#pvp
coral wren
zenith tundra
w11 patch in 14th maintenance? what are the chances
jovial sedge
so tried this sandbag thing and it helped me shit im 30 points behind top : / and the guy ive been checking which was always around to 10 spot is still 4 and with 26 more points
haughty latch
What is sandbagging
jovial sedge
so basicly seems the whole sandbagging doesnt work...
modern tree
works on my machine
zenith tundra
sandbagging is intentionally keep us score low so u can get extra bonuses from people who rush their attempts
jovial sedge
ye but by that logic the guy should be far behind actually he should be behind me >< yet he is 26p ahead and still doing his round right after reset
zenith tundra
i have 10/10 attempts and with all +10(minimum) i can get 19pts ahead of current 1st
haughty latch
how do you know if you have + points
jovial sedge
i dont know ive been waiting rounds ... not rushing keeping much further ahead people in option... and im 30 points behind : /
zenith tundra
u can check top 100 if the opponent is in there or just based on rank tho it takes some experience to know the right time sometimes when to attack
modern tree
if you have actually been collecting bonuses then you missed your games
zenith tundra
if u were behind before u won't just catch up easily
leaden sequoia
I remember you not sandbagging at the start of the season which is why you're so behind right now
zenith tundra
especially that a lot of bonuses comes from season start
for now on u get max +2 bonus and mostly +1
jovial sedge
so would say if you luck out someone at start who rush things.. basicly u get head start
modern tree
you know when you are getting extras by figuring out how much rank difference at any given point in the season is required for those, since you can only check the points of top 100. It's just gonna come with experience, but you wait, relog before you play out your games and if you see a huge gap betwen you and the guy on the left, you cash in, repeat
jovial sedge
yeh i got that for now
zenith tundra
that's it. also u need consistency to be really competitive
modern tree
except now its too late to get ahead cuz the most you will ever get is extra 2
zenith tundra
consistency in sandbagging
jovial sedge
but for me the game is kinda bugged there.. i need to reset the whole game and everytime i do that my opponents reset cos when pvp tries reset they dont reset on my game must relog
modern tree
yes
ionic magnet
the most important period in sandbagging is the first 3-4 days of the season. if you mess up there, it would be really hard, if not impossible, to catch up
modern tree
relogging
leaden sequoia
they're not supposed to reset if you don't use an attempt, relog or use a refresh
modern tree
is the thing you will be doing a lot if you wanna be competitive about it
zenith tundra
ur opponent list doesn't change unless u fight an opponent or refresh trough new opponent button
modern tree
if you think your list changed after relog, its most likely someone playing their games or changing av
zenith tundra
when u log out and log in ur opponent list updates to the current score/rank they have
jovial sedge
but my opponent list change when i relog
modern tree
your opponents list updates when you relog
you will still have the 4 names you had before
leaden sequoia
it should change rank positions but not names
modern tree
okay, record it
leaden sequoia
if by relog you mean the blue "New Opponent" button, that's not what we meant
ionic magnet
jovial sedge
i turn application off and start it
leaden sequoia
that's another way to do it, but it's slower
zenith tundra
refresh gives every time new opponents
leaden sequoia
log in/out takes 3 seconds max, while starting AL app can take 10-15 secs
jovial sedge
yes but when i turn off aplication and start it... it happened that whole opponents changed
modern tree
okay, record it
jovial sedge
ifll figure it out how
zenith tundra
this is after closing my app and reopening it
their rank changed but same opponents
modern tree
I have some regrets
livid fractal
zenith tundra
before i refresh i had sandbaggers after dead people. kinda regret refreshing
hybrid obsidian
everyones trying too hard
lul
unless if you want to end season in top, sandbag or not doesnt matter
anyhow, any news on when new cap and world appear? 
vague token
i dont think they've tweeted that yet
there's a patch for adding exp storage in a few days though?
ionic magnet
march 14th prolly
vague token
really? i thought the 14th would just be turning off the WC event xD
ionic magnet
no patch notes yet
vague token
true
ionic magnet
we'll see but im hoping 
vague token
subs for pvp jk
hybrid obsidian
zenith tundra
research should be after w11. for now i would like that all the posts wouldn't be soon(tm) and the only one with a date has no content to it
vague token
so like
does dork's damage amp
calculate into the shot that applies it?
cause im not seeing her first shot do less damage then the next salvo
zenith tundra
doy's all 1st 3 mg attack get boosted by the 50% extra damage. all consecutive hits on same target gain also the extra damage from debuff
zenith tundra
the debuff is not counted the 1st hit only consecutive ones
vague token
maybe it's just rng damage variance
zenith tundra
i'm pretty sure that's how it works
vague token
i mean that's how i would expect it to work
the first shot would do less and apply debuff
then the rest would do the 12% more
zenith tundra
with 410 is easiest to see imo
since it has dmg x hit
the difference i noticed with 1st salvo bonus was from 4.3 to 4.8k
vague token
gotta wait for 2nd gun shot xD
then again fight isnt lasting to 2nd salvo before she dies or they die reee
zenith tundra
... i don't think i explained it well enough then
410 shoots 2 projectiles for shoot
vague token
yes, the first projectile to land should do less
apply debuff
and the 2nd should show more
zenith tundra
why do u need to wait for 2nd gun shoot then?
