pvp

[ionic magnet]

2186 how many charges?

[lament lichen]

need to save my 2 resets for later

6/10

[ionic magnet]

oh kek

[shy hazel]

hey zack

move your butt

[odd schooner]

@cerulean estuary

[shy hazel]

u in my leftmost

[ionic magnet]

then youre fked

[cerulean estuary]

haha band of brothers

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

rip u only 1 left this reset

how much difference?

[shy hazel]

that 1 is fine

should net me points

[ionic magnet]

[cerulean estuary]

ur gonna get +1 on me i have 2209 points

[zenith tundra]

i'll do my last one then

hope i get something out

[shy hazel]

nvm

wait

23 points

[lament lichen]

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

lol

[shy hazel]

guess i reset

[vague token]

collusion bois

jk

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

owo

[ionic magnet]

lol

[lament lichen]

owo whats this

[zenith tundra]

what were u expecting

[shy hazel]

this is actually my 2nd time meeting u this reset

[cerulean estuary]

wrong computation for me lol

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

it's nakaga with lvl 92 nagato

and lvl 1 yellow skill

[shy hazel]

i reset

and got rank 7 as opponent

[zenith tundra]

gg

[lament lichen]

rank one pushing to 2235 now

[zenith tundra]

that wasn't a bad score tbh

[hot creek]

lmao i refreshed into a opponent that was in the process of rushing and he eventually gave me a +1

after i beat him I got him again

and he continued rushing

so another +1

[zenith tundra]

lol

[odd schooner]

I'm gonna spam reset this for now

[cerulean estuary]

haha mirror match

[zenith tundra]

my list is trash

[shy hazel]

now rank 9

[lament lichen]

i put washi mid sodak bot for mirrors

[odd schooner]

Snowball fight

[shy hazel]

+4 this reset so far

[zenith tundra]

ur 1 behind me right?

is that ur score at 6/10?

2167?

[shy hazel]

👀

did u lose a round

[lament lichen]

i see stella at 2178

[shy hazel]

2178 6/10

i think u lost a round

[zenith tundra]

u said +4 but u only used 3 when i logged out

[lament lichen]

kamita is at 2178 as well

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 6/10

[shy hazel]

time to beat kamita

as if lol

[lament lichen]

he's probalby 6/10 as well

[zenith tundra]

i think we need to beat vysaga this time around but 7 handicap is too much...

[shy hazel]

nah im actually in mountain rn cant participate in all resets

[lament lichen]

the only reason why im that far ahead was one of the days i got +12

and famine isn that far behind me

[zenith tundra]

still good score

[lament lichen]

yeah thats true

[odd schooner]

I'm 13 behind lmao

I just did like

+1

Then use other 4

[zenith tundra]

did u lose 1 attempt?

[real notch]

tell me results @odd schooner

[odd schooner]

@zenith tundra no, I'm literally behind due to +1 only per reset

[zenith tundra]

oh ok

[real notch]

i just whaled another trade license to buy the ring pack

i am upgraded from a plankton to a fish...

[odd schooner]

@real notch my vg is having trouble dying lmao like 3x amagi Washington died before anyone died in front

And the fight usually 3vg vs enemy nanoda

[real notch]

hmm yea that tends to happen

[lament lichen]

fish

not a fish yet

[real notch]

it really stalemates when wasda vs wasda

i found that my juneau dies too late sometimes

[lament lichen]

honestly for the mirror i just rearrange my backline

[zenith tundra]

if u don't use speed vg just explodes and if u use too much they never die...

[real notch]

what i'm more interested in knowing is sumire's 2x oxytorp vs 1x oxytorp or no oxytorp

[shy hazel]

[hot creek]

I beat fully oathed leveled wasda twice with my underleveld Namagi/Hiryuu lol

[real notch]

i think MY reset tests still point to --> more oxytorps = better results

but i am a little hesitant to put oxytorp on YKKZ

since i want her surviving to proc her heal

(which already happens too rarely)

[zenith tundra]

put boiler fe on her and she should be fine for at least 1 min

[hot creek]

namagi is the new cancer now.

[zenith tundra]

yeah but nagato at least will kill ur vg

with wasda no barrages hits vgs

[shy hazel]

@cerulean estuary

move once pls

[lament lichen]

move twice please

[real notch]

fire extinguisher?

i have boiler toolkit

[zenith tundra]

my reasoning is bb sheels have a 50% chance to set fire. with fe u go down to 35% instead and u take a lot less dmg

ofc only works if u actually get hit

[real notch]

yea... VG often dodges BB shells

the only way to reliably set VG on fire is to use gold 410

3rd type ammo OP

[lament lichen]

cant dodge them all

[zenith tundra]

with nagato firing he barrage i think gonna be default imo

that cannot be dodged

[vague token]

but doesnt fire damage scale off weapon base damage?

wouldnt the 3rd type gimp your fire damage?

xD

[zenith tundra]

actually 3rd type has less chance to set fires then normal he

[modest elbow]

3rd type ammo has a higher fire multiplier iirc

[real notch]

uhh don't quote me on this but fire dmg should be % health only

not sure if it scales off weapon dmg

also 3rd year ammo functions like ayanami barrage

each shell counts as a fire set chance

[zenith tundra]

DamagePerTick=WeaponBaseDamage×WeaponCoefficient×SlotEfficiency×100+Firepower×(1+FormationBonus+SkillBonus)/100×BurnCoefficient+5

fire dmg

[ionic magnet]

it does scale off weapons

its not a fixed %hp dps

[real notch]

ah ok

burn coefficient is?

