pvp

[bitter escarp]

She does

[elder crane]

She has the 400 AA thing, yep

[bitter escarp]

400+ at 120

[vague token]

xD

beeeefy

[elder crane]

Standard 100% AA eff though

[vague token]

i mean we dont expect backlines to actually shoot down planes

[elder crane]

Oh damn, wish I had resets like that

[vague token]

;)

[bitter escarp]

110% actually

[vague token]

unless sanshiki gets the ability to shoot planes

top kek

[elder crane]

I'm at +0 +0 +0 +2

[vague token]

0/0/0/0/+4

xD

yeah fdg seems like weak to hiryuu kai

with ryuusei

if she has standard german boat bad aa

[bitter escarp]

Not sure how much difference extra 10% makes but it’s something

[vague token]

woo!

xD

[elder crane]

She has ~250 base, FdG, not terrible

comparable to Dork/QE

[bitter escarp]

Even if her AA is lacking, her HP pool is too damn thicc

And her damage reduc

[elder crane]

FdG HP isn't that much more than Georgia

Though the Dred skill is there

[bitter escarp]

She has like 1.6k more

That’s a good amount

[buoyant parrot]

[elder crane]

Her eHP vs planes will be equal or better than that of Wash/SoDak (depends on if the datamine I'm looking at is lv100 or lv120)
So, planes don't seem like it'll be too much issue

[bitter escarp]

And if you have Amagi tag along, FDG will be staying around quite a while

[elder crane]

Georgia ofc will still be more survivable vs planes, by a bit, though much less vs shelling

[bitter escarp]

Carriers are fallin off over there anyways

[elder crane]

Yep, really only HiryuuKai and Centaur seen in top teams

[vague token]

they'd have to buff carrier damage when uncontested or something

but not against vanguard

[elder crane]

God, can you imagine FdG with Amagi and Graf? Will be super tanky (very unlikely to be worth running Graf for)

[dry socket]

How would Nagato's barrage do against FdG? I never check the damage of the double arrows

[elder crane]

chevrons is 5k base, +2.5k for wide spread

FdG is about 3k total, but all wide spread it seems

[bitter escarp]

Wouldn’t bet on big 7 Sakura to deal with Freddie, since arrows can be eaten up by vanguard and low proc chance anyways

[elder crane]

Big7 is comparison is about 7k wide spread

So if FdG's spread is as wide as I think it is, the barrage on her will be pretty meh

[bitter escarp]

Part of Freddie’s barrage are those salvos though, how much of the damage is the salvos

[dry socket]

Unreliable, but it sounds like a lazy alternative that works

[elder crane]

181x4, 35x36 is FdG's barrage raw dmg

HE/Normal

[vague token]

o.o, that was fast

[bitter escarp]

So the salvos do roughly 720

[elder crane]

I have the datamine sheet out

[vague token]

ah

[elder crane]

Amagi is ~1.8k base on BB shots, 0.9 k each straight and targeted

Hood is ~2k base

Nagato's the only one here with nice round numbers

[bitter escarp]

If only big 7 Sakura had 70% proc

[dry socket]

There has been talk about how FdG's barrage is as wide as the Big 7 barrage

[elder crane]

Hood is about 2.25k base, correction

[dry socket]

and with those stats and considering a screen barrage, that doesn't sound good for PvP

[elder crane]

It seems to have a narrow core of 4 shots as well, according to datamine?

[bitter escarp]

Part of it is wide scattershots, part of it is aimed salvos tho

[dry socket]

181x4, yep

[elder crane]

lower than Amagi's straight BB shots or targeted BB ships base
though ofc higher FP means it's probs about comparable, with under half of a Amagi barrage

Though not comparable with Nagato-buffed Amagi, hmm

[dry socket]

I'll be lazy and stick with Nagato for the sake of promoting coinflip warfare

[elder crane]

So, overall FdG looks like her damage in PvP will be good but not amazing, with her main strength being that HP/eHP

[dry socket]

Her barrage seems best for PvE and her 2nd salvo may be able to take down bosses quickly

[vague token]

she must be related to prinz with those hp values

xD

[dry socket]

Just seeing bars of HP disappearing

[elder crane]

Azuma the new tankiest Van, maybe

Speaking on that, thoughts on new IJNs for PvP van?

[vague token]

what, the black heart skill on a destroyer?

xD

[dry socket]

A wall of torpedoes sound nice

[vague token]

even though she has like torp skills and a torp barrage

why'd they even give her the ignore armor skill again?

[dry socket]

Azuma just seems like a large pile of HP with decent spice on top; Yukikaze still hits an SS on defense and support for me

and would probably be my preference over Jintsuu v2

[elder crane]

No preload torps seems pretty bleh, for PvP
Nah, not really, she seems more gun-focused for equipment-wise
Kitakaze actually nerfs herself vs light armor though

[vague token]

does kitakaze even have the firepower to use her gun skill lol

86, 15% boost with an ijn gun

that's pretty bad

105 efficiency

is this a joke?

[elder crane]

Oh wait nvm DD normal is 100% vs light

She runs the 100mm ofc, for 120 efficiency with skill

You'd be using that anyways for her EX, probably

[vague token]

i mean

that's still tickling enemies

even though black heart is garbage

at least the skill makes sense with CA guns

only advantage of kitakaze is that she has actual durability

[elder crane]

86 base FP MGM+1 120 eff DD gun, sounds like it's comparable to MGM+1 CLs, aka okayish

[vague token]

unlike other gun destroyers

[dry socket]

A wall of torps has its uses; she's less capable when it comes to firepower compared to Ibuki, but more powerful in potential torp damage

which is what I assumed

[elder crane]

her EX barrage seems pretty powerful
Kita doesn't get preload torps though

And her torp-launch skill is worse than a torp salvo

[vague token]

na a 1.2 multiplier

is still worse

than say

[elder crane]

it's more like half of one

[vague token]

montpelier's 75%

on her dd gun

[elder crane]

You sure on that?

gun dmg scales with FP+100

[vague token]

ok will math one moment

[elder crane]

CL firepower base doesn't hit 200

[shy hazel]

im more worried about like

how to get 20k gold per day

to maximize

u know

pr1 bp comms

[elder crane]

(170*1.12+45+45+100)*.65-(86*1.12+45+100)*1.2 < 0
Kitakaze DD gun does more than Montpelier secondary at least XD

[vague token]

.75

on mont

[grave gale]

easy if you do the 1.2k commission twice a day.