vague token
because on first salvo
you get 50% boost
so wouldnt know the original damage
xD
so the first one would show like 2k or w/e
the rest would show 1100 or so?
zenith tundra
not really
should be 66.66% dmg of 1st shoot
if 1st hit 2k 2nd should be 1.3k
because 1.3k+50%=2k
zenith tundra
use her top
vague token
she was
zenith tundra
rip
vague token
cudas and torps USUALLY dont hit top much but sometimes rng says you die
i need a slow mo for this xD
yeah i just saw a 999 then 1k hit
but lemme keep watching
finite valve
so w11 is on 14th heh
sendai rush ftw?
i am personally going to farm for agano or columbia tbh
zenith tundra
should be no confirmation yet tho
zenith tundra
columbia can root there like honolulu in w10 for all i care
zenith tundra
i'm poor so no
vague token
lol no
finite valve
zenith tundra
it should be on the 14th but who knows
vague token
oh wait i can just use a weaker level 100 fleet and then just remove everyone
why am i making this hard on myself
zenith tundra
solo doy should work too
zenith tundra
4hrs and no bonuses
vague token
oof
zenith tundra
yeah
now u need +35 instead of the most likely 25 from before
what rank did u attck?
ionic magnet
i was 1050 or smth and attacked rank ~300
zenith tundra
makes sense... pre 1k stacking has begun
ionic magnet
yea prolly need top 100 atleast
zenith tundra
i usually try and camp 1k too not sure what to do now
zenith tundra
... 1050pts
primal wing
I just wanted to get 1st one time. I’m happy now 
hot creek
my bonuses have been kind of shit this season....only 12 points above r1 when im usually 20+ above.
score check, anyone? Im at 1072 with 8/10
finite valve
1083 7/10
zenith tundra
1061 9/10
modest elbow
looks like i'm pretty low, 1055 9/10
odd schooner
finite valve
unless you plaining to rank 1 end of season
zenith tundra
dead lists and sandbaggers don't help
finite valve
that is good enough for aotn rush
zenith tundra
it's just a season who cares
shy hazel
zenith tundra
i already decided that i'm gonna rush next season attempts and see what my scores are. also wanna see my final score after just rushing
finite valve
hot creek
getting a sandbagger in your list garauntees you at least one round of bonus points if the others in the list don't move.
unless of course you get someone like me who does their pvp in the last 5 mins before rest
hot creek
and risk losing a charge
zenith tundra
sandbaggers at 10/10 are cancer
shy hazel
depending on your timezone
zenith tundra
even 9/10 is not that great
shy hazel
reset will also change times
hot creek
nah, you want a 10/10 sandbagger because that would force them to start their pvps earlier to mitigate risk
shy hazel
because daylight savings
i hope more ppl will have accidents because they din give a fuck about the change
odd schooner
hot creek
someone at 8/10 they only have to rush 3 matches
shy hazel
imagine waking up at the usual time expecting u still have an hour left
then realize daylight savings
so reset is an hour earlier
hot creek
how nice, maybe I can go to sleep earlier after DST
zenith tundra
only 40 behind looks kinda suspicious u can get +20 1st day over a rusher
shy hazel
i mean i just dont rly have any idea on sandbagging
i did all my rounds within the first 30 seconds
minutes*
of each reset
lol
zenith tundra
i'll try and do them around halfway reset
because it's easy to get rusher in ur list at the beginning of a reset i'm more curious for like 6-7-8/10 attempts where i should be as score
zenith tundra
+1 this whole reset 
odd schooner
I already pushed too lmao
Ye same
Got scammed on 2nd match
3 matches pushed me r800 to r200
zenith tundra
1k stack
coral wren
uhm... I am 1092 with 10/10 atm and I am at rank 499. isnt this abit too close to top 100 this early?
