pvp

[shy hazel]

i need gold and oil more

[random vault]

todays long comm aint that important, the real battle is tomorrows one

[shy hazel]

now u gotta roll ai chan after nagato event

lol

[zenith tundra]

we don't need no pr collab ai is way better

[shy hazel]

[random vault]

still early to say if we need to roll or grind ai

[shy hazel]

inb4 they make her retardedly good in pvp

lul

[random vault]

lmfao

the logical option would be having her as a DD

[zenith tundra]

inb4 she's totally useless and u need cubes for her

[random vault]

the last time we had events that feature a single new ship, they often require grinding

unless they pull a surprise and put various forms of kizuna ai as different ships altogether

then maybe therell be a gacha rofl

[shy hazel]

do you remember hatsushimo

[zenith tundra]

2 weeks of isss triggers me more then a stupid collab

[random vault]

hatsu didnt get her own event, she just got randomly added

[shy hazel]

what zack

do u want 3 weeks

[zenith tundra]

there are actual rewards for isss accumulation

unlike vdir

[shy hazel]

o ye lol

i actually want to 60k

but i guess no time

[random vault]

yea but 2 weeks should be arguably enough

i prob wont grind that hard because i got exams coming rip me

[zenith tundra]

spending 9hrs at work doesn't help grinding al

at least for all the shop u get all extra chips

maybe lvl 110 ships will make it so u can low oil farm d2 easily

[shy hazel]

im also srsly low on oil

lol

[zenith tundra]

i have 5k rn and 1.4k in missions rewards

and gonna need more 7-2 till tomorrow

[random vault]

5k

[shy hazel]

2k oil

[random vault]

oh oil

[zenith tundra]

that's low

[vague token]

10k oil and 2k in canteen

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

kek

[random vault]

idk if i even wanna save oil

[vague token]

use 6 ships all day every day

[random vault]

doesnt seem like too heavy grinding

[zenith tundra]

i still have training and mail oil tho

[shy hazel]

i farmed alot of sg rember

[random vault]

i still got exam oil

[shy hazel]

i dont wanna get oil from training

thats for french event

[zenith tundra]

but i won't use training oil before best dd gun

[shy hazel]

👀

[random vault]

i hope french event doesnt come when im busy irl

[zenith tundra]

i was hopping iris was in august tbh so i had at least 1 week of vacation from work... but at this rate might be way closer

[random vault]

i have internship coming notlikethis

[vague token]

oof

[shy hazel]

the only significant event after nagato should be french event

👀

[vague token]

or a NEW event

jk

[random vault]

yea the reruns are soso

[vague token]

that... wouldnt happen right?

[shy hazel]

i get the feeling theyll prioritize reruna

so en can have it too

[random vault]

i13 looks cute but otherwise nothing exactly too interesting

[shy hazel]

well they can havr new event too

[random vault]

u47 also

[shy hazel]

but maybe en will also have it

lol

[random vault]

dunno if we'll get fw again with newer ships

[shy hazel]

like amagi

[random vault]

and wc prob no new ships

[shy hazel]

our fw is alrdy rerun

dunno if theyll make one again

[random vault]

rerun rerun then

[hybrid tendon]

well if no new ships on rerun

[shy hazel]

but i think en will have one again

[hybrid tendon]

[shy hazel]

but no new ships

[zenith tundra]

if they don't just split 1yr anniversary ships into own events we might get new ones

[hybrid tendon]

its time to save some fucking cubes

[random vault]

we should have one cause newbies gotta get em

[hybrid tendon]

fuck the newbies

[random vault]

unless they straight up add em to perm build

[hybrid tendon]

[zenith tundra]

we didn't get essex one because we never had her before like jp/cn

[ionic magnet]

hmm looking at isss bp drops, its so bad

[random vault]

steam catapult at d2

...

[ionic magnet]

ikr

[random vault]

im not sure if i wanna farm d2 or c4

[ionic magnet]

quad bb gun at d1

lmao

[random vault]

cost wise c4 should be the best

d2 got kawakazes so itll depend on my build rng

how hard are the sirens anyway

like wc difficulty or fw difficulty?

[coral wren]

D2 has catapults

[random vault]

which im not exactly interested in

[coral wren]

I only have 2 so I need more

[hot creek]

you'll get plenty of em the longer you play, just keep opening gold boxes

[vague token]

i have so many gold catas

that's why sara gets 2

xD

MORE AVIATION

[random vault]

sara is good shit tbh

can solo w7 hardmode lmao

for bossing

[vague token]

she bulky and has good deeps

[worthy osprey]

Is using a btd worth it for sara

[vague token]

im planning on using 2 comets

im using the fairey firefly and 1 comet atm

[random vault]

i just use helldivers

[shy hazel]

if u use btd

her two offense skills is stronger

the cannon and prank

[random vault]

btd only good for pvp minmaxing

[shy hazel]

though u lose dmg on fast moving ships

[random vault]

the whole point of saratoga is to deal big damage over a big area

[hot creek]

so whats the consensus on Hyuuga? full retrofit or nah?

how good is that barrage anyways

[vague token]

full

unlike the other 2

they dont lose their fp

oh god

also her shotgun barrage makes up for no cl gun

[hot creek]

makes sense

how good is the barrage in pvp?

