pvp

[hot creek]

is it bad i want to rename my Sirius to Milk Maid

[hybrid tendon]

nothing could be done about that really
there would always be that kind of people on the internet

¯_(ツ)_/¯

you are paying 600 for it

so

[shy hazel]

why not

[hybrid tendon]

do what ever you like

[shy hazel]

just name her British Cow

[hybrid tendon]

[shy hazel]

thats better

[ionic magnet]

i need to wait 18 more days to rename my foxes

[livid fractal]

@shy hazel did you miss your attempts? I didn't saw you in the leaderboard yesterday

[shy hazel]

i should name my avrora palpatine

[livid fractal]

[shy hazel]

i missed alrdy

slept on 3

[livid fractal]

[shy hazel]

so im not aiming for season top ten

gensui should be np

but still sadlife

i was grinding the event

forgot pvp

[ionic magnet]

[livid fractal]

I was forced to get +9 twice, out of refresh

But sleep was worth

[shy hazel]

im kinda tilted this season anways

[hybrid tendon]

getting +9 outta refresh?

[shy hazel]

im not used to slow seasons

[hybrid tendon]

[hybrid tendon]

how

[shy hazel]

this season feels so slow

[hybrid tendon]

oooh nice

are you in avrora

[shy hazel]

too much ppl lose charges due to event too

[hot creek]

I predict I will get #1 on Sandy uncontested and by a large margin.

[livid fractal]

Yeah I am

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

6/10 rank 13

[shy hazel]

didnt u drop to 2 last season

[hybrid tendon]

now thats some sandbagging

[livid fractal]

Yeah people tend to forget to attack after maintenance

[hot creek]

yeah last season I lost by 1 point

[ionic magnet]

sandy has fewest players confirmed look at the wall of shame

[shy hazel]

wont bother sandbagging this time

[hybrid tendon]

it default into washington server

[shy hazel]

just gon gensui then holler

gotta grind event

[hybrid tendon]

when you download AL

[hot creek]

but I don't see any of the usual contenders near my score this time around, so its gonna be a curb stomp

[hybrid tendon]

literally no point doing anything outside gensui

[shy hazel]

bye cool kids

im joining the cooler kids club in jp

gonna borrow some jp account and steal it

[coral wren]

JP is down

[hybrid tendon]

[coral wren]

wait what its up

cool

NAGATO HERE I COME!!!

holy shit i got here in 20 cubes

[shy hazel]

you jest

no

[hybrid tendon]

best pvp units in CN are amagi, hiryuukai, wskai atm

maybe only the last two, amagi is just a little bit lower

[coral wren]

I want jp to have an alternative interface with en translations 😦

[shy hazel]

just memorize the en interface and play jp

or learn proper japanese like me

i13 new jp ship huh

lets see if i can pull

[leaden sequoia]

or learn programming and make yourself ALViewer that is kinda like KCViewer

[vale juniper]

I've been read game-news..

So Sandy server clean of cheaters..??

Proud of us in Sandy server

[shy hazel]

sandy is just too empty

compared to avrora

[leaden sequoia]

TIL Wash is more populated than Avrora

[vale juniper]

Sandy is a good girl

[coral wren]

she's too dumb to cheat

[shy hazel]

[vale juniper]

Because she's Honest Girl

[shy hazel]

well to be fair

en has so less players compared to the other tw servers

what is kr

[vale juniper]

KR server is more quite

I'd ever play HI3 Korean server.. That was really quite :"3

Idk what popular game in KR

[coral wren]

LoL

Isn't everything in korea censored as fuck?

[vale juniper]

@coral wren Same as CN server.. Full of censored

[coral wren]

iirc albacore is just a black shape there

[vale juniper]

You can't touch 'Secret' area

[shy hazel]

when u make albacore lewder

make her a weird shaped dildo

[coral wren]

I wonder what would happen if you type 1989 Tiananmen in chat on cn

[shy hazel]

you wont even be able to type tian something

[hybrid tendon]

nothing happened btw

in 1989 at that location

[marble sparrow]

So.. Approx wat time maintenance finish 🤔

I forgot how long it is

[shy hazel]

8 hours so

about 5 hours 20mins more

[jovial sedge]

Wait what some people cheated on sandy?... ehm now that I read it.... but anyway how can u cheat in al lel

[livid fractal]

Ex mode is just cheater bait

[coral wren]

the only thing they seem to not know is how easy this shit is to track.

[shy hazel]

the battles are client side

sooo

[coral wren]

I'm glad so many Washington cheats got banned, was starting to feel like I wanted to stop playing because of them

[vale juniper]

A lot of Honest n Good People play on Sandy server

[jovial sedge]

I play on sandy..

[coral wren]

Washington needs to learn ig

[vale juniper]

@jovial sedge You're a Honest n Good People then 👌

@coral wren Yeah

[odd schooner]

I wonder if they're going to consume full maintenance time

[vale juniper]

Sad

[ionic magnet]

that would be 11pm for me

well i used all my pvp rounds so izfine

[odd schooner]

Same time lol

But eh

[vale juniper]

Me 10pm :"3

[analog hare]

SEA

[odd schooner]

Where's the jp person again

I want to confirm something lmao

[shy hazel]

jp person?

