pvp

[shy hazel]

where the top hms memers at

@modern tree

[empty sinew]

Dork on flagship always shoots the opp's top for me while in mob nodes she shoots the bottom boats

[ionic magnet]

dork barrage?

isnt it random targetting

[shy hazel]

ive used her pretty much alot in pve

not rly

it targets far away

that's why she's trash for me in pve but maybe good for bosses

🚮

[ionic magnet]

nothing on skill description

let me test for a bit

hmm yea its like warspite's skill

flagship always targets top btw

[empty sinew]

oh, ok that makes senserino

[ionic hill]

hey gamers

[odd schooner]

[modern tree]

I see you were able to figure it out. Dork barrage indeed uses same targeting as Warspite and flagship always targets top.

[vague token]

good old "slow the main fleet"

xD

[empty sinew]

damage is damage

[modern tree]

Barrage has pretty decent damage at max level, you would never complain about dealing around 2k damage (double that for pve) independently from your fiering cycle. Still, it's mostly for crushing bosses, more or less like Warspite (except she shells an area and has an extra effect so probably still better)

[coral wren]

what's better for offense? belfast or aurora for jintsuu/aya?

[zenith tundra]

for what main fleet?

[modern tree]

It sort of doesnt matter what fleet

if you want offense you pick Aurora

Especially with this torp meme

Belfast contributes nothing

[zenith tundra]

other then not letting ur vg expode against akaga

[modern tree]

VG will explode only if they eat torps and entire Amagi barrage before getting hit with the akaga strike. Regardless, if you are playing wasd, you don't care about that, if you are playing Akaga, you also dont care about that. If you are playing HMS, you are not running Ayanami

[zenith tundra]

i wouldnt run ayanami in the 1st place tbh but then people just want to meme with rng comps so who cares

[coral wren]

then what to run for jintsuu?

[modern tree]

The more people consider Belfast over Aurora, the better Ayanami is. Besides, her role is a little bigger than "just get lucky with torps", a tiny bit bigger

and no, Tanikaze is not the same or better

[coral wren]

also, finally got the pearl's tears ffs

and what gun for amagi? 381mm or 406?

[modern tree]

What do you mean by "what to run for jintsuu?". I like 381, but the gun is largely a preference because I am pretty sure everyone in this chat has their own favourite

[zenith tundra]

every time there is ayanami talk its always the same. someone tries their hardest to make her some kinda of god in pvp when she really brings nothing but a bit of damage that is rng if hits or not. her survivability is low and she has no utility. i would run literally anything else that has any kind of utility over her since on offense u dont want to base ur on rngs to be good.

381 is fast but u'll lose damage if u dont proc her barrage. 410 is more viable since she's still fast enough to hit before foxes 2nd airstrike. 406 has higher dmg but only viability would be as not flagship if u want to snipe an enty

[modern tree]

I am not trying to paint her as anything more than a decent pick for any offensive lineup and there is a couple reasons for it. One is the obvious, torp damage lmao. You are not getting damage out of your frontline any other way. Second is, her survivability is not actually low. She has about 500 health on most other destroyers, high base evasion and semi reliable evasion boosting skill that, if absolutely nothing else, times for the second torp wave. Third is her destroyer speed, which lets you cut boilers from your fleet in favour of stronger defensive auxiliaries. Both her barrages can hit frontline and backline. AND on top of that sometimes she will randomly do the "lucky" thing and blow someone straight up. Shes fine. Reducing her to "rng lul" is unfair.

All that siad, Jintsuu Aurora Belfast is also a stable lineup if you are concerned with surviving the mirror because you lack damage, miss some levels on auxiliaries, are scared of full oath fleets, etc

[coral wren]

what teammates, since you said ayanami is a meme

[zenith tundra]

i cannot win a mirror amakaga with ayanami instead of jesus belfast. how is she good if u cannot use her against the most meta comp. her dmg is amazing only against bb.

[modern tree]

I have not had to reset a mirror for past 4 days

We can just trade our experiences and we will learn nothing from it

Actually, I have not reset a single pvp game since I put up amakaga

[zenith tundra]

i had to switch her out because i needed to reset like way too much

what torp are u using? quad or quint

[modern tree]

ima make a picture of my mirror slayer

give me a moment

[zenith tundra]

@coral wren imo best vg if u run foxes is jesus>belfast jintsuu aurora

i stopped winning with jintsu aurora aya when i was using 2 quads and rainbow. from there i switched out ayanami and changed quads to quints i havent really had many problems

[coral wren]

why jesus?

is the heal that significant for some frail botes like akagi/kaga?

[zenith tundra]

and by winning i dont mean amakaga vs amakaga i mean my vg activelly dmg opponent baclines

u dont want to have a coin flip on akaga 2nd airstrike tbh. with jesus u wont ever need to worry about that

[real notch]

juneau is very significant

as long as PVP ships have 200% HP she will always be top tier

[zenith tundra]

and foxes are frail against bb but meta is just amakaga all over the place so the can survive quite enough. even the random wasd doesnt really stand a chance and is wipped by 2nd airstrike mostly of the time

[split socket]

jun is overrated in amakaga lul

are u guys even running maxed fleets

[real notch]

well

to figure that out, that's why i'm doing testing

[zenith tundra]

not really i need 1 gold cuda instead of event torp bomber

[real notch]

whether juneau is BiS for amakaga VG

zack actually did testing and i think juneau is BiS

the other VG alternatives are scarce and don't offer as much as juneau

[split socket]

maybe I'm just biased cause I don't like her, but everytime I use her shes a literal deadweight

[modern tree]

AA is not optimised cuz it actually doesnt matter beyond giving me an AA boost so my ships are a lil tankier vs airstrikes, yes I am using Junkers as my dive bomber. This tears through unoptimised shit and lesser fleets. In an optimised mirror you win because both frontlines die and your Ju-87C gets to their backline before their planes can get you. Belfast doesnt do anything against this.