[vague token]

well

it should hurt but it isnt a dd gun

but hyuuga is only used with amagi/nagato anyways

so you should have plenty of dd guns to murder vanguards with

her main thing is just boosting firepower even higher with nagato buff

big stats

[hot creek]

b i g l y

[vague token]

hey, fire damage is based on raw stats xD

just burn them

maybe someday we'll get a sea plane

that isnt trash

[empty sinew]

stalling vang: jesus, ___, nanoda

who should be the 3rd

meta would prob be bel, but sheffy has the chance dmg reduction

[vague token]

port kai, get healed by jesus for big hp

jk

[empty sinew]

heh

[real notch]

belfast

[empty sinew]

bel 😴 need something off-meta ish

[real notch]

guaranteed anti CV smoke at 10, SSR level stats and decent dmg

[odd schooner]

Her only counterpart is sandy kai

[real notch]

it's gonna be a belfast from me dawg

[odd schooner]

Like either numbah wan or headmaid for that spot

[empty sinew]

welp can't deny since foxes will still stay for quite a while

[hot creek]

I hope namagi can wall nakaga

[ionic magnet]

not to mention ykkz cannot tank at all w/o smoke

[real notch]

sheffield is good but not good enough to replace belfast

[empty sinew]

tho i wanna run Sheffy cuz of her skill or the forgotten Fortune for maximum backline immortality

[odd schooner]

We don't have hiryuu kai to wall them

[empty sinew]

guess it's gotta be Bel for now 😴

[odd schooner]

Fortune expired

Like 3 months ago

[vague token]

lol fortune

like when aurora popped up

she died

[empty sinew]

the forgotten ded fortune

[real notch]

yea RIP fortune man

she was awesome back in september

[empty sinew]

just wanted to try fortune nanoda for the backline reduction memes but i guess aurora

[vague token]

well

just use her when they arent using aurora

;)

[empty sinew]

hehe

[real notch]

that's a very tempting meme to try

[vague token]

nagato only boosts accuracy right?

[real notch]

especially with wasda

[vague token]

not hit rate?

[empty sinew]

skill says accuracy

[vague token]

ok

that's nice xD

[hot creek]

I wish QE gave accuracy

[vague token]

we wish qe did a lot of things

or anything really

xD

if qe had a big seven variant she'd be workable probably

or torpedos

heh

just give all the new main fleet battleships torpedos

and then enable oxy on all ships

[empty sinew]

lvl 10 skill = +10 oxy on all vanguard

[odd schooner]

Wasda gonna die out soon lmao

White shells when

[pearl nimbus]

I wish Jintsuu didn't take 20% less damage

That's what I wish for.

It makes no sense as to why that is part of her skill.

[vague token]

because the entire class

is made out of paper

like her fan

[pearl nimbus]

And? She's a torp boat, git gud.

Hit your torps or die trying.

[empty sinew]

cuz she purple, so she gets dmg reduction unlike sis Sendai

[vague token]

xD

meanwhile

naka

[empty sinew]

F

[vague token]

[pearl nimbus]

Naka

[empty sinew]

Naka should be white not blue

[pearl nimbus]

^

[vague token]

probably, she'd be a good budget Torpedo Fleet buff

[empty sinew]

leander's a white, yet she gets 2 sick skills

[vague token]

naka even has way worse stats lol

in all categories

than her sisters

oh well i guess that's cause she has no retro

but still

xD

oh she has the highest luck apparently

lol

[empty sinew]

this is so sad

unfair treatment towards redheads

[vague token]

naka was limited right?

that's probably why

they probably thought "we cant make another meta sendai class"

xD

[empty sinew]

oh, that's a good point

[vague token]

although lemme think, what are the good/meta blues that are also limited

[empty sinew]

honolewd

cuz she's a gunboat

oh wait, she ain't limited

[vague token]

she's 10-2

[empty sinew]

LUL

[vague token]

hyuuga i guess

and with kai she will work ok with nagato in pvp

[empty sinew]

but she becomes purple anyways

not a true blue

[vague token]

sendai is a blue at base it's fine xD

presumably if naka got a retro

well i have no idea what skill they'd give her

[empty sinew]

oxy on all vanguards

[vague token]

it's like a waste though to use more than 2 sendai

cause naka and sendai have the same Torpedo Fleet skill

jintsuu has a unique buff at least

[empty sinew]

what if

retro changes skill name

so it stacks

heh

[vague token]

yeah i think it's basically just hyuuga is the only blue limited that keeps up with stuff

great stats and a team fp buff for pve, interesting utility with the bbv and still has good stats for pvp

her sister however >_>

[empty sinew]

isekai

nice meme

without nagato, hyuukai would get no pvp limelight tbh

[vague token]

yeah

[empty sinew]

• sea planes suk

[vague token]

but nagato

so

[empty sinew]

yeee

[vague token]

/wont be using her

although

[empty sinew]

[vague token]

i guess i could swap dork for her

and my team would probably be fine

but i like my 2 ijn, 2 hms, 2 uss comp

[empty sinew]

i was using dork, amagi, hyu for a bit

was fun

[vague token]

that's a lotta damage

xD

[empty sinew]

oh wait, not hyuuga, but hiryuu

they both got "yuu" in their names

XD

[vague token]

oh

yeah i was using that too

but then sara kai came out

and i was like yes please flood damage

[empty sinew]

but y sakura torps barrage tho

tbh i'd prefer regular torps for the sweeps

[vague token]

who knows

just have to push out the vanguard or lose mine

basically works like another bb

[empty sinew]

10 sec shooting bb

[vague token]

kek

when she mvps she hits the same damage as my hiryuu did

[empty sinew]

ooft

[vague token]

so im fine with it

about 22-24k

[empty sinew]

non-kai btw

[vague token]

i mean if hiryuu kai comes out before taihou

pvp is basically dead

xD

namagi hiryuu kai for the end of variety lol

[empty sinew]

it'd be amakaga 2 but worst

cuz battles take longer

😴

[zenith tundra]

use nakaga for fast battles

[vague token]

i mean wouldnt nakaga get walled by namagi hiryuu kai

[zenith tundra]

it would but is not like it matter because after hiryuu kai there is ws kai

[vague token]

true

[zenith tundra]

u can just run wakaga

[vague token]

yeah xD

[zenith tundra]

battles on average will be longer even more at 120

[vague token]

