pvp

[shy hazel]

to come

[upbeat hollow]

[dull hollow]

ur stuck playing nakaga until the PR /centaur release

and ur gonna be going against Namagi Hiryuu

[split socket]

Soon™

[dull hollow]

enjoy ur resets

[upbeat hollow]

[real notch]

tenryuumon

[split socket]

but rly though, hiryuu without kai, is she good?

[upbeat hollow]

10 more levels then ill start working on my other pvp ships

[dull hollow]

i really wouldnt know

but in the context of Namagi

she probably does her job fine

[real notch]

天龍門

[shy hazel]

i dont rly give a fuck about jp meta pvp

[real notch]

i think that's what JP players call nagato amagi hiryuu

[vague token]

hiryuu works for me

[shy hazel]

u dont even need to sandbag

[vague token]

as a counterpick only

[shy hazel]

to aotn

why bother

zulu

[real notch]

hiryuu sucks

[vague token]

getting an extra air strike is basically a 50% damage boost

[split socket]

that's a good name for the comp lol

[vague token]

and it gives you 15 seconds to reset

kek

[real notch]

her stats and no-hanafuda strike are too big of a shot in the foot

[vague token]

against foxes who have no AA

it's fine

and torp squad

it's literally fine

[dull hollow]

we're discussing the hypothetical namagi comp that EN will eventulaly be playing soonTM

but

[real notch]

and yea that is a good name

[dull hollow]

iirc

Taihou will be release

before then

[real notch]

天龍門

[dull hollow]

Taihou should be better than vanilla hiryuu

[real notch]

heaven dragon's door

[dull hollow]

Taihou already beat Hiryuu kai

for me

in pvp

[vague token]

taihou would be good for that bulk from those bulges instead of me using anything and just eating torps and air strikes in flag

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

cant stand using amagi mid

she loses all duels

[dull hollow]

amagi is tonky

what u smoking

[split socket]

or "Sky Dragon Division"

[shy hazel]

we dont even knw what events

are gonna be next

[dull hollow]

so hard to kill that bitch

[vague token]

on offense my amagi loses to defender amagi + foxes

defense barrage does more focus

plus air strikes

she'll probably die with 1 crit torp

[real notch]

kiroshima you are wasd + amagi right

[upbeat hollow]

do you guys use a diff set up for defense?

[vague token]

no

[real notch]

what are u running

[vague token]

hiryuu/amagi/hood

[real notch]

ohhhhh

wtf

[dull hollow]

lmao

[vague token]

hiryuu literally eats all the damage

[real notch]

nice meme

[dull hollow]

well

ofc ur losing

nice meme

[vague token]

na, that one works fine

hiryuu cheese is the best

[dull hollow]

trying to cosplay

my JP fleets

I see

[vague token]

xD

[real notch]

LOL

[split socket]

"on offense my amagi loses to defender amagi + foxes"
"hiryuu cheese is the best"
pick one :x

[zenith tundra]

amagi gets damaged by akaga pretty badly because of her aa and flagship position. against non akaga comp she should be pretty tanky

[vague token]

i dont have jintsuu nor akagi so what's the point lol

i might as well do something ham

[real notch]

well that comp is pretty ballsy

[vague token]

at least hiryuu gives me 15 seconds to reset if im really unlucky

[dull hollow]

i mean there are ark royal defenders in this chat

u guys run the damnest things

i have to begrudingly be proud

[real notch]

if i ever fought your fleet i'd at least ask for your name before i run it over

[vague token]

since i cant contest foxes before 15 i just have to invuln through it xD

and then hood kills whoever is bottom before the 20

er 30

with autoloader fcr

[real notch]

autoloader FCR

[vague token]

yeah, assuming double barrage and 1 gun shot it's a ko

[split socket]

yus

[real notch]

wait kiroshima i thought you were playing since FW

why not just use wasd? too boring?

[vague token]

fw without suicide front doesnt do enough dps

[dull hollow]

im curious if EN can get away with Hood QE Amagi

or QE Amagi DoY

[vague token]

so then enemy suicide moves up and face torps me before dying

then i lose

[real notch]

you know what

i'd like to try

amagi dork hood

yea

[upbeat hollow]

why didnt i start this game sooner dammit

[vague token]

still stuck on phase 3 reee

[real notch]

tomorrow is battleship day in lectures

[split socket]

it's alright, we'll get reruns

also u haven't missed nagamon

[real notch]

i can't wait to throw my dork in there

to study all day

[upbeat hollow]

thats something to look forward to

[shy hazel]

all these hypothetical maybe bullshit when they pull a ce event again and the ships there will be meta the new pvp meta

[upbeat hollow]

well theres a ton to look forward to i guess

[real notch]

well

[shy hazel]

when en was looking forward to nagafoxes

[real notch]

that's true

[shy hazel]

it go straight to namagi

zulul

[real notch]

i was kinda looking forward to nagamon

[dull hollow]

bismarck

ur time is now

[vague token]

iowa class when

[real notch]

but the meta changed before we even got nagamon

[split socket]

I was looking forward to nakaga since I started playing owo

[dull hollow]

