pvp

[odd schooner]

Ye pearl Belfast

[shy hazel]

my nagato lvl 99

[odd schooner]

Pearl bulge
Boiler bulge
Boiler box

[shy hazel]

oops sorry went under a tunnel

[left onyx]

why boiler?

[random vault]

speed

[odd schooner]

Kansen drifto

[shy hazel]

to dodge bb bullets

[left onyx]

beaver badge good enough?

[odd schooner]

It dodges airstrikes mostly

[shy hazel]

beaver is for backline

[odd schooner]

Oh wait i thinj

Jesus beaver boiler

Let me double check

After this node

[real notch]

i might go 2x oxytorp for testing

but i like toolkit boiler on nanoda

[left onyx]

2x oxytorp is great, on ayanami that is

[shy hazel]

im using two rn

[odd schooner]

Ah nvm boiler bulge

[left onyx]

no idea about nanoda

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

Badge on chocolate

[shy hazel]

jintsu nanoda

[real notch]

btw gurren, when u tested against sumire

how many oxytorps did u have

[odd schooner]

No wonder i got spare +10 sg for nagato

[zenith tundra]

@real notch what's jesus fleet power. i want to understand the difference in between oath and not

[left onyx]

i might have to give nagato SoDak's SG

[real notch]

uhh sure

[shy hazel]

btw how many hood guns u ppl have now

[real notch]

my jesus is not oathed btw

[left onyx]

3

[shy hazel]

pr here so gon get removed

[zenith tundra]

rip then

[hot creek]

2

[random vault]

2

[left onyx]

1 on amagi, 1 on hood, the last on arizona

[zenith tundra]

3

[real notch]

3997 @zenith tundra

[shy hazel]

3

[hot creek]

i was holding off in case they announce shells but rip

[shy hazel]

i still got about a thousand

for shells

i have a strong feeling it will be here next month

instant white and black shells

[zenith tundra]

half month and 900 so if they add shells easy 1st day both

[real notch]

nagamon 102

[left onyx]

yea, i've got a thousand too

and isn't the white shell the one to get?

or do you need both?

[zenith tundra]

ap>shs

[hot creek]

das racist

[real notch]

white > black

i mean shells

[left onyx]

but do you need both though?

[real notch]

WHOOAAAA BUDDYY

[left onyx]

no i guess

[real notch]

black is used for nagato sometimes

and HMS ships

[left onyx]

i take it as a no then

cause i don't use HMS ships tbh

[real notch]

wasd more often uses white

[left onyx]

amagi?

white?

[real notch]

amagi is white

ok u know what

i'm gonna make a risky bet and say

nakaga is going to be stronger than we think

[left onyx]

i'm in no position to use nakaga atm

[real notch]

i've been looking at a lot of things for the past bit

and i think while nakaga is being repressed in CN/JP, the same stuff repressing them is not really existent in EN

[left onyx]

oh god...

[real notch]

for one, we are not at 120 yet

second, we don't have taihou, hiryuukai, ws kai, whatever

but we do have everything we need for traditional nakaga

sendai, aurora, jintsuu, YKKZ, etc.

[left onyx]

i have to wonder how you bunch get levels so quickly

[ionic magnet]

what gun do you guys use on our loli cockroach

[real notch]

loli cockroach AKA YKKZ?

twin 100mm

[ionic magnet]

yea lol

[left onyx]

not 76mm?

[ionic magnet]

hmm im using 100mm rn also

[real notch]

uhhhh no

[ionic magnet]

guess ill stick with it

[real notch]

well, 15 FP and 30 AA stat

[left onyx]

and ayanami?

[real notch]

mainly why i use it

[left onyx]

then again ayanami is a shoein for 76mm

[real notch]

ayanami i currently have 76mm

but i don't use ayanami in PVP

so only PVE there

oh, and 3rd reason why i think nakaga is better rn

[blazing scroll]

I would take 30AA over slight reload buff

[real notch]

if you run namagi, you will have a hard time getting good enough AA

[blazing scroll]

Especially in pvp

[real notch]

since both amagi and nagato have sad little AA guns

[left onyx]

hmm

[real notch]

hiryuu kai has hanafuda planes, 40 less AVA

something normal hiryuu doesn't have

[left onyx]

i may have to restructure half of my pvp team

[real notch]

but nakaga with twinfox will have good enough interception AA to save nagato's HP

[left onyx]

that's gonna be a pain since most of em aren't even leveled

[real notch]

well, i am just saying

i could be wrong

since it is all speculation

amakaga is still like top tier lol

[left onyx]

hey at least your sendai isn't like at lvl ~60 or juneau at lvl ~40

[blazing scroll]

You can do without sendai if you have aurora

[real notch]

ehh yea sendai was kind of a disappointment for me

yea she's still amazing with foxes but

[blazing scroll]

The flare is a gimmick

Torp buff is still great tho

[real notch]

the practicality of her flare positioning lining up with amagi barrage is like

20-30% chance

which is helluva lot lower than i thought before i maxed my sendai

so yes slightly disappointed

[left onyx]

Oh well, i'll get her up for collection anyway

[shy hazel]

my sendi 92

hiryuu 80

ill raise them after nagato

now that i think about it lol

[blazing scroll]

I can't imagine having a lvl99 belfast tho

[shy hazel]

i dont have third person for amakaga

[blazing scroll]

