pvp

[real notch]

Mother fuker

You guys have so many god damn magtorps

[trail hollow]

Never had problems with amakaga using wasda

[real notch]

Meanwhile my last 6 gold items were this

Also yea wasda is foolproof against amakaga

[silver root]

that's a lot of reload speed

[odd schooner]

CODE RED

[clear cloud]

welp ink stain
pvp gonna changed

[odd schooner]

That didn't last so long

Rip usn

[clear cloud]

so what pvp setup gonna at top?
akaga+moe?
amagi+moe+kaga bb/ise kai/souryuu?

[modern tree]

This before research makes me very sad

At least all the exp I put on hiryuu and hyuuga might find use

[odd schooner]

Should still be nakaga

Then def probably nagato amagi wildcard

[hot creek]

welp. time for me to stock coins. i do not want to be left behind even by a couple days. that was annoying seeing people with leveled yukikazes while i had to wait for coins to regen

[clear cloud]

??
mikasa event is offline event

[odd schooner]

@balmy torrent i think it's more on everyone's gold isn't ready

[coral wren]

💳

I doubt u will need more than 1 shipload of gems

which is usually what I buy per event

new ships needs new rings new skins new packets

have more money

ez fix

[hot creek]

kinda regretting spending 1200 chips on wasd yesterday....

[silver root]

Oof

[finite valve]

you only need 600 for nagato anyway so not like you can't farm it back until event

[clear cloud]

you earn chip faster than you can level a ship to 110

[silver root]

what would be a typical nagaka vanguard?

given what we have in EN

[finite valve]

"you earn chip faster than you can level a VG ship to 110"

backline farm is fucking ez

[elder crane]

Nakaga vanguard is mostly same as Amkaga vanguard

[finite valve]

still doesn't change the fact of said sentence

[elder crane]

Oh no, I'm replying to the guy who asked

[hot creek]

1.5 backline bonus too stronk

[silver root]

yuki+aya+jinsuu/sendai?

[elder crane]

No Aya on offense

[finite valve]

i am moving to jesus aurora YKK

[hot creek]

no aya anywhere

[clear cloud]

yukikaze sendai jintsuu

[finite valve]

better safe then sorry for mirror

[silver root]

true

[elder crane]

And Aurora/Juneau/Bel is also option

[finite valve]

YKK is better against bel for the triple heal + back line protection imo

[dense lynx]

sup bois

[elder crane]

I think Aurora still better than Sendai except vs Bel
But you'd probably want both vsBel anyways

[clear cloud]

or ykkz sendai aurora

[finite valve]

that is the go to comp for JP

[odd schooner]

I'm sticking to sendai aurora sirius

[finite valve]

i fear you going to lose the back line battle if both VG die

[silver root]

a fellow man of culture I see

[hidden wyvern]

https://i.imgur.com/laPpeZm.jpg

[finite valve]

since if ppl use jesus your back line going to have less hp then their

[odd schooner]

Losing on offensive

What's that

[dense lynx]

anyone from washington here

[elder crane]

Nagaka, esp w Sirius should easy kill vanguard
And I think it can alpha enough to kill a main on offense

[odd schooner]

Ye sirius only works on offense

[elder crane]

So just go all in on dmg for offense, dead things can't hurt you

[finite valve]

"Never go full retard"

[odd schooner]

Uhh

[elder crane]

Def Nakaga has to try to not drop main fleet ships vs Nakaga 1st strike I think, it probs isn't powerful enough to contest the alpha strike

Offense if it can reliably kill one defense main fleet ship without losing any of own on offense should have that as favoured strategy

For the mirror that is

[odd schooner]

Just adding more rng with nagato boost and barrage i guess

Fatal rng

That could end the match faster

So we'll be seeing

Nagato amagi hiryuu comps now

@elder crane you're going with that right

I saw your fleet few days ago

On def

[dense lynx]

what server

[trim horizon]

🤣

[grave gale]

Not sure if non retro Hiryuu is the best use of that third slot

[finite valve]

more like there no other choice for the random lel
if only we have taihou zzz

[grave gale]

Hyuuga's retro for the fp boost?

[zenith tundra]

why is nagato already here...

[finite valve]

you relying on nagato proc to do any worth while dmg

[zenith tundra]

just woke up and saw the game announcements

[finite valve]

if that the case i just use non nagato comp lel

70% can even miss what do you think a 40% going to do?

[coral wren]

aww man I am really not prepared for nagato. both my foxes are 101 been only using wasda

[grave gale]

I'll probably run double fox still. Maybe add Sirius to really pump up the damage

[coral wren]

man. fk hyuuga kai. give us hiryuu retros so I acn use nagato amagi hiryuu kai

[zenith tundra]

when do we get research tho... i feel like they are waiting quite a bit for that

[grave gale]

Right now Sirius isn't that great with foxes. Smoke screen stops too much of the damage to completely rely on it. Nagato's boost may change that

[hot creek]

what no. sendai aurora already wrecks the shit outta belfast. adding sirius to the mix only makes it better

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't say hyuuga kai is a bad thing to have her aa is so good might even end up being a great 3rd spot choice for namagi

[real notch]

based on my (short) tests sirius is a better VG with sendai/aurora than jintsuu is

[zenith tundra]

i think jintsuu is a good choice against wasda but not good for mirror. against foxes she just dies too fast

[modest elbow]

Is WASD ded now with nagato incoming

[hot creek]

against nakaga they'll still do fine

but when people start doing namagi its probably gg

[coral wren]

but namagi needs a hiryuu kai?

or

[zenith tundra]

917 5/10

[coral wren]

can that third be anything

[zenith tundra]

actually it can be anything

[coral wren]

sounds good. I have been preparing for namagihiryuu the whole time

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu kai and taihou are the best choices

hiryuu kai even more with ws kai but then u end up using ws kai yourself

[coral wren]

whats our EN selections for vanguards for namagi?

ws kai is like year away xD

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze juneau x

[coral wren]

oh nice

I stopped using foxes and all my sendai jintsu and aurora and sirius are all at 100

yikes

[modest elbow]

Is sheffield good for pvp

[zenith tundra]

better then having all of them at 110 and never use them

[modest elbow]

Like as the third member on that lineup

[coral wren]

ik but I am lvling them in pvp so it takes time

jesus have more hp than sheff

I think

its always tricky with those hp when they are too close

[zenith tundra]

juneau has 200hp less then lvl 109 sheffield

i like sheffield but she's doesn't offer much other then vg survivability then again if that's what u need might even be a better choice overall then belfast

[modern tree]

Sheffield is worth for dem legs. Making Nanoda even more ridiculously unsinkable is a bonus

her barrage is silly good, but pvp AI

[zenith tundra]

with sheffield yukikaze is actually dumb how tanky yukikaze is

[modern tree]

I really dont like Belfast anymore. She's probably still fine on defense, but on offense she feels super redundant

[zenith tundra]

not really

[modern tree]

not at all

[zenith tundra]

it still can proc afterwards on like main fleet but the % is not good plus sendai isn't tanky enough for it

[hot creek]

once had a sendai survive til she could flare backline. seeing an Enty get flared was so satisfying

[zenith tundra]

it happened to me too but chances aren't great

[modest elbow]

Sirens?

