pvp

[coral wren]

Azur lane > Sekiro

[mental sierra]

lol

[mental sierra]

@hybrid tendon Heads up, I'm legit about to do my last 3 matches for the set because I don't want to wait any more. If I actually am in your opponent list

[vague token]

beep boop 15 minute before reset

friendly neighborhood reminder

[mental sierra]

I stopped pinging oxide because it seemed like he was getting annoyed, lol

hopefully he hasn't fucked up more even without me reminding him

[vague token]

ah

[hot creek]

not having a fully 110 VG is starting to fuck with my winrates now

[vague token]

im using ykk, makes me nervous lol

she's like 60 or less

[hot creek]

problem is im still undecided on whats best general VG so right now only my Jintsuu and Aurora are awakened

[vague token]

ah

[elder crane]

Ehh, I'm back to my Hiryuu team, which is nice since it doesn't need much of a vanguard
I'm using a just over lv 80 sendai

The team deals with a lost vanguard after 1st strike a fair bit B4 lv 110 anyways, so I figure it's not a big deal
I haven't faced many full 110 yet though, so I probs haven't faced many if any optimized teams

[mental sierra]

my aurora and sirius are 105. belfast is only 100 but even if I waste mental units on her she has no exp to hit 105

I don't want to awaken a girl who I'm replacing soon

[elder crane]

Belfast has her place in many teams, so I'd say isn't a particularly risky investment if you don't know who to 110 first

You eventually get enough chips anyways, so not too big of a deal really if 1-2 aren't fully utilized
Aurora, for one, is also commonly used in PvE at higher chapters

[ionic magnet]

meta ships are still the same anyways. only thing changed is that wasda > amakaga now

[hot creek]

citation needed

[mental sierra]

@elder crane I have no problem blowing chips but she literally only has 3k exp

literally no reason to use chips on her even if I'm okay wasting them

[ionic magnet]

you can dorm her and put her on comms to level

its not a waste. its better to awaken her early actually so she can get exp faster

[shy hazel]

ive never met

a wasda team that can beat me

yet

[ionic magnet]

cos theres like 2 maxed wasda in avrora rn

[vague token]

i havent seen one yet

the only close one i fought was donald trump, but he had sodak at 105

[ionic magnet]

is it worth to switch to wasda? idk cos 99% of players still use amakaga but wasda is definitely better than amakaga at 110

[blazing scroll]

I am still beating lvl110 wasda with my amakaga

[ionic magnet]

maxed wasda?

[lament lichen]

theres only 2 people who has them maxed

[shy hazel]

i dont see the switch as worth it

but might as well build it

nothing to switch anyways

[lament lichen]

might as well get more ships to 110

[vague token]

i run so many ssrs, still havent gotten everyone awakened

X_x

[blazing scroll]

I think the vanguard was his problem 🤔

[shy hazel]

i just have to oath washsd

[lament lichen]

only reason why i 110 wasd cuz my washi had enough exp for 115

[ionic magnet]

i cant imagine farming affection again on a new comp tbh

lets all just stay with amakaga so everyones happy

[vague token]

/even though not all of us are running amakaga

[mental sierra]

no one cares about your stalltroll fleet

[vague token]

hey now, hiryuu/dork/amagi isnt stall troll

;)

[shy hazel]

lets see if i meet gurren or zack

[hot creek]

I think I'm go with Jintsuu Aurora Sendai for my VG

Jinstuu/Sendai buff stacks, right?

[vague token]

wait which buff do they share? xD

[steep fog]

torp buff

and they stack

[mental sierra]

ayyyy someone already moved

[real notch]

yes they stack

also it's quite upsetting

how inconsistent sendai flare and amagi barrage is

[coral wren]

does anyone still use hood in pvp?

[hot creek]

only HMS fleets, but she's still viable even with foxes imo

[coral wren]

what's the vanguard of a HMS fleet?

because i guess the backbone's always hood QE york

belfast aurora and juneau?

also, 2 autoloaders for hood, overkil?

overkill*

[split socket]

I wouldn't really say hood is viable with foxes, I was running that right during the switch to amakaga and I had to reset more than 50% of time against amakagas

[hot creek]

i was using Hood foxes against amakaga too for shits and giggles

all you need to win is for Hood to proc once

[split socket]

just think it's not a good idea to go for her thinking its still a meta comp. Even during wasd meta they were pretty bad

they were ok during wasd, but with amakaga it just became way too much of an hassle during pvp

[hot creek]

i mean, if you can't access wasd or amagi, hakaga still perfectly viable

[split socket]

u could still go with hms fleet

unless ur missing all of those above then and only then would u go with something like hakaga

[analog hare]

Yukikaze alway die last

need more chip for level break

[real notch]

level 100 YKKZ

gz

[analog hare]

mfw 1:2 pvp player were using amakaga as backline

[vale juniper]

I got +9 twice because suck refresh results.. -_-

[real notch]

yea i have a feeling

with YKKZ, the meta will definitely shift to wasda

with the tanky VG - YKKZ, jintsuu, belfast

they might prove to be formidable on the lv110 stage

[coral wren]

what server?

[shy hazel]

formidable but not undefeatable

unlike the time whem everyone went amakaga

and using wasde needed u to reset every damn match

to get good rng and win

[buoyant parrot]

so my prediction for this season might really happen... I have to build another team that counters this up coming meta

[shy hazel]

amakaga should work just fine

[buoyant parrot]

I will go Amakaga if WASDA becomes META

[shy hazel]

mirror wasda isnt even as pleasant as amakaga mirror

lol

imagine the fight taking 3 volleys at least

[blazing scroll]

@coral wren It's sandy

[coral wren]

tfw on sandy as well, but didn't play today

will play after i finish marathoning fsn

[ionic magnet]

how to make wasda if i have no washington

[winged idol]

you can sda

[shy hazel]

[blazing scroll]

I can be an ass and hit rank 1 (am in sandy too)

[shy hazel]

oh

dailies gave me another ufo

[buoyant parrot]

remember hitting rank 1 at none season end day is meaningless~

[blazing scroll]

I know that's why I sandbag anyway

[buoyant parrot]

good good

[blazing scroll]

Otherwise all my effort would be in vain

[sharp obsidian]

Hitting rank 1 in general is meaningless.... They don't really reward anything special. As long as you get your AoTN Merit Points, it is just the same... 😦

[coral wren]

are the cranes any good in pvp?

i guess shoukaku alone is like a lidl illustrious though, but zuikaku can work for the ramp effect, right?