120 + juneau + ykk = actual battles instead of races

kek

[shy hazel]

im thinking about nakaga sirius aurora sendai

[zenith tundra]

dont forget amagi

[shy hazel]

for pure cv cancer

[vague token]

the call that fleet the fastest clear in the west

farm merits or go home

[zenith tundra]

as long as ur vg can deal serious dmg to enemy backlines it would work even against namagi

[empty sinew]

it'd work

cuz of the 20%

[shy hazel]

go fast or go home fleet

[zenith tundra]

i'm thibking that maybe even juneau yukikaze belfast might not be enough to sirvive nakaga with aurora sirius sendai

[empty sinew]

our side probably will cuz of -30% dmg from belsmoke

but not the opponents'

[shy hazel]

by practice all three should reduce dodge to crap levels

dont forget sirius cv strikes reduce dodge also

[zenith tundra]

plus 1% extra aviation an 20% dmg even against namagi

[vague token]

well

one nice thing is there isnt the early barrage pressure

since nagato is slower than amagi and hits in smoke

so you're only really dealing with just the airstrikes

[zenith tundra]

the only thing that would kill nakaga is if amagi plus nagato barrages are enough to kill a fox before 2nd airstrike

[empty sinew]

fp buff doesn't affect barrages yeah?

[vague token]

maybe aim torp hiryuu might be handy in bottom slot

firepower does

cause it's a base stat

[empty sinew]

ohh

so barrage is based on fp, naruhodo...

[zenith tundra]

all barrages are based off fp/torp/aviation based on the type of projectiles/planes they have

[vague token]

well, except for the ones that use gear they dont have

sara using torp bombers for her skill

kek

[zenith tundra]

the dmg of those torp is still based on aviation

[vague token]

yeah but doesnt efficiency factor into flood damage calcs? xD

[zenith tundra]

idk barrage formula but it should take into account aviation

[vague token]

oh it does

i just know flood and fire use the coefficient

and who knows what that is for skill gear

[zenith tundra]

if not the dmg would be same at lvl 1 vs lvl 1 and 100 vs 100

[zenith tundra]

1673 5/10 🇫

[ionic magnet]

1672 5/10

[hot creek]

ill be at 1671

[zenith tundra]

i got a +2 this reset wtf..

[ionic magnet]

same

the guy was rank 2 lmao

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

i had a gut in my list 28 pts ahead for 2hrs at least

till another one pushed

[vague token]

nice

[shy hazel]

me and zack same score now

[lament lichen]

[shy hazel]

i lost my flex

[lament lichen]

one more day

[hot creek]

another day another destiny

[vague token]

cant escape from crossing fate: al pvp edition

xD

[modern tree]

can't wait to have my hood/warspite one shot foxes between strikes because they arent protected by amagi, making it the easiest matchup yet

[zenith tundra]

nakaga foxes will definitelly be weaker then amakaga ones

as defense

[vague token]

and higher proc rate xD

[zenith tundra]

nagaro barrage aint no joke tbh

how many levels u get from 1t3 book from starting lvl 1?

[modern tree]

up to sl4

[vague token]

+3 levels

so 4

[zenith tundra]

ill go full batlrrage till i start using her in pvp then her budf to 6

[shy hazel]

in pretty sure

that other collab are pr ships

so well be getting pr ships with ai collab or after ai collab

prepare the oils

rush to get the first pr ship wins

[zenith tundra]

how about we rush to get lvl 30 max power pr ships instead

[shy hazel]

unrushable

its pure rng what strength unit u get everyday

[zenith tundra]

thats the goal

[shy hazel]

im actually

not lucky

[zenith tundra]

ill weight my luck after i see how much i need to whale for nagato

[hot creek]

you can still get the ship at lvl 1 after the xp quests right? they just can't level up without strengthening units?

[shy hazel]

imagine im the possibility they implement pr2

1/12 chnce u get units u want

lul

[zenith tundra]

u can get lvl 120 pr ships they level same way normal ships

[shy hazel]

u can 120 ye

[zenith tundra]

they dont gt bonuses from lb but from they thing if im not wrong

[vague token]

they have their own progression mechanic right?

[hot creek]

so the only thing stregnthening units do is increase skill level?

or are you require to max to unlock the ship?

[shy hazel]

personally

[zenith tundra]

the strenghtening should unlock bonuses like lb for normal ships

[shy hazel]

if pr2 comes

wish cascogne is op so can make her instead

👀

[hot creek]

i see, so you just need to do t he quests to unlock right

[zenith tundra]

more like commissions but yeah

and quests too

[shy hazel]

soon we will never have gold

[zenith tundra]

im more worried about cubes

[modern tree]

are there any major events after iss that we didnt have?

just baguettes, right?

[zenith tundra]

i neef to check but iris should be next

[shy hazel]

every pr bote only need 5 cube

unless u use cube to run research

which is

[zenith tundra]

good research i think need cubes

[hot creek]

i caculate it will take 36k oil for me to get 3mil xp for neptune. but thats using QE as backline, I could go cheaper

[shy hazel]

nah only some

[zenith tundra]

i think equip ones with good chances costs cubes

[hot creek]

how many o f those researches can you have running at the same time?

[zenith tundra]

the wiki page has all the research

[hot creek]

oh damn, only one at a time

ill probably just do the 1 hour ones to unlock faster

[zenith tundra]

arent they random tho?

