pvp

[shy hazel]

still on topic restart chan

[hollow dawn]

sure

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

[drifting shadow]

I am curious that you can get 1 airstrikes to defeat the backline.. With what composition?

[shy hazel]

i wont say 1 airstrike

id say

[finite valve]

nagato foxes + aurora + sirius

[shy hazel]

airstrike + torp strike

[finite valve]

also provided that the enemies don't use belfap

[shy hazel]

if everything hits

[drifting shadow]

I rarely get 1 airstrike + torp strike backline kill

Usually it took me 2 airstrikes to completely finish the game

[shy hazel]

its rare but it does happen

when u literally torp slap enemy vanguard

[drifting shadow]

Oh you mean its rare? I see then lol

[shy hazel]

and 2 dies before even first strike

[drifting shadow]

Yea I get if it is rare then lol

I thought it is common

[shy hazel]

i doubt even sirius can make 1 airstrike wipe possible

i highly doubt it

lol

[finite valve]

well unless your name is bisko there is no way you can snip the entire backline in first salvo or air strike

lel

[shy hazel]

u mean ws kai

poggers

[finite valve]

WS kai need to use her salvo to kill

bisko say fuck it and use her skill

instant death

[drifting shadow]

Is rainbow magnetic torp better for pvp?

[shy hazel]

[drifting shadow]

Or just regular torps?

[shy hazel]

magnet torp is best

for jintsu

[drifting shadow]

Okay then

[shy hazel]

or ayanami

[drifting shadow]

I am not wrong

Lol

Magnetic torp at jintsuu

[shy hazel]

and rainbow dildo too

if u have it

[drifting shadow]

Yea ofc

Lol

[shy hazel]

man of taste

[drifting shadow]

Now then, I will lurk here and will read interesting research about new pvp team at some other time

evil laugh

[shy hazel]

nothing to find here

[finite valve]

meh

[shy hazel]

just braindead sandbaggers

[finite valve]

meta get stale the more you know

just the same old shit day in and day out

zzz

[drifting shadow]

Kinda wished that I don't play in avrora thanks to sandbagging

Maybe life is better at other server

[shy hazel]

sandy and wash got it ez

[finite valve]

sometimes i wonder if i do pvp because it became a job or what

[drifting shadow]

^

[shy hazel]

lul

[willow storm]

ok i just added on another repair tool

[shy hazel]

when u wake up late night

[drifting shadow]

I have to reset game every hour

[willow storm]

on duke

[shy hazel]

just to get +1

poggers

replace that aux gun

[drifting shadow]

Oh interesting

[shy hazel]

u need bento gun

for pve

[drifting shadow]

AA gun could be better as well?

[shy hazel]

@finite valve do u know the name

i only know street names not actual names

lol

[red nexus]

Borfos on everything

[willow storm]

i dont have a lot of good AA guns

[shy hazel]

the bento gun

he probably needs it for bomb ships

poggers

[finite valve]

don't ask me

[drifting shadow]

Wait bofors or twin 113mm?

[ionic magnet]

bento gun? 👀

[finite valve]

you mean 120 or 127?

or belfap gun?

[shy hazel]

the square aux for bomb ships

[ionic magnet]

these names are getting weirder and weirder

twin 152?

[drifting shadow]

This one?

[shy hazel]

er

[finite valve]

you don't use that shit for fire boat

[ionic magnet]

wth is that

[red nexus]

Ain't that an advanced 152mm?

[finite valve]

tbtsk?

[shy hazel]

twin 128

they call it lunch box gun

in jp

[ionic magnet]

ah dd gun

[shy hazel]

its cl

[ionic magnet]

works too yea

[shy hazel]

the square

[shy hazel]

there

the best gun for fireships / bombships

use that for pve

[ionic magnet]

its dd gun

[red nexus]

Dual 128 ap?

[ionic magnet]

dont confuse me

[shy hazel]

i never used it as maingun so i tot it was cl

[willow storm]

i have one of those but its purple

[finite valve]

i call that brick gun

lol

[shy hazel]

its the best anti bombship gun

i mean

theres only purple

[red nexus]

And blue

[finite valve]

i distinctly remember they call it brick / bread gun

not bento

[shy hazel]

dont use the blue ofx

just use that

oh ya

its bread gun

lol

[red nexus]

Well but blue exists

[shy hazel]

ok u win

blue exists

but dont use blue

[ionic magnet]

1 more weekly mission and ill have gold broom

[shy hazel]

use purple

wow elitist

grats

youll have it

a day earlier

than others

rainbow dildo still the best

[drifting shadow]

This name...

Gold broom is the 381?

[finite valve]

yes

they call it hood gun btw

not broom

[shy hazel]

if only we had one ship with those stats

godmode

oh nvm

i tot its 9999

then its 000

[finite valve]

only exp is 999

the other are all 0

[shy hazel]

why is your justice loli on orange though

loli abuse

[modern tree]

Hood with new gun seems oppressive

Or at least really effective against foxes, since I don't think you can launch fast enough anymore

[solar pike]

Its a very good gun on her for sure

[zenith tundra]

new amakaga bis power looks better now

this gun does no dmg tho... 700 dmg on vg

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

100 less dmg on a fox from 1075 to 900

[brittle hill]

-4 rip

[modern tree]

This gun exists to enable barrages so 200 less damage per hit or something on average is rather inconsequential

It also still sets fires

[zenith tundra]

it feels like if u don't proc u deal so little dmg tho

anyone here leveling up vicky? (non pvp purposes)

then i don't need u

my vicky is lvl 70 and don't know if i want to lb her or not. i have purins and nothing to use them on

amagi barrage is amazing tbh. she has that part that goes the same way as ur normal salvo

i saw it when using doy amagi with doy flagship in d1 and that part of the barrage is pretty amazing considering it can go anywhere even hit ships on opponent end of the field

also gonna try doy with 381 for fun

[warm saffron]

hi is it worth lvling akaga rn and using it as my attack fleet?

or should I use WASD

[split socket]

if u have amagi, otherwise stick with wasd

[zenith tundra]

why would amagi be vital when the one thing that makes akaga op is aurora

ofc amagi is amazing at protecting foxes but not mandatory

u can even run enty akaga sirius with aurora and belfast

[split socket]

ur right, so if u have either amagi or aurora then :3

[hybrid tendon]

sirius aurora + 1 ijn bote

I'd use.........atago

[modern tree]

It's not good unless everyone plays it

[hybrid tendon]

[zenith tundra]

not worth it because mirror wrecks ur vg without belfast. at least for now u can survive akaga with her

[hybrid tendon]

so sirius or aurora

🤔

[zenith tundra]

sirius if u ditch amagi for enty

[split socket]

lol no

[hybrid tendon]

🤔

[split socket]

sirius works perfectly fine without 3 cv

[zenith tundra]

i'll try when i get maxed out sirius skill

[hybrid tendon]

its hard to ditch belfast

[split socket]

I'm already using her at lvl 95 and lvl 9 yellow skill

[finite valve]

or better yet just use sirius in pve and let the big boi handle pvp?