USN ships need so much fucking help LMAO

jesus

[split socket]

now I don't know

[dull hollow]

every single ship besides sandy is a dumpster fire

okay essex is okay Iguess

[shy hazel]

uss doesnt even have 50% of total ships in game yet

[upbeat hollow]

so enterprise falls out of favor? or already has? 🤔

[split socket]

who knows, maybe shangrila / independence going to shift meta again

[dull hollow]

i want to say I doubt

a CVL can change anything

[vague token]

what if they actually made a pvp fletcher

[dull hollow]

but then fucking centaur happened

[vague token]

the most troll

centaur SAYS cvl

but those hit points arent a cvl

[shy hazel]

still got shittons of fletcher

[dull hollow]

she's only a CVL

[shy hazel]

why not

[dull hollow]

to fuck with ur shiplocking

[vague token]

xD

[dull hollow]

so u cant bring her to every EX and hard

[shy hazel]

yukikaze isnt even a good ship irl

but is broken in rng aspect

lul

[dull hollow]

lol ppl are treaing ykkz like she's the best thing sliced butter

ship sucks outside of pvp

[vague token]

i mean there's a few of those

xD

[shy hazel]

all that matters is pvp

[zenith tundra]

no like ws kai any better outside of pvp

[split socket]

"Yukikaze (雪風, "Snowy Wind") was a Kagerō-class destroyer in service with the Imperial Japanese Navy during World War II. She was the only member of her class to survive the war."

[dull hollow]

ykkz value on

shines

[real notch]

nanoda

[dull hollow]

once warspite kai takes hold anyway

[split socket]

champ

[real notch]

[dull hollow]

before then

u dont rly need her

[shy hazel]

lets just blow all of this up

and get ws kai straight

[dull hollow]

4head

[shy hazel]

so no more effort to build shit

[dull hollow]

warspite kai is actually

one of the best side laners

in pve

ykkz is kinda

??

[zenith tundra]

is ws kai better then doy in pve?

[shy hazel]

whod even bring ykkz in ve

thats like bringing eldridge

lul

[dull hollow]

dood idfk but every tier list is like muh ykkz t0

ws kai and doy share the same slot comptetion

would depend on the map

last slot would go to Centaur

but if you're in a map that doesnt need centaur

or cant (shiplocking)

running all 3 is pretty lethal

[vague token]

that's a lotta damage

xD

[split socket]

her skill is pretty good for pve to ensure backline survivability no?

[dull hollow]

i should go test that ocmp in pvp

[split socket]

pretty much vestal vanguard

[dull hollow]

backline survability stopped being a thing to worry about

rly fast

LUL

[vague token]

why worry about living when you can just kill everything

with guns

;)))

[dull hollow]

even for w10 or 11

the problem with running ykkz is that

well

you now have ykkz as ur fucking frontline

[split socket]

idk lol

[shy hazel]

why worry about pve when no new world for months now

poggers

[split socket]

fortune was pretty good at w10

[dull hollow]

doesnt matter if u keep the back alive if ur front ints

fortune has decent shelling

ykkz doesnt

[real notch]

fortune is gr8 m8

fast af

double track drifting

[dull hollow]

the virtue of fronts in harder worlds is their ability to live and keep the screen clear (the two go hand in hand)

[split socket]

[dull hollow]

almost all the damage u take is ramming damage

[vague token]

glowworm time

[upbeat hollow]

fortune has to be retrofitted to be good right?

[vague token]

jk

[dull hollow]

i wanna see

if fortune can make a comeback in JP

since

warspite meta

[real notch]

yeah fortuneshould be refitted

flank defense is quite good

[dull hollow]

with ykkz and amagi

warspite damage is actaully

kinda not all there

triple down with fortune

with CVs disappearing and warspite deleting foxes by default

u might be able to get away with fortune

[vague token]

[dull hollow]

im so sad that taihou is no longer viable

[split socket]

was she ever viable owo

[real notch]

semi viable iirc

[shy hazel]

whats important is

whats the best en def stall fleet

[split socket]

bulin

[shy hazel]

that can delay ppl for 3 minutes

just to annoy them

[vague token]

wasd/hiryuu juneau/belfast/x?

[split socket]

eldridge

[vague token]

eldridge usually doesnt make it past 15 nowadays

[split socket]

against amakaga with aurora

still works against torp meme vg (just delay though)

I have fought some def fleets with eldridge where every ship has sunk but shes still alive and kicking after 1min and 30 sec

rng being rng though

[shy hazel]

we know that any fleet can,be destroyed anyways

doesnt matter so might as well just do

the most time

delaying ones

defensive is a lost cause

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather wall off meme comps the delay top ones

it's not like u care about rush either way

[shy hazel]

imagine u only have 5 mins left

with 3 charges

and all oppos u meet use those fleet

heh

[zenith tundra]

5min left because u suck gg

[shy hazel]

poggers

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[zenith tundra]

shouldn't even bother with sandbagging at that point

[ionic magnet]

hey eldridge is good against laser sirens

[zenith tundra]

not any better then belfast tbh

or any farm zombie out there

[split socket]

vestal akashi uniporn - phoenix belfast eldridge for max delay?