[hot creek]

probably

we'll see, 3 mil xp will take awhile though

but I don't think the research commisions will take longer than that

[zenith tundra]

u need 2.3m for 120 not really hard if u use shipe just for that

[hot creek]

yeah im wondering if 13 research commision will take longer than 3mill xp

god I want Neptune so badly

planning to use 1:3 to gather xp

curacoo/leander/curlew lol

gonna have to do some more calcs to see whats efficient enough cause I'll probably run out of oil too quickly

[zenith tundra]

if only they would release yubari already

[shy hazel]

now i need three hms bbs

[zenith tundra]

just farm qe doy to 120 and gg

[shy hazel]

ye lol

monarch is pretty ez nice

izumo is the easiest though

lol

[zenith tundra]

but who builds her...

if u want izumo to be useful now is the time before taihou and hiryuu kai

[shy hazel]

thts the thing

shes the only pr ship thats tier 2

in most lists

[zenith tundra]

her t2 is because the extra fire and spread barrage that is ap

amagi should negate her fire weakness but the ap barrage on vg ships is still bad

[modern tree]

Fire weakness is not really much of an issue period, even less so in pvp where one tick extra of fire is not really going to make or break your composition. Having bad AA, meh barrage and no other skill that will ever be useful is kind of bad tho.

[zenith tundra]

actually her ap reduction is good against hms

[modern tree]

if HMS on defense gives you enough trouble to consider something like this to protect you from it, then you might have bigger issues

[zenith tundra]

we kai is a thing

[vague token]

that's hiryuu kai's job xD

[modern tree]

I am pretty sure that taking less damage from divine marksman doesnt actually matter. You will still get shelled by about half the following shots

[zenith tundra]

i was mostly thinking about monarch but i guess it really is a pretty useless skill

[versed atlas]

Man, I only have 50 cubes. How do you even PvP without nagato?

[hot creek]

wasd

[versed atlas]

I guess this patch is the end of my PvP then

[zenith tundra]

it depends of how much of a wall namagi can be at 110

still without hiryuu kai shouldnt be hard

[versed atlas]

I started at the end of FW...

[zenith tundra]

u might still get nagato who knows

[versed atlas]

Well, I did get wash!

Started like 2-3 days before the end of FW and still got her

It's just disturbing that so many of the important PvP ships are so insanely limited

[zenith tundra]

u can just use wasd amagi it should be fine

[versed atlas]

I doubt it

Wasd amagi IMO loses to amagi akaga already

[vague token]

o.O

[modern tree]

that's a hot take

[versed atlas]

CVs can much more easily wipe out front lines

Whereas BBs are RNG dependent

[modern tree]

losing front as wasd amagi is inconsequential

[versed atlas]

If your BBs shoot their front line but they happen to move in a way where they don't get hit

You have to restart at some point

[zenith tundra]

i havent lost against amakaga from when i started using amagi kaga bb hiryuu too. not that it matters tbh

[versed atlas]

It's not

It's hard to kill if the other side is BBs

But with CVs they wipe out your front easily

And after that CVs are super dangerous to the backline

Since CVs deal far more damage

They just tend to spread it out with a front line around

I've never seen that

Ever

[modern tree]

losing the frontline just means second akaga strike will smash into your aegis while your BBs shell their foxes clean since theit vg either dies to aux guns or is too close to be considered a valid target

[zenith tundra]

wasda tanks airstrikes like is nothing on defense tbh

[modern tree]

and at worst you will see sodak invuln trigger on second strike, then she will heal for like 1k because she just tanked double airstrike for 3 backliners, and you just move on

[versed atlas]

The problem is that WASDA doesn't deal enough damage in return

When sodak triggers invulnerable against amakaga

The other BBs are dead

[zenith tundra]

i think u should post here ur comp ewuipment because ur doing something wrong for sure @versed atlas

[versed atlas]

The problem for wasda is that if they happen to shoot front line early of the amakaga

Then they simply waste shots

@zenith tundra I've done both amakaga and wasda

I've never run into issues against a wasda fleet

[modern tree]

yeah, but if your vg gets wiped on firsat strike then your shots happen after, hitting foxes clean, and if your vg doesnt die first strike then its not an issue?

[versed atlas]

Huh?

In saying that if WASDA shoots amakaga's VG then they waste shots

I'm saying that amakaga wipes the VG quickly

[vague token]

well, defense bb guns do shoot vanguards

for w/e reason

[versed atlas]

What do you mean? My BBs shoot VG regularly

[vague token]

only attacker ones are unable to shoot vanguards lol

[modest elbow]

They don't always tho

Sometimes second or third shots go to backline

Even when vg is alive

[versed atlas]

Yes, but we are talking about the first hits

Your BBs still fire when your VG is around

If you waste those few shots then you have a much higher chance of needing to restart

[zenith tundra]

@versed atlas as i said if u think wasda loses against amakaga ur equipment is wrong or ur setting up ur comp in the wrong way

[lament lichen]

what am I reading

[modern tree]

but if your vg is around then you will never take enough damage to your backline because aegis triggers all the same while your vg tanks the bombs, I am just continously confused

[zenith tundra]

we dont know either lol

[versed atlas]

Top of course

[blazing scroll]

I have moments where my ykk survives the foxes three times in my WASD

[versed atlas]

The problem isn't that wasda can't beat amakaga

It's that it's inconsistent and it can happen

Whereas amakaga goes the same way almost every single time

[modern tree]

I dont even run belfast on offense anymore, ykkz just lives forever

[blazing scroll]

With Juneau, Bel, Ykk beating amakaga is easy

[lament lichen]

what. wasda is very consistent.

just takes a minute or more to klil

[hot creek]

wasdA defense easily walls amakaga. I see no reason why they wouldn't win offense consistently against amakaga

[modern tree]

excuse my slight blogging, but I am very amused

[blazing scroll]

@balmy torrent Dunno about wasd def but on offense I win easily

against hms

[modern tree]

this guy added me yesterday asking for help with his HMS

[shy hazel]

tell him ,git ud,

[blazing scroll]

I never reposition tho, too lazy

[lament lichen]

i put washi mid

[hot creek]

p sure current HMS doesnt really care about positioning lol.