Sirens are always nice

Oh

[zenith tundra]

1k chips in shop so no need to save for nagato

they only cost 3k pts too

+1.7k chips from acumulation

[modern tree]

ISS doesnt seem to have anything notable for pvp, you can get Catapults while farming for Kawakaze so that's neat, maybe

at least its something useful unless you have like 17 of them

[hot creek]

918 5/10

[zenith tundra]

i got a total of +8 this reset how did u get more pts then that? isn't sandy hard to sandbag?

[modern tree]

for some reason its really easy to snipe specific people atm so depending on how much rereolls you commit, you can get a lot of points randomly

[dense lynx]

[hot creek]

only had two matches with bonus but they ranked p high. i think one guy was r70 and the other was r9

[zenith tundra]

whatever... guess it's easier when ppl use attempts instead of sitting at 5/10 all the time

[hot creek]

just luck and guessing with rerolls. even then I can only tie with r1 now lol

whats your current score daxam?

[modern tree]

9/11

I get lazy about it cuz I'd rather get may attempts over with and continue farming Columbia with shitty ships I need to level

[hot creek]

I see

Columbia farm is hellish

[modern tree]

I find it rather easy if I use real ships

And I get to use Subs like 25% of the time, so that's cool

[hot creek]

i still don't really know how subs work

is it just rng

when you get to use them?

[zenith tundra]

u can use subs when a enemy ship is within their range

[lament lichen]

you can only use subs on certain maps

[modern tree]

they spawn in one of the random points on the map and if your hunting range hits something you can order them to fuck with it or call them in battle

that's about it

also, most of the maps before w10 can only support subs in X-4 and the sub nodes from scanning

they are really quite a huge meme

[zenith tundra]

+2 from rank 100... it's getting harder to sandbag

@hot creek https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/User:Itsfyh/Submarines it's pinned in help it's a good guide

[hot creek]

thanks m8

[silver root]

is mogami kai good for pvp?

[dense lynx]

[modern tree]

I am not sure if she lives long enough to do anything with her broken ass stats and efficencies just because medium armour makes you take extra damage from big stuff and torps. Hard to test for me atm cuz she's only 105, but I will get to it at some point

[zenith tundra]

at 120 she should be fine

she's one of the ships iriya suggested for amagi ijn buff in jp meta

[outer stump]

I still wonder why I don't see Yukikaze that much often

[hot creek]

cause leveling DDs is annoying

[vague token]

tfw subs dont use auto mode

and thus wont get exp if you arent paying attention

triggered

also do amakagas even use ykk on defense?

i feel like she does more for wasd/a

[leaden sequoia]

I just farm 7-2 with ykkz

[vague token]

oof

+2 oh boi

man i still see prinz on defense

i dont understand, not even oathed

[zenith tundra]

i got a +5 this reset already in 3 attempts

[vague token]

owo

hopefully i can get another +2 in 4 hours xD

[zenith tundra]

i think im totally done using attempts past 15-20 mins before resets

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

i never get lucky doing that

[real notch]

that's called living dangerously..

[vague token]

i only save 1 match for the 10 minutes before reset

otherwise ill get distracted

or something

[real notch]

same lol

[vague token]

casual sand bagging

none of that hardcore stuff

xD

[zenith tundra]

the point is to avoid sandbaggers that use attempts at the end of the reset

if i dont wait till end of it i can get ppl in my list that did their attempts earlier and most likely arent sandbaggers

[vague token]

ah

[zenith tundra]

the point is exactly to use 5th attempt of the reset before 15min before reset

[vague token]

ah

nothing like leveling montpelier and jintsuu at the same time

but only one secretary spot for affection

ree

[zenith tundra]

put the one that never gets mvp

if u want both of them to get affection at the same time

[vague token]

oh i forgot mvp gives a bit more

[zenith tundra]

twice is not a bit more

[ionic magnet]

nagato event

guess this ends the kms box = kms event myth

[zenith tundra]

lol

that also ends amakaga era

[storm pasture]

@zenith tundra YES. FINALLY

[odd schooner]

It ends whole EN PvP era

[modern tree]

I cant wait to see nothing but flagship loli until sniper loli comes to EN

boy I am so excited

where is PR tho wtf

[zenith tundra]

im actually curious why arent we getting pr already

if i have to guess we'll have to wait for nagato event to end before pr...

[coral wren]

my ykk is 110 just from doing 11-4 duo front with mogami kai

[vague token]

"haha here's PR and ink stained at the same time"

[odd schooner]

@zenith tundra someone faced your def

So the feedback is that your ykkz didn't heal anyone with the pearl

Also sent his comp

[mental sierra]

lol

the fuck?

is that a meme comp or are jamaica and cygnet legit now?

[zenith tundra]

i have 2 fcr equipped because of amagi and didnt expect hms to beat wasda tbh

[modern tree]

feedback for HMS lol

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze not healing anything tho...

[modern tree]

best advice is probably get that shit off defense

[odd schooner]

@mental sierra he's raising ships

[zenith tundra]

amakaga is pointless tho

[mental sierra]

Ah, I see

[odd schooner]

The important part is pearl and yukikaze

Probably the same with any other comp

[zenith tundra]

it works for offense not defense. plus i dont need heal usually

did u get any bns?