[zenith tundra]

that's like no delay because everything is dead asap

[ionic magnet]

i dont think that comp can delay anything tbh

[hot creek]

Wasd Hiryuu, Sheffield

[split socket]

im trying to think of a way to just keep eldridge alive :p

[hot creek]

eldridge aint doing shit in this meta

[split socket]

no one is doing shit in any meta in def anyway

[ionic magnet]

shes fine with proper rng lol

[split socket]

eldridge combined with shit rng for attacker can at least result in 1min+ battles :p

[hot creek]

wrong, wasdA, Jintsuu/Juneau/Aya can force foxes to reset

[ionic magnet]

theres no guaranteed delay fleet anyways

[split socket]

🤔

[shy hazel]

en battles only last like 45 seconds max soon

[zenith tundra]

this is how u keep eldridge alive

[shy hazel]

while u see jp meta vids

[split socket]

they already kinda do

[ionic magnet]

oi

[shy hazel]

always 2~3 minutes

cos nanoda

lul

[split socket]

click confirm or no balls

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

no buli eld pls

[zenith tundra]

i'm not retarded to fall for that but a useless ship is a useless ship.

[split socket]

as u said, she's useless. No loss

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

i collect ships

even if i don't use them

[split socket]

tsk tsk

[zenith tundra]

i have a lvl 100 bailey retro never used outside of her quest...

[shy hazel]

i justvrefitted bailey

85 and never planning to lvl

grinded in dorm

[zenith tundra]

i used 10hr commissions for her

[split socket]

most of my retros were through major comms and dorms tbh

[shy hazel]

15/19 of my refits are

should be able to refit three more

this week

[split socket]

I only got kamikaze left, got her this morning uwu

[shy hazel]

i spent shittons of gold in build so i stopped

lol

[zenith tundra]

i'm kind of low on money because of auditorium and lbs

[shy hazel]

i dont grind rn so audit can screw itself

gives shit exp anyways

[split socket]

audit felt extremely underwhelming at start

but since event started, using lvl 100 ships on D3 made me realize how much xp was lost otherwise

[zenith tundra]

i don't bother lvl up ships i don't use so pretty much only use lvl 100 for stocking exp

[shy hazel]

maybr when im lvl 90 alrdy

ill bothed

lvl 7 rn

feelsuselessman

[ionic magnet]

its free exp just use it

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 9 waiting on 30k for last upgrade

[split socket]

finished 10 a few hours ago uwu

[shy hazel]

itot 95 is last

[split socket]

can finally see my gold raise again lul

yep

[shy hazel]

i almost dont grind latelt

and at lvl 84

so still far

[zenith tundra]

ur not grinding the event?

[ionic magnet]

event is p bad when you already got doy

[shy hazel]

i got doy in b3 so fas

got lazy

ill farm all items though

maybe next week

[ionic magnet]

no good bps and oil expensive

[zenith tundra]

i'm at 24k rn

[split socket]

not like theres anything better to farm

so I'll just clear shop anyway

[ionic magnet]

ill just prolly stock up on oils and get back to hunting drop only ships

[shy hazel]

what map u farming

d3?

[zenith tundra]

d1

using foxes on boas lol

[split socket]

doing d3

with extremely inefficient oil

[zenith tundra]

with sirius

[shy hazel]

i want the cheapest oil fleet

in most efficient map

[split socket]

I was lvling sirius the whole event tbh

shes already 95 and doing well in d3 lul

[shy hazel]

my sirius 81

doy is 60

[zenith tundra]

sirius 84 doy 93

[shy hazel]

sirius yellow skill lvl 10 alrdy

can farm pvp now

[split socket]

she works surprisingly well in pvp actually owo

[zenith tundra]

i memed and lvled up red skill to 9 on sirius

[split socket]

despite being underlvled and skills not maxed yet for me

[zenith tundra]

sirius is half aurora evasion skill plus extra dmg for foxes

[shy hazel]

with yellow skill

[split socket]

is it really half though. I don't know the formula but afaik sirius buffs accuracy while aurora debuffs evasion

[zenith tundra]

aurora buff hit rating not acc

nagato buffs acc

its a flat 10% extra chance to hit

[split socket]

aurora debuffs evasion rate though, not really the same thing

unless the numbers result the same in formula (but as I said, idk the formula but I assume they are slightly different anyway)

saying Sirius skill is half of Nagato is more accurate imo since they buff the same thing

[zenith tundra]

-20% chance to evade is not that different from 20% extra chance to hit

[ionic magnet]

depends on formula but should be close enough

[zenith tundra]

accuracy from nagato goes trough the whole hit formula

[ionic magnet]

i can see sirius replacing aurora entirely tbh

[zenith tundra]

i can see sirius nakaga tbh

[split socket]

I'm hoping for it tbh

maid powah

[ionic magnet]

aurora just dies too fast and will die faster if peeps get 2nd dildo, shells, etc