[shy hazel]

i finally reach 50k gold

[modern tree]

if HMS can snipe your ship then it doesnt matter which one

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

if HMS cant snipe your ship, you kinda won

[shy hazel]

30 rolls to get nagato

[modern tree]

I am just going to say that making hms snipe sodak is really dumb because you are wasting your aegis that would otherwise halve the damage of every other WS/Hood barrage

[vague token]

hood goes zoom zoom?

never heard that one before

[zenith tundra]

hood barrage is before 30 secs

[shy hazel]

almost lost a fight awhile ago

was far from screen

then wash and sd survive

i got amagi left

half hp then all 3 barrage at same time

[modern tree]

Hood lands second barrage at about 32 seconds if she got the first one off.

[shy hazel]

scary shit

[zenith tundra]

oh sry was thinking about amagi instead of hood

[shy hazel]

retarded buff

i have a feeling in this game

that evade doesnt only dodge dmg

but directly has a minus dmg taken stat

directly

for some reason

memeing with sendai in pvp is like

how come just adding flare adds so much dmg

when im alrdy using sirius and aurora

[ionic magnet]

rng

[lament lichen]

oh yeha

saw some wasda team with sendai on def

[hot creek]

double torp buff with jintsuu/sendai. I could see it with a wasdA suicide torp VG.

[shy hazel]

k i guess for now ill decide to nakaga sirius offensive👀

namagaga defense

[ionic magnet]

you guys better grind your nagatos before next season ends

so we can test comps

[vague token]

help too many blue books

xD

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

good luck lol

[hot creek]

I will day 1 oath her, assuming construction RNG doesnt fuck me over.

will be farming gold for the next 22 hours

[ionic magnet]

how to oath day 1

[hot creek]

and crash during maintenance

just put in her in second floor and give her MVPs, shouldn't take more than 13 hours if you keep up.

[ionic magnet]

13 hrs so basically 3 days for me

[hot creek]

feelsNEETman

[ionic magnet]

can still max before next season ends hopefully

[real notch]

LOOL

namagaga

[shy hazel]

i dont really know if ill get her

its nagato amagi hyuuga btw

namagaga

[real notch]

that might be an actual fleet

[ionic magnet]

shouldn't that be namagiga

[real notch]

i'd be excited if it becomes meta

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

these names are getting uglier and uglier

[shy hazel]

hey its better than baga

sounds memey too

[real notch]

zack getting 4 book/gold comms while i'm getting this..

[blazing scroll]

I would still do the cube com

[hot creek]

yeah those overnight cube comms have a decent rate

[real notch]

TRUEE..... getting ready for nagato

[shy hazel]

i have 93 cubes

[blazing scroll]

Those are rookie numbers

Gotta pump them up

[shy hazel]

and 16k gems

[blazing scroll]

Gems are for skins

[shy hazel]

if nagato doesnt come home early ill slap her with diamonds

but well

i only have 50k gold rn lul

[blazing scroll]

Gold is the real problem yeah

[shy hazel]

regrets on delaying long oil comms

[zenith tundra]

im not even running long oil comms i need oil

[shy hazel]

how much total gold u have anyways

i mean all

[zenith tundra]

95k gold rn without missions and full merch

[shy hazel]

mail got gold?

[zenith tundra]

10k merch 8k missions 21k mail

[shy hazel]

so u have about 150k

100 rolls

[zenith tundra]

i cant afford to waste gems rn. all bag gems are for skin and ring pack. so i'm left with 1.5k gems and i need to expand dock

[shy hazel]

isnt your dock 300

[zenith tundra]

i had less then 30 slots available at best

too many purins lol

14 of them

[hot creek]

i want to delete all these lvl 1 ships i know ill never use.

[shy hazel]

i mean i also have 300 with craptons of purin bulin

[hot creek]

but something compels me to keep them

[shy hazel]

still have space

but i plan to expand to 400 soon

[zenith tundra]

i still have some elite coppies i need for mlb

i just didnt use for the gold

[shy hazel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/478121274581843971/549023657570074661/1550937861894.gif

wish no cube

[zenith tundra]

i have 310 cubes including mail and missions but dont feel confident

[shy hazel]

cya and me got magic 10 from beta testing

[hot creek]

i wonder if you would have been able to keep the gems if you didn't report

[shy hazel]

then skin gacha box has 20 more cubes

id report it anyways pls

[zenith tundra]

i spent 5k gems on aurora...

if i have to whale for nagato i dont see it going well at all

[hot creek]

never whale on gacha m8

well, unless you can afford to throw away money like that

but even so, I'd have to be absolutely filthy rich to ever spend money on gacha ever again

[zenith tundra]

its a wise advice but this is nagato we are talking about

[zenith tundra]

how about ppl in my liat do aome pvp... 3hrs and not 1 person moved

[blazing scroll]

Only 3 hours that's nothing

I am used to 8 hrs of waiting

[zenith tundra]

i dont mind waiting 12hrs if these ppl dont appear again in my list this season

[ionic magnet]

how abt you do your rounds zack

[zenith tundra]

if u wait till 30 mins before reset ill do them

plus ull need to wait till i use all 5 before a +1

[ionic magnet]

next reset is 3am so

[zenith tundra]

for me is 8pm

[ionic magnet]

izfine darkova will save the day lol

the best sandbagger in town

[zenith tundra]

do u care to test a bit my trash comp on def and tell me how bad it is?