[split socket]

u want to sink opponent asap, jun doesn't offer anything in that regard

[real notch]

i think that's because juneau doesn't show up in obvious ways unless if you are paying attention

[zenith tundra]

i put her tank and hopea she dies as fast as possible after akaga airstrike

[split socket]

or just use a proper vg and don't die at all while sinking enemy

[real notch]

juneau brings something like 1,000 dmg AA to AA pool

before AA mode

that's not even considering her main utility which is a god-tier defense VG

and ofc this should be well known but juneau isn't slotted to win your offense games, because those should be won regardless

juneau is slotted to win your defense games

[split socket]

the point is, you don't need really that heal if u are capable of sinking enemy before it even starts to matter

I'm also only arguing for offense games though so maybe we are already agreeing with each other lul

[real notch]

in a mirror matchup with 20% attack boost, your fleet will sink faster than theirs

yeah

in offense fleets you can run trash tier prinz and still win

so no point in really theorizing BiS offense fleets

lol

there's no competition in offense

[split socket]

actually no, also imo the only fleet u need to optimize is ur offense fleet

the def fleet is only for if u want to be a dick to newbies

[zenith tundra]

i challenge anyone to do a season without any resets

[real notch]

LUL i usually let my PVP games run on the side so i guess i've done that already

and then sometimes come back to an "annihilated" screen

[modern tree]

It must be strange to live in a world where optimising your defense to slow down gensui rushers is beneficial to you. Sandy got like 7 people at gensui on the first reset this season. It must've been a record

[real notch]

but ever since amakaga it's super reliable

[split socket]

daxam, u sleep too early

there was already 10 gensuis in the first hour

[modern tree]

oh shit

and I missed it

dang

[zenith tundra]

i havent used a single attempt and im just gonna leave my pvp fights go by themselves eveyry time

[split socket]

but yes, ur right I think it's a record too

xD

[modern tree]

good thing I got top 3 after using my charges on last day

[real notch]

that's probably gonna work out zack

ur fleet is maxed

[zenith tundra]

but people say i dont have a good fleet

[real notch]

who

[modern tree]

I can do a no reset for 2 weeks with the above garbage. I am pretty sure I cant lose

[zenith tundra]

tobi earlier

[real notch]

it's maxed by general standards

oh

maybe the event bomber gives as much fleet power as a cuda

[split socket]

tbh even if u try to do an entire season without resetting

all ur testing is rng on rng

[zenith tundra]

its rarity based so yes same fleet power lol

[split socket]

u might get lucky and face tons of meme 3k fleets

[modern tree]

it should the only thing that matters for eq power is quality level and type and they are all the same for those

[real notch]

nooo it's not rarity based, some gear actually gives more fleetpower as well

[split socket]

or u can get a string of 13k

[real notch]

for example, +10 SG radar gives 11 fleet power more than +10 beaver badge

[modern tree]

they arent the same type thooo

auxes are weird

[zenith tundra]

that is because of stats. for planes is same because all give 45 aviation

[modern tree]

guns and planes are consistent

[real notch]

wait, what are the event bomber stats?

isn't it like

2x 1000 lb bomb

or are u talking about the torp bomber

[zenith tundra]

its a torp lol

torp ofc

[real notch]

ooo the other event plane

[split socket]

@modern tree btw ur aware of the smaller radius of the junkers right?

[modern tree]

I am aware, it doesnt matter

[split socket]

the dmg might look good on paper, but theres also a bigger chance u miss them

[real notch]

well the torp bomber is more or less equivalent to the cuda

it's not BiS but

[split socket]

course it matters

[real notch]

just cus u have the event torp bomber and not cuda doesn't mean the fleet is shit

[modern tree]

if there is a chance for them to whiff then I am really good at gambling so far

[zenith tundra]

its slower then ryuusei lol

[split socket]

kinda hilarious u find boilers op and then claim that bomb radius doesn't matter

[real notch]

it will depend

because if the final takeoff doesn't deviate by 0.3 sec to the other fox

then it will still simultaneously launch

even if you have a slower torp bomber than cuda

[zenith tundra]

i think the difference is quite noticiable but im not home to tell actual stats

my akagi still goes off at the fastest possible time so im fine

[split socket]

as long as ur planes reach the other side faster than enemy does (if both running amakaga) then it's alright

[modern tree]

let me rephrase that, then. If I can one strike wipe belfast fleets just as well as I can with Helldiver, then the smaller bomb radius does not matter because I have the same result woth both bombers, except Junkers is faster which gives me upper hand in the mirror. Yes speed is really good and people underrate the shit out of it. Yeah, maybe if more people ran super fast frontlines the Junkers would be worse. In the end, they achieve the same results Helldivers do with that AMAZING ~0.2 second shaved off from the launch time, which is worth it in my book. I will let you know if I start losing

[split socket]

and I didn't call ur fleet bad, just questioning whether ur even using a maxed fleet since u claimed u can't win with jintsuu aurora aya

[real notch]

dump aya omegalul

[split socket]

as much as I like aya, I think she should be dumped too

[real notch]

she's too inconsistent for my tastes

even belfast is better because she's guaranteed smoke at 10

[split socket]

@modern tree fair enough, actually a very sound argument

although I'd still have to fight a fleet where my planes don't reach the other side faster, I'll let u know how it goes if I run into a mirror that runs junkers :p

[zenith tundra]

this is my fleet not gonna change anything

[coral wren]

here no reppuu, is gold hellcat ok?

[split socket]

yep

[coral wren]

also why gold 127mm and not belgun or twin 152?

[zenith tundra]

reppu is on kaga

and twin 127 for aa fun

[modern tree]

@split socket you better hope you run into me then because I am pretty sure the only other plane people ever consider is BTD and this one is just

[coral wren]

amagi's aa is shit anyway, why run it?

[zenith tundra]

exactly because amagi aa is trash

[coral wren]

then why buff it marginally? could buff the firepower more anyway

[split socket]

I want to believe the remaining player base have a bit more sense but seeing numbers like 13.7k occasionally makes me think ur right XD

[real notch]

actually due to diminishing returns, it makes more sense to buff low AA ships

but aynways

[zenith tundra]

ofc i could do that i just prefer having a chance at surving foxes

[real notch]

the fleet looks fine

i would just maybe make some AA changes

to your twin 105mms

and (personally) add a rainbow dildo but

it's fine

[zenith tundra]

maybe some bofors but only 1 romba

[coral wren]

how much time did it take you to get the plates for the equipment to +10?

and what map do you usually farm for them?

