pvp

[finite valve]

mirror

everything in pvp is just mirror since it is the best on both def and off

you might get some change on def side once YKK arrive

[zenith tundra]

wasda best def comp tho

[finite valve]

but since we don't have her not so much

[zenith tundra]

nanoda is better on offense then defense

[finite valve]

not if your VG die in like 20s

problem with burst comp is that you going to be 6 v 3 or 5 v 3 at the most

so still not really viable

for wasd on def anyway

[zenith tundra]

vg dont stand a chance against 3 bbs. my vg lasted 10 secs at best

when in front of them

[hybrid tendon]

The point is wasting their time

[finite valve]

hey free dmg is free dmg dude

[hybrid tendon]

[finite valve]

also are you implying 6 v 3 vs a full HP BB back line?

[hybrid tendon]

Wasd hiryuu juneAu

[zenith tundra]

winning vg battle is useless if u lose main fleet battle against 3bbs because vg cant do anything to them

[finite valve]

never have that problem lol

and i am pretty sure i did fought you a number of time provided that you did use wasd?

in my experience wasd is just free win

[zenith tundra]

my win rate against maxed out wasda with standard amakaga was 70%

i need to use ryuusei and move amagi from flagship to reach 90%

[finite valve]

might be because i don't reset test but all of my wasd are just free win

yeh sometimes i lose but that is due to VG RNG torp lol

[zenith tundra]

wasde is free wasda is not if setup correctly

[finite valve]

what you mean set up correctly?

like belfap jesus and random?

[zenith tundra]

right positioning and vg

[modern tree]

In my experience [thing happens] and I can back it up with [statistically insignificant number]. Listen to me, I am an authority on the subject. Use Boilers btw

[zenith tundra]

lol

[modern tree]

Meta changes for this chat based on who is awake to discuss it. It's really funny

[zenith tundra]

i can retry reset 100 battles against wasde and not lose 1

[modern tree]

Okay, come back to me once you do

[finite valve]

at the end of the day you only need to win fast anyway

[zenith tundra]

i will once i find a good wasde

whats max for that?

[finite valve]

so contesting which comp is more consistent is not really that big of a deal

[zenith tundra]

consistency doesnt matter just do what u like

[finite valve]

how much of a diff between each comp?

like 10s diff?

well that is what i get from all the talk about meta comp atm

100 wins and not lose 1?

[zenith tundra]

wasda lasted to akaga 3rd airstrike consistently

[finite valve]

is that on off or def?

[zenith tundra]

on def

[modern tree]

It's okay. Part of this chat is now all over the wasd amagi idea, the thing I was trying to force on people when Amagi first came up and literally nobody picked it up. Amakaga was the hottest fucking shit. Now suddenly amakaga loses to wasd amagi unless you make some bizarre gear and formation choices and wasd e is literally useless and you will never lose to it

[finite valve]

most of mine never lasted through 2

might be they are unoptimize yeh sure

[zenith tundra]

70% win rate is great but not 100% like free wasde or mirror

[finite valve]

well at the end of the day not going to change much

since ppl will still get to aotn anyway

with or w/o wasd wasting their time

which is amount to what?

[zenith tundra]

it isnt but 70>100 on def anyday

[finite valve]

like 1 min for the whole season?

still going to use foxes for ez win anyway

since i only care to rush aotn anyway lel

maybe if they change reward if you manage to stay at top 10 at end of season

also i am using sirius instead of belfap atm

[zenith tundra]

im just saying that wasda is a good def comp i wouldnt use it for offense because i hate wasd slowness

[finite valve]

that a change lel

yeh if you want to fuck someone day up by misscalculating their time before reset

<still using shit def just cus

zzz

[zenith tundra]

im using amakaga def because i skipped wasd meta and dont have them maxed out

[finite valve]

oh

rip

[zenith tundra]

was running hakaga before amakaga for a long time

[finite valve]

have NC max out and all she is useful for is bench warmer

lel

[modern tree]

Time to put together foxes E comp with Aurora srs so people can call it great defense fleet in 2 months

[finite valve]

if your VG lives to tell the tale lel

since 3 CV is ez picking if you lose the VG fight

[modern tree]

nah, all great defense fleet needs to be great is beat offense 30% of the time

[finite valve]

you are basically relying your foxes to win that 30% through 1 strike alone

since i doubt any comp atm can live before enty strike

[modern tree]

nah, I am relying on my VG living just long enough for 1 enterprise strike and winning this way, since it follows akaga and they all will have extra aviation and 30% hit rate on bombing

achieving that is probably just a free win

[finite valve]

so you using jesus or belfap for that random?

[modern tree]

Juneau Aurora Srs probably

[finite valve]

so jesus stay in mid and sirius tank?

might work

since i also switch belfap for sirius

just testing shit up lel

[modern tree]

I am probably setting Srs front because her sinking is inconsequential, then Juneau back

[split socket]

"Meta changes for this chat based on who is awake to discuss it. It's really funny", I think no one can really agree on whats best currently since everything is so similiar in performance

[finite valve]

yep

not like much will change at Jp end game

yes we do see shift in meta

but that is just waiting for who the new kai is lel

[modern tree]

jp endgame is just slapping warspite on anything and pressing play

atm

[finite valve]

as for non kai meta we just basically use 90% of them in any meta

that is just waiting for the new kai and use her

same for the bunnies

for all the non kai that is just basically 90% of what the meta is

just recycle them through diff comp

zzz

[modern tree]

if only Akagi was blonde

[finite valve]

[modern tree]

shes ruining my aesthetic

[finite valve]

well since most pure breed asian is just black

figure lel

[modern tree]

I like the main fleet power tho

[finite valve]

VG kindda low tho

is that normal?

