since she does no damage anyway
#pvp
dull hollow
belfast gets dropped in pvp
tho QE in a cursed state
by the time HMS becomes good again
she's not reaaalllly needed in a comp
coral wren
fuck the queen lads, amirite 
coral wren
Just a third rate boat that's named after queen elizabeth, heh
shy hazel
its feels strange sometimes
im using amakaga
and my planes are like cudas s2bcs with
reppu and f4u gold
but some amakagas i think
launch faster
or am i just imagining things
zenith tundra
2 gold cudas?
still kestrel
SL10?
zenith tundra
u never know they might use zeros u know
zenith tundra
if with that setup u lunch after opponents is because of bad setup on opponent part
shy hazel
just feels strange lol
i should have the dankies airfleet rn but he just launched faster
guess he used
subpar dmg planes
zenith tundra
even me is faster then good fighters but useless for dmg
leaden sequoia
could also be oathing & 200 aff +6% more effect
coral wren
i want kms fleet straight buffs
split socket
kms lacks a good flagship
weird how they had art for Bismarck like forever and shes still not ingame...
coral wren
I think we had a conversation on what should bismark carry to make kms strong in pvp
it ended up on that even 50% stat boost for all won't be enough
coral wren
she would have been put into mixed fleet, no pure ironblood whatsoever
I have no knowledge on if Luftwaffe have ever used carpet bombers in
ww2, but adding some good kms planes would also help
Only that goering was an old geezer who thought jet planes is shit and they should stick to shitty dive bombers
split socket
they could add new planes 
zenith tundra
the difference in between full oath and only oath as reload is less than 0.2 sec in launch time
split socket
lunch time 
ionic magnet
zenith tundra
maybe i'm hungry lol
coral wren
Ah, they did, but they weren't focusing on it
zenith tundra
that should't really be a noticeable time difference in launches
coral wren
Ju 88
4400 lbs of bombs
multirole combat aircraft, not a heavy bomber
so adding it would be neat
just balance it around other planes and then graff might be more devastating than lucky e
zenith tundra
that if u can hit all the bombs from ju
split socket
it'd be great if they could rebalance all dive bombers tbh
zenith tundra
they don't rebalance ships let alone equips
coral wren
^
split socket
I remember looking up SB2C and it doesn't really have the capacity to carry a total of 3k lb bombs
coral wren
They just powercreep the hell out of game
leaden sequoia
muh historical accuracy
zenith tundra
like chinameme formation
coral wren
I remember looking up SB2C and it doesn't really have the capacity to carry a total of 3k lb bombs
Well, if they are pulling numbers out of their asses, then rebalancing stuff shouldn't be a problem
modern tree
KMS is honestly fine and their biggest problem is not missing some big ass flagship that will boost their stats, but that they are a pve focused tag that just wants to tank, with majority focused in the frontline. Tanking is fine if engagements take longer than one minute which is basically one dragging pvp game. You can run them and win, but your time might be worth more than that
split socket
SB2C had capacity for 2k lb iirc. It was probably meant to be 2x 500 lb and 1x 1k lb bombs
someone got a number wrong and bam, suddenly its better than every gold dive bomber ever
coral wren
zenith tundra
i don't really see the problem tbh. if it wouldn't be sb2c it would another plane there as nr1 maybe even harder to get
coral wren
Damn, now when we are talking about it, adding aircraft armament management would be neat af
split socket
@modern tree could have some bigass flagship that further buffs their tankiness. Like dmg reduction, extra hp, crit debuff on enemies (fk u warspite)
zenith tundra
from what i recall hms was better with subs then anything tbh. i wouldn't expect much considering that even graf zeppelin is not an actual ship
coral wren
Graff was somewhat an equivalent of akagi iirc
modern tree
also, problem with KMS is that natzis couldnt into boats, they just stacked metal sheets on top of eachother until the boats were about to topple over from how heavy their armour was, then called it a day. Tirp had a trench dug for it in her station so she can camp there, she sank cuz a bomb hitting next to her flipped her
split socket
well theres bismarck, I can't think of any other ship they could use to bring up kms.
split socket
Fat Queen in the North
split socket
all that engineering but still no proper names 
coral wren
Even if they built it, they had no good aa at that time
it would just sunk as yamato did
split socket
not a problem in AL, CVs are trash anyway
coral wren
shy hazel
shangri la will save cvs
coral wren
how far are we from jeanne bart?
leaden sequoia
jb appeared on JP on 26th July 2018
if they want to keep the order of events and with no reruns as they said in the long message, then 5 months from now
coral wren
jesus..
leaden sequoia
WC on JP was on 26th February 2018 which nearly matches our launch date + 1 year, so I based my prediction on that
coral wren
just forgot about pvp and just did 3 attempts in 1 min 30
even rolled into a juneau fleet
then a 2k fleet and a 1k fleet to top it off 
easy 30 seconds left
coral wren
Hm, that's weird. Does game show you enemy fleet composition he first made and if he switched one ship from top to bottom it still will show you the old one?
modern tree
I think it depends on wether you restarted the game or not after the composition changed
coral wren
Do you manage to kill 1 fox on your first salvo?
