pvp

[modern tree]

People just need to play

It's still early in most en timezones that matter

[buoyant parrot]

yeah I need it to go down very quick. Currently I'm at Top 1 again

[modern tree]

I am still playing KMS-ish fleet without being forced to change. I can feel how bad it is, tho. I will probably just end up swapping because I am tired of worrying about it

Not really sure how much KMS is doing compared to 2 ships I put in so they can actually win

[outer stump]

Is a full USS team whit Prince of Wales any good?

[coral wren]

Probably not, lol

[reef umbra]

Hello people.

I have a potentially foolish question about ranking points.

It seems that using refresh actually costs or causes you to gain less ranking points? (by like, a very small amount)

[outer stump]

It's actually based on who you're facing

I mean if you face a low rank opponent you gain less points

If it's higher you get more

[reef umbra]

Aye, but it seems really strange. I've been fighting the leftmost (hence, highest rank) opponent every fight so far, and won all of them. However, at the start of the season I refreshed something like ten times.

https://files.catbox.moe/94wtin.png

So my rank is ever so slightly lower than that of others.

[outer stump]

Because this ranking is actually like an competition

If someone plays after you he may have a chance to get higher

And if you don't have any points to keep your ranking those persons will bring you down

[reef umbra]

It is a strange

[outer stump]

That's what I saw in my experience

I mean... I got someday at five stars admiral and tomorrow I saw me demoted to vice admiral

[reef umbra]

Well, if you weren't around for a reset then yeah some people can rank up past you

[outer stump]

The ranked system may be not the best but that's all we have

[reef umbra]

But if you haven't lost anything, theoretically you should be at the same points as others (more or less)

[knotty parcel]

@reef umbra You need to wait in between each of your fights

[reef umbra]

Wha

[knotty parcel]

let's say you're rank 5000 and the left most is rank 4990

You need to wait till one of the guy gets to rank 2000 for example

then you'll win a lot

[reef umbra]

Are we specifically talking about the start of the season?

[knotty parcel]

Every moment of the season you need to do that

[finite valve]

@reef umbra you gain more point base on the opponent point you are fighting

[knotty parcel]

my sentence sounds wrong

[finite valve]

let say your opponent point is 1k while you is 500

you going to gain more since the point diff is big

[outer stump]

So you mean that don't throw all your points at the same time

[reef umbra]

So even though it doesn't feel like it does anything, if you're rank 1k and your leftmost opponent is rank 7

[knotty parcel]

well whatever just know that the more gap there is between the left guy you fight the more points you win

[finite valve]

if your point is 900 vs a 1k point opponent you not going to gain any bonus point

[reef umbra]

Then you'll get more points from smacking them upside the face

[knotty parcel]

Yeah

[finite valve]

hence if you are rushing you not going to be in the top 1k

[reef umbra]

[finite valve]

since they going to be lurking for point

[knotty parcel]

That's why

You need to tryhard once

just for the icon

then just do it normally

[reef umbra]

The PvP system in this game is dumb

[knotty parcel]

cause it's annoying

y

[finite valve]

never said it wasn't

welcome to AL pvp

[coral wren]

The ultimate sandbag, check opponents every 30 mins

Don’t sleep, don’t eat don’t work

[finite valve]

@reef umbra best way to gain point is to check your opponent rank every 30min or 1h

and never use all your pvp tries

[reef umbra]

I cannot possibly put that much effort into getting a badge. I'll just make it work to some extent and then get into the rank 50s later by immediately spending exercise points post-reset when everyone is asleep

I would've done it last season if I hadn't slipped up and lost two games

[finite valve]

you only use all your pvp tries when you know you can rush to 2200+ and in top 10

then just rush pvp tries and call it a day

but don't ask why you can't gain a certain rank

just saying

[reef umbra]

I'm not asking such a thing

That would be silly.

[finite valve]

you have no idea how many ppl ask how can i get past "a rank"

[reef umbra]

Incidentally, the amount of random invincibility crap in PvP is...well, crap.

[outer stump]

I got only one time fleet admiral then hardstuck to five star admiral

[reef umbra]

Until Warspite Kai comes around, games will be won or lost on whether or not Eldridge activates her ability.

[finite valve]

pretty sure eldridge atm don't have time to proc her skill

let alone wait till WS kai

[reef umbra]

That is true

[finite valve]

LMFAO

[reef umbra]

Most of the time my foxes massacre everything

So

The only thing that causes me minor issues occasionally is Washington/SoDak fleets, and other fox fleets, sometimes.

But that's mostly RNG backline damage screwing me over.

[outer stump]

Pick up Juneau for good sustain and a Ryuusei to bring SD passive down faster and you win

I mean that's my setup and I almost have no problems

[reef umbra]

https://files.catbox.moe/l507ie.png

I just boop people and they die

I do wonder what I'm missing to hit that 13k power backline fleet.

[finite valve]

i use aurora instead of ayaya

better result

ayaya too RNG for my taste

[outer stump]

Why akagi in The middle?

[reef umbra]

Because Kaga has the Ryuusei

Which means she's more valuable if the enemy backline lives for any length of time

[outer stump]

Yeah but... You should put Amagi in the middle because of the best barrage experience

You lose like 40% of her barrage when you put her at top/bottom

[reef umbra]

Yeah but all her effects are only active while she's not dead

Most of the barrage and targeted torps etc hit the middle first

[outer stump]

Better let her tank the damage than lose the aviation boost

[reef umbra]

Mayhaps

I will try it

If anyone cares I can share the ship loadouts.

[finite valve]

not a problem if your front already kill their

which is about 99% of the time

[zenith tundra]

u cannot hit 13k with amakaga unless u use subpar equip

[finite valve]

2 gold cata and btd

lel

gold 410 on amagi

[outer stump]

I think Amagi only needs to boost early foxes strike and then the foxes will do the rest

[reef umbra]

Is it worth having Drop Tanks to boost the HP of planes over having another gold catapult

[zenith tundra]

amagi is a good anti foxes in mirror because she attacks before them

[outer stump]

I like 2 catapults now idk

More aviation means more damage to enemies

[reef umbra]

https://files.catbox.moe/sq6fpq.png
Also Akagi has the gold anti-air fighters. I've been debating for a while if I want to replace them with one that has bombs.

