pvp

[lament lichen]

people rushing now

geez

[coral wren]

I hope they ban ppl who are publicly admitting they will abuse a exploit/bug

[hot creek]

I kinda wanna push just so I can put my leveled fleet up there

[zenith tundra]

not worth it

i don't think there is a need to ban because it wasn't their fault

i just wished they were able to fix the score properly or just not bug them in 1st place

[lament lichen]

already got +3 from these rushers

[zenith tundra]

i'm getting my 3rd +1 now

[lament lichen]

these people with none awaken teams

[zenith tundra]

4th +1 bad score helps

[lament lichen]

im just waiting for the 4th bonus now

dont want to reset a +10

[coral wren]

I overslept 5 charges on purpose so I can get lower score and get more bonus points

[lament lichen]

[modern tree]

Ima sit, I am pretty sure that not enough people have points to contest my sandbag, and if not, oh man, LOST 2500 merits after getting like 7k extra in the mail, I will surely never live this down.

[finite valve]

lel

at least i already finish mine

good sleep for next 2 days

zzz

[zenith tundra]

i slept just fine this week

[finite valve]

don't compare me to you hard core try hard

[zenith tundra]

i think w11 shorted my sleep more then sandbagging

[lament lichen]

w11 ate all my oil from autoing

[coral wren]

imagine playing manual

[finite valve]

now if only columbia drop so i can move back to 11-2 or 3

stupid shit

[lament lichen]

just let me get sendai

[coral wren]

is Clomobia good or something. isnt she just a copy of ceveland with a flagship dmg red

[lament lichen]

shes like a copy

[coral wren]

I would prio sendai but I got her early on

so

[finite valve]

yeh i am planning to farm dups for sendai and agano

[coral wren]

10-4 seems too big of a disadvantage to reward ratio

[finite valve]

i got 23 bullin

and 29 purrin

LMFAO

[coral wren]

all my Srs are mlb I have been retiring my purins

kept 12 for new SRs

[finite valve]

well at most we going to have around 2 new SR

[coral wren]

hmm oh

[finite valve]

mikasa and nagato if the last event CG is any indication

also kirishima is another give away

no confirmation tho

[coral wren]

why would u waste 50 dock space tho

seems so waste xd

unless u have a really big docc

[finite valve]

let me give you a hint

[coral wren]

I am running out of space after a few runs with 300 docc

[finite valve]

it start with W and end with E

[leaden sequoia]

or just flex with 28 purins on the screen at the same time

[modern tree]

Columbia is a 2:1 god for w9 and up, but I probably wouldnt prioritise her unless you are crazy about efficency or just want that collection %

[leaden sequoia]

well, KMS certainly does

[finite valve]

well at least 11-4 give good exp

[leaden sequoia]

if his rant about IJN Yamato was anything to go by

[finite valve]

since i am lvl breaking hood and amagi anyway

so not really that bad

[coral wren]

I doubt we will get w12 in a month or so. so I will chill and break my ships

and farm 11-4 slowly with a cheap fleet

[finite valve]

need to have at leat 1 110 ship for pvp bro

[coral wren]

oi oi oxide. I just didnt like how he somehow has a bug

[finite valve]

since after around 2 weeks ppl going to use 110 shit left and right

[coral wren]

haff u seen the fleets in washington

[finite valve]

still dk whether i should bust out the foxes card or just move to wasd for the new meta change

zzz

funny enough avrora don't got much lvl break shit here lel

ppl still using 100 shit

[coral wren]

I dont mind wasdas almost 40-50 secs fights

is a nice change from 20 secs amakaga wins

[zenith tundra]

i want my amakaga at 110 by tomorrow then gonna start to work on vg

[finite valve]

aurora and sendai are prime candidate for lvl break

dk about random tho

might switch back to belfap

[zenith tundra]

i would pick either jesus or jintsuu

[finite valve]

yeh random can be whatever

[zenith tundra]

even more jesus over belfast at 110

[finite valve]

well jesus is good at 110 if your back are all 110

since only amagi is 110 doubt it going to work

if you going to use jesus anyway better to just move to wasd

[zenith tundra]

u would do that last either way

[hot creek]

the problem is giving Jesus xp

[finite valve]

the pain of being a pvp try hard

LMFAO

[coral wren]

LB jesus and put her in dorm

[finite valve]

funny thing is

your ship can still get exp even if you did not lvl break her\

dk if intended or not

but iam not complaining

meh all this talk about lvl 110

i am just going to move to wasd

fuck foxes zzz

[hot creek]

fuck pve ship and do both wasd and foxes

[finite valve]

@hot creek gift me around 2k chips and we talk lel

16 days to even get 4 SR to 110

[mental sierra]

you can still use wasd and foxes in pve and it works really well if they're 110

[finite valve]

LMFAO

[coral wren]

using foxes in PVE? MADNESS

[finite valve]

then how do you expect ppl to oath and affection 200 them?

doing dorm?