I use her so much

[shy hazel]

my hyuuga is 95

did u alrdy

refit

thats like pork 👀

dunno if i want dd gun on nagato for xtra aa

or go full belgun

👀

i have as much belguns and dd gun

[ionic magnet]

its always dd gun for me

[shy hazel]

belgun means more dmg for big 7

dd gun means more aa and

more dmg when ur vg gets cleared

if running namagi dd guns should be better

if amakaga might as well throw everything

and go belgun

[real notch]

my hyuuga is 110 but i dusted all my recon planes OMEGALUL

i ended crafting a blue zuiun

[shy hazel]

i dont have a single +10 seaplane

[blazing scroll]

[shy hazel]

whats currently the best trashplane anyways

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DevNh/7986155d56.png

[shy hazel]

holy crap

i reduced my zuiun

where to farm

nvm

zuiun is aichi

[ionic magnet]

gg already 110

[shy hazel]

me no oil

lvl 99 in event maps rn

[random vault]

when u doing d2 and 3 battleship sirens keep spawning

[shy hazel]

next week full hms

for monarch farm

[random vault]

we dunno if its next week do we

[shy hazel]

so far in the past months

[ionic magnet]

we dont know but its most likely next week

[shy hazel]

announcement and update after that

has been weekly

so lots of complaints too

[random vault]

which pr will u guys grind first

monarch?

[ionic magnet]

monarch

[hot creek]

Nep cause [Headnod]

[shy hazel]

monarch cos nicest pr backline

[stark raft]

Nep and Monarch

[shy hazel]

lots of good pr vanguard

[real notch]

wtf phoenix u madlad

did you train yourself to farm while sleeping

[shy hazel]

there

lvl 99

[hot creek]

i've been getting around 5-6 hours of sleep these past couple days

[real notch]

people like cyaneko and phoenix maxing their nagatos on day 4 meanwhile i am dusting all my recon planes like a retard

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/DevUB/455a711a97.png

its fine, I don't ring all my pvp ships so I can't say I'm hardcore

[stark raft]

ringed jesus are the true hardcore ones

[shy hazel]

i didnt ring jesus

me is not hardcore

[real notch]

guess i'm not hardcore

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

wait why am i slightly relieved

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[shy hazel]

now u dont need to keep up with kool kids

u ppl are too fast

i guess ill take out the 10k oil from event shop

[random vault]

[shy hazel]

i never touch it until the day before next event

well next event is kizuna event anywys

if its french botes then

[random vault]

inb4 kizuna ai surprise new OP gear

[stark raft]

prolly gear skins

[odd schooner]

Idk if she has enough stuff for gear skins

[midnight heron]

gear skins with bonus stats

[stark raft]

"Fakyu" torps

[odd schooner]

I mean if

Th shell we throw has additional sound

I'm good

HAI DOMO every shell

[stark raft]

yeah her skill activation line is that

[random vault]

hai domo every shell?

[stark raft]

and she has dbl torp

[random vault]

what if its sanshikidan

[real notch]

this kizuna event is amazing

since i used to be an official translator for her vids

and actually got to know AL thru translating her first collab with the game in 2017

[odd schooner]

Was it tough job

[real notch]

it wasn't that tough

the japanese she uses isn't rly hard to translate

and we had a nice team at the time

[shy hazel]

its casual high school jap

even ppl who watched tons of anime

can understand it

[real notch]

yee, actually this might be too much information but

[shy hazel]

👀

[real notch]

for people who speak japanese, it's often said aichan talks like a middle aged woman

lol

like her voice actress

[shy hazel]

cos of dirty jokes

[real notch]

yea also like her joke references

[shy hazel]

i dont watch kizuna though

[real notch]

are to like 80s pop culture

lol

[shy hazel]

it makes my japanese

stupid

[real notch]

honestly

i took translating aichan vids as a challenge cus

i thought that if i could understand aichan blabbering at 2x sped up speed, i could understand anyone's japanese

[shy hazel]

she talks alot of things that is inside joke to japanese people too

[real notch]

especially with like game noises in the BG

[shy hazel]

fak yu

👀

[real notch]

ファックユ～！！

ファックユファックユ

[shy hazel]

its katakana dont wrry

[real notch]

cutest F U i ever heard

[shy hazel]

2 years ive lived in japan shes the first one

to say fk u

lool

[real notch]

lool true

it's so kawaii though

[shy hazel]

time to see kizuna bote def memes in pvp soon

shell probably do the signature noisy yell when shes at red hp

[real notch]

i actually deeply am hoping aichan becomes meta PVP

i would be extremely happy

[shy hazel]

impossible lel

[real notch]

listening to aichan voice everytime i fight in exercise

[stark raft]

she's speculated as dd right?

[shy hazel]

got big torps

looks light

probably dd

[real notch]

i hope she has some god tier barrage that makes her meta

[left onyx]

I just hope she's usable

[shy hazel]

other than wows pure collab ships are all crap

lol

[left onyx]

Game on mute

[stark raft]

oof

[random vault]

typical ijn dd

[shy hazel]

the only noisy ijn dd is ayanami is it

[real notch]

what if aichan was a torp buffing DD

jintsuu sendai aichan

[left onyx]

I wonder if she would have 2 torp slots and no main gun

[random vault]

[real notch]

2 torp slots

holy shit

that'd be fire

[shy hazel]

[random vault]

imagine facetorping twice

[real notch]

that would actually make her meta

with jintsuu and sendai

[shy hazel]

thats ibuki in a nutshell

double preloaded

[random vault]

no i mean like

when dd reloaded they can shoot one torp

[stark raft]

2 torp slots and 1 preloaded

[random vault]

make aichan able to shoot 2 from one reload

[left onyx]

Double torp skill?

