pvp

[shy hazel]

wholl even farm for izumo

[ionic magnet]

almost caught up with this momo guy

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

hes like 10 pts ahead yesterday lol

[shy hazel]

beat him up

he likes his shiny r1 so much

[ionic magnet]

i wouldve sandbagged hard if i didnt lose that 1 fight reeeee

[zenith tundra]

the only r1 that matters is only for a few minutes right before end season

[ionic magnet]

^

[shy hazel]

im fine with top 10

top 1 is for super neets

[zenith tundra]

stop falling behind then

[shy hazel]

like kmt

hey i wont wake up just to sandbag

👀

[zenith tundra]

i never look only at rank i check the name too

when looking up top 100

[shy hazel]

anyways

next round cant reset until last fight

else risk fighting +9s

[zenith tundra]

tomorrow is end season u shouldn't refresh at all till u need it at the end

[shy hazel]

ye

[lament lichen]

gonna eat 3 +8s like last season

[zenith tundra]

hopefully not

[shy hazel]

next maint is at the 17th

wait

18th

cos sara event ends at 17

pr ships

save your golds

[zenith tundra]

more like use ships u need for pr to farm 7-2

[dry socket]

how many seconds of damage invincibility does Hiryuu receive upon her final counter's activation?

[zenith tundra]

15secs

[dry socket]

o h

was hoping for a barrage bb to be able to finish her off with their barrage

[zenith tundra]

u can finish her off... after 15 secs

[dry socket]

painful

15 seconds

[buoyant parrot]

now I felt like regretting Awakening BB Kaga because next patch is Monarch

[zenith tundra]

monarch won't be usable for at least almost 1 month

[buoyant parrot]

true

[hybrid tendon]

THE MONARCH RUSH

i wont be rushing shit tho

buying oil is too much for me

lets see, monarch grind is duke/hood/ws

[shy hazel]

k im out of oil

[hot creek]

NotLikeThis

worst feeling ever

well, besides seeing D ANNIHILATION while doing pvp

[split socket]

at what lvl did you guys start using nagato in 1:1 d2?

[hot creek]

I just started now at 106 lmao

i defintley could have started earlier

but im stupid

oh well, at least I completed a sakura torp from C4

[split socket]

I'm doing B2 for kawakaze dupes with her for now, starting to get tired of the low xp gain though zzz

[leaden sequoia]

tfw when doing D2 and got 4 Kongous instead

[buoyant parrot]

just look at this... I'm poor as a POTATO

[vague token]

wow

[buoyant parrot]

[vague token]

guys, i think it's time you had an intervention

you gotta pace yourselves

[leaden sequoia]

I've never seen being low on all 3 resources

You're a champ, srsly

[buoyant parrot]

champ of losers

[vague token]

na you're a winner

we're all winners here

except me, i sleep through resets or get distracted easily

xD

[leaden sequoia]

that's just another kind of win

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

im doing 1-2

if anyone can do 1-1 d2 smoothly

tell me how

while grinding nagato

lvl 98

[vague token]

/still on d1

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel

and just put phoenix solo vg

avoid large nodes

if u use aa radar aviation nodes are easier then main ones

[buoyant parrot]

rip...

irony lol

[zenith tundra]

that's after 2 cv sirens 1 ca siren 2 medium aviation and 1 medium reconnaissance nodes

[buoyant parrot]

its okay there's one Aviation

[leaden sequoia]

I feel like even without AA Radar and with Fire Extinguisher aviation nodes are easier than main

enemy BBs just like to punch flagship hard

and set on fire at that

[zenith tundra]

i avoid main fleet quite a bit

[shy hazel]

👀

if only my phx wasnt 110

[zenith tundra]

i think ur fine nerfing her weapon

[shy hazel]

lemme try

other one

[zenith tundra]

use a +6 tbtsk

[shy hazel]

minnie still lvl 100

[hot creek]

im using a +5 tbtsk and its fine

could probably go up to +6

[zenith tundra]

i'm using +10 and at 105 she ends up still mvp sometimes

[shy hazel]

im actually using sendai and horn girl

forgot name

they only lvl 90

[zenith tundra]

mogami

[shy hazel]

👀

ye that

[zenith tundra]

lvl 109 mogami melted everything there as solo vg

[leaden sequoia]

mogkai is a monster, ye

[zenith tundra]

poor nagato had no chance of mvp with her

[vague token]

mogkai getting buffed by nagato with mgm+1

tough to compete

xD

[leaden sequoia]

you could even try ykkz solo, I guess, since she is not likely to deal any damage with a peashooter and inaccurate torp barrage

just stuff her with bad torps

[vague token]

i was about to say

she still hits decently hard

[zenith tundra]

i need xp on phoenix so i'll keep her

[shy hazel]

i dont rly wanna use max lvl units

[vague token]

i mean

if 120 is coming

are they really maxed

;)

[shy hazel]

👀

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, 120 is a pain in the ass

[shy hazel]

makes sense

[leaden sequoia]

gotta prep early

[vague token]

nothing is wasted atm

[leaden sequoia]

unless you have 3m exp capped

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

juneau to 120........

[vague token]

well, at least she has a dd gun option

[outer stump]

I'm glad that nagato has only 40% barrage proc

But when she procs it... I think it's over

[vague token]

lol

just belfast smoke it

;)

or tough it out

kek

[zenith tundra]

smoke helps on 1st barrage but after that nothing to stop her

[vague token]

true

so get yourself some aim torps

[zenith tundra]

cv is only way to blow her up imo

[vague token]

and focus fire the flag

xD

[buoyant parrot]

is 120 along with Monarch Patch?

[zenith tundra]

120 is with w12

[buoyant parrot]

fuuuuuuuuuuuuu...