[modern tree]

lots, 7-2/event sirens

[zenith tundra]

i play since august my foxes are maxed out since january

[coral wren]

would a lv56 jintsuu live 3 battles on 7-2 with proper teammates?

[real notch]

i would slap
aurora --> twin 113mm
juneau --> twin 113mm
jintsuu --> bofor
amagi --> bofor

but if you want 2 tick AA circle

[zenith tundra]

i only have 1 113

[real notch]

then swap twin 113mm on aurora for another bofor

that works too

u would just need 3 bofors

[coral wren]

also, why the UK torp over barracuda?

[real notch]

he's still looking for a cuda

[zenith tundra]

because i only have 1 gold cuda

[coral wren]

oh

[real notch]

but ya

i'm surprised actually

ur like lv 96 right zack

i seen u in pvp lobby

it's weird how ur missing so much gear at that level

[zenith tundra]

94 almost

[real notch]

oh

[zenith tundra]

just not lucky with boxes

[real notch]

yea i think just unlucky

[zenith tundra]

hms hates me

[split socket]

tbf, the cudas are kinda rare :x

[real notch]

actually very unlucky lol

i have like 5 cudas and 5 roombas

[modern tree]

Cudas are super rare. I had only one until like late december, playing since the game was released

[zenith tundra]

i brought all royals i could lately but no luck

[split socket]

I started playing a bit after game was released, almost lvl 96 and still only got 2 cudas

so it seems ur the lucky one @real notch :p

[real notch]

now i see why amagi didn't come after 352 cubes

[zenith tundra]

lol

[real notch]

it's been like that tho

i'm lucky on world maps

shit on construction

[split socket]

^ tell me about it

[zenith tundra]

my luck is all over the place. 1 month for poi and 3 days for jintsuu

[modern tree]

I have never gotten lucky on anything that matters in terms of pvp in this game

[split socket]

1h for jintsuu

[real notch]

1 hour for jintsuu

reeeee

[split socket]

welp, lets see how w11 treats me

[coral wren]

here 2 months for jintsuu

[zenith tundra]

im more curious how much i have to whale for nanoda with like 350+ cubes by then (if its next event)

[coral wren]

sendai soon

[real notch]

trueeee

[split socket]

don't think vdyr will come back for a while

they said the upcoming events will not be reruns

[real notch]

[zenith tundra]

in jp calendar is next event who knows. plus next event is sakura

[real notch]

im not resetting bois

[split socket]

aaaand thats why jun is useless

[real notch]

juneau had like

5% hp

LOLOL

[warm tide]

xD

[coral wren]

Does cygnet smoke stack with leander?

[modern tree]

no

[coral wren]

shieeeet

[modern tree]

smokes work like command skills, the highest one takes precedence

in rare situations belfast and leander smoke at the same time, you get leander evasion and belfast aa protection afaik, but that's like the only case where they "stack"

[split socket]

also sliiiiiightly bigger smokescreen

[coral wren]

that kinda sucks

[split socket]

if they deploy at same time anyway

[coral wren]

i can see sendai jin aurora/ayaya vanguards

[arctic blade]

what's the best current pvp set up if i don't have aurora?

[zenith tundra]

is this more then a +1?

[leaden sequoia]

most likely, because those at ~1k-2k rank at this point are those who spent 5 charges already

so they should have 120-130 points at least

[zenith tundra]

imo a +5 at best

[modern tree]

Largely depends on how strong your backline is. Sirius will do okay as a placeholder if you are using carriers, but shes nowhere near as good. Can just slap any of the standard pvp behemoths and do well probably. one of Belfast, Jintsuu or Juneau if they are not already there. Otherwise can fill in with Ayanami if you already have Jintsuu. Maybe some underdogs like Portland, Leander, Cleave or Lewdis. Not great but they will do work.

[zenith tundra]

ok +6

[vague token]

i think sirius will work well with me using solo hiryuu since she really needs the aviation boost to catch up

while still being a bulky gun cl

unlike aurora who dies on first strike for me

since im not contesting the 10 second mark with my own foxes

theoretically

[modern tree]

Its just the fact that COMPARATIVELY, Sirius's skill is trash, but its sort of unfair to compare boat that buffs only carriers to boat that makes your whole fleet better at dealing with VGs

[vague token]

oh yeah for sure

it's just that my whole fleet doesnt do anything before foxes do

so what's the point

when i can take someone way tankier xD

and possibly boost final counter ;)

[split socket]

u gotta give her some credit for being able to tank tho

[modern tree]

Yeah, shes a beefy girl with those torpedo bulges

[vague token]

like, if i run aurora into foxes, she's probably going to explode before i even use anything

since im not using foxes

cause slooow

better to run thicc bulges

[zenith tundra]

the blackburn makes my kaga launch slower by 1 sec. the launch time for reppu sb2c cuda is 22.64 while for reppu sb2c blackburn is 23.68 at max oath

[modern tree]

use firefly for other fox to equalise

[vague token]

lol

[modern tree]

I do not know if that has any merit whatsoever

but at least Firefly is better than Comet

[vague token]

not a high bar to be fair xD

[modern tree]

Comet is a fine plane, there is a niche for being the fastest, gold, true dive bomber

[split socket]

pretty much only for healers tho

no real place in pvp

[modern tree]

any cv with trash efficency for dbs will want Comet I think, but Foxes dont really suffer from that

maybe none of the boats that are useful in pvp suffer from that

[split socket]

well u don't use a cv with trash efficiency in pvp in the first place

[modern tree]

Ark is a meme

[split socket]

unless I'm forgetting something :x

[zenith tundra]

i don't really care was just responding since someone said the difference wouldn't be noticeable

[zenith tundra]

centaur launch speed is insane 20.45 with vf-17 and gold cuda

well no 2 vf-17 yet

[ionic magnet]

someone just called jesus a deadweight

[zenith tundra]

she's a deadweight

[ionic magnet]

nice meme

[coral wren]

Her aa is good tho

[zenith tundra]

well technically she is u just want her to die in the end

[split socket]

sandys aa is good too

[ionic magnet]

thats not the meaning of deadweight tho

[zenith tundra]

sandy is good just not in en

[modern tree]

Sandy has 15% chance to be godlike even on EN. It's higher than most other meme boats.

