I'd put rudder if we had them
#pvp
hazy rain
hazy rain
joined during nazi event
shy hazel
hybrid tendon
Yikes
hazy rain
warspote amagi
hybrid tendon
Spite kai is cancer
But shes expensive
I don't know if i should grind her exp
Maybe i should just stick her in dorm
shy hazel
justdoit
vague token
nice
oblique thistle
You're kidding, right...?
oblique thistle
||They'll all be Sandys||
shy hazel
vague token
that's top kek
hot creek
YO
hot creek
$175 value 
hot creek
anyone know how much bonus gem you get in the $80 pack after double bonus is used?
hot creek
about? may I have the exact number plz
shy hazel
lated when i can access meine app
imagine them fucking it up like dst
and they fail to reduce gems
imstill not gonna abusr it though
hot creek
okay so the more accurate value of 15k gems is actually $162
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kek
hybrid tendon
thats called lying sir
shy hazel
kawa said theyll reduce gems later
hybrid tendon
noone ever done that on the internet
shy hazel
so its all fine i guess
hybrid tendon
hot creek
i wonder can you have negative gems
hybrid tendon
well
its all moot now
tbh
some f2p players can just spend those gems
and they cant do shit
hot creek
im sure they can deduct gems easily but can they manually delete somone's stored mail
hybrid tendon
if the gems are still there
hot creek
they can probably reverse purchases for any tester who already went ham with the ill gotten gems
hybrid tendon
hybrid tendon
those are 550 cubes worth of gems
vague token
;)
hybrid tendon
hot creek
buy 50 identity changers
vague token
heh
lament lichen
roll back to day one
shy hazel
hybrid tendon
shy hazel
avrora is before day one pls
hot creek
how buggy was the test version anyways
hot creek
das hardcore. imagine doing your pvps with 5 min left and then you crash
vague token
o.O
hot creek
i would probably just start doing pvps earlier if i were tester
hot creek
well, rarely do you ever gain anything waiting til the last 5 min to do your pvp
hot creek
indeed, i was about to say
only reason to do that is to spite other sandbagger waiting on you
shy hazel
ionic magnet
i would've bought cubes/gold til i get ykkz
shy hazel
hot creek
10/10 dead list, would wait again 👌
fuck im pretty sure i missed my hard mode runs too
mental sierra
kay, I got Yukikaze, so I guess I'm not quitting the game just yet
Also I just woke up from a several hour nap so I thought I dropped 5 matches
but I'm at 9/10 after reset
vague token
congrats
mental sierra
so I guess I was smart and did all 5 of my matches at some point
marble sparrow
@mental sierra dodged a bullet there i see
mental sierra
Yep, I don't know when I did it
shit, I don't even know if I won all 5 since i don't remember doing them at all
marble sparrow
Or u missed 5 but did 1 earlier 😏
mental sierra
well as soon as my damn emulator loads I can recheck my score
and you can tell me if it sounds like I missed any or lost any of the 5 I don't remember doing
1469 9/10
marble sparrow
Nah u didnt miss any i think
I used my 5 im rn at 1493 cuz overall season i had 2 or 3 losses
mental sierra
Okay, well, cool
shy hazel
marble sparrow
Levelling up nanoda :residentSleeper
vague token
that's what we're all doing xD
vague token
not running juneau against an amakaga with juneau is rough
when im trying to carry ykk xD
real notch
NANODA
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she only level 73 X-x
mental sierra
holy what the fuck
solar pike
shy hazel
literally survival nanoda
blazing scroll
^
mental sierra
I've gotten 2 bonus point matches already even though it's this late in US time. Must be matched with SEA people
vale juniper
analog hare
vale juniper
Just wait :"3
Usually I'm at rank 1 until -+12 hours :"3
Just usually btw :"3
I'm not sure :"3
shy hazel
isnt this your 2nd vdir
mental sierra
I'm like 13/15 on ryuusei from the first run but I haven't run a single event mission yet this event
real notch
it is also my 2nd vdir
but during first vdir everyone was stupid and nobody knew what to farm
real notch
well most people at least
actually i only know 1 person that had 2 ryuuseis before rerun
real notch
seriously
hm
it seems like my complaining strategy worked
i'm 1/15 now
same
or so i hope
real notch
prolly not
coral wren
What if 3 cvs setup
odd schooner
real notch
yea i think you only need 2 but there's not much else worth farming
tho i do want some more magtorps
worthy osprey
what a dead list, its been 6 hours
grave gale
shy hazel
ty for the data
its actually almost common sense if you're a regular here but well
a well arranged data is always appreciated
grave gale
I still see a fair share of wasd users on Sandy myself.
