pvp

[coral wren]

i havent tested it though

[zenith tundra]

auditorium was bugged yesterday tho

[split socket]

I had my auditorium at 0 at some point too

but the lesson didn't end

so I had to force it to end manually

[zenith tundra]

i put 2 ships today so waiting to see results

Lectures last for 12 hours. Upon completion, consumed proficiency will be deducted from the proficiency bar and ships obtain the XP.
Lectures can be aborted mid-way by clicking the grey button next to the bar.

[split socket]

nice, good to know

oh, 12h

[zenith tundra]

even with 0 xp is still 12h

[split socket]

so it wasn't bugged by not ending automatically then

sub lvl 30

[zenith tundra]

i have no ships under lvl 50 lol

[split socket]

^

xD

[zenith tundra]

(not dupes at least)

doing that myself too

[coral wren]

should i put boiler or beaver badge on belfast

[split socket]

neither

[zenith tundra]

if u don't need beaver on a bb u can use it on bel

but depends on comp tbh

[coral wren]

or should i go toolbox torpedo bulge

or something

[zenith tundra]

this is my bel for amakaga

[split socket]

bulge + tool/pearl

beaver can certainly be used but I think it's better on other ships tbh

[zenith tundra]

i use beaver on jintsuu and pearl on aurora

[coral wren]

i put my pearl on aurora

im a pleb and cant +10 my aux gear

[zenith tundra]

it took me forever to do that

it's just about farming a lot

[coral wren]

i made the rookie mistake of getting like 12 toolboxes

[split socket]

pretty normal since general plates are the rarest

or not rarest, but it's used by every ship

[zenith tundra]

u use 2 on every ship so a lot needed

[split socket]

yea

rainbow torp also requires quite a lot of parts

[zenith tundra]

oxy is so expensive

[split socket]

meanwhile something like rainbow mag torp can be maxed immediately cause there are so few ships that use torp equipments

[zenith tundra]

i can afford to max out so many torp

mostly because light enemies are so common tbh

[split socket]

this is my problem lol

won't be long before I'm out

[zenith tundra]

best thing for t1 (outside of farming) is use t3 boxes to gain blue aux and recycle them

t3 should be pretty easy to come by

[split socket]

yea, just that I'm burning those plates faster than I can get t3 atm

[zenith tundra]

u can also turn t1 boxes into t2 and t2 boxes into t3

i do that like once a month and open like 500+ t3 boxes and scrap almost everything i get

[split socket]

I keep all purp torps / aux / aa now tho

[zenith tundra]

yeah before u gain some equip better keep stuff

[split socket]

😄

I'm gearing up every single ship so thats why

[zenith tundra]

i'm gearing up ships to free space lol

[split socket]

I'm doing it for another reason but freeing up space also comes with it automatically so win win I guess haha

[zenith tundra]

i think i have way too many planes for the amount of cv/l there are

[split socket]

yep definitely

there aren't enough cv/l in the game

all of my common cv are used as reload fodder nowadays instead of aviation

[real notch]

wtf zack

u have so many magtorps

[zenith tundra]

yes i do i love ironblood boxes

[real notch]

my balance of mag/nonmag is so shit

[split socket]

madlads

[vague token]

wow, that's a lot of +10 quints lol

[zenith tundra]

i just never got normal ones

[real notch]

even though i buy all the irons i can

[split socket]

I gave up on mag torps when I opened 140 ironblood boxes and got 0

[zenith tundra]

i'm stuck with royal for gold cuda

[real notch]

i'm trying to get more UFOs

just for more flexibility

i think you only need 3-4 in a PVP team anyways

[zenith tundra]

i'm not getting anything out of royal

[real notch]

3-4 max

[split socket]

4?

[real notch]

yyyeeeee maybe

in a really weird wasd fleet like

wasd + juneau + eld

it's ok for those 4 to have UFOs

[split socket]

should probably still be better to mix it up a bit so u get higher firerate no?

range from 30-35 isn't that much difference

[real notch]

yep i agree

actually after 30 range any more is not beneficial

and RoF is more important for reppuu baiting anyways

[odd schooner]

Wait. If weak reload and AA = should be bofors?

