pvp

[vague token]

;)))

[zenith tundra]

lvl 110 will definitely help bbs at least till nagato hits

[vague token]

yeah

(and CAs heh)

[zenith tundra]

the problem is what ca is actually that good for pvp before pr ships

[vague token]

i mean, pr cas are like power creep incarnate xD

hard to compete lol

port kai's sheer bulk will probably work a lot better with 110 though

[zenith tundra]

my point is what does portkai do that helps so much in pvp over for example jesus belfast aurora jintsuu

[vague token]

gun trades mostly, it's not like any of the other CAs are team players

all of them are solo dps ships

but since cls get so little defensive stats

from the extra levels

[zenith tundra]

so outside of tanks ca aren't fit for pvp

[vague token]

CAs start becoming able to take AND dish

because they get so much more firepower and hp relative to the CL

[zenith tundra]

if roon is used for tanking do u think portkai can deal more dmg then her and be used for her damage?

[vague token]

wut, roon has more of everything than port kai

fp included

there's no scenario where any of the CAs will out dps one of the PR CAs xD

while still being tanky

[zenith tundra]

that's exactly it even power creep ca end up being used for their tankiness not damage

[vague token]

i mean

roon has 283 fp

at 120

that's like a tiny bit less than hood

so she can tank

and dps

most CLs are going to be paper in comparison to that

much less their damage output

plus dem gears that make them live

xD

[modern tree]

I love HMS but holy shit do I hate 3 bbs garbage. I almost lost the game because 4 volleys went to a backliner with 1 hp. Damage spread is so bad. I am this fucking close to dumping Hood for Ark just cuz she's a cv and it would be funny

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

gotta wait for centaur to carry

[modern tree]

Slow, dork shot, cuda torp wave

There's absolutely no downside

[zenith tundra]

7 min and we might get to see new core data shop

i'm so curious

also curious if it's the same for all servers

[vague token]

oh god

[zenith tundra]

only jp/cn player can tell us if there is a 0 days refresh but we'll find out soon enough

[shy hazel]

soon.tm

[zenith tundra]

20secs

[hot creek]

lol same shit

booo

[zenith tundra]

more 381

[hot creek]

where muh shells

[leaden sequoia]

core shop dissapeared

[shy hazel]

rainbow dildo soon

[leaden sequoia]

okay, relogin restored core shop

[vague token]

wait... is there supposed to be a cygnet event or w/e

[zenith tundra]

also rank 31 after reset with 10/10 wtf

[vague token]

or did my game glitch lol

[shy hazel]

swimsuit rerun

[zenith tundra]

it is up

[shy hazel]

cygnets

[vague token]

oh ok

[shy hazel]

i have it so

🚮

[vague token]

same

[zenith tundra]

still gonna do it just by playing

extra money is always good

[vague token]

huh, core shop completely repeated

i see the ca gun

and that jank plane

farther down

[zenith tundra]

same shop

[shy hazel]

basically speaking

[vague token]

guess ill go for CA gun

xD

[shy hazel]

our shop works as intended

[vague token]

port kai needs a better he gun =D

[zenith tundra]

well actually i think is not a bad idea for it to be the same because some people might have missed some points and not have a chance for the 381 while other people can just get more

[vague token]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

if it didn't start half way through february it would've been better but whatever

sakura boxes in monthly huh

maybe nagato is really close or vdir rerun

i think i'll get another 381 and then save for oxy

next month i'll be able to afford both oxy and something else at the 800 pt range

[clear cloud]

no shell

[vague token]

how much data do we get in a full month again?

i figure i can get the CA gun and another 381

[zenith tundra]

31x53+15x4 roughly

[vague token]

1703 or so

[zenith tundra]

1703 this month

[vague token]

doable

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[vague token]

=D

[zenith tundra]

i don't use ca so idc about that weapon at all

i prefer to save for oxy

[vague token]

that's fair

[zenith tundra]

3 oxy for my jintsuu aya kagerou formation

[vague token]

that's a lot of torp

[hot creek]

thats what i used for one of my EX comps

before i remembered Helena existed

[vague token]

lol

[drifting shadow]

Hmm 381mm or oxy torp for this month

[zenith tundra]

if u have 381 already getting another one would be good for multiple bb comps

[charred raptor]

If everyone starts using double torp Ayaya, I can imagine ships dying in the first pass

[drifting shadow]

Yea

And 381mm is scarce later on right?

[zenith tundra]

yeah so much harder to get

[drifting shadow]

Okay then, I buy 381mm first then save up for oxy torp

[zenith tundra]

u need 25 bp from research quests that are random in drops

[drifting shadow]

Bp? As in ship bp or equipment bp?

[zenith tundra]

equip bps

[drifting shadow]

Ah I see

That means grinding lol

[zenith tundra]

u cannot go for 1 weapon even if u want to because it's rng drops

[drifting shadow]

True

[zenith tundra]

if mikasa event is tied to shells then i guess we'll get them around the same time as jp got the rerun event August 30th 2018 - September 13th 2018

[drifting shadow]

Neat

[odd schooner]

I'm not sure if double oxy aya will be popular on pvp

Since sirius is here

And some ppl want a defensive ship

But eh

[zenith tundra]

i want to try double oxy aya against 3 bbs. gotta reach 40k dmg

[shy hazel]

wait what

what does sirius have to do with double torp

once w11 here

everything will be aurora jintsu and sendai all over again

[zenith tundra]

idk i feel like not running a comp the gets 100 to 0 in one airstrike

unless for some miracle that comp can survive amagi barrage plus akaga airstrike

i have 952 t3 plates for aux

and 36 t3 for mg...

main fleet need to stop giving me aux plates

[leaden sequoia]

you don't have any aux to spend purples on?