is my server fking dead or have the amount of ppl playing pvp dropped drasticly
coral wren
oh so its not just washington. maybe I rmemebered it wrong. I remember being further away before
ionic magnet
well it just reset so expect to move back to 1k later in the day
coral wren
03:25 here 
yeah I am fully expecting ppl to go forward. hopefully the one in my list xaxaxax
attack or wait for him to drop even more
hes like at 1132
odd schooner
Check his points on ranking list
coral wren
I did
odd schooner
That is your decision now
odd schooner
Since it's not yet been an hour and he stopped pushing, I'd atk and camp another shikikan
At least that's a guaranteed +1
coral wren
disturbing defense fleet
upbeat hollow
who cares
coral wren
upbeat hollow
coral wren
are there anymore big tiddy vanguard except for belfast 
coral wren
oh my. never looked at them
upbeat hollow
st louis as well
coral wren
is jintsuu big or nah
upbeat hollow
i guess technically cygnet and ya jintsuu is
upbeat hollow
just gotta get jintsuu/lvl the others
upbeat hollow
u right
coral wren
ohh someone is climbing again. at r300 hopefully this person will use all charges 
hybrid tendon
but amagi's barrage is 6 s
eldridge helped me a lot
in the early pvp
when enty run amok
vague token
i mean eldridge was mostly mandatory during e meta
hybrid tendon
enty meta was sudden death
the damage sometime is too much you cant react fast enough to reset
vague token
xD
once aurora came out i had no problems during e meta
minne/aurora/eldridge out guns stall vanguard
with the 203 mounted i just melted whoever was the lead ship
could kill juneau before the 20 no problem
charred sable
Tfw r1 shows up on your attack list but you still only get 1 bonus point 
vague token
rip
pearl nimbus
vague token
lol
coral wren
coral wren
Sigh. Fell asleep on 9/10
coral wren
Fuck this timezone
leaden sequoia
I hope you don't break your gensui streak because of that
vague token
hmm, 5 more days to 800 core data i think
odd schooner
Just woke up now. I did wake up earlier and pushed all 4 matches 
What's weird is that i dreamed of finishing my pvp tries before time. Good thing i really woke up LMAO
shy hazel
odd schooner
shy hazel
that is what happens when u get occupational disease
suddenly wake up at night
when u think u didnt do your rounds
but u did anyways
and now u cant sleep
brittle hill
Alright boys, Nagato is coming soon™ what is the T0 fleet, Hiryuu kai, Amagi, Nagato, Sendai Jintsuu Aurora?
modern tree
nagato amagi wants tanky front and not a dumb torp meme
shame all frontline IJN ships we have are torp memes so it will be something like Jintsuu Juneau Belfast or similar
brittle hill
So for Amakaga teams you'd want the Aurora/Sendai meme but anyone know how itd fair vs Jintsuu Belfast junaue?
Cause given my shit luck with drop rates I'm not sure which ship I should farm for
modern tree
nobody relly knows how it will play out because lvl 110 arrives before any events and CN/JP has been beyond that for a long while, who would remember it
shy hazel
what basis do we have that nagato is coming soon
modern tree
hell, 110 arriving before Nagato means wasd is probably gonna be a top team for a while
and we have none, people are just quoting last scene f WC as if it was indication of anything
modern tree
or it can refer to absolutely nothing in particular if EN was not meant to get the rerun
srs tho, wasd amagi with Juneau X Portland at 110 with shells gonna be nasty
odd schooner
Ppl keep spreading the pic
And source is untraceable
But if you look at it, next test map should be nagato map in the story
clear cloud
columbia 25% flagship protection 
looks nice
modern tree
unless you are using Cleave right now, you probably wouldnt use her either
mostly because Juneau has more or less the same niche, big AA, 25% more hp etc
Columbia is a pve monster tho
zenith tundra
columbia is t1.5 in jp not sure how she's a monster
modern tree
I would explain it but you used a tier list as an argument so I wont.
pearl nimbus
Imagine a ship that makes your Amagi/Nagato tankier, that's Columbia 
zenith tundra
that's it?
modern tree
she gives them 25% more health, which is exactly what Juneau does so unless you are going to run them both, Juneau going to be better considering she gives that health to your whole fleeettt in terms of pvp, in pve you dont really want to sink your ships for this health
pearl nimbus
And Columbia doesn't have to die, so that's a big plus.
I mean I still personally won't run her, but she seems fine.
clear cloud
only active when she is alive tho
pearl nimbus
Then don't let her sink 4Head
clear cloud
against torp meme and amakaga ?
clear cloud
i mean here is pvp channel
pearl nimbus
Not wrong lmao
I doubt we'll see any Columbia in PvP
Especially considering Cleve is hardly used rn
modern tree
Like I said, her being a gunboat is irrelavent in pvp. Her having huge AA is relevant but Juneau scores higher on that. Juneau increases your flagships hp by 25%, but also your whole fleets. If you have a flagship that can win the game on its own, maybe you'd run them both, but I am not sure if boats like this exist. Enterprise with that may be funny?
arctic blade
what 2ndary gun to put on BB/BC in pvp?
