pvp

[arctic imp]

I dunno if comp is good I dunno half of those ships.

[buoyant parrot]

btw why Neptune?

[pearl nimbus]

Why bunnies+Centaur?

[leaden sequoia]

Centaur buffs backline when launching airstrike, +15% airpower and +10% FP, for 8 secs

Neptune ..., dunno, likely because she's an absolute unit on her own

[pearl nimbus]

Not wrong.

But like I feel that comp just loses to any Nagato comp.

Then again.....what comp doesn't lmao

[shy hazel]

ws kai comp

[dull hollow]

i suppose you haven seen me in the past few days

i've been doing nothing but

crafting memeshit pvp comps

some of them have been amazing

some of them

well actualy

every comp I've tested so far has been amazing

so uh

yeah.

[hot creek]

the WS Kai Effect™

[dull hollow]

i dont know if this centaur comp will cut it tho

[zenith tundra]

i hope they won't release some new op ship while en won't get reruns...

[shy hazel]

yamato in nagato rerun

[zenith tundra]

i'm actually worried about that tbh

[shy hazel]

if not maybe shinano

[zenith tundra]

i wish they would just put in some stupid subs as new ships so we don't lose anything

[coral wren]

is it best to wait until the maximum point difference between your opponents and yourself or is it better to try to beat multiple people with the 35 point gap?

cos theres a guy in sandy thats like a clear 10 points above me and i thought i did pretty well early

[ionic magnet]

yes you only attack when you're sure he already did most of his rounds

then hope for your next rolls to do the same

ofc theres exceptions like when reset is already near etc etc

[zenith tundra]

if i see someone move in my list i wait another like 5-10mins and if it doesn't move anymore and i get bonus from attacking i usually go for it

[coral wren]

yeah im just not having much luck with any of my opponents actually using their exercises

[zenith tundra]

then again i suck at gaining bonus so i should't give advices

[coral wren]

and mostly the fact i cant sit at 5-10 most of the time since eu time zones

[ionic magnet]

yes timezones help a lot tbh

[coral wren]

is the point difference bonus at the start higher? since you get points faster i think

[zenith tundra]

eu sucks as timezone lol. i get a reset at 4am

[coral wren]

yeah mine is 2am

[zenith tundra]

is easier to get more bonuses early on

[ionic magnet]

same that 4am reset seals the deal

[coral wren]

so i have to sleep between 2 resets

[ionic magnet]

i can never compete with end of season top 10

[zenith tundra]

i'm lucky that i work in shifts and somehow can afford to be awake at night all the time lol

[coral wren]

in sandy people are pretty bad at pvp so ill see if i can possibly make top 10

[zenith tundra]

i wish i could move to sandy... avrora is so competitive

[ionic magnet]

^

[coral wren]

yeah id never be able to do it on avrora

americans get it a lot easier with time zone advantage

[zenith tundra]

if they would release an eu server i might consider moving to it

but all en servers are us timezone based

[modern tree]

I find the timings to work quite well for cet timezone, if you can afford to stay up till 1am on weekdays. It's kind of hard to catch points before 3am reset otherwise. I don't know if I would like a change.

Maybe a shift by one hour, but that's about it

[coral wren]

is it better to sit 5-10?

[zenith tundra]

if it would be 1hr earlier would be so much better even for me

[coral wren]

or like easier to gain the 35 gap that way i guess

shifted either way id like since i have to basically run down to 0 attempts at night

and i basically get no bonus for those 5

[ionic magnet]

its better to sit at 5/10 yea for higher possible bonus pts

[coral wren]

they get that nice 12 hour gap to sleep in

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

id rather it was 8 hours between each reset

than 12 6 6

[modern tree]

I always sit on 10 until someone plays because earlier in the season sitting at 5 makes for smaller point gaps and accidentally landing on n1 spot, later when it's only 10 per game, 5 games is only 1 point so you camp high attempt count too for best chance to get extra

[zenith tundra]

do base points apply based on current rank or next rank if ur close to the next rank? for example i have 90pts and attacking someone gives me 28pts or 22pts?

[modern tree]

Go down to 5 before reset, repeat

[coral wren]

id assume it would be what rank you were currently at not after you earn the points

or it would be super hard to code that

or just over complicated

[zenith tundra]

idk i feel like every time i gain the amount of next rank when i change it...

[leaden sequoia]

based on current rank, yeah

it's the reason why I care about over-bonusing because that might be cancelled out by lower base point gain in the next rank

[zenith tundra]

i'm pretty sure i didn't get 28 pts when i was at 90

i got like 25 or something like that

at least for the ui score at the end of battle not sure about actual score

[leaden sequoia]

UI score shows current rank point gain + bonuses and actual score is increased by the number showed after battle...

so it's working as intended for me

[zenith tundra]

i saw a +-256 after a battle lol

i attacked like ex number 6 that was in my list at the end of a season

i'm not even sure i got the actual

+28 i should have

[leaden sequoia]

well, you never lose points, so those ranking higher than you should stay higher than you before you attack and potentially give bonuses

I dunno if it's just me sandbagging at 1k-2k positions right now, but I never had less gains from attacking the leftmost opponent

maybe ranking shenanigans happen when you rank high at the start of the season?