[ionic magnet]

go upgrade more repair kits

[shy hazel]

one rainbow dildo is like

400

aux plates

or 450

[leaden sequoia]

nah, rainbow equip costs 288 purple plates

[zenith tundra]

ain't rainbow like double the plates of gold?

yeah 288 double 144

[shy hazel]

was it only 288

its like going +8->+9

u need a hundred aux

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Equipment

[leaden sequoia]

54 for +6 -> +7
66 for +7 -> +8
78 for +8 -> +9
90 for +9 -> +10

[zenith tundra]

27 99 288 for rainbow in plates

[shy hazel]

anyways

i just ride the mainstream

and bought golden broom

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[shy hazel]

but im only getting one

rainbow dildo next

[zenith tundra]

did u had enough to buy it last month?

[leaden sequoia]

wow, what a dildo traitor

[shy hazel]

i always had enuf

[ionic magnet]

what happened to torp fetish

[shy hazel]

thinking

sendai isnt here yet

anyways

im not really keen on using it on ayanami

[zenith tundra]

i love torp but being practical is always better

[shy hazel]

aint u planning to buy 4 guns

hood guns

[zenith tundra]

6 if i can

[shy hazel]

im only planning for 2 at most

lul

nagato and amagi

[ionic magnet]

why stop at 6

[zenith tundra]

as many as i can tbh

before they go to research

[ionic magnet]

go put oxytorps on tirpitz and amagi

[shy hazel]

i may just do that

on some hard modes

we're still destined to get vdir rerun

because not yukikaze

3 rainbow dildos

[zenith tundra]

sakura boxes in monthly too

so sakura event is possible

[shy hazel]

wait really

[ionic magnet]

btw where do you guys farm for cv fodders

[shy hazel]

doesnt the box mean the event will be the nation too

[ionic magnet]

i feel like some maps drop more CVs than others

[shy hazel]

i didnt know that

lol

later maps feels like they drop alot

8 above

[zenith tundra]

we got hms last month event and royal boxes

i think the boxes were sakura with ce too

[shy hazel]

that's a thing to note at least

ty for info

[zenith tundra]

but according to jp calendar yukikaze next

[shy hazel]

vdir rerun

but we not

supposed to get reruns

for now

but we already have a pseudo original vdir

so who knows

[zenith tundra]

actually is new stuff rerun

like a rerun of ink-stained steel sakura

[shy hazel]

im looking to ink stained more yeah

lets wait till jp cn finishes shang event

im really getting the feeling ink stained rerun will have shinano

as ssr

[zenith tundra]

i think there is a week delay now in between jp and us right like wc started 1 week earlier then jp event

[shy hazel]

nagato buffs cv

shinano is the only big cv that ijn has

[zenith tundra]

i will be disappointed if the new ship in ink-stained steel sakura is yamato and we don't get her

[shy hazel]

yamato is too important not to have her own event

in my opinion

[zenith tundra]

hope so

still nagato event is supposed to be in may so i don't think we'll get it now

[shy hazel]

in any case

iris event is 50000% more important for en

than ink stained anyways

lul

best dd gun

best farming bb

[zenith tundra]

i hope is same date as original run

so at least i can do it on vacation from work

[shy hazel]

official said already 3 plans planned for en

i hope its not july - august

because im flying to japan

[zenith tundra]

well w11 is next

then we can get subs and maybe research

[shy hazel]

ima prepare 30k oil

for the inevitable sendai rush

for pvp

grind the ships needed to reach sendai

[zenith tundra]

tbh i don't care about sendai for pvp till nagato

[shy hazel]

then rush her

i need her for my torp rainbow dildo oppression

[zenith tundra]

don't think sendai is better then aurora and belfast is the only thing keeping my vg alive

[shy hazel]

nobody can replace aurora

im gonna run jint aurora sendai

[zenith tundra]

rip ur vg vs amakaga

[shy hazel]

eh

feels like

the same

i dont actually use belfast in my offense right now

lol

[zenith tundra]

who is ur third then?

[shy hazel]

ayanami

[zenith tundra]

i got stomped on against some mirrors too badly with aya

not going back to her

[shy hazel]

i just use bel on my delay fleet

she's still has full gears

[zenith tundra]

i feel sorry for sandy players... only having top 16 as bonus is so bad lol

[shy hazel]

well at least

its easier to aim aotn for their server

[zenith tundra]

this season in avrora u could have even aimed for top 1

[shy hazel]

lost one charge

i could've landed at top 10 at least

end season

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure i'm still 7-10 pts behind top sandbaggers

i'm at 2181 with all attempts but never gonna happen because i would eat a lot of +9 and +8s

not even worth trying for aotn

[shy hazel]

at least i think i can steady aotn this season

even without rushing

the bad thing rn

[zenith tundra]

rank 31 after this morning reset with 10/10 it feels like no one is playing

[shy hazel]

10/10 cant get +1 right now

cos our ranks too high

lol

feels weird

[zenith tundra]

yeah i totally agree

[shy hazel]

feels notavrora man

we got too used to too competitive top ranks i guess

[zenith tundra]

i hope i can get some bonuses from aotn triers

[shy hazel]

normally at genrush

i get about one +12

and 2 +11

after the rush

i doubt this season

maybe +11s

[zenith tundra]

if nanoda is next event then rip nakaga most likely...

also with nanoda i might switch to belfast aurora nanoda and forget torp rngs

[shy hazel]

still 10/10

poggers

[zenith tundra]

i have rank 34 in my list and only 30pts difference

[shy hazel]

oh speaking of torps

im also using it primarily for jb + jintsu pve event farming so ye

rainbow dildo

next to get

[zenith tundra]

jb as jean bart?