elder crane
Gold 127 for DpS and AA is the usual choice
155 imo can be decent too, on offense, for the extra range and higher burst
finite valve
dual 127 for any ship that can only equip DD sec
for ship that can use DD and CL gun you need to know whether your VG going to die first or not
if your VG going to die before the enemies then use 127 to shoot them down
elder crane
Since the secondary guns on a BB can just barely reach enemy vanguard sometimes on offense
finite valve
if your VG going to live everytime then use 155
elder crane
The AA stat on the 127 is actually significant though
For most ships, it'll give about 5% aviation dmg reduction
(relevant stat for calculation is AA+150, and eHP vs all sources of aviation dmg scales by a factor proportional to that value)
Super high AA ships don't really need it as much, since the extra AA doesn't scale as well, but most of those can only run DD secs 
elder crane
Probably not in most cases
But it does depend on what teams you face and what loadout you run, I think
vague token
aurora is squishy but amakaga doesnt really mind that
cause you either attack first
or attack same time
aurora is a detriment if you arent running foxes but are going against foxes
because it's highly likely she'll die between barrage, torps, and air strike
elder crane
Most teams have enough %eva on DD/CL vanguards for Aurora to be really useful, for foxes
vague token
thus not doing anything
finite valve
@arctic blade i am running sirius jintsuu aurora for foxes
more consistence then belfap
elder crane
She's still useful for boosting torps, and her high AA helps mitigate plane suicide damage. Useful on a team that wants to trade out vanguard quickly
Juneau still my preference over Sirius for amkaga
finite valve
using a ship just to have her die over and over for your own personal gain
what kind of shitkikan are you?
arctic blade
@elder crane so you run juneau, jintsuu, aurora
elder crane
Yep, imo the most consistent setup for now
Though there's not too much diff for any of the non-torpmeme setups for attacking
arctic blade
i only ask because i haven't been able to build aurora yet, but i have literally every thing else, so trying to make a competitive team without aurora, which looks like it's gonna be hard
elder crane
If you're facing bel, smoke+flare is still positive %eva boost, so not entirely
elder crane
But you shoot second, which can be an issue
vague token
i mean, with no aurora you arent really contesting a vanguard wipe
might as well boost your potential damage with a 406?
especially if you shoot backline
modern tree
I really like how Sheff sort of forces me to run Fortune instead of Juneau against non Aurora teams because I never take nearly enough damage on vg with her.
elder crane
Sendai flares gives potentially a bigger boost to akaga strike than Aurora skill
modern tree
you can time Sendai flare for Amagi barrage and then fox strike which is just dumb
elder crane
So it still murders vanguards
And Sendai torp boost and better torp stats means you don't lose out much, if any, on opening torps
modern tree
I think you'd still run double debuff + either Jintsuu or Juneau depending on preference
but Sendai being IJN makes Jintsuu cutable
elder crane
Once Sendai comes, Jintsuu won't be auto include for amkaga, so maybe we'll see some more vanguard variety
vague token
i feel like torp pressure goes down though without jintsuu
finite valve
more or less?
vague token
like the crit boosts and reload are big
elder crane
I'll personally try out Jun/Sir/Sendai
finite valve
that is less then more lol
elder crane
See if we can boost strike enough to mostly cut out torpRNG
finite valve
not like it matter much on off
since either way you going to nuke VG either way
just use whatever tbh
vague token
xD
elder crane
Yeah, but current teams need torps to somewhat land to wipe a good vanguard
finite valve
not really
i have times when my torp RNG is just that bad
miss VG but hit back line
elder crane
Which usually happens but is still RNG that might be mitigatable
finite valve
foxes + amagi melt their VG
finite valve
still doesn't change the fact that what kill VG is not torp but the back line
if you hit perfect torp RNG then good for you
but torp is not needed to nuke VG
elder crane
Amkaga by itself can't guarantee a kill right now
vague token
as someone who runs port kai, amakaga definitely isnt enough to wipe me lol
elder crane
Yeah, but if yours is wiped it becomes quite risky
finite valve
which let be real off will always win in the end
comp only worth their salt if you can win in def
elder crane
Like current loss conditions for amkaga mirror are:
Your VG wiped but not theirs, and 2nd set of torps land
All VG wiped and you somehow lose the backline duel
finite valve
most of my loss are just due to bad RNG from opening torp
elder crane
Having primary strike being able to solo guarantee a kill removes first possibility
finite valve
and no those are just jintsuu ayaya and aurora
never once did my VG lose to any port kai fiesta
elder crane
And 2nd is very rare if juneau is run
finite valve
if anything port kai is just auto win
vague token
why would CA on defense ever be anything
gun fights lose automatically to 20% damage on attack
only torps can win on defense
because misses can turn back into dps on the backline
a missed gun shot is 0 damage
vague token
i thought we were talking attack lol
elder crane
Honestly off at this point is trying to:
Get that last 5% win chance
Make resetting easier
Make matches faster
vague token
defense is a meme
finite valve
well like i said
vague token
until yostar makes symmetrical battlefield layout
finite valve
off will always win
