pvp

[blazing scroll]

I would still choose 127 over the 100

[real notch]

[ionic magnet]

gg

the dream duel

[real notch]

I believe its a win

But i might die to some rng ass fire dmg

Yea i think so but

Paranoid

[blazing scroll]

Continue and see what happens

[fair sail]

i get paranoid when im in that position too. somehow i think there's going to be some stray plane fly out for whatever reason

[real notch]

Ok, just finished obligatory testing namaryuu vs wasde, results pretty expected

Leohelo (south dakota, washington, enterprise | juneau, aurora, helena) 13.7/12.4
Current fleet (nagato, amagi, hiryuu | belfast, juneau, yukikaze) 13.2/13.1
Game 1: win
Game 2: win
Game 3: win
Game 4: win
Game 5: win
Game 6: win
Game 7: close win
Game 8: win
Game 9: win
Game 10: win

[zenith tundra]

standard setup right with 381?

[real notch]

I just won nomatter what, even if his sodak procs focused, radar e, i dont proc amagi/nagato barrage, bad torp rng

[zenith tundra]

but i think that enty should be top in best wasde comp

[real notch]

It was pretty landslide victory each test

I can check, one sec

[shy hazel]

what gun u using on

sirius

👀

[zenith tundra]

i use twin 100 on sirius

[shy hazel]

twin 100 for faster barrage i guess

[real notch]

Ok his guns are 381/406

[shy hazel]

it makes sense i guess

[real notch]

Or 410+hfcr/406

[shy hazel]

what u ppl using for sirius

i need 2nd opinion

👀

[real notch]

Twin 100 is pretty standard

[ionic magnet]

its twin 100

no 2nd choice

[real notch]

Since vg dont usually do anything with main gun dmg anyways

[shy hazel]

hey there blue ayagun

[empty sinew]

127 to give her even more AA

[shy hazel]

i want to continu event

but ngato alrdy 100

[real notch]

Why not 110

[shy hazel]

i mean 110

7~2 right

ya lol i tried hiryu on first event siren

i died

[empty sinew]

oh, im the sole 127mm user for sirius

noice

[ionic magnet]

well you get 1 more barrage when using twin 100

[zenith tundra]

belfast aux? i use boiler pearl

[ionic magnet]

bulge pearl for me

[blazing scroll]

Bulge pearl

[zenith tundra]

why do u all use bulge or toolbox

[ionic magnet]

cos she dies too fast without it

[blazing scroll]

Bulge is a must

With all these torps

RNG in a nutshell

[ionic magnet]

its only real way you can lose VGs fast so yea

[shy hazel]

i kind of wish they implementes pr this week though lol

so can start using hms bb bcs for event

[versed atlas]

another day of no nagato

[zenith tundra]

how do we do rainbow bg for equips? also if anyone has anything to say on any equip choice i'll take it into consideration

[ionic magnet]

nagato who

[blazing scroll]

So far I can't find anything on gradient backgrounds

[zenith tundra]

if someone can do the blue equip color i would be grateful. i suck at colors

[real notch]

Ok 2nd obligatory test - side note the wins were less landslide. I had to reset early due to squishy nature of foxes

Qimi (amagi, kaga, akagi | aurora, ayanami, belfast) 13.3/13.4
Current fleet (nagato, amagi, hiryuu | belfast, juneau, yukikaze) 13.2/13.1
Game 1: win
Game 2: win
Game 3: win
Game 4: win
Game 5: win
Game 6: win
Game 7: win
Game 8: win
Game 9: win
Game 10: win

Overall pretty surprised at high winrate, lvl 110 nagato really sticks thru against fox dmg

Probably important to note his positioning is all weird, belfast should be bottom

Also his belfast doesn't do much against my backline

[zenith tundra]

i want to put dildo on jintsuu equip which to remove from boilers bulge pearl toolbox?

[real notch]

Boiler

[zenith tundra]

what is the less desirable one

[real notch]

I've never thought about stacking speed on jintsuu

It probably won't do much

Best to stack hp to synergize with her unyielding skill

[zenith tundra]

i was even thinking about old beaver on jintsuu strat but does anyone do that?

[blazing scroll]

Don't think so

[real notch]

No

That's very weird

Now i just gotta test against nakaga and wasda

[zenith tundra]

i did that when there were only amakagas at lvl 100 and jintsuu would survive a lot with beaver

[real notch]

Btw Zack did you get similar results against amakaga or wasde with your namaryuu?

[zenith tundra]

i wish i could test

never find good comps

but since i lost 4 attempts already gonna start searching for comps now instead of sandbagging

[shy hazel]

got all cept kwkz

lol

if u find me tell me

i can prepare tests for u

[zenith tundra]

i need research so i can use my gold...

70k rn and don't know what to do with it

[blazing scroll]

MLB everything

[zenith tundra]

almost all my ships over 70 are mlb

[blazing scroll]

Almost, but not all

[zenith tundra]

and i have to go to work

[blazing scroll]

Dayum, mine is only at 140 aff

[zenith tundra]

looks cool

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

Adding the png looks like this

What's the size of the bg?

Why does it scale so weird

[buoyant parrot]

i can't add the stupid image lol

[blazing scroll]

Cell size is 84x100 btw

[random vault]

wiki one looks like this lol

[blazing scroll]

Wiki one scales the same

[buoyant parrot]

DONE

I have succesfully added the stupid rainbow dildo

[random vault]

smh you should have said
"i have successfully inserted the dildo"

[blazing scroll]

Is this okay?

Yeah

I changed the width to 79 now

I thing yours is better

Because it's like ingame

[random vault]

as long as they can recognize it should be good enough lol

[blazing scroll]

So it's fine

Everything fits now

[ionic magnet]

whats our criteria for tiering again?

not sure if i'll put hms as tier 1 or 2

1.5? xD

[blazing scroll]

I thought the initial idea was to tier by winrate

[ionic magnet]

alright tier 2 then

[dusk bridge]

@odd schooner yeah that's me. New name on avrora is Jayy9

[ionic magnet]

atleast for now

[dusk bridge]

And @real notch I didn't quit, I just keep forgetting when new PvP season starts so I end up never doing them.

[warm saffron]

nakaga + jint + aya + ibuki a good setup?