[coral wren]

DORM

[finite valve]

lel

[leaden sequoia]

16 days if from daily raid only

[coral wren]

spam those pop ups

[leaden sequoia]

with hm w7 and w11 only 7 days

[zenith tundra]

200 affection with dorm

[finite valve]

implying that i didn't already use those bonus for hood and amagi

lel

[leaden sequoia]

[finite valve]

but yeh need to choose between wasd and foxes

[leaden sequoia]

also, 200 affection with dorm from 0

[finite valve]

leaning toward wasd tbh

should be from 50 bub

unless you meme them to 0 then farm from there

which i would say MADNESS

[zenith tundra]

5th +1 of this reset

thanks aotn rushers

[finite valve]

buy me a beer and call it even lel

[zenith tundra]

now i'm only 10 pts behind the guy that got aotn before reset

[mental sierra]

I finally got my Sirius to 100 last night. gonna try belfast sirius aurora since I don't have sendai yet

[coral wren]

damn degens using all kind of excuses to use big tiddy ships dont they

[finite valve]

telling dege to not using waifu in a waifu collecting game

what have the world turn into

[mental sierra]

bahahaha first akaga launch killed the entire vanguard in a belfast smokescreen

[coral wren]

well when i use my waifus . FBI show up at my door. what kind of world we live in :c

[finite valve]

only IRL

ban picture of loli on the internet

[coral wren]

irl lolis not thicc

[finite valve]

don't do anything about all the raper / sexaul assult IRL

yeh gj

[outer stump]

Just 105 Enterprise 1v3 amakaga

[finite valve]

using enty in this day and age?

[analog hare]

[outer stump]

Sure... I hate foxes a lot

[coral wren]

put her in center and let amagi greet her with a one shot

[outer stump]

Who the hell puts enty on mid

[modern tree]

what the hell are you doing, using this perfectly adequate boat on offense where she has no weaknesses she normally might have when played on defense

[outer stump]

I can't wait to lvl wasd to 110 too

Rip amakaga

[finite valve]

@modern tree fixed it for you
what the hell are you doing, using this perfectly adequate boat on offense where she has no weaknesses she normally might have when played on defense IF her skill PROC

[modern tree]

Oh yeah, how could I forget, 30% of the time Enterprise is not even a boat

[finite valve]

oh yeh how could RNG always fuck me up and not proc her skill when o da wari duel their enty?

[outer stump]

Same

But most of the time I face foxes than enty

I miss the old metas...

[finite valve]

like the stall meta?

[outer stump]

Wasd enty was amlots everywhere, now everyone is picking amakaga

[finite valve]

i rather waste less time then possible doing pvp

[outer stump]

And HMS fleets are pretty rare

I wish I could face some of them again

[finite valve]

hms was only meant for early game tbh

only viable after you get PR

but even then it is still not what we would call meta

not untill WS kai come lel

and even then ppl can still use her in any comp

[outer stump]

Well you're right

[finite valve]

well once we get nagato and bunnies kai you bet your ass stall comp going to be everywhere

meh

[outer stump]

Are they broken?

[finite valve]

cancer is the correct term

[mental sierra]

they're objectively better than foxes for pve but besides Hiryuu's stupid stall skill, they're not gonna replace quick launch in pvp

if your nakaga deletes an enemy vanguard, it doesn't matter how long hiryuu stalls because she has no guns to fire against your own vanguard

[finite valve]

tell me if this skill is not cancer or what?

now add that skill to a ship with stat = that of foxes and you get cancer

lel

[outer stump]

I mean after the UI update that AL staff are preparing I hope they will start making some balance changes

[modern tree]

they wont

[vague token]

balance changes

[mental sierra]

I don't think they'll ever balance change. They'll piss off too many people who have invested in the previous ships if they flat out change those ships. The best they can do is introduce new/better ships that change the meta

[vague token]

they only have buffed some terrible tier ships every so often if i recall

they'll NEVER nerf something unless it's straight up a bug

[finite valve]

or kai previously useless ship and make them broken in either pve or pvp

LMFAO

[modern tree]

this is a harem power trip game, what is balance

[outer stump]

It's pretty bullshit in this way but it's other way tbh

[vague token]

like, yorktown got that buff to her vengeance before i started or w/e

[coral wren]

they need to buff Enty so ppl use her more in pvp. maybe make her skill 100% proc

[mental sierra]

inb4 kais of kais

[vague token]

KC already doing that right?

xD

warspite Kai, Kai

[finite valve]

KC don't have pvp

[vague token]

you win instantly

[finite valve]

and their pvp is useless

all you get from them are free exp

[vague token]

i meant the level 2 retro

[finite valve]

no ranking

[mental sierra]

I suggested this like 2 months ago but we should get an Indianapolis Kai that launches a nuke that instantly wins a pvp match if you can keep her alive until 40 seconds

[finite valve]

ah kai ni

yeh KC got kai ni

[mental sierra]

so then all comps will be about keeping indianapolis alive

[vague token]

xD

yeah, but then they could add subs in pvp

as a hard counter

kek

[mental sierra]

[vague token]

that's a history reference

[outer stump]

Or just reduce the cooldown of Purple's Hearth barrage

[finite valve]

is her barrage that good like game changing?

[vague token]

lol no

im pretty sure that barrage is a joke

even at level 10

[finite valve]

then what the point in that barrage?

115s to proc

[vague token]

i dunno, waifu points like the rest of the neps

[finite valve]

and can't change the tide of a game

useless lel

[vague token]

the most interesting skill in the collab, black heart's gun skill, is still terrible

[outer stump]

It looks pretty cool to me tbh

[vague token]

and only works on main gun

cause she's glassier than an HMS CA

lol

[outer stump]

But didn't tested the danage

[vague token]

and no MGM+1

[mental sierra]

yeah, not being a gunboat CA is suffering

[vague token]

it'd be ok

[finite valve]

Mogami: hold my beer

[vague token]

if the skill worked on the torps

and she had MGM+1

then she'd be a special variant of an HMS CA

glassy, but optimal for AP guns

because you lose no damage

on all armor types

[mental sierra]

isn't that Black Heart?