[vague token]

aurora base stats

[modern tree]

its normal for me

[vague token]

are a bit low

no retros in vanguard means breaking 12k is a bit rough

[modern tree]

I use Boilers and oath only useless vg ships like the ones that I like

nobody in this vg is ringed cuz I hate all of them

[finite valve]

well i ring sirius cus well why not tbh

at least she got asset

unlike a certain tsun maid

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

Lmaooo true daxam

But we're not making any conclusions about wasda yet (or at least im not)

[zenith tundra]

what's ur score rn @real notch

[finite valve]

was talking about shelfield(?) whatever her name is

[real notch]

Im just testing wasda rn

[finite valve]

now we got 2 tsun maid lel

[real notch]

And seeing how well they do

[finite valve]

also that is a tsun cat

not maid

[real notch]

Uhh lemme check

@zenith tundra 596

[zenith tundra]

582 for me i might have a chance to get u in my list

[real notch]

yea 3CV backline i think (?) it was daxam who made me test it?

and i tested it and actually the comp was pretty fukin good

[zenith tundra]

the empty spot was an enty lol

[real notch]

lol oh

[zenith tundra]

ryuuei op

[real notch]

now i'm just testing wasda which is OK but slow af

[modern tree]

just use 3ijn front for speed meme

[real notch]

i think i might swap to twin 410s

and rely on my 127s to shred VG instead

cus 410s hit faster and don't have such ugly spread

[modern tree]

also, Enterprise on flagship needs beaver badge, which makes her go from "its just enterprise tanky" to "can she stop dodging everything" since 95 luck

Actually more evasion than my CLs with double the HP pool, better armour and 95 luck. You go Enterprise

[zenith tundra]

i hate rngs

no luck getting sirre uin my list

[finite valve]

maybe i should field try hard def fleet since you ppl love to collect data and whatnot zzz

[zenith tundra]

i like strong defense comps

everything that is not amakaga free win its fine

[finite valve]

well yeh if you are a pvp nerd lel

i am just rushing for aotn

[vague token]

we wouldnt be here if we werent pvp nerds xD

[zenith tundra]

i like pvp not like i play for top score or anything

[finite valve]

[serene knot]

try hard def comp?what's that

[mental sierra]

I think he's saying actually put up a proper comp

I usually only have a 1:1 of naked girls as my defense

[serene knot]

oh ok

[modern tree]

n-naked?

[mental sierra]

NAKED

[real notch]

alright

just swapped 410s onto my USS BBs

[hybrid obsidian]

[real notch]

tbh i starting think 406s will never have a place in PVP

[hybrid obsidian]

👀

[real notch]

cus faster shots are so valuable

[hybrid obsidian]

while me take out 410s

[real notch]

[hybrid obsidian]

I hate 410s 👀

now that noone use E anymore, i can take em out in peace

[real notch]

406s have a wide spread, which is better for taking out VG but worse for landing backline

since it's very rare to hit all 3 shells from 406 on a backline

as for taking out VG... i just rely on my twin 127mms

[hybrid obsidian]

i use AP german guns, cuz purple color equipments get on my nerve

waiting for next month to keep switching out bb guns

[real notch]

oh the 380s?

ya i know wat u mean actually

it kind of bugs me too

like OCD

[hybrid obsidian]

ye, tbh, they are not that bad since i rely on barrage ships anyway

[real notch]

wasda

amagi washington barrage

[zenith tundra]

are u using btds over helldivers too?

[split socket]

380 AP isn't bad at all for barrage ships. Especially in this meta when DDs are rather scarce. I used it before 381 was available in amakaga comp to proc barrage faster & damage to backline was also good

comparing it to btd is just silly

[hybrid obsidian]

yes

btds instead of helldivers

[split socket]

nvm the dd part, brainfart and thought some of the meta CL had medium armor. The rest still stands :x

[zenith tundra]

i tired 380 but if u dont hit backlines is such a damage loss and even then burn damage would make quite a difference

[mental sierra]

pre-reset score check!

592 with 5/10 and missing 3 matches

[zenith tundra]

lol

612 without even trying

[mental sierra]

5/10?

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[mental sierra]

good

[zenith tundra]

im using my attempts to try and get sirre in my list so i can try stuff

sandbagger

[mental sierra]

I missed 3 first day matches so I have to sandbag to make up for it

[leaden sequoia]

605 5/10, no lost matches

[zenith tundra]

did u get any bonus out of missing those 3?

like a nice +3x or something

[mental sierra]

yeah I got like a million bonus points when I came back after the 3rd missed match

[zenith tundra]

...

[mental sierra]

I don't remember the amount so I said a million

it was high 30s total

[zenith tundra]

8hrs an 3 more affection till my doy is maxed out so i can try full max hms backline

[coral wren]

fking wake up murica. stop slacking on my list

[real notch]

i am not sandbagging and i'm 596 with 5/10

[zenith tundra]

and i was afraid u were already 1 attempt ahead of me

in points

[real notch]

naw

LUL

[zenith tundra]

do u know max bis wasde power?

[real notch]

13266

assuming beaver on backline

[zenith tundra]

ty now need to find it

[real notch]

should be like 13277 or something with 3x SG

[modern tree]

cvs with SG radars would be neat

[real notch]

wait LOL sry 3x**

i'm still in wasda mode

[zenith tundra]

outside of being slow can u even lose with wasda?

[leaden sequoia]

(speculation) against HMS that snipes your Wash before Sodak is low?