[coral wren]

fuck sandy server managed to beat me to 2200

by 20 people

at least next time ill get it

cos sandy was a whole reset behind pretty much

only 35 people in the entire sandy server are above 2200

[elder crane]

Mainly AA, reload stat barely matters
iirc last time i did the calc, with the ships you'd use in PvP, bofors on slower ship and 113 on faster made a <2% rld time diff, whereas the typical AA difference is up to ~5% damage difference

Avrora has entire top 100 right now above 2210

[coral wren]

sandy only had 3 people above 2200 on the reset it was possible

sandy really sucks to do pvp on

[elder crane]

If you hit 2200 at 5 PM on Avrora, you would not make top 20 iirc (much less top 10)

[ivory vine]

i may have missed like 20 games this season

[coral wren]

you only get 10 points for the far left right

how much do the other 3 give

[elder crane]

10 pts for anyone with equal or more pts than you

if they have enough more, it can be +11 or more

[coral wren]

for that they have to be higher ranked right?

sorry im a total noob at pvp

[elder crane]

usually, I'm actually not sure what happens if they have same number of pts but are lower in rank, since that almost never happens

[ionic magnet]

just depends on pts

[elder crane]

but far left usually is above you in score, unless you are near top of leaderboard, in which case they might not
Relogin to the game to refresh the scores of ppl on your list

[coral wren]

do i have to guess how many points theyre above for that extra 1 point?

or can i check it somehow

[elder crane]

Guess, more or less, unless they are top 100 and you can check the leaderboard

[ionic magnet]

should be higher than 35 pts to get bonus pts

[coral wren]

ok so i should make sure theyre a decent few ranks ahead of me

if possible

[elder crane]

At start of season, it's much less than 35 pts, but yes, towards the end it is 35 difference for each +1 (70 for +2, etc.)

[ionic magnet]

yes that and making sure you dont miss any rounds

[coral wren]

i also lost like 4 times this season

how much less do you get for a loss

[elder crane]

you get no points for a loss

[coral wren]

[ionic magnet]

you get 0 pts for a loss

[elder crane]

but you still get half merit and XP

[coral wren]

ok thats probably why i didnt make it then

[ionic magnet]

so basically you get - 10 for every loss relative to everyones scores

[coral wren]

losses are super painful then

[ionic magnet]

i lost 3x this season and 1 pt away from top 10

[elder crane]

Loss, or forget to fight
I missed one when trying to cut it close, and my watch died and I didn't notice
Was also late to lecture because of that

[ionic magnet]

feelsbad

[elder crane]

If you are trying to hit top 10, the midnight reset rushes are much easier, and all rushes get a bit easier towards very end of season

[coral wren]

it sucks because i live in eu

and midnight resets are 8am for me

and 6pm resets are 2am

[ionic magnet]

what exactly is midnight reset

first one?

[elder crane]

Midnight PST, the one in 6 H

[ionic magnet]

i see

[elder crane]

People are asleep then prolly

[ionic magnet]

will try again

[coral wren]

ill get top 10 next season for sure cos sandy sucks at it

[ionic magnet]

tho everytime i try to rush im getting less pts cos of +9s and +8s

[elder crane]

I hit rank 1 last midnight reset last season (edit: discord bugged on me and ate a few words) with 4(!) missed matches during the last midnight reset, in Avrora, somehow

+9 are inevitable, +8 you want to save your refreshes to avoid

[ionic magnet]

how much difference in scores is a +8 usually?

[elder crane]

They really add up, it's pretty bad, at least for Avrora where PvP rushes are somewhat competitive

[ionic magnet]

i remember fighting a rank 40+ when im around rank 4

and got a 8 pts

didnt know its that close

[elder crane]

Oh, in rank, it really depends, I'd rec you check the leaderboard to be sure
just get an idea of about where each rank is in pts
they have to be more than 35 below to get a +8

[ionic magnet]

im out of refresh either way so no choice

ill try again later

[elder crane]

Wait to see if someone climbs then, if you have low/no chance of hitting top 10

[ionic magnet]

i see

[elder crane]

if you are low in score relative to the top, save your rush energy for later rushes, don't take +8

if you are really low down, like I thought I was last season, don't even participate in the first few rushes, let people wear themselves out, save up your +10s

[ionic magnet]

interesting

[coral wren]

what would you rush for at the start anyway

[elder crane]

100 merit instead of 90 for every fight in top 10, mainly

[coral wren]

ahhh oh yeah forgot about that

[elder crane]

Plus, getting it out of the way is nice

[ionic magnet]

and you can p much chill after you get aotn

so the earlier the better i guess

[vague token]

using ryuusei on hiryuu seems to be dependent on how many boilers the defense vanguard has xD

[ivory vine]

ideally you want ryuusei to hit the backline

unless you have a slow

[analog hare]

@balmy torrent I have similiar setup like you

[zenith tundra]

done with ryuujou already... guess time to go back to maya

[hot creek]

I wonder if I camped r1 for the rest of the season, would someone else on Sandy be able to overtake me on last day.