[ionic magnet]

welp just did 10 rounds. i know i made someone happy

[zenith tundra]

The burn coefficients are as follows:
Shell Type Coefficient
Type 3 Ammo 1.2
All others 0.6

[real notch]

hmm

there's no % hp multiplier

i think NPC ships have a different multiplier then

[zenith tundra]

so 410 gold does double dmg over other weapons

[vague token]

yeah, until you factor in the base damage

of

20?

[real notch]

because in PVE shells tickle, but when they set ur ships on fire

you're GG if you don't have FE

[ionic magnet]

no %hp thats why you see VGs fire dps are way lower than a BBs fire dps

[vague token]

oh sorry it's 22

so you may do 2x from the modifier, but then you're 1/6 of the 381 lol

[cerulean estuary]

@shy hazel u want me to push once?

[zenith tundra]

lol that weapon is garbage lol

[vague token]

yeah, if fire wasnt based on base damage

you could believe in the type 3

[zenith tundra]

it still have lower chance too

[lament lichen]

push all the way

[ionic magnet]

pve shells doesnt tickle in w10 up

[zenith tundra]

30% chance vs 50%

[vague token]

i imagine kirishima's barrage is good at SUSTAINING fires

[ionic magnet]

it just misses a lot

[vague token]

since she covers full screen

and actually hits with more than 1 pellet

lol

[real notch]

lol yea i mean like compared to fire dmg

but anyways i wouldn't use FE just yet on VG ships

since nagato's barrage is 40%, it makes more sense to just stack HP instead imo

[zenith tundra]

all my yukikaze has to do is die last

[cerulean estuary]

nanodaaaa

[real notch]

wait, have you done tests for oxytorp for nanoda?

[zenith tundra]

fe dmg reduction less chance and reduced duration should make a way bigger impact then just 500 extra hp

[real notch]

i think i might do it once i get nagato to 110

[shy hazel]

yup

[real notch]

what are you guys running for VG btw with namagi

[shy hazel]

push pls

[real notch]

i'm trying jintsuu juneau YKKZ first

[shy hazel]

our distance is 31 points

[zenith tundra]

i same vg as always nanoda belfast jesus

[shy hazel]

[real notch]

hmm ok

[shy hazel]

31cm per seconds

[cerulean estuary]

@shy hazel no problem with me bro ill push now

[shy hazel]

👀

ty bra

[real notch]

wintrading

[lament lichen]

[real notch]

i appove

[shy hazel]

[cerulean estuary]

im gonna get +9 only haha 😃

[lament lichen]

oh no

[zenith tundra]

this is what i used to push this reset and didn't even reset any fights

[cerulean estuary]

is only gonna get +9 so 2218 points is that enough @shy hazel

[shy hazel]

lemme calcylate

[lament lichen]

dam i need a 2221 for +1

[shy hazel]

2198-2218

oops

2178

i mean

40 points

[zenith tundra]

it's enough

[shy hazel]

onegaishimasu

[zenith tundra]

i need 2214 for +1 u need 1 less

[cerulean estuary]

ok ok no problem with that

[shy hazel]

time to beat kamita

[lament lichen]

if you push one more then i can get a + 1

[shy hazel]

dont listen to vysaga

bad person

[zenith tundra]

do u even need that?

[shy hazel]

[lament lichen]

i have him on my list

[zenith tundra]

i meant the +1

[shy hazel]

arigathanks

[cerulean estuary]

there you go

[real notch]

good guy sumire

[ionic magnet]

[hot creek]

🙇

[lament lichen]

Oh the belru guy pushed all the way

[shy hazel]

Edwarzo

anyways 5/10,alrdy tyvm

+5 this round

[loud otter]

what is pvp meta

[zenith tundra]

the meta is changing rn we don't know yet who is best paired with nagato

[random vault]

need to wait for ppl to max their nagato first

[real notch]

uhhhh

pvp meta is

amagi, akagi kaga
washington, south dakota, amagi
nagato, amagi, hiryuu

keep following this channel to keep up to date in our discoveries

[stark raft]

what is daxam's hms

[random vault]

PVP: Discovery Channel

[hot creek]

QE/Hood/Doy, Belfast/Junuea/Sheffield iirc

[buoyant parrot]

^ Wasn't good

[ionic magnet]

[hot creek]

no, im pretty sure he had decent win rates against the rest of the meta with it.

but you can ask him yourselves

[real notch]

that is a good comp at least on paper

i've had that comp in mind when i was semi-building my HMS fleet

[shy hazel]

rank 2 on my list

+6 now

[coral wren]

why is amagi/hood/enterprise so used in defense fleets?

also, any odds of bakaga seeing competitive play in a nagato/amagi backline?

[ionic magnet]

amagi hood ent is not used at all actually

those people prolly are just new players and dont have anything better

and yea bakaga hiryuu hyuuga are legit options as 3rd ship for namagi

[odd schooner]

Amagi hood ent is not good wall material. Maybe people just had the equipment for them

I'm pretty sure a lot of shikikans are still on one fleet maxed equipment

[real notch]

i would run multiple fleets but the problem is one-time gear like pearl and badge

i have to keep moving it back and forth

[warm saffron]

Nakaga or WASD for defense fleet?

And is WASD viable for offense too?