[split socket]

wonder where all the godly sandies are 🤔

ah right, hanging out in the docks

[coral wren]

380 aa stat, isn’t it like the highest of them all?

[ionic magnet]

when did jp get sandy retro again?

[zenith tundra]

1109aa stat with gold 100 gold aa and her proc... no wonder she implodes planes so easily

around 1st year anniversary

[ionic magnet]

mm not that far then

p much in time for w12 i guess

[zenith tundra]

792 aa without proc

and all of that without oath

at max oath she reaches 1163 aa

[odd schooner]

Tbh she replaces Belfast

So you'll have like Juneau Sandy + Wildcard

But that's when retro comes

Rn she gets kekd by torpedoes

[zenith tundra]

+34 and +38... and i just wanted to don't care about this season

[shy hazel]

shit bonuses this season start

guess i only aim for aotn and not top anything

[ionic magnet]

just got a +25 even if he got higher rank, is that even possible?

or did i just tap too fast that i didnt get to see full score

[zenith tundra]

i got a plus 1 with almost 5k rank difference (from 6k to 1k) last season

[ionic magnet]

yea that happened to me too before

but not negative score

[shy hazel]

anyways

bad first bonuses sooo

somehow slacc

[odd schooner]

Going bad right now

33 31 27

[zenith tundra]

how did u get a 27?

the minimum score should be 28 till 100pts

[odd schooner]

Isn't it 25

[lament lichen]

its 28

[zenith tundra]

the wiki says 28

[finite valve]

unless he rank up

[zenith tundra]

unless is outdated

at 64 u don't run in the problem of ranking up to next rank

[ionic magnet]

34 36 25 33 22

[zenith tundra]

will people move or just waste attempts

[lament lichen]

im just waiting for gurren to move

[ionic magnet]

at least one should move

[split socket]

keep waiting

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna wait till like 56-57

just for curiosity

[ionic magnet]

i dont like playing with fire

i always do my rounds 30 mins before reset

[zenith tundra]

i almost reached top 10 with a +5 bonus 1st day who cares about 1 attempt

[ionic magnet]

its the same anyways cos ill get bonus right after reset

[split socket]

cares about extra pts but not about 1 attempt haha

[zenith tundra]

looks like full dead list cool

[odd schooner]

@lament lichen am done

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

3mins before rest and no movement

[odd schooner]

33 31 27 25 22

[lament lichen]

40 38 29 22 23

[odd schooner]

Welp, gotta do this one or i go downspiral on this game

[zenith tundra]

ended 15 secs before reset not even close

[zenith tundra]

looks like my screen

how good is ur def fleet? looks interesting @buoyant parrot

[buoyant parrot]

the only thing that will drop me out of this season again is my up coming flight on March 12... I hope I get to use my 10 attacks prior to the Reset

min-maxed at

[zenith tundra]

looks good to try stuff against

[buoyant parrot]

just a question if you are at 5/10 before reset, After the reset does that goes 10/10 or you just missed 5 attacks over all? coz I did this before after season ends and I just lost 5 attacks. Don't know if that works on not end season

[zenith tundra]

new season always starts at 5/10

even if u have 10/10 before it

[buoyant parrot]

I see

but what about reset?

reset comes later right

lets say your 5/10

does that go 10/10?

[zenith tundra]

u gain 5 attempts each reset

[buoyant parrot]

yeah so you're saying if I have 5 remianing attacks now and I wait the reset later does that makes me 10/10?

[zenith tundra]

if u have more then 5 before reset u lose the ones over 5

[buoyant parrot]

oh shit

so better make it 0/10 before reset then

[shy hazel]

youll have 10/10

[zenith tundra]

if u want to sandbag always stay 5/10

before reset

[shy hazel]

hes gonna fly so

[buoyant parrot]

-_-

[shy hazel]

hell want to use charges

[zenith tundra]

yeah for that go to 0

[shy hazel]

how many hours anyways

[buoyant parrot]

we have 5 hours and 40 mins before reset

so better consume 10/10 before then

[shy hazel]

short flight then

should be safe

[buoyant parrot]

@shy hazel yeah that's for march 12

obviously I will have to consume all of my attacks prior to my flight lol

[arctic imp]

[shy hazel]

good

[buoyant parrot]

If I don't miss any attacks after my flight march 12 I'm guaranteed to enter Gensui

[shy hazel]

use all your rounds earlt

so we can get points easier

[buoyant parrot]

yes that's good

[arctic imp]

lol

if u can beat my def fleet

[buoyant parrot]

attack early please

[arctic imp]

Besides u dont know my server.

[shy hazel]

er

u must be new here

[arctic imp]

No

[shy hazel]

no defense fleet is safe

[buoyant parrot]

this fleet has never known defeat when offense.

[shy hazel]

[arctic imp]

Im not gonna fight that lol

Plus we arent in same serv

[shy hazel]

[arctic imp]

whoa

👀

[shy hazel]

not top ten so 🚮

[arctic imp]

ok buddy....

[buoyant parrot]

so hard to get into the Gensui before it wasn't this hard

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

damn Avrora min-maxing players

[shy hazel]

kamita won last season so funny

[arctic imp]

Thank goodness im not there

[shy hazel]

famine won last three seasons before

[arctic imp]

😓

[shy hazel]

iirc

[buoyant parrot]

yeah Zack said so

[shy hazel]

famine literally did his last charge

3 mins before

reset

[buoyant parrot]

that's a bit of a gamble thou

[odd schooner]

And he always succeeds

[arctic imp]

[shy hazel]

probably tried to breakto 2608

[buoyant parrot]

if that failed you will have to re-match it and might probably ended last

[odd schooner]

Yeah but he haven't failed yet

[buoyant parrot]

true

[shy hazel]

well to be fair

even if he failed he,was top ,6

[buoyant parrot]

yeah so it doesn't matter.

you still get Gensui

but to be on top 1 is awesome its a bragging rights

[shy hazel]

watashi wa numba wan

[buoyant parrot]

yup truly he/she is sandy overlord

[shy hazel]

i heard pvp in,sandy

is becoming harder now too

[buoyant parrot]

that's good for them

[shy hazel]

good i say

lets them suffer like avrora

[buoyant parrot]

it has always been hard in our case.