shy hazel
i guess you should state
which server/s the sample is taken from
avrora is tryhard pvp server so its heavily tilted to amakaga here
grave gale
I didn't make the list. It does state that. It's from Avrora
vale juniper
This is a Meme :"3
coral wren
It's pretty unusual that I might lose a pvp match now
ever since I got a few of my boats to full gear sets they just mow down everything
but Cresend's team there probably better geared than mine :p
maybe part of it is being on Washington server
Still, I dont think I'll get the high pvp ranks anytime soon even if I cant lose
there is just too much RNG that goes with that
coral wren
Well, you need people significantly higher in rank than you to get max points right?
split socket
after 1050 pts in the pvp season, you'll need someone to have 35pts higher than u to get bonus pts
coral wren
then once you get high rank you basically need to drop rank to get max points
split socket
you don't spend all ur attempts for no reason
ppl who ends up on top 10 end of season are the ppl who played pvp with 5-10 attempts during the entire season
coral wren
I do that most seasons and I cant get top 1000
split socket
then ur missing attacks
theres no way someone will end up lower than 1k if hes sandbagging and not missing matches
my guildmates on sandy don't even sandbag and just does their pvp every reset gets admiral of the navy rank every season
coral wren
I dunno, I pvp in the morning and evening everyday
split socket
there are 3 resets
coral wren
and you can collect two of them without missing anything
split socket
u are aware that there are 15 attempts per day right?
I cannot see how else u would wind up even lower ranked than 1k if u do all ur pvp and win all of them
coral wren
Because I dont get all the points from each win
split socket
are u fighting ppl higher ranked than u?
u should always pick the leftmost player on ur list
coral wren
I fight the leftmost person but they aren't always that high rank above me
split socket
preferably relog once to refresh the list so their proper rank display before u do pvp
coral wren
sometimes they are even lower ranked than I am and I run out of refreshs
split socket
also I've already missed 8 attempts this season
I'm still well within the 1k bracket
that's at least 80 pts
ur missing a serious amount if u fall out of 1k
fighting players lower ranked than u might give u 9 or 8 pts
but u won't be fighting so many that u lose that crazy many pts, which won't happen
because when ur low ranked, the game practically guarantees players higher ranked than u
the only times it's hard to get matched with ppl with more pts than u are when u are hovering around top 50
coral wren
I might have missed some this season but I dunno, even when I try I dont seem to get above 1k
Like I said before I win every fight now
looks like top 100 are within 45 points from top to bottom
I'm less than 200 points behind 100th place
coral wren
I got two more to do
split socket
it doesn't matter as much as u think tbh
it certainly helps, but it balances out in the long run
I've hit gensui many times without having a good season start
u just need to put in more effort during the season
it's easier to get pts early on, but it's not be all end all
u'd have to play during the first 30 mins of season start to get a good start
which kinda sucks cause it's usually the time for work / school or w/e ppl are doing
monday even :
coral wren
well, I know I'm not getting anywhere this season I'm 148 points behind 100th place
split socket
after the initial pvp season start, it slows down considerably
early season during the first few minutes aren't that much luck tbh
u login, the first thing u do is go to exercise
that's to get the list of ppl who wants to do pvp immediately
then relog several times and watch EVERYONE on ur list rank up
I've placed top 1 on 1st reset several times doing this
well then yes, after that its rng
coral wren
Yea this season I probably messed up
modern tree
Do we know what is the percentage damage increase for AP armour break? It could be cool for like Dork if you ended up slamming for 30% more damage total or something
coral wren
but I feel like in the past few months no matter that I get every reset I dont make top 1000 unless it's in the first day or two
I've considered that having a full 10 exercises on the first reset of the season is important too
frank mural
Translated CN/JP patch notes from reddit says armor break debuff is 8% increased damage taken from guns until the target dies
modern tree
I hope the EN patchnotes were not lying about the skills applying it then cuz I am already leveling Warspite to 110
frank mural
Dont count on it, its prob gonna get fixed after a while
modern tree
I realize, but I will remain optimistic
AP deals bonus damage against medium. It's far from wasted
It would be wasted if it was not beli dura despacito
Cuz I think swapping to AP guns will remain bad
If skills apply it then it's sick cuz you commit nothing and lose nothing if it doesn't proc
Which is probably too good to be true, but hey
frank mural
If armor break affected skills too, it would make amagi even more broken
red nexus
bALanCeD
modern tree
Pretty sure AP part of her barrage is not BB shells, as in, they fly straight, unlike Warspite.