[real notch]

wasd is currently the best proven fleet in PVP

both offense and defense in terms of winrates

doesn't stop people from using foxes for fast games though

also nagato came out literally 2 days ago so nobody really knows - we do speculate nagato, amagi to become the new "best fleet"

[shy hazel]

best fleet is term for casuals

call it meta

[cerulean estuary]

more players now will ride the nagato + foxes bandwagon pvp both on ATK and DEF fleet

for me : ill stick for now to sodak was amagi , until i fully max lvl / oath / skills my loligato

juneau is a must since nagato foxes are intended for fast kills

amagi , nagato and hyuga retro or kaga bb is both good at ATK and DEF fleet

the only problem is there AA stats a bit too low compared to USS 400+

[odd schooner]

Lmao I just spent rings on sirius and sendai so i might as well overwork them

[cerulean estuary]

i also oathed and 110 jintsu and sendai but i never put them on pvp 0_0

[modern tree]

"best" comp will once again boil down wether you count best as fastest, or highest overal winrate/safety. The only way foxes and nagato amagi with wildcard are not "best" at the same time is if one walls the other on defense and we will have to see about that.

I will also once again make an HMS comp that has over 80% winrate and seriously threatens best comps on defense only for this chat to completely ignore it and laugh at HMS anyways.

[odd schooner]

Gotta make use of those ships oathed cause they're using my food money

[real notch]

dw daxam i will always respect your HMS fleets

[modern tree]

never forget Ether trying underleveled and undergeared HMS like 3 times then ragequitting to tell everyone HMS sucks

[shy hazel]

dont worry daxam i smell pr ships soon

u just need monarch and neptune to kill everyone

[cerulean estuary]

hms will shine again once WS kai and monarch will be available

[odd schooner]

Oh right

Me and sumire started as friends due to hms

[cerulean estuary]

haha true story

[shy hazel]

have u ppl prepared

[cerulean estuary]

i miss the belli dura despecio

[shy hazel]

those five rings for pr

[odd schooner]

Idk. I only liked monarch

[shy hazel]

one of them is a joke so ignore that ijn bb

[odd schooner]

God tier thighs

[cerulean estuary]

i like megane chars

[dense lynx]

sup bois~

[real notch]

dw

i know personally HMS is good

after all it was the best fleet in PVP for almost 2 whole months

there just isn't much u can do with all this IJN bias from yostar cough cough

[dense lynx]

ijn numba wan

[ionic magnet]

hms is not the fastest and also not the highest winrate therefore its trash

kinda harsh but kinda true xD

[modern tree]

most of my games as HMS end before fox 2nd strike ar a little bit past it so I dont think its slow or bad

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

Oi my HMS aren't under lv and definitely not under geared. The time I did my experiment was Shefield is the only weak link at that time... All my HMS are all affection 200

[blazing scroll]

But what about wasda games?

[buoyant parrot]

that experiment cost me to lose and drop that season

I will definitely go back HMS once Monrach comes in or WS Kai

[odd schooner]

I once missed the chance to get godly thighs

Not gonna miss it this time

[ionic magnet]

who? 👀

[cerulean estuary]

hes talking about mutsuki xmas skin

[modern tree]

its in the shop still

[dense lynx]

any info about the en pr ships release date?

[zenith tundra]

should be right after isss

they said another collab with kizuma ai and pr ships are a collab

since it's about time we get pr it's most likely after isss

[thick matrix]

wonder if we get both PRs

lol

[zenith tundra]

could be but considering we are getting non event contents at same pace as jp/cn originally i think is most unlikely

[thick matrix]

Yea, though I think doing both halves of the collab now would make their lives easier

[zenith tundra]

it might be but it's gonna to be too hard for us to get specific pr bps with 12 of them instead of 6. it's already hard enough with 6

[buoyant parrot]

please Monarch.... Make HMS Great again...

[modern tree]

again yea

[zenith tundra]

hms will be good in 2 months from now when u get monarch to at least dev 30

[empty sinew]

what lvl is Nagato barrage's final form

asking here cuz help is ass

ahh, so it doesn't reach final form early like Amagi...

good to keep in mind

[modern tree]

its 4 7 and 10 unfortunately

at 10 you get extra arrow afaik

[empty sinew]

per "arrow" huh

souka

was leveling her yellow then realized it won't net her any mvps, glad i switched to lvling barrage

[modern tree]

also, 7 just gives you extra wave of needles so you really want to max it if you are going for it

her yellow buffs herself so its probably easier to get mvp with in the long run I have not had any issues with it

I am maxing yellow specifically so I can use her

got red to one arrow and it feels good enough atm

[empty sinew]

+1 on that, i want that fancy 3 arrow barrage 40% of the time

[modern tree]

its not super fancy

[empty sinew]

tho her luck makes her proc rate feels better than actually written, pretty nice

glad at least she's got decent luck

that the one on cn wiki ain't it

[hybrid tendon]

wasd amagi on def is pretty disgusting

[ionic magnet]

imagine if he had bel and jun

[dense lynx]

anyone from washington?

[ionic magnet]

most peeps here are from sandy/avrora

why

[split socket]

probably cause avrora was first server of the game meanwhile sandy was the newest server at the time they opened the game for eu players.

[zenith tundra]

nagato barrage in pvp actually does dmg even with 18 lvl difference i could see it doing pretty good dmg. it still si too rng and her buff is more consistent since other ships are higher level but far from bad as 1st skill to max on her

[split socket]

except u cant max out her skills in 3days

[zenith tundra]

my nagato was only 92 when i used her in pvp

i want to 1:1 nagato in d2 but mogami does too much dmg

with 2/2 barrage procs...