[real notch]

double torp skill but with 2 torp slots

so quadruple torp potential

[random vault]

actually why even give her antiair

[shy hazel]

well being realistic

[random vault]

give her 3 torp slot

[shy hazel]

its just impossible for the devs to be that memey

lol

[real notch]

yo it's possible

[stark raft]

sandy got a song + vid + retrofit

[random vault]

i mean we had a purple heart who only had a barrage fired after losing s rank

[stark raft]

[real notch]

aichan was one of the first people that endorsed AL

[random vault]

they can do stupid skills if they want

[real notch]

and supported them

loll sub diego

taht's true

[shy hazel]

only 50% torp efficiency maybe

[stark raft]

give her eldridge barrage but with torps instead

[random vault]

LMAO

[real notch]

KEK eldridge barrage but torps instead

imagine that

[random vault]

so basically she becomes a replica of the sendai boss in 11-4

[blazing scroll]

Big 7 torp variety

[real notch]

ok nagamon 103... i'm gonna call it a night

[blazing scroll]

[real notch]

night guys

[blazing scroll]

Night

[shy hazel]

dont forget to wake up early to sandbag

[left onyx]

Night dude

[modern tree]

use firework gun, you wont

[shy hazel]

its zack

what plus is your aa radar tho

oo maybe i try later

u mean on nagato right

whos your front

[stark raft]

yeah but the clear times

I've fallen asleep so many times using phx as 1:1

[shy hazel]

whos your boss fleet

close to mine

noca ent sendai aya

lul

grinding levels

[buoyant parrot]

up to now I still don't have sendai and its event after event

I can't farm her if this continues

[grave gale]

@balmy torrent The rare times where light armor is actually better. CA and BB AP ammo does shit to light.

[buoyant parrot]

how I farm D2

there's really no need for Aurora I'm just leveling her up

and my Kaga is 197 Affection

just going to have it to 200 then change it to Hiryuu

[split socket]

whats ur gear setup for nagato & bel?

[buoyant parrot]

Nagato the usual gold things

Bellfast gear that's not OP coz if it is Nagato won't be MvP

[split socket]

thx, missing an underlvled belgun but I guess I can try swapping in an ap gun

[blazing scroll]

I wouldn't put an ap gun on her tho

Because of her skill

[split socket]

its for D2 1:1 nagato lvling. Bel is doing too much dmg with maxed belgun so I'm trying to gimp her so nagato can get mvp

[shy hazel]

woah

momo sandbagged

thats new

[ionic magnet]

nah he just used his attempts late

prolly slept or smth

but he still used all 5 in one go

hopefully no more mistakes next season so i can compete with trihards

[shy hazel]

its time

[ionic magnet]

👀

[shy hazel]

waiting 30 mins for nagato skill in acad

[modern tree]

in case you guys have not igured it out, circular defense gives you shitload of AA and I am pretty sure the AA radars are super redundant

[shy hazel]

im gonna invest till 7 on yellow i guess

then red again

just so nagato has real purpose in nakaga

[modern tree]

just turn it on for carrier siren, I am having no issues and my phoenix is like 103

[violet comet]

Did anyone give witchia a good shot? She looks promising with HMS

[modern tree]

who

[violet comet]

Wichita

[modern tree]

how does she fit in HMS and why arent you trying Leander instead

[violet comet]

Leander has...?

Idk I saw HMS having a lot of cruisers so shrug

[modern tree]

Leander has a really good smoke, retrofit stats and arty command like Wichita

[violet comet]

Ohhh TIL

[modern tree]

and shes HMS

[violet comet]

Gotchu

[shy hazel]

wait

i didnt even know wichita is hms

[violet comet]

She isnt

I never knew leander does her job

Tho ig she's still usable

[ionic magnet]

wichita will die p fast in pvp

[violet comet]

Even if she is supported?

Oh well

[shy hazel]

shes paper

then shes vanguard

a single torp will break her to pieces

[ionic magnet]

only portland and mogami are the useable CAs

[blazing scroll]

Saint Louis is coming too

[ionic magnet]

eh in a month sure

[violet comet]

Well you saved me

Exp better used

For another ship

Lol

[blazing scroll]

Yeah it will take some time but still

[violet comet]

Boi having to do monarch and then saint will hurt me

Hms tho boutta pop out

[ionic magnet]

just did sone maths earlier and I'll need around 40k oils to farm 3 mil exp in 8-4

[blazing scroll]

Yes until they release warsprite kai

[violet comet]

Although I was wondering, how do 3 BBs

Deal with carriers?

[blazing scroll]

Use wasda

Huge AA stats

[violet comet]

I mean if one uses HMS

It seems like a lost battle

[blazing scroll]

I don't use HMS myself so I don't know for sure

[violet comet]

Also no washington

[ionic magnet]

hms has decent AA and they deal with foxes with no problems

[violet comet]

I see

[shy hazel]

ofc u need perfect gears

and oaths

[violet comet]

Fug

Me poor boi

Only oather Amagi

Oathed*

[blazing scroll]

What's decent AA tho?