[modern tree]

all things considered, ykkz doesnt really like sinking, ever so pearl on her might be a stretch

[zenith tundra]

i didnt know there were vg that outlasted wasda

[shy hazel]

here you go

nagato with mikasa event

we`ll add pr ships as bonus

[modern tree]

"storm"

[coral wren]

I'm ready for it

I hope they do that

[shy hazel]

mikasa with nagato event is happening in jp

mikasa took heavy builds

then wow announcement is soon

new pr ships

they may implement pr ships here

with the new ones

if therr are plans to

Storm indeed

[cerulean estuary]

too many events , gotta restocks some coffee's

[storm pasture]

When to use mikasa and when to use nagato in pvp?

Their buff look similiar though

[modern tree]

Mikasa never, she just doent have defensive stats to really work

also, no game winning barrage

[shy hazel]

u can call her

meh kasa in pvp

[storm pasture]

@modern tree game winning barrage? How strong is her barrage?

[shy hazel]

yamato has very large and strong barrage

its a coin flip though

40% chance to proc

[finite valve]

tfw you know the future

[modern tree]

the biggest 7

[real notch]

yamato

[finite valve]

glad someone notice it lel

[shy hazel]

o lop

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

mistyped

i didnt even notice it

[leaden sequoia]

dammit Stella

I lurked JP twitter to see Yamato mentions

after you wrote that

[shy hazel]

jebaited

[zenith tundra]

there is no announcement for mikasa

[modern tree]

I wonder if we will get a rerun version with the sub, which will make the whole letter to community thing entirely pointless

[zenith tundra]

it wont be rerun

[modern tree]

ok

[zenith tundra]

for the above reason

[thick matrix]

Rerun version and (potentially) mikasa would gut peoples cubes

Ain’t gonna happen I’d imagine

[zenith tundra]

the riot would be too much tho

are there even new ships in mikasa event?

from what i know its same event as last time they had it

[thick matrix]

Don’t think so but I presume that people on en will roll just for mikasa anyway

[zenith tundra]

its 3rd run of mikasa event in jp

[thick matrix]

Yea I think all it got was some skins

Right?

[zenith tundra]

i dont see it as a big deal they get it with ink stained

[thick matrix]

Yea, I suppose. EN has gone at a faster pace though. Rerun version of ink stained and mikasa running on en at the same time would be gutting as things currently stand

I think first run ink stained + mikasa , followed by the new version of pr is what en might get this month.

[zenith tundra]

if someone played both events all he has to pull are rerun isss ships which is not much

[thick matrix]

Of course, that’s why I think it’s okay on jp and would be bad for en currently

[zenith tundra]

pr should be this month already

[thick matrix]

We’ve never had ink stained, after all

Yea I hope we get the new pr alongside cn/jp

And I guess kr will get it, too?

[zenith tundra]

i dont think that will happen tho

new pr will take a while

[thick matrix]

Most likely

We’ll see.

[shy hazel]

pr is confusing anyways

[zenith tundra]

@odd schooner gonna use 2 attempts if u have me on ur list

[shy hazel]

its both a main game feature and collab at the same time

[zenith tundra]

984 5/10

[odd schooner]

I already pushed. This reset usually I'm on a bus

[ionic magnet]

jp can afford 2 events at the same time cos people there have nothing to do with their cubes anyways

wont happen in EN if devs have half a brain

[zenith tundra]

@odd schooner what's ur score?

[shy hazel]

its better to wait for license to reach day 0 right

then refresh it

for faster one day and double stuff

[zenith tundra]

u get 1 more that way

on the 0 day

[shy hazel]

can get on reset later

[zenith tundra]

i have to wait 2 more days for that

[lament lichen]

geez only 3 bonus points this reset

[hot creek]

I only got 2

[zenith tundra]

i got 3 +2 and 1 +1

[cerulean estuary]

always got eyebags

[hot creek]

oh cool, matchmaking gave me a +1

981 5/10

still wouldn't be able to catch up with current r1

[zenith tundra]

[hot creek]

maybe staying 2/10 to 7/10 would be better idk

[zenith tundra]

im 1pt behind r1 too... frick this season

[lament lichen]

better to get the rushers and be 5/10

[zenith tundra]

7/10 with a +1. let's see

[hot creek]

I think after 1050 pt ill move up to 3/10 8/10

[vague token]

sitting on my 10/10 for a bit xD

i like to live dangerously

[zenith tundra]

whats ur score?

i want to see how many pts i lose by going to 7/10

[vague token]

im at 956 10/10 atm

[mental sierra]

I'm at ??? 30/10 because fuck this season

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

oooof

[zenith tundra]

im about to f this season too. tired of stupid seasons fucked up by incompetent devs. if they fuck up 1 more season after this one i'll play pvp for fun only. trying to rank up when shit make no sense is so pointless

[leaden jay]

I don't understand why Jintsuu is suggested this kind of gear on this guide

Isn't Rainbow + Bulge better than Toolbox + Rainbow?

if I were to push the Rainbow

[zenith tundra]

it usually wouldn't because torp meta is only now. at lvl 120 u have other options

not every team time of 2-3 month will use jintsuu

[leaden jay]

I mean, is it better to run Toolbox in PvP? They usually die under 15 anyway

for like, 1% health is blegh

compared to 30% torp decrease

[zenith tundra]

without jintsuu on opponent team torp arent that treatening

[leaden jay]

I guess

but there are times where ships can insta-die from the first initial torp wave

[ionic magnet]

id take bulge over toolbox anyday

[leaden jay]

Yeah

[ionic magnet]

if i were to pick one

[leaden jay]

me too

[zenith tundra]

i use bulgea too but when u end up fighting pr ships that have no torp stat is kind of useless to run it by default

1 dd left in pvp in jp meta and its yukikaze. jintsuu sendai etc obsolete pretty much

[leaden jay]

I still see Belfast being run for some reason

[ionic magnet]

yea i guess but bulge over toolkit til then

[zenith tundra]

i think there may be ppl using wakaga

[leaden jay]

I wonder if the extra 500 health from toolkit is better than Rainbow Torp then

I guess that's dependent on RNG w/ torps hitting or not

[ionic magnet]

for reference, a maxed dildo adds ~150 dmg to torps

[zenith tundra]

if u use torp vg might as well go dmg

[leaden jay]

so, per torp?

[ionic magnet]

is that worth it? not to me

[leaden jay]

hmmm..

[ionic magnet]

yea per torp

[leaden jay]

Yeah, doesn't sound that good

you can tank 3 with one toolkit, roughly

[ionic magnet]

but depends on your goal still

[leaden jay]

and since the chances of hitting more than 3 against the enemy is not much, maybe it's not worth it to run it then

[ionic magnet]

if you dont care abt your vgs surviving then dildos it is

[zenith tundra]

against non cv comps it might be better dildo

ur vg wont die 14 secs in

[leaden jay]

so lineups that run WASD?