[zenith tundra]

also sirius should negate amagi debuff entirely for foxes

[shy hazel]

maid waifu bias

[zenith tundra]

with hood gun i want to try sirius belfast aurora

but my sirius needs a lot more levels for that

[split socket]

negate amagi debuff + 1% aviation

[ionic magnet]

+waifu

[split socket]

I'm doing amakaga with bel sirius jin atm

[shy hazel]

i mean if we really do get nagato as early

[split socket]

lvl 95 sirius with lv 9 yellow skill & lvl 6 red

[zenith tundra]

sirius chibi is cuter then her drawing imo

[shy hazel]

sirius will be useless as theres no cv to buff

[split socket]

pretty much still steamrolling any def comp (or I'm just facing trash fleets)

[ionic magnet]

god i wanna try them already but levelling is a pain

[shy hazel]

maybe in current meta is okay

poggers

[ionic magnet]

might need another week at this rate

[split socket]

well might as well enjoy her now when she works

[coral wren]

What's the longest you guys have gone waiting for an Enty 1v1 to end because your Enty and the enemy's Enty keep procing their skill

[zenith tundra]

i only use sirius for normals and d1 boss so i'll take me a while at this rate unless i change my comp

[split socket]

never cause enty is trash and I dont use her

[zenith tundra]

4-5 lucky e and the lost because no proc for me

[ionic magnet]

longest would be 4 airstrikes i guess for me

[zenith tundra]

one of the reason why i stopped running enty tbh

[shy hazel]

7 strikes

took me 5 minutes

[ionic magnet]

whats funny is they take out each other with fighter suicide dmg not with their real airstrike

[split socket]

I'd like to see a pvp battle last for 5 mins lol

what even happens when timer runs out? lose?

[zenith tundra]

just have 2 fleets with no barrages and no guns equipped at max lvl

[split socket]

takes 2 to tango

also I don't want to experiment in case it actually results in a loss xD

[zenith tundra]

it's just 1 loss not a big deal

unless u care about end season rank

[split socket]

I'm going for top 10 end season bruh

[zenith tundra]

going for that too...

[split socket]

been top 10 pretty much every season except for a few times where I overslept

[ionic magnet]

prolly checks who has more hp bars when time runs out

else theres no reason for that bar at all

[split socket]

well it shows ur fleets hp, pretty good indicator for a reset if ur down to 10% and enemy still rocking 50% or more

5 min battles doesn't even happen unless u force it

[zenith tundra]

not real hp. when a ship dies it goes down by quite a lot

[shy hazel]

i was planning for top ten end

but lost a charge sooo

nvm

[split socket]

yea ik, still better than nothing tho

[zenith tundra]

i'm still trying even if i'm only 7 pts ahead of u

[shy hazel]

cant wait for gensui rush

[split socket]

I actually missed an attack this season, but I'm on sandy, I think I'll be fine lul

[shy hazel]

sa sa sa sandy

[zenith tundra]

have fun with ur free top 10

[split socket]

I can probably beat u avrorians too were I on ur server

[zenith tundra]

back in top 100 farmers in avrora

people really don't care about this event

[shy hazel]

1712/5

never got bonuses lately

u probably has more gap now

[zenith tundra]

1691 7/10

[split socket]

maybe ppl are actually caring too much about the event and not doing pvp?

[zenith tundra]

just a +9

[shy hazel]

ya i call it

the event effect

when ppl do events they miss pvp rounds

[zenith tundra]

i got +10/11 i think last 2 days

[split socket]

like two days ago, I went through 3 pvp resets with 0 bonus points

ppl were literally missing their pvp attempts or they were casuals who already rushed to 0/10

but still hangs around rank 100-1000

[zenith tundra]

+10 i was at -39 from 2.6k monday reset and now at -29 from it

[brittle hill]

Casual reporting in\

[split socket]

do your pvp

[zenith tundra]

nvm im at 1691 with 8/10

so +18 ahead

[shy hazel]

w

what

did i sleep on a charge

holy crap

[zenith tundra]

gonna try this

i want to see if i can one shoot that vg

[split socket]

it'd be interesting with nagato too, 30% accuracy and -20% eva

[zenith tundra]

nothing happened...

[split socket]

[zenith tundra]

i know why... no amagi barrage

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

can't really kill stuff with only akaga airstrike

[split socket]

need more aviation buff

[zenith tundra]

still need max out sirius skill tho

[shy hazel]

i dont see myself dumping aurora for sirius

aurora indirectly buffs all

sirius only cvs

[split socket]

I can't even dump aurora. I don't have her

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

just as i thought without ijn buff u lose too much

[shy hazel]

i got 4 aurora dupes from cny hatsushimo

maybe u lucky and got all ships early

[split socket]

spent around 150-200 cubes total for cny and hatsu

I guess avg?