[zenith tundra]

nice problems to have lol. i'm looking at my grim chance at aotn

[hot creek]

I ended r1 last season with one loss

r2 was four points behind

[zenith tundra]

this is me at 0/10...

guess missed too many attempts

yeah 6 behind

i'm gonna try for it i still need top 50 too

maybe i have top 50.. not sure

i got it with 5 behind last season

it happened to me too i woke up like literally 2 mins after reset and lost 4 attempts

just doze off after work

[hot creek]

i just do my pvps early if there's possibility of me missing it. +1 or +2 points is not worth eating -40 or -50

[zenith tundra]

i've been trying for the last 4 seasons to get a good score and always at least 3 behind...

[hot creek]

one time I had to attend a wedding and did my pvps way earlier than usual. that ended up being the correct decision because the ceremony lasted so fuckin long.

[zenith tundra]

lucky

even with alarm i still cannot keep up the sandbagging

i didn't know anything about pvp till december

before that i just used my attempts randomly and wondered how people got so much better score compared to me

lol

i didn't even know u could reset for free and just took loses

[hot creek]

that was me for my first ten matches or so

then I read that I shouldnt take pvp srsly and should just take the loss for free xp

then i saw my win rate going down and said fuck that

[zenith tundra]

i read a lot about al at the beginning but dunno why never really bothered reading about pvp

[hot creek]

my inner tryhard had to do something about it

so I skipped pvp altogether for a whole season while raising my HMS fleet

and when I came back next, damn it felt fucking good

sniping entys left and right

actually having a good winrate vs everything

[zenith tundra]

by the time i had my hms fleet i ended up using wasd for a bit lol

then got akaga like 2 weeks after and kept using foxes

[hot creek]

HMS was my first pvp fleet and they were reliable enough that I didn't bother investing in FW

https://puu.sh/CMZKL/2360a41ad1.png me at 5/10 btw

I could take gensui right now if i did one more match

[zenith tundra]

oh cool gotta spam the hell out of amagi from now on

maybe i'll get that in pvp eventually plus wc

my qe has already 300k

... frick that

hopefully people will sandbag

not even close lol

barely 23

that's fine i knew i was doomed by the time i lost those attempts

[hybrid tendon]

forgot today is rush day

lmao

still success

👏

[shy hazel]

[hybrid tendon]

10 matches in a row

[shy hazel]

i need to skip one whole pvp season soon

[hybrid tendon]

lul

farewell

[zenith tundra]

rip

[shy hazel]

cos im going mountain hiking

[hybrid tendon]

for 2 weekS?

[shy hazel]

yup

actually about a week and half

[hybrid tendon]

you are gonna skip WC then

[shy hazel]

events in this server are three weeks anyways

and jokes on u

[zenith tundra]

not all the event... it still lasts 3 weeks

[shy hazel]

i have 0 cubes

hatsushimo still not home

pogchamp

fuck this pink bitch ima skip her

[vague token]

[shy hazel]

180 cubes

for one damn shp

that doesnt appear

[vague token]

oof

[shy hazel]

then i spent 140 just for mullany last cny

sad life my 100% completion is dead

[ivory vine]

only 140?

i went ~300 and dont have tai yuan

[shy hazel]

but u have pink bitch now

[ivory vine]

yeah

i dont care about collection

i just wanted cute l2d skin

[odd schooner]

@shy hazel bicc betrayal is she's gonna be perma soon

[ivory vine]

[odd schooner]

Due to popular demand (?)