I'm guessing rainbow dildo isn't worth running then

against the typicall Amagi foxgirl lineup

[trail hollow]

Its either ur doing offense or defense imo..
Wasda is good for long ass fights and nakaga is the opposite, for their vanguards i guess wasda is better with a vanguard that delays and stays longer while nakaga needs some more serious synergy to boost up the first wave of dmg to auto drstroy vangd at the first 10s

[leaden jay]

but I've destroyed decent WASD fleets with Amakaga

[trail hollow]

You can also mix some dmg in for wasda fleets

But doing a defensive nakaga is just meh

[leaden jay]

But I play on EN, no Nagato

[ionic magnet]

wasda runs juneau/belfast tho and their torps are not that great anyway so id just put toolbox/bulge on them tbh

nagato next week

[trail hollow]

Nakaga is kind of hit or miss.. if you dont deal much dmg in the first 15 secs theres a chance youll lose

But with sendai and aurora debuff, enemy will be lucky to be alive lmao

[leaden jay]

The flare?

My flare sometimes fails to proc cuz she dies before 10 seconds lol

[trail hollow]

Cant wait for 818s to do more nakaga dmg

Rip lmao

[mental sierra]

I still haven't gotten Sendai because 11-3 hates me

[leaden jay]

lmao

it took quite a while for me to farm Jintsuu

[mental sierra]

it's a fucking blue, but fuck this game

I don't have Jintsuu either

because fuck this game

[leaden jay]

got all the other purple ships many times before I got Jintsuu

Sendai dropped for me when I was pushing to 10-4 for Jintsuu

Blue ship

[trail hollow]

I got tons of her dupes lmao

[mental sierra]

wat. but jintsuu is 10-4

[leaden jay]

wait

I'm retarded

my bad

[trail hollow]

I power lvl units in 11-3 cuz it gives nice exp

[mental sierra]

[trail hollow]

[ionic magnet]

[leaden jay]

[trail hollow]

Gotta lvl her thou

Shes still at lvl 3

Also bofors would be better imo

[leaden jay]

Oh no.. you didn't rename the Retrofit off her name

[zenith tundra]

custom names are for memers

[trail hollow]

use default skin, remove “retrofit”

Still colored purple thou

[zenith tundra]

paint ur screen blue then

[trail hollow]

[leaden jay]

Put "(Blue Ship BTW)"

[trail hollow]

[ionic magnet]

[trail hollow]

Welp

[mental sierra]

okay, see, come on

the fucking devs gotta write better shit than this

[trail hollow]

Since they announced nagato event

[mental sierra]

She's out there actually fighting and launching flares and shit

[trail hollow]

Guess ill go lvl jintsu and sendai

[mental sierra]

What the fuck do we do better than her?

sit on our ass?

[leaden jay]

The thing is, ship girls and the shikikan do completely different things

I don't see shikikan fighting enemy shipgirls

[mental sierra]

exactly

[trail hollow]

Just imagine a normal person taking a 381mm in the face

[mental sierra]

⚰

[vague token]

they died

xD

+2 from my 10/10 fight

[silver root]

what are some counters to nagaka or nagato/amagi comps? besides mirrors

didnt start playing till 2 weeks after the amagi event 😦

[finite valve]

wait till PR become a thing

[silver root]

[finite valve]

pvp in avrora is absolute cancer so it is impossible for newbie to try and break 1k

[silver root]

gotta power level the foxes then 😦

[ionic magnet]

hms is prolly the best route if im starting from scratch cos they're really good in pve too

your only other option is nakaga anyway if you missed amagi

[mental sierra]

@silver root That you even have the foxes is great

I know people who have played since launch and don't have either

or only have 1

[silver root]

I had to whale some serious oil for the foxes

[vague token]

namagi at least doesnt have the same damage rush that nakaga does

so you can use slower carriers

for deeps/utility

[silver root]

slow enough for enty comps?

[finite valve]

that is entirely depend on your VG

[vague token]

well, enty still wont dodge anything

i wouldnt suggest using her

[finite valve]

you got meta VG?

[silver root]

working on jintsuu farming

got yuki and aurora

[finite valve]

aurora only worth it if you use foxes

i think aurora YKK and jesus might work

[vague token]

aurora is worth it if you see a meme eldridge/juneau comp

and you run gun dps

aka not many people

[finite valve]

using eldridge in foxes meta is suicide lel

[edgy jetty]

what's the highest power of vanguard for the current meta ?

aya 2 oxy + jintsuu 1 oxy ?

[finite valve]

more so with nagato in the mix

[vague token]

oh i meant against non-foxes

you see them every so often

[mental sierra]

soon as I get Sendai I'm gonna be doing aurora ykkz sendai and sometimes aurora sirius sendai for even MORE accuracy memes

[finite valve]

around 15k i think?

[silver root]

aurora sirius sendai sounds hilariously amazing

imma try that one day

[finite valve]

i don't really care for fleet power meme

[mental sierra]

aurora sirius sendai says FUCK YOUR SMOKESCREEN I HAVE MONEY

[finite valve]

<working on aurora and jesus atm

going to max sendai sirius later

[mental sierra]

I'm working on ykkz. Sirius is maxed and I don't have Sendai yet

ykkz is 100 but I got her to 100 on commissions and dorm so she's not max affection yet

[finite valve]

i got lvl 100 and 100 affec sirius

just hope she can get to 200 at 110

zzz

[edgy jetty]

oxy torp + gold SG radar good for jintsuu ?