[shy hazel]

hms needs hardwork

[modest elbow]

around 300+

[buoyant parrot]

are you going to be a try hard? if so start oathing PvP ships

[blazing scroll]

Because HMS is around 200

[shy hazel]

peoplr choose ijn cos is easy

[violet comet]

Not really @buoyant parrot

IJN are c00t

[ionic magnet]

yea ijns has around 150

[blazing scroll]

Even with QE buff it ain't that high

[violet comet]

I dont even have foxes

[shy hazel]

meanwhile uss has 300~400

[blazing scroll]

Exactly

[shy hazel]

when sandy comes and skill procs

1k aa on one ship

lul

[violet comet]

I dont plan on using full IJN anyway, so whatever

I can fit in someone else

To do the job

Belfast iirc is good at dealing with foxes

Correct?

[blazing scroll]

Is there a cd on sandy skill?

Yes Belfast smoke helps with the foxes

[violet comet]

Good-o

Cuz I backline is filled already with BBs

[modest elbow]

do you guys use ykkz with 100mm on pvp, or still 76?

[modern tree]

Nagato is funny

my yellow is at 8, I am going back for barrage now

also, 100 mm is more AA but I dont think its worth it in the end

this is why I got it to 8 whicxh is still pretty reasonable cost

and now I am maxing red

[vague token]

well, it's only accuracy, not hit rate xD

[violet comet]

wait, is hiryuu only used cause of the invincibility skill?

and her being IJN?

[modern tree]

she gets to have extra airstrike like a fox, except shes also invincible for 15 seconds when she does it

its okay

[violet comet]

i see

i wonder if there's room for change in that fleet

[modern tree]

I will use Hyuuga as soon as Nagato is leveled enough to not just be a detriment

[violet comet]

maybe a different vanguard might be interesting

with saint louis, perhaps? iunno

[modern tree]

I'd trade belfast for Louis any day

[violet comet]

how come?

[modern tree]

belfast is low key trash

[violet comet]

woah there

[modern tree]

and we will see less and less foxes

Louis is twice as tanky and has actual damage

[violet comet]

so less need for AA in the future

anyway, gotchu

who else there is not necessary?

cause ig the backline is a must

[modest elbow]

i actually replaced bel with sheff now for my wasda

[violet comet]

how come?

[modest elbow]

wanted to test it, somehow works, i guess

yukikaze's somehow tankier

[violet comet]

i see

maybe it depends on

how many foxes you meet

[modest elbow]

dunno, i find bel smoke only matches at the first airstrike

[vague token]

im trying sheff with minne, she just barely fits the hp threshold despite being 102 vs 110

xD

[zenith tundra]

as good as sheffield is she's usually worse against foxes

when ships stay in smoke

[vague token]

sheffy has way higher aa than belfast for some reason too

[zenith tundra]

aa helps with dmg reduction

for said ship

[vague token]

oh i guess the town class is all over the place

they dont share stats really

weird

or just if you arent fighting foxes really

since belfast's smoke doesnt do AS MUCH (still handy) against others

[zenith tundra]

i think sheffield buff lasting after her death is better then belfast but also belfast smoke helps ur vg get past 20 sec against bb comps without using too much speed

if u use too much speed ur vg wont die

[violet comet]

too much speed

[violet comet]

so many

i need more reloaders

i have like none of them

[zenith tundra]

when u use 2 sets of vgs u need more

i use 2

• beaver

on my vg

but wanted to have more for def comp as well

i tried 4 + beaver and my backlines died before my vg against wasda

not 1 ship in my vg died

bb cannot hit u if u fly around

if u don't need pearl and jesus heal maybe

but i lost because i didn't get any heal on backlines while opponent got full heal

1min in yukikaze full hp and belfast barely damaged

with 5 boilers

if i could find a way to sink jesus consistently with this setup it would be nice

1:30 yukikaze full hp

[violet comet]

interesting

that you have kaga BB

[zenith tundra]

i use kaga bb because my yellow skill was low level

[violet comet]

ahh I see

fair

[zenith tundra]

not really worth using hiryuu without dmg boost

for me

with nagato lvl 104

[violet comet]

understandable

ngl yukikaze with that skin

is miles miles better

than the regular skin

[zenith tundra]

i like her l2d a lot tbh

[violet comet]

i want and need

amagi oath skin

[leaden sequoia]

not a full stall setup without Hiryuu

[violet comet]

i still need to get nagato

[zenith tundra]

it's not really consistent speed since sometimes ships will stop right on top of bb shells and torp can hit for quite a bit without bulge

[violet comet]

i just keep getting

the golden AVI boost thingies

ffs

that is some

initial d levels of speed

(aux plates?)

[zenith tundra]

aren't u farming like crazy for nagato levels?

[leaden sequoia]

wdym Sirens drop a shitton of plates

[vague token]

lol

[leaden sequoia]

oh, you kill everyone on the map

that's mad strat

ahhhhhh fukkk I got it

since sirens spawn right at the beginning you can kill those and then dip out

not waiting for boss

I never do that tho

[violet comet]

i'd love to farm but i have no fucking oil

[leaden sequoia]

cuz I want to farm SR drops as well

[violet comet]

[leaden sequoia]

which don't drop on Sirens

[violet comet]

what do you do

for farming?

which ships

cause i just use whatever i have in 1:1

is phoenix max star?