[zenith tundra]

daxam played hms so he should know better

i mean on offense u can just put sd on hood/doy so i dont see the problem

[modern tree]

"Sniping" Wash is hard because Hood shooting her with normal ammo barrage does whatever damage. If you play HMS you just crap on Amagi and then hope your mgm rng is better. BB standoffs are all about "who dumped less redundant damage into a dead backliner"

[coral wren]

missed 3 attempts already, lmao. To hell this season goes as well

[neon aspen]

Should I switch the 155mm onto Amagi for a second gun?

[pearl nimbus]

Yes. Yes you should.

155mm is big boi gun for Amagi

[leaden sequoia]

that 20 FP stat bonus difference is nice

also burn damage for enemy vg

and vg right now are mostly DD/CL which are light armor and perfect for HE gun

[neon aspen]

I’m actually pretty surprised that the stats are so comparable while the 155mm is only +6

So once I get it to +10 it will be better

[leaden sequoia]

well, it compensates better other stats with slower reload, but that's about it

[neon aspen]

I might switch Aya out for Juneau. Do you guys thinks that’s worth it?

Switching over the gear from Aya to Juneau will probably bring the power closer together too

[modern tree]

Power has no function in pvp

Juneau swap would benefit you mostly because running multiple DD's is just asking for trouble

[wind orbit]

is triple 155 better than twin 127 on BB/C ?

[mental sierra]

in pvp yes

[leaden sequoia]

depends on whether you prioritize killing enemy vg with secondary or FP stat boost for shelling/barrage

127 in first case, 155 in second

also power has function in pvp to measure how close you're to BiS gear

[finite valve]

the only time you would want 127 over 155 is that you KNOW your VG going to die before theirs

or you use wasd for obv reason lel

[mental sierra]

Oh, I'm dumb. I interpreted the question as triple 155 vs tbtsk.

[finite valve]

lel

[mental sierra]

Yeah, listen to Nevermore

[wind orbit]

Damn, getting 2 more 155 to +10 feels like a waste of resources, at least I could reuse the 127 in pve.

[leaden sequoia]

you can go even with +6 everything because attacker +20% dmg bonus exists

[neon aspen]

Who should I put the peal tears and oxy torp on now? That I took Aya out?

Also the Quintuple 533 magnetic torps should go onto Belfast now right?

[leaden sequoia]

pearl not Juneau so that she doesn't overheal upon dying

[neon aspen]

I put the tears on Fortune then

[leaden sequoia]

iirc people say rainbow magtorps are too slow for Belfast, Juneau, Fortune since they are not specialized in torps

put gold quads if you have them

[finite valve]

use pearl on belfap

[neon aspen]

I only have two gold Quads I put them on Belfast and Fortune. Should I put a purple Quad on Juneau if the rainbow is too slow?

[zenith tundra]

belfast should be the tankiest i thing she should outlast the other 2 but fortune is weird. i would put rainbow quint on either belfast or fortune depending on which dies last

[finite valve]

i say rainbow on belfap and the other quad for rest

[neon aspen]

What should I do with the oxy torp now?

[zenith tundra]

toss it on some pve dd u use

or even cl

my oxy is rusting on my aya even though i haven't used her even in pve in a while

[neon aspen]

Okay so I’ll just keep it on Aya for now then. Is a torp bulge and toolbox sufficient for Juneau

[zenith tundra]

i would use boiler bulge

[haughty latch]

Question guys once we have sd and eld from the pvp shop do we just save?

[zenith tundra]

i buy purins as soon as i can since i have extra sr not mlb

also buy t4 boxes and cubes (very rare)

[haughty latch]

Okay wasnt sure if there was some awesome jp merit shop that we might get in the future that we'd need to save 20k for or something

[zenith tundra]

i don't think merit shop changes at all

[leaden sequoia]

devs rarely change anything that is already established, tbh

[haughty latch]

Oh okay, Idk i thought i read something new coming to JP merit shop but that's probably the meth talking

[coral wren]

is USA underattack by aliens or somethin.g why is no one moving at all in my list REEEE

its middle of the day even

[mental sierra]

oh yeah I should check that

someone moved 500 ranks but not enough for me to fight 'em already

[finite valve]

cus everybody is busy with event ||or faping to some sirius lewd||

[hybrid obsidian]

middle of the week, work or school

[coral wren]

goddamn casuals! ruining my score

[finite valve]

at least with sirius VG death are more consistent

i feel like sirius + aurora + foxes just more consistent in nuking VG

might need to test some more vs top 1k to be sure

but that's my impression on sirius

[vague token]

i feel like dork bottom amagi top is letting me get a fox kill before 2nd strike more reliably than hood

could just be my imagination

still need to max red skill

[leaden sequoia]

I have a sandbagger in my list reeee

[finite valve]

reset asap my boi lel

[leaden sequoia]

Don't think 1703 vs my 2507 will be enough for +2

[zenith tundra]

i got a +2 from 700 vs 2k

[ionic magnet]

got a +3 from 500ish vs 2kish

[odd schooner]

@coral wren you maybe got hit by SEA list.

[odd schooner]

It's morning on SEA

My usual experience is that I get queued with US folks during reset which is midnight to them

And next reset i get SEA folks which is morning

[coral wren]

oh nice. got +6 bonus points this reset. and still have 2 entries left

seems like the ppl on my list are finally waking up :c

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

6

すごいすごい

[vague token]

gonna need a moon rune translation stat

[coral wren]

"sugoi sugoi"

[mental sierra]

If anyone just had me in their queue (Amethyst, level 94), I just spammed 5 battles

so have fun

[odd schooner]

Tried using junkers

But akagi too fast

I'm stuck with firefly lmao

At least it has good cannons

[mental sierra]

What exactly are you running/trying to do?