[split socket]

bel sir jin vg

amakaga

[zenith tundra]

i leveled red skill so i can meme

[split socket]

wrecks pretty much any def comp

[finite valve]

forcing sirius into pvp is kindda well force

sure her skill buff foxes but is that really needed?

[hybrid tendon]

I'm using aurora bel atago atm

🤔

[finite valve]

unless you can somehow kill front in 1 air strike

[zenith tundra]

sirius will be pvp once nakaga hits

[split socket]

Is a 3rd ship even needed? Lets all run 2 ship vg

[finite valve]

i don't see any reason in forcing sirius in

[split socket]

I dont see any reason in forcing a 3rd ship in

[zenith tundra]

no longer torp memes and pure akaga opness

[finite valve]

yeh i can see sirius + nagato

but atm i am not really sure

[split socket]

well give it a try

[finite valve]

since you still need 2 air strike to win anyway

[zenith tundra]

only for enty akaga not amakaga for now

[split socket]

and I'm telling it already works with amakaga

when u haven't even had the experience of it

smh

[finite valve]

so who you cut out?

[split socket]

aya

[finite valve]

jintsuu?

oh

i don't use ayaya

[split socket]

Amakaga Bel Sir Jin atm

[zenith tundra]

can u kill belfast comps in 1 airstrike?

[split socket]

no

not like it matters

u don't need 1 airstrike to win

[finite valve]

if that the case just use the normal comp lol

[zenith tundra]

so it's not better then aurora

[split socket]

I'm just saying it's viable

[finite valve]

2 air strike is like the min to see if a comp works

so if they both win in 2 strike

not really much of an improvement

[split socket]

also I don't have aurora so I can't comment about that

[finite valve]

oh

[zenith tundra]

well sirius is a good substitute for aurora then

[finite valve]

well in that case i might see usage for sirius if you don't have aurora

[split socket]

I think so too, that was my intention from the getgo with sirius

[zenith tundra]

also more accessible somehow lol

[finite valve]

if you have her however then sirius is not needed

[split socket]

also it helps that I like sirius a lot more as well lul

I'd probably still not swap out sirius for aurora since Sirius is already performing well enough

I barely even have to reset anyway

[finite valve]

wonder what a pair of melon + being a maid can do to horny male

lel

[split socket]

swapping for aurora for a better comp isn't needed atm

I don't doubt that aurora is better though, I just prefer sirius _

[finite valve]

melons for day

zzz

[split socket]

melon meta x3

[zenith tundra]

i prefer sirius chibi over the pic lol

[modern tree]

Chibi game is stronger than sprites in a lot of cases

[split socket]

the chibi arts are sprites owo

[zenith tundra]

the problem is that sirius stats are really bad even with her bonuses from cv she's still pretty much a barrage boat

[split socket]

^ auroras as well

worse even 😛

[modern tree]

Sirius has big, meaty hp pool and AA, you don't really need vg for damage

[split socket]

sirius is just kinda hybrid

worse skill but slightly better stats

[zenith tundra]

against belfast i would definitely prefer aurora over sirius

[split socket]

I'll try aurora once I get her

s_s

for now, I'll stick with oppai maid

[finite valve]

so how is the 381 in pvp for amagi?

i still prefer the 406 tbh

[split socket]

lul still haven't tried it cause no one on my list is doing pvp

zzzzz

[zenith tundra]

idk what big difference there is in between 410 and 381 in timing to make 381 much better

[split socket]

barrage

[modern tree]

It's fast, has 20 more fp, if you can barrage every time it's really dumb

[split socket]

^

the ap gun that everyone shat on already did well in that regard

[finite valve]

unless you can somehow make 3 salvo before you win

i see no reason to swap it out

[zenith tundra]

yeah but barrage dmg only work when u proc it. without barrage u lose quite a bit of dmg

[finite valve]

unless you want big fleet number

[modern tree]

It's not a significant amount of damage. It's also about hedging your bets and shooting first

[split socket]

I believe in avg u'll dish out more dmg unless u have rly bad rng

[zenith tundra]

20fp won't make a bigger difference in dmg compared to losing 150dmgx6 salvos

[split socket]

also being able to shoot faster is often the difference between a win or loss

a dead ship can't attack back

[finite valve]

but then the next question is can you force a 3 salvo?

[zenith tundra]

yeah and my point is what is the difference in timing that makes 381 much better

[finite valve]

cus every fight end at 2 salvo at best

so no reason to use 381 if you can't force the 3 salvo before you win

same argument as forcing sirius in pvp

[split socket]

5.57s faster vs 406

[modern tree]

Pretty sure you can push out one more barrage over 406 easily, Hood shoots at 14 and 30, Amagi can probably do third shot few seconds after second fox strike

[split socket]

1.9s faster vs 410

[finite valve]

@split socket it can be a 1 hour faster then the 406 the only thing i care about is whether the 381 can force a 3 salvo BEFORE you WIN or not

cus all my fight end at 2 salvo

[split socket]

and idc what u care about, I was responding to zack anyway.... owo

go try it out for urself if ur so curious lol

[zenith tundra]

timings for amagi at 200 oath are 7.72 24.24 40.76

[warm saffron]

🤔 should I do:

Kaga
Amagi
Akagi

Cleveland/Helena/Laffey/Ayanami/Jintsu(when I finally get her)
Aurora
Belfast

Or

Enterprise
Sodak
Washington

Cleveland/Helena
Aurora
Belfast

[zenith tundra]

if ur battle last enough for that u can get a 3rd barrage

amakaga is an easer to win and faster comp now days

[mental sierra]

Yo guys

does Amagi count in the 4 IJN ships to trigger her skill?