[shy hazel]

[buoyant parrot]

remember that 2x sandy in exchange

[shy hazel]

lol

[buoyant parrot]

we have suffered enough

[shy hazel]

now its our fourth sandy i believe

[buoyant parrot]

yeah

[arctic imp]

4th ina row?

[buoyant parrot]

well 2x in a row

the other 2 is no

[arctic imp]

still

And I thought 2 Warspit was bad

[buoyant parrot]

[shy hazel]

my spite still isnt mlb

[buoyant parrot]

im working on my WS affinity to 200 for when awakening comes she's ready

[arctic imp]

She isnt that great anyways

People only using her now cause

Retro is coming

[buoyant parrot]

I want WS Retro

[arctic imp]

WS?

[buoyant parrot]

Warspite

[arctic imp]

Ah

We need Sandy first tho

[buoyant parrot]

and my sandy isn't Oath yet

im sooo having 2nd thoughts to oath her.

[arctic imp]

[hybrid tendon]

been sandbagging pretty well

[zenith tundra]

accidentally winning against etherst comp guess testing time is over

[hybrid tendon]

oath ur sandy

she would be amazing retrofitted

and with that 12% stats? boi

[zenith tundra]

@real notch
Etherstar (South Dakota, Amagi, Wasington | Belfast, Juneau, Jintsuu) 13646/13149
ZackFairX (Amagi, Akagi, Kaga | Juneau, jintsuu, Aurora) 12897/12387

game 1 - win
game 2 - lost
game 3 - win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - lost
game 7 - lost
game 8 - win
game 9 - win
game 10 - close win
Felt like a gamble mostly of the time based on how fast opponent juneau died

Etherstar (South Dakota, Amagi, Wasington | Belfast, Juneau, Jintsuu) 13646/13149
ZackFairX (Amagi, Akagi, Kaga | Aurora, Ayanami, Jintsuu) 12897/13323

game 1 - close win
game 2 - win
game 3 - lost
game 4 - lost
game 5 - close win
game 6 - lost
stopped because it wasn't really working well without juneau

Etherstar (South Dakota, Amagi, Wasington | Belfast, Juneau, Jintsuu) 13646/13149
ZackFairX (Akagi, Amagi (380 skc), Kaga | Juneau, jintsuu, Aurora) 12897/12387

Switched amagi to amagi to prevent a fox snipe early and try to kill amagi fast
game 1 - win
game 2 - lost
game 3 - lost
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - close win
no real advantage to 380 because u can't attack consistently amagi or just snipe her

Etherstar (South Dakota, Amagi, Wasington | Belfast, Juneau, Jintsuu) 13646/13149
ZackFairX (Kaga(ryuusei), Amagi , Akagi | Juneau, jintsuu, Aurora) 12897/12387

Switched Kaga to flagship because it's safest spot so i can always use ryuusei to deal damage
game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - close win
game 4 - win
game 5 - win
game 6 - close win
game 7 - close win
game 8 - win
game 9 - lost (akagi died early and juneau after 55secs)
game 10 - close win
most solid results. Ryuusei helps a lot sniping/proccing south dakota invincibility also amagi sniping

Overall almost all of my wins were with akaga 3rd airstrike or amagi barrage in that time frame, also no really fast or easy wins

i like ur defense comp @buoyant parrot

[arctic imp]

People use Juneau?

[zenith tundra]

juneau is very good in pvp because u sacrifice a vg slot for heal to backlines. since mostly of ur damage comes from backlines is usually a very worth trade

[vague token]

especially since 25% of doubled health is a lot

[real notch]

what's going on

[vague token]

nm

you?

[real notch]

why's your VG 12.3k only

mine's 12.6 at maxed without juneau oath

[zenith tundra]

why would it be any higher?

[real notch]

hmmm

[buoyant parrot]

oh? wait till you see my affinity max Amakaga still working on their affinity to 200 for Akagi and Kaga

[real notch]

ohh

i know why

you don't have rainbow dildo

[zenith tundra]

why would i use that?

[buoyant parrot]

also for Bucky she's at 196 Affinity

Jintsu Ayanami and Bucky

[zenith tundra]

i prefer that wasda over any amakaga

[buoyant parrot]

for Torpedo montage

[zenith tundra]

tbh i was trying, before i accidentally won, to not kill jesus before amagi died

[buoyant parrot]

[zenith tundra]

i tried switching out aurora for ayanami for that purpose but didn't realized sd invincibility was over

[real notch]

yeahh

juneau should have best results

against wasd

because of the ramping gameplay

[vague token]

longer the fight goes against wasd the bigger the dps difference

[real notch]

but even then that's strange...

wasda is that strong?

[vague token]

they beefy

amagi + bulk lol

[zenith tundra]

amagi buff is actually insane. the amount of misses is way too much unless u can focus them with torp or torp bombers

and vg just gets imploded fast once it gets to 3 bbs

i can totally see why wasd is a nakaga counter. without amagi buff/debuff my foxes wouldn't really stand a chance to reach 3rd airstrike

[vague token]

(requires suicide squad though to force guns)

[zenith tundra]

also planes getting oneshooted lol at least the unlucky ones that came first

[split socket]

wasd isn't a nakaga counter tho?

[zenith tundra]

wasd is one of the best nakaga counters

[vague token]

wasd amagi

wasd alone isnt enough

[odd schooner]

Need amagi

[vague token]

also requires desron variants

otherwise you rng waste gun shots

[odd schooner]

Don't think no one has yet to fill amagi slot

Since every cv dies lmao

[buoyant parrot]

Hood for cheap alternative maybe?