Perhaps i really have to put bis on hms, since i don't have that many donuts and i lack 1 radar, but god it blows against foxes and wasd. One reset after another after another
modern tree
you cant one shot anything vs amagi, ever
this combined with the fact that of you get 2 barrages back to back on Hood a fox dies either way made me think that putting Warspite mid and Hood bot so they dont actually hit the same target, might be more efficent way to use your dps
but I never tested that
also you can just use Doy in couple of days
coral wren
Well, we will see soon, but right now things were i almost kill 1 fox or enty, then your bbs kill jesus with salvo and then never touch fox or e ever again
when they actually do you fleet is almost ded
modern tree
Enterprise was always hard to kill in wasd because Aegis times so you always barely damage enterprise every other shot, so having juneau die in between shots basically loses you the game
since I think 3rd and 4th sht can be eaten by lucky e also
coral wren
maybe it's vang that i use that makes things more difficult
jesus, bel and leander
but i'm not sure, enemy back line basically outtrades mine
modern tree
I have had decent sucess with that, beats foxes, loses to enterprise if you get unlucky
standard fare
I remember doing well with Belfast Jintsuu Aurora
coral wren
i think i just lsot to foxes 7 out of 9 games
modern tree
cuz then hitting BB shots is easier and deleting jueaus early
modern tree
I am gonna gear up my HMS and play some games since I have decent fox fleets in my lobby
I am pretty damn sure that HMS should not be doing nearly this bad
coral wren
at least vs foxes they actually both survived for their second air strike
and again, hood missed her barrage with gfcr and sg
what in the world
i sometimes one shot amagi
when im running amakaga myself
but its like 1/5-10 chance
so then i just stomp them with the second amagi barrage
sometimes a fox goes down too as well as amagi but thats even rarer
probably bad gear in that situation
or something
quaint ferry
Finally top 50
brittle hill
👍
coral wren
Well i just don't know, if that because of lacking some bis pieces or is it really just doesn';t work for me
quaint ferry
Yeah the meta is pretty much amakaga or akaga+enty or wasd
Frontline is either jintsuu/Ayaya or Eldridge/Juneau/Ayaya
coral wren
i stump ppl with wasda, and since i got leander i have a very high chance of destroying desrons
quaint ferry
Then after that its either garbage defensive fleets for the others to freely clear
Or just meme fleets
coral wren
but hms, it's just that situation where by the time you manage to take down 1 fox or big e, your whole fleet is almost finished, when enemy has 2 more full hp backline ships
yeah i find hms fleet probably easiest to beat
then washsd and then amakaga mirror fleet
although i dont think washsd has ever come close to beating me
oh no no, you should't even consider it to be anything in def
having low aa really affects it's durability
quaint ferry
For me wasd fleets just depends on rng and my ships hitting their backline, any fleet with eldridge in it is the same
Rainbow Operation is one of the most annoying things to play against
coral wren
@modern tree please post results when you are done
brittle hill
Amakaga mirror match and both our foxes fired at the same time
Wewlads
This one back when I was using wasd
coral wren
i never risk it like that
i always reset if it looks like im going to go into an even akaga duel
i lost 3 times last season doing it
haughty latch
Hey Guys if I'm using HMS for PvP is Duke a replacement for Hood ?
Is it worth taking away the combo with warspite/hood though?
I just wanted to change things up a little lol
Yeah I'm using something I found called "HMS Cancer" it seems to work for me so far
But Im sure I'm not running into really good pvp fleets till what server top 1--- ?
Well I Assume for the fleet I use that be very bad since my frontline is all tanks lol I kinda need QE buff
Id be willing to try that though, I just need to get her I'm not very luck with the raffles
split socket
I haven't heard ppl call HMS cancer for months owo
haughty latch
lol I just started playing recently and I found something just called "HMS Cancer" lol so idk what else to call it
hot creek
well, its not that HMS is cancer, thats what the comp is named. "Cancer" HMS specifically uses Juneau, Fortune, Belfast VG
split socket
haughty latch
With Hood QE and Warspite
coral wren
Juneau is indeed described correctly with that comp
modern tree
HELLO
YES
HMS
Duke is a Warspite sidegrade that feels much better to level and keep arond since this grand old lady is moderately useless in pve before her retro
HMS suffers only from existence of Aurora currently, any fox fleet that does not run Aurora just gets eaten alive by HMS. and Enterprise will sometimes just make you reset, but what are you going to do
split socket
is ws kai good for pve 
modern tree
WS kai has ridiculously high gun damage and acess to QE buff so I can't imagine a world in which she is not at least a T1 in pve against bosses, if nothing else
modern tree
I also have a suspition backed up with some very little data that "sniping" anything using Warspite Hood is not optimal against foxes and you should not play for that due to random damage distribution of battleships and value you get from Hood barrages. Playing Warspite as Flagship and Hood at the bottom lets you put pressure on both foxes at the same time and any stray shells going their way just slay them before they can do anything. 381 will only make this more powerful because Hood will shoot fast enough to just kill a fox on her own without using bad items like a Reloader. Obviously you can just skip Warspite and use Duke to the same effect. I am sure it will be quite effective between her gun damage and barrage.
The only thing HMS struggles with atm is their frontline because stalling against Aurora is just not really a thing, so you have to go ham and hope for the best.
Belfast Aurora Leander/Jintsuu/Juneau seems to work the best, gives you a decent chance to stall out until second strike, which is sort of important because you avoid all the bombs that would eat your shitty AA backline, and gives you a good chance to just overpower the front with torps combined with BB fire. That also wins you the game because Amagi alone is terrible at slaying whats left of your front and all the subsequent shelling targets severly crippled foxes
vague token
leander finally hit 100, now to just max her firepower command =D
shy hazel
vague token
now to level fiji because debuffs ahoy
and hers is actually way better than interference which no one knows how it works xD
zenith tundra
analog hare
I see some people falls in sandbaging wich result losing round 
zenith tundra
i do that all the time... from when i started sandbagging i always lost attempts
analog hare
Indeed
fickle pasture
Hello!
zenith tundra
fickle pasture
I have a pvp related question regarding the Eastern Radiance ships~
This is my fleet and I was wondering if I could get the stat numbers for them so I can compare them against Ping/Ning Hai YatSen fleet.