[analog hare]

lvl 7 Nagato barrage is full bullet rain with 1 arrow bullet

[zenith tundra]

my mogami is lvl 109

mogami and portkai are the only 2 ca i use

[zenith tundra]

just found an interesting info on the 381 in the jp wiki. in jp it was removed from core data in july (don't know if at the beginning or end)

we might not have another chance to get another one or maybe 1 more next month

i have 3 of them too and tbh wouldn't mind a 4th

[modern tree]

monarch, yep

[vague token]

oh no

PR is coming

so 120 also soon? xD

[blazing scroll]

They might add it as well

[odd schooner]

Just when we talk about it few hours ago

Lmao

Wait

120 soon

[livid fractal]

Well that was fast

[zenith tundra]

i don't want 120 anytime soon tbh but it has to happen

[vague token]

do i go saint louis or roon

the struggle

[zenith tundra]

u only unlock a ship that kind of sucks for a while till u get bps

all u have to decide is who to give events bps to

3mil xp is nothing compared to the time it takes to farm 343 bps for each pr ship

[blazing scroll]

Saint Louis for me

[vague token]

like, saint louis has HE boost

so you can actual hurt things

and actual gun efficiency

roon has a ton of hp and shields

HMMM

xD

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[vague token]

you are a brave soul

[modern tree]

I am almost at 100, this is actually killing me

[vague token]

also yay i got a 2nd gold comet from a sakura box

finally sara can have double comet

too bad i used all my aviation plates on hyuuga

[hot creek]

what map ya'll using to lvl nagato?

[vague token]

event maps xD

[modern tree]

I am running d1 at 1:1

I am at 99

just avoiding aviation fleets

[lament lichen]

im still at 6-1 for 17 oil

[hot creek]

if i try to 1:1 with phoenix, she will out DPS my nagato

[modern tree]

I am running phoenix no aux just in case, no problem with mvps

[analog hare]

D2

[dense lynx]

...how we only need hiryuu retro

[zenith tundra]

i just put a +10 aa radar on nagato for d2 seems fine but mogami dmg is way too high for her to mvp

i'm using aa radar sg rn

mine is only lvl 98 so i need evasion

the dmg reduction is pretty nice tbh. it went from 100+ to like 80max

on planes suicide

i had a +10 aa radar for some hm requirements

this was from other discord server on pr
"just being very generous
need 343 PR BP, blue research cost 3k gold and says, give 2 PR BP of what you want
it has 2:30 timer so 150 mins, let's just say you do it 5 times so 15k gold per day
cost:
15k gold / day
10 PR BP / day
takes about 34 days at least
510k gold"

guess everyone will be stuck in 7-2 forever

[vague token]

that's a lot of farming

[zenith tundra]

109 max dmg from plane suicide with +10 aa radar (max hp plane)

not to mention they actually die or get hurt by aa guns

[hot creek]

how much event currency you guys planning to farm?

[zenith tundra]

60k too if i have enough oil

[dense lynx]

[hot creek]

damn son. ill do 30k at most, to get all the cog chips. and maybe not even that. could just do 12k but ill miss out on last set of chips. 30k vs 12k huge difference tho

[zenith tundra]

6 battles with 3 sirens but mogami carries quite a lot

[vague token]

i just noticed the c2 boss uses like an orbital strike of bb guns

we need that as a skill

orbital strike

xD

err c3

(battlecruisers)

[analog hare]

legit projectile

[vague token]

shoots 50% sooner than other guns, but the shots take 8 seconds to go into space and then fall back down xD

top kek

oh yeah so what gear are we needing from research again? all the ca guns

and what else

washing machine is there?

oh and staaaaag

[modern tree]

nepguns, ca guns, eva aux, uuh

[vague token]

anti air radar is mostly for pve right?

[modern tree]

staag is not good aa tho, its just a little worse bofor that gives ACC

[vague token]

how valuable is 10 acc?

[zenith tundra]

i would pick 10 acc on any bb over nothing any day

[vague token]

30 range isnt that bad too

just yell at the frontline to get gud

xD

[finite valve]

so how many dege in here going to max monarch first?

[vague token]

i mean those legs wont max themselves

but ill be prioritizing saint louis

[zenith tundra]

let's see what research i get and gonna use event bps on whoever i feel like i can max 1st

[vague token]

lol

is there even an event that would have bps that we could use to speed things up?

like do reruns have pr bps?

[finite valve]

always prioritize gear bp quest

[zenith tundra]

any event has around 30bps

[vague token]

ah

kk

[modern tree]

I will do monarch/nep depending on who I can max earlier

[finite valve]

all event bp are universal

so it matter little

hard part is farm the rest in research

[zenith tundra]

wtf is this luck

it's a +2 too

[vague token]

owo

nice

[zenith tundra]

another +1

[vague token]

maybe zack will become the numbah wan this season

send him your energy!

xD

[zenith tundra]

way too behind vysaga even with this bonuses

he was 7 ahead of me

[lament lichen]

im just waiting for bonuses

[vague token]

ah

[lament lichen]

famine is the same score as me

i rather have consistent +10s than to gamble for +11's for now

[zenith tundra]

rip +1 for me

not even worth refreshing for

[lament lichen]

the 2nd rush is just who decides to push early gets more points

[zenith tundra]

ur 4 pts ahead of me rn without bonuses right?

[lament lichen]

yeah

wait

3 points

[zenith tundra]

oh yeah got the 5th +1 last reset after i woke up

[hot creek]

i am on my last refresh right now and only saving it because on Sandy there is a very real risk of getting matched with a lower ranked person while at 6/10 due to low scores.