[hot creek]

no.

unless you don't mind hanging around r2000, maybe they can work there

[coral wren]

what's better on enterprise with wasd, ryuusei or barracuda?

4th game in a row, demon dance trigger, how the fuck does he do it ffs

question: with 2 autoloaders, can duke of york throw 3 salvos before akaga?

[odd schooner]

I've been seeing a lot of maxed fleets already mostly amakaga

Not really a threat even if it's 5v6

[coral wren]

what's better to upgrade first, vanguard or main?

[hybrid tendon]

havent seen any nanoda in fights

still steamrolling over ppl as normal

[odd schooner]

Nanoda sinks too fast rn

I switched to blue upgrade

[hot creek]

Autoloaders aren't very useful for pvp unless you need very niche and specific timing. For Doy I'd use SG/SG or SG/Gold FCR. I awakened main to 110 first but I did try to get VG to 105 in the meantime as well.

[hybrid tendon]

autoloaders requires too much calculation

[coral wren]

so what's the best meta akaga vanguard atm, belfast jintsuu kai ayanami or?

[ionic magnet]

jintsuu+aurora+juneau/aya/belfast/sendai/ykkz

[coral wren]

is aurora a must have atm?

[ionic magnet]

for amakaga yes

[hybrid tendon]

juneau if you want to tryhard

sirius is actually GREAt as well

she has almost 400 AA

[split socket]

there is no must have, just mix and match and find the one u like best out of the generally recommended vg ships for amakaga

[shy hazel]

somuch vg options

so less on main fleet

[charred sable]

[coral wren]

who won in the end

[shy hazel]

hood would shoot faster than aya

so hhe shouldve lost

[charred sable]

Neither, I cancelled out lol

It was an almost mirror match except Ayanami vs Belfast

I had the attacker bonus but all his units were 5 lvl higher

This season is making me realize how big a diff the lvls are

So when the lvl 120 cap comes, gonna be critical to lvl your main PvP team right away

[sage thistle]

ya my ships are only 105

and people have 110s

and im like

bruh

[modern tree]

get bullied

[charred sable]

I was using my lvl 90 ships to grind the previous event and most of this event but now using my main fleet for everything

[coral wren]

is sendai kai a good replacement for aurora

[modern tree]

replacement? probably not. They do work decently together good to help foxes out in those trying times

While Sendai does have a neat torp buff, she will never amp them up as much as Aurora, and without Aurora, she sort of ends up just being a flare. If that's enough to win then its probably dandy, but moving forward, it will become tough

[coral wren]

so sendai kai/aurora/jintsuu kai would be a good lineup atm?

for general purposes

[modern tree]

probably the best until people start using 3 BB backlines, then you will really want Ykkz

[coral wren]

tfw still on 11-2

[modern tree]

we are at the dawn of an era where people have acess to Juneau Ykkz and if enough players decide to use it, you better believe you will have to use it too.

[charred sable]

I dunno, we're pretty far from Warspite retrofit I'd guess

Unless you're not referring to HMS

[modern tree]

You think 3 BBs are exclusive to Warspite kai? You are in for a treat

[coral wren]

amagi wasd i guess

is yukikaze that cancerous?

[charred sable]

I don't see how Yukikaze changes Amagi + Foxes to Amagi + Washington/Dakota

Unless the lvl 110 cap changes statlines that much

[coral wren]

i guess it's more painful to crack it down?

[charred sable]

Amagi + Foxes still focuses on taking down the vanguard in the first wave

lvl 110 cap should only make that easier

Yukikaze isn't an Eldridge, she won't counter the wave

[modern tree]

110 is enough to make foxes rethink their strategy, the health pools are getting really high. Combine that with backline protection, emergency heal, JUNEAU heal, and wasd having generally the highest AA out of any BB comboes, and you get pretty sad foxes with their 25 avation they got from leveling to 110

[coral wren]

i mean, yukikaze's effect is occuring more often than eldridge's effect

[charred sable]

The strategy of foxes is still wipe before BB round. Which I think is still reliable at lvl 110

[modern tree]

it doesnt matter if you wipe the vg in one strike if you cant kill the BBs, worse, if you wipe the front, your front is gonna ram into their aux guns, get shredded and they will shell you to shit

[charred sable]

Butt I haven't been messing much at lvl 110 except the few teams I've attacked with 110 vanguards

[modern tree]

Aegis still covers the second strike entirely

[ionic magnet]

i already fought a maxed wasda so i know amakaga isn't the best anymore. its just a matter of time before more peeps maxes their own wasdas so

[charred sable]

Until appears

[ionic magnet]

foxes can still work tho but you will need to reset half the time when you meet one of these wasda users

[modern tree]

Nagato will just make Nagato Amagi Ykkz possible, and you will quickly learn that your foxes are still super behind on damage

[ionic magnet]

tho i dont really expect most people to switch over to wasda just because of the grind it takes to max a new comp

[charred sable]

WASD was always better than Nagato + Foxes so I was more interested in Nagato + Amagi + ???