[zenith tundra]

i logged in right before the reset to see my actual rank and then attacked to get someone who was playing in my list

it was like attacking someone who had 2.6k pts with me at 0

that was why the ui bugged

[leaden sequoia]

ah, I think that's a hard cap at 500 points difference, so max bonus points is 14, and so attacking with 0 points will give you 42

[zenith tundra]

i'll try next season to do same thing and see if i can get that bug again

it was fun tho looking at a +- number lol

[leaden sequoia]

probably the server has already resetted PvP somehow

and desync happened

even before the reset time

[zenith tundra]

i did with new season attempts but old season list

i wonder why we get 8hrs maint...

i'm gonna go to sleep so idc all that much but still is so long

[coral wren]

8 hours
Oh wow, did implementing sirius fuck something up?

[zenith tundra]

most likely the patch they prepared was without sirius so i guess so

[leaden sequoia]

I mean, Sirius and Matchless were a last minute decision if we go by what the long explanation letter said

and the Ryuujou event was not without fuckups too, so they likely want to double-check even more now

[zenith tundra]

the shop is also a bit different too

[leaden sequoia]

since this is a major event

the shop is the same as in FW, right? so no new mechanic is introduced here, just reuse the old one

[zenith tundra]

amagi barrage was bugged for a long time then they fixed it then bugged it again then fixed it again and now it's bugged in pvp as a defensive ship...

[coral wren]

It seems so

Hmm, how is it bugged?

[zenith tundra]

like checking stuff seems kinda of a stretch imo

it doesn't have a X pattern it has a V pattern when fired by a defensive amagi in pvp

[leaden sequoia]

If you compare Amagi on your and enemy fleet, their barrages look differently

[coral wren]

Oh...

[leaden sequoia]

I chalk it up to a wrong variable used to compute offset somewhere, but still...

[coral wren]

But the dmg is the same, right? It’s just the look of it?

[zenith tundra]

idk he pattern seems off too

and that's where the dmg is

[leaden sequoia]

bullet dmg should be same, I think, it just doesn't hit targets most of the time

[zenith tundra]

dead list before reset cool

[leaden sequoia]

ok final battle

aaand freaking no one moved

Wash btw

[zenith tundra]

i'm doing last one now

[leaden sequoia]

done, 5/10

[zenith tundra]

even ending 34 secs before reset doesn't make anyone move

[leaden sequoia]

welp, maintenance time bois

[zenith tundra]

not even 2 min to do stuff lol

they must really need the time

[leaden sequoia]

at least collected Matsukaze login reward

[zenith tundra]

also rip everyone 100% this month for a while

why are u awake then lol

[leaden sequoia]

I thought a lot of people already had to bury the dream of 100% after LNY light build hell

it's a reflex by now

same

but she both is meh and will appear in permanent soon, so I'm not worried much

[zenith tundra]

i wont even try before avrora even tho i haven't miss a single limited ship so far

[leaden sequoia]

I wasted 22 cubes on Hatsushimo, including daily 1 and weekly 10 builds, but then I went "nope, WC is right there"

[ivory vine]

i went like 300 cubes

no tai yuan

[zenith tundra]

i think not even 260 cubes will be enough for wc after getting hatsu in a 3 build for weekly lol

[leaden sequoia]

eyy, in my case it was 146 cubes

[ivory vine]

i got hatsu from 2nd day daily

but collection dream i barely cared about was already ded

[leaden sequoia]

no goddamn chinese DD sisters in sight, dammit

[ivory vine]

i got chang chun eventually after like 250+ cubes

but not tai yuan

[leaden sequoia]

instead a pile of maids

[ivory vine]

now i guess ill just get botes that i like/are good

which means doy

[zenith tundra]

i spent 120 cubes in cny and didn't even realize i had all ships already

[ivory vine]

and maybe vicky

[leaden sequoia]

and didn't even realize i had all ships already
now you're just flexing on us poor souls

[zenith tundra]

i gave up on event build at that time only to find out some days later that i had them all

if not i would have spent more cubes for nothing lol

[ivory vine]

i wanted the cute l2d skin

[zenith tundra]

which?

laffey?

[leaden sequoia]

Tai Yuan l2d, I suppose

the one she is featured in Momopoly

with red dress

[zenith tundra]

is that skin l2d?

i didn't even equip it lol

[leaden sequoia]

according to wiki, yes

[ivory vine]

yes

it's cute l2d skin

[zenith tundra]

gonna give it a try after maint

[ivory vine]

now i have no fuckin cubes

and no cute l2d bote

[zenith tundra]

wc is long and only sheffield and sirius are worth building for

[coral wren]

is doy a reward boat?

[shy hazel]

[leaden sequoia]

reward, also can be dropped brom B3 and D3

[shy hazel]

grind lots of doy

so no need to purin

[leaden sequoia]

I need to farm dupes for DoY too, not enough purins

[zenith tundra]

75pt to 18kpts for doy depending if ur a rng god or not

[leaden sequoia]

and pull dupes for Sirius if for some reason didn't get all event ships

[shy hazel]

wait

wc only has 40k points total

on gacha

[zenith tundra]

yes

[shy hazel]

not that hard

[mental sierra]

can't wait to stack Sirius with Aurora

[shy hazel]

gotta get even the trash

[leaden sequoia]

40500 for all stages
18000 for DoY

[mental sierra]

[clear cloud]

waiting for adrent for CV pvp

[zenith tundra]

u can get doy with 75 pts if u manage to clear phase 1 and 2 in 2 pulls each and pull doy 1st in phase 3

[mental sierra]

[zenith tundra]

0.0026% chances to get doy in 5 pulls

[leaden sequoia]

wait, you don't need to pull everyting else before main rewards, right?