[zenith tundra]

but it shouldn't be that far from pr ships

[buoyant parrot]

damn this Mogami she keeps getting MvP!!! grrr

[vague token]

use port

she does less damage

lol

[zenith tundra]

she's so god damn strong

[vague token]

still tanky

[buoyant parrot]

I'll try Belfast first, maybe I can hit 2 birds with 1 stone

prep for 120

2.3M is req for 120 right?

[zenith tundra]

i'm afraid belfast with he will deal a shit load of dmg to those big ass light armor ships

[buoyant parrot]

[vague token]

just take away her gun

lol

give her an ap gun

xD

[buoyant parrot]

that's actually the plan lol

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

this event ships are really bad to lvl up main fleet from some reason. unless is something like amagi with 70% barrage

[buoyant parrot]

[vague token]

/meanwhile im just using 6 every fight

cause im a casual xD

[zenith tundra]

i don't even have oil to afford the 1:1

already brought 3k oil and still under 1k

[vague token]

=(

[buoyant parrot]

lol belfast still too stronk even with AP gun... Need probably +6

[vague token]

oof

[buoyant parrot]

or maybe change torpedo to purple instead

[zenith tundra]

i usually just remove torp if i have to nerf a torp boat

[buoyant parrot]

well you don't want to stall the fight for too long but yeah that's also an Idea

[zenith tundra]

torp end up overkilling enemies too

[buoyant parrot]

damn belfast too thicc and stronk

damn it... I'm soooo want to buy gems and whale for oil X___x must resist temptation...

[zenith tundra]

did u use all event oil already?

[buoyant parrot]

yup

[zenith tundra]

how did u manage to use 10k oil?

[buoyant parrot]

by running 2:2 all the time

[zenith tundra]

wow

[vague token]

oof

[buoyant parrot]

just started to tone down right after my oil hits 1.5k

and as you saw earlier I'm poorer than a POTATO

[zenith tundra]

i can't even to it tone it down but still got 6k oil in event shop

[vague token]

i havent purchased anything from it yet

floating 9k currency

[buoyant parrot]

I've come to the point that I had to scrap 200 ships just to extract gold/oil from it...

that hit my Fleet Ranking so hard

[vague token]

o.O

[lone pendant]

rip

[zenith tundra]

good thing i don't care about that since i always scrap ships for oil/gold

[buoyant parrot]

from Rank 7 I got thrown to 10

well I'll eventually get back there in a few days. That's for sure

[zenith tundra]

i'm glad after nagato i don't have other ships to level up so i can just recover my oil for 7-2 farming for xp and pr ships

[buoyant parrot]

Finally consistent Nagalewd now MvP

change weapon back to Belgun then torp to purple +6

[vague token]

d2 heavy cruiser siren melting my leveling vanguard

reee

[zenith tundra]

cl sirens are still a pain tbh

406 shoots tend to miss small targets a lot

[vague token]

give me battleship and carrier sirens plz

xD

[zenith tundra]

i actually like the cv one

then ca and then bb

fuck cl

if i don't get barrage on cl siren rip mvp

[buoyant parrot]

yeah I hate those CL Sirense... I'm always at the point that belfast is in critical level coz of them

[vague token]

they have high accuracy =/

only reason i dislike CA sirens is cause im underleveled on my vanguard and they are not tanks xD

[zenith tundra]

i like that i didn't bother to level up phoenix

[vague token]

oof

[zenith tundra]

what are u using?

[vague token]

sheffield is 101, but underskilled atm, deutschland is 86, and mont is 86

xD

hyuuga kai carrying team

[zenith tundra]

i always used hyuuga because of the low cost (for a bb) so had plenty of xp on her

[vague token]

hyuuga is cheap, does big damage, and she can clear bullets with her strike

she's amaaazing

[zenith tundra]

only thing i'll miss is for maritime attack because she lost her 2nd gun

[lament lichen]

someone passed momo for rank 1

[zenith tundra]

i'm leveling up another one for low cost bb

finally

by 1 pt lol

[versed atlas]

so, is having an AP gun on a BB good?

[buoyant parrot]

behold and DESPAIR!

[vague token]

now get 0 gold

[buoyant parrot]

😂

[zenith tundra]

even in pvp against 2 heavy armor enemies is hard for ap bb guns to deal actual damage consistently. @versed atlas

[versed atlas]

so, armor break isn't worth it?

[vague token]

it's a low chance for a low boost

xD

[zenith tundra]

the problem is there is no way to force shoots on enemy backlines before u kill vg. and attacking light armor with ap bb guns is pointless because u deal no damage

[vague token]

the damage boost would have to work on all armor

to be worth

then the backline, even if they waste damage on vanguard

would help gunner vanguards do more damage

[zenith tundra]

or cv/other bb too

[vague token]

yeah

or even make it so any tier ap gun

rips armor of 1 level above them

or same

dd ap guns armor break light armor

cl and ca breaks medium

oh i just hit 100 affinity on sheffy =D

[buoyant parrot]

good for you, Preppin for Monarch?

why use Sheffy? when you can go YKKZ and Jesus and Belfast?

[vague token]

i retired jesus a long time ago

no more killing her off for me

[buoyant parrot]

X_________X

[vague token]

making my mix fleet

gonna try deutschland/sheff/ykk front

with namagi/sara back

ultimate alliance

xD

once pr cas arrive ill drop sheff

since their hp is crazy high

back to sirius probably

thankfully sheffy has pretty good aa xD

and helps guard the other 2

[buoyant parrot]

welp im hell broke now... Time to stop... Gonna play space shipfu for now while waiting for reset

[vague token]

lol

[vague token]

oh yay, i got my lucky bag

now i can oath nagato and someone i like

xD

[zenith tundra]

that took quite a bit

[vague token]

eh, they're busy with a billion other people's accounts dying

it's fine

[zenith tundra]

i'm glad i didn't have problems i would've hate to wait so much for nagato ring

[vague token]

im only at 81 affinity anyways

xD

working my way slowly

[zenith tundra]

134 for me. looks like i might need overtimes over 110 for max

[cosmic iron]

Do i go here for team comp help or should I just goto #gameplay-help?