[zenith tundra]

i still have 4 of them waiting for better chances

[modern tree]

shit happens all the time at high scores, yep

[zenith tundra]

no changes anymore in ranking

i'll go back to d2

[hot creek]

so much grinding to do ....not enough oil. and they announce PR as well

[vague token]

oof

[hot creek]

im still confused about how PR works exactly even after reading over the wiki page a bunch of times lol

[vague token]

im sure they'll explain it

cleanly and concisely

[modern tree]

just like subs

[zenith tundra]

@hot creek for ships after asking a bit in other discord they work like this: they start with max lvl cap at 100 no need to do any lb. for over lvl 100 u need chips like other ships. the limit breaks bonuses are moved to something called dev that require specific character bps to level up.

the bps are dropped randomly from researches that are like commissions and some of them have higher chance of dropping specific character bps

[shy hazel]

no plus i lose

[hot creek]

OhISee. That clears things up. Thanks 🙇

[zenith tundra]

that's pretty much all i know

[shy hazel]

mama monarch though

[vague token]

monarch's legs though

[shy hazel]

i kinda wsh i had more oil saved up for pr

[zenith tundra]

dev level is also gated by character level so for max dev u need the ship at least lvl 70

[shy hazel]

i wanna rush monarch for a week

[zenith tundra]

u should rush bps not ships

and 7-2 for days

[real notch]

I've been farming c2 because that's the only event map finshable in 5 runs

[zenith tundra]

i'm aiming for points farm too since i can easily 1:1 d2 6 battles

[hot creek]

trade license starting to look juicy

[zenith tundra]

and i just want to save it but

training oil is only for mle farm

[shy hazel]

i use exam oil for french botes

[hot creek]

but an extra 200 oil a day is only like probably less than 5% of daily oil regen anyways

[shy hazel]

imagine nit getting at least 4 french dd guns

u automatically lose pvp pve

[hot creek]

did you count quests and commisions

[shy hazel]

good time to farm qe and doy to 100

7~2 to 110

[hot creek]

does nagato have to be alive for ijn bonus

[zenith tundra]

it says when sortied as flagship so i would say no

"At the time of dispatch as a flagship" google translation of jp wiki which would suggest it's same as sheffield skill that is applied at the beginning of the battle independent of her being alive or not

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/D9hPY/c7712aa117.png

peace is overrated anyways

[zenith tundra]

neptune personality is so bad imo

[hot creek]

how dare you

[zenith tundra]

i don't like any of the pr ships personalities but neptune feels like she's worse then the others imo

[hot creek]

I like girls who tease

if only Neptune had more art

feelsbadman

[zenith tundra]

those are personal preferences tbh

[hot creek]

Yes, yes they are. Good thing there are plenty of waifus in this game to fit every trope and type

[vague token]

just finished sara's last skill finally

X_x

[zenith tundra]

max lvl nagato that procs might even be perma mvp

[hot creek]

hiryuu is secretlly a pve god ngl

[zenith tundra]

idk if i would use her for pve tho

[ionic magnet]

they better release monarch qipao

way too early tho

gonna be next week most likely

[zenith tundra]

that's how i feel too but it might even be more

[vague token]

i mean, in terms of dps she will but who cares xD

[shy hazel]

its the redskill that made belgun belgun though

👀

[violet comet]

ok

people told me to come here

i wanted to use amagi for a debuff fleet

and the 4 ijn ships just to optimize her

thats why I went with aurora, too, in it

and ark

(tho tbf I like the idea of Lusty there, since it seems weak to burst dmg and AVI)

figured I could optimize the reload

for her airstrike

hm I see

maybe I could squeeze belfast in there

but eehhh

idk

the right choice could be a HC

yah

hyuuga is there to beef up amagi

ayanami as DPS

and my idea was jintsuu for main tank

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga boosting 1 bb is not good

u need full bb backlines for her to be good

[violet comet]

nagato > ark

comes to mind

if I even get her

LOL

same

thats why Im not using akagi and kaga

(plus I dont have them)

[zenith tundra]

i like off meta too when it actually works and don't need to reset 10 times

something that struggles to win is not worth imo

[violet comet]

i could pick atago to not instadie

lol

yeah

jintsuu is defo on the list

and ayanami too

nakaga?

oh

I dont plan on farming them now

i wanted to do the best out of amagi

[zenith tundra]

best of amagi u can get with nagato hyuuga

[violet comet]

yeah figured as much

ill try those 3, jintsuu + ayan and aurora

and just try to minmax the AA

[zenith tundra]

one thing amagi doesn't do that well imo is sniping an opponent while not flagship. her he barrage shells have a tendency of not aiming her opponent in lane losing a lot of dmg

[violet comet]

i dont hav washington

ikik

it pains me, too

[ionic magnet]

while youre at it, replace aya with ykkz

[zenith tundra]

i think wasda wouldn't stall more any nagato comp then a meme yuykikaze can do tbh

[violet comet]

is it worth it tho?

the dmg will go wayy down

yeah true

eh Im lvling her up anyway

might as well

hmm

in this case

ig

nah dw dw

I appreciate the ideas

rn Im thinking, since with nagato amagi and hyuuga, with ykkz I fill the 4 ones

so I can just put tanky stuff in front

[shy hazel]

he wants ark amagi

ez solution

[violet comet]

ark wasn't the main focus

she was there cause she kinda fit

amagi and aurora

[shy hazel]

amagi ngato ark aurora jintsu nanoda

[violet comet]

oh

I didnt know that

[ionic magnet]

aya has better torp dmg yea but she dies in 20 secs. meanwhile ykkz can p much allow your backline to get 1 more salvo

[violet comet]

i thought she was good with amagi for the big eva debuff, so to help amagi

[shy hazel]