[zenith tundra]

aviation affects bombing damage while plane hp affects touchdown dmg against main fleet

[finite valve]

lol swap that figther out ASAP

foxes main point is to finish fight early not to clear enemies planes

[reef umbra]

https://files.catbox.moe/kiz8s4.png

k, so I'll give her this

[finite valve]

give that to kaga

[reef umbra]

So what, give Akagi the Reppu?

[finite valve]

oh wait yeh she use that

nah sorr kaga use reppu and akagi the f4u

[reef umbra]

https://files.catbox.moe/jiyvbz.png

[zenith tundra]

vf-17 is strongest fighter in the game so use it on akagi because of better efficiency

[lofty smelt]

Several people are typing...

[outer stump]

Kaga has only 110% efficiency on fighters... I think you should give the pirate to akagi

[reef umbra]

Pirate?

[finite valve]

the f4u

[outer stump]

F4U

[reef umbra]

Ah.

[outer stump]

Now you say that Hellcat or Reppu on Kaga?

[finite valve]

also ppl said that it is better to use banana for pvp

[outer stump]

[reef umbra]

I put pictures of both in chat.

[finite valve]

repuu for kaga and f4u for akagi

[zenith tundra]

reppu is good for high flight speed in pvp

[reef umbra]

https://files.catbox.moe/umil79.png
https://files.catbox.moe/jiyvbz.png

[outer stump]

Oh thanks

[reef umbra]

Drop Tanks > Second Gold Catapult?

[finite valve]

yeh due to kamikaze damage i think

[outer stump]

I use double catapult and it's actually pretty nice

[zenith tundra]

higher hp=less chances ur planes are shoot down + higher dmg when they reach the end of the screen to enemy main fleet

[reef umbra]

I don't think there's necessarily a right or wrong choice on the Drop Tank vs Catapult here

[finite valve]

well main point of the foxes is to deal with the front line anyway

if your front kill their you already won

[outer stump]

I don't think you need that much the drop tank since the AA guns only damages the fighters

In the most case scenario

Because they get first in that swarm and the rest pases pretty easly

[reef umbra]

Amagi has the standard battleship crap.
https://files.catbox.moe/fr3nd6.png

[outer stump]

If you have 4 ijn pick an fcr

Pretty useless reloader since you get 45% reduced main gun salvo

[finite valve]

@reef umbra use 406 and swap out loader for SG radar

[reef umbra]

k

Wait

SG radar?

[outer stump]

I don't like sg radar but it's an option

For the Hit and Evasion

[zenith tundra]

amagi hit rating is bad she needs all the hit u can put on her

[outer stump]

But honestly if you don't get evasion at least +100 it's pretty useless to me

[finite valve]

you want the acc on her not eva

[outer stump]

The shellings will give the best hit soon so

[reef umbra]

Couldn't you just use a Fire Control Radar then

[finite valve]

FCR give less acc lel

[zenith tundra]

maxing a fcr is useless because shells are better and u wont ever use them with shells around

[outer stump]

@reef umbra just wait for the shells to appear in the Core Data shop then max one and put on Amagi... I think the white one is the best for her

[finite valve]

or use white + black shell

only if your BB got high acc

[outer stump]

I would use HSFCR white shell

[zenith tundra]

again amagi hit rating is bad use hit on her

[outer stump]

Or double shelling cuz she got pretty nice reload

[reef umbra]

Alright, other ship loadouts, while we're busy critiquing and improving everything anyways

[outer stump]

But why the hit stat is not shown... :?

[finite valve]

i am not really sell on more reload on amagi

[reef umbra]

https://files.catbox.moe/ypcrjs.png

[finite valve]

most of my fight ended on the 2 fox strike

[modern tree]

if you are still wondering, Drop Tanks are really good and they cost less plates to upgrade, the price is that they are inferior damage item for pve, but at the very most you will ever need 3 so that's whatever

[finite valve]

the faster 1s of amagi shelling not really justify for me

[reef umbra]

Before you ask, I don't have enough quint magtorps

[finite valve]

you use quad mag for pvp lol

quint is inferior

[reef umbra]

Fair enough

https://files.catbox.moe/axqgcw.png

[outer stump]

And if you use ayaya put that Torp on her...

[finite valve]

quint rainbow is event only

[outer stump]

I mean the oxy torp

[finite valve]

so that the only you will get

[modern tree]

until the inevitable rerun

give u47

[finite valve]

roll the rerun event for 1 fucking new ship

seem fair

not to mention with all the fucking rate up of the other ship

gg

[modern tree]

That's going to be every event past WC now

[zenith tundra]

quint vs quad goes like this. quad has faster reload and that is usually more useful since u can lose vg ships before they can shoot, quint has a stronger opening that makes rng a bit less of a thing.

[reef umbra]

https://files.catbox.moe/e2p8qw.png

[finite valve]

only u47 got that problem

the other event at least got around 2+

chess board got exactly 1

lol

for EN at least

[modern tree]

They outrught said we are not getting any more reruns until we catch up so

every rerun is just going to be for one or two extra boats

[finite valve]

still does not mean chess board going to be brutal af

[zenith tundra]

yeah that pisses me off since it most likely means no new ships till vdyr rerun almost

[reef umbra]

I just got Aurora today, so it'll be at least a week before she's in a position to PvP at all

[finite valve]

like i said at least those got 2+

chess board got 1 for EN

due to sub not being introduce yet

[zenith tundra]

@reef umbra put bulge on jintsuu instead of sg

she needs hp and anti torp is too good now

[reef umbra]

You mean Jintsuu?

[finite valve]

you know what is funny?

[zenith tundra]

yes jintsuu my bad

[finite valve]

my jintsuu always die first

and she is in the fucking middle

[reef umbra]

🤔

[finite valve]

be it with or w/o the buldge

[reef umbra]

notices ship bulge

[finite valve]

so i said fuck it and get tool box + dildo on her

[outer stump]

I put her in the back and she looks fine

Sometimes

[reef umbra]

owo

:^)

[outer stump]

But I use luch box and buldge

*pearl

[finite valve]

i did try that combo

and you know what?

still die

[outer stump]

Instead of buldge

[reef umbra]

Also, that fucking pun from Shouhou earlier

[finite valve]

meanwhile my aurora at top lives everytime

[reef umbra]

"Don't drink too much or you might end up getting shipfaced"

[outer stump]

I forgot I've swaped my team

[modern tree]

Jintsuu health is none

[outer stump]

Still she got 20% damage reduction

[finite valve]

don't aurora HP lower then jintsuu?