[elder crane]

Hmm, then it's almost the same, kita still a bit higher

though CLs have their main guns too ofc

[vague token]

i mean it's a straight damage boost

it's just that

she cant use it

as much as others could

like imagine z23

with that skill

pewpew sinking all the peeps

[elder crane]

Waaaait a sec

Kita EX doesn't have torps?

[vague token]

where does it say that?

preloaded torps would be farther down in dev list i imagine

and no one has gotten that far?

or mined it?

[elder crane]

Kita doesn't have preload torps, yep

[vague token]

oof

yeah her gun damage wont carry that then lol

[elder crane]

She has the torpskill instead, simulating her WoWS TRB

unleashes a 72X6 torp barrage 10s in, then again every 10 torpedo hits (I assume from mounted torpedos only)

Hmm, I need to check kita's EX barrage

[vague token]

i mean

she is the most durable in terms of raw hp

she's basically a smol CL

like sendai class hp lol

[elder crane]

Still a bit short of ykkz since ykkz's skill, I think

[vague token]

yeah

she's a CL gunner

with a neat torp skill

but uses a DD gun

[elder crane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiYgTEAS-wk&feature=youtu.be
The vid I'm referring to, btw
since I'm not on JPCN myself anymore

[vague token]

[elder crane]

Datamine is separate

[vague token]

she'll be usable but probably not pvp

unless you just want to

xD

223 reload is fun

actually you know, she is a better Poi

as like a generalist

boosts gun, torp barrage

but more durable

[elder crane]

Waaait a sec here, I need to find a new datamine

[vague token]

no evade boost though

xD

[elder crane]

doesn't have torps in barrage listed, ffml

[dry socket]

Kitakaze's wall of torps shouldn't be hard to land and facetorps should make another wall of torps possible soon after

[vague token]

but hey, she has a sword larger than herself

so that's fun

she can hang out with ayanami as sword destroyers

xD

[dry socket]

unless the six torps from the barrage count towards the 10 torp requirement

[elder crane]

Question is how kita's extra torps skill works with torps from skill
I don't think it activates with torps on skill

Ah, yep XD

[vague token]

rip

[elder crane]

Overall, looks like a PvE ship, very high sustained DpS instead of burst

Azuma kinda looks to be in similar situation
Unless her main guns work like the short 283s, and can hit main fleet

[dry socket]

Azuma — High survivability as a tank
FdG — Warspite kai's sister in sniping
Georgia — High chance to crit on scattered bombardment
These three seem to be the most viable in PvP

[elder crane]

She lacks the speed of PR Louis sadly
Same fate as Roon, I suppose

FdG is defs not a sniper, she doesn't focus shots like WSkai

As dmg dealer, imo from what I see, FdG is great but not outstanding
Main draw is being the tankiest main fleet ship as well, I think

Her main gun hits hard, but is unfocused
And her barrage seems overall on the weak side for PvP

[dry socket]

sniping in terms of high burst damage with capability of OHKOing a leveled unit(s)
our fragile meta will crumble at that

Warspite deletes ships, yeee, but it's one by one down the line

[vague token]

didnt azuma say her range get boosted?

or was that not a thing

[elder crane]

Her main guns do only like 1.2-1.3 times that of the hard hitters we already have
And her barrage on paper is at best half of that of something like Amagi's

[vague token]

oh wait no, she doesnt get range boost

would her theoretical 310mm have the same range as a BB gun?

[elder crane]

FdG will likely do less dmg overall, or at best equal to, our current barragers, and will have that dmg more spread out

[vague token]

so azuma could just shoot backline?

[elder crane]

That's my question, she could be interesting for PvP if she targets main fleet over vanguard, even if just some of the time

[vague token]

yeah

cause i know the shark guns

while bad

specifically say they shoot farthest

but i dont think their range is enough

to go that far

unless your vanguard pushes all the way up

aka rng

oh hey

310 is on wiki

lol

65 range

i dunno if that's enough

[elder crane]

Is that the ingame range, cause we know that ingame listed range is a lie

[vague token]

wiki range

no idea how much that is

in the game

[elder crane]

65 iirc would be the longest in-game listed range of any vanguard gun
Except for maybe the 283?

[vague token]

283 is 60

so yeah

i dunno about that

5 range units probably still wont help you consistently aim backline

=/

[elder crane]

The wiki lists in-game given range, based on what is given for other guns
We know actual range =/= in-game given range
I suppose all we can do is hope then that there's a large discrepancy here

[dry socket]

The second wave of PR ships seem generally PvE focused

[elder crane]

Georgia and FdG have serious PvP potential

Rest, yeah.

[dry socket]

Georgia sounds great

Heaven's shells do thousands of damage to the back

[elder crane]

FdG seems possibly questionable on the dmg side, defs not amazing there (for PvP), but seems like she should be suuuuuper tanky

[dry socket]

and throw in a crit boost

I would probably declare her the best of the second line for PvP

first part of the barrage should hit the backline and the second the frontline

[vague token]

and we finally get an orbital strike =D

[elder crane]

Will be interesting to see, as they come online PvP meta might shift to just low-synergy "good ships" strats in CNJP

[vague token]

ws kai georgia "just blow everything up" comp

[dry socket]

looking for Enty uses in the future

though if she's unreliable now, I doubt a change in the future

[vague token]

enty will be reliable when she gets her inevitable retro

or alterprise

aka years from now

[dry socket]

keep wishing

[elder crane]

Tack on Amagi there probs
Also FdG/Amagi "good luck killing me" comp might be possible

[vague token]

[dry socket]

[vague token]

i mean she's the poster girl of the game

[random vault]

fdg amagi warkai

💦

[vague token]

there's no way she isnt getting something

[dry socket]

poster girl's decent enough

[vague token]

maybe in pve

xD

[dry socket]

same went for Sara and her kai—decent enough is fine

[vague token]

i mean in an era of ws kai

decent isnt good enough anymore

=/

you gotta be busted

[dry socket]

right, right

[vague token]

like sure i can get away with sara kai atm

[elder crane]