Wondering who our ??? will be when Nagato drops

[ionic magnet]

hiryuu maybe

[charred sable]

If we get the retrofit

Which I don't see why we wouldn't given the non event catch up speed

[split socket]

I still don't know where ppl get the idea that wasd is better than nakaga 🤔

[modern tree]

We have Hiryuu, Hyuuga, Skk, Baga and if you are really crazy, Yamacats. And thats only if you restrict yourself to IJN. You can probably easily afford 2IJN front and run shit like Enterprise or whatever the fuck wildcard you want

[charred sable]

I'll be the heretic who runs Akagi just so my entire backline is brown fluffy tails

Tail not fluffy enough, sorry Hyuuga

[vale juniper]

I smell someone feel salty about my rank :"3

If you said can be rank 1.. JUST DO IT..!! :"3

[shy hazel]

@hybrid obsidian

did u arm your wasda to the teeth

[odd schooner]

@ionic magnet from what i see. Ppl got bored with wasd setup and is now back to akaga due to mag torp, dmg spike and fast match

Like wasd was a plague starting late November

[ionic magnet]

ah right. we might see them come back soon

[odd schooner]

Idk man, akaga has a lot of variations now

[leaden sequoia]

I wasn't doing serious business PvP until Amagi became a thing, so I didn't encounter much wasd cancer

but I'm starting to experience that right now a little bit

[ionic magnet]

depends on how many peeps will switch to wasda

cos right now, theres very few maxed wasda users that its not worth to bother switching

[leaden sequoia]

I would say 8-12% matches in this season was against wasda for me

and I've been against 2 wasda users strong enough to make me reset multiple times

both were only like ~13.1k

but that was enough to make me slightly nervous

[ionic magnet]

i only met 1 this season so far but yea its really good

maxed wasda is around 14.3k btw so thats one thing

[shy hazel]

got two ryuuseis now

lets see

if push comes to a,shove

ill destroy bbs one at a time

[hybrid tendon]

swap them in

but frontline would be a problem

[shy hazel]

well see about that soon

[ionic magnet]

[hybrid tendon]

still havent met any worthwhile wasd

maybe i'm just lucky

[shy hazel]

i havent met any hard wasd

[red nexus]

I have no WA to my SD

[ionic magnet]

[leaden sequoia]

[ionic magnet]

ill just reset to death

[hybrid tendon]

ye

in the end it doesnt even matter

people has been trying to counter foxes with this and that

a lots of random elements affect the outcome of a round

for example you expect nanoda to live

but she eats a facetorp 2s in from ayaya

then you would be like nanoda this motherfucker

[shy hazel]

i have wasd but ill need to farm more sgs

[leaden sequoia]

then you would be like nanoda this motherfucker

I read it both like "nanoda, this motherfucker..." and "nanoda this, motherfucker!!!"

[hybrid tendon]

speaking about pvp

would submarine be possible

in pvp

🤔

[leaden sequoia]

ppl don't like subs in pve, I don't think pushing them to pvp as they are right now is a good idea

[hybrid tendon]

really?

its high time we get sub

TBH

almost w12

already

[leaden sequoia]

well, not that I know exactly why ppl dislike subs

[hybrid tendon]

fuck them

subs are awesome

[leaden sequoia]

but I saw ppl complaining about subs as a huge time and resource sink with little profit

[hybrid tendon]

well

that

[leaden sequoia]

I mean, I want subs too

[hybrid tendon]

I have the neps maxed and at 100 affection

so

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[leaden sequoia]

dat nepping dedication

[hybrid tendon]

purple heart's swordstorm

is actually good

look good

I meant

[shy hazel]

i mean subs are free debuff

technically long term

but indeed needs a huge gold injection

in beginning

[leaden sequoia]

sounds much like chinawall then

[hybrid tendon]

well I have 130k gold now

probably enough

[sharp obsidian]

I just got my second Ryuusei and man what a power jump for Amakaga. Never realized how strong having 2 Ryuuseis were

Close to getting 2 more OxyTorps so will see how that changes the VG 😄

[blazing scroll]

You use 2 ryuuseis? I use 1 reppuu and the vf17 pirate squad

With barracudas

[hybrid tendon]

I used to use 2 ryuusei

🤔

maybe i should try it again

[coral wren]

is purple ryuusei worse than tenzan?

[hybrid tendon]

we dont use purples

in general

🤔

[coral wren]

well, we use helldiver

[hybrid tendon]

hell is dive bomber

ryuusei is torp

[coral wren]

still purple, you get the point

but is it only golden ryuusei or bust for homing torps?

[hybrid tendon]

yee

jap torps = homing

other torps = not

they really needs more equipments

[coral wren]

tfw only got 0 golden ryuusei blueprints

am i doomed?

i really need the second one

[hybrid tendon]

you have only 10 days left

to farm

yikes

[coral wren]

and i'm nearly out of oil too

[sharp obsidian]

They did VDIR twice now so you should have 2 just via the event. 😮

That's where I got my 2 Oxytorps too. Planning to buy the 3rd from the Core Data Shop so I can have all 3 Ships in VG with it

[coral wren]

i started mid-vdir, so i didn't get any important stuff back then, just hyuuga and ise

[sharp obsidian]

Will prolly farm D3 for the next 10 days since VDIR is very unlikely to come back again anytime soon

So need to get as many of these golden torp bombers as possible

@coral wren , 10 days should be enough for a 2nd! It really helps. I used to settle with Cudda but the double Ryuusei just works too well

[split socket]

don't underestimate the abysmal drop rate of those damn blueprints....

[sharp obsidian]

Have faith!

[coral wren]

i didn't get a single blueprint in 2 days

[sharp obsidian]

I've seen Kimocheese farm a gold gear in just 2 days

[split socket]

I got trolled so hard during last vdyr, entire week and I did get in total 15 blueprints

but 13 was suisei, 2 was ryuusei

[coral wren]

wow

[sharp obsidian]

😮

Oh yeah

D3 has that Comet

man...

😦

[split socket]

biggest troll ever

[coral wren]

at least D2 has the belgun too

[sharp obsidian]

@coral wren , good luck! Hope you get it

I would push for Ryuusei since you cannot get it anywhere else

Belgun is common

[coral wren]

i mean, D2 has reppuu and belgun, while D3 has comet and ryuusei

[sharp obsidian]

Ryuusei > Reppuu I think

[modern tree]

but you cant get reppu anywhere else either

[split socket]

reppu is pretty replacable, ryuusei however fills a function no other torp bomber does though

although I wouldn't know where to use ryuuseis except for something like 8-4 😛

[dense lynx]

which one should be put at the bottom of the vanguard, aurora or sendai?