[leaden sequoia]

Yama:PortKai in 1:1 rn cuz habit

[violet comet]

like did you

[leaden sequoia]

really? my PortKai somehow survives everything

[violet comet]

limit break

phoenix

okok

guess ill just put

amagi over nagato

and call it a day

[leaden sequoia]

and Yama's damage output is sufficient for ISSS D2 so that neither Yama, nor PortKai die too early, unline VDiR D3 which loved to spawn a lot of triforce nodes

[violet comet]

isss?

[leaden sequoia]

ISSS D2 spawns enough 2* nodes to never bother with 3*

this event

[vague token]

d2 does a lot of 2*

[leaden sequoia]

Ink-Stained Steel Sakura

[vague token]

although i go for 3 star carriers

cause i want those plates

[leaden sequoia]

ah yeah, only do triforce if for exp

otherwise do 1* and 2* for clearing speed

[buoyant parrot]

this is how I D2

nope

Amagi too stronk and nanoda

[leaden sequoia]

nah, Amagi procs + Hiryuu with Ryuusei should fuck up boss

and nanoda alone can tank Purifier's lazers

[buoyant parrot]

I can go live if you want to see lol

😂

[zenith tundra]

belfast is kind of costly

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, 11 oil

but if that's for the sake of lvl 120

that's fine

[buoyant parrot]

@zenith tundra true she is... DO you have another option?

and yes I'm working for 120

[leaden sequoia]

I remember I farmed with Phoenix so much in WC that I could insta 110 her

[buoyant parrot]

you're running 1:4 // 1:1
I ran 1:3 // 1:1 but I'm using Belfast, I can go Phoenix but such a waste of opportunity to Lv120 Belfast

[zenith tundra]

i don't care about belfast once i get roon/saint louis

[buoyant parrot]

I'm sticking to belfast - I'm HMS

[buoyant parrot]

St. Saint Louis confirmed

[leaden sequoia]

ahem, it's Saint, not St.

[vague token]

st lewdis is difference from saint louis

xD

[buoyant parrot]

xD

[vague token]

i used to get confused by that too though

[leaden sequoia]

the St. one you lood

the Saint one you respect and revere

tho you might want to lood that one as well, depending on preferences

[violet comet]

i feel like if you do that she might break your spine

[vague token]

"Prepare for god's judgement, sinner. "

yikes

[leaden sequoia]

that needs to be the special touch line

[violet comet]

Hon Hon Hon intensifies

[zenith tundra]

kamita definitely going for 1st place how did he managed to get so many bonuses...

[lament lichen]

he got +4

[zenith tundra]

hope he burned some refreshes

[lament lichen]

he probably had too

theres no way to get bonues with my score

[zenith tundra]

i fucked up while testing against u in my list and won by accident

at least it was a +10

[lament lichen]

the gap by the time we finish the 5 matches is just 20 points

i just trying to maintain +2 bonuses per reset

[zenith tundra]

well i just hope rng will give me good opponents to at least get top 10

[lament lichen]

man i attacked and game already giving me people behind me

[versed atlas]

i dont know why

but my fleet feels so strong vs randoms now thanks to the SG suggestion

i literally switched out one of my frontline ships for a level 1 purin

still won np

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/519636676587552794/567063694010351627/unknown.png

enemy fleet

mine

[zenith tundra]

mirror already lol

[versed atlas]

i wish i had nagato

[lament lichen]

amagi bot lol

[violet comet]

where should I use the SG?

in BBs?

ig since I have purple ones

ill not even bother

and just use loaders

tytyty

[lament lichen]

also wtf mogami on ougi's team

[violet comet]

ooohhhh

tytyty

[versed atlas]

i would use mogami too

[lament lichen]

team probably really slow

[zenith tundra]

my list at least is with ppl ahead but dunno about how many still pushing

[versed atlas]

but mine isn't high enough level

[zenith tundra]

nagato brought them to 10% all so rip that

[versed atlas]

i think you have an advantage large enough that it just doesn't matter

i wish i had nagatoooooooooooooooooooooo

[violet comet]

^^^^^^^^^^^^

fukken same

[versed atlas]

why not

well

[violet comet]

hp and evasion?

[versed atlas]

if tyiou have 2x SGs

it's better

cause nagato wants her hit rate

but yes, beaver badge works great too

it'll be like an 80 eva BB

[zenith tundra]

hit rating on nagato boost dmg of barrage so much

[versed atlas]

well, all the battleships/battlecruisers are reliant on hit rate

their base hit rate is abysmal

[zenith tundra]

we are forced to use beaver on nagato unless u use hyuuga/baga

[violet comet]

a man of colture

i see

[zenith tundra]

i'll keep hiryuu she should be able to make me win even with low level nagato

[violet comet]

my hyuuga is already elveld up

so i gotta use ehr somehow

lol

that carrier boost won't be the end of the world, eh

also did you put her as flagship?

kk

vanguard is usual stall?

since i have portland lvl100 i might swap her

for helena and put ehr as tank

and put belfast as support

since i still gotta use ayanami lol

yeah its temporary

worst case scenario ill swap em back

[versed atlas]

i'm leveling portland in pvp

[violet comet]

i also bought atagun

i wanted to test it

[vague token]

pr rng for gear oh boi

[violet comet]

wait

how bonkersr are the guns

in PR?