[shy hazel]

lucky what

i spent 480

[split socket]

owo

my worst was graf zep, took me over 350 cubes just for her

everyone else dropped in like first 10-20 builds

[zenith tundra]

i think z46 took me 240 cubes or something like that

[ionic magnet]

dont talk about graf zep

[zenith tundra]

1st time top 100 with 5/10

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

my first missed limited ssr

[split socket]

indication of playerbase decline uwu

[zenith tundra]

no one is farming the event and even so no one plays pvp... avrora is a dead server already

[split socket]

i think missing collab ships are way worse, cause ur unlikely to get them again

but any other limited will eventually get rerun

[shy hazel]

not in collection so 🚮

no valentines line

[split socket]

I collect all, even if it doesn't show up in collection % lul

[ionic magnet]

3 weeks of this event is too long

i need my w11 fast

[shy hazel]

deals shit dmg

[zenith tundra]

my collection rating is 89% still missing half retro tho

[ionic magnet]

wait collab ships dont count in collection?

[split socket]

98.4%

[zenith tundra]

all of them

dont count

(collab ships)

[leaden sequoia]

phew, used up 5 attempts 2 seconds before reset :blobsweat:

bless amakaga

[zenith tundra]

my amagi is a troll tho. every time i needed to rush she never procced her barrage 1st attack

[shy hazel]

[split socket]

when I'm really out of time, I pick the weakest fleet to fight against

better take -1 pt than miss an entire attack :x

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, to be fair, I was gambling with RNG and picked leftmost fleet as a reflex to spend the least amount of time between attacks

[zenith tundra]

if i finish weekly today i'm at 777 core data . so close to 381.

[shy hazel]

so,far,to rainbow,dildo

[zenith tundra]

you are still going for that

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

i love using torp ships for bosses and the oxy would be amazing for that

[vague token]

14k event currency, no doy still

reee

[zenith tundra]

how many draws did u need for ph1 and 2?

[vague token]

36 left phase 1, 17 phase 2 lol

[zenith tundra]

wtf is that luck

[vague token]

im at 213 on phase 3 atm

(remaining)

im gonna miss out on battleship day =(

[zenith tundra]

farm more if u can

[vague token]

oh im still farming lol

just triggered

this is why i cant farm jintsuu xD

[zenith tundra]

well good luck then

[vague token]

always an event taking up my time

[zenith tundra]

seeing doy hit sirens for 4k at lvl 94 is pretty impressive. can't wait to see max lvl and max oath

[vague token]

i guess since im on d3 im getting a bunch of aa gun blueprints

so that's nice

[zenith tundra]

ain't that the pom pom?

[leaden sequoia]

what skill level on doy?

[vague token]

no, d3 has twin 105

[zenith tundra]

oh that is at least useful

[vague token]

yeah i can use it as filler when i dont have enough roombas

[leaden sequoia]

pom pom from C3

[zenith tundra]

also should change the fe, no longer needed, for more fp

[leaden sequoia]

lvl 8 is +43.1% for 1st salvo, so 4000 / 1.431 = ~2795 without skill modifier

assuming base 3k dmg at lvl 100, expect 3k * 1.5 = 4.5k at max skill level?

and with crit it could be 6.75k

[zenith tundra]

it was a 4.4k crit

[coral wren]

how many points lower does an opponent need to be for you to get less than 10 points

[split socket]

1

[coral wren]

fuck

[vague token]

lol

rip score

[coral wren]

i have no resets and i need to sleep

[split socket]

idk about equal pts though

[coral wren]

he is legit 1 point lower than me

[zenith tundra]

well either rip score either rip sleep

[serene knot]

can you guys akaga actually take down a eldridge of similar power before she can use her skill? o_O

[coral wren]

how long before i can hit the new opponent button again

[leaden sequoia]

ah, then 5k crit at lvl 100 with max skill 🤔

[coral wren]

and yes

[vague token]

i can do that without akaga lol

[serene knot]

how lol

[vague token]

especially if she's lead for some reason

203 mounted yo

xD

[zenith tundra]

ir's a bit rng u need a bit of torp luck to kill eldridge fast enough

[vague token]

back in wasd/e meta i was shooting down juneau or eldridge before 20

if they dared be in the lead ship

the power of CA gun and aurora is too strong

[serene knot]

damn.. did you have turtle frontline or dmg frontline?

[vague token]

but that was back then xD

[coral wren]

how can i even be rank 20 with 6 refreshes left

[zenith tundra]

i use belfast jintsuu aurora guess as offensive as i can

[coral wren]

why does nobody on sandy do pvp

[vague token]

sandy dead server jk

[coral wren]

it is dead

no guilds or anything

[vague token]

oh =/

[coral wren]

the only thing we have is sandy

and we had the best exchange

[zenith tundra]

everyone has sandy

[serene knot]

i see... i'm lvling aurora and jintsuu yet, but man, my frontline is belfast juneau minne
minne's damage is way too high, and she's pretty tanky... i'd feel bad for taking her out

[vague token]

minne's problem isnt her damage

it's her durability

otherwise we would just meme with suffolk kai big deeps

[coral wren]

minne rarely gets her full skill off

[serene knot]

really? she's often the last to die

[split socket]

where do u put minny?

[coral wren]

and then she rarely gets her other skill off either

[split socket]

mid?