[shy hazel]

i tell u know

im gonna do

domestic violence to her

once i get her

make her forever at red smiley face

[odd schooner]

I do that to minnie when there is new world or d3 events

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

She ate all my x2 gems

[shy hazel]

for now ill cash 200 cubes for wc

[odd schooner]

And all cube packages

[shy hazel]

cos i need all,ships for it

[vague token]

doy soon =D

[zenith tundra]

i had to whale for washy instead

[shy hazel]

sirius and yellow cowtits cv

and doy

[zenith tundra]

what a waste lol

[shy hazel]

pogchamp

lots of good ssrs

at least doy is free

[zenith tundra]

actually only doy is that good. vic is trash and sirius is meh

[shy hazel]

sirius seems a good meme ship to me

vic maybe for pve

[zenith tundra]

she's sr costs like enty and does less dmg

[shy hazel]

im a completionist so ill still try to get all

i got all,ships in any big events

[vague token]

sirius is the unfortunate spot that isnt sendai and isnt aurora lol

and 140 base torp

xD

[shy hazel]

only this hatsushimo is a big cuck

[zenith tundra]

i do that too but doesn't mean some ships are plain and simple bad

[shy hazel]

[ivory vine]

vicky for the tirpitz ship

[shy hazel]

maybe not for current pvp meta but well

[zenith tundra]

never centaur is so much better

[shy hazel]

enty essex centaur sirius shenanigans

[vague token]

is that even good compared to using sendai/aurora lol

[ivory vine]

i mean

you wont use sendai

cuz she doesnt flare when they strike

[zenith tundra]

she's a good substitute to sendai for like 1-2 weeks till we get her

[ivory vine]

sendai is strictly for foxes

[shy hazel]

i got few ships to skill level anyways

[vague token]

ok, but unless we get 120, aurora still reks the cl/dd

[shy hazel]

might as well skill up sirius

[zenith tundra]

are there other cv in pvp

[vague token]

and more torp xD

[shy hazel]

pog

heyyy

uss still has ten more essexes

or 11

[vague token]

and 150+ fletchers

[ivory vine]

uh

it's like 23 more essex isnt it?

[shy hazel]

oh there lol

[ivory vine]

cuz iirc they were going to build 30 something

[zenith tundra]

none of them in al so far tho

[ivory vine]

but finished 24

there's 1

[vague token]

some canceled ones

[ivory vine]

and she's cutest bote

[shy hazel]

i think at least 3 will come to al at least

[ivory vine]

along with ibuki

[vague token]

32 original order

[shy hazel]

look we still get fletchers even though theyre only for

collection

new essexes soon

[vague token]

you never know, we might get a fletcher for pvp someday

[zenith tundra]

idk about essex cuteness

[shy hazel]

which essex has most achievement in ww2 anyways

i think it was bunker something

kinda feels annoyed on some ppl in top 10 rn

got gensui this first gensui rush

but still rushing to top 10

doesnt wanna give others chance

pog

[zenith tundra]

maybe they need extra merits

[shy hazel]

opting to get +8 +9 every round just to get 100 per round

[vague token]

did someone say extra merits?
https://gyazo.com/b0c15a77f56a4c0e39ad63383ee1b4d9

[ivory vine]

give merits

[vague token]

i wish i could

[vast mortar]

[livid fractal]

[shy hazel]

u wasting those potential purins kiro

[odd schooner]

I stopped taking out Purins for now

Need to expand soon but gdi yostar too op baiting skins

[shy hazel]

im gonna stop buying skins for now

gotta buy alot of cubes because zzz

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

fyi i ran out of cubes

[odd schooner]

Stay strong

[shy hazel]

180 no hatsushitmo

i give up on my glorious 100% completion because of a damn bitch ship

stil bitter zzz

[modern tree]

I am glad that Maryland did that shit to me in FW and I have never since dumped all my cubes for a whatever boat, now I am missing Ashigara and Maryland with the new boats for completion and I am upset but at least I have cubes

[shy hazel]

im more bitter for this dumb pink ship

[modern tree]

dumb limited ships

[shy hazel]

because its supposed to be a free monthly ship

in cn

why even put only one ship limited in light build for only 6 days

[split socket]

they should've added it along with the cn ships imo

[modern tree]

sheaintevengood

[shy hazel]

i even used 140 only for mullany

200 cubes for cny

180 for hatsushitmo which i never got

340 for useless ships

well at least there is one good ship in cny

still bitter

zzz

now im buying 200 cubes for wc

and im feeling im gonna miss out on something again

[coral wren]

wow

shit luck on a new level

[wooden dragon]

Hey all, quick question - With the Ijn comp, what's a good Aux substitute for Amagi for Gold FCR, seeing that her subsequent barrages after her initial will land during LuckyE's?

[hot creek]

If you can't Gold FCR, just use an SG

[wooden dragon]

Alrighty - thanks

[hot creek]

@wooden dragon SG won't fix timings but if you really wanna fix the timing, your only other option is autoloader but autoloader is just not that great overall. If you're using foxes, the timing on their airstrikes should be taking care of enty anyways so you shouldn't be relying on Amagi's barrages to snipe Enty imo.