[zenith tundra]

also playing against that make me want to play namagi even more

[vague token]

i tried running Traditional wasd/e with tank squad and has a loss rate over 50%

[zenith tundra]

amagi buffs and debuff makes wasd so much tankier giving more time to kill foxes

[split socket]

it'd be interesting to see how wasd counters nakaga

[vague token]

we wont get nakaga though =(

we skip straight to namagi

straight to ultimate doom

xD

[odd schooner]

I really want to try sheffield but hecc

Belfast has bicc hp

[zenith tundra]

use beaver and bulge on belfast and toolbox/pearl bulge on sheffield

it works even with 200 oath belfast and unoath sheff

[odd schooner]

Just when cap is about to hit lmao

[split socket]

I'm still not entirely convinced on namagi since we still lack a good 3rd ship

[odd schooner]

But ye sheff skill is really nice to try

[zenith tundra]

the proc rate is quite high tbh

[odd schooner]

30

[zenith tundra]

i use her in pve and it looks way better then that

[vague token]

i mean, i thought on the tier list thingy

it said literally anything

is fine

you could throw the slot and namagi is still strong or something

[odd schooner]

Brb will ot to get her skin

[real notch]

ok

[vague token]

just use hiryuu for 15 second safety net memes

xD

[split socket]

I'd rather test it for myself than trust tier list made by someone I don't know lol

[real notch]

updated doc with reset testing for wasda

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=sharing

interesting

since i have maxed wasd i might try it

i don't think i've seen any maxed wasda fleets yet

[odd schooner]

We don't have hiryuu kai nor taihou so ye

[real notch]

what's the maxed fleet power for them?

13636?

same as wasd hood?

[zenith tundra]

i can see why namagi is so strong. with nagato dmg buff and amagi def buff the combination should be pretty insane

[odd schooner]

13646

[vague token]

also double barrage

[real notch]

oh ok

[vague token]

so you dont lose out too much gun deeps

[odd schooner]

Hood got higher power iirc

[real notch]

beaver on amagi?

[odd schooner]

Sodak still

[real notch]

i see

[odd schooner]

Place amagi above

[real notch]

in wasd meta i always had beaver on washington

[vague token]

there's more main fleet focus now though

[odd schooner]

Amakaga starts hitting harder now so ye

[zenith tundra]

also 406 is a good damn fox killer when u hit the salvos i could see my fleet literally getting reckt

if anyone has me in their list enjoy the free points gonna do 4 attempts so i can sleep

[buoyant parrot]

wait 4 attemps?

what about your remianing 5?

wouldn't that be carried after reset?

[ionic magnet]

it carries over

up til only 10 charges ofc

[buoyant parrot]

but except for season reset right?

[vague token]

oh god

[buoyant parrot]

that horror

I was leading back then when it happened

I was on top 1 every 5mins end of reset

then that apocalypse happened

[ionic magnet]

yes every season starts at 5/10

[odd schooner]

Oh boi the -1hr can really screw me up now that my sched is fixed

[twin glacier]

I ranked up Pearl's Tears to rank 3 without really thinking about it, did I make the equipment useless for PVP? I don't want the ship that's carrying it to live longer than the ships that it's supposed to heal.

[vague token]

usually it's still for the best to upgrade it to 10

[modern tree]

It won't be a problem

[twin glacier]

Well that makes me feel better then.

[vague token]

whoever has it will still die first if they're front

so no worries xD

[buoyant parrot]

you have to make it to +10

otherwise your vanguard will die prematurely on high rank battles

specially when you are battling us your vanguard die so fast that your backline still has full hp

[charred sable]

This season is looking to be off to a great start

[buoyant parrot]

what server?

[charred sable]

Avrora

[buoyant parrot]

that's a good start then

[charred sable]

The attack on the r18 netted me 34 points. The subsequent one gave me 26

@humble scarab I've given up on aiming for end season r1 as I've missed too many attacks in the past due to forgetting while at work. So as long I don't miss any while still getting decent bonus points from 1-2 attacks in every set of 5, I think Admiral of the Fleet is very feasible

I missed none last season but barely got any bonus points and actually got two 9-point-ers at the end, but still managed to end at r10 in the last 5 set (final reset rank of 31)

[ionic magnet]

as long as they dont add any real rewards for top 10 end season, youre fine

[charred sable]

PvP system revamp with an actual ranking system and a 6-star Bismarck reward

Though a ranking system revamp only fixes part of the problem. The combat system itself isn't completely enough to warrant proper ranking companions

[buoyant parrot]

I hope a staff or admin does read this text channel

they have plans for Guild thing but no plans on fixing PvP thing. Sad.

fix existing first

[charred sable]

my AL guild just consists of a bunch of whales from a previous PvP-focused mobile game that we played together (Valkyrie Connect)

would be pretty interesting if there were some kind of guild-vs-guild fleet battle system, but I can't imagine how that'd work

@buoyant parrot what "guild thing" are you referring to? Something new coming to CN?

[vague token]

gvg would probably work like pve, slow deployment over time

complete with trash mobs =D

[charred sable]

actually, it could be like the boss rush daily

each player sets up 3 defending fleets

[buoyant parrot]

@charred sable on the Q&A with CeO-Chan they said something about guild content thing

[charred sable]

and to beat a player, you have to defeat all 3 rounds of fleets with your 3 fleets

[buoyant parrot]

we don't know what that is

all we know is they have plan for it

[charred sable]

English Q&A or CN?

[buoyant parrot]

i think that was posted on the game-news way back january

[charred sable]

I actually wouldn't be surprised if it ends up being something like a "guild hall" where you can decorate as a group and throw your waifus into

[buoyant parrot]

can't recall just look there for the Q&A under game-news or server news

[vague token]

wow sirius barrage does hit like a truck

what a weird barrage

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

For amagi with 4 ijn, 410 or 406mm?

[worthy osprey]

whats a better dd gun for sirius, twin 127 or twin 100?

[hybrid tendon]

everyone in my list are doing sandbag

also guild wars seem nice

[split socket]

@coral wren 381mm, if u don't have it then 410mm

[idle python]

twin 100 for sirius

[solar pike]

God, juneau + south dakota with pearls tear is so bothersome

Invincibility skills in pvp are so dumb

[odd schooner]

Is this your first time fighting them

[solar pike]

Nope, its just a boring comp lol

I do not look forward to hiryuukai on en

i just lost to one though with having an entire vanguard and backline alive against sdoka + washington only

because of invincibility eating both airstrikes + bb shot

[jovial sedge]

[odd schooner]

Didn't know people are starting to feel wasd

When it was rampant few months ago

[vague token]

to be fair, invuln is nice in an era of speed run kills

pvp matches dont last long enough for dps to really shine unless you just absorb shots

with invuln xD

[solar pike]

I always avoid sdoka washington fleets

id rather take an akaga mirror

and pray

[vague token]

lol

[odd schooner]

There's like only 3-5 people with decent wasd up to now

[vague token]

id try wasd/a if i had desron

just to see how disgusting it is

but no jintsuu

so literally pointless

[odd schooner]

I don't even sell wasd now

[vague token]

na wasd/amagi is definitely solid

but since you have 3 guns you need to kill off your vanguard or theirs so the guns auto aim properly xD

[subtle whale]

i did something wrong

still no sirius

[hybrid tendon]

there are so many amakaga mirror I designed my frontline for a mirror match

a.k.a 3x torp bulge

with atago to nullify their aurora

[coral wren]

isn't 381mm for amagi a bit too overkill? she already has low cooldown with the ijn fleet, why not 406 or 410 for more damage?