[elder crane]

Yo why is the patch so huge

[hybrid tendon]

Players like it big

[elder crane]

Ehh, I suppose it's quite a few mechanics changes

[hybrid tendon]

[elder crane]

Predownload ready fyi all

[coral wren]

91mb? It's not huge, I like huge

[elder crane]

Idk, with no new event, and minimal content, I suppose I expected it to be small

[coral wren]

Same tbh

110 ios

Gae

XD

Jk jk

[shy hazel]

the bigger the better

[elder crane]

Still no announcement, inb4 the predownload was a mistake and those of us who got it have to reinstall

[shy hazel]

blue pls

no jinx

[leaden sequoia]

inb4 pr sneak patch

[livid fractal]

I like downloading on AL, it makes my internet look faster

[shy hazel]

im curious

if my en twitter will be f'ed up

if i link my jp account to it

[leaden sequoia]

shouldn't be as JP and EN manage different databases

so whether you get blocked on one server shouldn't affect the other one

that said, I would still create a new twitter just for AL for safety

it's easy to do so anyway

[zenith tundra]

what did they do? i was just building so didnt see anything they fucked up

[elder crane]

I think server broke

[finite valve]

yeh server broke

ppl got kick out

[elder crane]

No news anywhere of major bugs

[finite valve]

like a lots lel

[zenith tundra]

oh cool

[finite valve]

go read #bug-reports

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

time to get a refound on all the money i spent on al and quit

[finite valve]

should have just use the full 8h maint LMFAO

the moment they use less time for a maint by 2h you know there going to be fuck up

[shy hazel]

30 rolls no monty denver

guess ill take my time

[elder crane]

Monty is pretty high %, but Denver is almost certainly sub 0.5% and likely sub 0.3%

[zenith tundra]

i got kamimaze instead which i was missing

i got 3 sandys as always

[finite valve]

was my intention to daily for monti from the start

[shy hazel]

well denver will be aurora tier

which maybe zulul

harder than event builds

[ionic magnet]

i got aurora just now

[shy hazel]

i got a fourth one too

instamedallize

[finite valve]

and #bug-reports got lock down

LMFAO

ppl can't read

[shy hazel]

i guess ill just do this

too bad my new jp accnt ddnt get ngto

yet

[ionic magnet]

i cant find the beginners rewards earlier

did you guys get it

[shy hazel]

you click the red bnner

upper left

i forgot to check though

lol

[ionic magnet]

yea i didnt see one

then server poofed

lol

[finite valve]

not like the reward is anything amazing

last reward for advance is a SR ship

[ionic magnet]

its a lot of oils and coins

[shy hazel]

im down to 250 cubes

[leaden sequoia]

I think those that completed the easy tasks already didn't get them this patch (when they should)

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

just gonna report later then

[finite valve]

maybe i should go back to sleep to wait for this maint?

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, better for your nerves, really

[zenith tundra]

im done with monty already it was my last 10 build and server died

now i dont even know if i got her

[finite valve]

tfw you log back in and no monty in sight

rage quit?

[shy hazel]

shes perma anyways

no harm done

[zenith tundra]

omg i got denver in that build

freaking luck

now the missions are bugged

lol

[finite valve]

well that's what you get for finishing maint 2h ahead of schedule

[zenith tundra]

and done with light build now got monty too

[mental grove]

hm. Aurora is used in pvp right? Why?

Also, is hood now useless? There’s amagi and DoY now.

[blazing scroll]

Aurora debuffs DD and CL eva by 20%

Which is pretty stronk

[mental grove]

Dang.

That’s like the big majority of ships that would be used. Heavies don’t have eva.

[blazing scroll]

Exactly

[charred sable]

Narrow victory against alvl 110 Amagi/Washington/South Dakota team.... And no bonus points to show for it

[mental grove]

Also, what about aya? Her ability can be tricky and because it’s on auto it might not be used with torpedoes. Why is she so popular?

[finite valve]

ayaya is popular because ppl like to have big fleet number

[mental grove]

Huh

[blazing scroll]

Just yolo torps honestly

And flex

[finite valve]

her effectiveness is subpar compare to other CL

[mental grove]

Makes sense I guess.

[blazing scroll]

I rather use my ykk

[vale juniper]

Her Power is the highest for VG

Aya aya

[leaden sequoia]

Aya is usable in PvP only because you can reset with no repercussions

if reset did cost something ppl would consider less rng units instead

[shy hazel]

wow this bicc lucky

how much u build zack

[zenith tundra]

i used around 63 cubes

its 56 + daily and weekly rewards

now i have no money for sara kai tho

[finite valve]

nya

[zenith tundra]

i love this sara event with mental units exchange

that exchange shop is also much better then vdir one lol

[leaden sequoia]

makes the VDiR shop look worse for newcomers to VDiR in comparison

[finite valve]

it was the first event ever run

so understandable

since rerun is just add new ship + mile stone shop

[coral wren]

can anyone give me recommended equipment for akagi and kaga?

[shy hazel]

gold cuda helldiver

reppu and vf17

gold steam and oil tank

[leaden sequoia]

is ryuusei too situational for Akaga?