[wooden dragon]

@hot creek
Gotcha. Thanks again. And yeah I've noticed that if Amagi lands the barrage, that the foxes will usually finish her off.

[hot creek]

maybe the new core data gun will help

[dull hollow]

new core data gun is core for everywhere

[modern tree]

its damage doesnt matter if you only care about the barrage, for example, Hood will suddenly be able to squeeze in 2-3 barrages before fox second strike easily, which makes her slay the fox matchup if you dont miss all of the barrages

[hot creek]

im starting to not get decisive wins against full oath fox mirriors

and in the mirror, shit it sketchy so the only win ill take is a decisive one

[ionic magnet]

yes finally got aotn

missing 3 rounds made this hard

[modern tree]

I feel you, grabbed it yesterday at -5 games, I dont think I'd have been fast enough if I didn't have foxes prepared, even sandy starts playing at second reset post aotn

[hot creek]

IDK how you're still getting wins with HMS

[modern tree]

Reloader

xd

[hot creek]

my vanguard just gets rekt everytime

fucking amagi barrage is sop broken

[modern tree]

foxes are actually easy

wasd amagi is almost impossible for hms

let me fetch a thing I made the other day

https://imgur.com/a/3GrlEoV

this is how I win with HMS

Reloader is because Hood with Reloader and hfcr can shoot the fox twice before the sceond strike, and if its barrage on both, you win

its a lil harder otherwise, but this shit is super tanky, actually

[hot creek]

meh. I'm finding that you won't win against the foxes unless Hood procs twice in a row and at the same time the VG has to not explode in the first 20 seconds

which doesnt happen that often

[ionic magnet]

what vg are you using just curious

[modern tree]

my vg seldom dies vs foxes

[hot creek]

jesues, leander, bel

[ionic magnet]

hmm maybe just unlucky torps?

[modern tree]

maybe boilers are actually this good

[ionic magnet]

idk my vg is fine with bel jun jint

takes 1-2 resets against maxed fleets tho

but then again im not using amakaga so im satisfied for now

still can finish 5 rounds in 6 or 7 mins

[hot creek]

sure if you're fighting meme fleets

[ionic magnet]

if meme fleets then its even faster wdym

i just reset if my vg eats more than 3 torps against maxed amakaga

cos well its hopeless at that point for me

[hot creek]

I 100% guaruntee you you're not finishing 5 matches within 6/7 minutes with HMS unless you're fighting undergeared or meme fleets.

[ionic magnet]

oh im not using hms sry i didnt clarify

[hot creek]

well that explains it

[ionic magnet]

i dont trust QE so i just moved on and used amagi hood E

[elder crane]

Hiryuu in that slot over either E or Hood gives a much more consistent team

IMO probably even more consistent in pretty much all matchups than amkaga, but I do use a slightly different frontline (jun/aur/jint)
And Hiryuu's skill is nice if you accidentally don't pay much attention

Team is still slow though, so amkaga still better for rushing

[hot creek]

Hiryuu gets shat on so hard so early, her 15 sec invuln doesnt do anything.

defintely not worth using over amagi

[ionic magnet]

im currently levelling a hiryuu to try

that while still farming for foxes

[elder crane]

With the right setup, in centre slot, she very consistently survives a full amkaga strike wave with her skill intact, even with a few torp hits, and if she does, it's pretty much an auto-win, and often you win even if she's forced to proc there
I have her often survive a full two waves without her skill activating when RNG favors me, vs not-fully-optimized teams

She effectively gets a boosted-Enterprise-skill activation guaranteed every match, and at a pretty good timing as well

[hot creek]

dafuq? are still talking about EN or no

[modern tree]

When I tried using Hiryuu all her planes died and then she did too

[vague token]

i dont think ive ever had a solo carrier have all her planes die unless it was like juneau/clevebro/x or something

but then again, im using the stuka atm for plane saturation

[modern tree]

wasd juneau with good AA usually chunks the plnes really hard, if you use Ryuusei instead of much tankier cudas, the planes might just get wiped

[vague token]

oh i still use cuda

im not sold on ryuusei on solo hiryuu yet

without kai at least

especially if vanguard has boilers you just miss

xD

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu feels very squishy i think the only usable role she might have in en pre retro might be with namaga. with final counter she can get off 2 airstrikes before akaga but her dmg would be way too low without nagato

[vague token]

she works fine as a amakaga counter since she usually wont proc final counter on first strike

[zenith tundra]

i really need to have her affection at 100 for actual tries but she has 2k less hp in pvp then foxes and foxes are pretty squishy already

[vague token]

oh, i use her with hood/amagi

[zenith tundra]

every time i used her she just get rekt by something

or a torp or a bb shot or airstrike

[vague token]

xD

im using port kai in my vanguard so usually vanguard soaks amagi barrage

and unless defense torps are lucky

she wont take too much even in middle

[zenith tundra]

how viable would ibuki be in pvp in en?