[ionic magnet]

alright gimme a sec

3 wins 3 losses

i used a lv 106 belfast to be fair (and cos im levelling her) kek

kaga bb is p good actually

but ykkz is a bigger problem if she survives til 2nd airstrike

cos fox bombs get "wasted" on her

[zenith tundra]

toolbox fe yukikaze

kaga bb dmg is pretty good when she proc tbh

thanks for the test btw wasnt expecting to do any good tbh

[ionic magnet]

yea kaga bb can snipe a fox

[coral wren]

without barrage?

[ionic magnet]

with barrage ofc kek

switched sirius in and it got better a little

5-2

but then i lost cos i didn't see a stray salvo

rip 1 charge

that def fleet is better than i thought

[modern tree]

Imagine Nagato

[ionic magnet]

yea

tho nagato should help foxes kill ykkz faster also

[real notch]

yup, kagabb is pretty good in PVP

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu flagship is amazing against foxes and she xan even use yukikaze heal and juneau heal to the fullest gonna miss her tanking

[real notch]

i'd say tier 2 or even tier 1

surprisingly

[zenith tundra]

kaga barrage hits more then amagi sometimes

[coral wren]

XD i fucking got lost in #gameplay-help thinking it was pvp cus all of the pvp talk earlier. And then I see enders texts and It woke me up like hol up ender in pvp cant be right

[real notch]

lurking around in #gameplay-help and i suddenly see so much pvp talk

[coral wren]

Saw sometjing interesting tho. Wasd works later with essex

So not a total loss lvling wasd

[real notch]

yup, wasd essex was one of the fleets made to counter nakaga in JP/CN

[coral wren]

Yeah. I am not touching foxes. I am going straight to naamagi

[real notch]

definitely not a loss at all, i'd say it's a gain

ye, foxes will likely lose their 7 month old tier 0 spot when hiryuukai is released

[coral wren]

I am enjoying hiryuu even now xd

[real notch]

same xd

[coral wren]

[versed atlas]

i think i know why amakaga does so much better for me than wasda

[hot creek]

yeah but foxes f a s t

[versed atlas]

cause when an enemy amakaga comes along and uses their akaga strike my planes will help the frontline not die

[random vault]

using foxes is like putting on a pair of nikes

[versed atlas]

whereas wasda will not

[random vault]

using wasd is like putting on slippers

they both get the job done

[versed atlas]

well there was an argument earlier

and i was told that wasda is just better

[modern tree]

but wasd has 400 AA stat each

[versed atlas]

so?

[random vault]

they thicc

[modern tree]

you think 2 reppus are gonna do better than 2 AA shots at 400 AA stat?

[random vault]

2 reppuus?

what strat is that

[modern tree]

I am just endlessly confused

[versed atlas]

uh, doesn't akaga bring like

300 AA each themselves?

[modern tree]

fighters dont care about CV AA

[versed atlas]

so CV AA itself doesn't fire cause it doesn't have AA guns?

[modern tree]

yea, they are planes, they are boosted by aviation, and yes akaga aviation is obscene, but the planes you are generally running do not really have loudouts to properly AA

[real notch]

CV AA is from interception AA guns

i think from a pure AA standpoint twinfox interception AA is very very strong

[versed atlas]

no i mean

[real notch]

but defending your vanguard from amakaga strikes are made up of much more factors

[versed atlas]

CVs have an anti-air stat themselves

does that not work?

[modern tree]

yes but also its pvp, you are shooting down fighter swarms

and CV AA stat matters only for protection from plane bombs

[versed atlas]

well that's what we're talking about

ultimately what matters is to block your side from taking damage

if CV has their natural AA plus the fighters, then i don't see how wasda is going to compete in AA

[real notch]

err

[ionic magnet]

im lost

[real notch]

there's much more factors lol

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

if you observe your VG dying under wasda but surviving under amakaga, that doesn't necessarily mean amakaga has better AA than wasda

there's a lot of factors

[modern tree]

rather easily, considering wasd AA guns are gonna hit way more planes for way more damage and their AA stats are gonna block way more damage after that's done

[versed atlas]

no, i'm observing that i'm getting crushed by amakaga sometimes when i'm wasda

but if i go amakaga myself i crush them equally as hard

[real notch]

belfast smoke, plane loadout, enemy plane loadout, juneau, amakaga barrage, etc.

[modern tree]

dunno how would fighter interception even compete considering that even the slowest fighters will shoot only once cuz both swarms are flying at eachother

[real notch]

hmm, that's interesting

[versed atlas]

because the aviation stat is much higher?

i will admit that my WASDA gear isn't the greatest

[real notch]

ok as a general rule, twinfox AA is stronger than a typical AA circle

the aviation boost and plane interception usually nukes incoming airstrikes

[versed atlas]

my aux equipment is like +6, but rest is +10 with the proper stuff

[ionic magnet]

can we see your wasda fleet? cos we are assuming a maxed wasda vs maxed amakaga when we say wasda beats amakaga

[real notch]

but i've been running wasda for the last 4 weeks and i haven't gotten crushed by any amakaga comps at all

and i specifically go looking for strong amakagas

[versed atlas]

but i dont see how the few aux equip levels would make such a ridiculously high difference

[hybrid tendon]

eh you guys are arguing about wasd being able to kill planes with AAs?