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't use sg on vg ships

use bulge/beaver/toolbox/boiler on her

[vague token]

sg would only be ok for CA

xD

just ok

[ionic magnet]

i think that's the guy whos obsessed with fleet power

just put dildos/gold radars/beaver tag

as many as you can

[zenith tundra]

i need more oxy then. gotta have 6 oxy memes

ecept i wont waste core data on them anytime soon

[vague token]

i only +3'd my second oxy

dont got plates for that lol

[zenith tundra]

i tried 2 oxy for vg and it feele like made out of thin paper with them

i have both at +10

[vague token]

wow

xD

if only dorsetshire wasnt garbage

could meme oxy on her

double oxy CA LOL

[mental sierra]

man, dorsetshire looks so fucking cool though

it sucks that she's garbage

[vague token]

yeah

she even has a torp crit skill and everything

or if like someone could boost CA torp crits

like jintsuu does for cl/dd

[mental sierra]

oh, since fuck this season, I can at least use this season to get my total # of exercises back to a multiple of 5

[vague token]

lol

i keep forgetting to use sub attack

cause im an auto lane player

[mental sierra]

I just don't give any fucks about submarine mechanics

I want to collect the girls but I don't want to fuck with the added bullshit

though, the submarine girls' animations in combat are fucking adorable

[vague token]

subs for pvp!

just 1 xD

[zenith tundra]

to bad subs don't attack subs. we could have pvp for subs

[vague token]

yeah that doesnt make sense to me

xD

like sub torps should work on subs

[zenith tundra]

also finally a use for chaser

[vague token]

for pvp reasons of course

[odd schooner]

@zenith tundra oh before this reset? 978

[zenith tundra]

i was asking when u said u already pushed

[odd schooner]

Ye i just checked mentions now

Lmao

[zenith tundra]

i fucked up by going to 7/10 and +3 this reset

[odd schooner]

I just got +2 this reset

[zenith tundra]

better sandbag out of sandbaggers i guess. at least they play

i'm already at 5/10 now so rip

[odd schooner]

@cerulean estuary i found some issue with your ykkz getting sandwich treatment. Most of the time juneau lives longer

I think it happene when Belfast dies and vanguard advances

[zenith tundra]

is it that bad to have jesus tank instead of belfast?

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

i'm curious because idk wasda mechanic at all

173 affection and 1.46mil xp on my hiryuu.. at this rate she'll be the ships with xp in my dock

doesn't help that mogami without torp and with a +6 skc still manages mvp

[vague token]

heh

my hiryu is only at 141 affinity and 54k cause im using sara atm

xD

not sure if going to oath sara though

[zenith tundra]

i oathed her when she was already lvl 100. considering that my yukikaze took more xp then 110 to max affection i guess it's normal

[vague token]

ah

[zenith tundra]

my hiryuu was 100 before her affection was 60

[vague token]

o.o

[zenith tundra]

i started leveling up my bunnies when their retro was released in jp and it was pretty much dorm commissions only

now that nagato is here i need her

[vague token]

ah

poor souryuu though

i think they said she works in jp/cn

[zenith tundra]

i think on offense against nakaga even without retro she should be just fine

[vague token]

yeah, she's just kinda bland in her skill set i guess

[zenith tundra]

not sure i like the rng retro skill that much tbh

[vague token]

on hiryuu?

or souryuu's

oh they're the same skill

lol

xD

[zenith tundra]

At 10s and every 20s after that, launches a random amount of torpedo bombers that number from 5 (7%) to, 3(12%), 2(51%), 1(30%) dropping 2 parallel torps each.
this is wis explanation of their retro skills

[vague token]

what, at 10?

it says 15 on wiki

xD

[zenith tundra]

let mem check on cn wiki

[vague token]

kk

[zenith tundra]

cn wiki says 10 too

[vague token]

rip

[zenith tundra]

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/飞龙

[vague token]

i mean that's a buff i guess?

i feel like they'll get shot down though, at least they're line torps

so they deploy early

[zenith tundra]

the difference in between soryuu and hiryuu is that soryuu has dive bombers while hiryuu has torp

[vague token]

oh

wow they need that in the en wiki

cause that's a big deal

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu can launch 10 torp and soryuu can drop 15 bombs

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

max

it's a 7% chance tho

[vague token]

dive bombs are still weird for me

i just never can tell how much damage sara is gonna do and then she gets mvp xD

even though im using meme dive bombers

comet/firefly lol

i guess witch's prank just hits like a truck

[mental sierra]

also witch's prank is one of the best skill names in the game

[zenith tundra]

if there are any dive bombers without bombs (why would that even be a thing) u can use zero fighter and see her dmg with her skill only

[mental sierra]

god I love saratoga. I don't care how many people hate her skill activation line

[zenith tundra]

i don't use sounds so all i care for is her dmg

[vague token]

it's not that bad imo

akagi laugh still haunts us all

unless you're into that

[mental sierra]

well that you only hear once a fight unless you have pirate on her

[vague token]

true

[mental sierra]

I think people hate saratoga because her skill activates like every what, 15 seconds?

[vague token]

gun is 10

at max

[mental sierra]

ah, yeah, see

that's super frequent

[vague token]

yeah

also again at the 24 or w/e when her airstrike goes

cause fleet escort

or w/e it's called

but im also using triple gold and 2 catas for maximum POWERRRRR

so that might be why gun damage and prank are so high

[zenith tundra]

the extra shoots are one of the reason i love sara. she doesn't feel like a total dead weight unless she launches

[vague token]

although the gun aiming is whacky

lol

[zenith tundra]

from what i can tell she aims at 1 opponent even after it dies

so if she kills the target in 1 shoot the rest are wasted

[vague token]

yeah but the projectiles like split awkwardly too and stuff

[zenith tundra]

yeah the spread is bad too

[vague token]

although when it hits it's good

[zenith tundra]

if they would reduce the amount of bomb boats i would run her solo backline

in higher worlds

[vague token]

ah

she definitely is nice with sirius in everything since she scales so hard with aviation

xD

plus gotta counteract the negative aviation from amagi nowadays

[zenith tundra]

sirius is actually really good vg ship for cvs because of her dd gun. she can easily kill bomb boats

[vague token]

yeah

kinda wish she had MGM+1 like sandy kai

[zenith tundra]

dd gun with mg+1 lol

stupid sandy kai

[vague token]

to be fair

there is a dd with MGM+1

she has terrible gun stats

niizuki why =/

well her whole class

[leaden sequoia]

cuz she's not USS 🇺🇸

[vague token]

xD

also niizuki class are basically sandy destroyers

they have like the aa stat boost

when stuff dies in their ring xD

[mental sierra]

are niizuki classes still bugged to have a trillion reload?

[zenith tundra]

those are the dd that if they equip way too fast gun torp don't reload?

[mental sierra]

yeah

[vague token]

wait wut

[mental sierra]

Niizuki class reloads are bugged for some reason that they fire faster than laffey

[vague token]

oh, is that a bug because of MGM+1? xD

[mental sierra]

and if you equip too quick a gun, their torps don't reload because the reload equation gets totally fucked

[vague token]

lol

they only have like 183 at 100

[zenith tundra]

wasn't that a problem those ships had irl too?