[zenith tundra]

just the main ones before u move to next

[leaden sequoia]

phew

I was assuming that, so I thought 18k points was the minimum to get DoY

was prepared for intensive C3 grinding before D3 comes along the next day

[zenith tundra]

18k if ur luck left u for good

i still remember the 2/200 meme clear in phase 1 during fw

[mental sierra]

Yeah, I'm getting every fucking thing

I loved FW

I had like 40 of every gold book at the end

I've been wanting another lottery box style event

this shit's my jam

[zenith tundra]

i wanted the hsfcr and nc from fw and got stuck forever on ph1

[mental sierra]

⚰

[zenith tundra]

i cleared the shop too in fw

ph4 was so uninteresting tho

[mental sierra]

I'm interested in this new mini game that'll get us more points randomly

it's different from the FW one

[leaden sequoia]

I got a different number for probability of getting DoY in 5 pulls

and it's way lower

[zenith tundra]

then ur math is better because i suck at that

[leaden sequoia]

I calculated
(1 / 26) * (1 / 25) * (1 / 51) * (1/50) * (1 / 40)

that's 0.0000015%

basically, 1st phase has 26 items, you need to pull 2, so the first pull has probability 1/26, the second 1/25 as you cleared the first one already

[zenith tundra]

it should be 1/2001/1991/4001/3991/800*100

[mental sierra]

ahahaha, asterisks

[leaden sequoia]

mhm

[mental sierra]

hate when that happens

[zenith tundra]

yeah fuck that

[leaden sequoia]

maybe I'm misunderstanding how event gacha works

[zenith tundra]

there are 200 items in ph1

not 26

[leaden sequoia]

ohhh

there are dupes

I forgot about that

[zenith tundra]

Phase 1 (200/200)

1.9678593468596113399075578393219e-11... how much is this lol

0.00000000002 or something like that

[leaden sequoia]

3rd phase has 600 items tho, not 800

[zenith tundra]

oh my bad

[leaden sequoia]

so mine is 2.6238124624794818e-11

not that much of a difference anyway, on the absolute scale

[shy hazel]

fk ur intelligent maths

just grind

[leaden sequoia]

1 in 38 billions

[zenith tundra]

ok sounds like maybe if everyone on earth played al 1 would get it

[leaden sequoia]

it's e-11, not e-10

[zenith tundra]

%

[leaden sequoia]

(i just multiplied the denominators)
that actually makes more sense, with floating point math being inaccurate and all

oh wait

that's 3.8 * 10^12

[zenith tundra]

3 811 247 999 999

[leaden sequoia]

3.8 trilllions

exact value would be 3 811 248 000 000

oh, we're using different numbering systems

you're using a long system, while I'm using a short one

i.e. I call 10^3 thousand, 10^6 million, 10^9 billion, 10^12 trillion etc.

yeah, whatever

[zenith tundra]

maybe the rng god can pull it off

[shy hazel]

cant even pull a single blue ship in 200 tries

then u expect rng to give at that rate

[coral wren]

What a shame for victorious to be this weak...

2bad they buff ships only via retrofits, if you ask me many are in need of even a simple stat tweak

[clear cloud]

120%,130%,130%??

[coral wren]

double her stats

[hybrid tendon]

well

they said shipgirls are not born equal

also stats doesnt matter too much in pve

[coral wren]

What is the point of making weak ships super rare tho 🤔

[leaden sequoia]

to have an excuse to make more skins to encourage whaling, of course

[stable panther]

To encourage future super expensive retrofit

[leaden sequoia]

on top of being expensive with bps and gold, the two SSR retros so far required an event-limited item

[coral wren]

Are those planes any good?

glowworm and torch

[zenith tundra]

the torp bomber is slower then barra most likely not worth using even over purple barra

[finite valve]

not really better then what you are using

[coral wren]

Like, can you bait aa with them?

Ah, ok

[zenith tundra]

glowworm loadout is inferior to helldivers so no

[finite valve]

at least we have a mod with a sense of humor

or not

rip zzz

[pearl nimbus]

[zenith tundra]

at least he has sense of humor

[viscid lynx]

mods apparently doesn't want it

but if it was in my serv i would've pinned it

[pearl nimbus]

[modern tree]

This channel is serious business

Just like the pvp

[vague token]

wait, sheffield's skill seems completely different from the wiki translation. i thought she was going to be an rng meme in pvp but

this is COMPLETELY different

????

anyone else got her in build and noticed?

[hot creek]

probably translation error

[vague token]

i mean, that's a big translation error lol

it went from

team ships who are weaker in hp than you

to

if sheff's hp is lower than the flag

i wouldnt expect a translation error to completely miss like that lol

oh and it doesnt trigger at the start of battle

[modern tree]

I could comment on it if I got her in 160 cubes instesd of 5 Sirius I want to die

[vague token]

oh

im sorry =(

[real notch]

i used 26 and i got a jamaica

[vague token]

my first ship was victorious but she doesnt really have much pvp relevance xD

[real notch]

it appears the only pvp viable ship is dork

[modern tree]

I think I just wanted sheff but 5 Sirius and 7 Jamaica will have to make due for my 160 cubes

[vague token]

https://gyazo.com/156c83ebc5817042ac5f53bf7b4aefb0

here is reference though

it's literally a better iron defense

[coral wren]

en wiki is shit since the original team who worked on it was asked to fuck off or they would be taken to the court due to copyright issue

[modern tree]

its less than flag and own damage?