For my experience, this fleet is better for pvp then going with Both sisters because of surviablity and mobility and Chang chun’s skill.
I swear someone should make a video on them.
zenith tundra
for ning+ping+yat
yat +30% eva -20%dmgT
ning +30% eva -20%dmgT +35% fp
ping +30% eva -20%dmgT +35% fp
with chang is
yat +12%fp +12% rel +12% hit +30% eva -20dmgT
ping/ning+12%fp +12% rel +12% hit +30% eva -20dmgT
chang +12%fp +12% rel +12% hit
zenith tundra
it may be better because hit is good for pvp
fickle pasture
Okay thanks! Any percentage information too? I was told with Ping hai it’s 200% firepower or something because of 35% boost.
zenith tundra
they get +15% from 3rd skill and +35% from pairing the sisters
fickle pasture
But Chang is 12%. BUt is there anything else that isn’t in the skill description that is added? Because with Ping and Ning hai with YatSen, the entire fleet is slow and has low evasion rate and dies first wave of bombs.
But Changchun is such a huge difference that Ning Hai doesn’t get hit by bombs anymore. Or which ever sister you use with YatSen
zenith tundra
chang speed is 45 vs 31 of 1 of the sisters(with maxed 3rd skill)
it's a pretty big difference
fickle pasture
Yeah, then when I noticed that when I use YatSen and Chang Chun as sacrifices in battle, Ning Hai’s speed goes to that of a destoryers or higher...why is that?
zenith tundra
not sure if there is any speed modifier for multiple ships vs 1 solo but solo ships tend to be much faster then when paired with other
at least when u use beaver with fast ships
zenith tundra
11 behind it's casual levels lol
analog hare
ff
zenith tundra
why even bother with that many lost attempts
fickle pasture
I do have beaver badge on Ning Hai but it should be the cause to why Ning Hai doesn’t get hit by bombs anymore. I use it on Prinz and it makes her move faster but not at Ning Hai speed and definitely isn’t dodging any bombs.
zenith tundra
printz speed is 25 vs 31 of ping/ning with maxed 3rd skill
fickle pasture
Oh that litttle difference is that Trumatic then?
zenith tundra
with beaver is 30 vs 37
fickle pasture
Where do you check for speed in the game? Is speed Eva? Or is Eva just your dodge rate?
analog hare
wiki
zenith tundra
in game it doesn't show speed. the speed stat in game is evasion. u can check speed in the wiki page for the ship
zenith tundra
are we gonna get ui 2.0? is that why we don't get any ui fixes?
vague token
i dunno, i thought they were working on it
fickle pasture
Ohhh okay. I’ll look into that. But is that 37 speed the same speed as z23 and laffey? Ning Hai moves as fast as them in battle
vague token
would help with pvp clarity
zenith tundra
laffey speed is 45
fickle pasture
Wish this game had test battles...
Oh then ning hai shouldn’t be anywhere close...
zenith tundra
pvp is the only place u can do that by resetting before the battle ends
u don't lose attempts for resetting
fickle pasture
Oh that’s the purpose of resetting. Until recently I thought it was cheating
zenith tundra
it's somehow intended for retrying a fight if shit goes badly wrong
fickle pasture
Still sounds like cheating to rank up lmao
zenith tundra
it is what it is and u should use it as everyone else does
u rank up in pvp by camping not just winning
fickle pasture
I’m going to start. I’m kinda new and for the longest time I didn’t know about reseting. I saw the option but I assumed there would be a penalty like with other games.
vague token
pvp is a farm
all of their ship decisions point to that
ws kai is pretty obvious
lol
fickle pasture
Oh and that’s another question I had, is how to rank up. With the vanguard I showed I rely on them to win the fight by taking all the damage so my backline doesn’t and I win all my games now, and it’s been like that for 2 months.
But even tho I don’t lose anymore can’t break past 150.
I run out of attacks.
I want to break into the top 100 to top 10 but it’s impossible to have that many attacks to reach it.
zenith tundra
that is because u need bonus points to be competitive. u gain 1 bonus point for roughly 35 score points difference between u and the defender
fickle pasture
Can you explain how camping works?
zenith tundra
if i have 35 pts and u have 0 u gain +1 bonus points over the base
if u attack me
so u just wait for people in ur list to use their attempts and then attack them to get extra bonus points
camping refers to checking ur pvp opponent score/rank every so often to see if they used their attempts
vague token
(top 100 strategy only)
for anything else you just have to pray the person pushes before you kill them
xD
zenith tundra
rank is a bit more estimative based on experience then just checking top 100 scores
fickle pasture
So when reset rush starts, don’t attack, wait for people to attack me then hit the first recommended from the last reset?
zenith tundra
u wait for people to use their attempts not attack u
vague token
i mean, they could attack you if you were in their list xD
it doesnt change their point gain though
zenith tundra
since u gain score with attacks if one of ur opponents used like 3+ attempts u can expect a +1 bonus from attacking it
in the current stage
of pvp
fickle pasture
@vague token I don’t get this games too 100. Usually in most games top 100 is the best of the game and when you get nearly top 10 they should be near unbeatable
I’m guessing that’s not the same story for Azur Lane?