[modern tree]

depends how soon she gets there, but at 120 her double preloaded torps with barrages and really high critrate are going to be pretty decent no matter what

it just depends on how much you enjoy reseting because you didnt hit anything

[ivory vine]

make jintsuu buff ca

[vague token]

plz no

buff leipzig ;)

[ivory vine]

so i can have ibuki with 245% crit dmg

[zenith tundra]

most likely we get research in like 2 months so was wondering because as much as i want roon ibuki is my favorite pr ship

[modern tree]

You cant really go wrong with PR ships unless you ignore everything to get Izumo, that's only a little bit wrong

and even Izumo isn't really bad, she's gonna get shit on in pvp, but she basically has Nagato barrage with almost double the chance to trigger

[ivory vine]

iirc izumo has ap big7

but being weak to HE is a big negative

not just in pvp

she'd be fine for sirens tho cuz iirc they have ap on the bb shells

[zenith tundra]

i would also love ibuki for elites. she would make a really fast bps farming ship

[modern tree]

I mean, 6% more chance to get set on fire isnt really as big of a deal as it would seem because BB guns have really high chance to set fires either way, and the damage is not really that huge either, one extra tick. It's just that her Sakura branded terrible AA combined with it and PR ship 0 luck is a little bit too much. She tanks damage, struggles to hit things, and there are plenty of big barrage BBs to choose from

but hey, Nagato and Amagi buffs both help her weak points and resisting AP is sort of relevant againts Warspite kai, SO MAYBE ITS HER TIME TO SHINE dont count on it

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CNmjG/f50751759e.png

oh cool I got gensui without rushing lol

[shy hazel]

i dont see familiar names means different server

[elder crane]

Well, idk what you guys are doing, but easy 5/6 wins vs various at-least-decent (2 vs what I think is a very good) amkaga teams with Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood, Juneau/Aurora/Jintsuu, with Hiryuu clearly surviving first amkaga strikes unproc'd.

And, simultaneously proof of why I complain about juneau being too survivable, twice amagi got knocked out before juneau died, where juneau's heal would've likely kept her alive (although juneau had a sliver of health in other cases, so I don't think I'll gimp her defensive auxs)

Hmmm, I'd upload the vid, but I'm a bit worried about privacy

[shy hazel]

just upload

everyone uses the same fleet or something similar anyways

[elder crane]

No, I mean personal info
But I'm uploading to YT right now

[shy hazel]

its okay i doubt there are yt stalkers here

[elder crane]

No, I mean like actual personal info in the video
I think it's safe, at a cursory glance, but paranoia is kicking in for some reason

[vague token]

i dont have jintsuu so i cant afford aurora xD

which means port kai memes

which means mandatory start of battle smoke tax

rip

belfast/bailey/port kai works though as bad as it is

[elder crane]

I might try that in the future, but not sure what team to fit her in
And isn't leander the better smoke option?

[vague token]

im leveling her still

i had bailey from her secretary

[subtle whale]

i used belfast port and jeneau

was nice

[vague token]

so she's filling in

i think my leander just hit 90

[subtle whale]

so best offense vanguard is aya jintsuu aurora?

[vague token]

and 2000 points in at level 9

aya is a bit of a hail mary on offense cause torp rng

defense aya usually hits a backliner

[elder crane]

Ah, makes sense, I suppose no C-class either
Might try it with Hiryuu/Amagi/Enty Juneau/Bel

[vague token]

yeah

soooon though

[elder crane]

Frontline depends on what backline you run

[shy hazel]

if only fortune has that mist skill as third skill

[vague token]

lol

[shy hazel]

shell be the perfect defensive meme

fortune kai 2 soon

[vague token]

to be fair, she has perfect evasion when she has 240 evade or w/e

xD

like why

[elder crane]