[buoyant parrot]

damn I missed 1 attack because I was watching Aloona

damn it

I guess I'm out for this season again

4 consecutive seasons now 😂

[mental sierra]

what do you mean out?

what is your goal exactly?

[buoyant parrot]

no longer going to hit Top 10

[mental sierra]

Not true

I've hit top 10 having missed 10 attacks

you just have to work harder

[shy hazel]

ether is in avrora

its impossible

[buoyant parrot]

AVRORA

its impossoble

[mental sierra]

I'm in Avrora too

[shy hazel]

and he meant

season end

top ten

not simple everyday top ten

[buoyant parrot]

I can be number 1 everyday but not season end

[mental sierra]

Yes, so did I. The season that ended in the week of October 28th, I did this

[buoyant parrot]

[mental sierra]

with 10 attacks missing

[buoyant parrot]

lol thats not season end dude

[shy hazel]

yup

[mental sierra]

oh you mean you want to HOLD your rank?

[buoyant parrot]

season ends at 2601

was it?

forgot

but something that number

[mental sierra]

My bad, I misunderstood. I thought you just meant you could no longer get AotN

[shy hazel]

sorry we are tryhard hardcores here

[mental sierra]

I was trying to make you feel better, but now I understand you're one of the crazy dudes going for keeping top 10

[finite valve]

go big or go home

[buoyant parrot]

yup, I'm out for this season

spending all my attacks now

free score

[finite valve]

<glad i am not one of you try hard

phew

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure u cold still get top 10 with 1 less attack just need to forfeit sleep for another 10 days

[shy hazel]

i have a dream

[buoyant parrot]

impossible I have a flight this coming 12 right

[shy hazel]

that someday ill be top ten season end

[buoyant parrot]

that would a lot to me using my attacks without getting any + points at that day

[buoyant parrot]

that day is already a sacrifice

[shy hazel]

🔪

[buoyant parrot]

and missing 1 attack just now is a huge drop

even if you have to camp Arena for 10 days

[shy hazel]

imissed one charge for this

[buoyant parrot]

see?

[shy hazel]

i would be top three

[buoyant parrot]

just 1

lol

[shy hazel]

if i didnt miss one

lol

[zenith tundra]

just use ur phone on the plane. who cares if it crashes

[buoyant parrot]

and hence its impossible

not about using phone on the plane

you don't get signal

im doing international flight lol

[finite valve]

well next time i advice having an alarm at 54 or 50 at each reset

i know that is what i been doing

[buoyant parrot]

@finite valve exactly my plan now

I set my alarm 20min but that didn't work because I got occupied and laughing my ass of coz of youtube

now im crying lol!

😂

[finite valve]

yeh that why i make it that close

50 54 seem to work

[shy hazel]

shitty bonuses season start for me

so no top ten

[finite valve]

depend on how fast you can clear fight

[shy hazel]

but gotta try anyways

[zenith tundra]

i still hesitate 10mins before reset but if i'm at work i need the extra time

[finite valve]

aotn is good enough for me lel

[mental sierra]

I do the same as Zack

but yeah, AotN is good enough for me

[finite valve]

at least i got 2 night of good sleep

[shy hazel]

699~10 right now

[finite valve]

instead of waking in the middle of the night for bonus

zzz

[shy hazel]

what your scores

[zenith tundra]

8behind u lol

[buoyant parrot]

log off and log back in

huge gap now

[finite valve]

691

[shy hazel]

[mental sierra]

673, 10/10 left, slept and missed 3 matches on day 1

[finite valve]

horrible 1 day bonus

my guy did not rush his attemp

or that he did not fight left most fight

zzz

[zenith tundra]

i miss daily reset each day because i go to sleep at 6am and wake up at 1pm and the daily reset is at 10am

[finite valve]

for daily reset i just say fuck it and do mine before sleep

lost count how many times i overslep

[zenith tundra]

at least all this week because of work

[buoyant parrot]

changing my alarm setup now sheesh. what a season

[finite valve]

[buoyant parrot]

stupid youtube... so much fun, so much distraction

[zenith tundra]

i lose attempts to sleep or games

[mental sierra]

I missed 3 on day 1, but on day 1 I had two matches that gave 37 or 38 points due to waiting so long so I guess that's why I'm not too far behind

[finite valve]

tbh you can still make it back up on rush day

[buoyant parrot]

I can't now

[finite valve]

just need to know when to rush so you can get aotn

[buoyant parrot]

I just depleted all attacks

0/10

[finite valve]

rage quit at it's finest

[zenith tundra]

i got aotn last season with 5/10

remaining

[buoyant parrot]

I'll just go again next season

[odd schooner]

@mental sierra reppu bait with kaga

@buoyant parrot ye rip i got snagged by 1 missed atk on 15 pts stage too ended up around rank 30+

Is bicc

[buoyant parrot]

[zenith tundra]

i would rather just use reppu cuda on akagi and vf-17 ryuusei on kaga

[mental sierra]

Ryuusei on Kaga does so much damage

[buoyant parrot]

not just my month, this coming week for me is already a gamble so not surprising for me to be out for this season

[odd schooner]

Akagi fighter efficiency is too precious to use as bait

[buoyant parrot]

I wasn't just expecting it to be so soon lol 😂

[zenith tundra]

not if u lose damage on the worse damaging plane

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

I think the main goal is to have kaga load to be dropping first

[buoyant parrot]

welp I'll go meme def fleet now have fun

[odd schooner]