[modern tree]

20% of 0 is still 0

[reef umbra]

Buldge (owo) also reduces damage from torp bombers, yes?

[modern tree]

nope

[reef umbra]

Wooow

[finite valve]

2k5 vs 2k6

[outer stump]

It should ..

[finite valve]

100 point diff

[modern tree]

only AA stat reduces plane based damage

[reef umbra]

This game is stupid

[modern tree]

plane types dont matter

[outer stump]

Yeah and torps deals 120% to heavy armour

[reef umbra]

pvp is stupid and broken

But we all know this

[outer stump]

It applies to all type of Torps I suppose

[reef umbra]

I wonder if they're ever going to re-balance or re-do the pvp system so it isn't
https://files.catbox.moe/x5oe95.jpg

[modern tree]

pvp is in every definition of this word a side activity and getting tight over it is very funny to me, in a sadistic way. Enjoy it for what it is

[finite valve]

don't hold your hope up

since they are busy with UI 2.0

not going to happen anytime soon

[reef umbra]

The only reason I get slightly tilted about it is because I just want to get my badge

Then I can stop giving the tiniest of fucks

[outer stump]

I still hope that torps will become trash someday

[finite valve]

which you never going to get if you don't lurk

[outer stump]

And there will be an mgb meta

[modern tree]

what server

[reef umbra]

It's fine I'll get it soon

[outer stump]

Just my thoughts

[reef umbra]

mgb?

[outer stump]

Main gun based

[finite valve]

main gun mount not base

but close enough lel

[zenith tundra]

what server are u on? @reef umbra

[reef umbra]

NA

[finite valve]

no

[reef umbra]

Oh

Right

Eh

[finite valve]

like avrora or lex or sandy

[reef umbra]

Give me a second

[finite valve]

lol

when you don't even know what server you on

gg

[reef umbra]

shrug

[modern tree]

with that gear I expect Sandy or higher

[outer stump]

Like no wonder... AL staff releases a lot of powerful ships... No wonder if they will release a ship to imunity to tops

[reef umbra]

I've been playing since closed beta, so

Avrora

[finite valve]

avrora?

[modern tree]

rip

[zenith tundra]

ok good luck with pvp

[finite valve]

gl trying to get top 10 w/o lurking

[modern tree]

at least camping for points should be easy for you, since the server is active

[reef umbra]

Honestly it's still piss easy

I don't need top 10

[modern tree]

getting the badge tho, might take some work

[reef umbra]

5-Star is top 50

[outer stump]

Um why you all say that?

[finite valve]

cus this server is competitive af

lurker all the way

[outer stump]

You mean... Tryharders?

[finite valve]

by the end of season you going to ask how da fuck he got 2 whole days of pvp ahead of me

lel

[modern tree]

we all say thet because comperatively Avrora is tough. It doesnt mean it's impossible or w/e, it just means you are not on Sandy where you get aotn by just playing till 5/10 on second to last day

[finite valve]

anyone in sandy atm?

[outer stump]

Me

[finite valve]

you can just compare rank 1 of avrora with sandy

SS rank 1 pvp

doubt the diff is much this early in the season

[reef umbra]

pvp on Avrora is suffering

[finite valve]

but worth a try lel

[modern tree]

Sandy is likely about 15 points behind by now just because Sandy sleeps

[outer stump]

But like who the hell I'm supposed to see the rank one? I mean I can see the rank one for my ranking only

[finite valve]

this is rank 1 for avrora

what about sandy?

[modern tree]

interesting

[finite valve]

oh

yeh early rank not going to cut it

[outer stump]

About this?

[finite valve]

need to wait till 1 week past

well that just show how much lurker there are in avrora

[modern tree]

man, I need to come here more often because I had no clue you are Aatrox, I camp your ass so often its not even funny

[outer stump]

Huh?

[reef umbra]

[finite valve]

@outer stump just mean that he lurk and wait for you to rank up to fight you so he gain more point

[outer stump]

Why the hell you wanna do that

[modern tree]

you are one of the names I vividly remember to be competitive so I clench my fist and whisper "gotem" whenever I catch you in my lobby

[finite valve]

kind of like T bagging lol

[outer stump]

Lmao

I just play randomly

When I get 10 points I just put all in

[reef umbra]

I want to post a silly pseudo-meme but I can't because I'll get bonked, probably. Life is sad, and so is pvp.

[finite valve]

@modern tree hey bro say thanks you to @outer stump right here lol
it is thanks to him that you can gain easy point

[modern tree]

it's true, him and about 200 other names I remember

[reef umbra]

You remember a lot of names

[finite valve]

life of a try hard lel

[modern tree]

I am cursed with an ability to do so, yes

[outer stump]

I mean he gets easy points

Idk about me

@modern tree did my fleet made you any trouble? If you saw me full BB team you got free win I suppose

[modern tree]

every fleet gives me trouble atm because I am in the weird limbo of trying dumb shit

do not play this

it's really bad

[outer stump]

Honestly mine is at higher winrate atm whit amakaga

So I think it should be pretty hard to get tought it

But not impossible at least

@modern tree dude just put a normal defense and play that fleet in offensive

But honestly I would like to face a fleet like that

It could be a challenge

But it's rarely seen

[modern tree]

I have wasd geared to sub for KMS meme just to win if I get omega walled, but it has not happened yet, and this fleet is not THAT bad, it just has bad case of "loses to aurora and plane launches are staggered so you get hit by AA twice"

if I could time Zep to go with Enteprise and Aurora didnt exist to kill my zs, this fleet would be COMPETENT, still not good

I might try something dumb to delay Enterprise, like Ryuusei

[outer stump]

That fleet is still maxing at me atm

I need Z46 and Z23 for test

I always use Ryuusei on enterprise

I mean the damage output is so strong

[modern tree]

z23 is trash, gun damage focus just doesnt work unless you are CA

[outer stump]

Vs SD I can bring her passive down pretty easily

Oh

[vague token]

they'd have to boost hp more for DD gun damage to work

[modern tree]

I run z1 and z46 with Jintsuu specifcally because having 2 boats with over 400 torps buffed by Jintsuu makes them "fine"

[vague token]

so dps matters more than burst

[outer stump]

I just want an KMS fleet and I want to try an Z fleet

[vague token]

like PVE tiers of hit points

where a destroyer has like 10k

lol

[modern tree]

This is basically the best I could come up with before I have CAs ready for testing. Skills take so long to max

[outer stump]

Honestly CAs won't survive so long

[vague token]

at least port kai is functionally skill less

retro and you're mostly done!

xD

[outer stump]

And if you're about to bring Deutchland or Spee just don't ....