[random vault]

what kind of help are you seeking

[zenith tundra]

team comp for pvp here

for pve go to help

[cosmic iron]

Thinking of building a nagato + akaga team comp, but not sure about frontline

was thinking jintsuu ayanami ykkz or something

[random vault]

u wanna attacc or protecc

[cosmic iron]

probably attacc but not sure which is better

[zenith tundra]

choices for nakaga vg are sendai auora jintsuu yukikaze juneau

[cosmic iron]

Should I worry about trying to get pearl's tears?

[zenith tundra]

in pvp is pretty useful

u should go for it

[cosmic iron]

:rowlet:

Don't have sendai yet

[ionic magnet]

sirius and belfast are options too

[coral wren]

Is belfast not a good choice forcvanguafd?

[zenith tundra]

no one knows in current meta what is best yet since no one has 110 nagato with max skills to test it

[ionic magnet]

any combination of those should work tbh

[cosmic iron]

lol

would losing the IJN buff for belfast be worth it?

[random vault]

the ijn buff on frontline is pretty minor

[zenith tundra]

sirius should work but belfast is only good for mirror maybe

[ionic magnet]

nah getting ijn buff is pretty easy anyways cos ykkz is kinda a must have imo

[cosmic iron]

never got sirius either ;-;

so jintsu ykkz and juneau or is that kinda janky?

[coral wren]

Hmm using cv without aurora

[zenith tundra]

u need aurora/sendai for foxes imo. so aurora yukikaze jintsuu/juneau

[cosmic iron]

ah

[random vault]

the whole point of foxes is to delet frontline

so need accuracy debuff

[cosmic iron]

ok I guess i'll farm a sendai unless i roll an aurora

[zenith tundra]

u can even go sendai aurora yukikaze/juneau

[coral wren]

Was it 7 or 8 for nagatos red skills final form

[zenith tundra]

10 unlucky

[coral wren]

Oh

[zenith tundra]

7 is before that

[coral wren]

Yikes

[zenith tundra]

at lvl 10 u get 1 extra straight > pattern

[coral wren]

Cool cool

[cosmic iron]

aurora is light pool right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[random vault]

ye

ill prolly sl8 yellow, then sl10 red then finish off yellow for nagato

[cosmic iron]

:rowlet:

[vague token]

i went to red level 7

for all the shots

[zenith tundra]

i have barrage at 8rn switched to yellow for 6 or 8

[vague token]

or most

[cosmic iron]

Ok i guess I'll just spam light construction

[random vault]

my red still sl2

[vague token]

xD

[random vault]

i use t1 books

[zenith tundra]

only t3 on nagato so far for me

[random vault]

when im not sleeping

[zenith tundra]

i almost forgot about my last attempt this reset

[cosmic iron]

Were HMS builds ever viable?

[vague token]

kek

[zenith tundra]

always pretty much

[cosmic iron]

what about now?

[zenith tundra]

it's ok to use it. after monarch and neptune will become much stronger

[cosmic iron]

ic

should i focus on trying to get pearl's tears or level up my current ships?

[zenith tundra]

cassin and downes can be easily used as extra in vg for only 1 oil so u can level up them easily

[cosmic iron]

vg?

[zenith tundra]

vanguard

[cosmic iron]

o

duh

lol

don't they just die though?

[ionic magnet]

pearl is more of a luxury item

[zenith tundra]

if u put them mid with some hp equip it shouldn;t be that hard

[lament lichen]

they have a skill that heals them when they get below 20%

[ionic magnet]

just go level your mains first

[cosmic iron]

ok

[lament lichen]

always level your main 6 boats first

[zenith tundra]

u can level them to 70 for 1 oil cost easily

[lament lichen]

you fall behind if you level boats that can easily be leveld later and if they arent part of your core team for progressing

[ionic magnet]

or you can just put the req botes in comms/dorm

while levelling your main

[zenith tundra]

i don't think 3:3 leveling is good but that's my opinion

[ionic magnet]

well depends how far is he in the game

cos early levels, you cant low cost anyways cos bad gears and stuff

[cosmic iron]

i could use the HQ exp to get to 75 for sendai

[hot creek]

its pretty bad unless you have very little playtime and need to burn oil

[lament lichen]

oh this guy already at endgame

[cosmic iron]

Endgame already? I started like a month ago

[ionic magnet]

eh just put the req botes in long comms then

[zenith tundra]

dead list for me so far

[lament lichen]

chibigoku pushing

[cosmic iron]

Damn this game is way easier than GFL

[lament lichen]

sometimes i wonder who the hell is sandbagging

or they just so far behind

[zenith tundra]

this season is weird so who knows

[hybrid tendon]

done with this season

[ionic magnet]

oh thats you lol

[lament lichen]

this guy

[hot creek]

if you've been keeping up, you check leaderboards 2 mins before each recharge and then compare scores around you and who also has been keeping up

[silver root]

GOT MY GENSUI FOR THE FIRST TIME

[zenith tundra]

that doesn't really eliminate people that are under 5/10

[cosmic iron]

do you just get to the top by grinding? or do you have to defeat opponents with high fleet score?

[hot creek]

yes thats why you keep checking people who are also near you every time

[lament lichen]

you sandbag aka letting other people attack first then you attack them

[zenith tundra]

fleet power is useless metric

[hot creek]

most often the people at 0/10 or whatever like to double wait

so they'll fall out of leaderboard

[lament lichen]

its a bit different this reset

[zenith tundra]

gg to any chances

[hybrid tendon]

i missed 2 or 3 fights

[hot creek]

well, its pretty easy on Sandy anyways cause there are only like three other tryhards on this server who actually aim for top 1 end of season and im using the word tryhard loosely

[lament lichen]

sky asunder pushes weirdly

does the 10/10 to 0/10 or does the 2/10 thing

and attacks at the most random times

uses all near the start or all near the end

[cosmic iron]

I guess I'll just finish building my fleet before I try to push points

[lament lichen]

no point to not push for points

season resets after today

[blazing scroll]

Besides not everybody puts up a strong defense

[lament lichen]

just fight the ones you can win

free merits

[cosmic iron]

I don't need merits though, I just wanna get top 1k so i can get that silly rank

[ionic magnet]

next season gensui rush should be interesting

with all these nagato fleets

[random vault]

rise of the nagato

💦

[blazing scroll]

I might as well rush to gensui now

[hot creek]

no need to rush when you know you'll be rank one at the end anyways.