[solar pike]

she uses 406 in pvp, but the 381/410 is more dps otherwise

[shy hazel]

pvp is fast and the furious

apparently gold broom allows amagi to pew pew even before belfast triggers mist

[coral wren]

so she might not live to fire the 2nd or 3rd salvo with 406, but would fire it with 381?

[shy hazel]

if it hits

properly

belfast goes half hp

or

enemy vg will burn faster

because the gun got burn

[solar pike]

The 381 makes you do better in the mirror i believe

But 406 generally gets to fire twice 90% the time for me

[shy hazel]

its simply just to make everything faster

[coral wren]

also, best way to get purple plates?

[shy hazel]

farm events

or farm 7-2

[solar pike]

i do 7-2

[shy hazel]

we dont have effective plate farming for events yet

need jb and white shell

just do 7-2

[coral wren]

i wonder if a lv60 jintsuu with kai parts would live in 3 7-2 battles with the lowest danger level

with more botes along her ofc

i guess she can live if i use unicorn or shouhou

[solar pike]

She probably would

[leaden sequoia]

if she can't handle 7-2, try 6-1 instead

[shy hazel]

jintsu may survive but your backline

not really

[coral wren]

the backline is lv73 doy

[hybrid tendon]

just spam w6

for the purple plates

[shy hazel]

go grind stuff first

[leaden sequoia]

I don't think lv73 doy can survive

[coral wren]

6-4 for yuudachi maybe? or 6-1/2 for essugee/belgun?

[leaden sequoia]

unless it's 2lb doy

[shy hazel]

go 6-1

[leaden sequoia]

with 2 secondary pew pews

[shy hazel]

u probably dont have enuf sg radars

probably

[coral wren]

i have 2 golden ones, 10 bps for the 3rd x-x

[hybrid tendon]

i use my level 47 DOY

on d3

[coral wren]

got a shit ton of purps though

[hybrid tendon]

manually

shes 94 now tho

[shy hazel]

manual 🚮

[leaden sequoia]

am I the only one who likes both

[coral wren]

jintsuu/ayanami/belfast or aurora?

i see more belfast builds on sandy

[hybrid tendon]

another metaslave

[coral wren]

well, as long as it wins

[leaden sequoia]

people seem to recommend 3 CL here

[solar pike]

Jintsuu belfast aurora imo

[leaden sequoia]

for consistency, I guess?

[hybrid tendon]

I ran Atago

[solar pike]

Dd's get murdered right now

[hybrid tendon]

to counter aurora

[shy hazel]

which will be destroyed by foxes anyways

might as well run 2 ships

[coral wren]

or aurora juneau jintsuu?

[hybrid tendon]

actually

atago survives like 50

%

[shy hazel]

pick your poison

[hybrid tendon]

of the time

[solar pike]

I value belfast over juneau in that comp personally, but both are good

[hybrid tendon]

so its not bad

all those meta bleb tho

cant torp me now

with 3x torp bulge

[shy hazel]

you realize that

no one cares about attacking you anyways

as long as u go to top left

your dead

no fleet shall survive

[hybrid tendon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[coral wren]

i wonder if people faced me in pvp

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

same here

[coral wren]

also, amagi in wasd, yay or nay?

[hybrid tendon]

at maxed levels and equip

people just .... win

[solar pike]

Amagi works in that comp yeah

[hybrid tendon]

coz 20% attacker bonus

[ionic magnet]

amagi can fit in any comp

[solar pike]

Enty or Amagi in 3rd slot

[coral wren]

would it work better than enterprise?

[shy hazel]

better than ent

[solar pike]

Err.. debatable

I think shes better yea

[hybrid tendon]

E deals more damage

[coral wren]

well, if i use amagi, do i still use helena? or replace with aurora

[hybrid tendon]

amagi has defensive passives

[solar pike]

Enty dies very easily right now

[shy hazel]

ent is useless when shes dead

[solar pike]

Before she can lucky E

[hybrid tendon]

well yea

[ionic magnet]

if you'll run ent you need juneau

[hybrid tendon]

70% fleets are akaga

[ionic magnet]

shes still very viable

[hybrid tendon]

or amakaga

[shy hazel]

do you know one of the best top rankers in pvp rn

[hybrid tendon]

[coral wren]

i didn't have problems with akaga fleets here

[shy hazel]

uses wasd + ama

took me 3 minutes to beat just because

[hybrid tendon]

top rankers

lul

[shy hazel]

what is his name again

i forgot already

[ionic magnet]

[hybrid tendon]

anyone can get top rank with sandbagging

[shy hazel]

oh

[solar pike]

Ik who u mean

[shy hazel]

Tatsuya

[hybrid tendon]

I got it all the time

[solar pike]

It's an annoying ass comp

[hybrid tendon]

at end season

even

[coral wren]

then what to use for wasd amagi backline, juneau belfast aurora 'til i get jintsuu to lv90 or so?