[vague token]

yeah

[real notch]

lol

[vague token]

COMPLETELY different

[real notch]

really?

i knew en wiki had issues like TL mistakes and stuff not updated but

taken to court

[zenith tundra]

completely fucked up translation

[vague token]

i see it in the feedback

ok

they know

in wiki feedback

[coral wren]

Yeah, i think it all started in august

[vague token]

oh wait

is the EN version wrong?

[zenith tundra]

i got sheffield in 140 cubes more then vicky and sirius

[vague token]

cause it says translation error

in known bugs

?_?

[coral wren]

Like, fans of the game from both cn and jp decided to amke a wiki, and then AL en team decided to take it away from them

[real notch]

oh the localization team for EN client is pretty shit too

most of the translations are more or less correct but some of them seem like they were translated by apes

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

they should just copypasta the skills description from wiki. it's better then what they can do either way

[coral wren]

Well, there is a reason for that. Previous team had the passion for the game, but the current one is doing it for money. Explains why many of them are jsut shitposting in general instead of doing their job

lol

[real notch]

like kaga's oath description

fucking romeo and juliet

[modern tree]

some of the translations seem to be pulled straight from en wiki

[zenith tundra]

some out their ass tho

[modern tree]

they could use some serious QA on this shit

[real notch]

yeae i actually stopped using en wiki for researching now

i still use it just to check what ships are available but if it's anything like theorycrafting

[coral wren]

They won't bother

[real notch]

i go straight to the CN/JP wiki

[vague token]

/cant do moon runes

xD

[coral wren]

If you want i'll just dump here some screenshots of those who work on wiki team, that will explain you alot why it's so bad

[vague token]

na it's ok

we'll get mod slapped if we're too salty

[real notch]

lol DM me it

[vague token]

so back to pvp ;)

[real notch]

i am curious

[modern tree]

It's a wiki, go edit it if you are this salty

[coral wren]

Tomorrow i will, i have them on a different pc. Right now we can hope that somebody will just make a translation of cn wiki

[modern tree]

you will get a neat name colour to match your pfp too

[coral wren]

You aren't allowed to edit it

[vague token]

oh i need to do my matches before work

if you have me on left im about to burn 10 xD

well i guess it wouldnt matter which spot in matches im in if i just say im running through 10

xD

[finite valve]

this is from google translate and yes this is from the CN wiki

i think the wiki is correct

dk lel

[modern tree]

https://trello.com/c/rmiJJWZ3/327-sheffield

Trello

Sheffield

Description: I tapped the skill icon in the character screen
Perceived Severity: The text is in English with glaring mistakes, but is mostly understandable
Corrected Translation: Allied ships with lower health than Sheffield at the start of battle will have a 10.0% (30.0%) ch...

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its okay, they know

[vague token]

yeah it's in the known bugs down there

i checked after i raged

xD

[finite valve]

ppl are speculating what version is correct

not that they dk about the error

some are saying the EN version is correct

[modern tree]

trello card has the correct text

[zenith tundra]

i hoped people would just rush their attempts and get over with them to focus on event but barely managed a +1x2 attempts

[finite valve]

dk bro

lel

[modern tree]

why would it be changed just for EN, that's strange

[vague token]

i cant even call it a buff, it's more of a sidegrade lol

like, it's pretty meh in comparison for pvp

at least you could reroll until the vanguard took half damage

xD

since most things are additive in this game

you could probably get jintsuu to 70% damage reduction lol

or just invulnerable to air strikes during belfast smoke

for top kek

[zenith tundra]

i think u can test that with a low lvl sheffield and using lvl 100 ships

[vague token]

50+20+35

[coral wren]

I wish they did more sidegrades..

[zenith tundra]

it's actually a downgrade straight forward if it would be like that because instead of affecting ur vg it would only affect herself

[vague token]

well, at least it's better than Iron Defense or w/e it's called

everyone with that got nuked hard

rip indy

[zenith tundra]

might be better but original skill is so much more useful

[vague token]

yeah

[zenith tundra]

i'll try myself and wreck my sheffield a bit. if her skill never procs it's a translation error

tried this and not even 1 proc of her skill

[real notch]

rip

lmao

[vague token]

try adding a friend with less hp

xD

so she can proc the wiki version

also used all my matches, free bonus points

[zenith tundra]

i was trying with vampire her evasion is to high

[finite valve]

just put her in pvp and reset till you got her skill to proc

[zenith tundra]

with this i can see a shield appearing around pensi when she get hit

there is no text for it

[finite valve]

pensi skill is red right?

if that the case then yeh wiki is correct

this is in JP right?

[zenith tundra]

25% activation every 20 seconds: Increase fleet's Reload by 5%(25%) for 8 seconds. Does not stack with the same skill

pensi

it's hard to catch with pic but it seems that wiki is right

[modern tree]

its the regular skill activation flash, yea

[hot creek]

really wish I had a Benson

FoxesE + Sirius/Aurora/Benson. Suiseis on foxes for faster launch

[zenith tundra]

anyone tried c3? i can't seems to get any ship drops

outside of boss

[modern tree]

If I were not about to fill my academy with event ships, I'd say I will do it for you

[zenith tundra]

help is as useful as stick up my ass

[modern tree]

I can trade you one of 5 sirius I got for sheff or cubes so I can keep rolling for sheff

how do I always get fucked by elite ships

hmu on Sandy

[finite valve]

@zenith tundra seem fine to me

[zenith tundra]

idk i felt like every time i looked at drops there were no ships my imagination i guess

still 1 elite drop and it's qe

[finite valve]

got 2 fiji already

need 3 more for mlb

[zenith tundra]

lol

lucky u

[real notch]

can confirm c3 works

[high flume]

So, what y'all think bout Sirius (+2 staple frontliners) + Akagaprise?