[blazing scroll]

I missed a bunch of attacks

[hot creek]

oh, didn't realize you were talking about yourself

[blazing scroll]

[zenith tundra]

not many pushing this reset only a +1 so far and no real chances at more even if i attack now

[shy hazel]

wasnt able to join reset rush

[cerulean estuary]

idiot of me last reset , tried to pvp with 3 seconds left on timer reset
after that....
got 9/10

[vague token]

rip

[cerulean estuary]

well points doesnt matter to me now , ive already got gensui reward

[shy hazel]

n

u couldve been our free points

[cerulean estuary]

haha im a generous person but dont abuse it

[shy hazel]

👀

the rusher last reset didnt rush this reset

[lament lichen]

[cerulean estuary]

would PR comes this april 26th patch?

[lament lichen]

seems like it

[cerulean estuary]

oh i see , im curious though about kizuna's skill

[odd schooner]

[warm saffron]

Best BB gun for nagato in PvP? Also what about beaver badge, do I need it for my CL frontline?

[real notch]

twin 381 because her barrage is fixed to shelling

also not really

[warm saffron]

Cool thanks

Also what aux gears on nagato? I guess the fallen wings aux + radar? If I don't use hood in my PvP team

[real notch]

i personally use badge + radar

it's difficult to keep her alive as flag

also, her barrage is only 40%

amagi is 70%, so i put HFCR on amagi instead

[zenith tundra]

hsfcr has no impact on amagi unless placing her against something that would shoot/launch faster then she would on her 2nd/3rd barrage without it

[blazing scroll]

I got hsfcr on Amagi, but I don't use 4 sakura ships

[shy hazel]

hfcr has high fp 👀

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather give fp to a barrage that hits everything not just 1/2 ships

[real notch]

FP and hit

[shy hazel]

depends on perspective

u may want to put it in a ship that has 70 chnce instead of 40

👀

[real notch]

also, itemizing against enemy positioning is not very reliable

[shy hazel]

im actually undecided whether to retain hfcr on amagi or put to nagato

[real notch]

for example, amagi may fire 2nd barrage slower than 2nd washington barrage but A. that depends on where washington is and B. if her barrage even procs

[zenith tundra]

i'm doing math for guns and strikes to see if she gets anything out of hsfcr as timing

and as prospective nagato barrage over amagi any day for me

[real notch]

there are 3 reasons i put HFCR on amagi and not nagato
a. 70% chance > 40%
b. flagship needs more durability
c. amagi benefits more from stats imo

[zenith tundra]

i don't see nagato dying to anything but nakaga

and beaver does shit to that

40% on all opponents>70% on 1/2 ships

i don't see how amagi would benefit more then nagato

[vague token]

with 4 ijn what do you need more attack speed on

[ionic magnet]

attack speed

[zenith tundra]

i'm trying to roughly calculate the timings

to see if any differences

[real notch]

nah, with nagato's 159 AA she doesn't exactly contribute well to overall AA

the beaver would help with torps and dive bombers

[zenith tundra]

she dies to suicide dmg on 1st airstrike if she has to

beaver won't save her from that dmg

by 2nd airstrike rip nagato whatever u use

[cerulean estuary]

maybe a couple more of days well see nagato full pvp performance coz right now i think her 2 skill lvl's arent max enough ( lvl and affection is not a problem )

[real notch]

also, nagato is either adjacent to an amagi or (in the future) another nagato

so dodging shells/barrages will become more relevant

[zenith tundra]

need to do math pls

[real notch]

overall dmg?

that's possible for ships like amagi and nagato because their dmg is fairly consistent

but you'll never get a good number with planes LOL

with how the game mechanics work around plane dmg

plane dispersement, AA dmg, etc.

actually i have math for amagi, i can send it if need

[zenith tundra]

so u prefer to tank opponent nagato dmg instead of attacking 1st

[vague token]

i mean, can you even confirm a kill by attacking first with nagato

assuming both trade barrages

[real notch]

no not really

[vague token]

does the 2 second earlier barrage matter?

[real notch]

i mean half the time the barrage will hit VG

[vague token]

when followed by anything?

[real notch]

if she's capital

the barrage as in the > > > > shaped things

[vague token]

i mean you could confirm a vanguard kill earlier

i havent done the math

xD

[real notch]

idk, to me it seems pretty clear-cut

[zenith tundra]

right of the bat...nagto 2nd mg shoots at 32.44 roughly vs akagi airstrike at 32.83 without hsfcr

[real notch]

why would you put HFCR on nagato flagship

instead of amagi

[zenith tundra]

with hsfcr nagato 2nd mg shoots at 30.00

that is pretty much it for me

that doesn't count for nagato rld buff which is higher for herself then akagi

[cerulean estuary]

nagato amagi kagabb
nagato amagi hyuuga retro
nagato amagi hiryu
nagato akagi kaga
nagato hiryu shoryu

nagato all the way

[real notch]

oh ya, i'm currently using namagi hiryuu

hiryuu is super strong as expected but nagato (level 100) died too fast in a couple of my tests

[zenith tundra]

i'm not even gonna try and see other timings tbh. if nagato can shoot a barrage before akaga 2nd airstrike with hsfcr that's all i need to use hsfcr on her

[real notch]

hmm, i get that

but why not use touchdown timer? not airstrike timer

[zenith tundra]

do u know it?