i'll get ibuki for elite nuking

[shy hazel]

yup

dunno i just follow mainstream and i always see raven just do jb+jint

so yea

considering pvp id go monarch for pr first

monarch -> louis -> roon -> ibuki -> neptune -> izumo

yeah thats why i want jb fast

[zenith tundra]

i hate hms so no thanks. monrch can die in hell for what i care about another barrage bb

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

my list is already full of so many bb i never end up using and monarch ap barrage in pve sounds unfun

[shy hazel]

uss has wash ijn has nagato amagi

hms has hood and doy for good barrages

but well

i still need monarch for a better barrage in pve

kms

[zenith tundra]

ap does no dmg to light tho

[shy hazel]

rather than just dmg

i just want a good barrage that can clear trash mobs

monarch is prep for ws kai full hms shenanigans

im gonna make all 6 anyways

[zenith tundra]

i'd use amagi or hood if i want a barrage boat or even nagato because her barrage can actually clears the screen

[shy hazel]

its a matter of prioritizing next

[zenith tundra]

both 30pts ahead

[shy hazel]

my oppo also rank 37

poggers

im rank 248

so prolly no bonus

[ionic magnet]

p sure linkybill already used his charges

fought him just after reset

[zenith tundra]

u can check in the top 100 if u get bonus or not

[shy hazel]

what u mean

[zenith tundra]

check his score

[shy hazel]

i mean my topleft most is rank 37

[zenith tundra]

and see if it's 35 or more

[ionic magnet]

35 pts gap = +1 bonus pt

[shy hazel]

lets see

32 pts gap

[ionic magnet]

rip

[zenith tundra]

rip

[ionic magnet]

hmm any idea how much gap is needed for +2 bonus pts?

[shy hazel]

oh wait

3073 - 2110

3110

37

[zenith tundra]

3110????

[shy hazel]

lets see if ill get

2073 i mean

lol

[zenith tundra]

2073 vs 2110

[shy hazel]

oh

im 2073

[zenith tundra]

i want 3k points but most likely unattainable

[shy hazel]

imagine them making pvp 3 weeks

poggers

[zenith tundra]

already u camp for +1 forever. maybe if they would start with higher bonus

[shy hazel]

to be fair

i didny know about that +35 stuff

new discoveries everyday

[odd schooner]

Not everyone is aware of it

Only knew it 5 seasons later

I always thought it's 200 ranks away

[shy hazel]

+1 indeed

[zenith tundra]

i didn't even know about the bonus till november almost december

[shy hazel]

9/.10 now

[odd schooner]

Hope i don't screw up next season. I almost got absorbed to another game

Absorbed back to be exact

Since operated by same person

[zenith tundra]

i feel so bad to have no competition the only time i actually don't waste attempts

my score as of now is barely 2581 pts with all +10 at end season and i feel like gonna be at least top 20

[shy hazel]

im gonna end as top 30 like last season

probably.....

@odd schooner i smell gbf

[zenith tundra]

what's that?

[shy hazel]

granblue

[zenith tundra]

@shy hazel what's ur ign?

[shy hazel]

StellaP

👀

i mean in this game

[odd schooner]

No, i retired from that game to play this one.

The other one. Still same person managing. But I bought few gems ytd to keep myself checked

[shy hazel]

puricon

[livid fractal]

Are you guys gonna rush later or compete for top season?

[zenith tundra]

don't think i could rush even if i wanted to because i would eat too many low scores

but i'm mostly going for end season top 10 so idc about aotn

[shy hazel]

im not gon rush

but not gonna compete in top season end too lol

i can probably get aotn just by doing it casually

[ionic magnet]

4am no thanks

id go for the 10am reset tho

then take 2 days break off from sandbagging

[zenith tundra]

never stop sandbagging

[livid fractal]

I'm pretty sure there's like 10-15 people out there that would reach 2200 later

Well then, might as well do it casually

[zenith tundra]

waiting paid off

[modern tree]

After changing my vg to Juneau Belfast Aurora, HMS is starting to feel like the old self

Maybe I just didn't test enough tho

[zenith tundra]

what gun are u using on qe doy? 406?

[modern tree]

Hell no

[coral wren]

im only on 2072 with 9/10

[modern tree]

410 so it damage amps my torps and qe 406

[zenith tundra]

can u hit vg with doy? it felt like almost always i missed

[modern tree]

Fought only one vg that was slightly too fast. Guy ran boiler on Ayanami

Rather uncommon

[zenith tundra]

isn't this like bis for both vg and amakaga

[modern tree]

Dork usually super carries me

[zenith tundra]

it's off by 2 pts on amakaga wonder why

[modern tree]

Something like this

[zenith tundra]

i never ended a fight so far because only testing

[modern tree]

This guy had my 11 and nothing else to teach me.

Between dork debuff and 381 on Hood, you no longer need Jintsuu for damage, Juneau feels really good as a replacement

[zenith tundra]

beaver on who?