[outer stump]

I mean the fuk

This guy already has Yukikaze maxed out

And lvl 110 too

[coral wren]

implying you can even get a single blueprint

[outer stump]

Still won against him

[vague token]

sara kai inbound

it's burn and flood time

are sara's bonus planes dive bombers or what

[coral wren]

lemme check

[vague token]

thanks

[coral wren]

2 parts of it are diver, 1 is torp

when will we get golden tenzan

wtf how?

i didn't even get a SINGLE golden ryuusei bp

oh

[leaden sequoia]

well, you just implied one needs 2 VDiR runs to get a single Ryuusei

nanoda depreshun is that she dropped or did not drop?

(cuz some people hate her)

[coral wren]

tfw got 2 yukikaze

[leaden sequoia]

damn

are you actually ykkz IRL?

[coral wren]

idk if i should use her as purin fodder, or raise her too

[leaden sequoia]

there are people who want to raise 2 ykkz, for mob and boss

[coral wren]

yeah, that's why

do normal map nodes give gold bps?

[modern tree]

only boss

[coral wren]

well, i'm fucked then

i got 30 purple ryuusei prints so far wtf

at this point i assume it's better to farm d3 for points and zuikaku

[leaden sequoia]

I'm actually doing just that

hopefully that tricks the desire senser

[real notch]

I've been farming d3 for like a week and I'm 0/15

So basically it's impossible to get

[leaden sequoia]

in the original run, you mean?

[real notch]

No in this run

[leaden sequoia]

it's only 4 days

[real notch]

I also got none in the last run

[leaden sequoia]

but well, only got 1/15

[real notch]

This shit is like impossible LOLOL

[coral wren]

he has 1
FUCKING SCREENSHOT

I WANT TO SEE IT'S REAL

[leaden sequoia]

sure, sec

[coral wren]

I WANT TO BELIEVE

[real notch]

You guys are talking ryuusei right

Or reppuu

[coral wren]

yeah

ryuusei

[leaden sequoia]

and 3/15 comets are from D3 as well

[coral wren]

fuck it's not a unicorn, it's actually real

[leaden sequoia]

ganbaru

[real notch]

Nvm, its belfast juneau ykkz for wasda comps

On wasda, that should destroy amakaga fleets

[leaden sequoia]

both offense and defense?

juneau ykkz wasd sound defensive enough to me

[real notch]

oh ya defense

i mean if that fleet can win defense it can win offense so

i'd use the same

if i wanted to win

but now i'm just slapping YKKZ in all my PVP fights

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, I want to do that too

mine is lvl 37

left her in dorm right after I got her yesterday

[real notch]

don't be afraid to put her in PVP she's actually a tank

[leaden sequoia]

her blue skill is already lvl 5, so I guess

in 1h40m will be lvl 6

[coral wren]

mine's at lv8 blue skill and lv46 overall

[vague token]

i think i just fought a 2 boiler eldridge

she's moving so fast

X_x

[real notch]

LOL

eldridge sick of people calling her slow

[red nexus]

She is slow, tho

[real notch]

owo

u done said it

now 2x boiler eldridge will creep up on you in your sleep

charles ausborne

[coral wren]

if you technically get 2.2k points, and reach top 10, you're basically gensui?

[hot creek]

yeah thats all you need to do

top 10 while above or at 2.2k points

[oblique thistle]

With a morale of -100 and affinity of 0 probably

[modern tree]

shes oathed

[oblique thistle]

So? She could still have 0 affinity even if oathed

[leaden sequoia]

I think it's allowed by the game to drop affinity after getting oathed

so the strat is to affinity grind on 1-1 first

then oath

then exp grind

• whatever affinity boost the secretary position gives, but this has to be negligible if ykkz was raised this fast

[oblique thistle]

Well darn... Out of top 1k, oh well

[analog hare]

if ship that use beaver badge / boiler die, would speed bonus still apply to vanguard ?

[hot creek]

stop saying 1-1 for affinity grind REEE. Seriously get triggered by everyone thinking 1-1 is the go to map for affinity grind when its literally the worst map for that unless you need to grind purins/bulins.

and im pretty sure even purins/bulins can handle 2-4

so yeah, 1-1 is fucking useless

[leaden sequoia]

but why is it bad tho

if your only goal is affinity grind

not exp, gold or drops

[hot creek]

it will cost you more oil

[leaden sequoia]

you can just run over the ambush node on B1 infinity times tho

in the single run

so you only pay entrance 10 oil fee once

[real notch]

i 1:1 affinity grinded 7-2

[hot creek]

you'll be losing out on a lot of xp at 1-1 and since the speed of affinity grind is capped by morale regen anyways, there's no point in making battles go that fast

unless you have like an hour to play everyday or something and wanted to affinity grind asap with your limited playtime

[leaden sequoia]

just put the ship in question on 2nd floor then

[hot creek]

yeah you're still capped by morale regen you know

[leaden sequoia]

so the issue is the different playstyle, not the method itself

[hot creek]

2nd floor isn't just infinite morale

[leaden sequoia]

the morale cannot go down to green, like ever

even on 1-1

if the ship is on 2nd floor

[hot creek]

you're talking out of your ass on that one, buddy.

[leaden sequoia]

wait a sec, what ships are we talking about then

lvl 1-17 ships cannot kill stuff this quickly

[real notch]

wait, i've gotten 2nd floor ships to unhappy while farming before

it goes down to red if you keep farming

from my experience

[hot creek]

low level ships can definitely end battles on lower worlds quickly enough to outpace 2nd floor regen

and even faster if you're dumb enough to use 1-1

[ionic magnet]

my ships always hit orange face in 3-4 even when in dorm and im p sure 1-1 is much faster than 3-4

[leaden sequoia]

hmmmmm

am I just too slow to move ships then? 🤔

like slow enough to not outpace morale regen

[ionic magnet]

you prolly afk too much

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, I guess my definition of "fast" is too slow then

welp, my bad then

[ionic magnet]

also im 140 pulls in, still no neko biatch

[leaden sequoia]

tells himself to never argue with people based on different word definitions but still fails even now

[ionic magnet]

i got mixed feelings on 1-1

yes its good for affinity farming but i want to get as much stuff as i can from my oils

exp/plates/gold/bps

so i just end up doing w6/w7

[zenith tundra]

i like to use 5-4 because i can use lb0 bb backlines that never take mvp

[toxic locust]