[real notch]

you can do tests to find out

[zenith tundra]

usually dead enemies cannot kill u but whatever

no lvl 110 max oath nagato here yet

[real notch]

or evenlike visually eyeball it

[zenith tundra]

i'll test it once i can ofc

[real notch]

if 2nd akaga airstrike is 30sec, the touchdown should be like

32sec

[zenith tundra]

akagi with max oath vf-17 sb2c gold cuda launches at 21.89s. 1st airstrike is 10.95s 2nd 32.83s

[idle python]

Why would you be taking the time of touchdown for namagi

If you're trying to fire the barrage, you are trying to kill before they launch

[real notch]

ideally yes, but u can barrage before they kill u (by touchdown)

[vague token]

that's pretty tough now though

[ionic magnet]

also, why focus on foxes when you guys are saying namagi+1 would be better anyways

[zenith tundra]

also i don't think nagato can really tank nakaga dmg even with beaver but i might be wrong

[vague token]

i used to be able to kill confirm with amagi on a fox at level 100

and before ykk

cant do that anymore

(before 2nd launch)

[real notch]

zack is prolly right, at least for defense fleets

[zenith tundra]

@ionic magnet i would prefer shooting nagato 1st over amagi 1st any day in mirror

[real notch]

you would need some serious AA

to save nagato

[vague token]

double air radar nagato

[real notch]

so better call in jesus

[vague token]

[real notch]

but i mean, at 110, nagato will have like

80ish EVA

[cerulean estuary]

put all cleveland class on VG

[real notch]

which is pretty sweet against plane torps and dive bombers

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

if you use badge + SG

[hazy rain]

I can't wait for the next update to put the final nail in the coffin for washdak and Belfast cancer tbh

[zenith tundra]

it can work with jesus and nanoda heal

[vague token]

how is belfast cancer

[cerulean estuary]

im still sticking to that meta

[hazy rain]

makes excercises longer

[real notch]

belfast

[vague token]

dear god lol

xD

[hot creek]

nanoda would like a word with you

[real notch]

btw where u guys farming nagato

and how much oil u using

cus i'm running low

[zenith tundra]

also we need to see how much dmg amagi does to a nakaga fox with and without extra fp

[cerulean estuary]

farming c2 as of now for the rewards then 7-2 or 8-3 for exp and affection for nagaloli

[real notch]

ahh yess sumire C2

[vague token]

actually now that i think about it

[real notch]

glad someone else sees my idea

[vague token]

amagi might easily destroy nakaga foxes

since no defense buff

and nagato would boost her fp and reload more

[real notch]

yea, that's why u can't ignore amagi

[vague token]

on side

[real notch]

she's a broken IJN ship

[hazy rain]

why would the test without FP buff be worthwhile? or what do you mean by FP buff?

[hot creek]

d2 nagato/phoenix can handle 6 mobs, with high enough level of course

[zenith tundra]

102/137 d2 2k xp for 24 oil

@hazy rain extra fp from hsfcr

[real notch]

the only thing with D2 is how do u beat boss node with 0 ammo nagato

[zenith tundra]

i don't even bother

[hot creek]

u dont. i just use boss fleet

[idle python]

I don't think you would measure by touchdown time because namagi vs nakaga isn't an arms race of kill them before they kill you, you're just trying to outlast. If you kill a fox after they launch planes their planes will still hurt you since the battle hasnt ended

And at that point it doesn't matter if your barrage lands after or before touchdown but after launch

[zenith tundra]

the chances for nagato barrage to kill something are pretty high considering that it covers the whole screen

[real notch]

ye i mean ideally that's it but you can't really itemize for that

[cerulean estuary]

im farming c2 for oil and time efficiency , i only ned to farm 20k cap at least , then the rest is dailies

[real notch]

u just have to make sure that your timer brings you the highest chance of resulting in that situation

[zenith tundra]

how much xp do u get x mvp and how much oil u use @cerulean estuary

[left onyx]

hmm, i'm in quite the predicament for pvp right now, nagato is out but i'm using akaga + amagi, are there any comps that use both amagi & nagato or because of akaga, it's one or the other?

[real notch]

yee, C2 is like 1.2k per node for nagato, and u can do boss node with nagato too

[zenith tundra]

killing a fox before 2nd airstrike=win by default

[real notch]

it's probably the most efficient usage of oil atm

while D2 is the fastest

[hazy rain]

nagato 20% damage buff makes 35% cv buff look cute

[left onyx]

yes, if a fox goes down before 2nd airstrike, that's the easiest way to win

[zenith tundra]

i still have 6.4k oil in mail so i'm fine with d2

[real notch]

@left onyx there are, have fun experimenting with it along with all of us

[left onyx]

fair enough

[real notch]

nagami hiryuu, namagi hyuuga, namagi enterprise, namagi dork

take your pick

i am using namagi hiryuu atm

[left onyx]

hopefully i can get to fleet admiral next reset

[vague token]

sara is better than owari da atm imo

[left onyx]

sara has slow takeoffs

[hazy rain]

and it's not even just 20% raw damage, it's also +20% reload and +20% accuracy

[vague token]

doesnt matter, sneak in a comet

to bring her take off down

[left onyx]

ew comet

[vague token]

owari da doesnt dodge anything anyways in current era

[real notch]

is the suisei finally getting it's time to shine

[left onyx]

repressed memories of getting and burning a crap ton of comets out of spite

[zenith tundra]

owarida dodges amagi tbh

[vague token]

sara puts out more damage by virtue of guns and witch prank

and if your escort team has damage that's a bonus

although unlikely atm

xD

[left onyx]

is it bad that i trust torpbombers more than dive bombers for damage?

[blazing scroll]

Enty never dodges my amagi tho

[real notch]

yeaaaa actually owarida was being kinda annoying to my wasda

[left onyx]

nope, either

[blazing scroll]

She dodges my wasd

[vague token]

dive bombers are weird

but it's mostly witch's prank anyways

[real notch]

her cloaking would actually time with one of my BB shellings

[zenith tundra]

@blazing scroll do u have ijn buff on her?