[vague token]

dont you love stat sticks?

[outer stump]

18 Eva lvl 100.....

[split socket]

why use z46 tho

feels like a waste of Z1s buff

[modern tree]

because Z46 is the only good pvp boat in Z series

over 410 torps, high AA stat and efficency, good barrage that has torps, high gun efficency and self buff that is guaranteed to trigger

the only downsides are low evasion that is fixed by z1 and low torp efficency which is always gonna drag her down

[split socket]

non of them are good in pvp lol, but I feel like Z1 and Z46 is a waste cause of her low fp

z23 have ~100 torp lower but at least she can fully utilize z1s buffs

[outer stump]

He is just testing... Anyone knows that Jintsuu, Aurora are the best

[split socket]

I know that lol

[outer stump]

Only Ayaya as DD

[modern tree]

I just didnt like z23 because both her barrages are borderline useless and gun damage dont matter that much, but maybe I have dismissed her too early? She still has like 300 HP base less and half of z46 AA efficency

[outer stump]

z23 has decent FP tho

[modern tree]

I can run it, its not like I dont have her

[outer stump]

And the only DD that can gain some shielding for the others Z

[split socket]

gun dmg usually don't amount to much but I think it might still be worth a shot? Z23 have pretty high gun efficiency iirc

[outer stump]

You already streamed about that

[split socket]

or maybe go full Z meme, Z1 Z46 Z23 xD

[modern tree]

I did, but I was not using Jintsuu or putting that much effort into making it work

3 Zs is just pointless

you die to first Aurora you meet

and Jintsuu buff is too good

[outer stump]

I want to go Z fleet

And if I face aurora I will make the guy regret that he built her

Seriously I can envy Aurora so badly

It's only 20% but it's actually a lot

[split socket]

cause evasion is just too op, anything that affects it automatically becomes T1 sorta xD

[modern tree]

man, 75%, 85% and 90% on KMS AA

seems good

I bet planes wont be a problem

[split socket]

ripperino

[modern tree]

I am almost considering Messershmidt just to have any AA

[split socket]

mgiht have had a chance during wasd meta maybe

[outer stump]

@modern tree you aren't in top 100 or you just aren't in my rank

[split socket]

any player worth their salt or aren't dead tired won't be top 100 atm lol

[modern tree]

I am at 2438 as of the moment

I have no reason to even be top 1k until commodore

[outer stump]

Wtf

[split socket]

being top 100 means u gain less points in the long run

stupid ass system but thats how it is

[modern tree]

I am a veteran tryhard, you will never see me in top 1k until like a week passes

[outer stump]

Oh

I just begin to store that ranking bar

[split socket]

might just be me not paying attention but I haven't seen u on top 10 either

[outer stump]

Then I will just jump rank to rank in each 3 exercises

[split socket]

[modern tree]

I have been top 16 last season with 5 games down

at the end

so like, yeah, I missed top 10

[outer stump]

Did you got fleet admiral?

[modern tree]

of course

[split socket]

sandy ez server haha

[outer stump]

I just remained hardstuck five stars

But idk why

The game just didn't wanted to rank me up

I was like: common I just need one more game

[split socket]

rather frustrating around the last few days though, cause it's hard to even get +11 at 10/10

[outer stump]

Then: nope 0 points

[modern tree]

once you get to 2605 points at the end of season once, you are stuck tryharding till the end of days, out of habit

[split socket]

I wonder if it's even possible to get that high anymore, with everyone left sandbagging or quit

[outer stump]

But I never asked... How is the best way to play the exercises to get to the top?

I just want that 2500 merit reward... Nothing more

[split socket]

pick opponents that got a lot higher pts / rank than u. Idk what the pts threshold are at start but once u start getting +10 pts per win, u need to fight opponents that have at least 35pts more than u

[modern tree]

its a very lenghty explanation on how to farm points at different parts of the season, but the gist of it is, dont play your exercises unless your leftmost guy is much higher rank than you or you are running out of time before reset

[split socket]

then u can get +11 and sometimes even +12 for winning

[modern tree]

just doing that should carry you to top 50 on sandy easy

evetrything else is tricks of the trade and experience that I am too lazy to explain

[split socket]

u should even be able to get top 10 if u do it properly and miss 5 attacks

so if u never miss an attack and sandbag every reset, u'll easily hit top 10

[outer stump]

Sometimes my game just doesn't refresh and it's like I face an five star admiral whike I demote to real admiral

[modern tree]

hitting gensui on sandy even when you are behind is just the matter of playing quick on the second reset, after it was possible, thats it

because many people will go for that one with shit points, so you will end up hitting it with like 2-3 attempts to spare

or at least thats my experience with 5 fights down

I am however rather proficent at getting points

[outer stump]

Why I wonder that one will be me because always go first in exercises?

But what if i trow all my exercises on the last moment of reset?

Will I get higher?

Or I will climb hard?