110 ykkz will allow for more than 1 salvo

big cockroach

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

ya will always will

amagi2fast

u need to remove hoodgun and

hfsr

if u want to time it

after flare

[violet comet]

thank god I bought hoodgun

during event

[zenith tundra]

amagi with nagato is good for the backline pressure she offers. her goal is no longer killing vgs like in amakaga where she was flagship

[shy hazel]

hoodgun is still in shop

what u smoking

[violet comet]

the previous event

i mean

[shy hazel]

oh pr soon

[ionic magnet]

hmm btw with monarch coming, is there still a place for qe

[shy hazel]

say byebye to hoodgun in shop soon

[zenith tundra]

no reason in namagi to bother lowering her fire rate at all

[shy hazel]

[violet comet]

ill defo buy atagun

[shy hazel]

atagun will sty there

[ionic magnet]

monarch hood doy

[shy hazel]

hoodgun will be moved

[ionic magnet]

i know

[zenith tundra]

1 month if ur lucky enough

[ionic magnet]

but id rather skip grinding her to 110

[violet comet]

couldn't you remove hood

for monarch?

[ionic magnet]

if i wont use her

[violet comet]

and leave

qe and doy

[grave gale]

Starting PR after this event starts so no easy blueprints.

[violet comet]

pr?

[ionic magnet]

qe for hood eh

that barrage is too good for sniping tho

[zenith tundra]

with hood monarch ur dividing ur dmg so much u won't kill anything

[violet comet]

idk, monarch flagship

and doy and qe at the sides

[zenith tundra]

u want doy barrage to attack monarch target

hood but ap

that's it

[ionic magnet]

hood flag, doy and monarch at sides then?

[modern tree]

why play snipe if you can play monarch qe hood

and just win because you have 2 strong barrages with reload boost

[zenith tundra]

u can test it and tell us how it goes

no one has any idea on how that works

[ionic magnet]

[modern tree]

I mean, this is what I am doing because playing for snipe is pointless since Centaur is eventually replacing Hood, and you also waste all of the Monarchs damage by slapping her target with Warspite barrages or whetever

I am pretty sure killing something in one barrage never gonna matter on top of it being barely or not possible over killing it with 2 Monarch barrages, that happen faster because Hood exists

Dream PR comp is probably something like Juneau Belfast Nep Monarch QE Hood. Drop Belfast for Ykkz or something if foxes die off

[violet comet]

where one would consider putting saint louis, btw?

like, in which combination etc

(ig with her you'd want the atago gun)

[zenith tundra]

anything but nakaga and hms

[violet comet]

wasd?

hm

idk she seems very strong (plus she's so pretty)

[modern tree]

you can run Louis with Juneau and Ykkz in any lineup, even HMS. QE buffing the VG is sort of w/e

its just a tank vg that will live forever

[violet comet]

i see

as for the gun

prototype 203mm?

[zenith tundra]

neptune should be better then saint louis with qe

[violet comet]

the type 3 rn in the core exchange

@zenith tundra but I like saint louis >:T

yeah

[zenith tundra]

@violet comet i meant in hms with qe buff

[violet comet]

yeah yeah

i gotchu

[zenith tundra]

saint louis is better for other comps

[violet comet]

basically stall-ish fleets where

you want to protect the backline

and, so, a sturdy vngd

[modern tree]

I mean, if you are getting Louis then you are probably not getting Nep for a while

so I am just putting it out there

[violet comet]

ik

[modern tree]

PR ships WILL take forever

[zenith tundra]

if ur going hms then nep>saint louis

[violet comet]

my love for monarch and saint

will overcome the odds

/s

yeah rn Im not focused on either

im torn between monarch and saint, since both seem good in a vacuum

neither needs to be in a specific fleet afaik

[zenith tundra]

monarch is pretty much tied to hms tbh

[violet comet]

is she?

she seems like a very good BB all around, even withoiut QE

[zenith tundra]

unless u want to run wasd monarch

[violet comet]

but i may be wrong

[zenith tundra]

nagato buffs everything so ijn comps are out of the question

[modern tree]

Monarch is probably the best 1:1 boat in the game for pve so its not like you are wasting time getting her

[violet comet]

that

plus

I do have hms fleet stuff

im lvling QE rn

and I have DOY at 107

(hood is at lvl1 tho)

[zenith tundra]

monarch is not bad to get at all but for pvp she is tied to hms

[violet comet]

imma go for monarch I think

tho saint is next after her

[zenith tundra]

seeing mogami in action i want roon so badly tbh

[violet comet]

how so?

oh lord

i like how she looks, too

cute but deadly

anyway, guess i have a long while to think since

they won't come before may

PR that is

[zenith tundra]

switching from 381/410 to 406 on nagato is so amazing... feels like using an actual backline

[violet comet]

oh right

[ionic magnet]

not before may? they announced pr today tho xD

[violet comet]

i meant

PR is prolly coming in may since

the current event

finishes at the end of this month

[zenith tundra]

she actually does dmg and not relying on a 1/3 barrage

[violet comet]

but I hope im wrong

[ionic magnet]

theyre coming next week

[violet comet]

btw for amagi which BB gun is the best?

oh fuck LOL

not hoodgun?

[zenith tundra]

pr can be either launched mid event or end event. it has nothing to do with it since is a new mechanic of the game

[violet comet]

oh right

[ionic magnet]

26th at the latest

[violet comet]

and for aux?

[zenith tundra]

hsfcr sg or 2 sg

[violet comet]

which is the usual

hsfcr?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/High_Performance_Fire_Control_Radar

[silver root]

how viable is hms pvp with monarch and neptune?