[leaden sequoia]

slight strict upgrades to respective normal guns, I would say

Nepgun to tbtsk, 203 proto mle to 203 mounted and 203 proto no.3, 203 proto skc to 203 skc

[vague token]

i cant wait for a CA to be a proper bruiser

instead of full tank

or full glass

[zenith tundra]

pr ships have 0 luck might just get rekt u know

[vague token]

that isnt glass xD

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze is tankier then pr ships by luck stat

[vague token]

kek

wasnt there another "lucky ship"

nowari?

[leaden sequoia]

nowaki is un lucky ship

the other lucky one is poi

[vague token]

oh they changed her skill name

nevermind

i thought it was like Lucky Ship but now it's Gambler's Ship

[violet comet]

what is

dev30

[vague token]

pr mechanics

[violet comet]

oohhh ok

[vague token]

it's a different limit break that gives them their mounts and stuff

oh god the prototype 203

has a 1.3 coefficient

[violet comet]

Ohh okok

[vague token]

dear god that damage

[violet comet]

You have to do what with that?

Moar "missions"?

[vague token]

oh

hatakaze has high luck

and she has a weird backline damage reduction skill

but also makes herself tankier to cl and dd

xD

[zenith tundra]

roon gun gonna shred stuff

[vague token]

yeah that thing is a yikes/10

lol

[hot creek]

did math wrong and took a match I thought was 35+ difference but wasnt. matchmaking gave me a +1 after though

also r1 this season might not be so free for me. Theres one other player who has consistently been in my score range these past resets and now im spooked.

[zenith tundra]

how do u still get +1? did ppl on sandy actually started to play pvp correctly?

[hot creek]

there were five rushers who had enough score difference

just lucker'd

amagi barrage can take out half of a fox's HP, is that normal?

guess I never really noticed since she rarely aim at flank before

i wonder if positioning is affecting it

[zenith tundra]

it happens when she shoots he shells at barrage target too

[elder crane]

Yeah, with some support 2 barrages can kill a Fox

Which happens before 2nd strike, if it activates like that, pretty much auto-win

[hot creek]

are you guys still doing sub missions?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[elder crane]

Yep, might as well, they're super easy

[zenith tundra]

i stack 8 of them

[hot creek]

well i keep getting world 10 missions so its not that easy lmao

[zenith tundra]

but w9-10 are too much oil so rip that

[elder crane]

10 are the ones you want though

[hot creek]

i know but oil sink

and it just feels so pointless. girinding out sub maps for the sake of getting better gear to better farm sub maps

[elder crane]

True that

Well, only way to get sub equip, so...

[vague token]

someday we'll get a sub in pvp

[elder crane]

oh god can you imagine subs in PvP

[vague token]

yeah, it's called 1 sub allowed

fixed oxygen

so they always surface

and get shot

[zenith tundra]

i hope they make subs better still something u can use to take a break from normal grinding

[vague token]

or you bring asw to kill them early

[hot creek]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddN37fZf0h4

[elder crane]

Chaser in PvP

[hot creek]

NO SUBS

[vague token]

kek

[elder crane]

Funny, cause WoWS is testing subs right now

[vague token]

use your favorite tea-aboo

or bogue

baseball girl in pvp

that would be next level

[elder crane]

And ofc the shite that is the CV rework

[vague token]

i just wish there was like

fighter dog fighting

to establish air superiority

then you'd have a reason to meme with zeros

[lament lichen]

oh boi all the nagato fleets

[zenith tundra]

what do u expect

ppl not to use her

[lament lichen]

not this early

[vague token]

free xp is free xp

[lament lichen]

meanwhile hiryuu died in 30 secs

[zenith tundra]

unless u have a good wasda u cannot stall so

[leaden sequoia]

I bet it's because Nagato is just so hyped by CN/JP veterans

[zenith tundra]

that's for sure

[elder crane]

Zeros is pretty bad at AA, so not even then

[vague token]

no, i mean if there was a dog fighting mechanic

like fighters circled above the vanguard

and fought each other

to clear the way for bombers

[leaden sequoia]

otherwise the speed at which she gets used by the community would be something like Amagi's

which came out only 2 week earlier

so CN/JP had little data on her

[zenith tundra]

u don't need data on amagi... just look at her skills

[leaden sequoia]

I mean, Amagi didn't get this much hype despite her being objectively top-tier

[lament lichen]

its because of Nagato and how she was the primary team for a long time

[zenith tundra]

i know u mean but if people actually knew what they are doing u wouldn't necessarily need to rely on jp/cn

[leaden sequoia]

or maybe I should say "Nagato has been ingrained in people's minds for so long that she's automatically perceived as best of the best"

[hot creek]

has anyone tried namagi hyuuga yet? I havent bothered with it myself since Hiryuu is so cozy.

[leaden sequoia]

and Amagi didn't get that treatment

[zenith tundra]

it's gonna be same for ws kai

everyone will use her day 1

[modern tree]

I am waiting for Nagato skills before I try Hyuuga

[coral wren]

Just use Hiryuu?