[random vault]

jintsuu doesnt buff ibuki doe

[warm saffron]

but nagato does right?

[random vault]

nagato buff on frontliner is quite minor

[warm saffron]

🤔 what about amagi + nagato + hiryuu instead then with same vanguard

[random vault]

im not sure who pairs well with ibuki doe

guess if u gonna go all out torpmeme might as well jint aya i guess

[warm saffron]

👌

[coral wren]

i think its better for amagi, nagato, hiryuu to have a stall van instead of a torp van

[odd schooner]

@dusk bridge you turned me into something like this. No regrets tho

[dusk bridge]

Yeah I remember resetting shop 10 times a day during s1 trying to get BiS gear before everyone else

The good old days

Also full married fleet right when they added rings into the game

I found it amusing that I would read discord and find people fighting my fleets and they would get pissed off that they couldn't win and resort to calling me a sponsored streamer

Because I had tv at the end of my name even though I don't stream

[random vault]

lmao

[coral wren]

yes all gold equip = very strong

[lunar halo]

who should i replace sirius with

[dusk bridge]

Well he was misinformed. Because I've never had non optimized fleets, and this was when rings were first added in the game

[random vault]

ayanami

[dusk bridge]

So he maybe assumed because my fleet power was so high that I was just throwing gold equips in every slot

[odd schooner]

Oh you stream

I just saw some vids

Only the minnie on YouTube lmao

[dusk bridge]

I don't stream. I only uploaded that minne video because I had some friends that wanted to know her voice lines

[elder crane]

Some people are just hilarious

At least when they aren't targeting you

It's all fun and games til they try to get you banned

[dusk bridge]

I think it's funny either way

[elder crane]

Though most aren't that bad

@lunar halo Sirius definitely better than Aya there

[finite valve]

ppl sure like big fleet number in pvp heh

[violet comet]

pls enough with the foxes

belfast + hyuuga's AA aint enough

[finite valve]

using JP BB cus JP bias

lel

[violet comet]

huh?

i just like them

plus amagi's best girl

i'd use smthn else but I'm a poor boi

(plus I still have no fucking idea what JP bias is)

[finite valve]

then don't complain about comp if you just going to fall back to my waifu lel

this is pvp

not pve lel

[violet comet]

i mean, I still use her cause she's good

still, doesn't change the fact that I'm having issues

at least not for long, eh

[finite valve]

if you want to use hyuuga then i say put her in wasd line up

[violet comet]

if only I has washington

had*

[finite valve]

welp

[violet comet]

still, I don't think she's bad with 2 other BBs

nagato + amagi + hyuuga seems fine

... i don't have nagato lvled up yet, but that's beside the point

[finite valve]

putting all your egg in the nagato basket seem a bad idea

[zenith tundra]

is as good as 3 bb can be. if amagi and nagato dont proc barrages u lose so much

[violet comet]

if only I had multiple options

lol

i have barely 6 ships at lvl 105

[finite valve]

you can use hms

hood QE DOY

[violet comet]

as I clearly stated before

I don't have them leveled up

tho Im working on that

[finite valve]

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is best choice against akaga

[violet comet]

also because i want the HMS ready

for when Im done with monarch

[finite valve]

tbh hms is just only a phase even with PR

QE is too sub optimal to make a hms fleet

[violet comet]

eh, worst case scenario I can fall back on nagato + amagi

still worth a shot, plus I like many of the HMS shipfus

[finite valve]

well not like iam against hms in general

just that QE is too let's just say "bad"

[zenith tundra]

hms is barelly meta with ws kai and even with that there are better comps then hms

[finite valve]

yep

if only we have QE kai like buff / debuff non hms ship

that would be the day lel

[violet comet]

you are not wrong, but even then

I'll take it

[zenith tundra]

ull do fine with monarch and neptune but its long investiment for a pvp comp

[violet comet]

i just wanna use big redhead waifu

i may go for saint after monarch

tbf

cause she's more splashable

[zenith tundra]

neptune better then saint louis by miles with qe

[finite valve]

i think iam either going to go nep or louis first for pvp

[violet comet]

ik ik

[finite valve]

we have enough back line as it is

[violet comet]

i just like saint better cause idk if Ill stick with HMS

[finite valve]

need a good tank

nep is a better tank if you want

louis is just a mix bag

[violet comet]

like, saint might be feasible outside HMS

[finite valve]

true

so yeh if you want to share usage then saint might be better

[violet comet]

exactly

still, i'll take a long time for monarch

so who knows

in time with better knowledge and experience

i may change my mind

[finite valve]

long as in long to max her right?

since you can get her in around 1 to 2 weeks

if you farm 24/7

[violet comet]

yeah max her

[zenith tundra]

interesting... too bad for that trash torp vg

[violet comet]

a real man runs yukikaze and jintsuu

for torp

[zenith tundra]

want to see how fast i can kill nagato with this

after 1st airstrike

[dusk bridge]

Still need more levels and affection but next season I'll run this if I don't forget when it resets

[zenith tundra]

poor namagi

[random vault]

namagi really bad antiair

[zenith tundra]

i like amagi bot

easy to kill

there we go

[ionic magnet]

hms vs wasda is so painful to watch

2 mins

[zenith tundra]

hms stuff dont worry

[odd schooner]

2 minutes

@zenith tundra ppl really like putting ykkz front

Saw a lot

[zenith tundra]

why the hell is that amagi bot...

[random vault]

o shit someone ready with that fleet

[zenith tundra]

if only amagi was top

it wouldve been amazing tests. now its just great

[split socket]

does it really matter that much

?

[zenith tundra]

wow

it does quite a bit. bot takes a lot more dmg from torp bombers

this is after hiryuu airstrike 100% win imo

[odd schooner]

That's why wasda amagi is always placed on top

[zenith tundra]

cant wait to test a wasda

[odd schooner]

I think I'm pushing too early

Or you'll eventually see me later?

I'm at 1/10

Not sure where ether and sumire are

Did trump change?