[gritty cove]

This is basically the pvp

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

arigathanks

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

[leaden sequoia]

I've seen some ppl saying they benefit more from Ryuusei aimed torps than cuda kamikaze

[shy hazel]

dont give her weird ideas for now

[finite valve]

ryuusei because you want the aim torp for 2 round of air strike

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

could work for AA heavy comp like wasd

[leaden sequoia]

umu

[finite valve]

maint at 8 AM PST

quick what time zone is that for NA

[gritty cove]

How's the flood and burn dmg on Sara? Worthwhile to try?

[zenith tundra]

sara kai is slow for pvp

[leaden sequoia]

err, PST is already for NA, just west coast...?

[finite valve]

maint in 14 min

REEEE

[leaden sequoia]

oh holy moly

[ionic magnet]

apologems

[shy hazel]

mightvas well do,pvp

[finite valve]

all these fuck up cus devs decided to end maint early

LMFAO

[ionic magnet]

even if they ended it on time there will still be bugs

[zenith tundra]

no one doing pvp in my list cool

[finite valve]

"less bugs"

[shy hazel]

[leaden sequoia]

apologems tho

[zenith tundra]

who cares about gems nit like u can buy anything with 50

i want oil compensations

[gritty cove]

50 gems for daily oil

[zenith tundra]

im not spending gems on oil

[gritty cove]

Wuss

[ionic magnet]

apologems when im about to sleep anyway? i'll take it

[finite valve]

pray i can kill trump in the next 5 min

fucking wall lel

and done

i am ready for maint

lel

[zenith tundra]

i want to play not wait 30mins

[finite valve]

well since maint ended ahead of schedule 30 min is a fine compromise lel

[livid fractal]

I was sending my commissions when suddenly I got log off, I hope the 4th one made it

[zenith tundra]

i was doing daily so rip oil

[sharp obsidian]

I suppose my PvP Season is ruined lol

Need to sleep and have 9 attacks left then this super long maint 😦

[blazing scroll]

🇫

[split socket]

imagine if maintenance stretches over reset

[sharp obsidian]

Well, till next season then mates 😂

It is so close to Gensui rush too lol

oof

[livid fractal]

3 hours actually

Just take a nap

Then suddenly goes to sleep mode

[split socket]

wakes up 1 year later

[sharp obsidian]

[elder crane]

Nap = 50% to wake up 10H later regretting everything

[sharp obsidian]

yeah...

[leaden sequoia]

just nap in 3 hour intervals

[zenith tundra]

dont sleep is easier

[hot creek]

I just woke up three hours earlier than my usual time for this

[zenith tundra]

im sitting at work doing nothing because of this

[split socket]

AL ruining life

[zenith tundra]

i downloaded a patch but servers still down somehow

[hot creek]

think ima do my pvps in case they take server down again

ah fuck , i dont think i can without eating +9s

[leaden sequoia]

I don't remember they've ever (intentionally) taken down servers more than twice per day 🤔

but eh

better safe than sorry

[coral wren]

Is it worht using a 380 on washy

To get armor broken

[hot creek]

only one way to find out

[vague token]

so uh

they redid skill names and descriptions

sadly, interference is still vague on numbers

xD

and dork's first gun skill says during battle, first round of Main Gun

which is like, is that just the first bullet

or what

lol

[leaden sequoia]

I got used to thinking that round = volley aka the whole first n shells x 3 salvos after her first cooldown

[odd schooner]

Wonder if the AP round can kill off the said ship on next set of shots

[vague token]

oh yeah i could try ap on dork

for kicks

i dont have an ap gun ready though

=/

and all my main gun plates are poof

[hot creek]

I think some skills might be not working properly

my aya/jintsuu are doing a lot less damage to the torpedo tactical research boss than usual

[odd schooner]

It's so hard to tell

Lmao

The ap shells

They work on pvp too?

[vague token]

the damage boost should work in pvp

not that the notes say the activation rate nor the damage boost

xD

but i do like how skills mention their scaling stat

nice and clearly

like the gun skill on sara specifically states it scales with Avi

so that's good

good job yostar you made things clearer in game

[odd schooner]

Still can't proc it rip

[vague token]

does it have an icon when it triggers?

[odd schooner]

Oh ok now i know why it doesn't trigger lol

Amakaga is medium armor

It is mentioned and even underlined that it only takes effect when facing heavy armor

Oh good my fb fren is on the list

Time to test it on him

[vague token]

oh yeah, it's only relevant against wasd/a atm

or the odd hms

i only see an hms like 1/20 attacks though

xD

is there a good ap gun equivalent to the 406?