I did it 1-1 once to finish my 90aff juneau it was over in like 5 mins

feelsgoodman

[ionic magnet]

5-4 eh

but my t3 plates

[zenith tundra]

i need gold aa and have no oil

[ionic magnet]

btw is sara kai good in pvp 👀

[leaden sequoia]

farm 11-3 for bofors then

[zenith tundra]

what part of having 2k oil is not clear

[leaden sequoia]

oh, I was responding to ToTu

after complaining that 5-4 doesn't have t3 plates 👀

[zenith tundra]

u won't get mvp in 11-3 on a vg ship

[ionic magnet]

got sendai already, im not going back there for some bofors

[leaden sequoia]

maybe after we have like lvl 150 cap or something

[zenith tundra]

i don't think sara is good for pvp. what wiuld u even use her with? wasd? then enty would be better

[leaden sequoia]

she only has higher aviation stat and CA gun going for her in PvP, I guess

[hot creek]

EssexE meme team

[zenith tundra]

enty would outdamage her and because of her loadout she's pretty slow

[leaden sequoia]

Enty having access to an OP skill is still better

[hot creek]

whats your point. its not like you're subbing out Enty with Sara.

[zenith tundra]

what comp would use u sara in?

[hot creek]

Essex, Enty, Sara lol

[zenith tundra]

i see no essex

[hot creek]

well no shit, obviously im talking about the future

[zenith tundra]

wouldn't any wasd comp shit on that?

[hot creek]

probably. maybe they have a chance if they wipe vg fast enough

[zenith tundra]

i'm not sure what u mean by fast since enty at lvl 120 launches around 20 sec

[hot creek]

well, if they can get an airstrike in after VG is dead and before Aegis proc idk

[toxic locust]

frontline torp memes I guess

[zenith tundra]

she does

but still uses dive bombers that are slow

[vague token]

sara strikes me more as a kill ykk with her double dot kit xD

[leaden sequoia]

someone actually used Junkers here to a good effect

[zenith tundra]

she gets 116 reload at 100 vs 115 for enty

[leaden sequoia]

I think that was Daxam

[zenith tundra]

junkers are still 2nd best dive bombers but using them u lose dmg on heavy

[leaden sequoia]

he used it against mirrors where enemy used helldivers so that barracudas could reach the opposite side faster

[zenith tundra]

junkers has lower touchdown then helldivers

if she actually works in some comps i would like to try her

i used sara for a long time before i had a decent pvp comp

[modern tree]

I tested junkers at 100, which means the results may no longer apply. Sara is unlikely to be more than a meme unless you can time her airstike with second torp wave or something really niche like that

[ivory vine]

sara's strikes are just too damn slow

[zenith tundra]

at lvl 110 max oath with vf-17 and 2 sb2c her launch speed is 23.64 sec

[sharp obsidian]

Am late to the party but finally got Yukikaze after 178 cubes. Something is wrong with this girl. Now to play catch up and build her up asap for VG 😄

[zenith tundra]

enty at lvl 110 max oath and vf-17 sb2c gold cuda is 1.3 secs faster

@sharp obsidian gratz on ur nanoda

[vague token]

eh, if you're gonna use sara

you probably shouldnt use helldiver

since you want to sell her skills

just sacrifice bomb damage

;)

plus you need more aviation to boost fire and flood

top meme

[sharp obsidian]

Hmm? Is Saratoga retro even going to change the PvP landscape?

[vague token]

no

she'll be bad no matter what

[zenith tundra]

i'm not even sure u could time with gold quint homing torp

[vague token]

oh, i mean for gunner frontline

[zenith tundra]

unless u use trash divers

even with junkers she's only 0.5 secs faster

[vague token]

oh, i was just gonna meme it with full gold planes

dot scales off of pure stats

not the bomb damage

so more aviation bois

also helps her own personal gun damage

xD

[zenith tundra]

it's still a 70% chance and u have no dmg on airstrikes

[vague token]

look, it's sara kai

there's no saving her unless you meme it up

in this wasd and amakaga era

unless you are super beefy

or super fast

you lose

[zenith tundra]

well let's just pass on her then

[vague token]

never! xD

[zenith tundra]

not gonna stop me from using her in pve all the time instead of anything else

[mental sierra]

SHIT, 6 MINUTES TO RESET

4 MATCHES TO GO

less than 3 minutes, 2 matches left

swear to god if I run into a hiryuu troll fleet

phew

made it with 40 seconds to spare

thankfully the last fleet was a neptunia meme fleet

1407 5/10

err, 1407 10/10 now

[hot creek]

im at 1415 rn but I feel like the bonuses i've been getting have been pretty mediocre

[mental sierra]

I haven't been aiming for bonuses since Sekiro came out

I get 1 bonus and then just do the other 4 each set

[vague token]

i havent been getting any bonuses lately besides like 1 person

[vale juniper]

I'm almost lose against this Fleet :"3

[red nexus]

Want

Can i use enty effectively in pvp or is she just a dead ship for pvp

[mental sierra]

Until Amakaga happened I was running Akaga+Ent

I don't know how it would do nowadays

I was still hitting admiral of the navy with Akaga+Ent vs WASD

@red nexus

[hazy rain]

help even if I'm rank 1000 and beat rank 5 pvp I still only get 11 points did they rework pvp?

[red nexus]

So basically amagi deleted enty from pvp...

[hazy rain]

two comps... amagi and no amagi

[mental sierra]

you're fine @hazy rain If you're already rank 1000 or less it's gonna be super hard to get more than 11 points on a match unless you get lucky and someone does all 10 matches while they're in your opponent list

[hazy rain]

this is not a one-day thing, it has been like this for me for the entire season

[mental sierra]

well, I definitely don't know what to tell you.

[hazy rain]

have you seen point gains over 11 this season?