[blazing scroll]

I use wasda

[vague token]

also note that sara is tankier outside of cloak

1k more hp lol

[zenith tundra]

so no. with ijn buff amagi goes to 25s 2nd barrage

[coral wren]

so what's better atm, nagato amagi 3rd bote, or washington amagi south dakota

[left onyx]

the comp i hate playing against the most, wasda + juneau + yukikaze

[vague token]

next it'll be namagi hiryuu kai

[idle python]

Wasd is pretty much a no go once nagato is raised up if it's wasd vs namagi

[vague token]

kek

[real notch]

we don't really know, it's speculation atm @coral wren

[blazing scroll]

@left onyx Don't forget belfast

[left onyx]

and belfast

[real notch]

according to CN/JP metas namagi rules meta

[zenith tundra]

i actually hate more amakaga because they kill my underleveled nagato

[blazing scroll]

I am waiting for Essex to come out

[vague token]

well, until warspite kai

[left onyx]

although going against bel doesn't seem anywhere near as cancerous as the other ones i've put in before

my hiryuu is waiting for her kai tbh

[real notch]

btw patchy how is nakaga vs namagi in JP meta @idle python

[coral wren]

which is the most cancerous fleet, wasda nanoda belfap jesus?

[real notch]

i know namagi is better but are there more details

[idle python]

When I went nakaga into namagi I struggled quite a bit

[left onyx]

nanoda?

[coral wren]

yukikaze-sama nanoda

[left onyx]

ah

[idle python]

Most of my wins were yukikaze 1v1 vs hiryuu kai

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

ohh, namagi + hiryuu kai right

[left onyx]

put juneau in there for good measure

[idle python]

Other way around hiryuu kai kind of just means I almost never lose to nakaga

[coral wren]

jesus = juneau

[left onyx]

ah

[real notch]

well that was against namagi + hiryuu kai @idle python \

here in EN we don't have hiryuu kai so namagi is missing a key player

i guess that would make namagi a bit weaker

[idle python]

I did a test of nakaga into bb kaga third before

And it still struggled but obvious you can get luckier with airstrikes but it was a little but better (I think around 50% but I use unmarried stuff vs married defense)

Yukikaze vs triple bb obviously won't survive vs the back line

[real notch]

is bb kaga common btw

[coral wren]

the 50/50 barrage hurts though

[idle python]

No I only fought like 1 or 2 with bb kaga third

Since well, hiryuu kai was already an option

(as well as taihou)

[real notch]

ahh ok

welllll hmm

tbh i really wanna use nakaga but

running an IJN team without amagi is just uncomfortable

[vague token]

just have both ready

you see a weak team

use nakaga for speed run

you see a buff team

use the real deal

ez

[idle python]

ik iriya said nakaga didn't get consistent wins vs namagi hyuuga but he only had one opp test but I can def see it that way considering I've struggled with stuff like izumo third before

[real notch]

i think it's the EVA boost and FP/AVA debuffs for amagi

just makes her too damn strong

[vague token]

evade rate

not evade

[real notch]

yea that

[vague token]

evade boost would be a tiny insignificant boost

on most backline lol

[real notch]

not to mention her unnecessarily strong barrage

[zenith tundra]

if amagi barrage wouldn't prefer to target with he shells everything but the ship on the other side it would be actually nice

[coral wren]

if bakaga had a 70% barrage, would she be played more often?

[real notch]

as long as u run some half decent IJN 3rd ship

[vague token]

probably, that'd be pretty beefy damage

[real notch]

namagi seems to be able to compete against nakaga

[left onyx]

no idea, bakaga doesn't seem great

[zenith tundra]

kaga bb with that barrage at 70% would be broken imo

it hurts so much

[blazing scroll]

I would think namagi would struggle against nakaga because of the low AA

[left onyx]

then again, i've hardly used bakaga

[vague token]

that's what juneau is for

[left onyx]

ridiculously low AA

[vague token]

plus dont forget amagi simply reduces enemy AA by 9%

by existing

so you dodge 10% more often

and reduce what you take by a bit

[blazing scroll]

But now they can use Nagato which buffs their dmg by 20%

[zenith tundra]

nakaga only problem is that is frail

if u don't kill ur opponents fast ur dead

amakaga was a nice hybrid but nakaga is so much more frail

[vague token]

amakaga also has that early barrage pressure

while nakaga is fully into smoke

namagi probably doesnt care about early pressure as much as it just kills the backline xD

since amagi will be top

blowing up w/e fox is up there

[left onyx]

i'm guessing stick to amakaga for now

[blazing scroll]

It is just speculating for me because my nagato isn't lvled up far enough to properly test

[left onyx]

i don't think any of ours are tbh

[vague token]

it's speculation for us allll

cyaneko got his to 105 lol

[left onyx]

how?

[vague token]

pretty sure he said he didnt sleep

[blazing scroll]

Some people might play on JP server tho

[zenith tundra]

not having a life would help that

[left onyx]

JP is understandable

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[zenith tundra]

mine is 103 rn

[left onyx]

EN? hell no

and the oil costs man

[vague token]

meanwhile im at like 78

cause casual bois

[lament lichen]

Been lazy with nagato lvling

95 to 98 to 100

[left onyx]

i'm only on 72

and that's considering fucking quick for my standards

[zenith tundra]

i need her at least over 105 for last push this season

[left onyx]

i won't mind getting my akaga to 110 this year too

yea, i'm sticking to amakaga, cause i'm not gonna be able to get nagato past 105 any time soon

[real notch]

god damn, watched a hockey game today and was resisting the urge to farm nagato the whole time

[zenith tundra]

lol

[left onyx]

lol

icehockey or field?