[odd schooner]

Ok i got the debuff on him LOL

[vague token]

oh, there's an AP 406

but it's only twin

=/

[odd schooner]

Broken shield

I think i saw a 2k shell dmg afterwards from my HE shell

[vague token]

fancy

wait that's a lotta damage lol

[odd schooner]

Also, it only lasted for a few seconds LMAO

Check time and sodak

Not really, it only applies to heavy armor ships

Med armor doesn't work at all

Sasuga mechanics

[vague token]

wait it doesnt last forever?

i thought it lasted until end of battle

[odd schooner]

It disappeared

[vague token]

=(

[odd schooner]

Let me test it again

Ok believe it or not

It only lasts 5s

[vague token]

that

is the dumbest thing ive ever heard

=(

even the damage boost ships last like 8 seconds

_>

pve bois

[odd schooner]

With the shield shattering animation it's 6

The damage done i can hardly tell rn cause proccing it is already hard

[modern tree]

if its just 8% with 20% chance to proc then this has to be the shittiest "buff" in the entire universe

can hardly think of a change more inconsequential

[vague token]

it's literally only good in pve

where you full manual all your guns

in sequence

lol

[finite valve]

even then w12 is a no BB zone anyway

you need CV for the damn AA not BB lel

[vague token]

dont carriers count as heavy armor in pve

[finite valve]

well the problem is not the armor but the damn planes in w12+

[vague token]

oh right

[finite valve]

you need CV planes to deal with them

not AP gun

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

with the stealth air control add we just got

i say we going to get w12 pretty soon

[odd schooner]

They could have doubled the timer for 406 to hit and add med armour too

Lmao

[modern tree]

It would only ever be useful for a boss when you just slam all your guns in a sequence cuz you dont care

"useful"

more like "see any impact at all"

[vague token]

i mean they could have done a lot of things

xD

[finite valve]

maybe w14 is going to be BB hell?

dk but could be since they add this "useful" mechanic and all

[hazy rain]

ready to train my Mogami

[vague token]

lol

[finite valve]

tfw you are desperate for exp that you would carry them in pvp

[finite valve]

i stand corrected

lel

[hazy rain]

it works

[vague token]

i mean it's not surprising she can get carried by that team

[odd schooner]

Ye i carried ykkz ever since she was lvl 1 on pvp

[vague token]

gotta say, sara kai is surprisingly bulky

she's only 103 atm but i think at 110 she'll be ok mid

[modern tree]

I am pretty sure there is nothing surprising with her heavy armour, high base stats and kai boost

the price to pay is listening to her line roughly once every 6 seconds

[vague token]

sara is medium but yeah agree on rest

xD

eagle union has no armored carriers

[modern tree]

oh shit, she is, I dont even remember why I thought shes heavy

[vague token]

yeah, eagle union wont have armored flight decks until midway class

we're only on essex

so

basically heavy wont exist

for a while

[hot creek]

fuck

lost a match cause i took a tie lmao

[odd schooner]

Man, you could clearly see the top 20 end season on the ranks now

And famine is 5 points higher than kamita

[lament lichen]

Kamita got no bonuses the last rest

Reset*

Yeah

[livid fractal]

Yeah, I remember him being +8 ahead of me, now +11

[lament lichen]

Only 6 behind him

[coral wren]

is 1800 points the last rank before aotn?

nevermind the sheet i wanted is in pins

[grave gale]

Do you still use the 100mm on Sirius in pvp? Because normally not using HE there yields terrible results.

[modern tree]

I wouldnt but I could see argument for it, since she is just there to boost CVs and tank. Majority of Srs damage also comes from the barrage so 100 not only gives you a lil more AA to tank, but also helps you put those barrages out there

so the Tirpitz gun hits for 1200 on md armour when used by Hood, crits for 1800. I have not lost because of it and purple numbers look pretty so I guess I am stuck with it now

[vague token]

which one is the tirpitz gun? xD

[ionic magnet]

i think 410mm hits for 900 and crits for 1400 iirc then add 500 per tick burn dmg

isnt 410 still better?

[modern tree]

it's not purple

[vague token]

it's not the 380 gold right?

[ionic magnet]

its 380 gold i believe

its the only noteworthy ap bb gun

[vague token]

oh

i dont like it cause it has hood gun damage

=/

130 or w/e

but the 406 ap only gets 2 shots

i think the good ap gold bb gun is research

yeah triple 410mm prototype

le sigh

[ionic magnet]

not sure im not really updated on jp things

[vague token]

oh i just checked the wiki

and sorted by heavy damage per second

xD

[ionic magnet]

but yea we need a better ap gun for sure before i even consider using one

[vague token]

i guess the 380 is ok on hood

since it beefs up her FP

but if i want an ap gun on dork

it has to not gimp my base damage

while still being gold for her own barrage

i guess ill try the 406 ap for a bit

not like im losing FP since im using the he one

[ionic magnet]

with how BB aiming works in pvp, which is completely random, any benefit you get from ap modifiers on med/heavy armors gets negated by modifiers on light armors and then you add fire burn dmg

[vague token]

well you seeee

im trying sara

my burns are already accounted for

;)

[ionic magnet]

oof sara

the madman

[vague token]

not that i know how it aims them

hey now

she has a lot of hp

and AA

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

like 310 aa after retro

at 100

she may be smol, but she buff

[ionic magnet]

yea idk i just remember when i asked if shes viable everyone said p much no

[vague token]

no you see

viable =/= optimal

seeeee

[ionic magnet]

true

[vague token]

im clearly a genius

triple gold planes

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[vague token]

and double cata

see

so her burn and flood ticks

are as high as possible

and it boosts her gun damage

[ionic magnet]

how much does those flood ticks go for btw

[vague token]

uh

lemme do the numbers

skill level is low so i dont see it activate that much

ok im not sure what the weapon base damage and coefficient are

since it's a skill

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

lemme do the other parts

[leaden sequoia]

lemme dig those numbers in a few minutes

[vague token]

just from assuming 100 as the skill power and a 1.0 efficiency on the skill, it'll tick somewhere between 180 and 200

is my guess

but hell if i know, hers isnt applied by weapons xD

[leaden sequoia]

what skill level on her retro skill now?