[shy hazel]

people can sandbag

[hybrid tendon]

wasd is just unreliable

[shy hazel]

but only few people stay at top 20 consecutively

[hybrid tendon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

its easy

[shy hazel]

not in avrora

[hybrid tendon]

i just dont want to waste effort

after getting gensui

[shy hazel]

easier said than done

[hybrid tendon]

and I'm gonna win against any fleet

anyway

200 affection on all

every meta ships oathed and maxed affection

every weapon + 10 ed

everything

[ionic magnet]

getting top ranks depends more on dedication rather than fleet comp

[hybrid tendon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

its just sandbagging

pure and simple

and luck

with people doing fights

[shy hazel]

you should realize how much sandbaggers in avrora put effort to it

and its not pure luck

you shouldve seen top 1 and 2 in avrora

been the same person

[hybrid tendon]

the amount of points you get

[shy hazel]

for 8 seasons

pogchamp

they dont need luck

[hybrid tendon]

depends on the other people

who did fights before you

[shy hazel]

its impossible to get to top 1-2 8 times just because of luck

[hybrid tendon]

there are no way for you to control it

[shy hazel]

its pure dedication to sandbaggery

[hybrid tendon]

its just luck

[shy hazel]

tell that to top avrora memers lol

[hybrid tendon]

giving a fuck after gensui

yikes

I

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

I'd just field my trash fleets and fight some other dudes with low def

for the free exp

thank you very much

[coral wren]

tbh i want to get a high rank finish too x-x, i managed to get only rank 3 early on, and 15 in the last 2 days

[shy hazel]

you realize everyone does that

nobody cares about any def fleet you put

itll get rekt anyways

easy or not

[hybrid tendon]

yea

try beating a 12k fleet

with your level 45 duke of york

[coral wren]

the best way to make use of the defense fleet imo is using hiryu

[hybrid tendon]

yea suree

S U R E

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

wasting the enemy's time

[hybrid tendon]

"top pvper"

lul

[ionic magnet]

what are you guys smoking

clearly defense fleet is for showing off oaths and skins

[hybrid tendon]

true

[shy hazel]

you live in casual pvper world

only top pvpers aim for top 10

[hybrid tendon]

more like people with too much time

[leaden sequoia]

inb4 new skin for Wash + anniversary skin for Sodak to have an excuse to use wasd

[hybrid tendon]

care about points after gensui lmao

[solar pike]

I use my attack fleet as defensive too just because

[hybrid tendon]

what a joke

[ionic magnet]

i want a juneau skin so bad

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

[hybrid tendon]

mine personal fav def fleet

looking for another swimsuit skin with huge bazongas

[solar pike]

[hybrid tendon]

to replace cygnet

[solar pike]

Takao lol

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

takao is too reserved

[shy hazel]

using >free exp defense fleet

[hybrid tendon]

and i like her oath skin too much

[shy hazel]

but has gears anyways

[leaden sequoia]

y no honolulewd

[hybrid tendon]

her swimsuit skin is not on EN

yet

swiggity

[leaden sequoia]

that's sad

[solar pike]

Deutschland l2d

if you're into being dommed

[hybrid tendon]

deutsch l2d looks bad

tbh

[solar pike]

it does

[hybrid tendon]

her dress skin is way better

even the chibi is great

[leaden sequoia]

well, there's Rodney, but she's purple

[hybrid tendon]

it has little bats

flying around

[solar pike]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/thumb/c/c6/QuincySummer.png/900px-QuincySummer.png

Wait for quincy

[hybrid tendon]

or i would just go full degen

with pingning

swimsuits

[solar pike]

Don't do that

[hybrid tendon]

pingning and z46

[leaden sequoia]

don't go full degen or don't with pingning

[solar pike]

Jintsuu's swimsuit skin has a nice butt

[coral wren]

jintsuu's skin is permanent on jp/cn, why limited on EN?

[leaden sequoia]

I have no problem with the former, tbh

[hybrid tendon]

the thing is only boobs show on the card

so in AL, boobs > booty

[odd schooner]

I'm afraid to scroll up

[solar pike]

You should be

[odd schooner]

Too casual

[shy hazel]

[stable panther]

Do hornet Doolittle strike deal touchdown damage?

[modern tree]

Yeah, they will deal touchdown. Every similar skill that spawns planes will, like Ryouju or Yorktown

[stable panther]

But hornet Doolittle strike doesn't spawn a real plane

Just a shadow that then drop bombs

[empty sinew]

cuz rank doesn't matter

it's the difference in points

[coral wren]

it hurts so much to raise lv60 or so botes..

[modern tree]

lvl 60 can start doing 7-2 if backed by Vestal and a decent 1:1. You can also do something easier and just force MVPs until they can get it at 7-2 and just get money while leveling your ship. It's rather fast until 90+

I suppose if you dont have gear or ships to do 7-2 effortlessly it would be a pain

[real notch]

with aurora i was running her since level 1

that was painful

manualed everything

[modern tree]

one 1k oil commision with dorm should put the boat close to 40, starting from lvl1 is pretty tough unless there is an event going on

[real notch]

anyone else testing with wasda

or should i swap to it for offense testing

also, just a note for sendai release

twin 381mm on amagi currently barrages at 7-ish seconds

[modern tree]

I am currently running the cookie cutter, not like I will be facing any serious fleets for the next week

[real notch]

if you want to time her barrage with sendai flare, you might want to switch back to twin 410mm

sendai flare is 10 sec activation

but since amagi barrage (with twin 410mm) fires at like 9.5 secs or something, even timing it then might be a bit dicey

depends if there's any cast time for sendai flare

and getting rid of HFCR isn't a good idea

[modern tree]

I mean, if you just want to abuse the flare you can slap on 406 and embrace the splash damage

its probably gross

[real notch]

what's the barrage timing for 406mm + HFCR on amagi?

[modern tree]

let me check

[real notch]

ok thanks

[modern tree]

it happens slightly before 10, barrage connects together with shells at 11

[real notch]

oh that's pretty good

wait, what

i could have sworn twin 410mm was slightly before 10

👀

[modern tree]

well

[real notch]

as well

[modern tree]

I dont have math behind me, I just slapped the gun on her and went to exercise

[real notch]

wait lemme do a double check

[modern tree]

gonna see 410

410 fires before 8

or rather, at 8ish

shells connect before 10 so its no good

406 is actually perfect tho, so its not a big deal

[real notch]

amagi barrage timers (shell connecting)
*assume maxed, HFCR

twin 381mm - 8.0 secs
twin 410mm - 8.9 secs
triple 406mm - 11.1 secs

this is what i tested just now

so ya the numbers are a little varied but

seems like triple 406mm is the way to time flare and amagi barrage