[modern tree]

I like it on flagship

I might try something else when I have more time

[zenith tundra]

idk how i managed to lose both doy and hood before jesus

[modern tree]

I am not sure how that's possible. My Juneau survives only if I slay the vg in the first round of shelling. She has bulge and boiler

At +10, no need to gimp her

[zenith tundra]

im using buge toolbox on her

my bb shoots cannot hit jintsuu aurora aya

[modern tree]

Maybe your server is enlightened about boilers

[zenith tundra]

i just feel like playing rng like one time it works fine then i just randomly lose my vg before even 1 of the opponent vg dies and auto lose to torp

against this i cannot win vg fight at all

and by the 2nd airstrike my main fleet just gets demolished

2 people in avrora ready for aotn rush

[coral wren]

arent they gonna miss it by like a few points

at least if they start instantly

since theyll prob take a few +9 or +8

[zenith tundra]

nr 2 there already eat a +8

[coral wren]

damn

why arent they going up later anyway

i mean theres still 4 hours left to get like a sandbag or keep +10s

[zenith tundra]

that 1st guy score is only 18pts behind my max

[coral wren]

my max is around 2162 ish

[zenith tundra]

i haven't seen anyone under 20 pts difference in a while

sandbaggers finally stopped sandbagging

[real notch]

12897 is maxed backline @zenith tundra

idk about that VG since i don't use ayanami but there's so much variation in VG all the time it's hard to tell

Heres mine for reference

backline is standard maxed

VG is maxed (except for juneau who is not oathed)

meaning i can probably get another 66~ ish power from juneau oath

i use rainbow dildo, rainbow oxytorp, pearl, and badge on VG

[zenith tundra]

it's same score for me i guess i just remembered it as 12895 or something

[real notch]

12975 is definitely not BiS for backline

and 13.2k with ayanami seems kinda strange

too high i think

[finite valve]

13.2k = 100mm + beaver + dildo

i bet my butt that is what they use

[real notch]

hmm

actually ya

[finite valve]

also SG radar on all the other?

[real notch]

sine aya caps at 4.5k

and juneau is just shy of 4k

[finite valve]

cus i doubt tool box + buldge going to make it to 13.2k

[real notch]

so that would explain the 500 power difference

[zenith tundra]

with 100 raibow and dildo

[finite valve]

yeh

[real notch]

ye makes sense

[finite valve]

stupid meme lel

[real notch]

is VG 200 affection

[zenith tundra]

all of that is max oath

[finite valve]

fleet power means shit if you just going to lower your total effective dps

zzz

[zenith tundra]

also using beaver on jintsuu

[finite valve]

i use dildo on jintsuu instead

mine keep dying even in the middle

zzz

[zenith tundra]

i'm actually glad to see someone without double cata meme

[finite valve]

tbh is the extra HP really affect dps that much compare to 2 cata?

i use cata and oil tank

but dk if 2 cata is actually better or not

[zenith tundra]

in mirror so planes get damaged quite a bit

if u want touchdown dmg to be something u need oil tank

[finite valve]

cus of the %hp damage yeh

[zenith tundra]

u can imagine all planes shooting at all planes

[real notch]

same phantom lol

this is my jintsuu

[zenith tundra]

can't wait to see jet fuel in core data

[real notch]

wait jk wrong pic

this is my jintsuu, i'm not sure how else to improve her to stop her from dying lol

[finite valve]

@real notch i put pearl on belfap

[real notch]

base HP too fukin low

[finite valve]

and use tool box on jintsuu

since belfap is tanking

[real notch]

i use juneau so

[zenith tundra]

this is a better meme

[real notch]

i wanna space my heals

[finite valve]

lel

oh

well yeh if you use jesus

[real notch]

i am thinking of using belfast though

[finite valve]

i use jintsuu belfap and aurora

[real notch]

i am actually not sure which one is better in the mirror amakaga matchup

belfast or juneau

[finite valve]

so belfap got the pearl and tool box for jintsuu

[real notch]

i still think it's juneau but maybe it's belfast

[finite valve]

[zenith tundra]

belfast is definitely a better torp boat

[finite valve]

well jesus got the +40% AA + the heal

so i might say jesus is more favorable

but hey i don't use jesus so there is that

[lament lichen]

Juneua ends up living most of the times in the mirror

[zenith tundra]

the problem with aa is that applies only to self and u don't really shoot planes down

[real notch]

the thing I'M worried about the most is juneau dying too early

because i have her in tank spot

[finite valve]

which is what most jesus user i tend to fight lol

die at amagi 1 salvo

heal useless lel

[zenith tundra]

belfast makes ur entire vg tankier to cv (if rngs aren't trash)

[finite valve]

yeh that is another problem with jesus

[real notch]

but there's an aux problem if u try to field juneau not tank spot

[finite valve]

she is basically at tank spot

[real notch]

you don't want jintsuu or aurora tanking

and even if you say, tried to make aurora tank

[finite valve]

either die too fast or die too late

meh

[real notch]

she would need bulge and HP

but then, you run out of places to use badge

it's tricky

[finite valve]

i don't use badge

see no problem

[real notch]

wait badge is so good though

[zenith tundra]

idk how ur jintsuu dies because mine is most likely last one standing of the vg

[finite valve]

well yeh it is good but then you need to take into account that amagi comp suppose to wipe VG in 1 air strike

[real notch]

ye that's true

[finite valve]

so it is irrelevant on what you use

[real notch]

high EVA tends to help you somewhat

since fortune used to be so good at surviving airstrikes

[finite valve]

not with the CL killer aurora around lol

[real notch]

hmm, that's a good point

[finite valve]

since her skill affect base + gear stat right?

so more eva = more debuff

no point lel

[real notch]

so badge on amagi?

tradeoff SG for badge

slap on +1 toolkit/bulge in place for badge

[finite valve]

nah i use radar + hfcr

i just save badge for pve

[real notch]

hmmmmm

[split socket]

u don't really need badge tbh

at least for amakaga comps

[finite valve]

yeh

i use badge if it was wasd enty

in amagi comp i just ditch it all together

even more so with sendai

[split socket]

putting it on flagship reduces ur dmg potential, putting on vg probably gives u slightly more eHP but the difference is so small I barely notice a difference

[finite valve]

since eva mean shit with -40% eva from them

[real notch]

i think i might put it on amagi instead

[modern tree]

use badge for speed, wtf

[real notch]

yeah

[modern tree]

USE IT

[real notch]

badge gives speed too so

[split socket]

nope

[real notch]

i am definitely against not using it

[finite valve]

well we have 2 vote for yes and 2 vote for no

need a tie breaker

[real notch]

[zenith tundra]

don't use speed pls so my hms comp can snipe ur vg more easily

[split socket]

I'd go for speed if the meta was more BB comps

right now it really doesn't matter for amakaga

[finite valve]

@zenith tundra EN only bro lel

[split socket]

u just kill anything so fast anyway

[zenith tundra]

....

i play on avrora

gotta remove that yukikaze meme

[real notch]

i have a question

[finite valve]

pretty sure amagi can still rekt your hms lel

[real notch]

for you guys, when facing (high fleet power, close to maxed) amakaga fleets that use juneau

when does juneau usually die?