there is 0 way you going to lose on off
that is almost a fact
unless you lose due to RNG
vague token
i mean, if we ONLY took away 20% damage boost
offense would be at disadvantage
because torp pressure is strong
finite valve
if you really want to compare comp you should do it on def
elder crane
We're trying to optimize that last RNG chance though, for the heck of it
finite valve
that is the true test of what a comp is worth
elder crane
And resetting means off will always always win as long as that is present
vague token
like, you'd have to remove the positional advantage defense has
for us to figure out better defense
xD
elder crane
Positional isn't all advantage though
vague token
it is
if you run torps vs guns
torps win on defense easily
no 20% offense boost
a waste gun shot is 0 damage
a missed torp is potentially more damage on backline
vague token
i almost never see CL guns matter, they usually whiff
against triple CL or double CL + DD
elder crane
Also a slight difference in BB shot flight time
Belgun always lands some hits as offense secondaries
vague token
yeah, but how impactful is 1 random bullet every so often
elder crane
And nothing ever as def secondaries
vague token
it's like 100 damage
compared to eating a crit torp
for 2k
on main fleet
the most important part
elder crane
It's more like 150-200, and you can get in over 10 hits easily
vague token
maybe if you run triple hms bb lol
elder crane
Vanguard HP is lower too
Overall still less impactful but still a consideration
vague token
it's basically
hp for hp it isnt worth as much
a torp hitting backline
is valuable
doing 150-200 on enemy vanguard
is not valuable
it doesnt speed up their kill time
they'll still die to the MG bb shots
or planes
elder crane
It's more like 500-1k, and it does make things overall faster
vague token
maybe i just never used hms so i seriously doubt running triple belgun backline matters xD
since hms is still about main fleet fights anyways
vague token
500-1k sounds like a non factor when it doesnt speed up the kill
aka at the 10
from barrage + air strike
unless you are really unlucky
elder crane
Makes things more consistent
And the unlucky cases are the only ones that matter for off anyways right now, since you win otherwise
vague token
i mean, id rather take 5-6% more ehp from a 127
thanks to amagi's AA being garbage
then kill someone who already dies
xD
but yeah, basically for me
torp damage is more valuable
because it hits the important people
instead of the vanguard
if it misses
you get 2nd chance
guns dont get a 2nd chance
torps basically get 2 dice rolls to see if they do 0 damage
guns get 1 dice roll
it's obvious which is better
ionic magnet
another day another argument on amakaga VGs
vague token
well, i mostly mean in terms of if we take away 20% attacker boost
defense torps is clearly superior
to any other formation
ionic magnet
jintsuu aurora jesus folks
vague token
the only way for true fleet balance is symmetrical map and no damage boost xD
no torps hitting main fleet, or only if the vanguard pushes all the way forward
kek
idle python
that would be a sick meme is they did fuck it up again but you can probably reach gensui if they don't either way if that's all you care about
vague token
weird lol
vague token
xD
sharp obsidian
With Level 110 coming along, which PVP Ships are you all going to prioritize to 110 ASAP? 😃
ionic magnet
amagi jintsuu and maybe foxes
modern tree
hms cuz they are my go to farm fleet and also someone has to do it
vague token
hood and amagi are easy since they work pretty much fine in pve
ill be leveling dork, she should work fine
sour oasis
I'm still a bit salty a gatcha ship is leading meta, but I've been stuck in foxmines since August. (Wait was Amagi a gacha ship?)
modest elbow
event build only, yeah
sour oasis
Ouch.
vague token
it'll hurt though
modern tree
most of the ridiculous BBs are event only, you sort of get used to that
vague token
xD
ionic magnet
just roll hms like dax
sour oasis
I'm still considering an alternative/counter to Jints and Aurora. (Two ships I don't have/kill me)
vague token
you can only really soft counter torps
modern tree
I think Sheff shits on torps, actually
modern tree
dont have huge sample size so far but I honestly am considering dumping Juneau because she doesnt die on offense
vague token
i should try that lol
vague token
xD
modern tree
its probably a little more reasonable on defense
sour oasis
I've been leaning heavily of Eldridge hoping a.) torps don't immediately ko her, and b.) rainbow activates
vague token
modest elbow
akaga usually destroys eld
sour oasis
Sad super rare-less life. (Usually; i gamble on the rarity)
ionic magnet
leander is your best bet against opening torps i guess
modern tree
Zack was just doing testing with it to see how sheffs skill changes for pvp. I think it's not unreasonable tho. Shes about as glassy as Suffolk and Suffolk can easily fit under Sheffs HP
sour oasis
@ionic magnet why leander?
sour oasis
Is smoke effective?
vague token
but leander is bulkier than them
40% evade rate boost
i mean, if you like gambling you can pray bailey procs interference on amagi though
xD
such a mysterious skill
modern tree
Leanders smoke increases evasion rate by a flat amount, which increses your effective HP by a lot
it works to an extent
sour oasis
Still. A front of Leander-Bell-Juneau just doesn't seem powerful other than surviving the 1st torp wave
vague token
on offense torps rarely hit backline
you're just there to sweep with mainfleet
and then blow things up
sour oasis
I'm not convinced gambling on Eldridge surviving long enough to activate Rainbow isn't my best way of keeping my backfleet alive longest.