Which made me wonder about Deutschland/Spee gun
modern tree
Only backline and DD AP is bad, I am not sure I understand the question.
vague token
is an 8% damage boost even remotely equivalent to a burn? xD
especially since it's gun only
zenith tundra
the only reason to run ap over he is to snipe medium and armor break helps ap not being less useful on heavy
armor break shouldnt affect barrages also why would that come to en so soon? they are taking their time with everything else
also interesting how armor break should work for ws and not amagi since they are both bb/c shooting ap barrages
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modern tree
Considering it's permanent and games end up being BB slugfests, having one AP gun is probably alright
especially if you dont actually care about gun output, like Hood
Tirpitz gun has additional benefit of being pretty fast with 45 FP, just like Hoodgun. This change is still probably a lot more impactful against Heavy armoured bosses in pve than it is in pvp, but I welcome anything that might make people actually choose what they prioritise
split socket
in the jp twitter they also said they'll buff ap dmg against light armor, no details about how much but this seems like a pretty good direction. Seems like we might see more uses of AP even if the armor break mechanic isn't too powerful
zenith tundra
i just asked in the other discord and ppl said ws barrage doesnt proc armor break
modern tree
I asked in bug report, they are clarifying it with the dev so we get clear patchnote
zenith tundra
i wonder if its worth using ap over he if u face heavy armor bbs
people testing says it doesnt so unless its bugged already it shouldnt be on barrages
split socket
^
I wonder whats better if ur running 3 bb/c, 2 AP 1 HE or 2 HE 1 AP?
if its 2 bb, then the bb with highest FP should have HE due to fire damage, and AP seems to be unrelated to dmg and is just a % to proc
2 AP will have higher chance to proc the armor break while HE can only be applied once anyway (with consecutive shelling increasing time iirc?)
zenith tundra
it depends on the light armor buff imo. like if u still deal no dmg to light might not be worth using if u cannot attack main fleet and the only way to force that is ws kai skill
split socket
hm true
vague token
plus, it's just 8%
if it has like a chance to proc
instead of 100%
you might as well just burn everything
split socket
it'd be nice if they were more clear and just showed us all the numbers :p
zenith tundra
20% was what ppl said in other discord
vague token
20% activation chance? or damage boost
zenith tundra
activation chance on hit
split socket
20% activation isn't too bad considering u'll likely shoot the same ship three times (at least for backline)
and the debuff lasts til they die
modern tree
if its per shell then its 36% on a Tirpitz gun per hit
vague token
yeah, but it matters the most if it lands on the first shot
if you activate on last hit
it might as well not exist until next gun shot
modern tree
this 8% is permanent, until the ship sinks
vague token
so? how much are you really gonna get out of 8% boost in pvp
compared to fire ticks
since fire gets full effect no matter if it is the last shell
or the first shell
unless you are rng god and multiple ships are aiming at the same main fleet
modern tree
It's mostly theory for multiple BBs, since shelling the target on fire with HE doesnt do much
just refreshes it
split socket
also another question is whether the 8% will affect the fire damage?
split socket
the armor break will increase damage taken from shelling, and afaik the fire damage is based on the shelling dmg...
so armor break will indirectly buff fire damage as well?
vague token
like, unless you hit before first tick, he fire extension is always a net gain
modern tree
Fire damage is calculated based on FP and gun properties, not the damage you deal
zenith tundra
the main problem is still if u hit vg and what is the dmg on light
split socket
okay then :<
modern tree
if it was just based on gun damage then Tirpitz would be even more busted than she already is
and sodako procs would actually just sink boats with fire
modern tree
200 affection Hood with 381 has fire ticks for like 700
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and you get what, 5 ticks with 0 refresh?