Blue is on namagiryuu

I forgot the others

[zenith tundra]

im a bit scared about this

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

all in all is a lost

[odd schooner]

Thr future is inevitable for EN i guess

Have you tried juneau

[zenith tundra]

barely 2nd try

trying to eat test and chat at the same time

btw 1st match got nagato barrage off and this time opponent nagato got a barrage

[odd schooner]

So that's how devastating her barrage is

[random vault]

ye nagato barrage stronk

in pve literally clear whole map

[coral wren]

clears my cube reserve too

[zenith tundra]

this matchup is pure chaos tbh...

[split socket]

how many times have u tested so far?

[zenith tundra]

i can totally see why hiryuu kai would wall off foxes all together

9 times i would say and 2 i have no clue what the result is

juneau btw

[odd schooner]

Hmmm tried sirius aurora juneau?

[zenith tundra]

im gonna try more once i get home in 4hrs. im at 4/10 and 4 behind already so its fine to wait

lost vg battle and definitelly a lost

hiryuu would just clear my backlines with final counter

[odd schooner]

Appears to be ye

Can you try wasda too?

[zenith tundra]

i cant my wasd is only 100

[odd schooner]

[split socket]

sirius aurora sendai?

hes running full stall so full airstike offense might work

[odd schooner]

Maybe i should have my hiryuu affection raised now lmao

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

gonna try more later but yukiakze is there so a fox dosent die before 2nd airstrike

i think sirius might be core against amagi comps. the dmg output feels way lower without her

i could try a torp build too and see it its better

[blazing scroll]

Well sirius does buff their dmg and hitrate to vanguard

[zenith tundra]

my point was exactly that. if feels like u need the extra dmg from her to have enough to kill opponents. nakaga is pretty frail so u cannot outlast opponents

[blazing scroll]

I don't think you should focus on outlasting anyway with nakaga

[odd schooner]

Nakaga with sirius aurora + wildcard rn is more on buff and debuff stacking

@cerulean estuary uncle how's pvp

[zenith tundra]

torp vg might actually deal enough dmg to ensure wins

[blazing scroll]

The thing is that debuff is guaranteed but torps is a gimmick

So you got to make a choice

[zenith tundra]

i was thinking either full torp with jintsuu sendai aya/yukikaze or something like jintsuu aurora sendai/yukikaze/aya

[coral wren]

how did you people already get nagato to 110

[blazing scroll]

I think I would pick sendai over the other two

[vague token]

they farmed REALLY hard

[blazing scroll]

Just because of the debuff

[modern tree]

you launch the AL

and then you play it

and she gets to 110

[blazing scroll]

mindblown

[grave gale]

D2 gives lots of experience with the sirens.

[blazing scroll]

I find d2 xp to be mediocre

Did it a while to farm points but I am now back to the regular maps

[modern tree]

I wish my Nagato wasnt at 168 affection, I am so tired of her, but I cant leave her like this

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[zenith tundra]

@coral wren i have 110 nagato max oath. u just need to use her for everything and farm a lot

[blazing scroll]

Never lvled belfast to 110?

[leaden sequoia]

for 120 maybe...

[zenith tundra]

im still on d2 as bad as it is. 60k pts dont farm themselves

[blazing scroll]

I plan to stop at 30k

Just want the chips

[zenith tundra]

im at 33k

[coral wren]

30k as well, but i'm only at 12k

[blazing scroll]

[zenith tundra]

what happened?

[olive thicket]

why do people do this

[coral wren]

what do you mean

yamashiro kai? for the booty, ofc

[olive thicket]

no just

all of it

[zenith tundra]

perfectly fine pvp waifu comp

[coral wren]

oh, because sandbag

mine's at lv87

[zenith tundra]

oh ok

[velvet fossil]

I feel dirty beating nakaga with hiryuu

[zenith tundra]

from +4 to -19 lol

[coral wren]

wait, you're on sandy?

gotta add you

[odd schooner]

Ye a lot of sandy in pvp channel lately

[zenith tundra]

since i'm already out of the season thinking about trying to abuse pvp system next season and see if i can get extra charges

[stark raft]

don't need to, DST has got you covered

[real notch]

@dusk bridge dont mind that guy

Luki i mean, i met him too and hes like a depressed little boy

When people dont go the way he wants, he'll start attacking your identity

First thing when i met him was "youre just a dumb new guy who thinks hes the shit, but actually all ur opinions r wrong and ur "data" is trash"

Just because i asked him why he thought sirius is some secret tier SSS ship

[grave gale]

sandy represent.

[trim horizon]

That dude in Sandy showed a bunch of time as rank1 leading with 22/30 more score

[real notch]

Later it was "what are you in real life dude? You must be an unsuccessful loser who isnt in a good school or job"

Just because i disagree with his opinion

[lament lichen]

Lol dude must not have much

[real notch]

Even tho im a 25 year old management consultant that charges 125/hour, i didnt say anything to him

[dusk bridge]

yeah thats the vibe i got from him back then

[real notch]

Yea seriously dont let his opinion bring you down

His opinion to me, literally means nothing lol

So dw ur not a p2w sponsor lol

[dusk bridge]

well i got a good laugh out of it because he thought i was sponsored

[real notch]

Hes just a terrible person to theorycraft with

[zenith tundra]

@real notch need help for testing nakaga against this

[dusk bridge]

nakaga wins againts that 90% of the time

[zenith tundra]

just say what u want me to try against as vg and equips

[dusk bridge]

hiryuu and amagi arent worth using until we get hiryuu kai

[real notch]

Oh ok

Yea thats awesome

[dusk bridge]

nagato + foxes is the clear best backline until then

[zenith tundra]

nakaga isnt winning against that with juneau aurora yukikaze 0/2 so far

[dusk bridge]

from JP experience in testing the same thing

is your nagato proccing barrage?

because thats a big factor if you dont have both skills maxed yet

[real notch]

Judging from his vg, its 1 oxytorp either on belfast or ykkz

[dusk bridge]

most likely on ykkz

[real notch]

Id say test
1 defensive vg
1 offensive vg

[dusk bridge]

what frontline are you running zack?