[vague token]

oh i meant like at 10

mine's like 2 or 3 just started lol

[leaden sequoia]

let's see

lvl 1 torps 76, bombers 78

lvl 2 torps 90, bombers 91

lvl 3 torps 104, bombers 103

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

lol

[leaden sequoia]

lvl 10 torps 202, bombers 193

[vague token]

so she uses torp bombers in the skill?

or dive bombers ?_?

[leaden sequoia]

I'm not sure

[vague token]

cause flood uses efficiency

[leaden sequoia]

the skill name is in chinese

萨拉托加技能轰炸机

[vague token]

according to this combat

oh

rip

[leaden sequoia]

google translates this as "Saratoga Skill Bomber"

[vague token]

well i can spitball more accurately at least

[leaden sequoia]

but which bomber

[vague token]

i mean

there's no way she's using her fighter slot

right?

she has 1.25 fighter and 1.4 for dive

[ionic magnet]

lets just wait til we can max her i guess?

[vague token]

ok, so assuming a 1.0 efficiency because easier

[leaden sequoia]

I think the skill would mention fighters in that case

so dive bomber is a reasonable assumption

[vague token]

ok hold on then

math time

ill assume it's the bomber value

and the torp one is for u41 flood

so plug in numbers

ok, i get 461 per tick

using a 193

and 1.4 for dive bomber

triple gold planes

and double cata

for max aviation

although it probably wouldnt go down THAT much with cata

but sara is a meme so im all in

id lose 15 flood damage per tick with tank

the harder part is finding good gold dive bombers that dont destroy your bomb damage

xD

im also only level 103

so it'll go up by 110

oh but amagi does nerf aviation

lemme add that in

410 or so

not bad

[ionic magnet]

hmm so on par with burn dmg

pretty good

[leaden sequoia]

that requires memeing her up with gold dive bombers, unfortunately

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

i mean

if i go to heccdiver it wont be too bad

[leaden sequoia]

haven't done math but I guess it'll be around 380-390 with heccdivers?

[vague token]

yeah

something like that

the harder part is plane speed

since dives are slow

[leaden sequoia]

since her airpower is so high, a 40 airpower drop is less noticeable

[vague token]

and you want ticks to go up asap

so they have time to work

[leaden sequoia]

does she launch equipped planes or her own?

[vague token]

the skill is its own

like ark royal

[leaden sequoia]

yeah

[vague token]

doesnt say what type sadly

=/

but it does also burn at the same time

so that's nice

[leaden sequoia]

ah, so you meant the actual launch for her to deliver her skill in the first place

[vague token]

oh yeah

cause it's synced to her launch

i just noticed there are a ton of cog chips

in the event shop

expensive though

[leaden sequoia]

not really, if you do missions that reward hundreds of Janguu at once

[vague token]

ive been away xD

but i gotta farm d2 some more and pray i get a gold bp

[leaden sequoia]

heh

[vague token]

i had 14/15 gold belgun from 6-2 hard mode

but this is lower than that

lol

reeee

[leaden sequoia]

I think I farmed 20/15 belgun in CE C2

[vague token]

oof

[leaden sequoia]

not really aimed for it, just because C2 was good for gold

and farming event points

[vague token]

fair

[leaden sequoia]

cuz 4 mobs before boss

[vague token]

yeah

[leaden sequoia]

later maps all 5 mobs

well, I just got 2 comets on D3 again

[vague token]

oof

[vale juniper]

When you want a Cintiq Pro HD but it's Expensive

[vague token]

whoa +2

[shy hazel]

niw

now i have lots of chips

but no one to 110 really

[zenith tundra]

i still 1200 for my hms how do u have so many

[leaden sequoia]

500 chips from Saratoga event for 1500 Janguus

[zenith tundra]

400 for sirius too

i cleared that already

[vague token]

i just fought against someone with double aim torp amakaga

and china trio frontline

[zenith tundra]

i have 8 ships already awakened to 110

[vague token]

what is this meme

[leaden sequoia]

then I guess Stella doesn't want to awaken anyone anymore

[zenith tundra]

and another 5 awakened to 105

[leaden sequoia]

wskai vs chinameme

[zenith tundra]

ws kai doesn't bother with vg tho

[leaden sequoia]

I thought that's only her barrage that doesn't bother

her main gun is still a main gun like on other BB

which fires at vg first

[zenith tundra]

her mg should still go on barrage target if it doesn't die

i also don't see why ws kai is any worse then other bbs since her hit is so high

[leaden sequoia]

I suppose she's being evaluated and compared to other gold BB with her skill which is bad in pve

Without taking skills into account, she's a great gold BB

[vale juniper]

@vague token +2..??