modern tree
5 ticks, one every 3 seconds
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so ap would basically have to match
3500 damage
at least 50% of the time
imo
to be worth
no one has enough hp
to eat that much focus
before dying to non-boosted ap damage
except maybe warspite kai
split socket
but the fact that fire damage can't stack is still a thing though
vague token
that doesnt matter
split socket
running full HE won't give u more fire damage
vague token
isnt HE to AP on heavy only like
20% more?
or less?
that gap isnt covered with 8% boost
like, even in the worst case of a refresh after 1 tick
that's still free 700 damage
i guess the true worst case is you hit before any burn ticks
in which case you get literally nothing
but that barely ever happens
ok from 90 to 110 is
modern tree
Mathematically, to get 4k damage out of 8% increase you need to deal 50k to the target
vague token
yeah, aka literally impossible lol
split socket
btw, ur also thinking of a situation where the enemy bb ship live long enough for all the ticks
8% more dmg on the shelling might very well sink ships who would've merely burnt to 1 hp instead
vague token
i mean, assuming hood shoots early, you'll get all ticks before 30 seconds
amagi 410 and 381 same thing
zenith tundra
i dont see bb dying in less then 15 secs
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also dont forget warspite kai in their server gets like
16k hp
she isnt going to die under 15
split socket
ws kai kinda snipes ships like no tmrw though
vague token
i mean, she can do that without 8%
like it wont get her a kill she doesnt already achieve
modern tree
Considering AP deals 20% more damage to medium and heavy on average, to get 4k out of 28%, you need to deal 14285 damage
zenith tundra
ok so for hms just use full ap since u can snipe down main fleets?
vague token
so warspite kai vs warspite kai duel xD
modern tree
which is reasonableish
vague token
but reduce it by activation chance
HE is 50% activation
theoretical ap boost is 20%
you'll be rerolling a lot more for the right proc on ap boost
modern tree
yeah, the chance makes it weird, but again, refreshing fires is probably not as good as slamming a debuff if you are already running 3 BBs
vague token
the most optimal use if it the ap shot activates on the literal first shell
depends on when the refresh lands
if you've used 1 tick
you get another 700 so it's fine
if it lands in between then yeah
but same issue for the ap boost
if the ap boost triggers on your last shell
you have to wait
15 seconds
before you can use it
unless you have ws kai targeting
in which case you're full hms anyways
just shoot them
xD
assuming you waste 1 MGM on the vanguard
you get only 2 rng chances to hit the heavy armor target
to activate
really bad odds
modern tree
HMS BBs just chain fire one after another so the fire never really goes for a long time before another shell slams down, and you have to consider that every shell that refreshes fire also deals damage, which means the target might die before the fire ticks a lot as well. How good it is remains to be seen, but I am putting Tirp gun on Hood just to see nothing change and then leave it there for the hell of it
vague token
i mean, that's hms so if it's a niche comp usage it's fine xD
it's definitely not worth outside of that
personally, they should just make the activation chance 100
so it'd be consistent
modern tree
I'd also try it on Wash/Amagi for wasd meme
vague token
or at least 50%
zenith tundra
unless they buff ap dmg to light to 80-90% i dont see it useful outside of hms
vague token
like seriously, 20%
is lower than focused assault
=///
now in pve, it'll see tons of use
since mobs have billions of hp
makes sense
but for us
_>
modern tree
I think they were concerned it will be too good for pve if it came up too much, the most threatening characters are all heavy
split socket
welp, they just made ex stage ranking a lot more frustrating
vague token
i mean, over time the 20% shouldnt matter in pve
since you have lots of opportunities to use it
so why not make it 100%
for us too
=/
oh, i just thought of something
some of the torps in barrages do ap gun damage
so would that boost those?
xD
(the damage part)
vague token
rip
zenith tundra
are there enough heavy armor bosses tho? especially in story mode i cannot say i saw enough of them. in event maps they are more frequent so we end up using that only on event stages or something?
zenith tundra
ijn doesnt have enough heavy armor ships
vague token
since 120 mobs means really high hp
true
nagato (and mutsu?) and taihou are the only ones i remember
and i guess the battleships you never see
since they're usually event lol
or w/e
hopefully they'll buff AP DD guns for us too xD
instead of them being a damage loss on everything
zenith tundra
they just need to release a good dd ap gun
vague token
there isnt a gold ap gun for dd right?