[split socket]

we are not using badge to give u hms peeps a chance

[zenith tundra]

1st i was joking kinda but without speed ur vg will die to bb like flies

[real notch]

high power closed to maxed like 12.6/12.6 ish fleets

[split socket]

usually the first 5-10 secs?

I run torp meme tho

xD

[zenith tundra]

2nd not using evasion because of aurora is dumb af

[finite valve]

< die at torp salvo if lucky or at amagi 1 salvo + barrage or at the worst it is right after foxes strike touch VG and not back line

so in all case jesus is never a problem for me

[real notch]

that's with juneau in front right?

[split socket]

^ pretty much

[finite valve]

unless i got rekt by RNG and my VG eat all their torp

which does happen sometimes lol

yep

[real notch]

hmm ok

[finite valve]

i even have jesus in mid or top

[real notch]

i might field aurora to front

and put juneau in back

[finite valve]

which sometimes force her to survive a little longer

not much diff

[modern tree]

juneau front cant survive vs aurora afaik, just dies to plane bombs befroe any touchdown happens usually

[split socket]

aurora shouldn't be front, shes so squishy and her skill only applies when she's alive

[real notch]

so back in my testing, with 3CV and wasde

[split socket]

imo jun shouldn't even be in amakaga

[real notch]

any enemy comp that had juneau in it gutted my winrate by 20-30%

[finite valve]

you never would want aurora tanking

[real notch]

like, if juneau was not there (replaced by belfast, ayanami whatever), i would have 90-100% wirnate

once juneau comes in

my winrate drops to like 70%

[split socket]

what vg are u using?

[real notch]

this was the case for hakaga and wasd fleets

i used...

jintsuu aurora belfast

[split socket]

hakaga is rly bad though....

[real notch]

lemme check

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=sharing

look at this for example

Katsushi (south dakota, enterprise, washington | juneau, helena, belfast) 13.1/12.3
current fleet (akagi, kaga, enterprise | belfast, jintsuu, aurora) 12.5/12.8

Foxes vs WASD

game 1 - win
game 2 - win
game 3 - win (ent duel)
game 4 - win
game 5 - loss (no E proc)
game 6 - loss
game 7 - win
game 8 - win
game 9 - loss
game 10 - win 
game 11 - loss
game 12 - win
game 13 - win
game 14 - win
game 15 - win

^ this is against wasd but with juneau in front

and this

Dracil (Queen Elizabeth, Warspite, Hood | Juneau, Fortune, Belfast) 12.6/13.1
Sirrequiem (akagi, kaga, enterprise | aurora, jintsuu, juneau) 12.5/12.7

Foxes vs. HMS

Game 1 - loss
Game 2 - win
Game 3 - loss
Game 4 - win
Game 5 - loss
--- At this point swap pearl to Jintsuu, torpedo bulge to aurora---
Game 6 - win
Game 7 - win
Game 8 - win
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - win
Game 11 - win

^ this is against HMS with juneau

now look at this

Higehigebomber (amagi, akagi, kaga | jintsuu, aurora, ayanami) 12.7/13.0
current fleet (akagi, kaga, enterprise | belfast, jintsuu, aurora) 12.5/13.0

Foxes vs. Foxes

game 1 - loss
Game 2 - win
Game 3 - win
Game 4 - win
Game 5 - win
Game 6 - win
Game 7 - win
Game 8 - win
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - win
Game 11 - win
Game 12 - win
Game 13 - win

this is against amakaga but with no juneau

[coral wren]

look at all those wins

[real notch]

i admit i'll need to do some more testing against amakaga fleets but

these tests prove that juneau has a huge effect on winrate

[finite valve]

granted i don't usually collect data

but most of my fight with jesus always a win

[vague token]

i mean, offense with juneau should be a win

[finite valve]

unless i got like shitty RNG and eat face full of torp

[vague token]

20% damage boost with 25% more healing

is like

[finite valve]

jesus matter little if she dies at 1 strike

which is what she usually do

[split socket]

🤔

[vague token]

oh, when i use her i put her mid usually xD

but i stopped because must protec

[finite valve]

your problem is trying to use jesus in the first place

lel

[modern tree]

jesus matters a lot if she dies at first strike, actually. Its just the matter of timing, if you already dealt most of the touchdown and she sinks, your opponent just got a full value heal

[real notch]

Ok im doing this test

Be back with results

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

my problem with jesus is why use a ship with more rng then u already have with torp vgs

i would try and remove as much rng as possible from my fleet

[finite valve]

@modern tree well yeh that is what mostly happen to me actually jesus dies when strike touch VG

so basically their whole back line got heal for 0

in the event that their jesus did survive first strike it mostly turn into their VG got destroyed and mine just deal free damage to their

[coral wren]

why would they not use belfast

[finite valve]

cus power fleet meme

[vague token]

because rng nuking

[zenith tundra]

jesus heal is very good if u know u'll need to last longer then burst damage from opponent like 3 bbs but on a comp like amakaga that is purely based on dealing as much damage as possible i find her usuelss

[finite valve]

nah is power fleet

[coral wren]

well yeah but its rng most of my fights go after the first barrage

[finite valve]

since you are on def

on off i might see use with ayaya

def is just to show big fleet number lel

[vague token]

aya/aurora is literally there to just randomly nuke your vanguard

cause they catch torps

it isnt good lol

[coral wren]

i never look at power numbers

[split socket]

that's why I replaced ayaya with sirius

[finite valve]

bunch of dege

[zenith tundra]

idk i feel like def fleet can make it harder for some people to win especially not meta comps

[modern tree]

damage only matters if you can deal enough of it, and granted, for now just going all in on it is rather effective, but as soon as you start lagging behind on those airstrike wipes, lasting a lil longer becomes pretty important.