[zenith tundra]

i would go for meta slave jintsu aurora belfast amakaga

[split socket]

yep

[pearl nimbus]

Yes.

[mental sierra]

Good

[pearl nimbus]

So Amakaga is already 3 IJN ships

thereby running Jiintsu/Ayanami is enough

[warm saffron]

btw is belfast still good

or nah

[mental sierra]

I don't have Jintsuu so I'm doing Amakaga: Belfast + Aurora + AyaKai

you need Belfast

[zenith tundra]

yes u only need 1 ijn front and jintsuu is usually better because she boost dmg of other torp ships

[pearl nimbus]

Bel is still good yes

[mental sierra]

in the current meta

[split socket]

belfast is meta af uwu

[warm saffron]

kk

[pearl nimbus]

You don't need her tbf

Juneanu is a nice sub for her

[warm saffron]

it's just im not on W10 yet so jintsuu is longer term goal

[pearl nimbus]

When using Amakaga comps anyways

[warm saffron]

though I had 20 lvl 100 and 50 lvl 10 skills

xD

just been farming events too much tbh

[split socket]

what are you running together with jun in vg @pearl nimbus ?

[pearl nimbus]

AyaKai+Aurora

[zenith tundra]

belfast is so ur vg doesn't implode on 1st airstrike of opponent akaga

[pearl nimbus]

I mean Bel definitely fits in my vg

But atm my vg is doing alright

I need Jiin though

[finite valve]

all you really need for meta atm is amaga and aurora

rest can be whatever tbh

[pearl nimbus]

ye

[split socket]

doesn't even need aurora

[hybrid tendon]

I'm running Atago to counter aurora

[warm saffron]

im just slowly grinding it 😛 (sodak is almost done and akaga needs to get the blue skill buffed)

[hybrid tendon]

shes so annoying

[warm saffron]

since I have 4 +10 gold steam catapults

[zenith tundra]

u need either belfast or juneau tho if not it turns mirror in a coin flip

[warm saffron]

hmm

[finite valve]

unless you like to live life dangerously

then don't use either

[split socket]

u dont want to use 4 gold catas in pvp though

[warm saffron]

for a defensive fleet should I do WASD + enty + belf + juneau + aurora?

[leaden sequoia]

Jun is not really needed in torp teams because this comp focuses on DPH rather than defense, right?

or more accurately, trades defense for DPH

[pearl nimbus]

Jun is still amazing

[finite valve]

never go full retard

the reason for belfap and jesus is that they act as safety net

[mental sierra]

I shoved AyaKai in the back of my vanguard so that her torps fire 3rd. Which hopefully means Ayanami will have triggered Supernatural by then

[finite valve]

sure you don't need them per say but your front might die to their fox strike

[pearl nimbus]

Amakaga v Amakaga can be flipped by Jun heal and Pearl Tear.

[finite valve]

i prefer a safety net then go full yolo

[pearl nimbus]

Same.

[split socket]

@leaden sequoia jun is better for stalling, but whole point of amakaga is just to beat the other team as fast as possible so jun is more like glorified deadweight imo

[pearl nimbus]

Stalling? So long as she lives through the first round of torps she's already useful.

[split socket]

yea but u lose out on dmg potential

[leaden sequoia]

I see some people prefer front like Aur/Aya/Jint to strike right in the first 3 secs and if the strike didn't happen, reset until it does

[split socket]

u might've already won with torp vg

[pearl nimbus]

you're not wrong, but Jun is still great

[split socket]

I can see jun on def fleets, but offense I'd still prefer torps

no doubt. Her heal is pretty op

[leaden sequoia]

I'd use Jun against fleets that are stronger than me

[split socket]

just saying, I'd prefer fast match which is pretty much the point of amakaga for me anyway

[leaden sequoia]

can't be sure I can survive longer than the opponent

[hybrid tendon]

to think amagi just got even faster with the 381

[split socket]

[pearl nimbus]

ye

[hybrid tendon]

but it hit for like no damage tho

[split socket]

makes up for it with her barrage owo np

[pearl nimbus]

Her barrage does enough.

[mental sierra]

The damage difference between 381 and 410 really isn't that big. Unless you were comparing it to 406 @hybrid tendon

[split socket]

^

[finite valve]

i have enough experience with my amagi not procing both barrage so nah i still use the 406

[mental sierra]

[split socket]

u can probably still field 406mm if amagi is used in top / bottom like a lot of ppl do with fleets like wasd+ama

since barrage isn't as effective in those positions compared to mid

[finite valve]

too RNG dependent

sure if your amagi can proc 100% of the time

mine proc like 50% of the time

not going to do it

[split socket]

ur just noticing it more when it doesn't proc

its all in ur mind

[modern tree]

The damage difference is about 17% vs 410 for faster barrages. Or something. Doing math on phone is weird. The difference is that if you shoot faster than your opponent, you will most likely win. 406 probably still works alright because Boilers are still an alien item on EN

And there's no damage difference between 406 and 410 shells, just number

[finite valve]

tbh since most fight your front always suppose to win the diff between 406 and 381 / 410 is not really that big

it only a problem if both front die and it became a back line fight

[split socket]

tldr, pick whichever gun u like ?

[finite valve]

it call theory crafting bro

[mental sierra]

I like firing and possibly barraging in 7 seconds so I'mma go with that for now

[modern tree]

It probably actually doesn't matter for Amagi, ergo, use 381 for big penis numbers

[finite valve]

might do that some other time

[pearl nimbus]

[leaden sequoia]

so 381 is better used to speed up farming rather than PvP

[finite valve]

need gold to mlb my SR

[leaden sequoia]

not proccing when farming is not as "life-threatening"

[finite valve]

no gold to +10 the 381

zzz

[pearl nimbus]

I have to compensate for my size so I'll stick to using the gun with the bigger numbers.

[zenith tundra]

i think speed is crucial in pvp as ability to last

[leaden sequoia]

yes, but again, too RNG

[finite valve]

if that the case ain't the 406 better?

since you going to do more DPH

[pearl nimbus]

I can't wait Hiryuu kai then. Stall ftw.