zenith tundra
there isnt a decent ap dd gun
the only one we have is too slow for dd that are made to spam barrages
vague token
would it be better for them to add a dd gun like that french HE gun that's just pure dps?
instead of a barrager?
zenith tundra
the french gun is both a dps monster and a barrage gun
modern tree
pve armour is based on class afaik, so every BB and CV is heavy
vague token
oh
zenith tundra
i dont ever recall someone saying to use ap ca guns for cvs
even when i asked about heavy enemies only nagato and mutsu were ever said as to have heavy armor
and mostly cv would have medium armor
scrolling trough my cv only 2 of them have heavy armor lusty and vicky and the only other i know with heavy too is taihou
vague token
all of the illustrious class should have heavy
that's their point
same with taihou, although she's the only one of her kind
so yeah that's it for us atm
xD
i dont think the US messed with Armored Carriers
technically the essex class borrowed from the concepts but in game they're medium probably
if we get a midway class they might be armored though xD
uss armored carrier for pvp oh boi
zenith tundra
essex is medium too
vague token
yeah
it wasnt until the midway class that the us used armored flight decks and stuff like britain
so we wont see a Heavy USS carrier for a long time
unless alterprise is heavy
for the memes
inb4 busted tier
wind orbit
What would be a good pvp backline using enterprise for someone without Washington?
modern tree
sandwitch her with foxes if you have Sirius or slap her on anything because she doesnt have particular synergy with anything
jovial sedge
So whay exactly happens when u loose fight?
modern tree
you get half the merits and 0 points
@hot creek get a better fleet. Yes, the backline is dead
hot creek
lul junuea still alive
modern tree
I reset like 7 times before I accidentally killed the last ship with Dork barrage, this is basically how every game looked like, and if Juneau sank, Amagi was last one there instead
worst cases I lost QE, thats when Hood barrages 0 times
hot creek
dw, still working on sendai, yukikaze and i started leveling sodak again as well. more 110 options soon™
I wonder if sirius is any good here
also wondering where im going to powerlevel junuea
elder crane
I did so in 11-3
elder crane
110 Amagi, 100 Phoenix, 100+ Juneau handles all non-3* BB mobs for 11-3 auto on safe
Juneau dies on 5 or 6 mob, giving enough HP to handle up to 7 (1 ambush safety buffer)
33 oil, pretty cheap
Main HP issue is actually on Amagi, esp if Phoenix is 100+
modern tree
do you just reset if you get bad spawns? Amagi for sure cant tank nearly that much, you get one triforce fleet and you are out of there
elder crane
Juneau heals back and is actually combat-capable
Actually with Phoenix at 105 it can handle 1 3* BB fleet
But too many and yes, you have to reset
Also 2 ambushes means you have to reset
hot creek
well, ive no business in 11-3 anymore anyways. will probably just go back to good ole 7-2. can never have enough UFOs
elder crane
I'm there to try to farm Sendai dupes
Amagi is almost at 3 mil XP and not a single dupe in sight 
I think I'll give up once she actually hits 3 mil
hot creek
just use bulins m8, game already gives you like a million of em every week
vague token
here i am just farming d2 lol burning all the oil
leveling up astoria, ykk, and sendai all at the same time
wait
the AP gun thing is coming to EN already?
modern tree
yes
vague token
for some reason i thought it was later
then i saw the tweet
lol
and it triggers on barrages/skills
because amagi needed that
modern tree
It likely doesnt, they just fudged up
vague token
actually looking at PURELY the en tweet it doesnt even mention it only affecting armor
i mean i hope so
cause that tweet says nothing about Heavy Armor
modern tree
yeah, this patchnote is garbo
vague token
cause like at that point who even needs an AP gun
just use amagi
and debuff the entire enemy team
lol
oh they mentioned it in game feed back ok
we're in the clear
"clear"
well, even assuming it was a typo
it still doesnt address if it works on only heavy armor
=/
vague token
kms needs a backline before it needs a strong vanguard boat
and someone who doesnt have anti synergy with the majority of kms main fleet ships
tirpitz why
ionic magnet
AP buff eh
ionic magnet
sadly until they change the modifiers against light armors, this is still not close to making ap guns viable
atleast for pvp
vague token
i mean, if it works on all armor types
the debuff would be good
sure, one ship does less damage, but then all her HE friends do more xD
ionic magnet
so basically dumpster 1 ship to buff the other ships eh
i think it sounds familiar cough QE cough
vague token
kek
BUT that's only if
the EN part is accurate
which is unlikely
because the EN tweet is like crazy
it says it INCLUDES barrages
ionic magnet
i still don't like it tho even more so if proc rate is only 20%
vague token
so nani?