[zenith tundra]

no one has maxed skill in en yet

literally impossible

[dusk bridge]

of course noone has both maxed

but you can have maxed barrage

[real notch]

Xd cyan

[zenith tundra]

bararage almost lvp 9 and yellow 8

[real notch]

Yea theres nothing i need to prove to someone that doesnt deserve my respect

[zenith tundra]

next time book finishes its 9

[real notch]

Btw zack for that matchup, win condition is killing nagato first

If you sport 2x ryuusei you should have a much higher winrate

[zenith tundra]

ok

[dusk bridge]

anyways, with nakaga backline and jintsuu, sendai, and either ykkz or aya, you shouldnt have any problems with that ghetto hiryuu fleet

[lament lichen]

Already have max barrage lvl 4 yellow

[zenith tundra]

look im kinda of tired of ur bias @dusk bridge. if u keep not being helpful im gonna just block u

[odd schooner]

Nani

[real notch]

Im at 9 yellow 7 red, i think ill finish yellow by today

[dusk bridge]

bias how?

[real notch]

[odd schooner]

The sudden turn of events

[real notch]

Wait r u ok

[odd schooner]

@balmy torrent aren't you a cat

[zenith tundra]

i literally lost like 4 matches against that and its impossible to lose against well im just retarded so i dont care

[odd schooner]

I think we need full power nagato

[real notch]

are

are are are

[zenith tundra]

what vg and what equip u want me to try @real notch just write names and equips

[dusk bridge]

yeah all im saying is right now it might be better than your fleet, but full nakaga cancer torp wins from my testing on JP

when i didnt have hiryuu kai and everyone else did

[zenith tundra]

dual ryuusei also?

[dusk bridge]

obviously maxed skills and optimal gear on both sides

one ryuusei was what i used because i didnt have 2

but if i was doing it on EN i would use 2

also aurora works really well against that frontline hes using if you wanna sub out sendai

[zenith tundra]

maybe taihou akaga lol

[real notch]

ok depends on how much time u have, but i'd say...

1. nakaga (cuda) + offensive VG (aurora sendai + x)
2. nakaga (cuda) + defensive VG (juneau, YKKZ + x)
3. nakaga (ryuusei) + offensive VG (aurora sendai + x)
4. nakaga (ryuusei) + defensive VG (aurora, sendai + x)

[odd schooner]

Hmm can we try the kaga ryuusei akagi cuda now

[real notch]

the goal of the test will be to
a. find out whether offensive setups or defensive setups are better on nakaga
b. find out whether ryuusei is worth against nagato fleets (trading off touchdown and takeoff)

i think if you want to save time zack, u can ignore goal a. since i think offensive is always better with nakaga, and skip the 2nd and 4th test

just test cuda vs ryuusei with an offensive VG of your choice

[dusk bridge]

nakaga is all about resetting

and waiting for ideal torp start

but yeah offensive is always better

[real notch]

but yea thx, i'm gonna do a quick update on my testing doc

since i did some obligatory testing with namaryuu yesterday vs. wasde and amakaga

[dusk bridge]

when i mean resetting, its mostly against mirrors

[real notch]

btw the results were super positive, 10/10 wins against close to maxed fleets

[dusk bridge]

but thats just experience because everyone ran that fleet in JP for the longest time

[real notch]

yea, nakaga was queen of meta for how many months

[dusk bridge]

too many

[analog hare]

doing straight 5 battle pvp, rejoice if you found me in your list

avrora

[real notch]

btw @zenith tundra u did a test earlier against namagi enterprise?

what were the results

[zenith tundra]

bad nakaga would just melt namagi

plus nagato was 100

[real notch]

lv 1 flare

and o ok

[zenith tundra]

anything wrong?

[dusk bridge]

yeah flare is a very vital skill

[real notch]

yea, 2nd flare is not often a consideration but

other than that it looks fine @zenith tundra

[dusk bridge]

put beaver and bulge on sendai and she lives much longer than you would think

[zenith tundra]

ok

[dusk bridge]

and pearl on jintsuu

[real notch]

i see u put jintsuu in front too

i've been thinking bout that too

i personally put sendai in front and jintsuu in back, but that's minor

[dusk bridge]

jintsuu is really there for opening torp damage

[real notch]

since jintsuu has unyielding, stacking HP is most effective

[dusk bridge]

i have jintsuu up front

[zenith tundra]

interesting id say a win

[real notch]

but it's hard to fit oxytorp, and stack HP while being aware that she tanks torps

[zenith tundra]

unless hiryuu can one shoot akagi

[real notch]

actually maybe, what do u think

[dusk bridge]

i have oxytorp on all frontliners

[real notch]

just a win i guess

[zenith tundra]

close win imo

[dusk bridge]

because i feel like its just rng on who hits the most torps at the start in mirrors

[real notch]

did u 200 aff ur nagato

god damn it

i'm still like 175

[zenith tundra]

when is hiryuu 2nd airstrike

there is an airstrike incoming from hiryuu btw

[dusk bridge]

also keep in mind that im not really doing PvP on EN this season, and what im suggesting is the fleets/combos i used when JP was in the same meta

[zenith tundra]

i just covered it

[dusk bridge]

and JP had level 120

[zenith tundra]

by accident

and i cannot read jay ofc

[dusk bridge]

scaling is different between 110-120 so some of my results from back then might be different

[real notch]

yea i think i was asking patchy earlier and he said namagi tended to crowd out a lot of nakagas

even with weird 3rd ships like hyuugakai

the synergy between nagato and amagi 2 strong

[dusk bridge]

for example, at 110, foxes had a huge winrate against wasd, but at 120 the wasd can pull out around 70% winrate on attacker side

[halcyon hill]

Im mindblown at how insane Yukikaze can be with a tiny bit of luck

[real notch]

wdym 2nd airstrike, like timer?

[zenith tundra]

now what it is? because im leaving

yeah

[real notch]

isn't it like... 46 secs in?

want me to find out?

[zenith tundra]

if she shoots 2nd one is over for sure

id say this is a loss but u can correct me

[real notch]

2nd hiryuu airstrike for me is

4:16

so 44 secs in

[zenith tundra]

akaga 3rd is way past that right?

she has another 12+ sec on invincibility rn

[real notch]

fox 2nd airstrike is 32 secs, soooo 3rd one should be 51? 4:09?

[zenith tundra]

it still after

so u agree with me on a loss?