With akagi fighters doing the work above

[zenith tundra]

but u sacrifice other planes that have more damage then fighters

to have faster takeoff

[odd schooner]

Wait let me dig the explanation

[zenith tundra]

fighters do the least amount of dmg to ships why changing a helldiver or ryuusei that do actual damage just to have a bait

[odd schooner]

Hecc i totally forgot about the discussion around hellcat reppu seafang corsair

What kanna typed in

[zenith tundra]

pls read what i'm saying... u sacrifice helldiver for fulmar to have some aa bait instead of actual bomb damage

[odd schooner]

Y-yeah i just went back to helldiver

Put hellcat back to akagi

[ionic magnet]

why do you want kaga load to drop first btw

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

kaga has bad fighter efficiency

if her fighters get destroyed by aa u lose the least

[ionic magnet]

i see

[zenith tundra]

compared to akagi that has better efficiency

just wait for another reppu and it should be fine

[finite valve]

cranes rerun when?

need to farm more of those reppu lel

[zenith tundra]

vdir rerun was this month 1 year ago in jp/cn

[odd schooner]

The people who has double reppu never finished testing

[mental sierra]

well

[odd schooner]

They lost interest for a bit

[mental sierra]

this was an odd match

[odd schooner]

I could ask him now tho

Should I

[zenith tundra]

just have 1 at +9

[finite valve]

[zenith tundra]

what did u fought? @mental sierra

[mental sierra]

I don't even know. I just picked the left, the numbers were 11k/12k(less than 12500) and hit start fight, then I alt tabbed

by the time I looked back it was too late to intervene but thankfully I won

[ionic magnet]

i got one weird match today also

the guy was 12k/12k but aurora got mvp somehow

[zenith tundra]

if she hits too many torp it can happen

[odd schooner]

Oh ok so the double reppu will have an importance in positioning

I will still need a reply tho

Was just digging old msgs

Wonder if there's amendment to it now

[zenith tundra]

ppl actually using attempts in my list...

[teal berry]

How does one counter Amagi Akaga backline + Aurora? Getting murdered even though they arent even oathed

[mental sierra]

Yeah I've already gotten 2 matches with bonuses in the past hour and a half

[vague token]

options are: run your own aurora and trade vanguard deaths

use port kai, try to tank through it

[teal berry]

/looks at the level 20 aurora

Ok ditch prinz and replace with portkai, kk

[vague token]

xD

also, if you're using wasd/amagi it's ok to lose the vanguard

just make sure juneau dies last so she heals the main fleet

then just use DD guns to kill their vanguard because 200% efficiency

and shell them

[teal berry]

I never got what is wasd? thought it was the keyboard input 😄

[vague token]

oh, washington/south dakota

[teal berry]

Ahh ok thank you

[vague token]

wash gets a damage boost when south dakota gets low, it also grants sodak a temporary invuln (5 seconds) when she would die

[mental sierra]

basically we're lazy about typing shit

so WASDE is Washington/South Dakota + Enterprise

WASDA is Wash/SD + Amagi

etc, etc

[vague token]

wasdE is basically dead

unless you beaver on enterprise i guess?

[teal berry]

No no it is fine, i thought wasd was the key input for peopl eusing emulator for W A S and D 😄

[vague token]

xD

[teal berry]

oh beaver was on prinz

[mental sierra]

even when WASDE was a thing I was just running Entakaga

worked fine so I didn't care

[vague token]

lol

[teal berry]

I have hood, enty and amagi, just getting into pvp 😄

Missed out on a lot of ships mainly cause I started mid dec

[vague token]

my previous hiryuu/amagi/hood works against amakaga, it'd be better with desron though i imagine

but have a CA bias so im using port kai instead xD

[teal berry]

sounds like YWIS got to you 😄

[vague token]

the most important thing to note when using hood against amakaga

is that victory comes from killing one of the foxes before their 2nd air strike

[teal berry]

kk

[vague token]

with 2 hood barrages

and a bit of shells or an air strike chip

[teal berry]

so double autoloader?

[vague token]

well, it's volatile if you use double autoloader cause of evades xD

[teal berry]

true 😄

[vague token]

before the 381 i did autoloader and gold fcr

[teal berry]

ahh I dont have the gold fcr

[vague token]

yeah might be tough

double auto loader should be fast enough

but you're going to whiff shots which might force more resets from you

xD

[teal berry]

lol

I guess it is time to level my foxes and have my own amakga fleet lol

[vague token]

mirror is consistent =D

[teal berry]

Yea if you can beat them join them 😄

[shy hazel]

beavee on enterprise

your wasting all those dmg

just remove enty and use amagi

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

2nd +3 in a row well thx for bonuses before i need to go to bed

[mental sierra]

Good night dude

[ionic magnet]

enty is fine as long as you use juneau with her

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

like jesus is useless for amagi when she makes everything tankier in a way or another

[vague token]

i wasnt using beaver, but i didnt have much luck with wasd/e with juneau, although i dont have desron

[zenith tundra]

foxes have high aa. trying to kill them with a cv seems kinda of dumb instead of a bb/c

[vague token]

and rng free =D

[zenith tundra]

not to mention 6 fighters ready to dmg opponent planes

[vague token]

well, i dont know how important that is considering you usually dont kill amagi first

it's more torp planes killing the bottom fox

• wash pressure

and im pretty sure torp plane health doesnt affect torpedos

[zenith tundra]

u still lose touchdown damage

[vague token]

yeah, but like, it isnt important is all

cause it goes center

[zenith tundra]

on amagi that has no aa

[vague token]

yeah, but i find it fine to let her live

as long as you kill a side fox before 30

which basically ruins all of their damage

[zenith tundra]

if u want to really snipe a fox u use a barrage bb

not enty

[vague token]

i dont think a solo bb can snipe kill a fox though

not with amagi defense

like i get a kill with cuda splash AND the barrage damage

[zenith tundra]

have u tried wasda?