vague token
also note that leander has artillery command cruiser
modern tree
I guess it depends on how much more you want from your vg? surviving is usually the only thing other than torps you can do on en
sour oasis
Surviving is what I want... I just want it to survive all of an IJN fleet opening salvo
vague token
oh, who is Acasta, she gets smoke AND flag protection
that's a good combo
must be event
sour oasis
That means three waves of torps, amagi death, and 2 bomber waves
If my vg dies at any point in that burst, my main dies almost instantly after. If any live, my bf can blanket the field with hellfire.
modern tree
the tankiest you can honestly go is something like Belfast /w Pearl Juneau Portkai and watch your backline die to plane suicide damage
sour oasis
Yeah. That's usually the best scenario I've seen going up against 13k pvp fleets
But at that point my vg outlasts theirs and is whittling away at their bf. At that point it's a gamble of "can I win before they send out more planes"
vague token
too bad deutschland and graf spee dont have MGM+1
would be fun to try them with sheffield
35% more damage against CL/DD heh
sour oasis
Ah. I want them to rerun when I have a week off... (them and ryuujou were so short)
strange shuttle
who would be best to break 100 first?
random vault
prob anyone you'd use the most in pvp/pve?
after the short maint im probably gonna grind akaga a bit
pearl nimbus
Amagi.
shy hazel
amagi jintsuu
vague token
do you mean OG hood gun or Hood Gun Kai xD
random vault
he prob meant the gold 381
vague token
probably, but just checking
stoic vector
the core data one
vague token
id check their speeds i guess
random vault
just use the +10 410
vague token
i think the +10 is better
stoic vector
109x2 and 16.87 s vs 154x2 and 17.54 s
vague token
that's a lot of gun damage lost for only .7 seconds xD
elder crane
It's 133x2, the gold gun
Oh, at +7, no wonder
Yeah, I would use a +10 ofc, but at max the DpS is very similar for ~10% faster reload time
odd schooner
random vault
can akagi/kaga survive w9 solo
odd schooner
Today is a slow day
ionic magnet
i farmed affection for foxes in 8-4 so yea i'd guess they can still do w9 just fine
not much firebotes there iirc
ionic magnet
well depends on your vanguards too if you got enough dps
you need fire ex only in w10
random vault
was thinking something like aurora mahans lol
charred sable
Used up my attacks in case I oversleep through both maintenance and tomorrow's resets since I just drank a lot. Ended with 1337 points
vague token
nice
coral wren
Just in time for maint
vague token
nice
coral wren
thanks
modern tree
What's the idea behind tanking 9s before maintenance?
I seem to have missed a memo
I was there, you were being reset every second. Sitting at 0 instead of 5 doesn't do much past letting you start spamming games, they are going to remove from you later, right away
coral wren
i used all of mine cause maint finishes when im about to or am already asleep so yeah would lose tries if i didnt
ionic magnet
next level sandbagging
modern tree
So you are preparing for them to fuck up by tanking 9s because you are planning to play 2-3 games extra?
I think that's a long shot
hot creek
I doubt devs will fuck up that hard again. Also this maintenance is scheduled so you can't play, while last time they tried adjusting DST it was live update iirc
modern tree
I check my hard mode when I do pvp before this reset, just in case I didn't do it asap for whatever reason
jovial sedge
whut meintenance now?
hybrid tendon
I know right
modern tree
Ships have exp they got before they removed the exp storage 
subtle whale
how to check
leaden sequoia
in the dock
ship's exp bar should show xxx\Max where xxx > 0 if you farmed with that ship after she got maxed
ionic magnet
inb4 its a bug all along 👀
modern tree
I mean, its officially out and I think I already saw a screencap of someone bothering the staff and staff being like "treat it as a gift" so time to get grindin
ionic magnet
oh cool 
leaden sequoia
ships got exp even after they "removed" exp storage too
I remember my Amagi having <1m stored exp before they reverted the change
now she has over 1.2m
modern tree
That is what I meant, yeah
hot creek
my laffey and amagi have 600k already PogChamp
erebus has 1 mil already lul https://puu.sh/CXSsM/83b9393fb2.png
my phoenix only has half a mil. im surprised its not higher
shits probably buggy af
modern tree
my doy has 600k
I didnt even have her when the "bug" was active
some whack shit is going on with it
hot creek
btw, how many data core do you have? trying to compare to see if I missed some hard mode
coral wren
1.37mil exp stored on St lewdis. :/ and 1.1mil on cleveland. I didnt fking know it was active the whole time. I would have used my pvp ships ffs
modern tree
after doing my hard mode and daily I have 613 core date
coral wren
Try restart game and see if the charges are reset UWU
hot creek
cool, looks like ill be at the same number after I finish my runs.
coral wren
Good job oversleeping 24hrs
empty sinew
considering the extra fp and everything, does 410 do more dmg than the 381?
just tryin to get dork to consistently shoot before amagi so that her debuff takes effect, but can't get the timing right with the 381, so i guess i'm back to the 410
hot creek
hotfix for 10 mins
jovial sedge
Ultra fucking shit my planned pvp matches some people got ahaed so much now
modern tree
I killed the server by reproducing a gamebreaking bug in an easy way
buoyant parrot
btw is there something wrong with the PvP???