Well, the airspace thing finally forced CV use in PvE
Just PvP now that is low on CVs

[vague token]

but clock is ticking xD

[dry socket]

Georgia-Essex-Warspite for a CV comp might work

[vague token]

that is a lot of damage boost vs battleship lol

[elder crane]

Maybe a VicKai eventually will make her the BB killer her AL incarnation was designed to be

[vague token]

ooh

drag tirpitz out of her neet cave with ultimate power

xD

[dry socket]

This must be the Sandy kai experience

[vague token]

so

50% arced reduction

50% vs battleship only

not bbc

xD

nor bbv

because game mechanics

top kek

[elder crane]

Yeah, double kick in the teeth for ships like Enty and Sarakai having a 70% double dmg vs all

[vague token]

sara kai's is better than double damage

cause it doesnt care about plane damage

it just does a billion damage

i swapped to zero/comet/comet

still does a billion damage

xD

[elder crane]

Vic does only 50% more and conditional

[vague token]

rip

like, owari da at least requires you use proper planes since it's a multiplier

sara just says

yeah screw the rules

[elder crane]

oh wait nvm it's 20%

[vague token]

yeah it's tiny

[elder crane]

that's worse than IJN CV pairing buff

[vague token]

yep

not like any of the hms Armored Carriers get as good of a skill as taihou anyways

[elder crane]

Needs to be at least 100% probably to be even begin to be considered

[vague token]

if they all did they'd be way better

like if illustrious had sakura armored carrier in addition

she'd be interesting

shrug off pain and protect your vanguard

might be busted in pve though

xD

[elder crane]

+100% vs BB/BC, -50% long-range shelling, I think would be what it takes for Vic to have the role she's clearly intended to have in AL
though I suppose raid carrier being present prevents that big of a dmg increase, or it'd be absurd with good RNG

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

gascogne sounds like a pain in the ass to use manually lol

have to aim 2 cannons

[buoyant parrot]

PvP slow

move poeple

[maiden agate]

There's still hope for HMS CV. They have many prominent one still not released

Though I doubt any of them could beat Centaur's bonkers stat

[shy hazel]

i just wonder

who got picked for new mod

[vague token]

[vague token]

dear god no one is moving

[cobalt ore]

can ppl stop putting nagato on pvp defense

[shy hazel]

why

[random vault]

its ez win, dont see whats the issue

[blazing scroll]

[modern tree]

Hahahahaha suffer

[shy hazel]

daxam is evil

[modern tree]

Mindlessly grind like I do or dieeee

But honestly, I have been through all the stages of casual pvp player, like "put up easy fleets", "why are resets a thing" and "do you really expect me to sit at my attempts to get points?", but now I am just looking for someone to make me reset. Unfortunately Sandy

[hot creek]

a couple opponents ive come across this season already have had good fleets surplrisingly

https://puu.sh/DgPE5/bf2af23567.png PogChamp

[shy hazel]

xyzone is a regular here

[buoyant parrot]

perfect experimental specimen

[shy hazel]

@trim horizon

[hot creek]

orly

[buoyant parrot]

I need something like that

[ionic magnet]

met a namagi+hiryuu earlier

hms cant do shit

[modern tree]

I don't believe that

[ionic magnet]

did you fight a namgi+hiryuu already?

[modern tree]

I fought a maxed Hood Illustrious Enterprise

[ionic magnet]

its this guy

went 1 win - 7 losses then i messed up and died

[shy hazel]

rip u

[hot creek]

if namagi with roach frontline gets popular, I think eldrdidge is gonna make a comeback

[modern tree]

All I see in top 500 atm is trash

[ionic magnet]

well its not like avrora has a lot maxed namagis also

first time i saw one

nagamon is still 105 too kek

[modern tree]

I mean, it doesn't help that people from sandy that have means to put up real fleets just don't.

[ionic magnet]

oof

that's a rare case

but yea

[modern tree]

They are all in this chat and I am judging them

[hot creek]

am I being judged for not having full oath, feelsbadman.

[real notch]

[modern tree]

Also, chibi Zeppelin is real. What is this world we live in

Tirpitz will finally have 2 cvs to run with

[midnight heron]

im in sandy and my gud ships arent lvled D: dont salt da wound

[real notch]

it's ok daxam is salting the ones that put up bulin fleets all season long

[midnight heron]

yea rest assured once i got dem lvled imma make them kick ur ass >:D

[lament lichen]

so

we getting 4 kizuna ais

[random vault]

?

[lament lichen]

kizuna ai collab has 4 boats

BB/CA/CL as SSR

DD as elite

[split socket]

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[ionic magnet]

source?

oh

[coral wren]

Dosnt she only activate after like 20 secs?

By then most ships will have shot their barrages and only hiryuus planes will be immuned

Well then.

Gg namahiryuu is beaten

Just with a single eld

I wonder why no one is doing it in CN

[split socket]

ykkz juneau & eldridge ?

stall for days

[coral wren]

I see.

[buoyant parrot]

I hope you guys run into my fleet kek~

[split socket]

I hope so too

[real notch]

LMO KEK

wait is that aichan collab coming for EN too?

on 4/26

[midnight heron]

the ssr are called super gamer, elegant, anniversary

[split socket]

they didn't write what class, so u'll have to guess from image

[midnight heron]

then sr is just kizuna ai

yea no class stated

[coral wren]

Would u say hiryuu is more of a bully or a mischievous one?

In her school girl skin

[buoyant parrot]

she's a delinquent

[coral wren]

Ok delinquent roon it is

[buoyant parrot]

Kizuna Ai is a DD

[midnight heron]

my guess is: super gamer = bb, anniversary = carrier, elegant = cl/ca

[buoyant parrot]

oh? is there a bunch of variation of her?