[vague token]

but definitely not just the barrager

wasda is pointless without desron, waste of gun dps =(

[zenith tundra]

why would an aa wall with 2 barrage bb be pointless angainst amkaga?

[vague token]

i mean, 2 air strikes still hurt coming from aviation boost

plus torp chip

[zenith tundra]

jesus makes 1st airstrike deal 0 dmg and that on defense

[vague token]

i dunno, i guess im not confident in wash/amagi ability to actually clear their opposing fox before 30

because ive never seen amagi do it on her own

i was able to get hood to do it

[zenith tundra]

u don't lost at 30 with wasda

[vague token]

with hiryuu cuda splash

[zenith tundra]

i tried 32 battles and none ended before akaga 3rd airstrike

on offense

[vague token]

basically i feel like my vanguard is just going to be wasted and then i get torped in the face xD

[zenith tundra]

well gonna try my wasda without 2 oaths and see how much i can lose against amkaga

[elder crane]

It does completely fine

[zenith tundra]

just need to hope i find 1 that's decent in my list

[vague token]

ill try it if i find a maxed amakaga xD

i dunno what my third vanguard would be though

belfast/juneau/someone

[elder crane]

I've tested it quite a bit before, it has pretty high winrate

Suicide Frontline is what I found to be best, drop bel

You actually want your front to trade out quickly

Otherwise, the BB shots all whiff

Overall though, I didn't find it to have any real advantages over just running amkaga yourself

[zenith tundra]

the day u don't see an amakaga in ur list when u need it

[vague token]

i mean, juneau who then lol

[elder crane]

Jun Jint Aurora I think ended as my choice, 1 sec, I'll see if I can dig up older photo/vids

[vague token]

i dont have jint

is the problem

juneau aurora x is basically a waste xD

[elder crane]

Aya is fine as a sub, I think, you can also try Helena, though I found her a bit squishy

[vague token]

i mean, they would melt without doing much

[elder crane]

Nah, it's just trading out with torps

Triple BB/BC backline means they clean up really well

So losing your van isn't a big deal, as long as you soften them up

[vague token]

juneau aurora without jintsuu doesnt soften though

[elder crane]

I think I went Jun Aya Poi before I got Aurora/Leveled Jint

But that might have been before, so idk if it still works

My pics/vids are on my computer, so RIP that

On my phone rn

[vague token]

does double torp destroyer do much chip compared to the bulk damage of triple cls? xD

i mean i guess it doesnt matter

[elder crane]

Helena should make it to 1 skill activation, so she can be useful

Though I found her suboptimal overall

[vague token]

for the most part, it sounds like the vanguard could just be juneau and it would be just as effective xD

[elder crane]

Honestly, Jun+two torpers is the idea

[vague token]

yeah, you just lose to jun/jintsuu/x really hard

i imagine

[elder crane]

And it's not called the suicide Frontline for nothing

[vague token]

jintsuu's damage bonus is just so much better for defense lol

[elder crane]

Aya Bucky I heard can also be decent

[vague token]

course if the opponent has aurora, you might as well sad face xD

double destroyers rip

[zenith tundra]

not really a great opponent but nothing better for now

[elder crane]

Not too much, you are relying on their opening torps mostly and they always get that off

[vague token]

yeah, but the relative effectiveness isnt that high since you're probably slapping cls

or whiff

and any missed torps are 0 dps

unlike defender torps

which can make a comeback on your main fleet

[elder crane]

You only need to soften them up a bit, and attacker torps do hit back sometimes

WASDA main fleet chews through ships

[vague token]

yeah, but can they stop 2nd torp is all xD

[elder crane]

Triple high efficiency secs on 3 ships

[vague token]

i remember trying to run old bunker

lost more than 50%

just too much deeps from amakaga and jintsuu team

and they get a headstart

which is why i swapped to my frankenstein fleet of hiryuu/amagi/hood

with belfast/X/port kai

xD

[elder crane]

Lol basically my staple backline, though I run Jun/Aurora/Jint with it

[zenith tundra]

4th battle now my sd procced her invulnerability

5-0 so far but gotta try against maxed amakaga to see better results

[elder crane]

Yeah, the high AA plus dred on WASDA means planes really don't do much, and subpar amkaga gets rolled

You really need to face maxed to test teams

[zenith tundra]

but my wasd is unoathed too

[vague token]

that team had kinda low stats on vanguard didnt it?

xD

12230 seems low for belfast/jin/aurora

[zenith tundra]

this is what i use

my vg is 12.4k

[shy hazel]

So many flashy recruitment and questions in here. I just say Join Sandyverse for Avrora server. Not getting Admiral of the Navy every season will result in a kicksmugBucky Pm me

how is my guild recruitment post

[vague token]

can you leave guilds that you create? xD

cause id join but i have my own

it was a pocket guild back when i thought guilds did things

lol

[shy hazel]

nope u disband it

sad to say

[vague token]

lol there's only a couple active on it, i probably should disband it

[shy hazel]

dont

waste of gema

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

just make your own hardcore guild

[vague token]

the Just Me guild (also 2 others)

dork 98 =D

pvp exp is a nice addition

[zenith tundra]

i'm joining it now

[vague token]

oh i can oath dork now, doing that lol

[zenith tundra]

also my belfast jintsuu aurora is 12.5k without beaver and oxy

max oath

@shy hazel that guild exist for sure? before i leave my current on

[shy hazel]

wait

ill talk to the lead

[zenith tundra]