[mental sierra]

yeah

until I hit colonel of course. now it's all 10s or 11s

[hazy rain]

that's what I wanted to answer ofc

previous seasons I would consistently hit several +15 post-colonel

[mental sierra]

what

that's not possible

@zenith tundra @vague token

Back me up here

@ionic magnet

Someone

lol

[hazy rain]

it's sandbagging

instead of rushing the 5 attemps at the very last moment

[mental sierra]

I know what sandbagging is

hitting +15 when the base gain is +10

[hazy rain]

do them through the day as you see someone wildly climb

[mental sierra]

you'd need to skip like days of matches

[split socket]

@hazy rain rank doesn't matter, if you want more than 11 pts you need to fight someone that has at least 70pts higher than u

[hazy rain]

yeah, never stated otherwise

[split socket]

@mental sierra that isn't how it works... at all

[mental sierra]

dude

[hazy rain]

thing is, patch updates usually make me miss 5 attempts from that day, specially if it's right after resets

[mental sierra]

I can't deal with you guys who don't know how this works lol

Zack, please

[hazy rain]

and I claw back from frequent +13

[split socket]

yes, zack, please educate this guy lol

[hazy rain]

by stalking the pvp rooms

[zenith tundra]

previous season was filled with people that had extra attempts. u could get bonuses by camping top 100

[hazy rain]

whenever I see someone finally did a bunch of attempts and climbed a ton

I would challenge him, AND STOP

then wait for someone else to do them

[mental sierra]

if you're literally skipping 5 matches, I can see you getting +13

[hazy rain]

that way you can get back into the game

[ionic magnet]

its all rng and well top 1000 rn has very close scores so getting more than 1 bonus pt is hard

[mental sierra]

Thank you ToTu

fuck

this is insanity

[split socket]

w8 sorry

I misread

I thought u said sandbagging is skipping several days to get +15 pts

[hazy rain]

ofc if I'm about to reach the reset and lose attempts, I rush them

[zenith tundra]

if u want bonuses top 1k attack people with rank under 250 to be safe

[ionic magnet]

i think you need like 90 pts to get +12? not sure but thats the idea

[hazy rain]

+15 were always pretty rare for me, but +12 and +13 were pretty common

but this season I'm only getting +11 no matter how ahead they were

see my example above

I was rank 1200 or something, challenged someone who was rank 20

+11 points

I find it hard to believe everyone on the top 1200 is sub 50 points difference

[mental sierra]

I'm telling you man. Unless you're literally missing out on your matches to wait longer for people to get above you in your opponent list, you're not gonna see +13 ever in the last week if you're already Colonel

[zenith tundra]

@hazy rain previous season a lot of people got EXTRA ATTEMPTS because of dst patch. because of that their score were higher then now and u could get bonuses more easily

[hazy rain]

so before was the aberration, and we are back to normal

makes sense, thank you very much

[zenith tundra]

that season is an anomaly and never be again till next dst

[split socket]

also if in doubt, u can always check the leaderboard to find out the actual pts difference before u do pvp

[mental sierra]

imagine if we could actually see people's scores up to rank 1000

shit would be so much easier in the last week

[split socket]

that would literally not help at all. Since everyones score is so close, what matters are the one that rushed and u want to check if their score will even give u bonus pts at all

[mental sierra]

it would help because what determines whether or not you get a bonus point is if they're at least 30~35 points over you

[split socket]

it's 35pts

[mental sierra]

so yeah, it would clear up any doubt, period if we could see everyone's score up to rank 1000

[zenith tundra]

if u want bonuses, at least on avrora, i wait for opponents to be under 300 rank at least unless i'm over 1k

[mental sierra]

yeah, problem is, for the past couple days, I'm constantly 200~400 rank

the only way I know for sure is if someone is in double digits

then it's easy

since I can check the top 100

[zenith tundra]

that's how it goes when ur score is high

[mental sierra]

I hate it

make it stop

[split socket]

by last week and if u've been sandbagging properly, at least on sandy, not even half of the top 100 would give u bonus pts

[zenith tundra]

end season if u keep sandbagging u end up with only top 50 that gives u bonuses. the more points u have the harder it is to get bonuses

[split socket]

kinda nobrainer to just ignore everyone over 100

[shy hazel]

dont even ask about top 200

lol

almost no sandbagging

somehow it feels better and not

[mental sierra]

Yeah I'm 'bout to just say fuck it and just do all 5 of my matches immediately when I get this high

I'm not like you guys. I haven't missed any matches and I've won every match with bonus points or base points, but I don't give a shit if I don't keep my rank after I hit gensui

[zenith tundra]

i'm like 7 attempts behind rn after sleeping on 4 yesterday

[shy hazel]

[split socket]

first season I fcked up so hard that I miss 8 matches, it's surprisngly relaxing

[sharp obsidian]

Will there be a faster and reliable clear fleet in the future after Amakaga?

[split socket]

I don't even care about this season anymore so I just do my pvp

[sharp obsidian]

Or is Amakaga the fastest way to clear PvP?

[mental sierra]

There has never been a season where I don't miss at least one match. I haven't missed one yet this season, so maybe this'll be the first time

[shy hazel]

after amakaga is namagi

after namagi is namagiws kai

[sharp obsidian]

Is that faster than the present ~40s clear rate?

[shy hazel]

slower

pvp will get slower

[zenith tundra]

i don't think anything beats foxes in speed but the problem is can u beat everything with them

[shy hazel]

lol

[sharp obsidian]

Aww... 😦

I really enjoy the fast paced PvP meta now

[split socket]

u'd lose often if u keep running amakaga for sure

[sharp obsidian]

Sad to know that it will get slower

[zenith tundra]

and namagi will be the king of stalling lol

[shy hazel]

unless they suddenly implement another retardedship early

[sharp obsidian]

Who's the 3rd Main in Namagi?

Bunny?

[split socket]

hiryuu kai before ws kai

[shy hazel]

like amagi

i dont see it happening in en though

its either

hiryuu or taihou

[zenith tundra]

should be hiryuu till taihou

[sharp obsidian]

My Akagi should whack that bunny out but sigh... Meta 😦

[zenith tundra]

then taihou till hiryuu kai or ws kai

[vague token]

did someone @ me earlier? xD

[shy hazel]

i say fk it

just use wash or sd

[split socket]

when did they release taihoe?

[shy hazel]

anniv

[zenith tundra]

1st year anniversary

[split socket]

ew, so long :<

[shy hazel]

nakaga with wash

zulul

[hazy rain]

is nagato really soo OP as to be sortied without other IJN backliners?