[midnight heron]

yea 3 ssr 1 sr

[buoyant parrot]

ahhhh

[coral wren]

I hope she dosnt count to collection. So I can skip her and save cubes

[split socket]

she looks like a member of japanese schoolgirl gang in the 70s

hiryuu ^

[buoyant parrot]

can't skip... otherwise my OCD will make me quit this game

[split socket]

collabs don't count towards collection

[coral wren]

My biggrst regret is to get all nep skips

Spent like 300usd on them

[buoyant parrot]

it is part of my collection obligation

[coral wren]

Plus skins

[coral wren]

Yeah. I will probly have to get her too :/

[blazing scroll]

Gotta catch them all

[coral wren]

I got a skin and my ocd forced me to buy all the rest of them. Rip 3k gems

[buoyant parrot]

same

I have all their stupid skins

[coral wren]

[split socket]

missing an event ship is no biggie, since they'll eventually get rerun

collabs however, that might have been ur only chance

[coral wren]

We are cursed

[split socket]

not taking any chances :x

[midnight heron]

i didnt get nepu heart

[buoyant parrot]

this OCD disease will be the death of our wallet

[coral wren]

300 usd for what 8 ships that u wont ever use

[ionic magnet]

[buoyant parrot]

well we have no choice

otherwise we quit the game entirely

[coral wren]

They can make collab ships usegul

Haha

Useful

[ionic magnet]

just get more money easy

[coral wren]

Fk u just solved my problem

Ty sir

[ionic magnet]

[buoyant parrot]

I need le money for my migration to Bacon Land

[coral wren]

This sounds good? Or is it too long

I thought bully roon was short and nice but u guys say she is something else xD

[buoyant parrot]

Oh Canada~ The home of Bacon Land~
True pastries love~ with all thy sauce command~

[split socket]

https://www.dazeddigital.com/fashion/article/28261/1/remembering-japans-badass-70s-schoolgirl-gangs @coral wren

[coral wren]

Oh oh wow lul

[split socket]

Sukeban Roon

😄

[coral wren]

I think Delinquent sounds better

Sukeban is only the one crew tho right

[split socket]

from wiki "Sukeban (スケバン/女番/スケ番) means delinquent girl or boss girl in Japanese, equivalent to the male banchō. A dictionary of Japanese slang[1] says that sukeban only refers to the leader of a girl gang, not any member of the girl gang.[2]"

[coral wren]

Ohhhh

Isnt souryuu the sukeban then

She is the elder

XD

[real notch]

she's the opposite

[buoyant parrot]

we are on our 5th day for this season but it feels like we're on the final 4 days coz people aint moving...

[coral wren]

Oh fk. She is counselor

[split socket]

pretty much, shes in the student council iirc?

[coral wren]

Ahhh. Rip

[split socket]

president even maybe?

[midnight heron]

she is da senate

[buoyant parrot]

It pretty much safe to say now that Namabaka is T0

so far I've fought a Namaryuu lineup 15 games = 0 lose

but need more data

Zack is also running Namabaka so gonna wait for him

[split socket]

what if nep gets rerun

[buoyant parrot]

Gonna stick to Namabaka until Monarch comes out

well "UNTIL MONARCH CAN BE USED" 2-3 months

[split socket]

I can't get "raw idiot" out of my head everytime I see that abbr

[storm pasture]

I still remember last time i asked how fair baga in pvp. Someone say she is not good

[coral wren]

Never listen to ppl

[shy hazel]

that time nagato wasnt here yet

[coral wren]

Cant blame anyone but ur self if u listen to other ppl

[shy hazel]

and 110 wasnt here yet

iirc

nagato and 110 greatly boosted kgbb

[storm pasture]

And i was preparing to set a fleet with nagato and asking about baga

[shy hazel]

no one tested until like

4 days ago

[coral wren]

I remmeber when my teacher said if i dontlisten in class i will work in mcdonalds. Well guess what. I work at burger king. Git fkee teacher.

[storm pasture]

How come no one tested this comp in jp or cn before you guys?

[shy hazel]

no one needs kagabb in jp

they have way better ships

[coral wren]

They are not as smart as these ppl here

[buoyant parrot]

because back then their not getting the time like how fast we're getting things here in E

[shy hazel]

so they didnt bother using her

[buoyant parrot]

and yeah their getting better ship than us back then

meanwhile here in EN we have limited options

so we have to extract all bullshit we can get our hands on

[shy hazel]

testing in jp wont apply to en too

[lament lichen]

They have pr boats so

[shy hazel]

jp got 120 and better pr gears

[storm pasture]

@coral wren i retired my only copy of mogami before i know how good she is when i read guides, So thanks. Imma asking around first before i do something

[shy hazel]

just be active here

👀

[buoyant parrot]

don't even take the EN Tierlisting guide as your knowledge... We strongly recommend you test it for yourself and see what fits you

its just somewhat a guiding tool to give you an Idea what's out there and some people think about it

[coral wren]

That is just different. U dont RETIRE ur ONLY COPY

[real notch]

i haven't tried kaga bb but if the tests show 100% winrate against maxed namaryuus that's a good sign

[coral wren]

UI keep atleast one copy of each ship

[real notch]

though i think zack already stated namagi + kagabb is tier 1 or 2

[storm pasture]

@buoyant parrot its gonna take week or so to lvling a ship to max lv abd skills and when it doesnt work. Im gonna be sad

[real notch]

the tricky thing with testing namagi + kaga bb is

you have 3 % proc backlines

70%, 40%, and 50%

you can get accurate test data with 10 tests for amakaga but

to test that fleet, u probably need to do much more

[buoyant parrot]

Its either I'm getting ultra lucky with my 15 matches or that Namaryuu lacks gears I don't know what's the min-max Fleet power of a Namaryuu but I fought someone at the 13.3k range

[real notch]

just because of the nature of their skills

yea, 13.3 is about right

13.4 is maxed

[buoyant parrot]

so that's a fairly good data then

[real notch]

yup, 15 tests is not bad either

you should def keep track of how many games your ships proc tho

ideally, when u test, for fleets like this

you should try to knock in a few games where there are 0 or just 1 proc of ur backline

[buoyant parrot]

my current fleet for testing... I've tested the other VG line up hence we have reviews on it now

I added on 3

[real notch]

so u see worst case scenario

[real notch]

nice, which one has highest WR?

against amakaga or namaryuu

[buoyant parrot]

well it depends on enemy VG

forget Amakaga

that fleet is trash against Namabaka

its just waaaaaaaaaaaaay to squishy

[storm pasture]

@buoyant parrot that defense vanguaed but why jintsu?