[modern tree]

I actually dont get the "dont sandbag" mentality. All you really have to do to hoard points is play the games directly before reset instead of directly after reset. You are shifting your play time by 30 minutes for a huge gain

[split socket]

some ppl don't like to relogin every hour or they tend to forget and miss their pvp attempts instead

[dull hollow]

My madness knows no limits

[split socket]

missing pvp cause sandbagging too hard is just dumb lol

[leaden sequoia]

I tend to calculate in my head how much I will gain from doing all attempts, including potential bonuses and how much I will lose if bonuses don't justify the point loss between ranks, then compare the resulting number with top-1

[modern tree]

i-its evolving

[split socket]

but it's part of the experience I suppose

😄

[dull hollow]

Haven't bumped into hms warspite yet but

Nagaka and namagi are getting steamrolled

[split socket]

if u sandbag well, u should almost always be +20-30 pts ahead of top 1

[outer stump]

Only me felt for the reset of the season that I left 5 exercises and they didn't stored?

I mean they reset completely

[leaden sequoia]

I mean, leaving players from the previous season with leftover attempts is unfair, gotta level the playing field

[split socket]

@dull hollow do u have nagato? I am wondering how WS kai + nagato + hiryuu does

or ws kai + nagato + amagi

[dull hollow]

namagi warspite is strong

but

the 2 CV pairings have been the strongest

surprisingly

[split socket]

😮

[modern tree]

I am totally not surprised

[dull hollow]

i doubt nagato + hiryuu does something super interesting but i will give it a try later

still need to test essexE and FW

but i think both of those will be bad

[outer stump]

So... Should I do my exercises last?

[modern tree]

Essex E with Warspite

[split socket]

u should do ur exercises whenever ur opponent has ranked up

for instance, ur at rank 2k with 10/10 attempts

[dull hollow]

dual bunnies is awkward to run

[split socket]

if u see ur left most opponent has rank 4

[outer stump]

Like every hour?

[dull hollow]

because

the 818 slow comes later

[split socket]

do pvp immediately

[dull hollow]

and uh

souryuu torp bomber slots

are kinda ass

[split socket]

every hour helps, but not necessary

[outer stump]

Oh I see

[split socket]

it's all rng cause u don't know when the other players will play

[outer stump]

Thanks

[split socket]

the more time u check, the higher the chance someone has done their pvp and u can go on and get a new list

[outer stump]

But when I will face opponent's higher than my current rank?

When my points bar is full?

From rank I mean... The type of rank

Sometimes I face five stars admirals when I'm vice admiral

Oh

That's just too crazy

[dull hollow]

eventually you realize pvp points are useless

and your sleep and naps is worth more than trying to game this system

and you fight people for fun

to test your mettle

instead of fighting the leftmost guy

[outer stump]

Well you have a point but I want that 2500 free merit

[dull hollow]

if you want to top 10 to prove that u can do it go for it but i wouldnt bother ranking

[outer stump]

[dull hollow]

2500 free

free for what

i have 400k pvp points

most ppl i know have more

[outer stump]

You never know when you will need them

I still have some SR's to mlb

[modern tree]

there comes a point whrte your collection is so stacked that none of the merit rewards are worth anything

EN aint at this point yet

although, I have not exchanged for a purin in a long time, just bulins

[coral wren]

how do you have 400k merits unless youre on jp/cn

[zenith tundra]

i'm sitting on 10 sr ship not mlb

[outer stump]

[coral wren]

in which case jp/cn accounts literally dont count in this en server

[zenith tundra]

if u never used them u can stack pts for no reason lol

[outer stump]

@modern tree does merit gives anything else in CN/JP?

[modern tree]

Kiroshima has like 100k atm

[split socket]

@modern tree it'll always be worth something if u aim for top 1 on fleet power as well

[coral wren]

you can buy cubes with merits

[split socket]

heavily reliant on bulins purins and t4 boxes

[outer stump]

[coral wren]

but then again in cn/jp youre probably sat on a lot of cubes

[modern tree]

fleet power is literally a wallet size contest tho

[zenith tundra]

the cubes are way to rare in the shop

[outer stump]

Kiroshima is merit only?

[modern tree]

you can buy 2000 dock slots and fill them all with garbage for fleet power

you win

nice

[split socket]

not really

but close

[coral wren]

you can buy gold purins and exchange them for medals

[split socket]

as same ships don't contribute to fleet power, only different LB

[finite valve]

correct me if iam wrong but fleet power = put all the gold +10 gear on all your boat correct?

[coral wren]

for which you can buy gold blueprints

[split socket]

and u still need to lvl up ur ships to max and relevel new ones for all the different lb

so it's both grindy and expensive

[modern tree]

I know that different lb ships count, and also something about eq, it doesnt change the fact that you can just level your commons and uncommons through commisions, have them at different lb, and keep all of that in your 2k dock slots, and you win

its a wallet waving contest

[split socket]

u think other ppl aren't doing that?

u don't get nr 1 just by lvling random ships

also having 2k dock slots is entirely pointless if u don't lvl ships up

[outer stump]

O just idc that much about fleet ranking, only for military a little

[zenith tundra]

so if i have a mlb cassin a 2lb cassin a 1lb cassin and a 0lb cassin they all count?

[split socket]

all ranking are worthless

[finite valve]

so fleet power is just basically having shit ton of dock slot and lvling all sort of crap?

nice

[split socket]

yep

[zenith tundra]

wtf is that system for... buying dock space?

[split socket]

u also need to lvl up shitton of crap equipments

[modern tree]

anything that requires you to buy anything for gems to "compete" is never really going to be a true competition

[split socket]

true competition lel

[outer stump]

I wonder when we will get +50 free space for docks

[split socket]

u can oath ur ships to do better in pvp

[modern tree]

see me in top 50 of every pvp season, every ex mode, every event leaderboard and collection rating, miss me with the fleet power shit

[outer stump]

I mean it's too small and 300 diamonds for 10 slots not worth

[zenith tundra]

if everyone oaths their ships in pvp is a fair competition lol

[finite valve]

i oath a ship either cus i like them or that they good in BOTH pvp and pve

[outer stump]

@modern tree you're tryharding that badly on everything?

[finite valve]

i never oath pvp ship

useless

[modern tree]

I chose things I care about rather poorly

[split socket]

I get top 10 every pvp season, top 3 every ex mode, get crapped on event leaderboard after 1st week, and top 10 on collection

[outer stump]

I mean being top in event points it's just worthless... Wasting money/oil for nothing

[split socket]

also top 10 on fleet power

ur point?