[vague token]

wut, nagato sorties with amagi

for the most op

3rd slot can be whatever

[zenith tundra]

nagato is sortied only with ijn

[hazy rain]

nagato, amagi, that's all

sounds... wasteful?

[shy hazel]

nagato meh alone now

nagato foxes were meta

cos nagato has retard

[hazy rain]

but now meta is amagi warspite

[shy hazel]

cv buffs

but we got amagi

[split socket]

it's not that nagato is op

[shy hazel]

so,can skip

[zenith tundra]

no reason to use nagato outside of ijn comps unlike amagi

[split socket]

it's that ws kai is fcking broken

that ppl use her in an IJN setup

[hazy rain]

because warspite kai is retardedest

[vague token]

xD

[hazy rain]

so at that point just go amagi warspite and something else right?

[split socket]

kinda like how amagi is being used all over the place right now

[hazy rain]

must protecc uwu

[vague token]

i mean amagi is the most overloaded ship in the game

in all modes lol

[shy hazel]

ws kai only good for pvp

[hazy rain]

YET

[shy hazel]

amagi is retard everywhere

[hazy rain]

we still have to get rainbow botes

and RAINBOW KAI

[edgy sparrow]

How do i get next rank from mayor?

[ionic magnet]

amagi is waifu too. all in one

[split socket]

if amagi had high AA stats she would be the best ship in the game :d

[hazy rain]

what would a kai rainbow be? double rainbow?

[shy hazel]

top 1k

[zenith tundra]

ws kai in pve is a mediocre barrage bb with too much fp

[shy hazel]

i dont really see amagi is likable

[edgy sparrow]

Is it ok to send a pic?

[shy hazel]

shexdoesnt have character

[ionic magnet]

the blasphemy

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

[edgy sparrow]

...

[split socket]

which rank is majoy

mayor*

[zenith tundra]

as long as is relevant to pvp u can send pictures. this isnt help.... @edgy sparrow

[edgy sparrow]

Was. My rank is 2.5k. and now..

[shy hazel]

help is for casuals

[split socket]

u need to get above 1k rank

w8 nvm

ur already there

sec

[edgy sparrow]

I want to rank up again. But my round is 0

[zenith tundra]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/483519046721994753/547956689907875861/unknown.png

[hazy rain]

so where do I check top pvp points? military rankings?

[split socket]

top 600 apparently

[edgy sparrow]

Anyway, i just want more merit.

And sometimes i got 9 points

[zenith tundra]

to get more merit in a season u want to aim for the highest rank possible for the extra rewards

[split socket]

ur fighting ppl lower ranked than urself if u get 9 pts

[edgy sparrow]

Oh. I thought it just a bug. But i'm not reporting it

[zenith tundra]

always fight leftmost opponent

[split socket]

it's not a bug, it's the way it's designed

[hazy rain]

92 points difference

[edgy sparrow]

I know. That's when i first time i fight

[split socket]

should get +12 from that

[hazy rain]

alright, thanks

so what's the formuoli?

[edgy sparrow]

Is that meta form?

[split socket]

35pts for +11

70pts for +12

[shy hazel]

you need to be active here more

and learn how to sandbag

[split socket]

I don't know for certain the threshold for +13 and higher

[zenith tundra]

roughly what tobi said but it seems to be more complex then that in certain situations

[hazy rain]

why isn't that info pinned here? or in the wiki?

[edgy sparrow]

Anyway, who else want to use Graf Zeppelin in pvp?

[hazy rain]

ahaaa

[split socket]

it's slightly more complex than that yes

[shy hazel]

the wiki isnt particular about it

[edgy sparrow]

Wdym isnt particular?

[hazy rain]

I mean, tbh I just want bulins and purins lol

[shy hazel]

sandbagging cant beexplained

u learn it by experience

[edgy sparrow]

Anyway, don't use purin or bulin in pvp

[shy hazel]

and looking at othrer players

[split socket]

ppl here in this ch know more about pvp than the info in wiki

[hazy rain]

why not? giving free experience to players

[edgy sparrow]

Does reppu recomended in pvp?

[hazy rain]

with bulin fleet

bulin, pulin, vampire, but who would be free-est xp backline?

[shy hazel]

your def fleet doesnt matter

[hazy rain]

it does

[shy hazel]

well destroy it in seconds anyways

[hazy rain]

reduce time spent, and fleet needed to beat them

[shy hazel]

meta or not

[hazy rain]

give other players chance to raise new boats

[split socket]

I'd like to fight maxed fleets for xp tbh

[edgy sparrow]

I just need shoukaku and Jintsuu retrofit. For meta

[hazy rain]

lvl 110 bulins/pulins

[split socket]

u can put bulin, but make sure they are 110 then haha

[hazy rain]

[ionic magnet]

wiki dont want to teach how to sandbag cos its not fun when everyone do it

[hazy rain]

but who would be freest? backline?

[edgy sparrow]

Is this normal?

[zenith tundra]

unless ur defense can wall off certain comps defense fleet don't really matter that is why u mostly see meme comps on defense

[hazy rain]

who is WORST backline?

not meme, WORST

[edgy sparrow]

Eh... Healers?

[hazy rain]

ohhhhh

Akashi Vestal and...

[shy hazel]

any ship can be freeexp

just max level then remove all gears

zulul

[hazy rain]

we gotta go DEEPER!

[shy hazel]

[hazy rain]

monitor? or cvl?

[edgy sparrow]

CVL i think

[zenith tundra]

come on akashi has more hp then erebus...

[edgy sparrow]

But the armor isnt

[split socket]

I think houshou might be worst

[zenith tundra]

3.5k hp for akashi at 100 vs 2.9k for erebus vs 4.6k for uni

[shy hazel]

the only time i switched to serious def fleet was last season

to filter out bug abusers

[split socket]

CVL with a CL gun, shit stats, useless skills

[ionic magnet]

worst backline eh

just put hms kappa

[edgy sparrow]

@ionic magnet that would do

[split socket]

laughs in amakaga

[hazy rain]

how bad is wasp?