[buoyant parrot]

Zack confirmed that as well

Jintsuu is just to boost some of your torps on the oppening barrage

[shy hazel]

@storm pasture

[buoyant parrot]

if you want to play safe go switch it to belfast

[split socket]

amakaga def was trash even before nagato

[shy hazel]

do u have the proper gear

like 5 gold sg

or 4

[storm pasture]

@shy hazel i only have 2 gold sg

[shy hazel]

time to farm 6~1

[coral wren]

WTF

[shy hazel]

3 bb lineups wont be as good

[real notch]

but yea i'm ok with that fleet as t0

as long as we have data to prove it

[coral wren]

Jesus Roon is against the rules?

Roon H Christ then

[shy hazel]

jesus isnt allowed

[buoyant parrot]

also I wouldn't recommend raising BB kaga now that PR ships has been announced... It would be a waste of time unless you really want her

[shy hazel]

shell be good for two months

ill still recommend it

[buoyant parrot]

yup after that you will never use her EVER™

[real notch]

until hiryuykai

[storm pasture]

@shy hazel why do i need 6 gold sg? All of my ships need to equip them?

[shy hazel]

u need 5

or 4

[lament lichen]

Your backline needs them

[real notch]

i would say minimum 4 if you HFCR

otherwise 5

if you are using 3x BB backlines

if you're using CVs, SGs are not relevant

[storm pasture]

BB need equip sgx2?

[real notch]

yup

[lament lichen]

Gotta love backto back big sevens

[real notch]

"whoever has more SGs win"

[storm pasture]

Maybe i should change my comp. Farm a few days straight in 6-1 wasted about 7k oil and only got 1 part of sg gold. Is this normal drop rate?

[real notch]

sounds about right to me

yea gold drop BPs are abysmall

[coral wren]

how to beat Yostar at naming Jeaneu as Jesus ROon

[buoyant parrot]

ima change my Juneau name to that

[coral wren]

[buoyant parrot]

coz mine right now is NRCS Martyr

😂

[shy hazel]

name her

Juneau Christ

[coral wren]

inb4 they ban the word Christ and Savior too

[coral wren]

Whats NRC

NRCS

[buoyant parrot]

Night Raven Community Ship 😂

[coral wren]

Oh

all my ships are named Roon

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/503888636698165258/568738514649350144/image0.png

these and 32 other ROons

[split socket]

so what are you going to name Roon?

[coral wren]

didnt think about that

oh shit...

The Real Roon

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[real notch]

kek

i don't rename my ships unless if they have an annoying "(Retrofit)" in their name

[coral wren]

I named them all Roon cus I love Roon but it got way too confusing in pvp. when Roon keeps getting low hp

warning

but u dont know which one

[split socket]

all Roons are equal

[coral wren]

xD

[real notch]

lool

[shy hazel]

hey roon died and healed roon

[coral wren]

[split socket]

One for all, all for one

[coral wren]

but no more. they are all getting a new name in front of roon

[split socket]

May I suggest Roon Roon

[coral wren]

but its hard I have ot go thru all their dialogues

and see what their personality is

[buoyant parrot]

One True Roon?

[coral wren]

and what role they should get

or type as many roon as u can fit into the window

Roon One

Roon Two

that shall be my naming next month

[buoyant parrot]

when Georgia comes out my Fleet will be named
It Appears You Need Some Democracy

[coral wren]

xD

[buoyant parrot]

or

Its About Time For Some Freedom

[coral wren]

Time to Make Avrora Great again

[buoyant parrot]

[coral wren]

I am afraid of using those kind of names cus I am afraid to mess up and have a lined up in wrong order for a whole month

bottom amagi

[buoyant parrot]

I will not be changing line up for a month once that's done

[coral wren]

well u cant

XD

[buoyant parrot]

or you can go

[shy hazel]

i never change names

[buoyant parrot]

A ME RI CA F YEAH

[coral wren]

can u use 1 letter tho

for a name

[buoyant parrot]

yup

[coral wren]

omg

R O O O O N

[buoyant parrot]

[coral wren]

[buoyant parrot]

DonaldTrump used to name his fleet

W A A A L L

or I think that was AA

something along that line

[versed atlas]

<----

[ionic magnet]

we are the chosen ones

[real notch]

LOOL

relatable...

that was me for amagi

[versed atlas]

6 more days huh

i guess i'll finish the pvp season if i dont get nagato

[real notch]

how many cubes did you use

i was at 352

[trail hollow]

Finally done with my attack and defense fleets

[real notch]

nicee

[trail hollow]

Woops mixed up sodak and washy

[real notch]

solid fleets

[coral wren]

nice

Do anyone remember if there are suicide botes in event maps?

[real notch]

i see you are using 1x oxytorp too, i like that

i'm a big fan

no amagi instead of hood?

[trail hollow]

I dont like amagi at all

Cant get myself to like her

Im thinking of replacing hood with monarch anyways when shes battle ready

[coral wren]

so in 2-3 months time

ok

lol

[trail hollow]

[real notch]

dam

wat a shame

amagi is like

the most OP BB/BC in the game lol

probably even out of all backline ships

[ionic magnet]

you mean the best?

oh there

[real notch]

yea sry

i am sleeping now dw

[ionic magnet]

lol

hood is the best waifu tho

cant argue with him

[real notch]

btw, just updated tierlist with some formatting, explanations on wash, sodak, akagi, kaga, aurora, jintsuu, and tierrated the ones that weren't tiered

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

(sodak wash t0)

i've been using those ships for the last 6 months so i thought i'd put my 2 cents

uhh yes

lemme mention that

ok

so T2 alone, T0 with sd

and sd vice versa

we just need zack to write in his amakaga VG explanations

aand then we're done?

HMS QE hood ws is missing but who still uses that fleet...