[finite valve]

we are talking about top end meta tho

yes newbie will always get into trouble since they don't got meta shit

when you reach top end meta it is entirely diff

[zenith tundra]

i only see more damage once nagato hit not less tbh

[vague token]

well, nagato will at least push the damage later

instead of early

xD

[modern tree]

level cap will not increase your damage as much as it increases everyone elses tankyness

[vague token]

plus you can trryyy to dodge with boiler

[zenith tundra]

and running namaga is not an excuse to make nakaga any weaker

[finite valve]

is namaga even better then nakaga?

[vague token]

yes

[finite valve]

and which ga are we talking about?

baga or kaga?

[zenith tundra]

sounds better then namagi lal

[vague token]

actually wait

[zenith tundra]

but 3rd ship who know who'll be till taihou

[vague token]

hiryuu kek

jk

[split socket]

hiryuu kai would be the ideal

[finite valve]

i rather use taihou

since i like her better

for obv reason

lel

[vague token]

she has a lot of

plot

[real notch]

FUCK

[vague token]

i understand

[real notch]

i accidentally won

[split socket]

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

holy shit

[zenith tundra]

taihou is 1 yr event so kinda of far even from may when nagato should be

[finite valve]

rip +1

gg

[vague token]

only in AL will you hear "oops i won"

[real notch]

it's so fucking hard to reset test against amakaga

[vague token]

because we dont have a testing ground xD

[split socket]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

[real notch]

well

anyways

i tested 3 times

7 times less than i had hoped

games were pretty close

[finite valve]

lel

[real notch]

which means without 20% attack i'm toast

[vague token]

oops numbah wan

[split socket]

how did u win so many times against the previous comp then?

[finite valve]

with or w/o is not going to change much

[split socket]

the only difference was the position owo

[finite valve]

yes meta going to change

[real notch]

probably because 3CV is not that bad

[finite valve]

but not like it going to change from what we are using atm

[real notch]

also that amakaga was not maxed

probably some skills off

[split socket]

ic

[real notch]

because it was early in the season

[finite valve]

we basically just recycle like what 90% of the ship from meta?

same old shit just diff team

[real notch]

yamato

[split socket]

yamato with 0 aa

[zenith tundra]

namagi will use nanoda jesus and ???

[real notch]

i think i'll switch over to belfast

[finite valve]

i rather they use yamato hotel meme

[real notch]

i was monitoring my juneau HP

[finite valve]

each battle cost 100 oil

[real notch]

and after every amagi barrage

she had like 10-20% hp

and pretty consistently too

so meaning she'll consistently die before touchdown occurs

[zenith tundra]

broken amagi barrage too broken

[finite valve]

and still 0 info on when they decide to fix her barrage?

[zenith tundra]

when will they fix it

[finite valve]

like really now?

[split socket]

what's even broken with it?

[zenith tundra]

on def everything

[split socket]

they've already patched it no?

owo?

[finite valve]

her barrage is diff base on whether you attack or def

you can see for yourself

[split socket]

[finite valve]

on off it is a X cross at VG

on def is kindda like a reverse X if that make sense

dk how to word it but just look closely at off and def barrage

you will notice the diff

[split socket]

I'll give it a try once I get an opponent running amagi

[finite valve]

which is 99% of the top 1k

[real notch]

honestly fuck me

[finite valve]

lel

[real notch]

feelsbadman i fucked up that test

[finite valve]

another +0?

[real notch]

hey @zenith tundra can u try testing with ur fleet since ur also maxed

[split socket]

only the last dude got amagi

[zenith tundra]

this is amagi barrage

[split socket]

but I'm not going to risk an accidental +8

[finite valve]

that on off btw

[real notch]

naw those fleets aren't maxed

[finite valve]

on def it kindda dif

[real notch]

dude the guy that i had was maxed maxed

12897

[finite valve]

that using the 381 i presume?

[zenith tundra]

that vg is paper tbh

[real notch]

ye 381

[finite valve]

i never like the 381 zzz

[real notch]

tbh if it wasn't for the FP boost i wouldn't like it either

no particular reason to fire it 1.5 sec faster

[modern tree]

https://trello.com/c/SSYNS420/477-amagi-barrages

Trello

Amagi Barrages

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[split socket]

1.9

[modern tree]

heres the bug report, its not marked as fixed yet

[finite valve]

you can still see it in action

just need to actually look at the damn screen

lel

[zenith tundra]

https://trello-attachments.s3.amazonaws.com/5b7d67b6b448278b9d755f80/5c5e537658621a5b7c0a0b8e/633faebc2227816352c08f839f387c79/unknown.png

[finite valve]

how to call it like bowl shape on def?

[split socket]

V shape

or >

[finite valve]

dk

but yeh her barrage is fucked

[zenith tundra]

i'm not even sure the targeting part works on def

[finite valve]

well you can check if your back did take dmg or not

since it is easy

i doubt that shit going to hit VG tho

[split socket]

maybe thats why mirrors are so ez

[odd schooner]

[finite valve]

[zenith tundra]

@real notch what did u want me to try against that 12897 comp?