[mental sierra]

No idea but hilarious if true

[vague token]

oh wow i just got nich

the miracles today

[zenith tundra]

[vague token]

what do i even farm now

xD

time to nich/helena pvp now jk

[zenith tundra]

they just announced a collab... time for more useless ship so we can waste resources on them

[vague token]

what if they're sleeper op

i heard one of them is t10 destroyer gunner

w/e that means

[zenith tundra]

unless they mean pr ships in which case

[shy hazel]

new pr ships are announced

6

and obviously looking kizuna ai colllab

[vague token]

that's a lot of farming

[shy hazel]

lol

[zenith tundra]

if it's not pr then collabs 🚮

[shy hazel]

imagine all 12 pr ships comin to en at the same time

[vague token]

oh god

i dont play the game enough for that

[zenith tundra]

i think en is doomed to be 1yr behind forever

[shy hazel]

dontneed to rush

we alrdy fast enuf

features are more impt than events

[zenith tundra]

if only i got amagi in that 10 draw on jp server when ce was up.... maybe i could've ditch this server right about now

i'm pretty sure we'll be behind forever because of pr tbh

the chance we are getting new pr ships before 6 months from research release are pretty grim considering how much u need to farm bps

[vague token]

oh i can awaken ykk to 110 now

my cog chips reee

[leaden sequoia]

I can see them resolving the "EN forever behind" issue server-side

i.e. leave the client apps as they are now on CN/JP

but tweak drop rate server-side

this way players don't see actual difference in functionality/gameplay

but will speed up our overall progress

[zenith tundra]

they wanted en to catch up then we got slow down then they released new stuff putting en even more behind

the no rerun shit is absolute garbage tbh

pr taking forever for no reason tbh and we just rush events that aren't even full ships

just for all ships rn en is 1yr behind because of most likely isss not rerun version

[leaden sequoia]

I mean, people over CN/JP were complaining they had no new story mode content or game features for several months

devs had to please them in some way after this much time

[zenith tundra]

releasing w13 when en just gets w11 and new pr ships when en just gets pr is also a sign that we'll be behind

[vague token]

shoulda done pvp rework during that downtime kek

[shy hazel]

its not like not having jp kr ships will lessen our gameplay

[zenith tundra]

u don't have to wait 1yr for rerun to get said ships tho

[ionic magnet]

pls my cube supply is dry enough already

if they do rerun versions imagine the rage from casuals

getting 12 limited ships every event? big pass

[hot creek]

wonder how long til ink stained comes

i wanna let my gold regen naturally to softcap before 7-2 grinding

[ionic magnet]

should be next week

[zenith tundra]

next week?

[ionic magnet]

next next week at the latest

[mental sierra]

I'll have 300 cubes and 120k+ gold

I won't be dumb and not have the gold this time

[leaden jay]

So what's the reasoning behind as to why Yukikaze isn't used in any of the current meta PvP lineups?

[modest elbow]

in our meta? I use her tho with wasda

[hot creek]

she is used

[leaden jay]

Really? I've literally never seen her being used

[shy hazel]

u dont see her much yet

and shes much better in 120 meta where u use more bbs than cvs

[leaden jay]

How does Amakaga lineup compare w/ WASD

[shy hazel]

very good geared wasda is pain to beat but beatable

wasda will step on amakaga

[leaden jay]

cuz I've been running Amakaga and it wrecks WASD lineups without fail whenever I bump into it

[shy hazel]

defense vs offense perspective

[leaden jay]

guess their gear isn't that decent or something

[shy hazel]

try beating the wasda geared ppl in thus server

[cerulean estuary]

offense = +20 atk buffs and pray for RNG

[shy hazel]

if youre in avrora

wasda is still beatable

good stall though

[cerulean estuary]

if the devs will disable +20 atk buffs and retreat / restart in PVP

it would be more interesting

[odd schooner]

Wait we're on +10 phase now?

[zenith tundra]

already in the land of +1s...

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

sandbaggers dont shine this,season much

its rushers season

[tawdry gate]

what is wasda

[ionic magnet]

washington + south dakota + amagi

[tawdry gate]

Ah okies

It's a good combo still?

[ionic magnet]

best backline as of now in terms of winrate

so yea

[modern tree]

slow but reliable offense, probably the most effective defense

[ionic magnet]

only notable con is that its slow

[modern tree]

slow part is sort of what kills it

but it works

[coral wren]

its only slow cause foxes r around

[split socket]

is wasda really the comp with highest winrate though,: how many even have two pvp fleets maxed out that can test it 🤔

[modern tree]

It's slow cuz the only source of damage are RNG effects

[ionic magnet]

i mean no other comp can beat you on def

[tawdry gate]

what's the frontline looks like for wasda comp?

[coral wren]

hmm i guess thats rtue as well

[split socket]

amakaga still wrecks wasda on def? what are u smoking?

[trail hollow]

Im using wasda atm with hood

[ionic magnet]

amakaga on def kills anyone? i dont think so

[split socket]

amakaga on def is trash yea 😄

[ionic magnet]

thats what im talking about tho

[split socket]

alright then, gotta get clear about if its defense or offense lol

[ionic magnet]

on offense, attacker always wins
on defense, wasda is the only comp worth mentioning

[trail hollow]

✅

[tawdry gate]

Can I use ayanami jintsu as frontline?

[split socket]

yop

but depends on ur overall comp though

[tawdry gate]

with wasda?

[split socket]

generally backline is far more important than frontline

[tawdry gate]

So I can run whatever?

[split socket]

not really whatever, but if ur running wasda I'd go with something like what nobukun showed up there

[trail hollow]

Are you attacking or defending?

Are you attacking or defending?

[modern tree]

before lvl110 I ran 3IJN with wasd Amagi to make fights go faster, it's fun. Not sure how well it works after the levels got higher, but we also have Mogami and YKKZ so it might be better

[tawdry gate]

Ah okies

[trail hollow]

Internet sucks atm doublesending stuff aaaaaaa

[tawdry gate]

who's that on the mid front on nobukun ss?

[trail hollow]

Internet sucks atm doublesending stuff aaaaaaa

[split socket]

belfast

[trail hollow]

Internet sucks atm doublesending stuff aaaaaaa

[ionic magnet]

[trail hollow]

Rip net.. sorry bout that

[livid fractal]

[hot creek]

triple send

[modern tree]

pvp is so boring that internet issues are more exciting than discussing it

[shy hazel]

no one is moving

[modern tree]

this season sucks btw

[split socket]

every season since dst 2.0 has been sucking :p

[modern tree]

I am still dissapointed with barely anyone on Sandy having leveled shit. I am starting to level a third fleet and they can't get one going.