[violet comet]

aaahhh okok

[zenith tundra]

i think really good

[violet comet]

oh fuck I meant aux gun

lool

[ionic magnet]

lol

[zenith tundra]

belgun

[shy hazel]

if u have both

including

pr gun

[silver root]

awesome im so excited for hms pvp

[shy hazel]

neptune is good

[violet comet]

i have purple belgun

[zenith tundra]

use a gold 127 then imo

[violet comet]

dont have

only gold DD gun is

twin 100mm

[zenith tundra]

farm guns then lol

[violet comet]

thats my goal

i know

w/e for now ill place purple belgun

[modern tree]

HMS pvp already happened so many times

[violet comet]

btw when is the 410mm BB gun optimal?

[zenith tundra]

with monarch there is no reason for hms to be bad. even more with nep too

[silver root]

yeah but i wouldnt say hms was as dominant as ijn

[modern tree]

HMS was the only playable thing when game came out tbh

[violet comet]

i see

[silver root]

always happy to have more options in pvp too

[zenith tundra]

meta will most likely be namagi>nakaga>hms AS USAGE imo

[odd schooner]

Nagato max barrage form at lvl 8?

[modern tree]

pretty sure people will not stop playing foxes just because it loses to Namagi

[ionic magnet]

if youre ranking usage then meme fleets are number one lol

[violet comet]

how is the triple 156mm for aux gun btw?

[modern tree]

Nagato max barrage is 10, actually

[zenith tundra]

@odd schooner level 10 unluckly

lvl 7 is before that

[odd schooner]

Oh ok I'll push to 10 then lmao

[zenith tundra]

lvl 10 add more straight dmg while 7 has pretty much max aoe

[odd schooner]

I need the dmg. Can't outdps Montpelier

[zenith tundra]

use 406

my lvl 105 phoenix manages to mvp over lvl 99 nagato

with 381

[violet comet]

by 406

you mean triple 406mm?

kk

that is, on bb who dont need

to proc stuff

as for light cruisers and heavy ones?

[zenith tundra]

since nagato barrage is not that high % even max at lower levels is too much gambling

belgun (for now) for cl

[violet comet]

hm

i see

[zenith tundra]

prototype 203 for ca

[violet comet]

tbtsk?

i take a while

for abbreviations

heavy ones, meanwhile?

[zenith tundra]

core data one proto 203

[violet comet]

oh okok

[zenith tundra]

but research will add new weapons that will take forever to get

[violet comet]

yey--

[zenith tundra]

that are better

[violet comet]

im still kinda budget

on equip

i still use fire control radars

the pruple ones

0 oxygen torpedoes

save for 1 rainbow

[zenith tundra]

there are only rainbows in en/jp

[violet comet]

oh!

[zenith tundra]

cn has gold/purple ones too

[violet comet]

TIL

anyway, thanks for the tips, im off

guess ill stick with my ragtag formations just a lil longer

saying goodbye to 2x DD + Helena formation will be hard

[zenith tundra]

i can't wait to throw off belfast for a pr ca

[violet comet]

at least belfast is high enough lvl

that I can slot her over

z23

in the pvp fleet

real poorman hours

[zenith tundra]

i used aya forever till aurora started popping everywhere

never

[violet comet]

i'd say so?

[zenith tundra]

either tank or off tank

[violet comet]

ngl not picking your starter ship for the main fleet feels like

not picking your starter pkmn

for your team

[zenith tundra]

rarely tank tbh

[violet comet]

its this big transitional phase that breaks your competitive heart

[modern tree]

I run juneau tank belfast mid and ykkz on the back because juneau sinks early, healing my vg, then belfast has to tank torps for my ykkz, and belfast is also holding the pearl so yea

[ionic magnet]

id go bel front ykkz mid jesus back actually

[zenith tundra]

the problem with that is wasda won't kill ur vg

so backline dies before vg

[modern tree]

I mean, thats why I play Juneau front

so she actually does sink

every game

she has too much AA to sink to first strike and if you got fucked by torp rng then it was probably a restart anyways

[ionic magnet]

jesus front has a real chance of sinking too early tho

with a boiler and a beaver she sinks just in time at the back

[zenith tundra]

if that happens i just reset and put her off tank

by default she is tank for me

[ionic magnet]

i dont want to reset as much as possible so yea

[zenith tundra]

i think tank is more consistent for my amagi hiryuu baga comp tbh

[modern tree]

man HMS is such a weird state of mind, where "heal up your vg after first strike" is what you want over whatever you guys are doing with Juneau

[ionic magnet]

ah right hms

[modern tree]

you heal the VG and plane suicide + amagi barrage if she sinks to helldiver bombs or second torp wave

[ionic magnet]

i want jesus to heal my backline. VGs are w/e kek

[modern tree]

so I dont see a single argument for not running her tank and instead letting your other VG ships just sink

[zenith tundra]

do u hate ur yukikaze and want her to sink (unless u don't use her) @ionic magnet

[modern tree]

what

how does she sink if she gets healed by Juneau

[ionic magnet]

i mean ykkz will survive last w/e i do

she gets healed by default

[zenith tundra]

it happened to me that my yukikaze eat some jintsuu boosted torp and almost sunk

[ionic magnet]

i just want to delay the heal so backline gets it after they get damaged

[modern tree]

if your VG is fast enough then your offtank never takes any torps cuz your front is eating them all

[zenith tundra]

if i use too much speed my vg will outlast my backlines vs wasda

i tried it and my whole backlines died before juneau

[modern tree]

It must be really stressful to have a backline that gets outdamaged by wasd amagi