If you have 2 or more BB/BC, you want a front that trades quickly
If you have more CV, you want one that sticks around more
Unless it's amkaga, where the backline hits the enemy front so hard it doesn't matter

BB/BC will waste shots if frontline is still fighting, and can clean up after your frontline if it fails to fully trade
CV can't self-defend as well, and can slam frontlines anywhere, so a more "sticky" setup is better imo

[vague token]

if torp vanguard gets to your cvs you're usually resetti

xD

someday it'd be nice if we got a belfast smoke on a different faction

just for variance

like it wouldnt stack because it'd be the same skill

[elder crane]

https://youtu.be/SQlqzu50IQs
Done uploading, looks safe to me on personal irl info

Will take more vids later, this is not really large enough sample to be truly convincing, but what the heck, still shows my point

[vague token]

she's more of a counter than a generalist pick basically xD

you can get walled on wasd/amagi if you arent careful

[elder crane]

Well, with everyone and their mother running Amkaga...
(If they run a real team, ofc)
Actually, it doesn't too too poorly vs those teams either

[shy hazel]

time to save all your yt details in my death note

[coral wren]

aww man fml... tried to be cheeky and lvl up my 94Graf zep and 97 hiryuu since the rush is over but amakaga is just too stronk xd.

and z vanguard cant win against torps

[vague token]

no defense boost for z vanguard =(

[coral wren]

yeah... Tirp Graf Hiryuu + Zs dosnt work in pvp not against meta comps

that is quite sad

[elder crane]

Yeah, anything evasion-based really suffers from aurora existing

As well as mechanics in general not favoring evasion in PvP

[charred sable]

https://www.facebook.com/2523964394284576/videos/659751474455711/

[shy hazel]

@elder crane are you in what server again

👀

[vague token]

[charred sable]

Jintsuu / Ayanami / Aurora
vs
Jintsuu / Aurora / Ayanami?
What's the theory behind middle vs final placement for the vanguard, and it's effect on initial torpedo round hit rate?

[nova storm]

My guess would be you'd want to keep the accuracy more for Akaga and other ships than you'd want to keep Ayanami for the potential to burst?

[ionic magnet]

front > back > middle in terms on damage taken

so you want to put the one that you want to keep alive in the middle (the squishiest most of the time)

aurora in your case cos her passive helps a lot esp with foxes

vanguards release torps 1 by 1 too

with front as first, middle second and back third

[shy hazel]

keep aurora in mid

[vague token]

i find middle dies first a lot atm against auroras because torp aoe

err 2nd

[ionic magnet]

depends on rng so

[shy hazel]

aurora would normal die first whatever position

cos she just the one with memeist armor and hp in meta

mid still helps though

[elder crane]

@shy hazel Avrora server

My main gripe with Aya on offense is just the general unreliability of her torps

It's hilarious when she just deletes ships, but sucks when she fails to hit anything

[shy hazel]

[serene knot]

what backline is generally better... wash soadk enty or amakaga?

hmm alright

[vague token]

for farming, amakaga goes faaast

wasd/amagi might be safer but slower?

[serene knot]

oh i mean for pvp

[elder crane]

I didn't find it to feel significantly stronger (or weaker), or have any clear advantages overall (wasda). So, mainly that it's just slow.

[vague token]

no i mean farming pvp xD

[serene knot]

oh

[vague token]

it's a fast damage spike fleet

[serene knot]

asking because i'm currently running wasda enty... but i'm not sure if i should start raising amakaga. Still farming for akagi though

[vague token]

wasde can run into first strike death if you're unlucky on torps

but depends on vanguard too

belfast/aya/jintsuu can RNG destroy you or do nothing xD

[serene knot]

oh right... that's true

with wasda i'm running belfast, juneau and minne... didn't buy eldridge yet, and probably wont

i'm already leveling up my jintsuu

[vague token]

minne probably doesnt add much technically but if you like her use her xD

i was using minne until port kai came out

unfortunately jintsuu's buff makes me lose dps trades so it wasnt working anymore once amakaga got set in

[serene knot]

honestly it's a lack of better alternatives

at least she's durable

[vague token]

na, it's just jintsuu really xD

[serene knot]

oh i mean minne

but wait... what do you mean juntsuu's buff makes you lose dps?

[vague token]

dps trades

so like, before amakaga/jintsuu i was winning pure gunfights using minne/aurora/x

[serene knot]

ohhh

[vague token]

pretty handily too

[serene knot]

right

still using that frontline?