[zenith tundra]

because she's a ca and aurora doesn't wreck her

[serene knot]

nope, she's back

bel middle, juneau front

[vague token]

against torp comp + foxes she'll die usually

if she gets clipped by 1 torpedo

[serene knot]

i see... well, i guess i gotta wait until i can figure something out

[vague token]

i mean you can use her as long as it isnt desron

[zenith tundra]

are u suing badge on her?

[serene knot]

my jintsuu, auorora and amakaga are still in the 90's range... not quite there yet

[vague token]

against everything else she does way more damage than port kai xD

[serene knot]

yes, she has badge

desron?

[vague token]

jintsuu/aurora/x

aka torp squad

[zenith tundra]

badge + bulge would make her pretty bulky against amakaga torp comps

[vague token]

although i guess there's less aurora nowadays

minne with those is still too glassy for that

port kai barely makes it through

a barrage, air strikes, and opener torps

[zenith tundra]

belfast smoke too u know

[vague token]

which helps, but that helps port kai more

xD

[zenith tundra]

don't underestimate how tanky she can be with the extra evasion from smoke and without aurora debuff

[vague token]

yeah, a whopping 40-50 evade

and 3.7k base hp

that gets ripped through real fast

medium armor struggles

[serene knot]

juneau is already out of meta? lol

[vague token]

no?

[ionic magnet]

never

[vague token]

juneau never leaves

neeeveerrr

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna to try minne for fun to see if she dies with belfast

[serene knot]

oh ok

yeah check it out

if you remember, tag me

[vague token]

minne shouldnt die with belfast, but she'll die to next torp

without applying much pressure

since jintsuu boosts reload a huge amount

port kai can usually evade second torp wave

thanks to 75 evade, boosted more by smoke

[zenith tundra]

i was only pointing out tankiness not usefulness

[serene knot]

but uh... >juneau never leaves

you guys were just talking about belfast jintsuu aurora comps D:

[vague token]

ive seen jintsuu/aurora/juneau

that one sucks to fight against too

hurts like hell

and then health

[zenith tundra]

juneau is always meta because her heal is too good

[serene knot]

yeah... but who would she replace? belfast only?

[leaden sequoia]

until someone with better heal comes along, that is

[vague token]

lol

who would even get a better heal

a repair ship kai?

xD

that's a meme

[serene knot]

now that would be nice

repair ship meta

[zenith tundra]

amakaga itself doesn't really need it because it kills stuff too fast but she'll be more useful with bbs

[serene knot]

you mean amakaga doesn't need juneau?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[serene knot]

hmmm

[vague token]

repair ship kai with +2 AA gun slot again, more aa efficiency, and a better heal oh no

how many aa guns can we pack in there xD

[zenith tundra]

also 0 dmg too

[vague token]

i guess the skill would be

"can use repair kits during battle when a ship gets low"

there

pvp viable

30% full fleet healing

[zenith tundra]

to put it plain and simple even with that the dmg loss from losing a back liner is way bigger then the damage loss for using juneau (which still does some damage) as a vg

[vague token]

i mean 30% healing plus 6 aa guns basically hard counters any carrier team

no damage required lol

[zenith tundra]

the only thing that really counter cv are cvs

aa is just to scratch planes unless u use sandy

and for defense against their damage

[vague token]

i mean, having AA mount +1 again would be a lot xD

plus then you bolster with 10, 10, 10 healing

as a zombie boost

plus juneau on top

no one will die this day

[zenith tundra]

u still wont shoot a plane twice which means most likely u wont kill it

[vague token]

i mean, a ship with the equivalent of 6 roombas

is a big deal

[zenith tundra]

use sandy she's useful

sandy kai ofc

[vague token]

so clearly we would use theoretical AR Kai, sandy kai, and juneau

to be the ultimate aa machine

total team healing is 55%

oh and pearl

65

reee

[zenith tundra]

even so the meta will be namaga not nakaga most likely and on jp/cn cvs are rare already

[vague token]

what ships would benefit the most from 65% healing lol

warspite kai

i guess

cause her base hp is silly

[coral wren]

-1 time to sleep

[vague token]

o/

[coral wren]

ill just make it back when i wake up anyway

[zenith tundra]

essex is also an anti cv better then almost any aa ships

[vague token]

essex wouldnt come with 30% team healing though, xD

spread out over 3 uses of 10%

kek

[zenith tundra]

tbh idk who designed ar ships to be useless but if that was the goal they did a great job

[vague token]

i mean

if they're too good

you cant die

if they're terrible

well that's what they are

xD

but vestal IS good for 1 thing

torp daily

cat is beyond saving

[zenith tundra]

i'd use any ship i need to level but an ar one

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

for torp daily

[vague token]

oh, i just do vestal/phoenix, park top left and afk

xD

[zenith tundra]

just tap ur screen twice every so often and u dodge all torp

[vague token]

ah, you see, that requires pressing buttons

how dare you assume i play the video game

[zenith tundra]

i use that to get mvp to ships i need to level

[vague token]

makes sense

i guess alternatively they could make ar ships vanguard

that would make them pvp friendlier

not like juneau is a dps god

so you could just replace her with an AR kinda

oh there she is

doy at 189 remaining

time to grind

[zenith tundra]

ar are just a lost cause i gave up on them as long as i don't need the extra ammo

