd overkills a lot (or so I'm supposing for this analysis)
So, if your 2nd hits ahead enough, that should be advantage
And losing some dmg isn't too bad since you overkill anyways

[trail hollow]

Team eyeglasses 🤔

[elder crane]

I heard about that strat from CN/JP discussions, I think

[zenith tundra]

that's nakaga mirror

[elder crane]

Back from when CNJP was all Nakaga mirrors

[zenith tundra]

i don't think there will be that many if not easy clap for anything that isn't nakaga

[trail hollow]

Hmm.. i tried going against a completed nakaga team.. but WASD still wins

yes im biased

[zenith tundra]

it shoudl still win

[elder crane]

Does it win consistently?

[trail hollow]

I have both teams finished.. wasd still more reliable

[dry socket]

you're going to need to do more than a single test if you want to experiment with nakaga v wasd

Nakaga's a coinflip, making things more or less complicated

[elder crane]

WaSD without Amagi still stood up to Nakaga during its reign of terror on CN, or so I hear
It was just that people on CN at that point rarely had Wash, and JP didn't have period

[trail hollow]

It can work better with 120 and better gears like 818 and PR steering

[elder crane]

Though ofc that was with 120, shells, and PR

[trail hollow]

I dont use amagi with wasd

Im still doing fairly well

[elder crane]

and by "stood up" I mean most tier lists had it higher up

[trail hollow]

I just hate amagis design more or less

I dont like enty at all so shes out of the question

[elder crane]

I suppose you don't like Hiryuu either

[trail hollow]

Why im waiting for a better wild card for wasd

Hiryu is cool, specially her school skin

[elder crane]

Huh, colour me surprised

Hood was also a good WaSD flex slot option

[zenith tundra]

if u don't want to use any of nakaga counter just reset and have fun

[trail hollow]

Yeah i still use hood

The milisecond difference she gives with her reload buff helps alot

Im pretty sure ive throw out my comp here a couple of times alrdy

[modest elbow]

any future wildcards for wasd?

[elder crane]

Hood is mainly used for barrage...

Massachoochoo

[zenith tundra]

essex in august

[trail hollow]

Ppl always judge not putting amagi for wasd

The only change i made since fw was replacing eld with yukikaze

[zenith tundra]

she doesn't go before nakaga 2nd airstrike anymore

not sure in hms

[elder crane]

She didn't without HFCR before

[zenith tundra]

i tried hakaga earlier and she didn't go before airstrike

[trail hollow]

I use nakaga for offense thou,

[elder crane]

It was a veeeeery tight timing before

[trail hollow]

Pretty fast wins to climb faster

I rarely switch to wasd for attacking now

The only thing i probably hate about nakaga is missing the torps at 10sec

Or dive bombs

Im kinda hoping to use HMS with monarch.. but idk if that can compete with the foxes

[zenith tundra]

monarch shouldn't have problems killing a fox

but idk her dmg

u can just put ws with monarch

[trail hollow]

Same, wasnt playing jp anymore when pr released there

[elder crane]

I think monarch might be able to 2nd barrage before fox 2nd strike

With Hood in team (and maybe without?)

[zenith tundra]

bot monarch might just get enough reload

[trail hollow]

Probably.. well, HMS vangs for pvp are mostly sturdy anyways

Maybe throw in yukikaze even, and jesus too

[elder crane]

RIP fortune

Completely outclassed, even in home field

[trail hollow]

Poor cockroach

[elder crane]

Has her Kai too so little chance of becoming viable again

[zenith tundra]

she just isn't tanky enough

[bitter escarp]

and she does literally 0 damage

[trail hollow]

She dies when she fails to evade

[elder crane]

She was designed back when having lots of evasion meant something, I think

Base-stat wise

Traded HP for more Eva

[trail hollow]

Before nagato, sendai and aurora was a thing i guess she was doing well

[zenith tundra]

aurorra pushed her off meta

[trail hollow]

I mean eldridge was a thing

[zenith tundra]

aurora pushed her off meta

[elder crane]

Even then, not as amazing as ykkz would have been

[trail hollow]

I even had her oathed

[elder crane]

I'm talking about the really old mechanics change from early-CN

Scrap to recover ring

[trail hollow]

Pvp back then was simple

Both akaga? Then the better gear wins, or enty kek

[charred sable]

"Scrap to recover ring"

Wait, is that a real mechanic?

lol, guess someone found out the hard way

[shy hazel]

divorce

[charred sable]

Mind break

[trim horizon]

oh god oh fuck im about to miss 1 tix

[real notch]

cus it seems wLOL

[shy hazel]

rip u

[grave gale]

Scrapping someone to take back a wedding ring to give to somebody else. How cruel can you get?

[leaden sequoia]

Technically you don't scrap, just retire

Though leaving an ex-shipfu alive to witness her ring being given to another one can be considered even more cruel

[hybrid obsidian]

@real notch im lil fish

[vague token]

o.O

[ionic magnet]

there's nothing more cruel than pretending to love someone you don't

[hybrid obsidian]

how very deep

[real notch]

@hybrid obsidian

If you are little fish i am a micro bacteria

[vague token]

still cant test cause nagato and sheffield arent 110 max skeelz X_x

but i got a +1 so that's nice

[leaden sequoia]

if you are confident that your subpar fleet can guarantee a 8/10 winrate or higher, that's pretty much a proof of a meta fleet already

[vague token]

xD

[leaden sequoia]

but it's time-consuming so that's a kinda madman's way to do things

[vague token]

just starting sheffield's gun skill X_x

although i dunno how much it factors in lol

hmm, im tempted to try wichita under sheffield someday

[vague token]

too bad astoria's skill requires a 2nd minne class cruiser =/

otherwise she could be a fun solo cruiser too

[odd schooner]