vague token
kek
brittle hill
if barrages refer to the special wave of bullets that fire on proc or timed duration
then what the hell do you call the big gun button to the left of the torpedo button
because I took barrages to mean using the BB main gun
ionic magnet
main guns
zenith tundra
it's called shelling usually
brittle hill
Is the AP buff not out yet in the other servers? Because I would imagine since it came out in CN/JP first their translation equivalents would be the "correct" ones no? why is there even a question as to how it would work?
I assume JP and CN use different words for the special skill barrage and the basic barrage
just as we do
ionic magnet
cos the patch notes are inconsistent with what jp got
ionic magnet
should be but we'll see
zenith tundra
from what people in the other discord said ws barrage doesn't proc it
then again they might change it there too to work on barrages too
for now all we can do is wait to test it when it's released
i actually prefer if it only works on mg shoots
vague token
honestly id rather they add it to Arcing Skills
that are AP
so that would mean amagi doesnt get it
zenith tundra
the only ships that shoot that are ws monarch scharnhorst and izumo
no need to buff ws kai anymore
let's leave amagi out but buff ws kai
good choice
ionic magnet
very similar stats with 381 
vague token
i mean, ws kai cant target everyone with hers
xD
plus she already solo kills
8% for herself doesnt change anything
zenith tundra
outside of oneshooting stuff in pvp
ionic magnet
just give it to all AP shots
vague token
i mean, she already does that, if you one shot something and add 8% it isnt really a buff ;)
zenith tundra
i wouldn't mid if all ap shoots including dd/cl/ca would do that
it is because after oneshooting 1 target her barrage goes to next and u have more dmg on that too
vague token
i mean, she can only debuff once per 20 seconds or w/e
that one is mostly fine
timer is limited, targeting is limited
ionic magnet
and whats with the 8% thing? a ship's armor is already broken and it only adds 8% dmg taken 
zenith tundra
10 seconds after the start of a battle and every 35 (15) seconds afterwards,
definitely not 20 secs
vague token
ok, so she marks the target with her skill
then shoots that person
she already killed them before
now you killed them 8% harder
it probably wont save her a gun shot
zenith tundra
why don't they just change her 2nd skill to "when this ship enter an exercise u autowin battle after 5 secs"
vague token
i mean, that's what they did xD
ionic magnet
zenith tundra
ok so ws will rule pvp forever
vague token
until something even MORE POWERFUL
zenith tundra
gg i'll never bother with pvp again
vague token
zenith tundra
make everything about a joke more broken and then release something even more broken looks good
vague token
i mean the power creep is obvious lol
trail hollow
vague token
at this rate whenever the theoretical bismarck shows up
she'll either be god tier or trash
not even counting the inevitable Siren Tech alterprise
just use all 3 for ultimate meta
xD
brittle hill
b-b-b-ut muh yamato
zenith tundra
bismark gonna have 5 luck btw
vague token
oof
zenith tundra
hope i quit al before anything like that is released
the more stupid broken stuff they release the less interesting the game is
i would rather have them focus on comp skills then just power creeps
vague token
same
vague token
our pvp is still much better than say, FEH power creep if i recall
so we're still ok
shy hazel
arguably the most popular and significant ship in ww2
and had two refits
longer invul time and 50% chance to launch instantly
zulul
considering how broken a crap ship ws kai became in pvp
i can see it happening for nt
zenith tundra
they literally gave ws a 130% dmg increase for no reason outside of making her broken
shy hazel
well to be fair shes still meh in pve
zenith tundra
just a random broken number not relatable with anything else
when was ws a pve ship?