[vague token]

i think ar vanguard would help a lot in pve

but that's another thing entirely xD

[zenith tundra]

0 dmg is still 0 dmg they would just ram around ships without doing nothing

[vague token]

yeah but that's less lost damage

[zenith tundra]

still more costly then they are worth tho

[vague token]

oh for sure

[zenith tundra]

this guy definitely likes to be top 50... he was top 50 before reset and now uses attempts to keep it

gonna enjoy the +1

[vague token]

he likes those merits

xD

[zenith tundra]

u get same amount for now for being rank 999 or 1

only when aotn and still top 10 u get 100 merits

[vague token]

no idea then

[zenith tundra]

as i said maybe he likes to be top 50 or something

also he used only 2 attempts after reset so unless he was at 2/10 before and now he needs to go to bed it doesn't make much sense

[vague token]

[zenith tundra]

i keep not getting any long oil comissions

2 more levels for that... why?

[vague token]

oof

i just hit 90 xD

[zenith tundra]

using that money to get 5 royal boxes and getting a crane and a gold 406 is even worse

[vague token]

oh no

[lofty smelt]

That's exactly what I got earlier

[zenith tundra]

cursed boxes lol

[shy hazel]

might as well get purps

later reset dailies

are boxes right

[zenith tundra]

i'm opening royal for a 2nd gold cuda

[vague token]

doubt

oh you mean you plan to xD

[lofty smelt]

I'm opening royals for a 5th gold cuda and a 2nd roomba

[zenith tundra]

royal are just meme boxes

[lofty smelt]

They really are

[shy hazel]

i always get roomba

[zenith tundra]

they are trash boxes painted in gold

[shy hazel]

thats like

uss boxes for me

shit luck

🚮

ijn always has good shit

[zenith tundra]

the last 2 gold i got from royal before this were 2 seafang

[shy hazel]

but we know everything there is farmable

kms boxes i dont even know

i still want magtorps though

[vague token]

more quads plz

[lofty smelt]

I've gotten two quad mags and two quint mags from boxes, would like another quad

[zenith tundra]

i have 2 gold quad and 2 gold quints so i'm fine

[vague token]

i have 2 quints but they're just too slow nowadays

xD

[shy hazel]

i mix my torps in pvp

rainbow quint gold quint gold quad

[zenith tundra]

i use quints rn for the opening

[shy hazel]

good meme

👌

[vague token]

my rainbow is reserved for aya pve atm

cause swapping is a pain

[zenith tundra]

i would never use quints on aya tbh

quad all the way

[vague token]

the reload isnt that bad on rainbow

[zenith tundra]

i use rainbow on jintsuu because i end up using her alone for pve and she benefits from extra torp stat

[vague token]

oh yeah makes sense

[zenith tundra]

2 long quest for cubes... i already have 200 and don't need them wtf

[lofty smelt]

You can never have enough cubes

I'm back over 400 and still need more

[zenith tundra]

i know but i need oil rn

[shy hazel]

all my rainbows in jint

quint and dildo

[lofty smelt]

I have quad mag on Jinstuu, she'll get a rainbow dildo after barrage gun

[shy hazel]

im preparing one more dildo for

sendai

[zenith tundra]

i think she's just to squishy for pvp with dildo. i don't even like using toolbox bulge on her instead of beaver bulge because i use beaver on belfast for pve

[shy hazel]

dildo or not she,dies fast for me anyways

i just maximize torp slap

[zenith tundra]

with beaver and bulge and mid position she last quite a bit for me

[shy hazel]

my mid is always aurora

lol

[zenith tundra]

aurora is pointless past vg dead tho

jintsuu can hit hard back liners

[ionic magnet]

i ditched aurora long time ago

no regrets

[coral wren]

Haha I love pvp fleet that use fuel tank. His whole vanguard vanished withou a single airstrike. Go faster sanic. I dare u lmfao

[ionic magnet]

wdym by fuel tank?

[zenith tundra]

should be this
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/100/150_Jet_Fuel

[coral wren]

Oh mo. The speed thingy uhm advancdd boiler. Oh shit its called boiler lol

[ionic magnet]

ah boilers

[coral wren]

Sanic

[zenith tundra]

maybe i should try with 1 boiler on belfast too

[ionic magnet]

i hate boilers

[coral wren]

Yeah. Catching every torp

[ionic magnet]

makes my vanguard eat all the torps

[shy hazel]

ofc youll ditch aurora

you dont even use foxes

[azure aurora]

I using boiler when wasd still meta

[ionic magnet]

aurora is overrated

[azure aurora]

Nowadays i change them to bulge

[shy hazel]

aurora is trash after first airstrike

[coral wren]

If I knew my enemy use boiler. I would use quint torps. Not even mag. Cus they will seek out the torps by themselves lul

[azure aurora]

So aurora mid or back ?

[shy hazel]

and sirius is fated to be the same

zulul

[zenith tundra]

if aurora is overrated then every other vg ship is trash

[azure aurora]

Sirius buff permanent right ?