[vague token]

yeah that's who i was talking about

[mental sierra]

oh, moto was talking about purple so I got confused

[vague token]

oh yeah xD

i mean, purple heart doesnt even have like a direction

dps CL?

i guess?

skill that triggers right before you go to A rank?

nani?

[mental sierra]

well, York Kai gets the ignore armor type thing too, but alas, also torp CA

still has the greatest skill names in the game though

[outer stump]

York Kai?

Is that around?

[mental sierra]

Not yet

[vague token]

lol no

[mental sierra]

is in JP

and CN of course

[outer stump]

I mean I searched on wiki someday and I didn't saw her

[finite valve]

well at least exter kai is sexy af lol

[vague token]

also, that only changes her aux gun

[outer stump]

But enty when?

[finite valve]

i mean look at those nip slip

[vague token]

i thought

not her Main Gun

[finite valve]

almost anyway lel

[vague token]

Increase secondary gun's critical hit chance by 40% (70%) and ignore armor type (damage based on skill level).

[mental sierra]

@outer stump https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/York#Retrofit

[vague token]

it changes the bonus gun that all Torp CAs have

that dinky pea shooter

xD

[mental sierra]

Ohhh shit you're right

[outer stump]

Wait york

[mental sierra]

it does say "secondary gun"

[outer stump]

Not Yorktown

[mental sierra]

I've totally missed that every time I've read it

[outer stump]

God damn

[mental sierra]

goddamnit

[vague token]

i mean it COULD also change main gun

i dont know anymore

after sheffield shenanigans

xD

[mental sierra]

Oh yeah, the sentence is ambiguous. the crit chance part could be the thing that's specific to secondary guns, but the second half could refer to in general

I don't trust anything

[vague token]

yeah

but black heart's says specifically main gun

so it doesnt even work on her barrage

that is also terrible

[mental sierra]

True and true

[outer stump]

I still wonder...how tf I get opponent's whit 3 ships whit 105 level... When I only could get for enty

[modern tree]

Yorks kai skill powers up her dinky aux gun, but with her stats aura and armaggedon canon she is one of the better dps CA's around

[vague token]

because all the neps have a 20 second cd on their barrages for no reason

oh yeah im sure

she gets crazy firepower

[finite valve]

@outer stump 3* w7 hm

[vague token]

we were just saying that black heart's MG version would be cool

in all game modes

[outer stump]

W7?

[vague token]

if it worked on everything

xD

[mental sierra]

world 7 hard mode

[finite valve]

world 7 hard mode

[outer stump]

It does give chips?

[finite valve]

yes lel

[mental sierra]

if you 3 starred three maps yesterday you could have had a 110 and two 105s yesterday

[outer stump]

Didn't know that lel

[finite valve]

100 + 150 + 200 + 250

[mental sierra]

@outer stump Only as a bonus mission for 3 starring the maps, not chips per clear

[vague token]

w7 is very unfriendly to me

cant put a CA in

without having a destroyer

and i dont use any destroyers in my pvp teams

exp nooo

[outer stump]

Oh wait the side missions... I thought they were as a drop

[mental sierra]

I just did this for w7 hard and made them do literally every battle even at 0 ammo

[outer stump]

Now to think about it... The 7-4 has lvl 90+ ships so idk if I can auto atm

[finite valve]

108 to 110 is = to almost 3 times 99 to 100

[mental sierra]

Hood instead of Amagi because my Amagi is already 110

[finite valve]

meh this is going to be a hard farm

zzz

[modern tree]

I did w7h with 1:2 fleet killing all the nodes at 0 ammo

you guys have weird problems

[mental sierra]

I wanted the exp, yo

it's not a problem with clearing

Kiroshima is trying to level pvp girls

[finite valve]

then do it in normal map lel

[mental sierra]

wat

[outer stump]

I have a question... Did you just cleared once then spamed whiteout clearing the flagship?

[mental sierra]

we needed to clear hard mode for chips any way?

[outer stump]

To get all stars?

[vague token]

yeah

[mental sierra]

correct

[vague token]

3 star only requires kills

and the field wipe

doesnt care about completing the stage

[outer stump]

Then I will start tomorrow

[vague token]

err well 1 does

[outer stump]

Today I used them on w6 because I was a lazy fuck

[vague token]

one is like beat boss

xD

[finite valve]

@outer stump you first try to finish the kill all 30+ enemies before finish clearing a stage

[modern tree]

hard mode is a weird place to farm, it's kind of like my friend asking me if he should continue farming w6 hard cuz he needs gold sg or move to w7, the answer is kind of obvious, why are you using 3 attempts you get for hard mode to farm?

[mental sierra]

what

we're not....farming....hard mode.... it was incidental

[modern tree]

he is not a smart man

[mental sierra]

because

hard mode

needed

to be 3 starred

any way

make sense?

[outer stump]

And pretty much farming

[mental sierra]

why NOT do two things at once

[outer stump]

Because core data is life atm

[vague token]

some people dont have oil to be fair

[finite valve]

core data or chip?

those are 2 diff thing

[vague token]

cog chips

[mental sierra]

I'd rather level girls than save oil

[outer stump]

Ik but someone said that who the hell farms hard mode

[vague token]

na he was just referring to a buddy who did so

no one here said they farmed hard mode

xD

[modern tree]

you also needed oil to 3 star w11 after, so farming hard seems strange either way, but I guess its been a while since I have been capped

[outer stump]

I have 10k stored, 2500 uncollected from mail

Do you think it's enough?