I would do that but after I leveled my HMS and Portland I really dont need anything more

pve is sort of a big joke

[hot creek]

i still haven't awakened any pve ships

[modern tree]

I am beating 11-4 with lvl 95 china wall

I only have yat sen yellow maxed

it doesnt matter

using hardest possible content to level ships feels wrong, but here I am

which makes seeing all the pvp fleets at like lvl 104 all the more frustrating

[hot creek]

if you find me, I can do various 110 fleets now

im interested how well wasdA with torp vg defends

right now i just have it set to standard amakaga walling VG though

https://puu.sh/DaP1l/16014eb07c.png ive this for defense

and this on offense https://puu.sh/DaP1y/8b0ebe99d5.png

and enough gears to not have to switch, feelsgoodman

though, having to use beaver or pearl on one or the other is kind of annoying

[ionic magnet]

im still missing like 40 akagi affection

[shy hazel]

imagine having three pearls

[ionic magnet]

my only motivation so i can finally call my fleet maxed

[modern tree]

I am still missing affection on Juneau, kill me

[hot creek]

rings too expensive for me feelsbadman

i only buy ringpack

[ionic magnet]

^

[coral wren]

[modern tree]

been a while since that showed up

[ionic magnet]

and im not sure who will stay as my main VGs

kinda holding back on oathing for now

[shy hazel]

nagato

[split socket]

how does sirius aurora sendai perform on amakaga?

[hot creek]

i did get a decent tax return though. maybe ill finally buy that $80 gem pack

[ionic magnet]

i tried that comp against a maxed wasda and it felt just the same with jint-aurora-jun

[hot creek]

i havent fought a maxed amakaga yet

or a maxed anything

#sandypls

[ionic magnet]

im using sirius-jintsuu-aurora right now but it feels just the same tbh

[split socket]

I see :<

[ionic magnet]

[split socket]

I've been busy lvling so many low lvl ships, and now subs as well

[ionic magnet]

it doesnt help that sendai flare keep missing cos nanoda is too fast

[split socket]

just got aurora a couple days ago and haven't even had time to start with her lol

[hot creek]

well, actualy I i think i saw a 110 Enty/Hood/Lusty + Aya/Laffey/Atago or something like that earlier

you know, r1000 meta stuff

[split socket]

lmao

[ionic magnet]

[modern tree]

I found one maxed fleet but it was amakaga with no srs or sendai and it kept dying to my hms with Warspite so I let it go

guy was commander lvl 108 or something, scary stuff

[split socket]

I fought ur fleet once :x

but I was using maxed amakaga - belfast, lvl 30 agano, jintsuu (rest was maxed)

at first it looked like I was going to completely overkill ur def fleet but then my vg got wrecked hard and I ended up winning with amagi being last one alive with ~30-50% hp

[modern tree]

I imagine on defense Hood can't even sink a fox properly, which leads to like 80% lose rate because frontline breaks too soon based on defender disadvantage

[split socket]

they did surprisngly well tbh, I'd like to try again if I find u on my list but with proper vg

[modern tree]

I am trying Warspite right now because I love her she ends up doing damage comparable to DoY, but makes fox snipe more reliable if she hits

I can put up either tho, wonders of 6 +10 SG radars

DoY probably does better on defense because RNG hitting the backline with first shot is generally an auto win

[hot creek]

faced a maxed HMS backline last season that got me down to two backline ships left with low HP

don't think they were using sheffield though

used leander

but yeah doy hits real hard

[modern tree]

Sheff is really damn good and I wish I could cut Belfast for Ykkz but defender disadvantage makes it straight dumb

but maybe Ykkz being the only ship alive after first strike is not even that bad

[knotty parcel]

with nagato incoming

if i run amagi nagato who do i use as my 3rd ijn backline ?

[modern tree]

Hiryuu, Hyuuga, Skk, use 2ijn fronts and anything you want

[hot creek]

so oathed backlines get something like ~400 HP on average with max affection, does that also double from pvp HP modifier?

[split socket]

that doubles yes

they are effectively gaining extra base stats through affection

[trail elm]

hyuuga seems nice

[hot creek]

kinda regretting some skins I bought when I couldve bought rings

[split socket]

[trail elm]

anybody have experience with 76mm blue gun's performance mated with Ausburne's 31-knot burke?

[hot creek]

probably not, but it does seem meme-worthy

[modern tree]

I'd run that with Portland Mogami or something

[trail elm]

i may have bad luck with smokescreen rng and i'm looking for other options even if they seem inferior as long as i can do somewhat close to perma-uptime or something

[ionic magnet]

i wonder how viable columbia is

tho i still dont have her

but she seems worth to try

[knotty parcel]

Hyuuga is a very good idea

cause we don't have hiryuu

but is she really the best

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu is still good w/o kai

but dont know abt being the best

[modern tree]

If you visit your dock and filter to only weeb ships, you will quickly find that only non sister ships that are worth anything are Baga and Hyuuga. If you want ALL non sister ships ther's also Ise and Kirishima. If you include sister ships, notable are Hiryuu and Shokaku. Thats it

so if you want IJN backliner your choice is really between go mad on guns, coinflip barrage, 15 second invuln, or 12 second god buff

and Hyuuga poses an interesting choice to either run her retrofited or not

I am leaning towerds kai just because sick burns

[hot creek]

she loses secondary guns on refit

?

[trail elm]

yes

[hot creek]

unfortunate

[modern tree]

planes will still pressure the backline a little bit and 175% main gun efficency is gonna set fires that hurt like a bitch

[hot creek]

meanwhile, in KC they just gave her an extra equipment slot on refit

[trail elm]

on second thought, i'm keeping the Smokescreen over 31-knot Burke, at least against akaga airstrikes.

anybody crafting crazy wonky anti-Namagi strats?

like 31-knot burke to spoil bb shots or something

[hot creek]

there is no stopping nagaloli, especially with how they keep delaying PR. accept your IJN bias overlords

[modern tree]

seaplane has like 120 health and it's basically a fighter

they are garbo for pvp

[trail elm]

i won't 😦

[modern tree]

You can just use boilers if you are so scared of shelling

[trail elm]

victory belongs to those who believe in it the longest, believe in it the most

[shy hazel]

pvp will be a bigger coinflip again

[modern tree]

no need to gimp your fleet for it

[shy hazel]

nagato 40$ barrage

[modern tree]

OPPORTUNITY COST

[shy hazel]

%

first one to trigger wins

[trail elm]

yeah, boilers. but why not moar speed

[modern tree]

because boilers + ykkz in the fleet is basically the maximum speed you will ever want to be at, probably. Getting more costs too much in terms of your VG effectiveness

OPPORTUNITY COST

[trail elm]

got it

[hot creek]

do you guys put your ufos on backline

[trail elm]

?