I'm not sure if I did my matches before the reset
coral wren
Because u nerds played too much.
jovial sedge
Yes someone people will have too muxh boost niw
buoyant parrot
but I was wondering it made me top 1 >__>
buoyant parrot
is that the DST ver 2.0 catastrophe?
oh shit it looks like what happen in the past where the PvP matches crap up X___x
split socket
🤔 did ppl get free resets again?
buoyant parrot
I didn't notice since I usually get to top 1 after reset anyway -_-
hot creek
haha. should have blown all your pvp matches, suckers
jovial sedge
Ye they did
coral wren
Restart the season. I dont mind. I missed 4 matches already.
jovial sedge
Ugh
buoyant parrot
OMG!!! Unknowingly I did... so that's why I felt something is strange...
coral wren
What a coincidence.
zenith tundra
again this well since i didnt get anything i guess i can just forget about pvp this season
coral wren
stands up and starts clapping
buoyant parrot
well technically I drop this season coz of the 1 missed match as the other guys here know
but it appears I'm on top now... I don't deserve this. its disgusting X___x
zenith tundra
they should just delete pvp
modern tree
it may just be that you played the games after maint before anyone else did
buoyant parrot
I didn't even know I was abusing it lol until I just checked why the sudden maintenance lol
hot creek
did devs actually fuck up pvp again or are people just freaking out for no reason?
ionic magnet
modern tree
I am pretty sure
random vault
some ppl seem to have more attempts than usual
modern tree
none of that happened
buoyant parrot
I don't mind getting penalized tho as long that would make PvP fairer and please the DST thing this is part 2
split socket
I didn't notice anything out of the ordinary 🤔
random vault
dst 2 electric bogaloo 
hot creek
well, I wouldn't be able to confirm extra charges cayse I was at 5/10 anyways
modern tree
I can tell you why mainenence is on, and thats because relogging to a game in a specific way advanced your commisions by 1 hour, but it did not affect anything else
split socket
so how many commissions did u finish
buoyant parrot
welp that goes this PvP Season "again"
modern tree
pvp was either not affected or I did not reproduce it
hot creek
not like you would be able to do much with hyperspeed commisions anyways. eventually they'd just be exhausted for the day and you'll end up with those shitty 5 hour ones that give a stupid drill
random vault
lmfao comms got broken too?
hot creek
i gues it would be good to spam 10 hour comms if you want to burn some fuel
modest elbow
resetting forwards 1 hour tho, very exploitable
zenith tundra
were hards affected too?
modern tree
nothing else was affected in my tests
buoyant parrot
I dont think so well not im my case
i see 3/3
I usually do my hard modes right after reset
random vault
ye hardmodes seem normal
buoyant parrot
soooo I don't know. Not unless you've done your hard mode an hour before the maintenance. Probably might have done something
leaden sequoia
ppl reported with various shops refreshed after maint
modern tree
exchange refreshing is not really gamebreaking
leaden sequoia
still more reasons to do a maint
random vault
its tradition at this point
modern tree
I mean, exchange refreshed only on stuff that was already there
random vault
new update = new bugs
modern tree
so you could get another SSR or bulin/purin
post maint
you couldnt refresh it afterwards
leaden sequoia
well, I got 5 purple gun plates from the shop with 10% discount after maint
dunno if maint will revert that 
not that it's not farmable anyway
but would speed up my purple plate spree I'm having rn
hot creek
its been longer than 10 mins
empty sinew
10hr maint incoming
hot creek
I should have just kept playing smash bros
random vault
the notice sounds more like "maint will begin after 10 mins" than "maint will last 10 mins" imo
zenith tundra
30mins already
random vault
there goes my sunday free time
zenith tundra
it was maintenance in 10mins not 10 mins maintenance, i caanot read properly
time go back to bed i guess
hot creek
OhISee
finite valve
yeh maint in 10 min
no mention of how long tho
could be 1h
or could be 10h
lol
hot creek
Indefininite Maintenance™
finite valve
pallid ember
if i run jintsuu and ayanami for frontline who's the 3rd gal, juneau?
well shit i don't have her
since i don't have jintsuu yet, my current lineup is belfast/helena/juneau, anyone i need to swap?
backline is doy/hood/enty
finite valve
also in other news de-general got 1min slow mode
what is news zzz
<going to sleep
wake me up when maint end
💤
ionic magnet
lol what now
hot creek
DST bug 2.0 confirmed
hot creek
they dun goofed again.