[zenith tundra]

pvp is ws heaven main fleets don't move and she can land her barrage easily. also u have to kill all enemy backlines before it's forced to vgs

[leaden sequoia]

ah yeah, nothing against ws kai in pvp, of course

even more so after that JP pvp meta report in Reddit

[vague token]

@vale juniper yeah i had a rusher or something, got +2 points

they probably did 10 in a row xD

[vale juniper]

@vague token Oohh.. But I just got 10 points.. Not 11 even 12

[vague token]

i was away for a bit

is why xD

[vale juniper]

[sharp roost]

whats the best amkagi vanguard team?

[real notch]

sendai jintsuu aurora
sendai juneau aurora
jintsuu aurora juneau

[ionic magnet]

any combination of jintsuu aurora juneau sendai belfast ykkz should be fine but i love my jesus so i use jint aurora jun

[zenith tundra]

i like juneau yukikaze aurora/sendai

[vale juniper]

@sharp roost Juneau - Ayanami - Aurora

[sharp roost]

^dont have jintsuu and sendai , also trying siruis ayanami aurora

[real notch]

oh

sirius aurora sendai should be the best amakaga VG

or maybe with a juneau flex

they're all marginally close to each other

as long as you use EVA debuffing ships

it's good

[zenith tundra]

from experience i would say use juneau +ijn +evasion debuffer is the most solid choice especially if not max level

i don't see much difference in between auora/sendai solo and aurora+sendai for anything but belfast

[ionic magnet]

yea at this point any combination will dumpster mirrors. problem is when you're against wasda, i think you cant ditch juneau there

[vale juniper]

@sharp roost But Jintsuu n Sendai EZ af to killed

[zenith tundra]

i have 0 problems in mirror with my vg. even full 110 torp memes are pointless if u cannot deal dmg to my akamaga

[vale juniper]

If you using Jintsuu n Sendai in same VG Fleet, it's just suicide

Both of them EZ to killed

[ionic magnet]

jintsuu is a decent tank

[vale juniper]

N use The Best Gears

[ionic magnet]

aya is easier to kill

[vale juniper]

@ionic magnet Put her in center

Just use tactical strategy n the best gears

[ionic magnet]

that spot is for my aurora tho

[sharp roost]

aya 110 is my mvp for vanguard atm

[vale juniper]

I have 2 Oxy Torp n still unused

I think that Gears still useless for me

[ionic magnet]

aya is too rng-ish for my taste

[real notch]

my VG is aurora sendai jintsuu and they still lose sometimes due to RNG torps

lol

it's never 100% reliable

[zenith tundra]

i think yukikaze with 1 oxy can survive more then aya with 2 toolboxes/pearl

[vale juniper]

Oh I want explain this..

Whoever said BTD Gold is useless, you still dunno yet

That plane is focusing for killing Main Fleet first

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Dive_Bombers

the dps for btd is lower for btd then junkers and sb2c

on all types of armor

[grave gale]

I've toyed around with sirius, jintsuu and sendai. It's meh. Belfast is a big cockblock to it because you're relying entirely on aviation damage.

[vale juniper]

I'd ever used Stuka n SB2C..

Both of them can't kill the Main Fleet

[zenith tundra]

unless u consider 26 more suicide dmg better then actual dmg

[vale juniper]

Really hard to kill Main Fleet if using them

[real notch]

BTD does around 30% less dmg than SB2C

to mainfleet via bombs

the only thing BTD is better in is milliseconds in takeoff and like 26 touchdown

[vale juniper]

SB2C is only good for PvE

It's suck for PvP

[real notch]

that's not right

[zenith tundra]

why?

[real notch]

calcs for the bomb loadout has long been calculated and proven SB2C outdamages BTD

regardless of PVE or PVp

[vale juniper]

@zenith tundra Because 2x500 n 1x2000 is really useful for PvE

[real notch]

the only reason anyone would use BTD would be to increase their fleetpower

[zenith tundra]

i want to see the reason why it's worse. who know maybe he found something amazing about btd we don't know

in which way 2x1600 is better?

[vale juniper]

@zenith tundra Killing Main Fleet first in PvP

[real notch]

can you specify what you mean by killing main fleet?

[zenith tundra]

if u want to kill main fleet with cv u need to kill vg 1st

[real notch]

plane damage is split into 3 sections in PVP

1. Plane AA
2. Bomb Damage
3. touchdown dmg

[vale juniper]

Yeah when I use Stuka or SB2C, killing Main Fleet of enemy is really hard

[real notch]

which one are you talking about?

[vale juniper]

Although same +10

[zenith tundra]

is 26 touchdown dmg that op?

[vale juniper]

@zenith tundra But my Fleet can kill Main Fleet first

[ionic magnet]

yes found another good test fleet

neko where are your rings btw kek

[real notch]

i am open to your ideas but

you will need to be more specific

what part of BTD exactly does more dmg than SB2C?