Didn't know the chevron on nagato barrage can instakill a vg

[hybrid tendon]

when it procs

[buoyant parrot]

@odd schooner did not lol... I think his trying to get number 1 in all ranking. He's number 1 right now in collection so is fleet power. He want to snag excerice as well. We won't let him :)

[odd schooner]

You have contact with him right

Lmao

[shy hazel]

gurren is back

[vague token]

he's back!

xD

[buoyant parrot]

Ain't going to talk to a whale that eats other whale

[vague token]

o.O

[buoyant parrot]

Oh Wai t I think i might have confused leohelo to imnotleo

[lament lichen]

This guy

[buoyant parrot]

I am Confucius

[vague token]

[maiden agate]

What do ppl use on Hiryuu in Namagiryuu? The usual stuff?

[lament lichen]

Yup

[maiden agate]

So Reppu Helldiver Cuda

[lament lichen]

You can use pirate instead of reppu

[vague token]

you only use ryuusei post kai i think

since she'll get extra planes to cover the focus fire

(and 120 durability)

[coral wren]

been using ryuusei all the time

it just REKTS the backlines

[vague token]

yeah

fun part of sara is she comes with aim torps on her skill xD

[shy hazel]

sara became ijn spy

[buoyant parrot]

Fascinating

[vague token]

oh god

atakao

lol

and akaga

xD

i still wish sara had line torps, would work better as a debuffer

but it is hilarious when vanguard is dead

[noble gyro]

here we go again

[shy hazel]

mirror it

[zenith tundra]

that's not even max

[vague token]

no hiryuu oath

0/10

[ionic magnet]

mutsu 👀

[vague token]

that's a rename

lol

[coral wren]

hf with lanski lol

[craggy cove]

Oof, lost another today. Guess Hiryuu's skill activated early and I didn't catch it

[vague token]

oh booooo

=(

[coral wren]

unlucky

[craggy cove]

Once I'm done leveling Nagato I really need to get back on the Jintsuu farm

cause Junaeu is a crutch I don't want to keep using

[vague token]

lol

[craggy cove]

Rank 70

[vague token]

how many matches left owo

[craggy cove]

0 until next reset

[vague token]

oh ok

[craggy cove]

2 losses so far this season

[vague token]

it's about the time for me to sleep through a reset

usually happens half way

xD

[shy hazel]

i probably dont have any losses

im not rly sure i i slept on one or not

lol

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

i think i slept on one last time but my score was higher than ppl here

who didnt lose a round

so im not so sure anymore

[vague token]

you had a good bonus point set didnt you?

[shy hazel]

not necessarily

this season actualy sucks for me

cos event

less ppl grind pvp

[vague token]

what are you at anyways xD

[shy hazel]

1280

8/10

[vague token]

you're ahead of me, 1260 9/10

didnt you get like +39 and +38 at the start?

or was that someone else

[zenith tundra]

i got that

[vague token]

oh

no idea then

[zenith tundra]

ur 44 pts ahead of me

considering i'm 4 behind and not sandbagging

[shy hazel]

i never got anything higher

than 32

on start

[vague token]

huh

well you magically are godlike

you win!

xD

[shy hazel]

i mean we all know it zack

the lowr your rank the easier it is to get bites

👀

[zenith tundra]

sure when i spam attempts just to find good fleets to test

[shy hazel]

im not the type if person who wakes up midnight to earn points anyways

pretty okay to me rn

[trim horizon]

1288 5/10 skipped 2 attempts

[vague token]

id have to get pretty lucky to get 10 more points to match 1280 8/10

aka impossible now ;)

[shy hazel]

lets see if its possible to top ten with casual sandbagging

[zenith tundra]

forget it

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

unless is like last season when gurren got top 10 with 1 behind

less in points

[lament lichen]

its still possible

[shy hazel]

doesnt hurt to try anywys

[lament lichen]

i got top 5 with one missed attempt

[zenith tundra]

that's with god tier sandbagging tho

[trim horizon]

2 attempts missed on Sandy

[zenith tundra]

with 4 behind it already is pretty hard to get aotn in avrora unless u sandbag back points

[shy hazel]

guess well just have to see it well

as long as i dont nap

on resets

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

I think i was 15 points behind from the rest of you guys on day 1 lmao

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

i think my initials were very bad though

[zenith tundra]

the only season i got a good start i wasted it

[shy hazel]

famine actually lurks in trophy room

but he don wanna discuss sangbagging skills

[vague token]

1am alarm

wake up and get my +2

4am alarm

wake up again another +1

xD

[shy hazel]

theyre like the kind of ppl who doesnt rely much on first initials

ultra sandbag on latter part

[hybrid obsidian]

just need 1 +1 then just spend it all

[coral wren]

What frontline do I use with nagato

[vague token]

x/ykk/juneau is a solid baseline

unless you want to do something different

[coral wren]

what is x

anything?

[vague token]

yeah flex slot

based on what you want

[coral wren]

aurora?

[vague token]

so

depends on nagato backline

like

aurora would work with nagato foxes

[coral wren]

nagato amagi and hiryuu

[vague token]

oh

she might die early if you arent careful

i wouldnt do a 100% lock in for that slot really

like, change it based on your opponent

[coral wren]

Is nagato with foxes better?

[vague token]

na

the style is different is all

[coral wren]

I just don't want to reset

I lose many games cuz I forget to reset

[vague token]

although supposedly nagato foxes gets walled by sufficiently prepped namagi hiryuu

if the data holds

[trim horizon]

ykkz+jesus+x

[vague token]

someone needs to comment besides meee

[shy hazel]

generally