random vault
truly dst 2.0
modern tree
interesting
hot creek
bet on the devs not goofing DST again. wrong bet 
random vault
cant wait for dst 3: civil war
coral wren
fk DST man... we are on mobile anyway who cares about saving energy
leaden sequoia
by that time w12 already happened
if we go by CN/JP that means we'll be experiencing lack of story content by DST 3.0
coral wren
so once we reach JP CN we reach the end of the game
leaden sequoia
so DST 3: Civil War is more real than you think
coral wren
and we can start playing other games
leaden sequoia
fgo
random vault
by the time dst 3 hits we'll be like: oh another maint no biggie
coral wren
we will know all the tricks nad tips by then and we can abuse the shit out of next DST
leaden sequoia
except those who joined AL after this DST
coral wren
they can read bug report
leaden sequoia
like I joined AL after previous DST and didn't know beforehand you could abuse
coral wren
its like a manual on how to abuse the bugs
leaden sequoia
but who wants to read thousands of messages just to find relevant info
coral wren
keyword search
random vault
i was in dst 1: captain america but forgot abt it this time
leaden sequoia
if they know what to find, then sure
random vault
like i know there will be some time shift update but i totally forgot it had pvp bugs the last time it happened
this season is busted i guess
leaden sequoia
makes me feel better after I busted my attempts
why dead, people will still rank up for merits and/or exp
leaden sequoia
on the bright side, after so many maints ppl might not give a fuck anymore and just rush all attempts after reset
so free +1/+2
random vault
lmfao
shy hazel
and we theppl who didnt abuse it
cant compete properly now
at least
i already messed up once this,season
gotta prepare for next one
👍
hot creek
yes, that was me. I had faith in the devs
shy hazel
the best thing thwy can do
is to freeze,some ppls charges but knowing them
wont ever happen
i couldve abused dailies instead
hot creek
thing is , they can fix people exploiting for extra matches. however, they can't fix people who were at 0/10 gaining 10 charges.
random vault
its nothing new, the devs are very friendly and cooperative, but kinda lag behind in terms of quality updates
shy hazel
devs are kind okay
but incompetent
lately all patches has broken parts
patch notes has unclear details
event deadline is confusing
buoyant parrot
I'm willing to get penalized
random vault
they did claim wayyy back then that they have test servers to check for bugs
shy hazel
random vault
well it seems pretty effective now isnt it
elder crane
They could just reset it to before-patch numbers
buoyant parrot
I don't know I wasn't really aware of whats happening until the server maintenance then saw this chat
odd schooner
@buoyant parrot it's ok, they'll revert back excess points
shy hazel
the same exact thing happened
buoyant parrot
good good
shy hazel
with more bugs
odd schooner
Or
random vault
its just funny how they can repeat the same bugs
shy hazel
they should've tested that in the test server right
buoyant parrot
DST 2.0
shy hazel
elder crane
Last time they didn't revert the extra pts ppl got from chasing the abusers though, iirc
odd schooner
I don't think we have a test server at all
At this point
Where every patch there's something wrong
random vault
well it was a claim, we'll never know for real how they work
unless someone pays yostar a visit
elder crane
Honestly they could just not follow DST and I doubt ppl would care
odd schooner
Feels like there's more on the non US side tbh
hot creek
yeah all the games ive played just ignored it and let people adjust on their own.
random vault
if they attempt dst 3: civil war i hope ppl actually protest the change
leaden sequoia
there were countries that kept using dst time as if it was standard
see Russia in 2011-2014
so something like this can happen in NA AL as well
but I doubt it unless the location the servers are in also stops changing clocks as well
sour oasis
I remember the last two mobile games I played ignored dst. (It was annoying because players had to re adjust their personal schedules around events again)
zenith tundra
its not the game faults that stupid countries like to play with the clock
i wish they stopped switching alltogether
buoyant parrot
I don't deserve that shit. This is a fluke
shy hazel
i mean
sharp obsidian
So are PVP Rankings going to be broken again this season?
shy hazel
broken it is
zenith tundra
i got a +2 from attacking rank 9 in my list
split socket
😏
coral wren
they will just say ohhh its from sandbagging derrrp
zenith tundra
ether is 12 pts ahead of me now
shy hazel
well ether is like that now but imagine
there should be someone than ether
who way got more points
zenith tundra
@buoyant parrot how many attempts do u have
zenith tundra
i'm even wondering if i should even play anymore this season
split socket
they might do the same thing like last time and remove some of the extra pts
zenith tundra
like literally no chances for aotn
split socket
u definitely should
I managed top 10 last time anyway since it was just a bunch of casuals cheating
hybrid tendon
no idea
zenith tundra
bug for sure
shy hazel
ye
zenith tundra
i'm gonna report so jokes on u
shy hazel
i guess they manually rolled it back
hybrid tendon
oooooh
shy hazel
so we got these back
anyways
i dont see myself getting back my aotn this season
so ill take it
zenith tundra
now i'm less salty about pvp abusers
shy hazel
score
zenith tundra
score
shy hazel
dunno at least
in theory
he got shittons of merits
those kind of abusers should get banned really
its over 9000
coral wren
hmm btw what is the best off fleet for 110?
coral wren
rip. I was expecting something new
zenith tundra
it shouldn't change all that much but bb will be better