[modern tree]

I hope you enjoy your 1k dock space

[outer stump]

Me too

[split socket]

I have 340 dock space 😉

[outer stump]

I still have 150

[split socket]

it's not just wallet waving contest, just because u don't know, dont go around assuming

[finite valve]

@outer stump that's where you wrong lol since event sometimes have the best loot drop that you will never find in normal map like gold cata and mag torp

[hot creek]

sometimes being top in event points is just a side effect of farming weapon blueprints while being unlucky

[finite valve]

also just cus ppl can get to top 10 event does not mean they are wasting oil

since some are not that lucky from farming for ship drop

which they do mind you

still remember ppl complaining not getting akatsuki

a rare mind you

not even a SR

[outer stump]

Still the blueprints drops are like hell

[finite valve]

tell that to the many ppl who did not get sharky

[outer stump]

But well you have a point

But what about exes.... It is worth to have mindblow because of seeing your ships melting?

[finite valve]

pvp?

[split socket]

I do ex stage cause it's about the only mode where u get to play the game (kinda)

[finite valve]

or ex mode?

[outer stump]

Ex mode

[split socket]

also it's similar to touhou 😄

so it's just fun when u figure out the patterns

[hot creek]

ex is about the challenge.

[finite valve]

ex mode is just to show who got the better brain or RNG

and i doubt many ppl actually care about ex mode

other then brag about it

if only AL got that precise control

minus precise control of touhou

[modern tree]

just play on emulator

[zenith tundra]

i clear ex once then try to get 3* for a bit and then forget about it

[split socket]

with emulator u can haha

hard on phone but doable

[outer stump]

But how you can win in ex...? I mean I win sometimes but I don't understand the pointing

[hot creek]

the only place where shoukek and zuikek are useful

[finite valve]

well on WC you will need to do Ex mode

for the trophy

[split socket]

u need to understand the patterns and dodge accordignly

[modern tree]

speed and low ship count

is the points

[outer stump]

Like 3:1?

[split socket]

usually 1 vanguard (helena) and 3 ships backline

yep

[finite valve]

yeh 3:1

[outer stump]

But Helena is melting so bad

[finite valve]

since having more then 3 front = you fuck

hit box too big lel

[outer stump]

Or I just don't understand the rule

[split socket]

any vg will melt if u don't dodge

[modern tree]

dodge doesnt work on ex so you gotta dodge

[split socket]

that sentence

[modern tree]

[finite valve]

or you just have the biggest hp pool in the entire cast

like say pudding

[split socket]

u can have the biggest hp pool and melt in 2 secs xD

[outer stump]

I mean there's a rule every EX right?

Of the ship attacks

[modern tree]

people who use Eugen will never clear the EX fast enough, just dodge

[finite valve]

well anyway you guys better up your game

since WC ex mode is needed for the trophy

just normal boss fight tho

so there's that

[outer stump]

What is the comp this time?

[finite valve]

dk atm

but for front i am plaining to go wichita helena and eldrige

[split socket]

they shouldn't calll those ex stage imo

[finite valve]

or port land kai

dk what to choose

[split socket]

I got confused as hell when they released ex stage for nep collab

[outer stump]

I want to try Helena only

[leaden sequoia]

EX in FW was like EX in CE which didn't have a trophy, so boss-only?

[modern tree]

boss rush is meh EX, especially because we will have Dork

[outer stump]

But it should be hard

[modern tree]

I like the dodging thing

[outer stump]

This time are we allowed 2 CV?

[finite valve]

you still need 5 days to max her skill

[modern tree]

maxing a skill is like 3.5 days and I can level her up to 100 in that time

[outer stump]

I have her skill and her lvl maxed but her hp is pretty bad tbh

[zenith tundra]

u don't get doy anytime soon unless ur a rng god

[leaden sequoia]

How maxing a skill can work in 3.5 days?

[outer stump]

Excuse me what rng means?

[finite valve]

eh that is a fucking lie and you know it

maxing a skill in 3.5 days?

[split socket]

shes available on 2nd phase though

so it's not too hard to grind for

[finite valve]

eh you need 15 t3 to max a skill

15*8 = 120h

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Events/Winter's_Crown_Rerun

[finite valve]

so 5 days

[zenith tundra]

phase 3

[leaden sequoia]

RNG = random number generator

[zenith tundra]

not 2

[finite valve]

no fucking way you can max it in 3 days

[split socket]

oh snap, sry, looked at wc non rerun wiki haha

[leaden sequoia]

but in AL just used as an explanation when your luck is good/shit

[split socket]

^ every game ever 😄

[outer stump]

Oh I see

[zenith tundra]

except games where u can manipulate rngs

[hot creek]

Maybe he's using the word Max loosely. in 3.5 days you can get it to useable levels, like lvl 9 maybe idk

[finite valve]

yeh sure but not max

[modern tree]

3.5 days is lvl 9, excuse me, dont think it will be needing this 1%

[finite valve]

but then by that time i already have clear it using normal ship

ex mode this time is just normal boss fight

no reason to max duke and clear it

[zenith tundra]

is it like nep event ex?

[finite valve]

yep

[zenith tundra]

eww

[finite valve]

@zenith tundra https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5csq-__EUqg

not rerun but i doubt they going to change it

lel

[split socket]

that bg looks so nice

[finite valve]

https://youtu.be/0i5lhKzmjS4?t=49

[modern tree]

hood on flank triggers me

[finite valve]

nah this is even better

ex mode using 3 ship

LMFAO

3 weeks ago

[leaden sequoia]

I thought EX in Neps was a full map with mobs and boss

EX in WC is boss-only iiuc

[outer stump]

Why this ex isn't boss only?

[finite valve]

the first link is normal WC

2 link is rerun

so i have 0 idea which version will EN go

[zenith tundra]

rerun

[finite valve]

since if ex boss only we not going to get the trophy

[outer stump]

Will I oneshot the boss whit ayaya and jintsuu?

[split socket]

maybe both

[leaden sequoia]

trophy is also for EX boss only, according to wiki

[outer stump]

Someone did that actually

[finite valve]

tbh this boss for ex mode is easy

[coral wren]

just one shot it with takao who needs 2 ships

[finite valve]

since her skill is just a laser

not bullet hell

so just use eldrige and nuke her down

[zenith tundra]

that aya hits for 20k wtf

[leaden sequoia]

Aya + oxytorp, I guess

or 2x oxytorp?