[blazing scroll]

@real notch Same, haven't lost to a single amakaga yet

[hybrid tendon]

well the thing is pvp has 20%

i havent lost to a single wasd

[real notch]

also, if you are trying to keep your VG alive, i recommend you look into other options, besides trashing your entire backline

[hybrid tendon]

i just kill them

[real notch]

for example

[versed atlas]

well, i'm not looking to do it

that's why i think i win so much vs WASDA

[real notch]

try running belfast, juneau, optimizing your AA guns, optimizing your backline

[versed atlas]

because when WASDA takes a few shots at front line they're likely going to miss the ships entirely

[hybrid tendon]

the 20% damage with everyone have maximum equip is just ......

[versed atlas]

and this means they dont hit the backline

whereas CVs are gonna hit backline anyway

[hybrid tendon]

i prefer amakaga anyday

Because they are faster

[ionic magnet]

who are your VGs btw

[hybrid tendon]

in a gensui rush

[versed atlas]

@real notch i am

it's the same VG

[hybrid tendon]

even if you win with wasd

its TOO SLOW

[versed atlas]

juneau, belfast, yukikaze

[hybrid tendon]

T O O S L O W

[real notch]

@hybrid tendon that's not true, the 20% attack boost is not enough to give you favorable winrates against maxed wasdas

[hot creek]

gensui rush is such a meme

[versed atlas]

running juneau, jintsuu, yukikaze provided the same results

[real notch]

this is proven multiple times against sumire, gurren's fleet etc.

[hybrid tendon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ionic magnet]

hmm weird stuff but its prolly your gears (i mean thats the only reason really)

[real notch]

it's like what, a 50-60% winrate?

[hybrid tendon]

I barely ever lose

also i run a torp frontline

so

if their frontline die to torp and amagi

[real notch]

as you should, if you are amakaga

[hybrid tendon]

wasda is toasted in the next torp wave

[versed atlas]

i've not found torps to be that great

they're so rng

[hybrid tendon]

you have to run 3x homing

[versed atlas]

"hey, my front line missed all the torps cause my ships went to the bottom of the screen"

[blazing scroll]

They are a gimmick but for foxes that's fine since you want to kill asap

[hybrid tendon]

I have been enlightened now

[versed atlas]

"then they wrapped straight up to eat every single enemy torp"

i do run 3x homing

it's the same thing

[real notch]

3x homing/magtorp is a given

[hybrid tendon]

well

[versed atlas]

there was a time i didnt run beaver badge on belfast

[hybrid tendon]

our server is a tryhard one

[real notch]

if you don't have it god bless your soul on your next iron boxes

[hybrid tendon]

and everyone can win against anyone

SO

[versed atlas]

cause with it sometimes it felt like my ships were trying to catch every single torp there was

[hybrid tendon]

amakaga is better

coz

[versed atlas]

like they'd literally approach torps from behind to eat them

[hybrid tendon]

superior speed

you can get 5 tries for gensui so fast

wasd would be at like ...2

[versed atlas]

i dont think gensui is likely for me

[real notch]

ye, that part is true lol amakagas are just faster games

[versed atlas]

like i can take it per 2 week period for amoment

[hybrid tendon]

i know they CAN win

[versed atlas]

but keeping it is not viable

[hybrid tendon]

but they are so fucking slow

wasda mirror

[versed atlas]

resets happen at 10 am, 10 pm, 4 am for me

[ionic magnet]

faster but needs resets

its a trade off

[hot creek]

junueau/aurora/sendai is best offense VG for amakaga don't @ me

[versed atlas]

the 4am reset means it's not really possible to compete for the top spots

[hybrid tendon]

WASD mirror

[real notch]

@versed atlas anyways to answer your question switching to wasda does not make the difference between a surviving VG or not

[versed atlas]

really? cause it felt like it did for me

but in that case wasda just sucks huh

joking

maybe not

[real notch]

uhh can i see your wasda

[versed atlas]

no

[blazing scroll]

Lmao

[real notch]

maybe if we look at the itemization we can look into what is causing the problem

because for me, i don't personally have that issue

i've done tests against maxed amakaga but not alot because it feels pointless

[versed atlas]

sodak is the same basically

[real notch]

hmm

and amagi?

[versed atlas]

same except 410 gun and +10 radar

oh and a better secondary

[real notch]

hmm well as a start, your gear is not optimized

if you optimized it, i'm sure you would get much better results

[versed atlas]

how would i optimize it other than to +10?

[blazing scroll]

I would also run beaver on BB and SG

[real notch]

the optimal gear choice for washington is...

[versed atlas]

huh, beaver on a BB

[hybrid tendon]

should I run beaver on BB i wonder

[versed atlas]

that's actually clever

[hybrid tendon]

I usually stick it on a frontliner

[blazing scroll]

Nah, I put tools and bulges on frontline

[hybrid tendon]

and priority HIT stats on BB

[real notch]

definitely BB

[blazing scroll]

Way more useful

[versed atlas]

i run 2x +10 toolbox on yukikaze

well i dont have ufos

and i also dont have 6x radars

[blazing scroll]

Bofors?