[zenith tundra]

u kill main fleet 1st with btd because u don't deal dmg to vg and btd has higher suicide dmg

that's the only thing i can think of

[real notch]

i don't think he has the stats of the 2 planes

he just tested out ingame i think

for your reference, here are the 2 stats for the planes

[zenith tundra]

struggling against wasda without juneau

[real notch]

BTD bomb dmg = 858
SB2C bomb dmg = 1176

if you are willing to give up 318 bomb dmg PER plane

[zenith tundra]

if i had any plates i would it give it a try

[real notch]

for extremely tiny improvement in touchdown, takeoff, and aviation

it's just not worth it

[dull hollow]

Only gold plane u consider is suisei anyway

[real notch]

takeoff is 0.17sec faster

touchdown is 26 dmg more

[dull hollow]

For a meta that en will never experience

So RIP

Well taihou might get some air time

So suisei still alive

[zenith tundra]

are her barrages that strong to be worth losing dmg for faster proc?

[real notch]

probably not

[dull hollow]

Half yes

[real notch]

wait is taihou a better option in JP than hiryuu

[dull hollow]

The other half is adjusting your launch timer

Because taihou reload is pepega shaped

Suisei lets her launch before bb shelling

Which has a variety of useful traits

You don't really use solo cv as damage anyway

[zenith tundra]

that makes sense

[dull hollow]

Mostly for utility

Unfort taihou ded in jp now cuz warspite xd

[odd schooner]

What horrors are am I seeing up above regarding sendai and jintsuu

I know sendai is disposable but jintsuu?

[real notch]

xd orly i always thought it was the other way around

i thought sirius was like good replacement f or jintsuu but

no other ship can replicate sendai's EVA debuff

[odd schooner]

No i mean tankiness

[real notch]

ohh truee i agree

[odd schooner]

Also i feel like 100 ykkz doesn't last that long out of 10 tries

She pops too fast lmao

[real notch]

what's your aux on her

[zenith tundra]

100 yulkikaze lol

[odd schooner]

Box extinguisher

[ionic magnet]

Nekonin (sd, wash, amagi | jint, aya, ykkz) 14k/13.4k
Current Fleet (amagi, kaga, akagi | jint, aurora, jun) 13.3k/12.8k

result: 17 wins - 3 losses

[odd schooner]

How's 109 ykkz @analog hare

[ionic magnet]

hmm sumire still walls the hardest

ykkz still dies in 1 airstrike half the time

[zenith tundra]

wait is that amagi bot position?

[ionic magnet]

yea his amagi is bot

[zenith tundra]

not even worth trying against

[ionic magnet]

[odd schooner]

Maybe i should slot back 100mm

I'm using brit 120mm on lvling

[zenith tundra]

i use only 76 on yukikaze lol

[real notch]

what do you think sumire uses differently?

[odd schooner]

Ye 120mm brit is the counterpart

[ionic magnet]

stall vg

[odd schooner]

Want me to ask him?

[ionic magnet]

jint bel jun

[real notch]

oh

hmmm i still think YKKZ would be better option than jintsuu but

[ionic magnet]

but he switched jint to port and its not that good anymore

[real notch]

probably depends if opponent is running aurora/sendai

[zenith tundra]

using aya yukikaze jintsuu there is no defense

no to mention no jesus heal

[real notch]

i have toolkit boiler on ykkz

[ionic magnet]

@odd schooner you know sumire? 👀

[zenith tundra]

do i have higher chance of finding sumire(2040) at 2034 or 2044/2043?

[real notch]

2033

but don't hold my word to it, you know what happened last time

[zenith tundra]

guess i know what i'll do next 2 hrs now

[real notch]

oh hey i was right

[ionic magnet]

this one walled me the hardest so far

maybe its a matchup thing idk

[zenith tundra]

what do u want me to try 1st?

[ionic magnet]

lol you found him

[real notch]

hmm anything is fine i gues

it's basically confirmed wasda is better than amakaga at this point

since we have tests from 3 people that have pretty terrible wirnates

[ionic magnet]

whats sumires vg rn?

[real notch]

so we know wasda > amakaga, i guess another thing to test would be ....

wasda vs. HMS?

oh i guess test if jintsuu > YKKZ?

[zenith tundra]

i'm 800+belfast mental units off from having that

[real notch]

in a wasda fleet?

[sharp obsidian]

How did you outfit Yuki?

What do you all use on her?

[ionic magnet]

daxam said hms trashes wasda but theres no way to test in avrora cos noone uses hms

[zenith tundra]

i'm trying this against wasda

[hot creek]

has anyone tested Sirius/Aurora/Sendai VG

[zenith tundra]

aa is useless against wasda tho

[real notch]

zack has

[zenith tundra]

i'll try that vg too against sumire

[hot creek]

im still trying to get them to 110

[zenith tundra]

idk way too close

also bad positioning for amagi

[real notch]

why

amagi top

[zenith tundra]

he uses amagi bot

again...

[odd schooner]

@ionic magnet

That's sumire

[zenith tundra]

just a little bit off again

[real notch]

dafuq

lol

2x dildos

[zenith tundra]

ok...