[finite valve]

and not rely on RNG

[zenith tundra]

killing 1st is always best strat

[leaden sequoia]

whereas when farming Amagi always survives unless you're idiot enough to put a fleet too weak to survive

[split socket]

@leaden sequoia with amakaga, most battles end in 20-40 secs. Dmg difference isn't really that big that u will lose by using 381mm even without procs

[finite valve]

381 is strictly for barrage usage only

so unless you proc all your barrage

it is not worth it over the 406

[split socket]

so I see pretty much only gain when u do proc :o, after all, the sooner the enemy ships sink, the higher ur chance of winning

[finite valve]

and there are time when your amagi refuse to proc

forcing you to reset

lel

[split socket]

I guess flank 406mm and 381mm for mid for now

[zenith tundra]

406 is less proc dependent weapon while 381 is most

[split socket]

also, I've been using that german AP gun even before 381mm, and that one already worked wonders

[finite valve]

bread gun?

most of the time their front won't even meet your amagi

[split socket]

it's both slower and damage should be worse (against vg), so 381mm should be better

[finite valve]

so i doubt it matter

[split socket]

@finite valve 380mm main gun, not the bread

[finite valve]

oh

[split socket]

the gun everyone shat on without giving it a chance 😄

[finite valve]

[split socket]

I happened to maxed it for ex stage, forgot about it and kept using it in pvp

and since it did well I just left it there

[finite valve]

more like your foxes just do more heavy lifting a useless fox kappa

[split socket]

maybe haha

[modern tree]

406 is the same degree of rng. Does not matter how many shells you put out there if they miss the vg or overkill a backilner. It's just perception, but doing things that make you feel good is also important

[split socket]

still tho, the gun was fast so it served its purpose as a barrage proccer anyway

[finite valve]

you know what going to feel good?

white shell

for those big number

lel

[split socket]

on another topic, is white shell better or black?

[zenith tundra]

yes because of hit rating

[modern tree]

Actually, should try the hms quad thing with Amagi reload. It doesn't matter if you shoot only twice per game if you win

[finite valve]

isn't the gun bad due to the spread?

[modern tree]

White Shell is superior since you would only run Black if you were already running White

[finite valve]

like too much spread which result in miss

[split socket]

anyone done the math ?

[modern tree]

Acc translates to crit rate

[finite valve]

well the next question is how often does you even crt?

crt only worth it if it does crt

[modern tree]

So white shell technically gives you everything

[split socket]

if only

owo

[finite valve]

well not really a problem if you have nadoka

[modern tree]

You probably still want one offensive and one defensive aux unless you are going ham, in which case it's double shell

[finite valve]

nadoka alone make it so you can go full on yolo with your back line

[split socket]

or the gold fcr + shell

25% faster shot too good to miss out on imo

[finite valve]

same

[split socket]

opsie

[modern tree]

Fortunately we have only one gold fcr so we don't really have to choose between it and shells

[finite valve]

if only they add event exclusive reward in PR

[modern tree]

Unless you run foxes I guess, but then your aux choices on Amagi probably don't matter all that much since cvs is what carriers you anyway

[split socket]

won't be long before nagamon comes and breaks up the fox trio tho

choices.. choices...

[finite valve]

well nagato is still a fox

i mean her wedding skin got shit ton of foxes in it lel

minus the tail

[split socket]

yea, but u won't be running a 3rd fox in a namagi comp

[modern tree]

Just run Baga, ez

[zenith tundra]

nakaga will still be pretty strong even with namaga around

[split socket]

guess we'll see, nakaga feels like a legend by now

[finite valve]

atm i am just waiting for PR 2 news

want me some kraut boat

[pearl nimbus]

[zenith tundra]

i already know ill run aurora sirius sendai nakaga defense fleet for the memes

[split socket]

can't decide which PR to go for first

they all look so good

[zenith tundra]

ibuki for me

[finite valve]

roon > luis > monarch > ibuki > izumo > nep for me

[real notch]

saint louis for me

[pearl nimbus]

Louis > Nep > Ibuki > Roon > Monarch > Izumo for me.

I need me some french boat

[zenith tundra]

nep and ibuki before roon

[finite valve]

who need nep when you have minne

[leaden sequoia]

Louis > Monarch > Nep > Roon > Ibuki > Izumo for me

[pearl nimbus]

I need Nep so I can run Nep with Nep

[leaden sequoia]

this looks like anti-IJN bias, kek

[finite valve]

[leaden sequoia]

I need more HMS memes

[real notch]

as long as pr comes with 120 it's saint louis

otherwise it's nep

[leaden sequoia]

but baguette comes first

[zenith tundra]

i'll get anti hms bias

[finite valve]

getting the ship is ez

mlb them however is not

[zenith tundra]

that's good tho u can at least try them out before investing

[leaden sequoia]

I think we only have 4 yanderes total

not enough for full yandere meta

[zenith tundra]

i'll get roon for her mg reload skill fuck her fucked personality

[split socket]

I mean.. most ships are til u max them 😒

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah, it's quite snazzy.

[leaden sequoia]

Dork/Hood/Monarch vs Nagato/Amagi/BBaga 🤔

[pearl nimbus]

Louis for maximum dorifto

[leaden sequoia]

and a Siren bane

[zenith tundra]

all u need to try roon is mg+1

and maybe barrage

[leaden sequoia]

strangely, that applies to non-HMS PR in general (the Siren bane bit)

[zenith tundra]

ibuki needs lvl 15 break for the double preload

[split socket]

what does mg+1 do on roon?

[zenith tundra]

it's for her skill. u charge it twice per mg cd instead of once

plus ofc the damage

[split socket]

so she shoots twice the amount a normal CA would?

or am I misunderstanding it

[leaden sequoia]

like a USS gunboat, I guess?

[zenith tundra]

she shoots like a gunboat while not being one

[coral wren]

Since everyone is using Amakaga with them fast airstrikes. shouldnt Sandy be Meta to counter them with her AA?