[vague token]

no

[finite valve]

i think this is a case of diff stroke for diff folk lel

[vague token]

it's never enough

give her gems for oil jk

[finite valve]

if it work for them then just leave it at that

no need to question how / why ppl do something

[mental sierra]

shit I forgot about the other daily raid

[vague token]

yes there is

why do amakagas use helena still

i dont understand

it triggers me

i see it so much

[mental sierra]

[finite valve]

cus it don't work?

[mental sierra]

that makes zero sense

[vague token]

not in top 100 of course

[modern tree]

day 1 special

[random vault]

tierlist peeps

[finite valve]

helena + foxes = useless debuff

[random vault]

they just see whats t0

[vague token]

but like 500+ i see it

xD

[random vault]

and slap it on their team

[finite valve]

make sense if you use it with enty

[random vault]

[finite valve]

foxes is a big no no

[outer stump]

Who got A at the first clear for chips because didn't knew the time limit was 60 for the last star?

[vague token]

lol

[finite valve]

no one?

[mental sierra]

I still see a million people every season using Hood + Enterprise + Illustrious as their pvp backline

I don't know why that's a thing

[vague token]

i mean hood/e/lusty was a thing they probably just havent updated

[mental sierra]

again, not in top 100

[vague token]

like me

i dont have akagi

[outer stump]

I mean the timer was usually 120

[vague token]

nor jintsuu

[finite valve]

using lusty in pvp

[vague token]

so xD

[finite valve]

that's a laugh

[mental sierra]

Yeah I still don't have jintsuu

[finite valve]

RIP lel

[vague token]

i love my franken fleet though

no kms though =/

[finite valve]

<got kms max but not using them in pvp or pve

lel

[mental sierra]

I actually have one in my current opponent list right now

I just don't get it

[vague token]

yeah but there's 2 oaths

waifu pvp team

[leaden sequoia]

90 or 60 seconds don't matter when Lucky E can oneshot in aviation daily and ayaya nuke in torp daily

so the most difficult one is actually BB daily

coz shells can miss

[finite valve]

what about shelling?

[vague token]

what, just use ap guns on cas

[outer stump]

I used cranes just to be sure

[vague token]

they do like 3k

[mental sierra]

I had Duke of York almost one shot in shelling. Well, one volley

[outer stump]

But dayum 4 TB from Shoukaku hurts

And using ryuusei too

[leaden sequoia]

I auto every daily btw, so might be because no 20% bonus damage from manual aiming

[outer stump]

I still don't know why doy's barrage works like WS shot

[random vault]

ikr it should work like hood's

[outer stump]

"It shoots the farthest bomber ship"

[random vault]

full screen slowdown

[mental sierra]

a hood barrage that slows, and then the actual main gun fires

[leaden sequoia]

that debuffs

[outer stump]

@leaden sequoia wait when you manual aim you actually deal bonus damage?

[finite valve]

old news lel

and yes they do

+20% if you hit bull eye i think

[outer stump]

I mean I don't knew that

First was the 20% damage boost as offensive in pvp

Now that

[idle python]

20% is only on the first mount

[finite valve]

and comes jb increase that bonus further

[outer stump]

Damn this game has a lot of questionable things

Is the damage increased for how far you shoot too?

[finite valve]

if you have the skill

we do have a boat with that skill right?

[outer stump]

But how does have that?

[finite valve]

or am i high?

that is base on a skill

[idle python]

Massa

[outer stump]

I don't remember having soneone

[modern tree]

"bullseye" is bullshit, is just multiplies your first shell volley damage by 1.2 when aimed manually

[finite valve]

normally we don't have that affect

[outer stump]

I mean it works for all the MGB+2 or just for the first shelling?

[finite valve]

imaging trying to hit salvo manual w/o slow down

now that is what i call skilled

only 1 shell

[leaden sequoia]

you mean, first shell in every salvo or every volley?

like , for BB with 410 does that 1.2x apply to 1st, 3rd and 5th shell?

[outer stump]

Every volley

[leaden sequoia]

or only 1st

so only 1st

[finite valve]

the 1st volley of each time you fire

[outer stump]

I see

[leaden sequoia]

that's not a lot, especially with 406 and 9 shells

[outer stump]

What about SD focused assault?

[finite valve]

no lel

only the first 3 shell got the bonus

the rest don't

[leaden sequoia]

🤔

[outer stump]

You mean the salvo?

[leaden sequoia]

[finite valve]

yeh the 1 salvo

[leaden sequoia]

that makes more sense

thx

[finite valve]

well who give a shit about some manual BS anyway

AUTO LANE is the way to go

what kind of filthy dege would play manual lane?

filthy casual

[outer stump]

And so there is everytime the first volley?

[mental sierra]

yes

[finite valve]

i think first round = whole 3 salvo of the first time she fire

dk tho

[mental sierra]

I think you're right

[outer stump]

[mental sierra]

certainly seems to affect anything hit by the first 3 rounds

[finite valve]

i think you better off asking game guru for that

[outer stump]

I think it dealt less damage at the second shellings

[vague token]

im pretty sure it affects the first bullet

of each set

[outer stump]

So I think it's only the first salvo

[vague token]

so 1 out of 9 if you use a 406

it triggers every time

before it hits

at least for me

[finite valve]

well the problem is how you be sure that the dmg increase was not from the debuff?