u can say that enty is both pve and pvp but ws never was a pve ship to begin with
marble sparrow
WTF i saw their team go down before screen shows mine dying and i lose.
trail hollow
I wonder how the armor piercing thing will change pvp
zenith tundra
i don't think the 380 will be used on many ships for pvp
the lack of heavy armored ships doesn't help too
wasda are pretty rare and hms on defense is not a threat
marble sparrow
Speaking of wasda
Im dealing with a really annoying wasda rn
Finally
Last amagi alive
hot creek
ties result in losses
marble sparrow
@ionic magnet i live by the rule of minimal resets
marble sparrow
Do u guys think akaga x enty at lv 110 can clear backline in 1 airstrike 🤔
zenith tundra
depends on what backline but i don't think enty airstrike is enough to kill backlines solo even with akaga clearing vg
random vault
the best tie is the running outta time tie
random vault
now go for that 200 affection
vague token
i got a +2, but i slept through a reset so dont matter xD
vague token
oof
trail hollow
Kinda wish HMS performed better
I guess it will only be possible when monarch/war kai is up
Wished duke wasnt so-so in pvp
jovial sedge
Hmm yesterday on pity ive lost fight... cos I wasnt paying attention just once... but ofc thst after 110changes im winning fights on first fight.... in 99% of cases
livid fractal
vs @buoyant parrot
real notch
hey guys have you ever fought a lukiose before
hot creek
lul I know luki
he used to play KC
last time i saw, he hangs out in the AL community discord
real notch
i did not mention before but that was the person who claimed sirius is new god tier VG
i think that hypothesis is worth testing to some degree
livid fractal
Aurora Sirius?
lament lichen
on defense or offense?
real notch
not sure, i'm just asking if anyone's fought him and remembers it
hot creek
well if your VG can survive foxes w/o belfast it makes sense
belfast brings so much survivability though.
real notch
yep, but no offensive stats like sirius
hot creek
but maybe because i've been seeing barely any leveled auroras
real notch
except burn order
my hypothesis is whatever results sirius has
it shouldn't be as good as wasda + YKKZ, juneau, belfast
that fleet should brickwall amakagas - which is my theory
shy hazel
luki is a regular top ranker
lament lichen
whenever i fought sirius/sendai/aurora it was just backlline battles after the first airstrike
shy hazel
so far ive no problem dealing with him
lament lichen
the amagi that shoots more wins
livid fractal
I think I fought someone using Sirius once but can't remember his name
lament lichen
i didnt bother reseting when im lvling yukikaze in pvp
real notch
welp
i got a couple people on my reset testing checklist
i need to find gurren and this lukiose person 
btw whoever has 110 wasda... plz senpai help me test YKKZ juneau belfast frontline 
shy hazel
maybe zack too
livid fractal
etherstar is using wasda but his vanguard is jintsuu juneau ykkz lv90
lament lichen
donald trump and the wall
real notch
LOOL
guess i'll go stalk top 100 and see who has nice fleets
wow
ether is a sadist 
getting juneau to 110
shy hazel
wasda
vague token
i cant remember the vanguard but it's definitely wasd/a
shy hazel
forgot front
vague token
110 wash, 110 amagi, 105 sodak
that was uh
like 4 days ago i think?
he's probably 110 all now
real notch
my sendai just hit 109 
vague token
i got hiryuu, amagi, and dork all 110. hiryuu only tough one to level X_x
oh wait actually minne is 110 now
oh boi 2 more days for another hood gun
vague token
xD
hot creek
i think i missed a day's worth of HM runs
shy hazel
just like
vague token
inb4 no shells again
vague token
i actually am low on purple bulins
cause ive been LBing new ships
i just maxed kirishima's barrage
shy hazel
i just buy bulins by medals
vague token
i bought one just now
xD
still 130k merits
guess i need to max sara's gunnery skill next
coral wren
is hms still using june+jin+bel as it's vanguard?
modern tree
I am not
shy hazel
dont know
i never see hms full team now
lol
hms vg cant exist if almost no one is using hms main fleet
modern tree
This is my current meme. I have half a mind to replace Sheff with Ykkz down the line, but for now this wins pretty much everything outside of very unfortunate torp openings that leave your vg almost dead, which are easy to reset
modern tree
I don't think I have seen more than one Sendai tho. Sandy zzz
coral wren
Are you carrying 2 kits on sheff?