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather not rely on hyuuga buff when nagato is not max level yet

[hot creek]

tru dat. but man, Hiryuu puts in good work. 15 sec invuln so nice

[vague token]

and gives you reset time if rng hates you

xD

[coral wren]

I am maxing her defense skill right now

What do I use in frontline

[zenith tundra]

with nagato yellow skill hiryuu definitely feels stronger

i use yukikaze juneau belfast for namagi hiryuu

[coral wren]

I want a comp that don't have to reset much

[leaden sequoia]

in theory, Hiryuu alone should guarantee you don't have to reset much

but is that true for mirrors

[vague token]

well, hiryuu on defense means she procs earlier

since you do more damage

but then her final counter would proc your final counter

so then things are silly

[coral wren]

Do you win?

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, proccing enemy Hiryuu's final counter asap should guarantee a win as well

[zenith tundra]

tbh i don't want to play namagi hiryuu mirror

[vague token]

lol

[coral wren]

A lot of times I forget to reset and lose

[vague token]

just use someone bulky, hiryuu still only has like

what, 4k-5k hp tops?

[coral wren]

Bulky hmm

Hippo?

[vague token]

you can probably just snipe her with amagi

and then you're good

[leaden sequoia]

hmm, unless other backlines are still alive

[vague token]

foxes have 1k more hp than her

[leaden sequoia]

if that makes your BBs shoot at Hiryuu when she's invul, it wastes shots in the process

[vague token]

oh, well yeah xD

but that's rng anyways

[real notch]

i tried namagi hiryuu @hot creek

BiS at around 13.1k

but nagato only lv 100

[coral wren]

That number the deciding factor?

[real notch]

vs amakaga, the backline get's shredded

there's not enough AA

[zenith tundra]

ur taking 20% more dmg on nagato by level alone

[real notch]

i'm testing this now instead

[split socket]

just max her out before testing, otherwise it's just pointless

[real notch]

yea u r right

but i also need EXP in PVP lol

[zenith tundra]

amakaga shouldn't be a problem with hiryuu unless ur amagi just decides to do nothing

[grave gale]

Amagi and Nagato combined, that's really low AA. I never realized how pathetic's Nagato's AA stat was until it was pointed out earlier.

[zenith tundra]

nagato aa is worse then amagi

but she has more hp

[grave gale]

I think you'd need to run a high AA vanguard if you plan to use them well.

[zenith tundra]

aa on vg won't save nagato tbh

i don't think u can actually deal enough dmg to foxes planes

[modern tree]

just use Sandy and get the proc, ez

[zenith tundra]

amakaga mirror had planes vs planes dmg not just hiryuu fighters and vf-17 proc for aa

[analog hare]

I'm ready for next season

[real notch]

that's why i'm saying nakaga is still the way to go

but as tobi said, it's better to make statements after the nagato is maxed

[zenith tundra]

u prefer mirror nakaga?

[real notch]

at least you have fox interception AA

in that case

the downside is amagi always gets first strike over your nagato

[zenith tundra]

idk in between nakaga and namagi hiryuu mirror i'd pick namagi tbh

[real notch]

oh not mirror nakaga, nakaga vs amakaga

[zenith tundra]

amakaga won't be for much longer (unless people are that unlucky)

[real notch]

we really do need taihou or hiryuu kai

[violet comet]

fuck foxes

for having to farm them

for 10000 years

[zenith tundra]

the further away hiryuu kai is the further away ws kai is

[violet comet]

ws?

[zenith tundra]

warspite

[elder crane]

For Nakaga mirror as offense, may be worth trying out two strats eventually:

1. Stack as much offensive power as possible, have match already decided by 1st strike
2. Speed up strike at cost of damage, try to DpS race on 2nd wave by hitting seconds earlier

[zenith tundra]

even tho ws meta might me more fun to play then just mirrors

[elder crane]

WS meta I feel like should be greatly offense-favored
Haven't played it though, so might be wrong

[zenith tundra]

@elder crane reason 2->hate nakaga mirror

[violet comet]

eurobeat intensifies

[hidden wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXjHlZ_K_mM

[violet comet]

wat

[elder crane]

Catch all the torpedos
Though by the time she's solo that's not much of an issue

[vague token]

wait what

[violet comet]

[leaden sequoia]

eurobeat intensifies

[hidden wyvern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvaBaq9yuxY

[violet comet]

tfw it posts only

normie eurobeat

[zenith tundra]

...

[elder crane]

I'll try the first strat for the Nakaga mirror first prolly, I'm thinking Nakaga Sirius Sendai Aurora, or maybe Jint subbed in there somewhere?

[zenith tundra]

i would use sirius aurora as core and change 3rd according to enemy

[real notch]

i like the 2nd strat

i was also thinking about that too

[elder crane]

Yeah, Sendai only vs Belfast probably

[real notch]

assuming 200 aff oathed, whichever fox strikes milliseconds faster wins

[elder crane]

Strike waves take a second to fully hit though, so you will need more than that

Probably at least comet/barra

[zenith tundra]

i still want to see how nakaga does against wasda

[real notch]

whichever fox drops the 2000lb bombs faster wins

[elder crane]

Main dmg of foxes on main fleet is TBs though

[split socket]

assuming bis, urs always drops the bombs faster

[real notch]

cus it doesn't matter if enemy foxes takeoff or not, as long as your foxes are faster

[elder crane]

I mean, between when the strike first starts dealing dmg and the last points come in, is a second or two

[violet comet]

will souryuu and hiryuu retro be better than foxes?