zenith tundra
al pvp is camping and waking up in ur sleep to use attempts
vague token
the way points works
is more of a farm
and not a skill/comp thing
so people at the top are just the ones with the best luck and patience
and a sleep schedule
in theory all players should be 100% win rate
zenith tundra
u shouldn't really lose while attacking because of attacker bonus
vague token
unless you sleep during a match
or sleep through reset
so basically if you sleep you lose
xD
fickle pasture
Damn..I wanted to be really competitive with this games pvp...
vague token
al doesnt support that
otherwise we'd have a real ranking system
with elo or w/e
where you lose points if you dont do your matchup
and you cant pause leave at any point
and also the fleets are mirrored in position and no attacker bonus
zenith tundra
free resets + attacker bonus don't really help with a good ranking system
vague token
but they do help everyone farm merits
it's pretty obvious why it hasnt been changed
xD
fickle pasture
I wouldn’t mind the leaving being gone, I didn’t know i could have been using it this entire time until recently lol
shy hazel
-1 merit point per reset
zenith tundra
....
vague token
also note that if we lose attacker buff, defense advantage would be pretty nuts because torp position
you cant compete with it lol
zenith tundra
if u lose attacker bonus there should be no def bonus as well
vague token
well yeah, but i could imagine them just removing the 20% and forgetting the positional difference xD
zenith tundra
it should simply be a normal fleet vs fleet with no advantages
odd schooner
My other miss wasn't because i was waiting for people. I go gome, atk once, falls asleep and wakes up the next day
fickle pasture
Okay @zenith tundra is there a way to check the bonus you would receive from each fight? Or do you just have to know?
odd schooner
shy hazel
experience it to know it
vague token
intuition
if you think they got rank points
then you do it
otherwise you dont
xD
zenith tundra
it takes a bit of experience but if the difference in rank is pretty high u can expect bonus points
fickle pasture
That sounds complicated for a everyone 😓
vague token
na that part is the simple part
zenith tundra
it depends on server too since some are more competitive then others
vague token
it's still dumb but it is simple
it's literally: do i think they have 35+ more rank points than me
if Yes: kill them
if No: wait
and then bonus checks of
Am I going to lose matches at reset: Kill anyways
vague token
or Will i sleep or work during reset: kill anyways
fickle pasture
Ohhh then I have that all the time. The left most is usually 300+ lower then me when I’m at like 500.
zenith tundra
what server are u on @fickle pasture ?
fickle pasture
I always attack the farthest to the right. So now if the number is that far off from myn I’ll know not to attack.
I think I’m on EN Washington.
zenith tundra
u should never attack other then leftmost opponent
it's the one with the highest score
zenith tundra
the leftmost is the one u want to attack
fickle pasture
But that does nothing for me 😐...i guess it’s because before I was wasting attacks on the leftmost when the number wasn’t 300+ higher then me?
zenith tundra
also for camping better u should never be lower then 5/10 so people in ur list have to use their attempts
fickle pasture
Either that or I’m confused again😓
zenith tundra
like all the time till end season u should be at 5/10 or 10/10
fickle pasture
Oh I’m T 0/10 now lmao
vague token
you can get top 100 by being like me and burning fights but it requires you to burn at certain times of the day
cause everyone is asleep
and cant contest you xD
zenith tundra
u can check top 100 scores in ranking
if it has 35 points more then u u can attack
if not u should wait
fickle pasture
Okay then so 35 or more is the limit? Not 100/300?
zenith tundra
35 score
for ranks it should be way higher then 300
but this depends on server and time in the season
fickle pasture
@balmy torrent I’d attach you if I could😁
zenith tundra
at the beginning a lot of people with same score while late way less with same score so early u want over 1-2k difference in rank while late 300-500 should be enough
fickle pasture
So when reset for me comes I should wait until 10/10? Because if I fight I won’t be able to keep 5/10.
zenith tundra
if anyone gives bonus in ur list u should still attack even at 5/10
zenith tundra
the goal in the end is try and get a lot of bonuses without losing attempts
fickle pasture
I’ll try my best.
zenith tundra
like before reset u should always use attempts over 5
fickle pasture
Lol it’s like poker, gotta “know when to hold’em, gotta know when to fold’em”😂
@zenith tundra lol you keep confusing me...tell me to always have 5/10 left attacks each reset, and use 5 attacks reach reset. I have 0/10 attacks but when I do get 5/10 attacks you want me to use them all a way 😂?
Anyway*
zenith tundra
u should use attempts over 5 like if ur at 7/10 before reset u attack 2 times
fickle pasture
Ohhh
Okay now I understand.
You’ve been incredibly help and patience with me I thank you from the bottom of my heart 😃
zenith tundra
no problem
fickle pasture
Even tho I bet you want me to go die in a fire for being a noob lmao
zenith tundra
i was like that too not that long ago
vague token
i remember when i used to hold the l's, that was a while ago xD
fickle pasture
Brought up a good observation about Chang Chun and Ning hai combo, but go die in a firefor asking noob questions ~
😂
zenith tundra
i'm not that type of person tbh
fickle pasture
Glad everyone’s so nice. I’m use to the die in a fire routine 🙂
In your opinion tho, would the. Ning Hai changChun combo be better then ping hai Ning Hai combo for pvp?