[real notch]

yea looks like it

if she just invulned

[zenith tundra]

thats final counter airstrike

[real notch]

wait, sorry not 4:09, i think its a bit later

like 4:07

yea that's probably a loss

her planes didn't even touch down yet

[zenith tundra]

??? airstrike incoming

but hiryuu should be dead after this

[stark raft]

looks like an L

[real notch]

i just noticed your mg and vg are same fleet power

that's dope

[zenith tundra]

idk close something but ne freaking clue

[real notch]

yea idk man, it all depends on when hiryuu cloaks

[zenith tundra]

i anihilated vg and torp onto hiryuu lol

[real notch]

and idk when she cloaked in that pic

[zenith tundra]

she dead after this already invincible

does her airstrike kill both?

[real notch]

given the HP of ur ships... looks pretty dicey

[dusk bridge]

last thought before going back to work, maybe my past testing against the hiryuu fleet was pretty invalid because of the white shells and PR wheels JP has access to

[zenith tundra]

id say close win

[real notch]

alright sure why not

i mean u r the tester so u know more about the fight

[stark raft]

burn might tick and planes will kill on touchdown

[real notch]

wait don't white shells improve bb performance

[blazing scroll]

They give a solid bonus dmg

[dusk bridge]

also hit buff

[real notch]

and wheel is BB gear too

[dusk bridge]

wheel is for extra evasion

[zenith tundra]

i want to rule this comp out tbh

[dusk bridge]

you can put it on foxes instead of fuel tank

[real notch]

rule nakaga? or

[zenith tundra]

vg

[blazing scroll]

The perfect dodge can be useful

[real notch]

is pr wheel on foxes an actual thing

lol

[blazing scroll]

Along with the 40 eva

[dusk bridge]

it was a gimmick, but it was definitely a thing with all the mirrors going around

living for one more airstrike could be the difference

[real notch]

yea freal i think my first PR gear is wheel

either that or staag

[dusk bridge]

i mean its random

cant really choose what you get first

[zenith tundra]

gonna try the other vg conps later on. all i learned is not to run boilers in sendai comps tbh

[blazing scroll]

I want it all

[real notch]

i mean ya i'd like to get it

lol

boilers is fine i think

cus there's 2BBs, so more shell dodging i guess

[zenith tundra]

the flare missed too much

because vg way too far back

either that or oppenet vg way too fast

[real notch]

oh

yea actually

speed is something i'm testing on namaryuu vg rn, with decent success

i have 1 boiler on YKKZ

[blazing scroll]

using boiler to counter flare

[real notch]

and 2 boilers on juneau

basically after belfast dies, my 2 ships start zipping around

[zenith tundra]

i think i would remove boilers from juneau so she dies and use more on belfast yukikaze

[real notch]

usually it dodges enough shells until 2nd airstrike

yea, there was 1 time where my nagato died before juneau

[zenith tundra]

belfast dmg is not bad

[real notch]

but i think with 20% dmg boost it shouldn't be a problem for juneau to die

[zenith tundra]

i would prefer her alive over juneau

[real notch]

hmm maybe

my belfast rn is oxytorp + pearl

so no bulges

[zenith tundra]

i use pearl boiler

btw that hiryuu had ryuusei eauipped interesting strat for defense

[real notch]

yea, that's currently JP meta AFAIK from recordings

hiryuukais mostly use ryuusei cus by the type they cloak, the VGs are dead they have a clean shot with sakura torps

btw zack don't forget this

if u have no time lmk i can do it for u

[zenith tundra]

ok i read that but im not sure why me and what am i supposed to say tbh.

[real notch]

idk

according to etherst ur the god of amakaga

[blazing scroll]

I thought JP meta is to use namagi + warspite

[real notch]

basically just write the fleet's main win condition, it's current in tiering and why

then give like 2-4 VG options

and explain those options

anyways i gotta go out for lunch

be back in a fewhrs

[odd schooner]

15 minutes before reset folks

[real notch]

nobody moved on my screen for 9 hours

thx for reminder tho

[magic drum]

mine is still 9 hours away

[rustic fog]

Feels goof being rank 1 in Exercise

[zenith tundra]

u should aim for rank 1 end season

just double checked with my namaryuu and the comp i have in my list is max oath with bis equip 13401 fleet power

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

i'm surprised there are other people with max oath hiryuu tbh

[vague token]

lol

i only oathed never went for 200 affinity

gotta say, sheffield boosted yukikaze is hilarious

[zenith tundra]

the size is a bit wrong need to be wider

...

[vague token]

lol

xD

[trim horizon]

663 7/10 It means im doing fine ?

[zenith tundra]

seems ok to me but i'm 4 behind so i'm not sure about actual score with extra bonuses

how did the dildo turn out so well? do u know the actual dimensions?

the sheet is like 100x80

resized them all

[hot creek]

looks like they're saving best girl for last PR announcement

[zenith tundra]

@real notch
[ JoJo] (Nagato, Hiryuu, Amagi | Belfast, Yukikaze, Juneau) 13401/13259
ZackFairX (Nagato, Akagi, Kaga | Sendai, Aurora, Jintsuu) 13279/13279

Dual cuda
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - loss
game 5 - loss
game 6 - loss
game 7 - win
game 8 - loss
game 9 - loss
game 10 - win

[vague token]

nice

also oof 50/50

[zenith tundra]

i could say even 40%... pure based on nagato barrage pretty much

[vague token]

ah

so i guess hiryuu is just too big of a wall =/

[zenith tundra]

when hiryuu procs her final counter mostly of the time she has another airstrike right after

[vague token]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

pretty much that wipes nakaga unless for some reason nakaga is healthy enough before that

[vague token]

plus 150 torp bomber efficiency = ow

[zenith tundra]

that hiryuu also uses ryuusei so if she attacks opponent main fleet is sure ko

[vague token]

yeah

[real notch]

ok got it thx @zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

testing other vgs rn

[vague token]

would surviving longer be better to distract ryuusei?

since hiryuu's other planes arent the strongest

you could just lame her out with a durability vanguard

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze is a god

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

@real notch
[ JoJo] (Nagato, Hiryuu, Amagi | Belfast, Yukikaze, Juneau) 13401/13259
ZackFairX (Nagato, Akagi, Kaga | Juneau, Aurora, Yukikaze) 13279/12592