[real notch]

just test like 10 times

and record whether it was a win or loss

[finite valve]

need to post fleet for him

since his fleet might be diff from you

[real notch]

ya u can tell me later

just, if u can find a maxed amakaga fleet

that's the hard part

[finite valve]

is the diff in 3% of stat really that big of a diff?

[split socket]

sometimes

[finite valve]

i think at best it is around 50 to 100 HP at best

might be wrong

since i never like math

lel

[split socket]

I've seen my foxes survive with like 1% hp at times

[odd schooner]

3% usually lets your amagi live first airstrike

[finite valve]

and that is due to burn dmg

[odd schooner]

[finite valve]

which you can't die from

[split socket]

oh right

[finite valve]

if that was flood dmg then it might change

burn dmg mean shit if you can't die to it

[modern tree]

flood doesnt kill in pvp either

[finite valve]

oh

[odd schooner]

The planes will kill you

[finite valve]

then it matter shit then lel

[modern tree]

oh yeah, taking like 4k damage from fire because hood touched you with her 381 is no big deal

[finite valve]

again you are talking about off vs def

which let be real off will always win 99% of the time

if you got meta fleet

not to mention you got reset

if you was talking about non reset fight then i might see it as a game changer

but with the current pvp system?

nah

not aids enough to 200 w/o lvl break

[zenith tundra]

all my max oaths were on mlb lvl 100 ships

[split socket]

it's rather hard to reach max oath without hitting lvl 100

unless u purposely stall it by not lb:ing

[zenith tundra]

u just 1:1 farm 1-1 with 0lb ships

[split socket]

^ most pointless farm ever

[zenith tundra]

agreed

[finite valve]

saying 1-1 farm is not aids

ok?

[zenith tundra]

it's totally pointless and huge waste of oil

u also get nothing out of it

[finite valve]

which is what i was trying to say lol

[split socket]

I think everyone agrees that 1-1 farming is trash

[zenith tundra]

but i used my mlb ships to farm stuff and max oath in the meantime so i don't see how max oath is pointless in by itself if u get something else u want out of it

[finite valve]

well we all going to have 200 in the future anyway

not going to kill myself trying to get them now

zzz

"Patience is a virtue" by Piers Plowman

the more you know

lel

[split socket]

pretty much all of my oathed ships got 200 without actively farming it, they just got there by themselves when I used them in events hard mode

[zenith tundra]

this was too close for a stop

[modern tree]

they are re-adding exp storage after deleting everyones exp storage

[zenith tundra]

ofc makes sense since we need it for w11

it was just added at the wrong time

[finite valve]

still see no reason to why you need to fixed it

if you going to add it in like 1 month?

[modern tree]

if I released something 2 weeks early by mistake, I'd probably just let it rock

[zenith tundra]

they didn't want us to get an advantage jp didn't have. like we are competing........

[finite valve]

since when is JP or CN competitive in any way shape or form?

if anything they are the least competitive

[zenith tundra]

that's the reasoning if u ask any mods around here

[modern tree]

while I can understand delaying re-runs because of lore reasons or something

[zenith tundra]

@real notch
Munancho (Amagi, Kaga, Akagi | Jintsuu, Aurora, Aya) 12897/13245
ZackFairX (Amagi, Akagi, Kaga | Belfast, jintsuu, Aurora) 12897/12666

game 1 - win (5vs1 left)
game 2 - tie
game 3 - win (6vs1 left)
game 4 - win (6vs1 left)
game 5 - win (6vs1 left)
game 6 - close win
game 7 - win (4vs1 left)
game 8 - win (6vs1 left)
game 9 - win (4vs2 left)
game 10 - close win

Munancho (Amagi, Kaga, Akagi | Jintsuu, Aurora, Aya) 12897/13245
ZackFairX (Amagi, Akagi, Kaga | Juneau, jintsuu, Aurora) 12897/12387

game 1 - win (3vs1 left)
game 2 - win (3vs2 left)
game 3 - win (5vs1 left)
game 4 - win (4vs1 left)
game 5 - win (5vs1 left)
game 6 - win (4vs1 left)
game 7 - win (5vs1 left)
game 8 - win (4vs1 left)
game 9 - close win
game 10 - win (4vs1 left)

[modern tree]

its still cutting content but, shit, we will never know what happened in og WC

[finite valve]

[modern tree]

as if people care

[zenith tundra]

4 foxes comps in my list wanted to see how well juneau was against something else...

[modern tree]

but cutting 300k exp from my Hood was rude

[split socket]

some ppl lost millions owo

[zenith tundra]

tell that to my 900k qe and 1.1mil amagi also 300k jintsuu

[finite valve]

i wonder if they going to re farming all those lost exp

[modern tree]

yeah, I know, it's not a contest, I think

[split socket]

just saying haha

[finite valve]

is going to be fucking funny if no one going to re farm all those exp in fear of another wipe and just wait till lvl break

[split socket]

I was pretty lucky cause I didn't even notice the xp was being stored until 1 day before the fix, so I only wasted oil for 1 day max :x

this time they've announced it officially though

so I'll say it's pretty safe to farm. Otherwise apologems

[modern tree]

I thought that exp storing is tied to auditorium so I never used auditorium cuz I wanted to keep the exp

[finite valve]

next hot fix they say that the exp overflow is too high and going to wipe it cus reason

LMFAO

[zenith tundra]

4hrs for a lvl accumulation that was fixed in 1 sec patch?????????