[zenith tundra]

2x most likely

plus level 120 and nagato buff

[outer stump]

Will that be possible in EN?

[finite valve]

nope

you missing 100 torp stack

and nagato buff

[outer stump]

200*

[finite valve]

so you miss the 1 dildo?

rip

[outer stump]

I didn't had money for that oxy Torp at that time

I was at the begging

And didn't touched hard mode

[finite valve]

well just spam core data for dildo then zzz

[outer stump]

They actually destroyed me

[finite valve]

also another side note spam 381mm before they are gone

if you didn't know already

[outer stump]

Yeah but whit 48 per day is meh...

[finite valve]

[outer stump]

And I need 3000 for 2

[zenith tundra]

381 are easy to get now but when they go to research it's way harder

[split socket]

how does research work? owo

[zenith tundra]

should always get 381 when available

[outer stump]

Research?

What is that?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Research

[outer stump]

Oh... The PR ships

[split socket]

I've read it, just don't understand how it relates to the equipments

[zenith tundra]

u can get equipment bps with the quests there

and it takes 25bps for 1 equip

[finite valve]

@split socket PR quest sometimes going to give you a quest that reward gear bp

[split socket]

are the quests available random?

like for everyone / or on server basis

[finite valve]

and before you ask no the pool is so fucking big so if you are aiming for a specific gear don't bother

[split socket]

ouch

[finite valve]

not to mention PR exclusive gear need 25bp instead of 15

whether the Q is random per person or per server that part i dk

go and ask ppl who play in JP CN

[split socket]

[outer stump]

Are PR ships the best?

[finite valve]

about 4 out of 6 of them

in ranking it is around monarch > roon = louis > nep > ibuki > izumo

[outer stump]

Oh

[leaden sequoia]

Does 0 luck for all of them impede their efficiency?

[outer stump]

What luck?

[leaden sequoia]

Luck hidden stat

[zenith tundra]

pr ships have 0 luck

[outer stump]

But what is luck?

Am I missing something?

[leaden sequoia]

Luck increases crit, hit and dodge rate

[zenith tundra]

?luck

[hidden wyvern]

The luck stat is a hidden stat that affects hit rate and dodge rate. The calculation for this formula is described here.

You can see a list of ship's luck and hit stats (normally hidden in game) here

[outer stump]

It increases all of those stats?

[zenith tundra]

it seems it doesn't affect crit

[outer stump]

I thought it was crit only

[zenith tundra]

just hit and dodge

[leaden sequoia]

Crit formula includes luck, so it does affect?

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Combat#Critical_Hits

[zenith tundra]

i think it was a mistake and the formula is wrong

[leaden sequoia]

🤔

The formula was added on 27th September 2018: https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Combat&diff=prev&oldid=45290

[outer stump]

I don't understand anything of the formula

It is talking about roon's luck or something like that

[finite valve]

that's only for ppl who like to min max or like math

[outer stump]

I'm just to lazy right now to think about math

I'm so exhausted nowadays

[finite valve]

<hate math but main accounting

[leaden sequoia]

Basically, pick an enemy ship then substitute variables in the formula with your and enemy ship's stats

[finite valve]

lel

[outer stump]

And crit isn't 200% damage?

[leaden sequoia]

The wiki says 150%, haven't heard about 200% 🤔

[outer stump]

Well I say that from my experience whit other games

It's usually double damage

But in this game is only 150%

Never expected that

[leaden sequoia]

Ah, yeah, that's true for a lot of games

AL devs wanted to use lower modifier as this is a long-running game, I guess?

So that the damage wouldn't inflate that quickly with buffs over time

[outer stump]

Maybe because if it was 200% the shellings could've deletr everyone I suppose

[finite valve]

gl doing that with bullet sponge

[outer stump]

What is that?

[finite valve]

if anything game devs have taught me is that player do insane damage = enemies become bullet sponge

just mean that the HP pool of enemies get scale to insane lvl base on how much dps you have

[outer stump]

Oh I see

[finite valve]

lame man term is you need 2 full clip of 30 bullet to kill a target

instead of using like say 10 or 15 bullet

[outer stump]

That's why I run lvl 100 ships and enty cannot oneshot an 76 lvl ship

Or like Tirpitz only get x10 of x30 whit full bullets

[finite valve]

[outer stump]

Actually got rank one now hunt me down

[real notch]

are you avrora

[finite valve]

sandy

so no free point for you

[real notch]

[coral wren]

tfw opponent never uses their exercises

why is sandy so bad for pvp

[leaden sequoia]

or people are just sleeping

[coral wren]

im rank like 250

with 5 exercises left

rank 376

everytime a pvp season ends 10% of total sandy server quits

[shell helm]

why is that ?

[leaden sequoia]

quit from PvP or the game in general?

[coral wren]

probably both

id like to know server populations

sandy is full of a lot of new people too

who just cant do pvp since they lose to literally every fleet

i try to put in weak fleets so newbs can actually take part

[leaden sequoia]

dunno, maybe that's Wash was being easy on me, but I had 80-85% win rate in PvP as a newb

though likely because of what ARandomPerson said

iirc I joined 4 days before season reset so I had enough time to prep for the next

[coral wren]

back earlier it was probably easier but like top 1000 now have amakaga fully +10d

and just delete newbies if they even hope of getting that high

i mean they can just click new opponent and take weaker ones

[leaden sequoia]

yeah, Amagi alone is something else entirely

ah I joined 7 days into the season, 4 days before Nep event ended

even more time to prep my first fleet

[modern tree]

losing to lvl 100 fleets is chunk of exp and merits do not really afford aything important nearly fast enough to be bothered you earn them slow

obviously losing sucks, but so does your fleet when you start out

[leaden sequoia]

Early on merits helped me get purple and gold equips faster via gold boxes, that's what new players want the most imo

[coral wren]

i needed them for early bulins and purins

cos i learnt my starter fleet was garbage and had to level like 12 new boats entirely

[leaden sequoia]

I didn't have much use for bulins and purins because at the time I leveled like 1 fleet per 1-2 weeks, so their consumption rate wasn't high enough

now with 2 SSR coming up, Z46 already capped at lvl 90 and Tirpitz still low level I want those sweet 15k merits to show up

[modern tree]

I think I have every "starter" ship I ever used sans Norfolk and Repulse maxed

igotenterpriseonmyveryfirstgacharoll

[leaden sequoia]

same, just Long Island and Chicago not maxed

igotenterpriseonmyfirstmedalexchange

good thing WC event gacha does feature purins, though probably not enough for my needs

oh, so only 2 bulins and 2 purins from event gacha?