[hot creek]

113mm AA gun

long range one

[shy hazel]

i just run mixed one

doesnt matter to be if front or back

they get mixed anyways

though some ppl say

ufo better at vg

[trail elm]

oh. some people call it roomba and i just followed calling it that

[hot creek]

well, after the VG is dead

still the same?

[elder crane]

Not a particularly big diff where you run the AA, biggest diff is in what mix you use

113 is best for a main fleet only situation, yes

Not by much though

[trail elm]

i haven't been gifted a lot of gold roomba. the german gold twin aa though, i have plenty

and gold bofors

[elder crane]

Biggest difference %-wise in where you run AA isn't considering reload, it's considering AA damage
(Assuming you run a mix of Bofors and 113)
So place 113 on higher AA damage ships, bofors on lower, is my suggestion, aside from the main fleet/vanguard split

[modern tree]

I run one ufo on Juneau and one on Hood, then all bofors, get nice range and 2 shots, everything you'd want out of your pvp AA setup probably

[hot creek]

right now I just put 113 on all my VG and bofors for backline, idk how effective it is, I guess ill just have to start paying attention to how many shots they get

[split socket]

it's better to optimize for AA damage rather than reload since it's highly unlikely the small difference will result in an extra aa shot

[elder crane]

Based on what the calcs show, you won't notice much if any difference where you place each AA as long as the ratio is still the same

It's <5% difference in dmg between worst and best dmg setup, <2% diff in reload time between worst and best reload time setup iirc

Those differences are much smaller than dmg RNG and movement RNG, respectively

Maybe you'll notice a bit of diff in 113 or bofors on main once VG is dead, though idk how much AA damage really does at that point anymore, 113 covers more area and is more likely to get off 1 shot on everyone if a bunch of staggered planes come in
Just cause one diff is more noticeable doesn't mean that it's statistically better though - but to be able to statistically see the effects of such a small diff would probably take literally take at least hundreds of matches

Tldr: optimize what ratio of Bofors to 113 you use, and place the guns in a way that feels good to you

[modern tree]

new PR ships in case you guys missed them https://imgur.com/a/EyPWm1e

I hope french BB is just as broken as every other french SRR

[split socket]

I'm curious to what class Azuma will be

[elder crane]

CA like Dland class probably

[split socket]

the classification roughly translates to super armored cruiser

but CA wouldn't be written with 超甲巡

[modern tree]

announcement is 1 DD 2 Cruisers and 3 BBs and considering it's rather obvious USS ones are cruisers and if you cant find a DD you are blind, then everything else is a BB

[elder crane]

It's role would end up being mainly like a cruiser, based on what happened with Alaska class

[knotty parcel]

new class @split socket

[odd schooner]

If we follow the game then it's CA

[split socket]

I'm guessing that as well

[modern tree]

unless Georgia is a BB since the class, who knows

[split socket]

shes definitely a cruiser anyway, except its not light / heavy

[elder crane]

I doubt they'll add a new designation for azuma

[knotty parcel]

why not ?

They did with yamashiro / fusou kai

There are some new icons that were found in the files of the games

[elder crane]

I don't see azuma gameplay wise being much diff from a CA, no more than 283 Dland

[split socket]

u could argue the same about BB & BC

[elder crane]

No need to carve up designations that much, it messes with commissions and stuff too

Though I suppose my main reason is if they didn't special categorize Dland I don't see why they'd do that with azuma

[subtle whale]

hope that teaser is for pr ship

[trail elm]

georgia is BB, right?

https://imgur.com/a/BMxuige

[split socket]

yep

Gascogne - Battleship
Seattle - Light Cruiser
Georgia - Battleship
Azuma - Some type of cruiser
Kitakaze - Destroyer
Friedrich der Grosse - Battleship

[clear cloud]

its 大巡
literal translation large cruiser

[silver root]

what aux do yall usually put on backline bb's

double sg radar?

[ionic magnet]

either double sg or 1 sg 1 hsfcr

sometimes beaver is mixed too

[blazing scroll]

I got a beaver on my SD

[silver root]

nagato confirmed guys

https://tenor.com/view/its-happening-gif-11730504

[coral wren]

Isnt Beaver better on washy?

so washy dosnt die before sodak?

U want washy alive to proc sodak

[modest elbow]

I guess so... I put mine on amagi though

Since washy and sodak both have double gold sgs anyway

[haughty latch]

Yeah i just saw that about nagato good thing I've been investing into my ijn

[blazing scroll]

But washy isn't in the middle tho

My washington survives longer than SD so it works fine

[leaden jay]

Twin 113mm AA or Bofers?

[zenith tundra]

u want a bunch of bofors and 1-2 113. i never did it myself but u would need to calculate and see if u can shoot twice against akaga planes.

if u don't shoot twice u want more bofors

[buoyant parrot]

For whatever reason my alarm didn't trigger. I miss 3 matches. I'm dropping this season now

[vague token]

rip

i mean honestly this season is a pass for the most part cause of shenanigans anyways

[elder crane]

As long as the range does not yet extend behind your main fleet, 113>bofors for getting 2 shots off.

That means you want to run about a 50:50 mix of the two, erring on the side of more bofors

105 is worse than the average of 113 and bofors, and so is mostly useless unless you don't have enough of those, treat it as 0.5 of each. 105/bofors mix though is still better than pure Bofors at getting 2 shots off (again not having wasted range ofc)

For who to run what on, there are competing values:

Main wants 113, since if vanguard dies, AA moves over to where they are, and 113 is best in that scenario

High AA damage ships want 113 for that ~8% more AA gun damage

Low reload ships want bofors, 113 on high rld and bofors on low gives a few % less reload time than random distribution

[solid phoenix]

Hey, do you guys have a particular preference between the 4 viable fighters?