With YatSen of course~
zenith tundra
i wouldn't really use them for pvp but if i had to choose i would go with sisters and try to improve their speed with boilers
fickle pasture
Enty is cancer!
vague token
those health values are so low i dunno how cancer that actually is lol
unkempt swallow
It’s not the HP
It’s their effective evasion stat
I think it’s around an 80% evade rate?
vague token
yeah, isnt that gimped in pvp?
zenith tundra
aurora make ships die like flies
pearl nimbus
Just to double check, if I have 5/10 PvP rounds and refresh happens I get 10/10, right? And if I use any of them I won't get the additional 5?
fickle pasture
How do you have 2599 power on your YatSen! @unkempt swallow !
vague token
also wait, 30% evade boost only hits like
unkempt swallow
Bc yat sen sucks
vague token
130 evade on the retros right?
unkempt swallow
Idek
vague token
oh wait that's evasion Rate
not evasion stat
so it's whatever 100 evade gives
plus 30
zenith tundra
u always get 5 at reset if u have more then 5 already it goes to 10/10 and u lose extras over 5 u didn't use @pearl nimbus
pearl nimbus
okie dokie
fickle pasture
Also Aurora use to be a bane of my team existence, but since I switched to this I don’t have a problem with her as the opposing vanguard
unkempt swallow
I could be boring and go with the ijn meme
fickle pasture
Oh nrm my YatSen is stronger....
unkempt swallow
I don’t care what I put on yat sen
fickle pasture
I thought she was at 2099
fickle pasture
Kinda, with 2 boilers and Chang Chun she’s pretty good and can survive as nearly as long as Ning hai sometime~
unkempt swallow
Haven’t levelled my Chang
fickle pasture
But against Avorva, only Ning hai is going to face her and walk away lol
vague token
lol
unkempt swallow
I would love a kms fleet
fickle pasture
I’m definitely mixing it up with the newer ships. How do you set up these ships?
zenith tundra
u can use whatever works for u but u might have trouble with maxed out comps and need more resets then just using meta comps
vague token
is she worse than owari da atm? not like you ever invuln through fox meta
fickle pasture
She’s great for what I need tho, I rely on my vanguard over my main fleet.
fickle pasture
She’s slow and I need 1 slower bomber with high hp to kill Endy after she uses her lucky E -.-
unkempt swallow
But entys is so above vicy it’s not even fair
vague token
although the reload difference hurts X_x
zenith tundra
vicky has a really slow launch because of her bad reload
vague token
enty has just god tier reload
fickle pasture
Enty is faster and Vicy is slower it’s not bad tho.
vague token
except vicy's hp isnt really much higher
fickle pasture
It’s as fast as Graf Zeppelin
vague token
and less AA
fickle pasture
Right?
zenith tundra
in pvp foxes are the best carriers because of the fast launch
vague token
plus in fox meta heavy armor hurts more than helps
because torp bombers
reee
why doesnt illustrious spawn with a shield reee
fickle pasture
I cAnt use foxes yet, don’t have +10 planes that they need.
vague token
armored carrier that doesnt armor herself
fickle pasture
Can’t wait until I can use them.
vague token
or just give the sakura armored carrier defense buff
to illustrious
that would actually make sense
fickle pasture
Sakura armored carrier defense buff?
vague token
taihou's skill, not out yet
fickle pasture
Oh.
What about Nagato? I heard she’s suppose to nerf the Ning and Ping Hai from wining.
zenith tundra
nagato has accuracy buff for ijn
fickle pasture
Can’t wait to test against Nagato then. So far Amagi and foxes are bad against Ning hai combo
Oh...that maybe why...they actually hit them.
zenith tundra
with belfast u can have ur entire vg survive foxes
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barely, requires torp rng
fickle pasture
They already do but in my experience Belfast skill is too fast and doesn’t last until foxes start bombing...
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/which is why we got dat leander smoke bois
modern tree
Ah, the wonderful world where skills arent maxed and loudouts are random, which makes Belfast worse
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lol
fickle pasture
I’ll look into building Leander~
I just got frustrated until I wanted to build Eldridge diaries and grenland
zenith tundra
u wouldn't use leander in a non hms comp tbh
fickle pasture
Oh...
modern tree
Leander is great pve, get her anyway
zenith tundra
maybe against fw with torp vg but not really a meta right now
vague token
wut, the thing i see most is jintsuu/x/x
fickle pasture
All the new ships are HMS! So I can use her with them.
@zenith tundra is Victorious and Graf Zeppelin’s launch time the same?
zenith tundra
it's hard to calculate and my graf is low level
i have a page to calculate it so gimme a bit
fickle pasture
Take your time!
I’m guessing this would be the best setup for both Sirius and Grenville? Excluding auxiliary~
modern tree
Considering how high Sirius AA and efficency for it is, 113 mm might be a better gun than Bofors
I would say something about not magnetic torpedoes, but it really doesn't matter for a boat with a 100 stat at lvl 100 
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kek
fickle pasture
@modern tree Sirius torpedo numbers aren’t great?
modern tree
They are really, really low, both the stat and efficency. It will be rather miraculous for her to deal over 500 damage per torpedo in pvp
zenith tundra
graf=24.52sec with non kms fighter. vicky=24.61sec. akaga=23.18sec (without skill) enty=23.15sec this with vf-17 fighter, sc2b diver and gold barra/ju (for graf) torp
vague token
i dont know why they bothered adding a torp boost
in her skill lol
when the efficiency is so bad
and the base is so low
might as well not exist
modern tree
You can stack 98 oxy like people do for Sandy kai
zenith tundra
it's still a boost on something she must use
modern tree
To make them. Not useless. But that's probably pve only
vague token
yeah, except arent the barrages ok already for pve?
xD
like her firepower isnt bad
slap a dd gun and go to town
modern tree
DD guns have really bad time against heavy armour
fickle pasture
Thank you @zenith tundra wow she’s a bit faster the Graf. That’s not to much faster so that helps me a lot
zenith tundra
sirius is a barrage boat lol
modern tree
CL guns also have a pretty bad time against heavy armour
zenith tundra
i'm using twin 127 for now because no barrage yet
fickle pasture
Night time for me guys you’ve been an extreme hell that you again!