[blazing scroll]

People that just started maybe

[ionic magnet]

i did try that just now against amakagas

i'll finish it in a bit

i'll try my best not to say hms is shit

[blazing scroll]

[versed atlas]

i think yukikaze is more op than amagi

[ionic magnet]

well they have different roles

no use comparing them imo

[versed atlas]

true

yukikaze is just better

im just messing with you guys

[wicked rivet]

somebody using hood instead of amagi?

[craggy cove]

Rip this season for me, lost a match because i was distracted

[wicked rivet]

I alt tabbed and lost one within the first couple days

[craggy cove]

[wicked rivet]

[trim horizon]

@hot creek sup, my gears are not fully enhanced yet, also how was my VG ? If you rmr

[elder crane]

Heh
I missed 4 literally right off the bat
Managed to sandbag enough that I'm only 2-3 behind right now, I think

[zenith tundra]

@real notch can we add .5 measures in the ship tiering? it feels kind of flat imo with all ships same tier and pretty much just a few t2

[dusk bridge]

Now all I need is affection grind on a couple more ships

[shy hazel]

just add zack

[trail hollow]

With the lack of gears for pvp it still feels kinda bland

Even full hms can get you to gensui

[midnight heron]

hey guys rate my op defense squad

just wondering tho wud hiryuu work with wasd

[coral wren]

hiryuu works with anything

even hiryuu + foxes

[midnight heron]

well dats interesting

[dusk bridge]

I don't think it's very smart to use hiryuu in any fleet right now unless it's with amagi and nagato

Even then without her retro its meh

Just my opinion

[coral wren]

I fought amakaga, wasda wasde hms random enty hiryuu fleets. with Hiryuu 110 and foxes at 100 and then at 105 too.

[blazing scroll]

You can try a bunch of stuff with Nagato + Amagi

[coral wren]

and all of them were won pretty easily

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is good but only with amagi defensive buff and debuffs and nagato dmg buffs

[coral wren]

Hiryuu last one alive and kills enemy. ez

[blazing scroll]

Hell, even Namagi + Enty works

[midnight heron]

somehow my wasde got rekt by hood/long island/enty lul

[coral wren]

are u lvl 100

[midnight heron]

granted my ships werent max but still wtf

yea they were at least 100

[coral wren]

idk whats wrong then

maybe ur enty just isnt lucky and their enty is too lucky

[midnight heron]

their frontline was i think jintsuu/helena/belfast

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coral wren]

lkmao

lmfao

how do u lose like that

[midnight heron]

dont ask me

[zenith tundra]

where was hood? top

[midnight heron]

mid

[zenith tundra]

wow

[coral wren]

lmfao

[zenith tundra]

then enty must have carried hard

[coral wren]

imagine losing to Long island

daamn

[midnight heron]

i had to retry 4x

before i won

[coral wren]

its like losing to purins

[midnight heron]

cudve used amakaga but was lvling wasde so

[blazing scroll]

If wasd both use the 406 they fire when enty launches

[coral wren]

are u using 406?

[midnight heron]

my sodak had hfcr but it didnt rly help

and yes all 406

[coral wren]

I read on CN that most ppl dont use 406

cus speed is king

faster shooting > bigger dmg

[blazing scroll]

More like bigger dps

[coral wren]

try 410

[blazing scroll]

Dmg is lower

[coral wren]

yeah whoever says hiryuu is bad just dosnt know how to use her

she can carry hard

apperantly there are comp guides for Namabaga in CN

its in amagi usage guide for pvp.

[midnight heron]

can only start lvling hiryuu once im done with unluckye D:<

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel @real notch who did the tiering for ships?

[midnight heron]

i would assume this is kinda the best setup

[zenith tundra]

what kind of tiering is it? by themselves or in specific comps because i feel like a lot of the vg ones aren't that good

[midnight heron]

ikr lul

i'll just see how it goes then

[zenith tundra]

cudas are better ovrall but ryuusei is a good choice for her to finish off opponent backlines by herself

[midnight heron]

if only u cud pick ur targets :>

[bitter escarp]

I prefer ryuusei on hiryuu personally

[coral wren]

[buoyant parrot]

I'm seeing a lot of new peeps

this is nice

[bitter escarp]

I was here day 1 of this club’s creation, my pvp discussions with sirreq in #gameplay-help are part of the reason this exists

Btw when hiryuu is solo carrier of a pvp fleet, vf17>reppu right

Or is it the opposite

[buoyant parrot]

haven't seen you chatting around here >__<

or maybe i'm just missing

[blazing scroll]

vf17 is the best

[bitter escarp]

Yeah I don’t chat in here often

[buoyant parrot]

ohh

[bitter escarp]

I’m an inactive oldie of the pvp club basically

[buoyant parrot]

[midnight heron]

will use vf planes once my enty is 110

[zenith tundra]

reppu has better stats for pvp. higher traveling speed for aa bait and better suicide dmg. vf-17 has a bit faster launch and better damage.

hard to have a clear cut on who is better. i just use reppu.

i would use vf-17 over it against enty tbh

[bitter escarp]

I’ve tested both and haven’t seen a notable enough difference hard to fully test em yeah

[midnight heron]

how much diff does 5% aa make tho

[dusk bridge]

I think for solo carrier the aa bait isn't as meaningful as if you're using double carrier

But yeah the difference isn't really noticeable to have a clear cut favorite imo

[zenith tundra]

we still dont have better oil tank compared to jp

[midnight heron]

might be y i lost to long island

[trail hollow]

Idk what to do with my general plates.. im just stacking them now

Ill pass i had 3k torps XD now 2k+

[blazing scroll]

I am also always out of general plates

[midnight heron]

r u one of those guys with 5 maxed sg radars and still hav enuf general plates? if so pls lemme rob ur port

[trail hollow]

Cant think of anything else to use it on atm

[buoyant parrot]

I'm always out of all plates... Maintaining Fleet Ranking is a forever drainage of Gold and Plates

[zenith tundra]

the only ones i never have enough are main gun ones

[midnight heron]

i'll just go kms now hang on

[zenith tundra]

i need to max that other belgun too

[trail hollow]

Guess ill wait for shells

Why do u have 3 duckguns maxed? XD

[dusk bridge]

Aux plates are always a pain

[zenith tundra]

duckguns?