[leaden sequoia]

she doesn't survive torp opening tho?

also doesn't bring anything else from her AA gimmick

[zenith tundra]

sandy kai yes. meme sandy no thanks

[leaden sequoia]

it's just that her AA abilities don't compensate her loss of utility in other areas

[zenith tundra]

planes are still best planes counter and it doesn't stop amakaga in mirror from killing stuff

[coral wren]

with 381 in EN how much is the max fleet power for backline with amakga now? I have 12897. also is 381 better or still 406?

[zenith tundra]

12897 is bis amakaga with 381

[leaden sequoia]

381 to go full barrage mode, 406 for retaining her shelling power on the flank

if you trust your RNG, go with 381 on mid

[coral wren]

I was kinda wishing it would reach 13k

[split socket]

12897 is max

[zenith tundra]

i'd run a 9k fleet if it wins every time

max for bis u can always go higher

[leaden sequoia]

you can't flex with 9k tho

[zenith tundra]

if i can win with 9k who cares

[coral wren]

gonna use BTD to reach 13k

[split socket]

def fleet != offense fleet

u can run a 9k fleet offense and flex anything in def

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather have the 9k winning over a 13k losing even on defense

[modern tree]

Sandy AA and skill is sufficent to be considfered up until the point you discover her "crybaby" sister Juneau that has about the same stats and her skill is a lot more reliably useful

[leaden sequoia]

I dunno if that's the case with AL PvP but big numbers can scare off inexperienced players from ever touching your fleet

so you don't lose your position

[zenith tundra]

i mean losing to a 9k is a nice meme

[split socket]

ppl fighting ur fleet or not has almost no bearings to ur pvp rank

in most cases anyway

so it really doesn't matter lol

[leaden sequoia]

Juneau is a defensive Atlanta
Sandy Kai is an offensive Atlanta
Sandy is a meme Atlanta
and Atlanta is a neglected Atlanta, kek

[split socket]

[modern tree]

Atlanta is just consistent Sandy that nobody needs

[leaden sequoia]

I still raise her with Sandy and Juneau for when I get bored enough to unleash meme AA frontline

[zenith tundra]

my jesus and sandy are already lvl max

[coral wren]

should I use quint rainbow torp on jintsuu or ayaya if I have jintsuu at front and ayaya at back?

[zenith tundra]

i usually prefer rainbow on jintsuu and gold quad on aya

[coral wren]

ok. I will give that a try

[leaden sequoia]

reasoning being "Jintsuu strikes first someone down, then Aya spreads torps for everyone else"?

[zenith tundra]

for pvp tho i use full quint so opening doesn't feel as much rng

[split socket]

rainbow torp on ayaya is more consistent imo

[coral wren]

I have quint mag torps too. hmm

[split socket]

I don't like using quads at all since its so easy to miss them

[zenith tundra]

i don't use aya and would only use her for bb comps

[leaden sequoia]

but I would take magquads over plain quints cause I saw many times how homing could fix bad launching angle

[coral wren]

using quint actually seems really good. even if ur vanguard starts with up or down movements . the spread is so wide it goes toward center anyway

[coral wren]

Hm, now when i look at izumo skills she looks really bad

[solar pike]

Yea shes the worst pr ship

[modern tree]

Her barrage is similar to Nagato with better chance to trigger, she's not hopeless, but she is in a tough competition

[solar pike]

Any bb that comes out gets compared to nagato/monarch/amagi, so though competition indeed

well, sr bb ofc

[coral wren]

Is en shitwiki correct, that she had an increased chance of getting set on fire?

[solar pike]

pr ships have drawbacks on their skills yeah

like, saint louis has this skill

Increases own HE damage dealt by 15% (35%), and lowers chance to ignite by 3%.

[coral wren]

Now i know why ppl don't even consider her in pvp, since noone uses ap there

[solar pike]

yeah

[modern tree]

its 6% from highest caliber fire, so BBs, and it scales down with gun calibers, so its less for CAs, less for CLs, and less for DDs

[solar pike]

Not very

[modern tree]

so against BB guns that have 50% chance to ignite fires already, 6% is super whatever

[solar pike]

I know people use Ibuki alot in pvp

[modern tree]

its just the extra tick that hurts a little bit

the problem with this skill is that it might as well be all negative because only instances of AP damage in pvp are HMS barrages

[coral wren]

When they design new ships they pretend pvp doesn't exist. That would be nice if they pretended that pvp existed, but i understand that's not where they make the most of their money so i don't expect them to do that

[leaden sequoia]

the X-shaped component in Amagi's barrage is also AP, but it deals less dmg than HE components and is not a main source of damage anyway

[modern tree]

I think that pretending they just ignore pvp is foolish because pvp is one of the core gameplay loops and just abandoning it is a ridiculous notion.

[leaden sequoia]

someone posted here that devs want same stats for ships in both PvE and PvP

so I'd want to have different stats for PvE and PvP to make balancing easier

[modern tree]

like, new core data items, the beacon and jet fuel are not something that would ever seem designed for pve

not for a second

and I think there is nothing to balance in pvp atm, "optimal suff" is pretty much all stage drops or gacha and you get more options with event shit, it's all perfectly reasonable

at least for EN

surely once we get more event garbage it will start getting narrowed down to which event ships you abuse

maybe

[modern tree]

I wish more people ran Aurora so I can test against her. Nothing I played against today offered much resistance to 381 Hood with whatever frontline

[real notch]

^

[hot creek]

i've never dropped a second Aurora from construction after I lucked out on my first.

[modern tree]

I did

[hot creek]

new pokemon game is set in Britain All hail The Queen.

[modern tree]

but I didnt get a single stage drop of doy after almost a week farming and now my doy is just farming herself, at mlb, so if I get it its just 10 medals

feels good

[hot creek]

im leveling affinity at A3 for the past two days, still no fiji kill me pls https://puu.sh/CSbRr/25e224e942.png

[modern tree]

I got her while I was farming c3 before b stages were out. Why are you not farming hard mode exactly?

with threat level c3 is quite easy

[hot creek]

Hard mode is annoying setting up 1:1 fleets

also my benson gets obliterated by sirens

[coral wren]

same

her droprate is rigged

[hot creek]

maybe ill try and set up again after danger levels

and now that she is higher leveled.