[real notch]

seems legit

the hit boost is like 10%

and the airpower boost is also 10%

[modern tree]

its probably better than trying to fit her on Amagi fleets

[real notch]

it's aiite

i think

if it was dmg boost 10% that'd be much better

[modern tree]

cuz you can easly run something like Belfast/Juneau Aurora Sirius and just laugh at the damage your carriers are doing. Amagi doesnt have this luxury

[high flume]

Well, the main purpose of Amagi is too prevent all glasscanons (Jintsuu, Akagi, Kaga) from being deleted instantly

[modern tree]

You cant be sunk if everyone that tries to do it is already at the bottom of the sea. Amagi is neat, dont get me wrong, but her gimmick that forces 4 IJN ships when we have acess to exactly one good frontliner is rather crippling

[split socket]

the buff she gets from 4 IJN ships aren't what makes her op though

u still benefit from all of her other skills which are way more impactful

[real notch]

her barrage pattern is really strong

[finite patio]

Does Amagi count as one of the IJN ships for her Crippling Strike?

Ok cool, so Amagi, Akagi, Kaga and Ayanami are chill then.

Oh yes why not both?

[real notch]

both work

[finite patio]

My Aya is almost at 5k power

[real notch]

ayakai can hit 5k

5014 or something

that's her cap apparently

[finite patio]

Woahhhh

[modern tree]

@split socket I have a feeling you come here just to argue with me, but sure, lets do it every day. How is having 40% faster shot with her barrage attached not the best thing about her and how would 7% ish less damage taken with 10% evasion rate even match up to that? Sure you can barrage without the faster shot, but why would you chose to do so? My point is that in Amakaga fleet there is no space for Sirius because you have to run Jintsuu and you have to run Aurora, leaving you with only one ship slot that you do not want to use for a boat that has less torp stat than Amagi. Sure you can replace Aurora and see what happens, but it's not an upgrade

therfore clowny shit like Enterprise Foxes is definetly a better fit

[vague token]

that's not janky

that's like alter meta

lol

[real notch]

imo the sirius buff

is too small (on paper) to be a better option

its just 10%

that's almost nothing

[vague token]

if it worked on main fleet

it would be good

since it counteracts amagi's defense buff

[real notch]

a 50% airpower buff from foxes is significant

a 10% is not

[vague token]

since they're both 10% flat evasion chance

instead of evade stat

they just cancel

[real notch]

the hit + is good too but would you trade off juneau/aurora/jintsuu for it? that's a hard tossup

[vague token]

it isnt hit

hit is its own stat

not worth though xD

[real notch]

i mean i am talking in terms of top tier fleets

sirius is ofc good

but is she good enough to topple meta picks? i'd say no

[vague token]

she'd only be good if dd gun damage mattered

but no one has the hp to make it matter

unless everyone hit 10k+ hp, burst and frontloaded is superior to dps

[real notch]

if she had like cleveland/edinburgh level stats then maybe

but she's just 3.3k hp

[vague token]

which is frontloaded burst

not dps

xD

[real notch]

also i believe the increased hitrate is not additional

because that'd be kind of crazy

[vague token]

wait really?

because the wording

is the same as amagis

it doesnt say Hit up, it says hit rate

[real notch]

uhh

hit rate or hit stat

big difference

[vague token]

or at least wiki

says hit rate

dunno what game says

[real notch]

if base hit of twinfox is 100

[vague token]

dont have sirius yet

[real notch]

then sirius would make it 110

^ that should be what really happens

[vague token]

yeah, but i doubt it

since they did amagi

who has an evade rate buff

not evade stat

[real notch]

i don't think you increase the hit rate

cus that would be nuts

[vague token]

evade stat buff for backline is useless lol

[real notch]

the additional hit stat you need to go from 85% accuracy to 95%

is like

100 hit

lol

diminishing returns is very unforgiving at the top brackets

[vague token]

yeah

[modern tree]

you still cant go over 90% hitrate

[real notch]

if my twinfox has 90% hit there's no way sirius will make it 100

[vague token]

do we know that with flat bonuses?

she's the first flat hit bonus

[real notch]

if i am somehow proven wrong

fuck me LOL

[vague token]

in the game

theoretically

[real notch]

power creep what

[vague token]

well, her base stats are poor

so it's fine

it's ok to make a weak ship with strong support skills

[modern tree]

She is meat and barrage

[vague token]

not make amagi who have good stats and good skills

lol

[real notch]

sirius has pretty strong AA though

344 according to wiki

[vague token]

she's HMS juneau

dd gun slot

in addition to cl

[real notch]

she's basically juneau

[vague token]

yeah

but instead of 25% healing

she self buffs

[real notch]

so her stats are not terrible

[vague token]

well

21% torp wont save 140 torp

and 130 efficiency

lol

[real notch]

lol that torp stat is pretty bad tho

[vague token]

yeah, it's higher than juneau's easily though

all her offense is more than juneau

she's selfish juneau

xD

[modern tree]

Newcastle is HMS Juneau tho

[real notch]

130% efficiency on AA gun is not bad either

she's really really tuff

AA wise

probably shells out more AA dmg than sodak/washington

by far

[vague token]

oh wow, you're right

and newcastle has 250 torp lol

[modern tree]

Newcastle is a decent boat

[vague token]

yeah

sirius is literally just for the mysterious hit rate boost

that we dont know is hit rate or hit stat

xD

[real notch]

yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[vague token]

or shooty guns

weaker sandy kai?