[mental sierra]

every time she activates your main gun cooldown, the skill pops up once. But yeah, I dunno if it's the whole first volley or just one bullet in the first volley

[finite valve]

since the debuff is active on contact

[mental sierra]

my assumption is entire first volley

[vague token]

it should be 1 bullet

im pretty sure

[finite valve]

that dmg could just be from the debuff and not the skill

[vague token]

but no idea

[leaden sequoia]

"round" being 1 shell here makes more sense to me

[vague token]

na

[finite valve]

dk lel

[outer stump]

I wonder what if you could control all the shellings direction and planes drops

[vague token]

50% is way higher

than 12

there's no way to mix that up

[finite valve]

@slate estuary question on doy 2 skill what does "first round" mean in context like the 1 shell of the 1 salvo or the 3 salvo of the first time she fires?

[mental sierra]

Okay so

the wiki says

entire first salvo

[finite valve]

better to just ask game guru lel

[mental sierra]

and in the case of sheffield

the wiki was right

and the game was wrong

[finite valve]

make sense lel

[vague token]

oh so the entire set of bullets

out of the full MGM?

[finite valve]

it going to be useless if it only affect the 1 shell lel

yes

[mental sierra]

if you're using 406, the first 3 of 9 bullets

[vague token]

but why does the skill pop up multiple times per battle O.o

before shells hit

just a weird property of the damage debuff?

[finite valve]

from the debuff?

[outer stump]

But somehow the skill still processing everytime she fires the shellins

[mental sierra]

because it's the first 3 of EVERY 9

[finite valve]

the debuff active on contact

[vague token]

it says per battle

on the wiki

[outer stump]

I think it's debuff

[finite valve]

so at the moment of impact the debuff is active

[mental sierra]

it doesn't say once per battle, it just says "during each battle"

[vague token]

mouse over salvo on the wiki

it says per battle in a foot note

[mental sierra]

Oh

[vague token]

xD

[leaden sequoia]

hover over "salvo"

[mental sierra]

weird

[outer stump]

@finite valve did you know that even her barrage applies the debuff wich is strange

[finite valve]

isn't each battle = once per battle?

[vague token]

well

if you go just by no foot note

[finite valve]

@outer stump intended lel

[vague token]

you could think it was every MGM set

[outer stump]

But it mentions main gun

[vague token]

gets one boosted by 50%

[finite valve]

the skill stated that enemies HIT by DOY

it never mention anything about barrage or salvo

so if DOY hit an enemies the debuff is active

[modern tree]

her barrage doesnt apply the damage amp, the slow just has the same effect cuz there is only one debuff vfx in the game

[vague token]

if you go purely by the in game text

[outer stump]

But the skill description tells that when main gun hits

[vague token]

it should be once per MGM set

[outer stump]

It's pretty confusing

[finite valve]

oh yeh hit by DOY main gun

and the barrage has the slow affect

forgot lel

[idle python]

It says main gun in there

[mental sierra]

@vague token I think you're right though. I definitely recall seeing the skill pop up multiple times. So it might be that " increases the damage of the first main gun salvo
fired by Duke of York by 20% (50%)" is once per battle but the skill triggers multiple times because "Enemies that are hit by Duke of York's main gun take an additional 3% (12%) damage for 8 seconds. " still triggers every time

[outer stump]

Cuz the barrage is a skill, not main gun

[finite valve]

yeh forgot to look at the 2 line

[leaden sequoia]

I think that proc pop is slow

[finite valve]

yeh just notice

[leaden sequoia]

not damage debuff

[finite valve]

DOY barrage has a sloe debuff

[mental sierra]

Concerto of Blood is the slow

red skill

[vague token]

the slow is pointless

[finite valve]

and the damage increase is only for main gun

[vague token]

since it works like WS

[mental sierra]

we've seen the yellow skill pop up multiple times per battle

[leaden sequoia]

errr

[vague token]

slow down that Main Fleet

[leaden sequoia]

fck

[vague token]

xD

[leaden sequoia]

12% damage

is what procs every time

[outer stump]

Then if the proc is the slow... Why it doesn't happend to ark royal too?

[finite valve]

isn't it just from the debuff tho?

[mental sierra]

Yes

that's how I'm interpreting it now

[leaden sequoia]

50% only first salvo

[finite valve]

since the yellow skill got 2 part

[mental sierra]

exactly what oxide just said

[vague token]

yeah, my only thing is that

based on IN GAME

you could think it was first gun shot

out of EVERY mgm set

[mental sierra]

yes

but I mean

in-game

[finite valve]

ark royal only has 1 debuff which is her slow

[vague token]

but the wiki is ONCE PER BATTLE

[mental sierra]

[finite valve]

so what do you mean?

er isn't once per battle = each battle?

[leaden sequoia]

who is talking to who right now?

this chat is a mess

[mental sierra]

[finite valve]

cus each battle is basically once per battle right?

[mental sierra]

I've checked out

[outer stump]

Oxide said that the pop proc is the slow but I don't think it makes sense since that thing means bonus damage

[finite valve]

or is my enrish that bad?