I just don't know if she has enough hp with 1 kit to trigger her def skill
modern tree
I am running bulge and pearl on her. Juneau has bulge lunchbox and Belfast has bulge oxy, it works
coral wren
bulge meta, eh
modern tree
Sheff delays Juneau sinking until second torps or strike so she heals my backline and frontline for full value
coral wren
I can imagine that will help a bit when ppl get their shit together and start running sen+jin/ayaya+yuki tho
modern tree
Sides to that, she makes the vg never die to wasd 127
Not like HMS needs help to outdamage wasd
coral wren
What wr do you have against foxes?
modern tree
Only ever lose if vgs wipe each other with torps but that's extremely rare
coral wren
Hm, it seems i have wrong equp on my backline. It's 50/50 rn for both foxes to survive till their second strike in my case
sharp obsidian
I don't think it is possible to farm a 3rd Ryuusei contrary to what I initially though. 😂
I have been farming since the event began and am at a glorious 1/15
Over 15,000 Oil gone already
shy hazel
rng
hot creek
im not actually farming for them though, just got them while farming ema
and im done farming ema
shy hazel
how efficient is your farming fleet
hot creek
mine? I was just using sodak and phoenix for all 6 mobs
and then foxes tirp jintsuu for boss
could probably make boss cheaper but whatever
hot creek
lol? ambuses aren't really a problem
its like 73% evade rate also the mobs are so densly packed together
rarely even proc
ivory vine
d3 barely has ambushes tho
it's like the node before boss is the only one you'll really trigger
farming reppu is worse but still not that bad
shy hazel
hot creek
who are you using as a third
coral wren
Hey got a pve question. How to farm D3 effectively
shy hazel
read above
coral wren
Can a DD be in mob fleet instead of phoenix?
shy hazel
dd i dont think so
coral wren
Damn ok ty. Very nice help tho with that D3 1:1
hot creek
if you're using Arizona maybe
shy hazel
arizona heal isnt enuf imo
hot creek
time to test
hot creek
laffey, always laffey
ionic magnet
lv 80 mobs prolly can at safe levels
coral wren
I am thinking of using 92 ykk for 1:1
ionic magnet
also sidenote z23 is way tankier than laffey
ionic magnet
yea just test lol
hot creek
an extra 150 hp is hardly "way tankier"
ionic magnet
its all about the luck stat
coral wren
Put in zombies since u will need to use fleet 1 anyway
And u get 1 slot free xd
What would u say is the best 1:1 backline?
ionic magnet
when in doubt just put amagi
hot creek
for 1:1 my go to backline ships are washington, tirp, hood, amagi and sometimes arizona.
shy hazel
im not using a lvl 100 ship so
i need Bestal
for backline
grinding doy
next us hyuuga
hot creek
Arizona has no problem sustaining Laffey's health, the problem is that AZ herself gets rekt https://puu.sh/D5wXP/daf9db1a14.png
only three battles in and she's red rip
ionic magnet
oof
i tried 3 battles also
safe to say ykkz will prolly survive even with no healer
problem is backline
maybe amagi can do
hot creek
can't use battlecruisers
ionic magnet
rip just 2:1 then kek
hot creek
sodak/phoenix or wash/phoenix had no problem surviving 6 battles
probably cause more dps or something idk
ionic magnet
he wants to slap ykkz tho
hot creek
oh, right then.
real notch
found it
i'll do testings shortly
Shimarin (amagi, akagi, kaga | sirius, sendai105, aurora108) 13.4/12.9
Current fleet (amagi, kaga, akagi | jintsuu, sendai, aurora) 13.3/13.3
Foxes vs. Foxes
Game 1 - win
Game 2 - tie
Game 3 - loss
Game 4 - win
Game 5 - win
Game 6 - win (close)
Game 7 - win
Game 8 - win
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - loss
conclusion on this test, given the 2 EVA debuffing VG as default (aurora, sendai), sirius is superior than jintsuu
the conclusion of each fight is more or less a coinflip, but it was pretty clear my foxes was getting equal or even outdamaged by enemy foxes, even with 20% attacker boost
i think if i were to do the same test but with sirius as a VG, in this matchup i would overpower the enemy