xD

[real notch]

for now i'm pretty convinced it's hit stat + 10%

if it is hit rate

holy fuck

that's busted

[vague token]

is it though, aurora solves hit rate issues just fine

and torps + first strike already wipes cas

port kai isnt tanky enough yet

i can just make her live through barrage/strike/1 torp

leander smoke helps of course

[real notch]

i think aurora's is fine because it's scaling though

like, if washington was a CL/DD, she would have 3.6 less EVA

(given base 18 EVA)

but hit will cap at 100

(i'm pretty sure)

[modern tree]

Aurora is evasion RATE also

[real notch]

uhh

tbh i'm not sure

about this topic

there are a lot of factors that go into EVA

the thing is finding the order in which things are calculated

[vague token]

what, 75 evade is cl tier evade

that's not barely

[real notch]

if aurora debuffs final EVA rate

that's very substantial

[vague token]

the main perk is she isnt hit by aurora and she has 5k base hp xD

[real notch]

but if aurora debuff is just an intermediary calc

then it's less effectie

[vague token]

toss on double smoke and port kai can evade a lot

she just needs more hit points

from 120

lol

[real notch]

portkai ? ye

wait

[vague token]

i mean, the difference is 14%

but she has way more in hp

for torps

[real notch]

does anyone know the ordering in which aurora debuff is calculated

[vague token]

a bulge CL light armor takes .56

a bulge port kai takes .7

but you get like 2k hp over the cls

the same evade

and no debuff

[real notch]

like say, i have the following scenario:
ship: washington

• SG radar
• badge
• amagi buff

• aurora debuff

[hidden wyvern]

Different weapons and shell types do different damage based on the armor of the target, as shown in the picture.

Also remember the following

• 航空 (aviation) enemies are weak to airstikes
• 主砲 (maingun) enemies are weak to main gun (CA gun, BB gun, DD gun, CL gun)
• 雷擊 (torpedo) enemies are weak to torpedo

anything that the enemies are not weak against are resisted heavily by them

[high flume]

Akagaprise + Lucky E + Helena's skill + Sirius's skill =

[real notch]

assuming that washington is a CL/DD

in what ordering is aurora debuff calculated

[hot creek]

Helena in 2019

[vague token]

the main problem is port kai doesnt apply dps pressure

the evade boost from smoke is fine for that

yeah they're equivalent

mostly

the problem port kai has is damage output

she doesnt hit backline

[real notch]

reeeeeeeeee

[vague token]

and guns dont do enough

because jintsuu has the best dps buff in the game

for vanguard

minus avrora memes

[modern tree]

CA guns hurt a lot, we just have bad guns

[vague token]

i doubt even with the good ones

you can out dps jintsuu torps

at level 100

and you dont hit backline

unlike jintsuu torps

xD

like, if you take out jintsuu

she'd win dps fights

even with the 203 mounted

just because the crit boosts and reload arent there

but because jintsuu has those

torps are easily superior to gun damage

i can melt any ayanami vanguard without a jintsuu no problem

i did that with minne before port kai

well, theoretically we'd get 110

which would help i think

i meant damage wise

port kai has enough bulk even with the flare

the problem isnt really bulk at this point

it's doing damage

because defense torps meme your backline

and your frontline

and they're aoe

so they often clip 2 ships

for full damage

which is why i have problems putting ships mid atm

like, there's a ton of aoe meta atm

defense amagi barrage

covers full screen

foxes

it's just annoying

makes me miss E meta so i could actually do dps with eldridge

to cover my CA

it's fine, i just have to wait

until my CA bias is rewarded

;)

[real notch]

e meta

i do not miss that

the days when you are 3v1 enemy ent

u go take a piss

[hot creek]

omg I finally got Benson. time to develop the meme strike team

[real notch]

and come back

and you see "annihilated"

[vague token]

honestly, i dont remember that problem

but might be because i swapped to double 410s

and minne/aurora outdpsed all vanguards

muh guns

minne/aurora/X was fun

[real notch]

yea

no but from oct 2018 - late nov 2018

nobody caught on twin 410mm yet

except for recluse, he tried it mid october

thank god for twin 410mms though

that really helped

made it so as long as your ent mirrored enemy ent lucky E casts you would win

[vague token]

yeah

[real notch]

ofc if your ent didn't proc it doesn't really matter

[vague token]

xD

yeah that quick draw meme i never ran into

either i ran up with my vanguard full

or i already lost

lol

[real notch]

the one with the mccree figure saying "it's high noon"?

oh god

[vague token]

yeah

no e duels for me

operation rainbow either makes CA vanguard win

since you dodge 2nd torp

and just outgun

or it doesnt proc and Minne dies to lucky e

and then your mainfleet is sad

[real notch]

i once had a match where it was 2:15 left and it was still 1v1 ent vs ent

[vague token]

ouch

[real notch]

yea when en had FW released

[vague token]

i think the few times i ran into that my e was displaced in take off time

probably because i was using ryuusei

[real notch]

it was the first big divergence EN meta went from JP/CN

[modern tree]

HMS is a blessing

[vague token]

so my fighter suicide won me fights

from auto fighters

xD

[real notch]

and it took people a while to stop worshipping JP servers (which often said eldridge is shit)

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

to EN (where eldridge was actually tier 0 best vanguard ship)

theorycrafting in those days were fun

[vague token]

hood/akaga was pretty balanced

terrible defense but good speedrun on offense

[real notch]

hakaga

the og meta fleet

[vague token]

hakaga is pretty balanced though

and you can handle it with belfast smoke fairly easy

since hood only targets mainfleet with her barrage

instead of amagi's Full Screen Defense only Death Barrage

xD

i hope that gets fixed lol

[real notch]

lol

i wonder how long it will take for people to get dork

there are people who are probably on stage 3 already

nevermind OMEGALUL

[vague token]

reee, i just started event

cause work

[real notch]

someone already has it

HAHAHA

someone already got dork

[vague token]

im probably going to swap hood out for dork because she's great xD

maybe ill swap hiryuu out

do amagi/e/dork

mixed fleet best fleet

[real notch]

isn't the proper fleet now dork qe hood?