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o/
zenith tundra
good night
red nexus
Is this gun worth anything?
zenith tundra
anti bomb gun for bb with dd guns aux with high fp
red nexus
Idk i put it on z 23 because i was running toonmany he at that point
fickle pasture
Her second skill where she increase’s so damAge she deals tells me to ewuioba a person to her right?
zenith tundra
her ap skill is mostly used for the barrage too
that ap gun is way too slow for z46 to use her barrage efficiently
fickle pasture
Oh I see so quickly get to the barrage to make use of her second skillzm.
Thanks!
Now sleep lol
zenith tundra
the amount of gold in ph 3 is insane. couldn't they added something else instead...
231/596 coins...
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xD
still on phase 2 cause im leveling stuff in b3
so i can use them asap
gonna try fiji eventually
debuffs =D
modern tree
the german 128 is a good auxiliary for DD based Battleships that have high firepower, the AP projectile speed lets them deal with fireboats rahter effectively. Aside for that, AP ammo on DD guns is actually worse than AP ammo on BB guns, it does not have a single armour class it's even good at hitting and its base damage is absolute trash.
modern tree
I am serious, look at this
vague token
is there even an ap dd gun with base stats that are superior to HE versions?
i doubt it
ivory vine
no
zenith tundra
no good ap weapons for dds
modern tree
I thought that Z46 has AP bost because she can use CL guns like her sisters, but thats not true either
vague token
lol
ivory vine
cl guns are worse than dd guns anyway
red nexus
Wait what? He is broken?!
modern tree
Yes, but TBTSK would be miles better than any AP DD gun
ivory vine
the difference in barrage procs tho
quaint ferry
^
zenith tundra
the skill still boost her barrage
ivory vine
you just dont fall for the ap gun meme
vague token
yes, which means they could have just put that
into the barrage stats
instead of adding a bait skill
ivory vine
i wish they did
vague token
like seriously
quaint ferry
Who we talking about? Nameless loli?
zenith tundra
z46
vague token
unless they're secretly planning on an AP dd gun
so godlike
it'll matter
or making Black Heart get an aux gun instead of torps and having her skill work on it
kek
quaint ferry
Using collab ships 
zenith tundra
even a 127mm with ap might be worth on z46 then again mle is too god tier
vague token
i mean, if black heart's skill worked on aux
an ap gun wouldnt be bad
cause you get the piercing
and the full damage on all armor
literally no loss at that point
but that wont happen so rip
also her skill actually says main gun only
which sucks
but it's to prevent her torps from doing boosted damage lol
cause they'd ignore armor xD
ivory vine
but torps ignoring armor is literally kawa's skill
115% dmg to all armor
which ends up weaker vs heavy armor
ivory vine
but she's still worse off than shit like aya kai and others
ivory vine
cuz eff/stat/skills
vague token
ultimately, black heart is trash so
ivory vine
kawakaze's torp stat isnt bad
coral wren
I’m intrigued
ivory vine
it's just not high enough to compete with shit like poi/aya having a % torp buff
vague token
495 is good but no self buff
zenith tundra
aya torp dmg is literally her supernatural skill
ivory vine
technically tanikaze kai has higher opening torp damage than aya
ivory vine
but aya has demon dance and if she lives to 2nd wave she could have supernatural up
poi has the same eff as kawa
150% like normal ijn ssr
aya kai has 165
cuz retrofit
vague token
yeah 15% is a lot
coral wren
Ok, china vng is bad, lol
vague token
because it multiplies out
ivory vine
yeah i know
vague token
xD
ivory vine
that's why kawa ends up not that good
cuz 15% eff and supernatural
means more torp damage
zenith tundra
tanikaze has 3 more torp stat and same eff as aya
ivory vine
iirc even vs light
coral wren
Surprisingly replacing jesus with aurora brings me more success vs foxes as hms
ivory vine
yeah that's why i said she has higher opening torp dmg
so if aya will die before 20s
tanikaze might actually be a better option
ivory vine
yeah that's why
vague token
muh rng
vague token
plus it can trigger on anyone lol
defense tanikaze trolling
probably not a thing but i can pretend
hit a backline
follow up with jintsuu
xD
ivory vine
i literally only have the ones you got from shop
vague token
yeah
ivory vine
so same
vague token
i dont have a jintsuu but i still want them xD
quaint ferry
Just do comissions with boxes or dailes for them
I got like 3 gold mag torps like that
zenith tundra
lol
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oof
ivory vine
but i already had like 10
zenith tundra
actually crane>me because t3 plates for aux are more useful then for planes
quaint ferry
I got some gear today and a purin for my Eldridge in training
I'll soon be a degenerate pvp user
vague token
lets go back to eldridge meta so i can enjoy some vanguard fights again
and my aurora/CA/defense can just win gun fights
because im biased
quaint ferry
Meta slave Pog
buoyant parrot
zenith tundra
i don't want any eldridge anymore tbh. just rng cancer where u would reset if no proc and enty lucky on radar scan
vague token
eh, owari da radar isnt that bad
quaint ferry
I wish resetting would be removed
buoyant parrot
that would be nice
zenith tundra
then we can no longer test stuff
quaint ferry
Or at least penalize you by consuming a trial
vague token
let me know when attacker bonus and fleet positions are removed
and then ill accept reset removal
i dont need torp defense rng ruining everything
under 5 seconds
xD
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lol yeah
quaint ferry
Wot in tarnation
vague token
mirror should always be a win
quaint ferry
Why
vague token
for attacker
assuming rng doesnt screw you
because pvp is a farm
not competitive
zenith tundra
they should do pvp hard mode without resets or bonuses
modern tree
EX pvp, your opponent gets double stats but you can play manually
vague token
because then neither vanguard can pressure backline
zenith tundra
with ranking based on w/l %
vague token
na, elo
elo lets you have fleet/comp factor in
instead of strict win lose
like, the Odds of Winning should be a factor in your score
zenith tundra
i don't like that tbh
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i mean, otherwise you still get meta doom
subtle whale
how many core data you guys have atm
zenith tundra
well not before wskai
meta doom is fine tbh i don't want to see troll pvp formations
vague token
eww, id rather see interesting fleet comps that COULD work
and if they do, they get a slight bonus
modern tree
588 core data before any dailies or hard mode today
zenith tundra
603 but no bonus today
subtle whale
i am
vague token
im glad i got all of w6 to Safe before 3 hard mode runs
would make it a pain to grind for hood gun
zenith tundra
w7 incoming soon enough with w11
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ree
zenith tundra
getting down the threat level is gonna be a pain with 3 hards
quaint ferry
Damn i went down to top 20 and now im in the 100s again xd
zenith tundra
are u not sandbagging?