[outer stump]

Or I understood wrong

[leaden sequoia]

@outer stump I fixed myself

[vague token]

xD

[leaden sequoia]

that should be 12% damage debuff

that procs every salvo

the 50% part is only on first salvo every battle

[finite valve]

yeh

[vague token]

yeah

[outer stump]

Yeah but the skill said the 12% it procs only main gun

[finite valve]

the part that will affect everytime main gun hit is the 12%

[outer stump]

Then why the barrage does the same thing

[finite valve]

barrage is a slow

[leaden sequoia]

barrage is slow

[finite valve]

DOY barrage affect is a slow

not 12% damage increase

[vague token]

they only have 1 debuff effect

in the entire game

[outer stump]

Yeah but it gives the dark pop debuff above their head

[vague token]

although amagi's doesnt show a debuff effect strangely

it just exists

[outer stump]

Which means bonus damage

[vague token]

xD

no

[finite valve]

because they share the same visual lel

[vague token]

that effect is shared

[random vault]

game has limited graphics

[vague token]

between all of them

[leaden sequoia]

no, dark pop is debuff applied to enemy

[random vault]

[leaden sequoia]

like what Helena does

and Ark Royal

[finite valve]

just cus they share the same visual does not mean the affect is the same

like helena skill and ark slow

[outer stump]

I never saw it on ark......

[vague token]

yeah you just have to remember who is doing which

[finite valve]

both of them shows a dark circle

but they behave diff

[vague token]

use everyone and be confused which debuff is active

[leaden sequoia]

the 50% is buff to self, not debuff to enemy

[vague token]

xD

[outer stump]

I thought it was bonus damage

[leaden sequoia]

those are different things

[finite valve]

lel

[outer stump]

Then why aurora doesn't show that she debuffs them

[finite valve]

better brush up on your ark usage lel

passive

passive skill don't have visual on enemies

[leaden sequoia]

only active debuffs show up

[finite valve]

only on allies

[random vault]

also buffs like slowdown ark and helena debuff are temporary

aurora's one lasts as long as she lives

[outer stump]

I thought that dark pop was that they take bonus damage... Not even the slow too

[finite valve]

nope

[outer stump]

Damn the game is pretty confusing

[finite valve]

share same visual but diff affect

[leaden sequoia]

just any active debuff

will cause a dark pop

[outer stump]

I see

[leaden sequoia]

in that case

[outer stump]

I wonder why akashi gives those green + when she only heals, not Regens like Minneapolis

[leaden sequoia]

should Sendai's flare considered passive or active? 🤔

[finite valve]

also incase you didn't know but offensive skill will always over ride defendsive skill

in visual

[outer stump]

And Juneau doesn't give the same animations when she dies

[random vault]

active cause she doesnt fire em right from beginning of battle?

[outer stump]

Pretty strange

[leaden sequoia]

well, yeah

[finite valve]

her is a heal

[idle python]

For Sendai you'll see a pretty distinct (Eva down)

[finite valve]

not a buff

[idle python]

If they're in the flare

[outer stump]

But akashi passive is a heal too

[finite valve]

only akashi got that visual i think

[outer stump]

It's not like a buff that lasts

[finite valve]

none of the other healer got that visual

[outer stump]

Oh

Makes sense

[finite valve]

i think uni shouhou got the same visual just less noticeable

might be wrong

since i never focus on those shit lel

[outer stump]

Yeah

[leaden sequoia]

all heals have +green number heal afaik

though I don't have Akashi to check that

[finite valve]

nah he was asking about the green + visual from akashi

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, so I'm stuck here

[finite valve]

not the green number

[leaden sequoia]

[outer stump]

Is true that wasd will be better than foxes at later levels?

[finite valve]

too lazy to check

all you can do is test it yourself

yes

[idle python]

We don't know for sure

[random vault]

well u need one of those teams at 110 and an opponent who has them at 110 too

[outer stump]

Someone told me someday

[random vault]

too early to say

[outer stump]

And played in JP i suppose

[finite valve]

i think it is more like you not going to use foxes anymore with the current ship we have

[outer stump]

What do you mean?

What ship

Doy?

[finite valve]

since JP and CN already shift meta to nagato amagi and either Hiryuu or Taihou

[leaden sequoia]

iirc in the future foxes will be outclassed by Essex, Taihou, Centaur and Hiryuu Kai

[outer stump]

Is nagato barrage that strong?

[finite valve]

is her buff not barrage

[outer stump]

Wait wat

[finite valve]

same as amagi

[outer stump]

I forgot about her buff

But I don't thought it was a thing

[leaden sequoia]

buff is yellow skill, barrage red

[outer stump]

Much broken

[finite valve]

since when is JP not broken

nation with most broken ships in the game

[outer stump]

Still wonder when USS will shine

[leaden sequoia]

it is kinds shining in CN/JP right now

[finite valve]

yeh

[leaden sequoia]

with Shangri-La as 2nd Essex-class

[outer stump]

Huh?

[finite valve]

what with all the essex class coming lel

like 3 ships in a row are all her sister

fucking rekt

[outer stump]

Essex?

[finite valve]

@outer stump https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Category:Essex_Class

[leaden sequoia]

we'll get her in the anniversary event just like JP did, I think

with Taihou and co.