[vague token]

i never trained hms besides hood

i think my QE is like

80ish

[real notch]

owo

[vague token]

my hood is 100 purely from hood/phoenix days

but since im not active enough i just run full fleet nowadays

[real notch]

i have a maxed (non married) qe

i kinda wanna test it out

[vague token]

qe needed that retro more than warspite

dont @ me

;)

[real notch]

ya why's it warspite

not that i'm complaining i think any UR HMS ship is good balancing

as long it's not god damn IJN

[vague token]

yes, 8k hp and 440 fp is good balance

kek

[modern tree]

because Warspite is a bigger meme and QE didnt need retroit because she still boasts basically the best skill in the game

I wish I had tomorrow off so I can farm Doy, alas, it was not meant to be

[vague token]

im just not big on stat stick leader skills

like, qe, as queen, would be a perfect candidate for the HMS targeting ability

[real notch]

i'm at work farming anyways

[modern tree]

I cant have my phone with me at work, have to deposit it

[vague token]

oof

[real notch]

wait really

damn

[vague token]

he works in Top Secret stuff i guess xD

[real notch]

i need my phone on my at all times for work

i guess lucky me

[vague token]

lucky eeee jk

im kinda curious if owari da ever gets a retro, would she get a leader skill

or would they give a uss leader to say, iowa class

and then just leave e and ultra selfish

for no reason

[real notch]

if it had some historical significance move that'd be sick

like how enterprise carried all of yorktown's planes after she sunk

[vague token]

yeah

[real notch]

and then bombed the japanese carriers

[vague token]

how about a Use Bird skill xD

[real notch]

how about a skill where

if any other eagle carriers sink

[modern tree]

kai the bird

[vague token]

Bird Retro, the true big brain

[real notch]

you instantly send an added airstrike on top of a standard

so like

[vague token]

oh friend vengeance then?

[real notch]

(3/2/3 + 3/3/2)

[vague token]

that'd be scary with yorktown too though

[real notch]

6/5/5 planes

[vague token]

that's a lot of planes when yorktown goes down

actually that doesnt sound terrible

since they have their history

[real notch]

yea

that'd make enterprise queen of PVP again

[vague token]

would it be a real airstrike like hiryuu's?

is my only question

[real notch]

hmm

yes

should be

just a buffed airstrike i guess

[vague token]

they could boost the unique plane on enterprise too for pvp

like increased efficiency

since it's pretty meh otherwise

[real notch]

establish your dominance and win with 1 hp left

[vague token]

that is a yikes lol

[real notch]

beware the delayed aimed torps

from amagi

[vague token]

too bad bb kaga cant equip oxy

she shoots like 6 torps lol

[real notch]

wait what

you're cyaneko?

the fuk

lol

you completely changed ur name

[vague token]

i wish illustrious had a self durability skill

like taihou xD

then she'd be a nice solo carrier option

instead of just shield gimmick

[real notch]

i just thought you were someone new

the whole time

xd

[vague token]

same

[shy hazel]

sad day

cya changed name

when cyaneko is cuter

[real notch]

agree

[vague token]

quick question, does amagi barrage count as a plunging shot?

im not planning on using victorious

but was wondering

[modern tree]

part of it does

because part of it is projectiles similar to Wash barrage

[vague token]

oh ok

im guessing it's the HE part is plunging?

and the AP is standard?

[modern tree]

Amagi barrage is 4 parts actually, AP bullets, the standard barrage HE arrow, the normal BB like volley that is aimed and torp wave

so the BB volley part is the plunging shot

[vague token]

dear god

no wonder it's bugged lol

there's so many things going on

xD

[vague token]

owo what's this, a debuff ship?

huh, fiji's is much better than tennessee's

pity it triggers at the 20 though

but it is 100% activation

[real notch]

fiji is hot

[vague token]

i mean, that goes without saying xD

actually wow 60% aa buff lol

if only we werent in fox meta id enjoy adding her to my vanguard

debuffffs

[modern tree]

it says 40% in game, I can understand mistranslating words but NUMBERS?

[vague token]

i mean, i dont mind that as much, could just be a typo or w/e

it doesnt change the ultimate skill function

[wise summit]

Any of the new event gacha equips noteworthy for pvp?