[versed atlas]

gold ones anyway

[blazing scroll]

SG are a must both for pvp and pve

[versed atlas]

i guess SG could make a big difference indeed

i guess i'll report back in a couple of months when i get enough SGs

[hybrid tendon]

ykkz is not a gamechanging unit

[blazing scroll]

She is really strong tho

Best DD imo

[hybrid tendon]

yes

[versed atlas]

also is that gold secondary worth it? i guess 25 AA is better than 5 FP

also, wut

[ionic magnet]

thats another reason why people refuses to switch to wasda
needs a lot of investment

[versed atlas]

ykkz is like the craziest ship i've seen

[hybrid tendon]

nah

you have seen nothing

[versed atlas]

ykkz vs no ykkz is like

"they have no chance"

[hybrid tendon]

shes not nagato/ws kai tier

shes good

yes

[real notch]

ok here are the steps to optimizing your wasda (conventionally)

1. learn the shelling delay with overlapping RoFs on BBs --> don't stack identical RoF between wash and sd
2. swap aux gun to twin 127mm, this will help with VG shredding when your VG dies
3. swap AA gun to either bofor or twin 113mm, this is very important
4. swap aux to SG, HFCR, or beaver. upping FP is not as useful due to their low accuracy generally anyways

[hybrid tendon]

but shes just a DD at the end of the day

you want to tryhard

?

[ionic magnet]

gold twin 127 is the best secondary gun to kill enemy VGs

[hybrid tendon]

use juneau

[hot creek]

nah, you use both m8

[hybrid tendon]

well thats too tryhard

[versed atlas]

would it make sense to swap the SKCs from backline to front line

and put bofors on WASDA?

[blazing scroll]

If you don't have the ufos

[versed atlas]

well

one of my ufos is on juneau

[hybrid tendon]

I never use juneau tho

[versed atlas]

the other one is on, i dont even know what

[hybrid tendon]

[blazing scroll]

ufos are best on main fleet

[real notch]

AA damage is additive, so you have large AA dmg contributed by slapping high dmg AA guns onto high AA ships

[hybrid tendon]

but I still have her at 110

in CASE

[buoyant parrot]

what's so hard in using WASDA? You mostly just have to stick Gold things in it.

[hybrid tendon]

I need to tryhard

[versed atlas]

but juneau is an atlanta-class tho

[real notch]

but overall the mix is more important

[versed atlas]

isn't her AA stronger?

[real notch]

that's why juneau has twin 113mm

[buoyant parrot]

[hybrid tendon]

juneau has that AA mode skill

[versed atlas]

yeah

[hybrid tendon]

good for akaga

[versed atlas]

holy crap

[real notch]

when you field wadsa, you have 6/6 AA guns to use

[versed atlas]

juneau lterally has base 400 AA

plus equip + skill

[hybrid tendon]

literally perfect pvp unit

[real notch]

i usually run 2x UFO and 4x bofors

[versed atlas]

jesus

[blazing scroll]

Juneau in the back?

[ionic magnet]

just put your best AA guns on the ones wiht highest AA stst and efficiencies kek

[buoyant parrot]

your most min-max WASDA Fleet.

[versed atlas]

jintsuu at the front

why

[real notch]

that's a good fleet, but it looks inflated

you have 2 twin 381s right?

[hybrid tendon]

wasd amagi is super strong

[real notch]

and 2 rainbow dildos?

[buoyant parrot]

because regardless of what position you put Jintsu she die fast... Regardless... On the other hand I want Nanoda to stay alive longer

[versed atlas]

man, i got 2x rainbow dildos to +10

[hybrid tendon]

actually maybe just use 381 in pvp

[real notch]

i'm ok with 2 rainbow dildos but

[hybrid tendon]

on all botes

[versed atlas]

and thought "my frontline's gonna be jintsuu, ayanami, ykkz"

"i'm gonna torp the everloving fuck out of everything!"

[hybrid tendon]

because firing first is just...better

[versed atlas]

and then i tried it

[real notch]

381 is not optimal on non-barrage time fixed ships

[versed atlas]

ayanami always died in the first torp trade

[buoyant parrot]

and 110 fleets chunk too much damage if you prolonged the fight that is why she's should die 2nd

[real notch]

i'm not an advocate of using 2x 381 on wasda

381 should only be on amagi and that's it

[hybrid tendon]

well

for science

you know

[versed atlas]

i have 2x rainbow dildo

[hybrid tendon]

[versed atlas]

should i get a 381 instead of a third rainbow dildo?

[hybrid tendon]

just try it

to see if your winrate changes

[real notch]

there's too much main salvo dmg loss just for 3 sec faster RoF

[buoyant parrot]

I should do a live stream tomorrow 10/10 attacks You'll see me finish all that run without me even trying to reset once.

[hybrid tendon]

good

[blazing scroll]

I don't see much use for a third dildo

And it's expensive

[hybrid tendon]

less opponent for gensui

[versed atlas]

6 dildos or go home?

[blazing scroll]

So get the 381

[hybrid tendon]

just use all your attacks plz

[buoyant parrot]

I dropped out of this season like 5 days ago

[versed atlas]

so you can do jintsuu, ayanami, ykkz with 6 dildos

and then 1 shot the entire enemy fleet with opening torps

[buoyant parrot]

I missed 3 attacks, My alarm didn't trigger

[versed atlas]

if you can't even 1 shot them with your opening torps, are you even trying?

[blazing scroll]

You need to hit those dildos too tho

[versed atlas]

ayanami has like

[blazing scroll]

Better swap somebody with aurora

[real notch]

YKKZ is a very strong ship

[versed atlas]

800 torp stat with 2x dildos

[ionic magnet]

dildos are the most overrated gear i swear

[real notch]

IIRC she's seeing much more use in JP/CN atm

[versed atlas]

and then you add in her skill and jintsuu's skills

when ykkz patch hit

[buoyant parrot]

My nanoda out lasts most of my opponent coz of "DMG 1" lol

[versed atlas]

pretty much everyone on aurora was ykkz secretary in pvp

[ionic magnet]

enemies will die with or without dildos if they eat torps kek

[versed atlas]

to get her to max affection i guess

i think using dildos is bad though

cause you want to use it on DDs the most