[buoyant parrot]

if you gave me all that plates I'd probably be Top 3 by now

[trail hollow]

The twin 100

[zenith tundra]

sirius z23 z46

frick fleet power rankings id rather wake up in the night to sandbag for top 10 every season then wast all my time farming for plates

[blazing scroll]

[buoyant parrot]

such is our harship to stay relevant in that category of Ranking... hard stuff for us...

[trail hollow]

I c i c.. also discord mobile makes it 10000x harder to chat with all the crashes and lags lmao

[buoyant parrot]

[trail hollow]

Got dammit discord

[zenith tundra]

it doesnt feel that laggy for me tbh. maybe ur phone isp is bad or have a bad connection

[trail hollow]

Oh well, id rather just play than wait 5 mins for a message to send, sometimes multiple times

Idk, im running in with 50 mbps.. guess its my phone model

[blazing scroll]

Weren't you in need of a new one?

[trail hollow]

Yeah.. im about to buy one soon

Rip iphone 6 lmao

1gb ram iirc

Anyways, its going offtopic so imma just go back to farming

[blazing scroll]

[buoyant parrot]

another 3k Gems will be thrown out of an event

such a waste...

Kizuna better be good...

or at the very least.... USABLE.

BTW Zack I added insights on Namabaka, feel free to add or correct some. I made a testing with Namaryuu earlier 15 games no lose.

[zenith tundra]

i would just add that is more consistent vs bb comps then cv comps

[buoyant parrot]

go!

Haven't seen Nakaga yet

I wonder why

there's a bunch of Max Namaryuu but Nakaga is so rare I don't understand

[zenith tundra]

i barely saw any nagatos

i ll edit namabaka once i get home on my phone writing is a pain

[buoyant parrot]

the only idea that comes to mind is they probably prefer Hiryuu on Def while in offense their probably a Nakaga composition

[zenith tundra]

for how consistent namaryuu is on offense i wouldn't switch to nakaga ever

[buoyant parrot]

is Nakaga that real bad?

I can test now

[midnight heron]

maybe cuz many plebs like me dont hav maxed loli to use

[buoyant parrot]

yellow skill of my Nagato is already at 8

[zenith tundra]

idk i just like consistency

[grave gale]

I've only seen like two Hiryuu's on Sandy in the past week.

[zenith tundra]

also got nagato barrage to max finally

[buoyant parrot]

mines already max with Lv8 Yellow skill now

[zenith tundra]

cant wait to test damage in pvp

[dry socket]

zero Hiryuus on the casual Lexington server as of now

[zenith tundra]

i have same as u

[buoyant parrot]

it bothers me... I was expecting to see more Nakaga rather than Namaryuu

[zenith tundra]

we had amakaga before maybe ppl arwe just tored of foxes

[dry socket]

Nakaga's inconsistent and definitely performs worse on defense with the lack of a damage boost

[grave gale]

One was 109 and I had zero difficulty with her. Even tried fighting it a bunch. She was never the last to die, negating the stall.

[buoyant parrot]

hmmm that maybe the case

[dry socket]

a complete mirror Nakaga will destroy their defense counterpart easily, disregarding frontline torp memes

the offensive damage boost is quite a large one

[buoyant parrot]

btw Zack I prefer Belfast over Jintsuu when it comes to Namabaka... The only downside is Juneau tends to die late that sometimes well most of the time Nagato is about to die before Juneau heals

[zenith tundra]

juneau is a pain rn

stupid torp memes

[buoyant parrot]

there could be one instance when plane bombs or salvo crits on Nagato then Juneau died late its a lost lol

[dry socket]

Yukikaze's support skill should have healed Nagato for a decent amount to prepare her for the next salvo/airstrike

giving Juneau another chance to... die

[buoyant parrot]

that's actually what happens lol

[zenith tundra]

i prefer her dying early then too late tbh

[buoyant parrot]

instead of me relying on Juneau what happens is Ykkz heals then Juneau dies then Nagato gets full healed

its stupid

[dry socket]

Yukikaze is a master of support for more reasons than one

[zenith tundra]

torp vg might be worse juneau enemy rn imo

[dry socket]

Nagato's barrage sometimes procs as soon as the enemy Enty drops a Lucky E (yes, we have an abundance of Entys in Lexi)

and the foxes don't wipe her out

[buoyant parrot]

interesting

[zenith tundra]

nagato timing on 3rd barrage is right on her clock

[buoyant parrot]

would that timer change with FCHR?

[zenith tundra]

enty rn is like best overall counter to namaryuu. she can block amagi 2nd barrage, nagato 3rd barrage and hiryuu airstrikes

u shoot right as she cloacks with hsfcr

[dry socket]

right, she definitely is a pain

[elder crane]

She's annoying, but not really an issue, as far as I have seen

[dry socket]

Anything she can outlast is anything she can beat

pretty obviously

[buoyant parrot]

would like to see myself using Enty again but I don't want to use chips now....

[elder crane]

Still eats 2 Nagato barrages, 1st and 3rd-on amagi barrages, and if she procs Hiryuu she eats the full return strike

[zenith tundra]

i think ill just switch to 406 amagi and gg enty

[elder crane]

And that ofc is the easy adjustment

[buoyant parrot]

whenever I see Enty that's where my Amagi is pointing at

[zenith tundra]

i never really want amagi bot but guess the strat is just shoot enty down

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

coz if you let her do 2 to 3 OWARIDA it will be your death

[elder crane]

Yep, 2nd barrage gets blocked if running 381/410 but whatever

[dry socket]

it always has been, no? high priority target in pvp

[zenith tundra]

u kind of ignore her with foxes tbh

[elder crane]

2 Amagi barrages with some support easily kills
And worst-case is you have Hiryuu finish off with her final counter

[buoyant parrot]

I never used FOXES lol but I have them at 200 affection and Lv110

[zenith tundra]

she dies because she cannot cloack foxes dmg at all

[buoyant parrot]

foxes too fast I guess?