Dual cuda
game 1 - loss
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - close win
game 7 - win
game 8 - win
game 9 - tie
game 10 - win

yukikaze died twice... guess which ones are

i just saw hiryuu soloing all my backlines from 70%+ hp wtf

@real notch
[ JoJo] (Nagato, Hiryuu, Amagi | Belfast, Yukikaze, Juneau) 13401/13259
ZackFairX (Nagato, Akagi, Kaga | Sendai, Aurora, Jintsuu) 13279/13279

Dual ryuusei
game 1 - loss
game 2 - win
game 3 - loss
game 4 - close loss
game 5 - loss
game 6 - close win
game 7 - loss
game 8 - win
game 9 - loss
game 10 - win

[vague token]

150 torpedo bomber efficiency is one hell of a drug

xD

[real notch]

Not just, his vg is completely different

Juneau, aurora, ykkz
Jintsuu, aurora, Sendai

[zenith tundra]

im actually testing same 2 vgs with cudas and ryuusei

2 ryuusei is worse already

[vague token]

i feel like using 2 ryuusei doesnt get a lot of returns since you only have 1 fox with high efficiency?

you could just mix maybe?

[craggy cove]

Think Hiryuu is strong enough to run without Souryuu If I wanted to run Amagi/Nagato/Hiryuu?

[zenith tundra]

for offense she should be great

[craggy cove]

Yeah, I've been using her with Amagi Souryuu

[zenith tundra]

@real notch
[ JoJo] (Nagato, Hiryuu, Amagi | Belfast, Yukikaze, Juneau) 13401/13259
ZackFairX (Nagato, Akagi, Kaga | Juneau, Aurora, Yukikaze) 13279/12592

Dual ryuusei
game 1 - win
game 2 - tie
game 3 - win
game 4 - loss
game 5 - loss
game 6 - win
game 7 - win
game 8 - loss
game 9 - win
game 10 - win

[craggy cove]

But Souryuu as waifu-material as she is, isn't as strong as I need for top ranks

[vague token]

ryuusei is strong when we get 120

for focusing the flag

right?

[zenith tundra]

kaga bb dmg on amagi

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

who said baga is trash again?

[vague token]

i mean before nagato she was probably lackluster xD

but now she has the extra daaaamage

[ionic magnet]

no even with nagato people are saying shes trash

[vague token]

oh

dunno

im sure she's better than trash tier

[ionic magnet]

i fought zacks weird def comp before

hiryuu amagi kaga bb

it walls amakaga just as well as wasda kek

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - win
so far

[vague token]

heh

[zenith tundra]

killed amagi before jesus

i think hiryuu works great against foxes and on offense

there was a nagato help there too but it still is impressive

i meant nagato barrage

@real notch
[ JoJo] (Nagato, Hiryuu, Amagi | Belfast, Yukikaze, Juneau) 13401/13259
ZackFairX (Nagato, Amagi, Kaga BB | Juneau, Belfast, Yukikaze) 14085/12960

game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - win
game 7 - win
game 8 - win
game 9 - win
game 10 - win

accidental kill so rip tests

dmg over dmg over more dmg

[shy hazel]

kgbb isnt weak

its inconsistent

[cerulean estuary]

how about lvl 110 / 200 aff kirishima with +10 meme gun

[zenith tundra]

u can only lose with that against cvs tbh

i'm pretty sure any bb comp wouldn't stand a chance against that dmg

[vague token]

sounds like a dps comp

you just race their hp to the ground

before yours goes

although i imagine whenever hiryuu kai shows up that matchup would go back to 50/50

cause now her dps is smooth

since the hanafuda is timer based

and she gets the stat boosts

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu kai dmg should be way better her main problem on defense are vg ships. the reason i won with nakaga against namaryuu was because yukikaze was tanking her dive bombers not allowing her to do full dmg on backlines.
with extra barrage extra hp and extra aviation i can totally see her soloing everything

[vague token]

gotcha

[buoyant parrot]

Alright so I've been using Namabaka for quite some time now... Against fully oath Amakaga fleets so far out of 10 matches 1 lose due to crappy RNG...

Of course further testing is required, my Nagato's yellow skill is just Lv4 currently

I also had to battle a full oath WASDA fleet but only once... No lose... But I don't think that's a valid way to check it. Need further moooooooooore battles.

As far as I can tell it looks like Namabaka is an Opposite version of WASDA. More of like a very offensive BB line up

apparently the weak link in this line up or sort of a double edge bladed sword is BB Kaga... She's very strong "WHEN HER SKILLS PROC" but if its not you're sort of in the danger zone unless Nagato procs her skill. Also BB Kaga is so squishy.

I have to wait and see if Nagato's Lv10 yellow skills help

[zenith tundra]

ijn bb are squishy vs aviation i can assure u that kaga bb against bb comps is tankier then amagi

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

so for now we can safely say Namabaka is Tier S

a possible SS even

[zenith tundra]

7.7k hp and heavy armor vs amagi 7.5k and medium armor (max oath)

[buoyant parrot]

that barrage is soo strong yet so RNG

one barrage to any of the fox makes their HP less than half when hit

[zenith tundra]

just imagine nagato barrage on a 60% proc...

or baga on a 70%

[buoyant parrot]

true

[zenith tundra]

it would be broken

[buoyant parrot]

its going to be a massacre

[lament lichen]

im on the 70 40 40 barrage route

[zenith tundra]

i think baga has a better barrage for a non flagship

[vague token]

i mean, they could just reduce the power

and increase the chance

xD

make everything 100% and reduce power accordingly

[zenith tundra]

no thanks

i don't feel like bb needs to be broken to that point considering that the chance of missing barrages is what makes them more rng based then cv

if u take away rng from bb u wouldn't even see cv unless really broken

[vague token]

i mean

kaga's barrage going from 50 to 100

would cut the power by 50%

unless they do it by hand

40% to 100% would be a similar reduction (bit more)

xD

[buoyant parrot]

anyway I have adjusted Namabaka's Tier from Tier Unrated to 1 in our Tierlist, any disapproval from the community let me know I'll slap you with data and on going testing

[vague token]

but they'd also have to nerf some of the 0 rng skills to go along with that

that would be like a true pvp reblance effort so it's a bit beyond dev help xD

[zenith tundra]

too bad for nakaga and amakaga. if there were no cv comps it would be t0 for sure

[vague token]

rip

[dusk bridge]

these abbreviations are getting out of hand

[vague token]

is it any worse than the gear names?