[vague token]

aka the Enterprise please notice us ships

[finite valve]

lel

[vague token]

[finite valve]

kouhais are thirsty for senpai affection

what else does anniversary got?

since essex and taihou pretty much steal the show lel

[leaden sequoia]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/1_Year_Anniversary

Albacore as a Taihou bulli for memes

[random vault]

new skins

[leaden sequoia]

[finite valve]

soft porn and another shit which i never going to use

meh

useless

[leaden sequoia]

but dat Sodak backless dress

ummhh

[finite valve]

was talking about ship not skin lel

[leaden sequoia]

ik

[outer stump]

I wonder when Valkira Dominion will be released

I've heard there was an event in JP

[finite valve]

tbh i like tootbuki more

[outer stump]

I want Jean Bart so badly

[finite valve]

been growing on me through 4chan

ah jb

the only event where i will farm d2 till the end of event

fuck d3

[random vault]

french fry event

[outer stump]

There are the sirens again aren't they?

[finite valve]

yep

also worth mention d2 drop best DD gun in the entire game

[outer stump]

I mean at Winters Crown I farmed D3 like frazy

[random vault]

eternal grinding for the gun

[outer stump]

I mean if I've got a battleship/carrier I was the most happy person

Because they don't deal so much damage

[finite valve]

lucky that d3 does not drop jb

if they add jb as drop in d3 it might be hard choice

[outer stump]

JB isn't exchange only?

[finite valve]

but since she does not drop there no reason to farm d3

lel

yep

[outer stump]

Had anyone got doy from D3/b3?

I still didn't

[finite valve]

d3 drop a shit boat which is over shadow by jb

got 1

[outer stump]

Now to think about it I've got jintsuu while I was clearning 10-4... I don't think I would get the same luck for 11-4

[finite valve]

well at least 11-4 got everything you would want

good bp drop / good exp ratio

[outer stump]

All the ships are good?

[finite valve]

not bad tbh

ofc not lel

[outer stump]

Columbia is Cleveland class so I hope she should be better

[finite valve]

she is average

[leaden sequoia]

considered worst Cleveland by most because of her flagship protection niche skill

[outer stump]

[leaden sequoia]

still, worst Cleveland is an average boat

[finite valve]

isn't denver(?) the worst?

[outer stump]

What about Sendai?

[finite valve]

sendai is sendai class bro

[leaden sequoia]

I don't think so

[outer stump]

I mean ship now

[finite valve]

oh

well good for pvp

not so much for pve

[leaden sequoia]

Denver has FP 40% self buff, so could be a solo DPS gunboat, I guess

[outer stump]

I think I will need to get 12 ships to 110 to begin w11

[finite valve]

lel

[outer stump]

I wonder if someone started to play around there

[split socket]

u can do w11 with lv100 ships

[random vault]

its not that bad until u need 12 ships

[finite valve]

look into #trophy-room and you will know lel

[leaden sequoia]

meanwhile some peeps cleared with lvl 100 already

[outer stump]

Defuq

Just how

[finite valve]

ppl already clear w11 left and right lel

zombie / china ball fleet

[outer stump]

W10 was already hell to me whit 100

[split socket]

w10 was actually harder than w11 🤔

[finite valve]

those 2 are the most popular atm

[leaden sequoia]

w10 had annoying bosses, w11 apparently not so much

[finite valve]

also ppl are manualing da fuck out of w11

so that is another reason why

[leaden sequoia]

wehl, that's Manual Lane for ya

[vague token]

gah, playing the game

[finite valve]

the humanity

what kind of animal would do that in my auto lane?

[vague token]

all i want is for auto, and pvp, to have selectable movement patterns

[outer stump]

I still can't believe how tf

[vague token]

including main fleet

[outer stump]

But anyway as I said before... The game has weird mechanics

[finite valve]

@outer stump like i said either zombie (mahan kai / phoenix) or china wall (yat sen + ping + ning kai)

[leaden sequoia]

the game always had convoluted mechanics

cough AA cough

[finite valve]

altho tbh i dk if you really need ning ping kai to work

[random vault]

great wall of china

[outer stump]

I just go Cleveland and done

[finite valve]

yeh the bonus stat might be good

[vague token]

china trio is great

30% flat evade rate lol

before any stats

[finite valve]

but i see that yat sen is more importent

yeh i know

[leaden sequoia]

finally somewhere chinawall can be justified, I guess

[finite valve]

my question is do you really need to kai and max ping ning skill to work?

[outer stump]

And the CN fleet still unmaxed

[finite valve]

as far as i see yat sen is the anchor

not ning ping

[vague token]

yat sen has the evade skill

without her you dont get the durability

[finite valve]

yep

hence the question

do you NEED to kai ning ping and max their skill?

[vague token]

you should

[outer stump]

In w11 are usually Inn?

[vague token]

your damage suffers

[outer stump]

Ijn

[vague token]

and they do very little already

[finite valve]

should =/= must

cus if i should i can just put heavy hitting backline

[leaden sequoia]

I can see the situation in 2 ways

"they do little damage, need to buff"
and
"they do little damage already, why bother buffing"

which is correct then

[vague token]

both

xD

the better question is how much gold, skill books, and retro bps do you have

[finite valve]

but then most ppl are already using hard hitting back line with max china ball already

so i dk if i should max them just cus

seeing that zombie also work

meh

just going to stick to zombie

useless china ball can just be bench warmer when i done with all the kai

zzz

[leaden sequoia]

just try it out yourself and see if it works

[finite valve]

yat sen skill is not max

going to try after i max her

so 5 days lel

aint wasting shit on cockroach that can't deal dps for shit

[vague token]

lol

getting all these dork mvps so she can get awakened =D

beautiful

[finite valve]

i am lvling hood first

since she is better for pve anyway

[leaden sequoia]

same thing with mvp, but Tirpz

[twin glacier]

I've heard that heavy cruisers are going to start becoming good now past level 100, is it worth investing in heavy cruisers for PVP? Does the type matter (i.e. gunboat vs torpboat)?