[coral wren]

Jesus needs a skin. She looks weird af

[azure aurora]

You can put her in front

Unlike aurora

[zenith tundra]

jusus only needs to die

[coral wren]

Dying in a prettier skin is too much to ask for?

[finite valve]

you know what is too much to ask for?

her getting a jesus skin

LMFAO

[dull hollow]

heresy wins over the empire of the queen yet again

[ionic magnet]

[dull hollow]

does this make a me Chaos Commander

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

how the hell does vg last longer then main fleet

[shy hazel]

jp meta

[dull hollow]

welcome to warspite meta

all damage has shifted to backline

also neptune + ykkz are borderline unkillable

[shy hazel]

basically fw

just stronger

[dull hollow]

fw but u can actually do damage

[shy hazel]

i like the older fw meta more than current

lul

[azure aurora]

Hiryuu kai is must for warspite enemy?

[zenith tundra]

those weird barrages who are those from? the spread yellow shells and the ap crossing ones?

[dull hollow]

u either bring hiryuu or or warspite

bring both for max cheese

[finite valve]

monarch

[shy hazel]

the better question is

why u dont have monarch skin

[dull hollow]

i dont have her skin

i dont buy skins

[azure aurora]

Looks like warspite don't really need QE after her kai

Screw the queen i can kill enemy alone

[dull hollow]

warspite got kidnapped by japs to fight for them

they couldn't stand living not being t0 anymore

so they outsourced

[zenith tundra]

ws barrage dmg is so not great past initial bonus

[dull hollow]

except Namagi is still a t0 comp

well, t0.5

ever so slightly worse because they have realsitic mirror matchups

[shy hazel]

[finite valve]

did you test nagato bunnies vs hms?

[dull hollow]

not yet

[finite valve]

seem to me WS kai is just there to look pretty unless you running 2 BB+ due to her skill

[dull hollow]

uh

she solos

a backliner

almost everytime

[vague token]

she needs no friends to kill someone

xD

[finite valve]

dk since the video you posted might seem that your WS did solo kill their

but by the time she manage to do that isn't it better to use nagato for her buff to kill the whole back line?

[dull hollow]

no

the damage isnt nearly that high lol

nagato CV strikes at best without ryuusei leave backline at 50/66% HP

warspite chunks a single liner for 50-75% of any backliners HP

then has super accurate followup shelling

airstrikes are honestly her best friend since they soften up the target even more

for her follow up shelling to sink

[finite valve]

but then ain't in that video monarch get kill by torp (dk whose torp that is) and not WS?

[dull hollow]

Wakaga and Wabbit both have better winrates

than HMS Warspite

[finite valve]

they both like die at the same time

[dull hollow]

for refernece

warspite job is to solo delete 1 backliner then provide a fair amount of conintuous pressure

after her first barrage her burst isnt that high obv

i've been testing these warspite CV comps extensively for the past 2 weeks almost

they're more consistent than running HMS

amusingly

not having to rely on RNG barrages I guess helps al ot

[shy hazel]

my night comms kimochii

three large oil comms

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

[drifting shadow]

This current season, I found it hard to get +1 points from doing pvp

Can't find high ranked opponent to attack

[shy hazel]

oh

ether has such a weird fleet

[wise summit]

cause everyone's playing event

[hybrid tendon]

QE really need a retrofit

her current art isnt the best design in the game

and the buff is powercreeped

[sharp obsidian]

Wabbit is prolly the cutest PvP Meta Team name around

[azure aurora]

Wabbit season

I remember looney tunes because of that

[hot creek]

people are learning the art of sandbag

[vague token]

gasp, they're evolving

[hot creek]

legit though, there's a guy in my lobby who always rushed his pvps easy so i kept him in my lobby

but he only moved up a couple ranks

im pretty sure they're learning

[drifting shadow]

Yea

[modern tree]

There are a lot of people at decent scores. It's kind of gross that if you sit at about 300, your only chance at +1 is if you land on someone that pushed to top 3

[drifting shadow]

Soon many people will stop rushing pvp

[modern tree]

But maybe it's just too early

[drifting shadow]

[hybrid tendon]

nah

you can get gensui with minimal sandbagging

[drifting shadow]

I still feel uneasy if I don't collect pts from the beginning

[hot creek]

gold hood gun soon™?

or is anyone saving for shells

[ivory vine]

well

apparently it doesnt change next month

so no point

[shy hazel]

if u want

multiple,copies alrdy

ull want one

[ionic magnet]

gold hood gun but no t3 plates

[hybrid tendon]

well you would get it sooner or later

so probaably should just buy it now

[ionic magnet]

who else uses hood gun btw

aside fromhood and maybe amagi

[hybrid tendon]

any barrage boat?

Nagagato

[ionic magnet]

nagato hmm

[leaden sequoia]

Nagachan like Belchan when

[vague token]

using mutsu

nani

[leaden sequoia]

oh wait Nagato is already a loli 🤔

[zenith tundra]

best possibility will be yamato unless she need flagship too

[shy hazel]

wat u want

nagato as a baby

[azure aurora]

Maybe kalk size