[hot creek]

My first roll was Hammann. I was excited cause she was a ship I knew of, not from a doujin or anything like that, nope.

[leaden sequoia]

Thatcher for me

Then probs Chicago and Yorktown, while Ranger was a drop

[zenith tundra]

this is how my 1st ships looks like without common ofc

i scapped those for a long time

[modern tree]

bought gems so early

[zenith tundra]

she carried me in pvp for so long tho

i remember using her as a enty counter because of her slow take off

[leaden sequoia]

exactly my situation as cyaneko, and I also paired Yorktown with Ranger for maximum damage

[zenith tundra]

my 1st semi decent comp was sara hood enty then switched to washy hood enty then hakaga

[vague token]

always nice when kaga runs aimtorps and they completely whiff

boiler bois

[zenith tundra]

thats why sakura torp generally sucks

[vague token]

yeah, i only ever used sakura torp on ark royal

but without an evade debuff she doesnt work too well

cause you just miss on triple cl/dd anyways

xD

just used my 10 fights oh boi

[dull hollow]

4head

[lofty smelt]

Well that's certainly some quality content

[vague token]

that... is amazing

[dull hollow]

don't forget to yeet on your foxes

[lofty smelt]

We're getting 110 level cap right?

PvP about to be weird for a bit while materials are low

[vague token]

not on this patch i think?

but it was planned based on that statement

yeah 110 during the first half of 2019

meta will be weird

xD

[lofty smelt]

That's why the girls have whatever number/exp instead of 0/exp at level 100 now right?

[shy hazel]

amagi and jintsu first to 110

[vague token]

does pvp exp stock for that?

=/

[vague token]

at least amagi can be used for both to be fair

vanguard will be all over though

the only vanguard pvp ship i use regularly is probably aya, so she'd be the only one with stocked exp >_>

[finite valve]

370k exp needed to get from 100 to 105

545k from 105 to 110

2290000 exp to get to 120

2.3 mil

not bad

[leaden sequoia]

2290000 exp would be enough to complete PR tasks by 75% already lol

[buoyant parrot]

That Janeue comics needs to be pinned!!!!

<@&472236072743600148> um sorry to buzz you guys. Just a quick request to have Iriya's image post to be pinned. PvP Importance

[acoustic moon]

um

[hollow dawn]

??????

[finite valve]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/516951413411020819/547922481323966466/mn2j89giarh21.png

this one

[buoyant parrot]

yup ^

[ionic magnet]

lmao

[acoustic moon]

we don't pin memes here i think

[ionic magnet]

[buoyant parrot]

important fact in PvP 😂

[shy hazel]

we agree

[hollow dawn]

you can if you want, but I'm not gonna

[acoustic moon]

f

[buoyant parrot]

[acoustic moon]

who repays a dead ship

she ded

[shy hazel]

we are alive because of jun

she gives us

salvation

[weak berry]

@buoyant parrot can u not

[shy hazel]

from the foxes devils

[weak berry]

next time you ping for a meme, its a warning

[ionic magnet]

lies you dont use jesus

[shy hazel]

busted

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

oof

[zenith tundra]

rip jesus meme. now if we can get rid of her ingame too would be great

[vague token]

just buff up urakaze to 100% proc rate

xD

wouldnt be as good but she'd be an alternative

since she has 450 base torp, she's the aggressive option

[finite valve]

well luckily i don't use jesus

and yet i am still going to lvl up her skill anyway

70+ blue book and 0 ship to lvl up

....

[real notch]

LMFAOOO that's a wonderful meme

[odd schooner]

Top meme tbh

Pin worthy

I'm not sure if I'm gonna push this season lmao

Yesterday was a -45 loss

[leaden sequoia]

still better than oversleeping 5 attempts with 75 points loss at this time

[sharp roost]

how much merit do you guys have at 5/5?

wondering why im so behind in rank

[finite valve]

5/10 or 10/10? cus 5/5 don't exist

[sharp roost]

5/10

[finite valve]

10/10 with 697 point

[lofty smelt]

10/10 with 691 points

[finite valve]

hey at least i am not going to sand bag till the end lel

going to rush gensui and call it a day

[lofty smelt]

That's what I do usually

Can't super tryhard sandbag with time constraints usually tho

I'll pretend I can get rank 1 end of season someday

[finite valve]

[hot creek]

im 10/10 with 689

I blame unicorn skin maintenance

[hybrid tendon]

9/10 with 722

[buoyant parrot]

GENERAL KENOBI!

you should have typed "Hello there" first

[hybrid tendon]

You are a bold one

[buoyant parrot]

[sharp roost]

must've missed some at 637 7/10

[buoyant parrot]

I didn't miss a thing I'm at 9/10 1500+

but every 10mins before Server Refresh I'm at Top 1-5

ooh

lol

I thought that was Rank xD

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

same score as phoenixF lol

[arctic imp]

[zenith tundra]

even so better waste points while sleeping then sandbag and still be behind...

[arctic imp]

maybe this season ill reach top 50

😄

[zenith tundra]

sandbag more

[shy hazel]

a true scu--sandbagger maximizes bonus while not losing a single round to sleep

[arctic imp]

Sandbagger?

[hot creek]

imagine if maintenance got delayed past pvp reset

[arctic imp]

I already used up all my tries so...

[dull hollow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/352975182065041410/547998386473926686/unknown.png

there's no way this comp can be good

but

let's see what happens

[buoyant parrot]

[arctic imp]

Whos the in the middle?

And on bottom left and right

[buoyant parrot]

Neptune

[pearl nimbus]

Centaur

backline

[arctic imp]

I mean top middle

Ah

[buoyant parrot]

Centaur on Backline

Neptune on Vanguard