[vague token]

eh

not yet

on the gunnery

she's just a pure tank

[shy hazel]

ofc using cas also means youll get more dmg fromcvs

portkai has enuf armor to tank planes though

[vague token]

and thick bulges

most hp

out of our current set of CAs

benefits immensely from pearl and juneau dying before her

but her damage is pretty bad

115 gun efficiency

=/

fairly low FP for a retro ship

[ionic magnet]

50 peeps with 2200+ scores

[vague token]

[ionic magnet]

thats double the normal

[charred sable]

It's possible to have enough chips to lvl 105 three ships already?.:O

[ionic magnet]

yes its very possible

[vague token]

you gotta go abuse the 3 star

[ionic magnet]

3 star w7 hm and w11

my pvp ships are all 105 now

haven't even started w11

based jesus only needed 80 chips

[shy hazel]

ican grab rank 8 rn

but i gotta wait

are you really gonna use jun on w11 though

[modern tree]

Juneau in w11 is totally legit and it's all kinds of funny

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

run her as a repair ship with damage

[ionic magnet]

shes kinda my last option cos im sure it will work but thats A rank only

[charred sable]

Omfg, I forgot about w7 hard mode

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

what the hell are these people doing??

just don't get it

[vague token]

xD

[lament lichen]

Pulling a darkova

[hybrid tendon]

Well

Got it on the first wave

Also 2222

[vague token]

hmm, someone brave running 108 aya

[buoyant parrot]

so what do we have here

[vague token]

owo

[vale juniper]

Mine 4 shipfus already awakened to lvl 105 lol

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

I was kinda wondering Why go for Sheffy if you can Go Aurora?

@zenith tundra ☝

[shy hazel]

zack is experimenting

sheff is v good in theory bevause of all those crit buffs

[buoyant parrot]

hmmm I see

I have a project with him

HMS Fleet

[finite valve]

which is better doy amagi hood or wasd amagi?

thought

[buoyant parrot]

WASDA that's what I've been using

[finite valve]

for pvp ofc

[buoyant parrot]

AMAGI and HOOD is good depending on what preferences and team you associate them with

[finite valve]

i can lvl break 2 more SR next day so asking for opinion on which is better in pvp atm

well like i said doy amagi and hood

[buoyant parrot]

since Im tired of using WASDA now, we talked yesterday I'm convinced to go back Royal Navy

[finite valve]

so you going to use qe?

[buoyant parrot]

my current setup is Dork, QE, Hood - Belfast, Sheffy, Jesus

[finite valve]

i think amagi is going to be better then qe tbh

amagi buff barrage is way better then what qe can offer

[buoyant parrot]

yes but QE works in synergy with the rest of the HMS ships

[finite valve]

need to test more tbh

[buoyant parrot]

and hence that's the current project now.

my only concern here is Sheffy

[finite valve]

also i think iam going to random belfap depend on whether i vs foxes or not

[buoyant parrot]

she's the weakest link in my team right now

[finite valve]

already got her max

[buoyant parrot]

its not about her being max

its just that I find her HP quite low

[finite valve]

2 tool box her and put her in mid?

[buoyant parrot]

I had to compromise gears in order for my entire fleet to gain benefit out of her Shiny Sheffy

[finite valve]

tbh i think you should scrap her and use either aurora or sendai tbh

[buoyant parrot]

I'm having doubts on her skills I find aurora very useful in this kind of situation. But heck this is an experiment so meh~

[finite valve]

fair point

but then again is the 30% reduce really affect fight that much?

against burst dmg i mean

i can see it having an impact on stall fight

[buoyant parrot]

well the goal is to have your Backline stay alive longer

[finite valve]

against foxes i dk

[buoyant parrot]

I wouldnt worry about Foxes

Dork and Hood is wearing 381

sniper at its finest

[finite valve]

where is WS kai when you need her lel

[vague token]

ws kai isnt hms meta anymore though xD

[buoyant parrot]

Id definitely go WS Kai and Monarch with QE now thats Ultimate HMS

[vague token]

it's literally just WS kai and anyone else

[finite valve]

if only QE was good

we only use her cus of the buff

useless queen

meh

[buoyant parrot]

true

[vague token]

he buff is super boring

her*

not even an accuracy buff =/

warspite really appreciates those glasses

[buoyant parrot]

[zenith tundra]

i think hms need the vg to stay alive unlike wasd. hms cannot tank akaga dmg because of the poor aa plus u actually have barrge damage so killining vgs in not a priority

[finite valve]

well jesus belfap and fortune is just the go to comp for hms lel

[buoyant parrot]

My Sheffy will be oath later

[finite valve]

now that we have columbia i think iam going to use her instead of fortune

[zenith tundra]

can fortune survive sendai aurora?

[buoyant parrot]

why not use Clevebro

shes better than columbia

[finite valve]

columbia cus of her skill lel

flag ship protection

[buoyant parrot]

fair enough

[zenith tundra]

protect the useless queen lol

[finite valve]

if sendai and aurora is a problem you can use the pudding port kai and jesus combo

since if you using hms VG dps matter little

so many possibilities lel

this is what i like

theory crafting

[zenith tundra]

portkai doesnt offer anything

[finite valve]

tanking so back line can deal dps

since if you vs foxes no way they can with stand 3 BB dps

[vague token]

why not consider a sheffield + dps CA