[ionic magnet]

what gears do you guys use on your jesus btw

cos im using beaver + boiler so shes not really tanky

[zenith tundra]

if amagi doesn't proc 2 barrages in a row i can't do much tbh

buy more ironblood boxes @balmy torrent

buy more

[modern tree]

I am using torp bulge with boiler on Juneau atm, I dont hate toolbox, but I dont think its needed with my oath

[ionic magnet]

also i like to place my worst torp bote at the back cos they have worst chance of hitting

[zenith tundra]

i only use quints tbh

[shy hazel]

kamita got too many bonus points this reset

[ionic magnet]

anyways its prolly just the same then cos you guys are using bulge

[shy hazel]

cant beat pro sandbaggers

[zenith tundra]

i'm using bulge on both juneau and belfast

[ionic magnet]

yea theyre a must for CLs i think

i just removed mine on jessus so she sinks faster

[elder crane]

On offense you want reliability, so:
Don't rely on RNG yourself
Make sure opponent can't super-RNG you

[zenith tundra]

every vg ship in pvp uses torp so it's a consistent dmg reduction

[elder crane]

aka: Don't rely on torpnuke, but also don't get torpnuked

[ionic magnet]

its unreliable but more reliable than gun dmg

[real notch]

Nani lol d2 just dropped kawakaze

[zenith tundra]

gg

[real notch]

Well guess i dont needa roll her anymore

[elder crane]

Yep, I got her there too

[zenith tundra]

i dropped zui in vdir rerun (not that i needed her)

[elder crane]

Still need one of the purple ships in cons, then I'm done

All I got for SR was 3 Nagato
Didn't even get yoizuki until today

[ionic magnet]

i just need kongou to drop then im done xD

i refuse to use pts for her kek

[zenith tundra]

i just got a kongou drop

[ionic magnet]

[elder crane]

I'm farming dupes too, but I'm not sure I really need dupes
I've 9 purins, 3 more potential in merit, and have MLBd most of the SRs in the game

[zenith tundra]

i still have all nep ships to lb... what a waste of gold and purins

[elder crane]

I didn't get WH
The rest are 2LB for me, but them, Vic, Baga, Atago, Nagato, Kwkz, and the subs I don't have yet are my remaining ones to MLB
That's 18 purins needed total minus subs, minus any more I pull, and a lot of them aren't near lv 70

[zenith tundra]

32 purins to go and no sr subs yet

they keep adding sr ships so don't feel like i'm ever gonna be close to finish all my sr ships

especially at the current pace

[elder crane]

If they slow down, I can catch up, but right now not enough gold

[zenith tundra]

i'm more worried about retros rn. pr gonna eat a lot of godl

[elder crane]

Well, the timegating should give enough time to amass gold for each, also the 3 mil XP too

[zenith tundra]

u do research for bps and those cost gold

[elder crane]

oh right, that's a thing

RIP gold then

I suppose you can avoid the gold-costing ones, but iirc a lot of the good ones cost gold
And the ones that give gold are all meh iirc

[zenith tundra]

pretty much if the research doesn't give pr bps u don't want to do it unless u don't have resources

or better said u want to run specific ships bps researches since the other are random in drop

there are 24 researches that give specific ships bp (4 for each ship) u usually want to do those for the ship u want to max

but all those cost gold

good night

[shy hazel]

miscalculated

i tot its 35 when its 25

it was blue at r8

[zenith tundra]

i have 3 sandbaggers in list

just 2 and 1 rusher

[shy hazel]

@hybrid obsidian are u still pushing

27 points distance only

[lament lichen]

mfw i have stella on my list again

[shy hazel]

ill only move once

if tatsu moves once

[lament lichen]

only top 10 gives me bonus lul

[shy hazel]

only top 2 can give me

[lament lichen]

you're 6/10 now?

[shy hazel]

ye

[zenith tundra]

last refresh into rank 1

[shy hazel]

momo really likes that top 1 spot

feels like cuccing it

but my bonuses will die

so nvm

[lament lichen]

just like that one guy

[shy hazel]

darkova

[lament lichen]

posting all the rank 1

[shy hazel]

[lament lichen]

he needs dst for that

i was talking about the guy who deleted the game when he didnt get some boat

[shy hazel]

dunno who that is lol

oh

ye

the one here

re好き

[leaden sequoia]

I mean, people here challenge themselves like that

you get a bote

or you quit

[lament lichen]

quitting for a waifu

[vague token]

o.O

weakness

[zenith tundra]

against tatsuya

[ionic magnet]

im not quitting for some loli for sure

[buoyant parrot]

@modern tree and we where like talking about Monarch yesterday... All hail Britannia!!!

[shy hazel]

gonna make Mama Monarch first

hms power soon

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel u should learn math 1st

[shy hazel]

no

[ionic magnet]

lul

[shy hazel]

i misread another players score

for blues score

[zenith tundra]

buy glasses then

[ionic magnet]

are erebus and terror included as monarchs slaves

[shy hazel]

cos the ranking ladder changes too fast

[ionic magnet]

for earning exp

[shy hazel]

im just gonna grind hood doy

double profit

[zenith tundra]

it says bb/bc

[ionic magnet]

hood doy qe hmm

i see

[shy hazel]

imagine all those wasted exp

running 0lb ships

[ionic magnet]

can use warspite too

[zenith tundra]

just farm for 120...

[shy hazel]

i rly want to rush one pr ship in one week even without much dev

but oil

lul

pr may come next week so thats with nagato and ai kizuna event

no oil to spare

[zenith tundra]

more reason to don't rush lb0 ships and just level the one u'll need

[shy hazel]

i think i want to 110 nagato asap

o can use hms ships

when pr comes