[shy hazel]

@ionic magnet

[vague token]

man portland is so beefy when she goes against triple bb xD

<3 medium armor CAs

it's ok, i may complain now, but in Soon (tm) time I will be the one who gets boosted by the meta

110/120 CA bois

[ionic magnet]

shameless recruiting i see lol

there will be a 24 hr cooldown after you leave a guild btw

we can make some slots for sure

[zenith tundra]

not going so well

[ionic magnet]

and im not the lead, just some commoner xD

[vague token]

oof

[zenith tundra]

bb hit vg lol

win again

u either need to hit vg with ur bbs or to snipe a fox in order to win with hms

doy barrage does 571 x hit with 127 equipped on a fox

well using a fcr too so i guess is same as using belgun

[ionic magnet]

hows winrate?

[zenith tundra]

trying aganinst non oath amkaga

with max oath hms

lol

my sheff is still lvl 99

and have to use oxy on belfast because of hp

[ionic magnet]

oh lol

[zenith tundra]

if qe hits on doy or doy attacks same target is insta kill. just killed amagi 30 sec in

[ionic magnet]

have you tried putting warspite instead of QE

im curious

cos warspite barrage and doy barrage will hit same target right? (if placed as flag and bot)

[zenith tundra]

triple snipe comp

[vague token]

good old kill top

xD

[zenith tundra]

did kill top

[ionic magnet]

rip whoever that ship is

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

and then this happened

[vague token]

o.O

[zenith tundra]

u don't win vg without qe with my vg

[vague token]

ah ok

[zenith tundra]

let's see this

[ionic magnet]

looks much better

[zenith tundra]

amagi the god....

missed almost everything

[vague token]

=(

[ionic magnet]

lol

[zenith tundra]

jesus helping wrong team here

better put her tank

[vague token]

xD

[finite valve]

trying to get jesus to work is like trying to make ayaya work in pvp

die too quick or too late

zzz

[ionic magnet]

time for 2 boilers

usually 1 is fine but with belfast smoke i guess shes just unkillable

[zenith tundra]

last team

keep missing too much

[finite valve]

at this point i think you better off using WS then dork lel

[zenith tundra]

i would need another 2 381 for full debuff

have to use 410 on hood an 380 on amagi now to try

[finite valve]

don't the shot going to be stagger if you use full 381?

[vague token]

one will have fcr

probs hood?

[zenith tundra]

doy

[vague token]

oh for debuff

makes sense

[finite valve]

fight going to extend to 2 salvo fight so having non stagger shot is better for 3 BB but hey that's just me

[zenith tundra]

in main vs main the debuff helps a lot

[vague token]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

u cannot snipe anything before 2nd airstrike with that setup tho. well i'll go to bed now

[vague token]

good night o/

[mental sierra]

I like how he stuck around for another hour and a half

[vague token]

xD

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

How can a comp struggle so much in attacking?

Is hms that bad

[ionic magnet]

just hms things

[coral wren]

They really need ws kai it seems.

[vague token]

ws kai doesnt need hms

ws kai goes with say

namagi

xD

[coral wren]

Yea but ws kai is a option to save these pitiful hms fanbois

[shy hazel]

not as pitiful as kms fanbois

[vast mortar]

[coral wren]

Kms dosnt even have a role in pvp lul

Should just let hms rest in peace in pvp

Not gonna beat ijn

[vague token]

ijn bias jk

when is the mixed fleet support coming

ship that leaderships better the more separate factions you have

[coral wren]

U have that already. Look at the glroious prince of w(h)ales

[vague token]

that's 1 mix fleet

i mean like

all of them

honestly that isnt even a mix

that's just pow, with 5 uss

xD

[coral wren]

Lul

[shy hazel]

hey pla

pls

im rainbow dildo fangirl

if the ship,can use it

ill use it

[vague token]

still upset we cant use oxy on main fleet

there's like what, 3 torp bb/bcs atm?

tirpitz, bb kaga, and amagi?

although i dunno how much the scaling is

[ionic magnet]

you can put oxy on main fleet

[vague token]

whaaaat

did they change that?

[modest scarab]

Is the any counter for Aya + Jin + Aur?

[vague token]

leander or whoever smoke

40% evade rate

[shy hazel]

japan germany and uk had great torp boats and torps

[vague token]

vs aurora -25%

[shy hazel]

wonder

[modest scarab]

Ah.

[shy hazel]

why powerful torp units

is too focused

on ijn

germany invented magtorps

hell britain invented torps

[vague token]

meanwhile germany ships get AP dd gun buffs

xD

thanks yostar

[shy hazel]

oxytorp was copied from a british prototype

[ionic magnet]

dont think they changed anything

[shy hazel]

the ijn bias is strong

[ionic magnet]

it can be put in main fleet right from the start

or not?