[real notch]

the damage timing in order is DB --> touchdown --> TB

[elder crane]

so you need at least a second of diff by 2nd strike ideally

[real notch]

the divebombs will always bomb first

[elder crane]

Barras for sure, probably sacrifice DBs to speed before Fighters?

[modern tree]

I ran Junkers for a while, never lost with it, didnt notice any damage difference, its faster just a bit. Was before lvl110 tho

[violet comet]

"will souryuu and hiryuu retro be better than foxes?"

[elder crane]

They do not replace foxes, in the sense that you just drop them into the same team

[real notch]

it's unclear

[elder crane]

HIryuu has her role, separately, Souryuu has no place in PvP really

[real notch]

even if their kais give them 500 AVA they still strike half as fast as foxes

[violet comet]

sigh fuge

[real notch]

er, well 25% maybe since i think the hanafudas are at intervals of 15 35 etc.

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't really matter tbh foxes cannot win against rabbits because of hiryuu

[violet comet]

i really don't wanna farm them, with my luck i'll never have them

ig i'll make do without them

and use bestrabbits

[elder crane]

Might still be good enough without kai, we haven't tested it with Nagato yet
For Amkaga, Hiryuu teams don't wall very well on defense yet, so so I hear
Works really well on offense though, but what doesn't

Amagi/Hood/Hiryuu also deals with WaSDA well on offense, somewhat surprisingly

[split socket]

I wouldn't be so quick to outrule souryuu yet, her retro is still pretty amazing

[elder crane]

What do you run her in though? What do you take out?

[leaden sequoia]

the issue is that the spot for her is used for Amagi and Nagato already

[elder crane]

You're not touching Nagato ofc, and Amagi is really damn good

[leaden sequoia]

not that she's bad

[zenith tundra]

ws kai will kill nagato meta

[split socket]

namagi isn't the only comp that exists u know

[real notch]

there is nakaga too but

[elder crane]

Again, what team would rather have Souryuu though?

[zenith tundra]

after that u are free to use rabbits

[real notch]

once bunny refits come out, there will be no alternative

[leaden sequoia]

nagabunnies/amabunnies?

[zenith tundra]

wabbits is an actual comp

[split socket]

^

[vague token]

ws kai is so op

it actually opens up

multiple comps

lol

such irony

[leaden sequoia]

cuz you can drop ws kai in any comp and she'll work

just like Enty early on

[elder crane]

JB technically does that a bit too

"Early on"

[leaden sequoia]

ye, but what can you do about that

that's powercreep for ya

[vague token]

i mean, enty splashes damage all around though

[split socket]

theres no rng with ws kai either

[vague token]

it's better to murder 1 target 100%

than hit everyone for 50

or w/e

dead ships do 0 damage back

xD

[zenith tundra]

1st jb shoot is not guaranteed on main fleet and if it goes to vg rip dmg and 2nd jb doesn't have a 130% dmg bonus

[elder crane]

Yep, but reset a few times and she can really carry otherwise weaker fleets

The RNG is why I say "a bit"

[zenith tundra]

if i have to reset for my team to be good i'd scrap them and try something else

[elder crane]

Ahh, but that sweet sweet XP on under leveled ships

[zenith tundra]

just wait for ws kai

[leaden sequoia]

and that's good for balance reasons

either consistent comps that deal some damage

[elder crane]

For a while at least, there was a search on JP/CN for a 5-ship fleet that can win at least sometimes vs anything

[leaden sequoia]

or rng comps that can do 2x or 3x damage

[elder crane]

so you could bring a ship for XP alone

[leaden sequoia]

but not always

[real notch]

anyways, bunny refit release will only unlock namagi full potential

there's not really other comps that get unlocked that can compete

[elder crane]

JB was a big enabler for that strat for a while at least

[split socket]

until ws kai anyway

which closely follows bunny refit

[zenith tundra]

if we follow that order but it could be that they delay ur retros more then others

[elder crane]

Inb4 WSKai before bunny retros

[zenith tundra]

we are rushing normal retros but no sandykai yet

[split socket]

or we could we get it early

[zenith tundra]

ws before sandy makes no sense because they are event based

[real notch]

you know what

if yostar wanted to shake things up with EN

[split socket]

they did release nagato before mikasa

[real notch]

they should release things on different schedules

and do ws kai before bunnies

[elder crane]

Well they could just keep putting off bunny retros

[split socket]

so all logic is out the windows already

[real notch]

that way it keeps the metas different and encourages more fleet testing instead of following CN/JP metas

[elder crane]

Yeah, and the early Amagi

[real notch]

bu then again they don't care about PVP so i doubt they'll even think this far

[elder crane]

inb4 all our discussion is invalidated by yostar giving us another new powerful event ship like Amagi

[leaden sequoia]

lol I just now realized the IJN flagships got released in reverse order in EN

Amagi -> Nagato -> Mikasa

[split socket]

who knows

[elder crane]

Watch as we get Musashi with JPCN

[split socket]

maybe they'll just suddenly release Yamato before mikasa

lul