[modern tree]

I just set one fleet and dump the other for requirements, something like this, manual is easy mvp control

can use the other fleet for boss if necesary, since they will have stats to just smack it

[hot creek]

well what i currently have is this

https://puu.sh/CSDiV/2071f0bbe0.png

and i dont really wanna manual lol

[modern tree]

I suppose its bothersome

but so is getting more than 1k torp stat

[vague token]

d3 is 1500, such a troll

xD

[modern tree]

It would be worse if the boss didnt die to torps

but she does, very fast

[vague token]

oops

fixed

thought i was in a different discord lol

[modern tree]

[hot creek]

no one on sandy has overtaken my EX score yet.

not even hackers.

it should be easy to beat, seeing how other server's top scores are way higher.

[leaden sequoia]

sandy server is dead

[modern tree]

seeing how I lazily beat it with 4 boats just to get the medal and I am 73, the competition is quite fierce

[split socket]

I'll give it some more tries once I finish farming event

[modern tree]

yea, I still have way too much oil to play around with a mode that will be there for next 2 weeks. Gotta max my Duke's oath

[split socket]

@hot creek did u get that score with or without enty btw?

[hot creek]

no enty. I used Hyuuga

[split socket]

u ran another comp than the torp vg ?

[hot creek]

No, still using torps

[split socket]

hrm kay uwu

[modern tree]

just use saratoga or duke

make the torps hurt more

[split socket]

my duke is still lvl 30ish

[hot creek]

I don't think Doy would help the cause in any way. Saratoga on the other hand...maybe.

[split socket]

saratoga might just be what I need for this 😮

less rng to juggle with

[hot creek]

Would only need Saratoga for her barrage to help clear the inital trash botes

pretty sure by the time she gets an airstrike, boss should be dead anyways

[split socket]

u can clear the initial trash without help from backline tho

and without torps

but it's like... 50/50

[hot creek]

not fast enough

[split socket]

depends if u equip guns on ur vg or not

you need to ram ur ships into the last boat to make it work

[vague token]

uh oh

xD

[hot creek]

dew it

[split socket]

gogo

[modern tree]

also, you might want to consider Tirp if you care only about clearing the way to the boss faster

it might be better than saras barrage

the torps I mean, its on the same timer

[split socket]

I'm already kicked off top 3 so idc anymore for now xD

clearing the way to boss isn't the problem though

it's landing enough torp dmg to kill boss in like 5-10 secs after she spawns

[hot creek]

I guess Sara and Tirp skills are next in the skill leveling queue now

My sara is underleveled too, which would slightly help the score

[split socket]

I'm worried that she can't launch planes fast enough tho

[modern tree]

dang, I cant abuse the system because I have every ship that is worth anything maxed

[split socket]

humblebragging

[hot creek]

boss should be dead within 27 seconds minimum

I could improve that time if I were to somehow mash out four face torps in a row with enough accuracy

[split socket]

took me 31 secs to get 7,3k, makes sense

it's pretty much impossible to 4x face torp though

I have never even seen 3x work unless I delay it til boss goes back to top

[modern tree]

run boilers to break the speed limit

[hot creek]

I do run boilers. I get x3 face torps easily

[split socket]

sounds plausible

is that the secret haha

[hot creek]

fourth might be possible with mag torp shenanigans

but idk

havent been pushed to try it yet since im still #1

[split socket]

i'm alrdy running 2x mag torps, quad gives me so much headache

[hot creek]

wanna know my other secret? I dont use rainbow dildo

[modern tree]

magtorp is slower than 610 so you would have 610/mag/610/mag which leaves the last torps magnetic so even if you miss you might hit

[split socket]

how tf

I guess the 3x face torp really makes a difference

[modern tree]

ramming speed

dont get banned

[split socket]

hm saratoga airstrikes are too slow 😦

[vague token]

i feel like without jintsuu there's no way to really compete for that xD

[split socket]

I even switched to comet and pirate plane

[modern tree]

use junkers and zero

or fulmars

junkers has respectable damage and is slightly faster

fighter damage will prolly be irrelevant

you mostly run it for th e damage boost to torps and the 10 sec barrage either way

[split socket]

yea, I don't rly care about the airstrike dmg, but I'll have to wait either way cause I'm out of gold rn

wish there was some aux similiar to the gold fcr but for cv

[modern tree]

there is bacon

just not on EN

whole 4%

[hot creek]

airstrike damage irrelevant, you want to undergear anyways so bringing equips on your CV would be a detriment

[modern tree]

nothing better to undergear than fulmars

[split socket]

problem is that it needs to be fast enough to be ready in 20 secs

[hot creek]

bringing nothing was what i was implying

[split socket]

otherwise the dmg buff just gets wasted because it's during the first few seconds that u spam those torps

[modern tree]

with nothing her airstrike will be like 40 seconds so I guess you arent using it

[split socket]

was doing pirate comet comet

[hot creek]

indeed. just need a barrage to help clear trash botes

[split socket]

it was rdy in like 25-26 secs?

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CSHjP/da12123f3b.png tfw you upgrade fast reload MG to get a shot before 20 second mark.

but damage is so shit it can't sink a trash boat anyways

and end up going back to FCR

[split socket]

xD

[modern tree]

its quite amazing how this gun has nothing but speed and it's only a second faster than 381

[hot creek]

hmm I wonder if 381 is fast enough

[split socket]

would beaver work instead of boiler?

[modern tree]

you play pvp and you dont have 4 boilers maxed?

[vague token]

i honestly thought that gun would have the same stats as the CA gun

[hot creek]

I think I cut out the beaver. costs too much for what its worth

[vague token]

just usable on a bb slot

so you could shoot super fast for no damage

lol

[split socket]

my best boiler is at a whopping +3

[modern tree]

#en pvp

[split socket]

not like u rly need the boilers anyway

[vague token]

port kai appreciates boiler on others

cause she slow

xD

i have 1 +10 boiler for that

[split socket]

I'll stick with toolboxes, that way my ships are useful on pve too without swappnig gear

I might grind a lot, but I'm lazy af when it comes to swapping gears lul

[hot creek]

I dont use that many boilers for pvp but I do like them for daily raids.

[modern tree]

which one?