[coral wren]

They are

[buoyant parrot]

if you have better abbreviations by all means let us know. We want to hear your thoughts

[vague token]

i mean you could also just use a category of Namagi

and then just make tabs with the 3rd

and just refer to only the 3rd

xD

Namagi-BBKaga

[dusk bridge]

There aren't any good abbreviations which is why it's getting out of hand

[vague token]

or w/e

[buoyant parrot]

too long

unlike (HMS) WS

or (HMS) DOY

[vague token]

Nama-BK?

[buoyant parrot]

hmmm looks good

will ask opinions of others

[vague token]

good old namagi burger king

my favorite comp

[leaden sequoia]

NABK

even shorter

more confusing tho

[ionic magnet]

dont really care as long as people can recognize it at first glance

[buoyant parrot]

well people recognize Namabaka at first glance

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

yea thats fine

[vague token]

you're the baka

jk

[dusk bridge]

i had to think about namabaka

but im just stupid

[leaden sequoia]

Namabaga then?

cuz BBaga

[buoyant parrot]

some people corrected that from Namabaga to Namabaka

[split socket]

namabaka translates to raw idiot in japanese z_z

[buoyant parrot]

that is why its Namabaka now

[zenith tundra]

the problem with namabaka is what does the ba stand for?

[leaden sequoia]

either way sounds fine to me xD

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

[split socket]

(ba)ttleship kaga maybe

[ionic magnet]

how abt just call it namakagabb

[vague token]

and when people question you using bbkaga, you call them a baka clearly

[zenith tundra]

kaga battleship not battleship kaga

[buoyant parrot]

go on make a discussion of the stupid name please so we could get consensus that this community agrees upon. Stupid name

[leaden sequoia]

nah, namakaga contains amakaga which is associated with Akagi as well

[split socket]

namaga ?

[ionic magnet]

thats why we add bb at the end?

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't make any sense

[ionic magnet]

namakagabb

who will confuse that with any other comp tbh

[split socket]

shit just call it NAK

[buoyant parrot]

@ionic magnet sound like a great idea

[leaden sequoia]

I mean, to me namakagabb sounds like Nagato/Amagi/Akagi/KagaBB xD

[buoyant parrot]

they wouldn't be that stupid if they saw AkaBB

[ionic magnet]

nah p sure noone will think about akagi in there xD

[split socket]

namakagabb is so long it doesn't even feel like abbreviation anymore

[buoyant parrot]

NamaKagaBB sound good to me

well go on

continue the discussion

[ionic magnet]

its just 2 letters longer

how lazy are people nowadays

[buoyant parrot]

NamakagaBB
Namabaka - stupid...

[leaden sequoia]

I feel like it's not about laziness but about being able to quickly pull abbreviations from a wall of text

[vague token]

or just Namagi (BK)

and you can search for the key

[ionic magnet]

then how about namakbb

[split socket]

Namaga 😐

[buoyant parrot]

ooooooooooooooooo namakbb loooooks better to me

[leaden sequoia]

imagine pronouncing that tho

[buoyant parrot]

thats fine

[leaden sequoia]

3 consonants woo

[buoyant parrot]

we don't have to pronounce that shit anyway

[ionic magnet]

LOL

[lament lichen]

someone gona make a yt vid and start saying them

[buoyant parrot]

or you can go with Kiro's idea NamaKB

😂

[vague token]

i mean it isnt my google doc

[dusk bridge]

the whole idea of an abbreviation is lazy

[lament lichen]

i mean you're just using nagato amagi as the core

[vague token]

xD

like, use whatever is search friendly

[zenith tundra]

how about we make a strawpoll and put some of the name variants and who gets the most votes is choose?

[buoyant parrot]

in any case... This is a stupid way to start my day, I just had to let that out

yes yes a Poll will do

[vague token]

oh, and to check

will it be NamaHir

NamaYuu

??

[split socket]

namaryuu

[leaden sequoia]

Namaryuu

[vague token]

for consistency

ok

[split socket]

or tenryuumon

[buoyant parrot]

its a good thing Megumin isn't here... She could have just butchered every abbreviations we have now... feels bad "chunchunmaru"

[ionic magnet]

dont even start by saying someone might confuse ryuujou in there

[leaden sequoia]

pfft

ignoring Souryuu aren't we

[ionic magnet]

whos that

[split socket]

if they confuse ryuujou then they deserve to run a shit comp

[vague token]

that'll be a problem when we get ws kai

[lament lichen]

ryuujou

[vague token]

but not yet xD

[buoyant parrot]

WSK will do for Warspite Kai

[leaden sequoia]

actually, Ryuujou would go better with RJ

so ehhh

[vague token]

no i mean bunnies + wsk

[leaden sequoia]

NamaRJ

[buoyant parrot]

its like DOY Duke of York

[leaden sequoia]

if that was Ryuujou

[buoyant parrot]

Warspite Kai - WSK

[vague token]

souryuu doesnt exist for anything until wsk

[zenith tundra]

Namabaga, Namabaka, Namakb, Namaga.... anything else?

[split socket]

bunnies + wsk = Warbunnies

[vague token]

oh that's good

[dusk bridge]

Dork = Duke of York

[buoyant parrot]

NamaKB

[zenith tundra]

with only 1 b now?

[buoyant parrot]

you may add 2 B as well

😂

[split socket]

NamaBBQ

[vague token]

kek

[buoyant parrot]

damn stupid NAMES...

[ionic magnet]

imagine abbreviating VG names as well

[zenith tundra]

so no other entry?

[dusk bridge]

my entry would be too offensive

"stop being lazy and just type all their names"

[vague token]

this is where the meme where the guy gets kicked out of the window is appropriate

[buoyant parrot]

[split socket]

How does "stop being lazy and just type all their names" fair against Washington + SouthDakota + Amagi? 🤔

[buoyant parrot]

oh you're even not putting in IJN USS HMS KMS

USS Washington + USS South Dakota + IJN Amagi?

[zenith tundra]

https://www.strawpoll.me/17837435

[real notch]

thanks @zenith tundra

i saw all the tests and read chat

basically nakaga defensive VG + cuda better?