[ionic magnet]

oh sumire uses nanoda now?

found gurren instead lol

[odd schooner]

Lmao

[zenith tundra]

1st actual win

[real notch]

i'm tellin ya dude belfast juneau YKKZ is probably the b4est

so looking at sumire's gear i think

boiler on juneau is a good idea, she sits mid and won't need bulge, and could improve team speed

also +240 HP instead of +350 helps time her death a bit better

tho not for rainbow dildo on YKKZ

i think because getting her heal to proc is hard enough, she needs to have as much survivability as possible

[zenith tundra]

2nd win in a row

3rd

[odd schooner]

Oh maybe i will take that recommendation requ. On ykkz name

[shy hazel]

heh

[zenith tundra]

4th win in a row lol

[real notch]

[shy hazel]

has anyoned encountered my wasda fleet now

[odd schooner]

Requ forgot already i see

[real notch]

[zenith tundra]

well frick me still 6 wins in a row with this vg lol

[shy hazel]

i never lost to uesaka

[zenith tundra]

with yukikaze?

[shy hazel]

u mean my fleet

bel aurora jint

[zenith tundra]

he using belfast juneau yukikaze

[shy hazel]

porth on ykkz slot last time

[zenith tundra]

also yukikaze always last to die on defense in that comp

maybe even not really worth her but didn't pay attention to his main fleet hp before she died

[real notch]

wow

sumire's juneau idea is pretty good

i like it

i'll run it

[ionic magnet]

welp lost to gurren cos i didnt see the stray bullet

ended up with 6-4

[zenith tundra]

put amagi top if u ever set a wasda

such a dumb move to put her bot

i lost to gurren that same way... didn't see 410mm shoots and gg

[odd schooner]

@ionic magnet snowballing

[ionic magnet]

yea lol i was sure im winning too cos my amagi barrage is on the air but no

[real notch]

btw totu i added your tests into the doc again

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

Wait so it acts like a trap card now

[ionic magnet]

@odd schooner howd you get 3 torp skins of the same type kek

[real notch]

btw i figured out how to make a tanky YKKZ... LOL

[odd schooner]

@ionic magnet i never missed a box

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

she just runs around and dodges everything

[shy hazel]

topkek

[zenith tundra]

at least ur defense should have top amagi

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

So double boilers?

@ionic magnet

[shy hazel]

its a meme team anywys

[odd schooner]

I skipped boar box

[ionic magnet]

wtf

[shy hazel]

i never buy skins

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

lol i hardly buy skins as well but wow

[odd schooner]

Should be the same with ether

[ionic magnet]

i wanna test jint vs ykkz on def actually but i got no more test subject

[odd schooner]

Made some modifications on def fleet. Hope you see it next reset

[real notch]

i can do that test with jintsuu and YKKZ if you're ok with a lvl 100 ykkz

i'm at 2032 atm

[shy hazel]

grinding ykkz casually rn

[zenith tundra]

@odd schooner do u know what gun sumire has on his wasda?

[shy hazel]

triple hood gun

[zenith tundra]

idk why but i felt like sumire wasda was so much less threatening then gurren

[odd schooner]

I'll ask

[shy hazel]

why not involveste sumire here

[zenith tundra]

maybe it was just amagi dying too early because of bot position

[real notch]

gurren your main guns are 410, 406, and 381 right?

[shy hazel]

invite

[odd schooner]

Idk. I told him few months ago

381 381 410

[real notch]

involveste LOL

ah, no wonder you are 14.3k

i'm 14.2 with the above

[zenith tundra]

when i fought u u were using 2 410 and 1 381 tho right?

[odd schooner]

Still 2 hood guns if you saw me with 14.3

[real notch]

i don't have hood guns on wasd since they aren't barrage based

tho i'm not sure if the extra speed is worth it

[shy hazel]

worth it on sd

if double dmg

wash not rly

[hot creek]

someone should set torp meme vanguard with x6 oxy and then all AP guns on BB backline

[ionic magnet]

woops found gurren again lol

last reset op

i mean refresh but w/e

[zenith tundra]

i don't think 381 speed is worth at all

410 should still be before 3rd airstrike and does a lot more dmage

Gurren Lagann | Avrora: 67129155 03/21/2019
Switch 410 to 406

u were using 2 410 back then i'm pretty sure

the only thing for wasda def is to shoot before 3rd airstrike so 406 is not worth using. the problem with 381 is the huge damage loss vs 410

can someone tell me fp and reload of 110 max oath washi and sd

@odd schooner

[ionic magnet]

@odd schooner ok whatever you changed its better i guess. im getting rekt 3 wins - 7 losses now

[odd schooner]

Want me to 410

Ok

[hot creek]

test air radars

[odd schooner]

Ye dmg difference is around 200-300 iir

Per shell hit

[real notch]

FP / reload
washington: 426/157
south dakota 419/157
amagi 422/146

[odd schooner]

There

[real notch]

what did you change gurren

[ionic magnet]

wow amagi has higher fp than sodak

[odd schooner]

Just slapping boilers on junny and nanoda

[real notch]

oh

yea my juneau/nanoda currently has bulge/boiler, toolkit/boiler

when belfast dies, the 2 just start flying around and get super hard to hit

that's how my nanoda had like 70-80% hp after 45 secs

[zenith tundra]

381 dmg 13581 vs 410 dmg 15144 this is combined all 6 shells in pve. the difference in pvp would be around 800 dmg over 6 shells

800x3 rounds is 2400 dmg more dmg before akaga 3rd airstrike