[shy hazel]

imagine a main fleet

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

bb that only has torps as barrage

with high torp stat

[vague token]

umm, im pretty sure you cant

i have bb kaga open and it isnt there

[shy hazel]

kaga bb torp stats and barrage is

🚮

when will we have a cv with torpedoes

[vague token]

i mean, she gets 6 torpedos compared to amagi's 4

technically would get more out of torp scaling

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

i think they both have the same, or similar torp stat

[ionic magnet]

yea both 🚮

[vague token]

well, technically depends on the scaling on the barrage though

since they dont use normal torps

100 torp stat could be a lot for the barrage damage

no way to know though xD

it's probably 2x

im guessing

i think amagi torps hit for like 300-400?

or maybe there's base damage?

xD

like if oxytorp added 200 damage per, that would be pretty good

4 torps is 800 bonus

kaga has 6, she'd get 1200 potential

we'll never know though, i cant equip oxy on them

tirpitz probably the same

[ionic magnet]

im sure ive read somewhere that you can put oxytorps

i got meme'd i guess

[vague token]

lemme just triple check by unequipping it first

gear SHOULD show up even when equipped but maybe it's trolling or im blind

nope, not there

reee

[ionic magnet]

yea checked wiki too

[vague token]

it'd probably be terrible

but who knows

maybe the torp ratio on their barrages is secretly high

[hybrid obsidian]

that was the first thing i thought of when i saw a BB that can launch torp

tried going in and put rainbow dildo but couldnt find

[odd schooner]

Check time difference

[shy hazel]

wowl

lucky shit

[livid fractal]

Never lucky

[analog hare]

[odd schooner]

I did screw up 1st reset of the season by 11 points

[vague token]

dear god amagi barrage boosted by dork gun lol

just blew a fox up

xD

[shy hazel]

doy gun

u mean gold bb meme gun?

[vague token]

no i mean debuff

cause it only procs on gun shot

xD

[shy hazel]

when u say gun its always gear

scammed

[vague token]

yes my secret plan of gold quad

so slow, i can have a 381mm shoot twice

actually that probably could happen with fcr amagi

although you know, if the gold quad had like a "target takes 5% more damage" mini skill that'd be neat

[shy hazel]

@odd schooner u in my leftmost

are u gonna move or sandbag

[hot creek]

s a n d b a g

[hybrid tendon]

[zenith tundra]

hms struggles a lot compared to wasda vs foxes mainly because of terrible aa

any flagship outside of hood gets demolished by touchdown dmg

that plus only 1 good barrage so far and trash qe makes it way less consistent the wasda

[shy hazel]

nvm

someone went into my leftmost

now gurrenn kun 2nd to the left only

[zenith tundra]

did u stay up for daily reset? @shy hazel

[shy hazel]

i never stay up for reset

[zenith tundra]

u too lol

[shy hazel]

pls

i dont sacrifice my life for pvp

but well

i still aim for the best i can aim for

no excuses

top 10 is the goal

[zenith tundra]

what's ur score. i'm at 789 with 9/10

[shy hazel]

794 same charges

[zenith tundra]

only 5 behind i managed to gain 3 pts

[shy hazel]

i personally think

i wasnt able to get much bonuses on season start though

but im just wondering

is first round bonuses really THAT important

[zenith tundra]

i almost managed 2597 with +5 1st day

[shy hazel]

kamita and Famine

is always at top 1 2 3

[zenith tundra]

but rip my sleep

[shy hazel]

i dont really think they rely mostly on luck

when they manage to get 2606-2607 consistently

well its also probably extreme sandbagging too

im thinking

maybe they know something we dont

and its not just sandbags

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure just sitting on attempts and hoping is not everything

[shy hazel]

kamita is on this discord

dunno if that is our kamita though

[gilded atlas]

first round is the most impt

[shy hazel]

i mean it is but

[gilded atlas]

you can easily get +3 +4 or higher

[shy hazel]

i dont see it mostly out of luck to be consistently at top

[zenith tundra]

i agree but u can still get top 10 by not sleeping

[shy hazel]

famine had been in top 2 ranks for like

7 seasons already

[gilded atlas]

i am at 815 8/10 in lexington currently

[shy hazel]

or more

[gilded atlas]

there are tricks you can do

like sitting at top praying people blow their charges and try to roll them

[shy hazel]

we alrdy doing that sadly

and praying too

i guess its the willpower

to wake up at midnight

just to sandbag

im a working person so nope to that

[gilded atlas]

knowing myself i would probably oversleep and miss again

[zenith tundra]

what i learned last season is that it's not worth waking up in the night to farm pvp

[ionic magnet]

i guess its being awake in all 3 resets

i can only camp 2 resets

[shy hazel]

if only i was a neet

[ionic magnet]

so im losing atleast 1 point per day

[shy hazel]

sleep every after 5 rounds use

[ionic magnet]

so in 2 weeks thats 14 points

[shy hazel]

then wake up after reset

that crazy

lol

living for pvp

[gilded atlas]

not worth yeah

[zenith tundra]

depending on how early before and how late after a reset u are awake u can lose way more then 1 bonus

with my current schedule i'm pretty positive i lose at least 2 bonuses

[ionic magnet]

i woke up at 4am on my first gensui rush just to end up at 2198 pts

wont do it again

[modern tree]

What's with you guys and waking up at 4am. Just sleep

[zenith tundra]

i'm sitting this season out but next i might try again a top 10 end season

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CWqUo/d9ae97260a.png

these are just my normal hours though

[shy hazel]

HARDKORE

[hybrid tendon]

sandbag master

[hot creek]

more like NEET master. I wish I had a reason to get up in the morning like a normal person instead of this current degenerate sleeping schedule. It does help with sandbagging though, so theres that...

[odd schooner]

@shy hazel

[shy hazel]

u slept didnt u

[odd schooner]

1 more and I'm done this reset

[shy hazel]

🔫

[odd schooner]

No i was finishing gbf anniv story

[shy hazel]

the story is p good

im impressed

i just returned for gacha and story

then gon quit after anniversary free rolls

again

[odd schooner]

I also said goodbye to my crew since I'm cutting ties with said game to be a shikikan