[modern tree]

its embarrassing

[real notch]

the torp bomber apparently

[modern tree]

uhh, Sirius and Sheff are okay I guess, I dont think Duke of York is the kind of gacha you were asking about

equips

yes

I am going to bed

[vague token]

xD

night o7

[ionic magnet]

[modern tree]

Glowworm looks like a different Comet, Torch is marginally worse than Barracuda afaik, the gun is meme

Worse than Barracuda as in slower and a lil less health

which are both bad

you basically trade those for superior air to air

might matter in pvp I dont know

[vague token]

i mean, aa doesnt stop cuda torps from murdering you =(

[modern tree]

those are also very weird names for those planes

[vague token]

just suicide damage =/

[shy hazel]

glowworm plane

for ramming

[vague token]

no bombs no gun but 1k hp and high suicide damage jk

i do enjoy stuka for suicide damage, lets me focus more on flagship xD

you get 5 stukas ;)

[odd schooner]

Lmao

But ye

Torp bomber plane is probably 2nd best

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CPRhu/7df22abd8b.png haven't seen Lintence in awhile

he fucked up the sentence structure feelsbadman

[vague token]

oof

that's an... interesting comp

[coral wren]

just finished an exercise with 30 seconds to spare

[odd schooner]

@hot creek not as worse as Super Amagi Tengen Break Giga Break for 1 month

[hot creek]

lol what even

[odd schooner]

[arctic imp]

How TF my pvp rank go DOWN after a win?

I was 130 and now Im 200ish

[coral wren]

ive literally gone up while resetting my game before

[arctic imp]

[coral wren]

7 resets left and rank 340 either everyone on sandy is sat at 10/10 or nobody does pvp anymore

[coral wren]

1003 gets you 8th in sandy

[arctic imp]

whoa

[coral wren]

id be on around 1014 if i took mine now

but id only be second

[arctic imp]

whoa

[coral wren]

trying to sandbag more this time and hopefully get close or even get lucky

its hard on sandy since nobody uses their pvps or they just lose a lot

there literally isnt anyone to sandbag against

people usually dont make it to 2200 on the reset yeah

i dont know how hard it is to get 2200 though

if its close or if you dont have to sandbag a lot

[hot creek]

people on sandy can get to 2200 on gensui day

[coral wren]

3 people got to it last time

[hot creek]

they just have the eat a shitton of +8s and +9s

[split socket]

4*

it's not really that hard

[coral wren]

4 then

[split socket]

most ppl just don't bother

since u don't need to

[coral wren]

i just want it once for my profile then i can give up and just spam attempts whenever

[split socket]

theres so little competition u can get top 10 with 5 missed attacks

[hot creek]

you don't even have to sandbag if you're on sandy

just fight left most and win all your matches

[coral wren]

i think i lost like 3-4 times last time and i was on 2150 on gensui

and that was without sandbagging

just one time then i can sleep normally again

[zenith tundra]

938 with 8/10 and rank 800 for me

barely 10pts over current 1st

[hot creek]

im at 918 pt with 10/10

[lament lichen]

960 8/10

[zenith tundra]

22 pts behind sounds about right with the horrible 1st day i had

[odd schooner]

I'm still 40+ behind

[coral wren]

They should gate the top 10. If u are not 2200 points in the top 10 u dont get gensui. Make the pvp slightly more fun

[zenith tundra]

u need ro have 2200+ pts and be top 10 to get aotn

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

I mean first come first serve. Like only top 10 can get the rank. Anyone else that comes later will not get the rank

So the rank means something instead of a trash wveryone can get just by playing pvp

[zenith tundra]

i think that that is the point. everyone can reach it if they play pvp

[coral wren]

Well true since its a waifu collection game after all. Oh well

I just thought it would be a little bit more exciting to do pvp if it had a little competition

[zenith tundra]

try aiming for top 10 end season

[still kestrel]

way too many timezones for that to not completely screw over some group of people though

[coral wren]

That is also a problem. It dosnt reward u anytjing for being top 10 end season.

[zenith tundra]

its a challenge tho

[coral wren]

Its pointless lul.

If they locked top 10 to only 10 ppl. It will make ppl compete to get into there for the 2500 merit and rank

Atm anyone can put some random ijn ships and get into top 10 while other are sandbagging and get the same reward as the ppl who try to aim for top 10 end season

But that might ruin the casual feeling to this game

So I can totally understand if its bad ifea

Idea

[hot creek]

I'd keep the 2500 merit reward accessable to the masses who reach top 10 after 2200+. Give out a cosmetic or special title to those who end season at top 10.

[coral wren]

Yeah but AL is a casual auto game after all if u think about it. So I doubt they would make it anymore competetive

So sorry for wasting ur times.

[zenith tundra]

like a special rank u get for 1 season after ending top 10?

[hot creek]

yeah that would be dope.

[coral wren]

Instead of showing ppl a Ss of every top 10 end season u gotten in a imgur album. I guess

Its better with a special rank xD

[outer stump]

I just want the exercises to be playable

Not only just watching a movie where 2 bots fight each other

So the competition could've be much interesting and we could've get rid of the exercises limits

Like using the queue up mechanic

[vague token]

auto isnt bad, but it needs programmable movements

or you choose from a set

as part of your fleet strategy

[outer stump]

Bots are usually not the best in playing games

I saw that in a lot of games that I've played

Just terrible

[vague token]

well yeah, but manual vs ai

is even more inbalanced than 20% attack boost lol

[outer stump]

No... Player Vs player

[vague token]

oh xD

[outer stump]

I mean queue up then find an online player of your ranking

[vague token]

game doesnt have the code for that lol

[outer stump]

Then start to battle

[vague token]

that would be a TON of work

[outer stump]

I suppose so

[vague token]

compared to choosable path

xD

or paintable

[outer stump]

But it could've be better tbh

Not only that we just have to auto the battles but the ranking sistem sucks

[still kestrel]

that would just come down to who has better luck on ayakai nuking the opposing vanguard first though

[outer stump]

Just waiting for someone to get to the top then hunting him down

Actually terrible mechanic

Oh and if PvP was added whit enterprise you could've counter foxes second airstrike

But wonder how you aimed shellings whit BBs