[split socket]

and they'll remove it april 2nd cause it's an april joke

[finite valve]

you just jinx us bro

well at least w11 going to have good shit to farm

[split socket]

"next hot fix they say that the exp overflow is too high and going to wipe it cus reason" someone started it first

[finite valve]

mainly bofor

no fucking way iam going to farm 5-4

also 11-4 got both sb2c and tbtsk for those that need them

[zenith tundra]

i would go to 5-4 since i have like 200 t2 general plates

[finite valve]

win win lel

[zenith tundra]

but idc about bofor that much

[modern tree]

by the time you can farm w11 you will have like 700 purple boxes stacked

[split socket]

jokes on you, I've opened all my boxes

[zenith tundra]

i open t3 for free t2 plates

[finite valve]

maybe amagi

or jintsuu

[real notch]

thank you so much @zenith tundra

[zenith tundra]

main bb 1st

[finite valve]

going to wait for enough mental for foxes tho

[split socket]

amagi > kaga > akagi > jintsuu > bel > sir for me

[real notch]

the only thing you changed was juneau and belfast?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[real notch]

wow thanks so much for the good comparison

i'll add it to the guide

[zenith tundra]

wanted to see the difference

[real notch]

yea it gives some more results

on which works better for offense

since they were all wins it's kinda hard to tell but

the mechanics of the fleet are originally very consistent so

that makes sense

[zenith tundra]

i think juneau is more consistent then belfast

u can avoid flip coins with her easier because ur amakaga is higher hp because of heal

[real notch]

hmm

what does the close wins mean btrw

[zenith tundra]

like

u can somehow still lose if ur slower then opponent

[modern tree]

yes, event

sirens have boss tier loot for plates, so they drop 3-5

[zenith tundra]

this are all the ones flagged as close wins in order

[modern tree]

I find d3 really easy to farm, but do the one with the most sirens you can do efficently

[zenith tundra]

i use d1 so i can 1:1 doy for mobs

[split socket]

if ur done with event pts farming, u can also skip rest of stage after sirens

[real notch]

ahhhhhhhhhh ok

[split socket]

pretty effective for farming for bp / plates

[real notch]

so basically u were being smart (unlike me) and were pausing before the swarm hit backline

[zenith tundra]

my boss fleet is a meme tho. shou zui sirius lvl 90 with jintsuu only lvl 100

idk about this one (is the tie one)

it maybe was a win or just 1vs1 left at the end idk

[split socket]

if ur planes are BiS

ur planes will always reach the other end faster

[zenith tundra]

i have to use the god damn torp bomber from event because only have 1 gold cuda

u get 150 mental units from dailies and it takes 200 for lvl 105 for sr

[finite valve]

4 days for 3 SR

not bad

[zenith tundra]

2nd plus 1 of the day

guess good enough

[real notch]

btw zack

in your tests, how often was it that your amagi died before juneau heal?

[zenith tundra]

i'd say mostly of my dead ships were vgs

i remember a try were jesus was still alive at the end with amakaga as well

free +1 from getting rank 6 in list lol

[real notch]

[hot creek]

gensui rush Pog

except not on Sandy

[zenith tundra]

gimme +1s pls

[modern tree]

rushing is overrated

[zenith tundra]

need another 16 for 2.6k

[real notch]

oh fuck i found udino again

[livid fractal]

Meanwhile somewhere out there can pass 2.6 like it was nothing

[real notch]

[livid fractal]

[real notch]

i can complete the rest of my tests

[coral wren]

i dont think i can make it to 2200 without one free win

[real notch]

poggers poggers poggers

[zenith tundra]

i had a wasd but was short on time to try against it

[coral wren]

since ill be on 2060 with 5 left

how much below do they need to be for a +8

35?

[zenith tundra]

i think it may be that u get +10 if rank is above u but same score and +9 if rank below u and same score but it's just speculation

[real notch]

also i think you're right, juneau gives much more backline support

[coral wren]

ok i will check for us since i can

[real notch]

the VG is almost worthless, they're there just to shoot opening torps and then die

i think it might be valuable to put badge on amagi

just to keep her alive for longer

[zenith tundra]

i actually switched to juneau as main comp want to see if in the long run there are issues with it

smoke is still a bit of rng in the end because if ur ships don't stay in it u just eat full damage

[real notch]

ok i have results posted

Udino (amagi, akagi, kaga | aurora, ayanami, jintsuu) 12.9/13.2
Sirrequiem (amagi, kaga, akagi | juneau, jintsuu, aurora) 12.9/12.7

Foxes vs. Foxes

Game 1 - win
Game 2 - win (close)
Game 3 - win
Game 4 - win
Game 5 - win
Game 6 - win
Game 7 - win
Game 8 - win
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - win```

pretty expected results

i love how amakaga is so consistent you probably not even need to test 10 times

it's gonna be the same for 20, 50, 100 probably even

[zenith tundra]

then when i try hms the results are all over the place

[real notch]

i feel like if i use belfast, i'll start regretting it because she doesn't really do anything for backline

maybe i'll slap aurora as bottom slot

and test that for a bit

[zenith tundra]

i used jesus as tank to try and heal my vg as well since u don't really need full heal on backline

[real notch]

ok i've made some changes

badge onto amagi

aurora tank

let's give this a shot

[coral wren]

nice i got +10 for someone who was lower than me

[zenith tundra]

already 2 +1 from the rush

[real notch]

oh interesting, amagi with badge instead of SG is -15 fleet power

[coral wren]

i literally cant beat anyones fleets now for some reason

[modern tree]

if you got points then they probably played before you finished and you got lucky

[zenith tundra]

i prefer hsfcr and sg for max hit rating

[coral wren]

yeah they played before i think

[zenith tundra]

amagi hit is pretty bad by default and don't think badge saves her from touchdown dmg

[real notch]

no ur right it shouldnt