[ionic magnet]

namaga is legit confusing

[real notch]

in terms of namaryuu opponents?

[red nexus]

It's obviously namaga

[ionic magnet]

what abt hyuuga

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze being alive makes a huge difference

[red nexus]

nAmaGa

[real notch]

yeah YKKZ is indispensable it seems

what about ryuusei results?

you had 70% WR with defensive VG

[zenith tundra]

and the problem with 2 ryuusei is too rng dmg

like u have no control if it hits or just does no damage

[ionic magnet]

wow talking pvp in pvp channel

go vote plebs

[real notch]

is it because VGs not dying fast enough?

[split socket]

u'd need slow for them to be effective

[real notch]

yo where is namababa

i'm angery

[zenith tundra]

amagi being 70% hp bottom after an airstrike doesn't help

[vague token]

i mean, with core data soon ryuusei 818 will pop up soon?

err

research

not core

X_x

[zenith tundra]

it is core data

[split socket]

ryuusei is limited to vdyr iirc?

[vague token]

wait it is?

[dusk bridge]

PR gives you blueprints for ryuusei and reppu

[zenith tundra]

and 818 works well with ryuusei because it's more consistent

[leaden sequoia]

from either research or vdir replay feature?

[dusk bridge]

its from research

[zenith tundra]

818 is core data

[split socket]

oh so I can actually finish my 3rd ryuusei owo

[vague token]

oh ok

[dusk bridge]

dont know why you would actually want 3, but yeah i guess

[vague token]

for pve of course ;)

jk

[split socket]

don't really want it, but I had farmed the bps before vdyr rerun

and I still don't have enough bp to complete it so it feels like wasted effort if I dont at least complete it somehow

[dusk bridge]

youll eventually end up with way more BPs for it

[zenith tundra]

gonna post the poll tomorrow too so it's gonna be a while before we decide on that abbreviation

[split socket]

besides, I could use the gold torp to pad my fleet power ranking some more :3

I'm hoarding all gold equips except for fighters & cranes now

[dusk bridge]

ive started selling steam catas

[real notch]

how many steam catas do you have

[dusk bridge]

right now?

25

[split socket]

gold ones ?

[dusk bridge]

i should prolly sell more

yeah

[split socket]

dafuq

[vague token]

nani

[dusk bridge]

this was from before starting D2 farming

[split socket]

siren farming? or just insane box luck?

[dusk bridge]

just a combination of rerolling shop for boxes when the game first came out and now casual box luck and drop luck

i can build 3 more right now if i wanted to

i never buy boxes anymore

[real notch]

wow u fuker

i think u have more than me

lemme check

[ionic magnet]

why do you keep that many

[real notch]

ohhhh god damn it

u have 3 more than me

[zenith tundra]

@real notch what's ur rank?

[ionic magnet]

i only kept 7 and sold others kek

[real notch]

i'm 10/10 687

[split socket]

so much waste owo just give them to every cv/cvl

never have to swap gear if u decide to lvl a ship

[real notch]

tbh my really prized collection is either my AA guns or my twin 127s

[split socket]

especially with the fleet technology coming

[dusk bridge]

btw @real notch, a friend of mine that plays JP still and does a lot of PvP experimenting said he uses this and hasnt had to reset in 2 months.

[real notch]

VG looks pretty standard yea

but that's interesting backline

centaur and monarch?

i thought it would be namagi wskai

[lament lichen]

yeah its centaur monarch

no

you only need wskai to do well

[zenith tundra]

and u don't reset for 2 months because pvp is just put ws kai to auto win

[coral wren]

Who wins, Yukikaze with her almost dead hp potion or Amakaga backline?

[real notch]

that's a full hp akagi so probably amakaga

[split socket]

keep playing to find out

[coral wren]

Easy ykkz win, only took 2 mins to kill them

The bombs literally were miss miss miss 1 damage or outside the range of hit

[split socket]

so did the torps kill amagi in ur screenshot?

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze dmg is pretty much only torp and barrage. depends if she gets lucky and manages to survive for another 1-2 torp waves

[real notch]

LMAOOO

[coral wren]

She died before the next attack

But not just from those torps

[real notch]

that's a long af match

[coral wren]

Yeah, my backline died because the hp potion refused to die first

[real notch]

but yea thx @dusk bridge i'll keep that in mind

[zenith tundra]

using ap gun in pvp

[dusk bridge]

i can SS his explination too

one sec

keep in mind that the only fleets for the most part on JP are still nakaga or nagato, amagi, hiryuu kai

[coral wren]

I forgot to say it, but yuki survived at 60% hp

[real notch]

lol that's interesting

but centaur only buffs 10% FP

[dusk bridge]

have you seen the centaur torp spam?

its actually nuts

[real notch]

nope i have not

all i know is centaur is strong

[zenith tundra]

centaur is less a dead weight then qe tho. at least she does dmg to vg not just buff

[real notch]

send vids kek

[dusk bridge]

pretty much what zack said

[zenith tundra]

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/半人马

[buoyant parrot]

guys don't forget to vote please. Your help is important
https://www.strawpoll.me/17837435/r

[coral wren]

the one true option is Namakaga

[buoyant parrot]

we ain't 120

please do take note that we are at EN and only current set up is what we tier

tierlisting will always be updated anyway

but for now we will have to tier what we have

coz if someone's just going to invalidate EN Tierlisting they better not PLAY EN and go to JP/CN instead and follow their tierlisting

[ionic magnet]

what are those colors above equips mean btw

im doing hms rn

well hms doy only since im still levelling ws

[buoyant parrot]

regarding color coding on weapon I have no idea, I think its @real notch 's the one who handles that part

[ionic magnet]

mm i'll ignore that for now then

[zenith tundra]

green is bis yellow is viable and red is situational

[ionic magnet]

oh

gotcha

[buoyant parrot]

oh I didn't know that what does color coding means 😂

[ionic magnet]

put it at the top i guess

[zenith tundra]

i need to that

[real notch]

this poll is cursed

there's no namababa in there

[buoyant parrot]

that name is actually the reason why the abbreviation got changed...

😂

[buoyant parrot]

just some ideas from #avrora-general

[dusk bridge]

i can get behind kagamagi

rolls off the tongue the best imo