[edgy sparrow]

Quenn,hood,dork + aurora,javelin

Amakaga? Amagi,Akagi,and Kaga?

[split socket]

better than houshou at the very least

[hazy rain]

ohh wait, at first I thought houshou would be weird because of her guns, but 0FP

[edgy sparrow]

Anyway, kms is worst than hms. Cuz i beat it many time even my total power is low

[hazy rain]

why does Akashi get more FP than Houshou?

[split socket]

why does she even have fp

[edgy sparrow]

Eh ...... AA?

[ionic magnet]

akashi has fp

[split socket]

AA is based on ... AA

[ionic magnet]

lol

[hazy rain]

Akashi stole Houshou's FP

[split socket]

[edgy sparrow]

Ok. Wtf?

[split socket]

ask yostar

[ionic magnet]

for akashi kai maybe

[split socket]

[shy hazel]

akashi can use cranes to attack ships

[split socket]

akashi kai confirmed

[shy hazel]

pls

[edgy sparrow]

Darn

[zenith tundra]

vestal has more fp then akashi

[ionic magnet]

what the.. you're right

[shy hazel]

vestal can call enty planes to attacc

[hybrid tendon]

hmm

got a 107 sendai in fight list

flare is not that hot

like really

because you have to be on it

when the air strikes activate

it requires too much coincidence in a row

[ionic magnet]

have you tested multiple times? curious how often it misses

[hybrid tendon]

50% of the time

[ionic magnet]

dang that sounds bad

[hybrid tendon]

tested only 4 times

tho

she have to activate the thing on time with the air strikes

and you have to be in the AOE

so aurora is still more reliable

[ionic magnet]

[hybrid tendon]

then again

you can run her instead of aurora

for 4 IJN req of amagi

open the other slots

for belfast and sirius

before ... you cant

[ionic magnet]

sendai aurora sirius

[hybrid tendon]

I like to use bel more tbh

shes more defensive

but yea

[ionic magnet]

yea jus wanna try that comp

[hybrid tendon]

sendai aurora sirius is a killer squad

[ionic magnet]

all in on airstrikes

[hybrid tendon]

3x remove evasion

before sendai you dont have an IJN for amakaga

now you do

was thinking about making a list

for every viable pvp ship

[ionic magnet]

jintsuu was p much a staple before cos of ijn requirement

[hybrid tendon]

a full def fleet would be yuckykaze

belfast

[ionic magnet]

now got so many options

[hybrid tendon]

and ....

[ionic magnet]

jesus

[hybrid tendon]

YE

[real notch]

yuckykaze LOLL

[zenith tundra]

i don't think u need belfast at all

[hybrid tendon]

shigure > yuckykaze

who to replace belfast?

defensively?

[zenith tundra]

every amakaga i fought even lvl 110 with high level vg wasn't even a treat

and i'm using dumb stuff like sirius sendai jesus/yukikaze

[hybrid tendon]

well at higher level pvp

i cant remember the last time i have to reset

the 20% attacker is really a deciding factor

when all fleets are optimally maximized

i've never used jesus despite having her maxed

[zenith tundra]

if the enemy vg doesn't tank my kaga ryuusei rip amagi

sirius buff is pretty insane imo

that amagi is 110 and stands no chance to survive lol

[random vault]

double ryuusei or single ryuusei?

[zenith tundra]

single on kaga only

my yukikaze has oxy btw lol

[hybrid tendon]

ryuusei is really inconsistent

using 2

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

maybe i'd cut it down to 1

I'm actually using blackburn on kaga atm

[shy hazel]

bomb them

[hybrid tendon]

for the AA

[hazy rain]

Aurora makes my frontline die half the time, I was worried as I heard her voice, but when I checked she died to main fleet anyway

[zenith tundra]

this is actually a thing

[hazy rain]

you basically have to try really hard to lose on attack mode

[shy hazel]

ill only use ryuuseis if and if

wasd becomes meta again

[shy hazel]

lazy to return so ill just spice up the memes

[zenith tundra]

i think that torp vg on def might actually be a thing

at best my jesus survives and that's all

[hot creek]

it absolutley is a thing on def, in fact its optimal.

torps have huge advantage on def

[zenith tundra]

i might set it up but with yukikaze instead of aya

[hybrid tendon]

well aya is the damage sourcee

if you dont have aya thats no torp def

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze torp stat is no joke

then again only 150% efficiency

[real notch]

what rank are you guys right now

[velvet fossil]

who should i be equipping rainbow torp and dildo on? jin or aya

[lament lichen]

aya

[hot creek]

r377, i've a dead list feelsbadman

[hazy rain]

what is the bare maximum of oxytorps you can stick on vanguard before you start actually hindering them?

just 1 on each ship? can't middle ship afford two? isn't 6 oxytorp suicide defense good anyway since they will die fast regardless?

[shy hazel]

2

assuming one is on jint

because jint has dmg reduction she doesnt need much babying

[hot creek]

honestly I don't even bother with any oxy torps anymore. I'd rather take the extra HP since I just want my VG to live long enough to be able face torp enemy backline for decisive win. oxy torps aren't really necessary imo

[hybrid tendon]

Ye

I think this 2 oxytorp from event is enough

[shy hazel]

oxytorp is mostly for torp slapping anyways

gotta slap that stick in the face

[hybrid tendon]

You only need 2 or 3 oxytorp tbh

Is there any event that gives it

Except vdir

[shy hazel]

only vdir

[hazy rain]

well, that's how it looks on attack

but I am sure if we could see defense we would see vanguard melt in seconds all the time

[shy hazel]

its v good on solo jint farming in pve though

pvp it depends on pref

but not really necessary

[hybrid tendon]

Well toolbox oxytorp is ok

[shy hazel]

reminder it will boost your power levels too

[hybrid tendon]

But you need someone to hold beaver

[shy hazel]

its over 9000

[hybrid tendon]

So only 2 oxytorp

Given toolboxes and torp bulges

On botes

[hazy rain]

you mean you don't put beaver on amagi?

[shy hazel]

you dont

what u smoking

put gold sg

[hybrid tendon]

Amagi need gold sg

And the gold tower

For barrage memes

[hazy rain]

MUST PROTECT