quaint ferry
Thats is both my offense and defense
No Jintsuu yet and Eldridge is currently in training as well as Akagi and Kaga so it'll take a while to be a full meta slave
Only fleet i struggle with really is amakaga or if they have jintsuu/aya but other than that most fleets are doable with this
zenith tundra
why erebus tho?
zenith tundra
lol
vague token
once i get dork ill be adding a main fleet oath finally xD
and then ill let myself do a stat oath
zenith tundra
i'm leveling my doy up. qe and hood already at 200 waiting for her
quaint ferry
I know Erebus is not optimal but her barrage is satisfying
vague token
that's fair
quaint ferry
And she pops some ships, specially, Illustrious with one infinite darkness
zenith tundra
the problems are with her low hp and light armor
quaint ferry
Oh shit I forgot where i was, forgive me for I have sinned
vague token
that's a paddling
quaint ferry
no pls anything but that
zenith tundra
idc was just curious why u use her
quaint ferry
It started when I got her and carried me to world 8 with ease, I know she was okayish but not worth using past x since she was too squishy to survive, been using her and pushing the limits to see how far I can go with her.
vague token
nice 
quaint ferry
I lowkey wish she gets a retrofit that makes her more durable or even turns her into a BC
modern tree
I wish she was more than a shell with a really good barrage attached. Monitors have such bad... everything
modern tree
only mgm+1, 120% eff on main gun, bad fp, bad reload, bad evasion, light armour, half health of a normal battleship
zenith tundra
u get what u pay for tbh
modern tree
Can just use Penny for 3 more fuel, you get real gun, similar barrage, heavy armour, double the health...
quaint ferry
even though she has bad stats compared to the rest of the pack, she's a pretty darn lucky ship that has survived me through a lot of things
quaint ferry
she can survive the first owari da no biggie so long as vanguard doesn't die or they don't path all the way back next to the backline
the main issue is the Akagi/Kaga preemtive strike that melts most stuff
zenith tundra
enty planes unload all the stuff on vgs, the touchdown dmg from her planes can't compare to akaga that has twice the planes
wind orbit
Can someone explain how the reset works? Because I keep losing pvp tries.
I have a 5/10 at midnight (9 AM EU time) - clear to 0/10
I get 5 more at 12 pm (9 PM EU time) - I don't clear and wait for the next reset in 6 hours.
At 6 pm (3 AM EU time) - I should have 10/10 but instead I still have 5/10
I thought it was +5 tries on every reset time up to 10 max, so why am I not getting the last one?
modern tree
reset sets the display to 5/10, if you restart the game, it will show you 10 tries because server re-syncs
zenith tundra
if u have 5/10 before reset it doesnt show 10/10 unless u log out of the game
u shouldnt really lose attempts unless u have more then 5 before a reset
coral wren
if youre a lot ahead if you use 2 pvps then the people you match with might only have 3 tries left
so even if they use them they might only go ahead 30 points
you gotta rely on the people to the right to move up and most of the time they already used all 5 i find
odd schooner
Missing this season opened a lot of things for me 
modern tree
It's the best gun for any barrage boat so I would be surprised if it was not good for Amagi, a barrage boat
outer stump
Done... Now what should I get rid of?
pearl nimbus
Autoloader.
modern tree
Purple FCR is not ideal but at least it has ACC on it
outer stump
That's all I have
haughty latch
What the best main gun for BB in pvp that arent barrage
modern tree
406MM mk6 PURPLE
modern tree
it's gonna be the best straight damage gun for a while, both pvp and pve
modern tree
even after PR, it will remain the most affordable
haughty latch
and is the 406mm mk6 just farmable ?
Ive been using the 410mm HE maybe that why my BB werent doing so well dmg wise
modern tree
they drop from gold and purple uss boxes so it is likely you have a couple
pearl nimbus
"6-2, 6-3, T3/T4 Eagle Tech Box"
modern tree
you can also farm them in w6
haughty latch
Believe it or not i only have 1 lol
and what is this best barrage mg you guys are talking about for hood and such
modern tree
410 is a good dps gun, it deals as much damage as 406 per shell and they come out faster. It's main niche is setting fires and keeping them up
gold 381mm that is currently available in Core Data exchange
haughty latch
Okay cool ty
So I use HMS would it be worth swapping my 410mm to 406 mk6 for my Warspite and QE?
pearl nimbus
Depends.
QE I'd say yes.
Warspite you can go with either.