[elder crane]

I plan on trying them out again once we near this rush
I need to rush for AotN this time around, probably

[zenith tundra]

they are offset by like 11 secs so cloack never really useful

[buoyant parrot]

ahhh no wonder

[elder crane]

Yep, foxes and Enty pretty much permanently offset

Since their strike loading times are near-identical but foxes have 50% preload

[buoyant parrot]

such is a life of a previous WASDA user... Never had issues with Enty nor Foxes... Except stupid Mirror matches

hence I have no Idea how effective Foxes where against Enty

[dry socket]

Enterprise is the meta on Lexington—every refresh will almost guarentee at least one Enty backline

[zenith tundra]

u were using wasda even at 100? i do remember ur defense fleet being good but didnt think u were using it for offense too

[buoyant parrot]

isn't that great if you're a WASDA user that already merits you an AUTO WIN

[dry socket]

Foxes run over Enty on the second airstrike, but only if they aren't taken down

[buoyant parrot]

I was using it on offense lol!!!! I didn't bother using Amakaga

[dry socket]

took a few thousand Ls and didn't get Washington nor Northcal

[buoyant parrot]

coz it messes up my VG line up in the process if I do change to an Amakaga offense

[dry socket]

and ran Enty-Illustrious-Kaga since... October?

It hardly results in a loss, if that gives you an idea on how Lexington plays

[zenith tundra]

guess lusty says it all lol

not many lexi players in this channel too

[dry socket]

Whatever isn't nommed up by Operrainbow

goes to her

[elder crane]

I've been running Hiryuu-Amagi-Hood(Enty-early-on) since soon after Amagi release
The most consistent offense team I've ever used, for when it was usable
Almost never lost anything

Ofc now that's the meta-ish team of Nagato-Amagi-Hiryuu

[dry socket]

using her as a tank versus BBs works well

There's still players using a Z fleet

on defense

[buoyant parrot]

😂

lexington is ancient... I like it

[zenith tundra]

i wouldnt like to plau in a server like that. sounds boring without any conpetition

[dry socket]

Oh, an example has found its way to the list

[buoyant parrot]

how cute :D

[midnight heron]

i wud say it depends on ur refresh rng o.o

[zenith tundra]

at least is a kms fleet not just random z vg

[midnight heron]

i hav an alt on lexington and i been seeing amakaga D:

[dry socket]

Graf in PvP?

[buoyant parrot]

oof

[dry socket]

Amakaga is usually only played by the high ranking players
Lex has competitive players, yes, but too few compared to Avrora

[lament lichen]

Still find it in avrora

[zenith tundra]

with kms ships graf is ok in pvp. 15% dmg reduction is not bad

[midnight heron]

ic

[dry socket]

Graf functions as a KMS Lusty with no shield

and slightly more eHP

[coral wren]

whats the timing of Entys E?

20 secs? or so?

[midnight heron]

mine takes 25s at 106

[zenith tundra]

~22 sec

[coral wren]

hmmm I use 410 on nagato

maybe I should go with 381 instead

[zenith tundra]

381 will hit her cloack on 3rd barrage

[dry socket]

410 fires faster than Enty first airstrike

[coral wren]

3rd barrage tho

[dry socket]

but gets knocked off soon after

[coral wren]

thats near end of a battle

where hiryuu will kill off everoyne

[dry socket]

Enty decides fates at the end

she can eat up Hiryuu's counter

[coral wren]

time to invest in eld to counter enty

[dry socket]

Eldridge should get run over by the backline quickly

the current meta's too fast for her

[zenith tundra]

u should use 381 by default on nagato her barrage is too good

[buoyant parrot]

the fire control thingy is that from FW event?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[dry socket]

I believe so

[buoyant parrot]

then we need a re-run of that shit

[zenith tundra]

for sure we need another 2 reruns

or at least research bps for it

[dry socket]

I think I gave up on FW after failing to get either of the SRs

regret strikes now, I suppose

[zenith tundra]

i whaled for washi. 1st ship i whale for

[buoyant parrot]

so far the worse pull I've ever done in this game is spending $420 on a stupid Atago

[coral wren]

I read that 410 was used to counter foxes + enty

aka 吃喝

might be outdated

[zenith tundra]

at 110 reload got a bit faster so timings are a bit off then 100. plus nagato buffs reload too

[coral wren]

oh wait

it means foxes.

[buoyant parrot]

another day of DEATH!

[midnight heron]

funny cuz foxes + enty cud be called 吃喝玩乐

[zenith tundra]

410 can shoot before 3rd akaga airstrike

[midnight heron]

cuz owarida

[zenith tundra]

i cant wait for patch notes for 26th main hopefully we'll know if we get shells or not. if we don't might buy 203 from core data for my mogami

[buoyant parrot]

I already have 203

most likely I buy 3rd Dildo

[zenith tundra]

3 381 too?

[buoyant parrot]

yup

I have 3 381

and 1 203

[zenith tundra]

u have like 500 core data rn?

[buoyant parrot]

oh wait I think 2 381

yup 2 381

1 203

[dry socket]

You can definitely get 300 core data by the refresh

[dry socket]

boost yourself to 1.6k

[zenith tundra]

i dont really care about 203 or oxys. i would save for cv aux and shells but i like mogami quite a lot

[buoyant parrot]

I want 1 more Dildo for just in case 3 Torp montage

but it depends... Gonna hold it until reset if no Shells then Dildo it is

[zenith tundra]

i hope we get to know by 26th patch notes tbh

[dry socket]

If the BB shells are coming on the next refresh,

I'll save for it

[buoyant parrot]

definitely going to save all cores until then. But if no shells next reset well then~ Hooray for more Dildos~

[zenith tundra]

i hope i can get a 4th 381 too

[buoyant parrot]

why so many

[zenith tundra]

why not

[buoyant parrot]

you most likely need 3 but 4???

[zenith tundra]

i hate switching stuff around

[buoyant parrot]

lol lazy potato

[zenith tundra]

381 still is bis gun for barrage bb. nothing wrong with having more

also nothing else to buy for now so

[buoyant parrot]

fair enough

[hybrid tendon]

bought a 3rd 381