[real notch]

icehockey

[left onyx]

ah

[real notch]

was watching a finals game for my town's junior league

i actually don't really watch hockey but that shit was hype hype hype

[left onyx]

not a good game i suppose

[real notch]

it was not bad, we were 3-1

apparently our team is on a 14 game winstreak or something

pretty nuts

[blazing scroll]

Nuts indeed

[left onyx]

bloody hell, either your team is just unusually good or the opponents faced are pretty bad

[real notch]

yee ikr

ok anyways back on topic before we get danned by mods

[left onyx]

lol

[blazing scroll]

Mods in pvp since when?

[left onyx]

exactly

[zenith tundra]

mods

[buoyant parrot]

[left onyx]

[buoyant parrot]

Don't let the #degeneral people know that this room is mod free. Otherwise will get infected by their desease

[cerulean estuary]

what if the pvp fleet screen on exercise youll see pictures of fleet with the " ? " together with the fleet power

in short unknown fleet compo and fleet power

and no retreat yeah

[left onyx]

that'll hurt

[zenith tundra]

in a completely different scoring system maybe but not in this

[left onyx]

definitely not in this

most of us win most matches by simply resetting and going again

[real notch]

how to affection farm hiryuu but keep MVP on nagato

[left onyx]

or by using a different comp against a particular opponent

[real notch]

i'll have to strip hiryuu (but i use her for PVP defense reee)

[left onyx]

swap her out for the time being then

[zenith tundra]

this system is too random and u end up fighting lvl 1 1:1 comps as well as maxed out meta ones. there is no way it would apply well

with a proper ranking system based on wins and opponent fleet it would be a thing

[left onyx]

i still don't understand how the current system works, apart from by number of wins & rank of opponents

and that i can't afford more than 1 defeat for an entire season to get top 50

[zenith tundra]

it works by adding a score bonus over to a base amount based on score difference in between players

[shy hazel]

learn to sandbag

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[left onyx]

sandbag?

[blazing scroll]

You get +1 point for every 35 score difference

[shy hazel]

be one of us scumbags

just chat and learn

[blazing scroll]

So waiting while others push gets you more points

[left onyx]

so, going immediately after reset isn't a good idea then?

[real notch]

yes, welcome to the tryhard high IQ team

[zenith tundra]

it is (for people who sandbag out of ur score )

[blazing scroll]

Unless somebody pushes no

[real notch]

where we sandbag and minmax all day

[left onyx]

half an hour after reset i suppose

[shy hazel]

ill probably end at top 20 again

[left onyx]

but how does one guarantee you get a match up that has a score far higher than you do?

[zenith tundra]

u look at opponent rank and look/deduce what the difference in score is

[blazing scroll]

You don't have a real guarantee

It depends on what the other person decides to do

[left onyx]

ah so it's hedging your bets huh?

i suppose don't reset your opponents then

[zenith tundra]

u can reset if u know u can get bonuses by doing so or if u know people who rush their attempts and want them in ur list

[left onyx]

cause tbh, the 12 hours without a pvp reset, you kinda have to reset it

[zenith tundra]

the 1st one applies late season to top 100 when difference in score are very high compared to rank differences

[shy hazel]

you get used to it

gut feelIng he has a high point difference in first rounds

then u smash opponent at that time

and get sweet bonus points

and the smug of victory

[left onyx]

so it's a lot to do with gut feeling then?

[shy hazel]

and u need to memorize ppl

who also sandbags

if all of them are in your list maximize your five resets

so whats your ingame name

wait are u even avrora

[left onyx]

i am

[shy hazel]

ign

now

[left onyx]

what's yours?

[shy hazel]

same as my name here

[left onyx]

kisuke

[shy hazel]

youll see me alot in top 100

if u see me go reset if your 3 other opponents wont move

becos i wont be moving

[zenith tundra]

@left onyx StellaP for @shy hazel and for me is same as my discord name

[left onyx]

got it

[shy hazel]

just be active here and argue with us on pvp builds

youll git gud at sandbagging in the way

[odd schooner]

I think i can get away with beaver nagato if i am using a full evasion debuff vanguard

[shy hazel]

ill give u an easy task next season

outsandbag kamita

[zenith tundra]

u should try that 1st tho

[shy hazel]

[left onyx]

if i can figure out how to do that

[shy hazel]

Kamita is top 1 for 3 season btw

but our own Vysaga maybe top one this season

lets see

kamita is scary he got +5 a reset ago

[real notch]

[shy hazel]

ytd i had one score above him

[odd schooner]

I thought that's mininum when gensui rush

[shy hazel]

i check he had 4 over me

[hot creek]

I think i might have gotten a +5 maybe once ever. it was two +2 and one +1

[left onyx]

+5?

[zenith tundra]

bonus points

[left onyx]

bloody hell

[shy hazel]

no one cares about getting normal scores

[odd schooner]

Ye i got +6 first rush yesterday

[zenith tundra]

that's half attempt extra

[shy hazel]

all we count here are bonuses

[odd schooner]

Fought shiburin like twice

[left onyx]

so basically 100% winrates and you bunch count bonus points

[odd schooner]

And the rank 1

I'm still behind tho

Cause +1 every reset

[shy hazel]

yup

never lost a round

[left onyx]

welp

i fuck up 1 or 2 per reset

[shy hazel]

gear your pvp team

[odd schooner]

Doing exercise while half asleep?

[zenith tundra]

i barely recovered like 2-3 pts over vysaga in 1 day so rip me

[shy hazel]

ask the pros here

be like me i just copy builds

[zenith tundra]

and now famine +5 ahead already

[left onyx]

geared yes, oathed and 110'd? no

[shy hazel]

cos u sleep

[zenith tundra]

110 is kind of mandatory tbh

or at least over 105

[left onyx]

2 of my ships aren't 110'ed

[real notch]

btw was your nakaga jintsuu aurora sendai @idle python

[shy hazel]

grind them fast

[left onyx]

akagi is still at 109 and kaga is at 106

[real notch]

out of curiosity

[zenith tundra]

ruining foxes and just pretty important?