[split socket]

🤔 wut

[vague token]

wut

[spice pagoda]

how good would Amagi/Akagi/Kaga/Sirius/Jintsuu Kai/Benson be? im just thinking of CV damage memes

[leaden sequoia]

I assume the torp one

[modern tree]

oh you are about to have your mind blown

[split socket]

the torp one can be done with lvl 1 ship alone

.........

[modern tree]

imagine you can sit in corner

and just move up and down lazily

[split socket]

^

[modern tree]

for 5 fuel

[hot creek]

useful for Laffey and Jintsuu. Suicide bomber daily, Boss daily. I like to manual them both 1:1

[modern tree]

monitor and mahan

[leaden sequoia]

I like to kill botes and find new ways to kill even more

[hot creek]

but lately ive been lazy with the suicide bomb daily and just stick a BB mid and top while having laffey sit at the bottom

[modern tree]

I 1:1 suicide bomb with Rodney holding the shitty german gun you posted above and a gunboat up front, actually cant fail

like 25 oil tops

[leaden sequoia]

so I run Enty/Ranger/wildcard CV, right now Sara for widescreen DPS

[modern tree]

cutting oil costs is a great hobby

[leaden sequoia]

I dunno if it's possible to kill all torpbotes with BiS gear 🤔

I only have 1 gold steam cata for everyone

ah wait, I forgot

[hot creek]

@modern tree dont tell the casuals in #gameplay-help or they'll ream you for being a cheapo

[solar pike]

My vanguard positions are correct, right ?

[modern tree]

I mean, I am a cheapo but I had Jintsuu before we even knew danger level is coming

[leaden sequoia]

Right now it's Akaga + Ranger to strike 3 times with Akaga

[modern tree]

those positions look fine

I would experiment leading with Srs since shes beefy and her skil is worded in a way that makes it seem like her being alive is irrelevant

[solar pike]

Yeah her buff stays after death

[modern tree]

so she can just eat torps fr you and sink

[solar pike]

So far testing of Sirius is I win a lot easier than with Belfast

[modern tree]

then you'd want jintsuu second probably, which is the spot shes okay with

[solar pike]

Akaga oneshots everything unless they got Belfast

[hot creek]

I came from KC, which was basically a resource management simulator that happened to have shipgirls on the side. Cheaping out on oil is in my blood

[split socket]

shit

[vague token]

o.o

[split socket]

I almost did it in 26 seconds

hesitated because I was used to waiting to launch my 3rd torp 😦

[vague token]

w h o a

[split socket]

boss had 3 bar hp after 2x torp T_T

[modern tree]

man, you overtook me so hard in attack count, I need to take vacation to catch up

[hot creek]

You can thank 7-2 gold farming and Victiorius day 1 oath for that.

[vague token]

dear god

[modern tree]

I still dont have victorious

[hot creek]

I ended up getting to gold hard cap before WC released.

in the end, didn't even need that much gold to get all the gacha ships

[vague token]

still missing grenville but we have what

2 weeks?

[hot creek]

but I got another UFO out of it and its nice to have insurance to leverage against bad luck

[split socket]

this is .....

notice Ayaya already ded

T_T

[hot creek]

its okay, by the time the timer goes under 2:33 you should have reset anyways

[split socket]

she died 2:33 tho haha

before even launching her 2nd torp wave......

[solar pike]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/304761882277969923/550455091262390282/image4.png My sirius isnt done yet, but i think my gear is right?

[split socket]

thats what irks me

[solar pike]

I think 100mm is right anyway

[vague token]

only the finest of quad torps for 190 torp stat

lol

[split socket]

I'd swap out 100mm imo

her barrage is kinda meh :/

[modern tree]

her barrage is alright, but auto cant really aim it

I think its a wash between 100mm and 127gold

[solar pike]

Yeah thats the 2 diff guns im testing

But i can't tell a big diff

[vague token]

pvp enemies dont have enough hp for it to matter

before amakaga destroys them anyways lol

dps would matter if vanguards had like

10k hp

then the difference would show

unfortunately vanguards die under 20 seconds soo

[modern tree]

I also like Boilers instead of toolboxes, at least 2 for a 3 CL front, physically dodging out of the way of bombs and shells is criminally underrated

Don't apply above unless you can spare the plates tho because Boilers are quite underwhelming in pve

[split socket]

I like seeing ppl use boilers and rngesus punishes them by making their vg run into 5 torps in a row too

[solar pike]

Boilers being?

[modern tree]

I have never had a situation in which my VG running into over average number of torps created any issues, especially 3 CL ones since all of them can hold bulges. Maybe if DD's were still used that would be an issue, but if you are using a DD, boilers lose a lot of value because DD IS your boiler

[split socket]

I think its more of a problem in def fleets tbh

20% extra torp dmg is quite a lot

[modern tree]

yea probably

and we are talking about Advanced Boiler, that purple and gray thing in your inventory you never really looked at because HP and Speed, what's that

[solar pike]

Ahh

yeah forgot about that one, heh

I have a beaver badge on my Amagi atm

[modern tree]

I tend to overvalue speed, dont mind me, pretty sure everyone else in this chat is doing just fine with 0 boilers when I run at least 2 on my CL fleets and I ran 4 for suicide wasd

[ionic magnet]

i tried boilers before but it just kills my vanguard faster tbh

[modern tree]

gotta catch all the torps

[shy hazel]

boilers

[ionic magnet]

id gladly take 1 or 2 BB shells over 2-3 extra torps

but then again depends on comp i guess

but 3 CLs with beaver works just fine for me

[shy hazel]

until u use avrora or china ships

pog

[modern tree]

I wouldnt because that 1 bb shell has 50% chance to set fire, deals extra damage to light armour and hits your entire VG. Torps deal 20% less damage vs light and they tend to not splash a lot, they also dont set fire which is the thing that will actually kill you

[vague token]

especially since now we have the 381 on amagi lol

fire before smoke

reee

[ionic magnet]

fire supp meta

[modern tree]

YKKZ does not leave dock without a fire extinguisher, so yea

[haughty latch]

So what kaga is used in EN fleets?