I find 410 Warspites tend to be the most annoying.
modern tree
I think that currently using 406 on Warspite and QE is ideal if you are running them alongside Hood, that should be holding a 410
just because foxes are everywhere
and slamming them is a better option
I did run 410 on both hood and Warspite when Enterprise was more prominent
but QE should just stick to 406 I think
modern tree
It's a fine choice. If you have gold FCR it should go on Hood. If you have Beaver squad tag, it should go on your flagship, everything else is fine
White Shell waiting room
haughty latch
alrighty so qe should get beaver
coral wren
do people on sandy ever do pvp?
or do they all wait until 30 seconds to reset to do them
modern tree
I got nothing this reset either, must be something in the water
coral wren
coming again with the question: what's better against akaga fleets, north carolina or amagi in wasd?
or duke of york i guess
brittle hill
Don't know about Dork but I run Enterprise for the damage with Belfast and Juneau for survivability
works like 70% of the time, 50% of the time
I've tried meming with full AA but in PVP doesn't seem like it makes a huge difference, I still get screwed for the 2nd wave
coral wren
and helena as well or?
brittle hill
Ayanami, though I figure Eldridge would be the superior 3rd
I don't have her leveled
coral wren
why not helena if you use enterprise
modern tree
because Aurora is better
coral wren
if not for lucky E, what boat should i use instead 
i want a change of pace
i saw CN used north carolina, for the battleship triforce
or essex, or amagi, or ark royal
modern tree
Amagi works, I quite liked running it with 3 IJN for faster shooty. I have never tried norcal but its a vanilla shelling BB with a skill that does not save your VG from getting obliterated so I am sceptical
coral wren
also, should i use fortune kai?
either 4 people just lost a reset or theyre all that low after using all their attempts already
most likely the latter since its sandy
prisma gale
how good is sirius
modern tree
how much do you like carriers?
hot creek
is it possible to time Enty's launch time to counter 2nd fox strike?
modern tree
you'd have to delay it by like 10 seconds, so maybe by unequipping torp bombers
but if you dont want to leave equipment slots empty, I am not sure if there are planes slow enough to do it
cuz even with hellcat and ryuusei its not even close
hot creek
FeelsBadMan
modern tree
it's too fast without torp bomber too, launches at 31
coral wren
is the new plane any good? the chinese wiki suggests it as a fighter for enterprise in pvp, either that or vf17
dive, my bad
modern tree
afaik chinesee wiki considers firefly/glowworm only if ran with ryuusei cuz of launch speed. It's for launch time tuning. Helldiver will always be more damge
coral wren
oh, so they basically do it based on the timer
modern tree
I am unsure how good it is because I am not sure what is the actual speed difference between those at +10 cuz they are both 13.77 unleveled
but its probably a difference of 0.77 at max level, which will cut launch speed by maybe a second at best? I am not sure how much merit this recommendation has, but at least 2x 1000lb bombs are better than one
serene knot
maybe it's because my akagi arent lvl 100 yet, but... i can beat a amakaga enemy with my wasd enty, but i can't beat an enemy wasd enty with my amakaga, even with similar total power
hot creek
level up and enhance everything.
prisma python
For the future I’m thinking about incorporating Sirius into my Amagi PvP fleet. Currently the vanguard is Belfast, Jintsuu Kai, and Aurora which I may change into Sirius, Ayanami Kai, and Aurora. Thoughts?
shy hazel
aurora and jintsu is always non negotiable
youll want to try removing aya
it wont be as good aa u expect it to be imo
well at least thee can try
my sirius skill lvl 8 now lvl 75
for future memes
yellow skill*
when uss airfleet is gr8 again
shy hazel
gotta pray shang is terrigood
modern tree
cuz no need IJN
modern tree
I was thinking of juneau/belfast and aurora sirius
ionic magnet
^
was thinking the same
tho im considering taking out aurora and just go bel/sirius/jun
ill have to see it in action first tho
modern tree
really depends on how potent the first strike is with 2 debuffs combined
but I will see in a couple of days
skill is lvl 8 already
shy hazel
im pretty sure torp is still endgame
sirius is just
a dessert
when u want to spice up things
modern tree
I mean, if you wanna play foxes, you are still waiting for Sendai
ionic magnet
sirius is non negotiable for me cos waifu 
ionic magnet
how much exp do we need for straight 110
ionic magnet
200k to go
shy hazel
ima prioritize pvp ships
amagi jint theb farm sendai ho
its only blue
who knows though
im getting tired of this game
feelsquitman
hot creek
I still don't have Doy. PepeHands
hot creek
I will probably attempt to go for #1 in EX later when I inevitably run out of fuel later today
but honestly idk how tf I can improve my current score
split socket
aren't u running torp meme?
split socket
oh ur comp is different from mine lol
I used 4 ships for it
enty - jin aya helena kills the boss around 30 sec, if everything crit then u can do it in 23 secs
I almost got that one once, boss had 3 bar hp left after first torp from aya and jin
hot creek
stars need to align to get that damage
split socket
yup haha
but u should be able to get 8k+ if u put a trash backline ship
as the torps should be enough, u just have to retry for who knows how long xo
it took me almost 2h to make it work without full crit, boss had like 10 bar hp left and enty finished her off
hot creek
I wish I had more than one gold quad torp
I got so many rainbow JP crates and they all dropped garbage
split socket
I tried with 2x gold quad actually but never managed to make it work
hot creek
my one and only gold quad was farmed from blueprints
split socket
usually at least 2 torps get missed
had to use rainbow mag torp + gold quad to make it easier
hot creek
@split socket what was your highest score in EX with that comp?