[left onyx]

i have problems leveling both of em tbh

[zenith tundra]

if u run foxes they need to carry

[left onyx]

it's typically akagi and amagi who carries

[odd schooner]

I want to see sirius full potential

[left onyx]

1-1 farm?

[zenith tundra]

once i get nagato yellow skill to max gonna try nakaga for fun

[shy hazel]

nakaga i think ill run sirius

with aurora sendai

[odd schooner]

I think I'm the only one doing barrage

It looks cool

[shy hazel]

then namagi defense

[zenith tundra]

sirius aurora for sure for me with sendai only for belfast

@odd schooner i have it lvl 8 the barrage but switched to yellow a bit

[left onyx]

10 the yellow first then move on to red

[shy hazel]

ya my red nagato skill 8 alrdy

time to yellow skill

[odd schooner]

Well you guys said max barrage form is 10

[real notch]

mine are 6-5 yellow to red

i think

[odd schooner]

So imma go straight

[zenith tundra]

gonna lvl 7 yellow then see

[odd schooner]

I can't abuse yellow beside nagato on pve cause I'm using hms vanguard

[zenith tundra]

4yellow 8red skills for me rn

[shy hazel]

ill go all in yellow

then deploy the loli weapon in pvp

[zenith tundra]

u aren't using her?

[shy hazel]

nope

im using full pve gears rn anyways

[odd schooner]

5 more before marriage

[zenith tundra]

i switch when i do pvp

[odd schooner]

I'm so behind

[left onyx]

wait you gear differently for pvp?

[odd schooner]

Had to rush income tax shenanigans irl

[shy hazel]

70 before 200 affection

[leaden sequoia]

Nagato's barrage upgrades at level 4, 7 and 10

[odd schooner]

Ye i like what I'm seeing

Never really tried big 7

[zenith tundra]

1st pve 2nd pvp

[left onyx]

no wonder i feel my nagato's barrage seemed a little...

[odd schooner]

Just erebus and terror's barrage

[left onyx]

holy shit that was fast

[shy hazel]

someone told me it maxes at lvl 8

[odd schooner]

China wiki exists

[zenith tundra]

she's special

[real notch]

lool it doesn't max at 10?

[hot creek]

im at 6/7 for skills rn. she can hold her own in pvp even underleved so ive been using her for that sweet free xp

[shy hazel]

its zack

[leaden sequoia]

I can only think that someone was talking about another ship's barrage

[left onyx]

so, you change the hoodgun to a 406 and the SG radar to an AA radar?

[zenith tundra]

@left onyx the aa radar is for d2 only no need anywhere else

[leaden sequoia]

it's still 1/4/7/10 as 1st/2nd/3rd/4th barrage forms respectively

[left onyx]

ah

[shy hazel]

from what i see lvl 8 looks same from yt lvl 10 vids though

[left onyx]

welp, i'm running monpelier on vanguard anyway

[odd schooner]

I opened mail again so i had to 2:2 d2 lmao

I was like 22k oil day 1

[left onyx]

then again nagato gets the mobs

...

[real notch]

god damn it

[zenith tundra]

it doesn't have 2nd > wave @shy hazel

[hot creek]

lul im using no vestal no AA radar and she does fine. just don't fight too many air nodes i guess

[left onyx]

same

i actually have to watch for battleship fleets

[real notch]

the namagi is lookin rough

[ionic magnet]

perks of rushing. 3 of us are tied rn lol

[odd schooner]

How rough

[real notch]

the wins are not convincing enough

i won with 1hp hiryuu

just now

[left onyx]

she takes a hell of a lot more against battleship fleets

[real notch]

against 13.6/13.7 amakaga

[left onyx]

or is it cause mine is hardly leveled

[zenith tundra]

with aa radar u can tank 2 cv sirens and 2 medium aviation nodes easily

[left onyx]

that looks cancerous

[odd schooner]

Flying nanoda

[real notch]

guess i'll hope that 110 skillmaxed nagamon makes a big difference

[odd schooner]

I don't have spare ring for hiryuu so i can't use namagi yet

[zenith tundra]

i use baga i feel like without yellow skill hiryuu dmg is too low

[left onyx]

not willing to drop that many rings

[zenith tundra]

why is that vg so high fp @real notch?

[real notch]

alright i just made 200IQ hiryuu gear to keep MVP on nagato

[left onyx]

wait that's high?

[real notch]

call me einstein

[odd schooner]

Beaver?

[random vault]

just put no planes

[left onyx]

oh right

[odd schooner]

I'm at 12.9

Oh wait

I'm using boilers

Instead of box

[random vault]

lv100 nagato woop, time to mindbreak

[zenith tundra]

@odd schooner did u ring jesus?

[real notch]

i'm using an oxytorp @zenith tundra

[left onyx]

btw, aurora or belfast?

[odd schooner]

Nani

Ye ofc

[shy hazel]

im too stupid to understand that hiryuu build

[hot creek]

are we flexing nagato levels?

[zenith tundra]

can u show me ur jesus?

[real notch]

my nagato is only 101

[odd schooner]

Nanoda not yet 200 aff

[left onyx]

Any changes?

apart from bel's position

[real notch]

personally i would use aurora

[shy hazel]

my nagato lvl 99

[odd schooner]

So with box should be around 13.160

[left onyx]

i don't have juneau leveled

[real notch]

juneau is good too

[left onyx]

my sendai is still work in progress

[real notch]

i would use belfast, juneau, aurora

[left onyx]

aurora is at lvl 101

[zenith tundra]

@odd schooner what's jesus fleet power with boiler bulge? or u use pearl?

[left onyx]

juneau isn't even leveled

[real notch]

i have all those VG at 200 aff

[shy hazel]

im also thinking of rushing 110 so can use hms backline for mama monarch xp grinding