[ionic magnet]

CV

[haughty latch]

Alright thanks

[shy hazel]

use bb one

[vague token]

maybe if bb kaga had a 70% activation

on her barrage

instead of 50

lol coin toss

[shy hazel]

all good things alrdy went to kaga

i mean

amagi

lul

[modern tree]

Lets quickly do math on how much fire damage you will take from one 381 shell fired by Hood. 133 x 1.1 x 1.4 x 4.88 x 0.6 +5 is 604 per tick for 5 ticks so roughly 3k damage because BB touched you and you lost a coinflip. Burn damage.

[shy hazel]

well probably see an akagi bb when the event

reruns

oops

bc

[vague token]

akagi BC?

xD

[shy hazel]

still pretty far in the future

[ionic magnet]

well 1 torp is atleast 1k dmg and can go up to 2.5k depending on gears so it still hurts a lot more

[shy hazel]

the future of plate farming is jb and jint

double dildo for jInt

[vague token]

what's jean bart's perk again?

[modern tree]

if you factor in that you also take a damage from the shell and your entire VG is getting hit and they are possibly all on fire now, then nah, torps are smalltime

[shy hazel]

simple terms

15k crits

on manual

[vague token]

o.O

[shy hazel]

bb fire

can go up to 18 iirc

[ionic magnet]

actually even with just beaver my vg rarely gets hit by BB shells (1-2 at most) while when i tried boilers they are taking atleast 2-3 extra torps

heck ive seen my vg eat torps that are supposedly missing so often and its just depressing

[vague token]

i really want a choosable movement pattern

[shy hazel]

ruriko aoki

[vague token]

to be something added

just like fixed ones

[shy hazel]

sirius voice

[ionic magnet]

yes yes

[shy hazel]

they chose a cheap cv this time

but well see

[charred raptor]

How many points do you need for Admiral of the Navy ranking?

[split socket]

2200 and top 10

[brittle hill]

And the blessings of RNGesus

[hybrid tendon]

no you just need to consistently sandbagging

[leaden sequoia]

blessings of IRL RNGesus that you don't miss attempts

[shy hazel]

speaking of sandbag

avrora sandbagging went from bad to worse

i cant even get plus one now

[drifting shadow]

^agreed

[zenith tundra]

either that or no one is playing pvp this season

[coral wren]

its getting harder and harder in sandy

i literally can barely go down to 5/10

cos its so hard to find someone with points above

im 23rd now with 5/10

my poor sleep schedule

[zenith tundra]

at 9/10

[coral wren]

im getting like 3 or so extra points per 5 usually though

im only 1907 with 5 left

sandy is like 14 points ish behind

cos nobody does pvp so nobody can ever sandbag

[hot creek]

if nobody ever sandbags then it all comes down to playing in the last 10 or so minutes of each reset

now things get more interesting

[coral wren]

yeah sadly thats like staying up until 8am for me

[hot creek]

and people are at risk of losing charges

[coral wren]

i used 3 charges in 1 min before

by hammering the new opponent button frame perfectly

[hot creek]

can't do that when people have proper defenses. always a chance of having to reset

[coral wren]

yeah i had to reset for trash fleets or id have lost them

[zenith tundra]

i do my attempts like 10-20 mins before reset so i don't get all the sandbaggers that wait till last second to do their attempts

[coral wren]

if you get zack wait until 9 mins before reset for free point

[hot creek]

i got a sandbagger last reset but he started doing his pvps with 10 min left so I wait 5 mins and collect the +11

[zenith tundra]

i don't want to wait till last 5mins to get a bonus

[hot creek]

thanks amakaga meta

[coral wren]

[zenith tundra]

i prefer getting one early and then hope for more later

[coral wren]

i was the first person to say amakaga btw

i coined the term

[ivory vine]

i dont like the term

[coral wren]

too bad

time to sleep now good luck with +11s

[shy hazel]

scumbag sandbaggers

[hot creek]

if everyone sandbags, no one sandbags

[zenith tundra]

is worse when they are sleep sandbaggers

[hot creek]

whats a sleep sandbagger

[zenith tundra]

the ones that wake up in the middle of the night to do charges before reset like me

[vague token]

thats hardcore

[leaden sequoia]

bonus points if wake up without an alarm clock

[vague token]

oh it's time for 10 matches

[livid fractal]

They attack last 10 minutes of the reset.

[shy hazel]

that will give me like

occupational disease

wake up just for the sake of pvp bonus

thats so crazy

[vague token]

and matches used

if you have me get yo +1

[ionic magnet]

[livid fractal]

I can't get points unless they aim top 50 above..

[shy hazel]

sooooo

what u ppl think of shang skills

lol

its like airstrike smorgasbord

[vague token]

oh, are they on wiki?

wut, she gets an actual recon mechanic?

she should boost BB accuracy with it

lol

instead of just self

how much hp does the little fighter that could get?

[shy hazel]

its only one so can assume itll get rekt fast

stacked five times

[ivory vine]

5 times

after 50s tho

[vague token]

im assuming it needs the fighter alive

[ivory vine]

[shy hazel]

yea

[vague token]

otherwise why bother lol

[ivory vine]

from what people said

[shy hazel]

seems meh in pvp

[vague token]

might as well not exist

[ivory vine]

the timed buff is irrelevant

to the fighter

[vague token]

that

is janky

but w/e

it'd still be better if she buffed BBs and BCs

instead of herself

xD

[ivory vine]

basically the fighter is just another skill based airstrike for pvp

cuz in pve

you literally cant proc it

also rip independence

[vague token]

inb4 chapter 13 has boats with aa guns]

[ivory vine]

got shit cvl stats like everyone not named centaur

268 aviation and 3/0/3 setup

at 120 btw

182 reload tho

[vague token]

o.o

[ivory vine]

130 fighter eff

145 torp bomber

15% more eff if american planes are used

but

avengers are so fuckin slow

and the new torp bomber seems pretty meme

[vague token]

wait, she has an american plane efficiency boost

but cant use helldiver

that's a meme

[shy hazel]

at least cleveclass ship vg gets buffed

basically the fletcher of cleveclass

[vague token]

also why does shangri-la get 80%

like

i dont understand how they choose activation rates lol

[shy hazel]

its hard to understand that skill

do buffs activate even if the plane stays dead

or does it need to stay alive

[ivory vine]

depends on wording

[vague token]

i wouldnt be surprised if it doesnt

even though like the intention is that it should

or rather i would personally intend it, not that they do

xD