[vague token]

lol no

belfast/bailey (will replace with leander)/port kai

[serene knot]

hmm i see

[vague token]

minne is like glass in torp death meta

[dull hollow]

minne remains glass

at 120

[charred sable]

oops, went for dinner and completely forgot to check back for responses

@nova storm @ionic magnet @shy hazel Makes sense and thanks. I've always felt that Ayanami is a lot squishier than Aurora (and will be even more squishy once she wields double rainbow dildos), but Aurora's passive debuff is too important that prioritizing keeping her alive makes the most sense. So Jintsuu / Aurora / Ayanami it is.

[shy hazel]

👌

[odd schooner]

Last day bois

[analog hare]

[odd schooner]

Fortune kai helps against opening torps for wasdA

Oh right i forgot to switch def lmao

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

Was trying some CLs

[real notch]

amakaga is wayyy stronger than wasde lol

[coral wren]

I dunno, wasda deals 0 fucking dmg

[random vault]

do you guys think sirius will change the pvp meta in any way

[coral wren]

no, ppl prob will pick her up for their amakaga setup

more foxes for the fox throne

[native mantle]

so with comeing wc rerun and new ships a buffed HMS is a equal or better option to akagami?

[shy hazel]

you may see more sirius replacing ayanami belfast in meta team

but it wont be that big

some will do most will not

probably

there is no equal to ijn shenanigans until ws kai

[native mantle]

its just that ya could replace one vanguard for sirius?

[odd schooner]

It's hard to replace Belfast

Gonna make use of her qipao

[native mantle]

so still jesus+bel+aya/jin with akagami?

[shy hazel]

depends on people preferences

sirius would just add dmg for foxes

to kill vanguard more efficiency

she should be terribad for defense in theory at least

so itll be like youll pick of the three

aya belfast or sirius

torps vs mist with burn dmg vs cv buff

aurora and jintsu is non negotiable

when will they put aurora as ijn ship

yea i guess

well to be fair belfast also has decent torps

so you're missing out alot

[modern tree]

Biggest buffs to HMS are in the core exchange, but they are not exclusive to them so it's not hard to imagine people will just get white shells and 381 kai and play them on amakaga or wasd instead. Between 381 Hood and Dork, HMS might be considerable on offense again tho, since 381 Hood can just win vs foxes on her own and Dork might bring enough shelling to start winning against wasd teams without requiring them to get unlucky with skills. I will find out at any rate.

[coral wren]

So ws will be waiting for her retro, and till that time comes we are running qe+dork+hood?

And when cent is out she takes hood's place?

[modern tree]

both Centaur and PR will change your options, and while I can assume Dork will simply outperform Warspite pre kai, white shell and ability to snipe ships might still be relevant. Who knows, I never thought I'd put Reloader on Hood outside of pve, but here I am

[coral wren]

May i ask what vanguard setup do you use?

[modern tree]

I stuck to Juneau Belfast Leander after a while, it does really well vs foxes and pretty much any suboptimal stuff.

HMS will make you hate yourself when you find any wasd teams tho, both E and Amagi are just straight gambling to deal with

[coral wren]

I rarely see them on washington tho, it's just foxes all over the place..

What about loadout? bulge+tear for bel, boiler+tookit for both leander and june, right?

not sure why tho, but torp vang still deletes my bel/leander from time to time

[modern tree]

I like Bulge+Boiler on CLs in general, With Leander it's probably less necesary, but torps are still gonna hurt if they hit

[charred sable]

Hmm, didn't realize Sirius is coming so soon. So sounding like Jintsuu / Aurora / Sirius instead of Jintsuu /Aurora /Ayanami

[zenith tundra]

the problem with sirius is that u can't really have an optimal frontline with her

[charred sable]

Actually, Jintsuu's passives become useless without Ayamami

[zenith tundra]

u would need at least 1 ijn and aurora too but that leaves u kinda of week to mirror and without jintsuu u lose ijn buff on amagi

[charred sable]

Sirius /Aurora / Ayanami?

[zenith tundra]

so sirius is not really worth giving up on either jintsuu or belfast (for mirror)

[charred sable]

Ayanami won't have the same burst potential though, hmmm

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu is usable without ayanami because belfast can still hurt with torp

aurora is better against not ca tho

[charred sable]

Wouldn't Aurora be better than Sirius though

[ionic magnet]

only jintsuu is irreplaceable tbh

[zenith tundra]

sirius is maybe usable with nakaga but then u have sendai which is a better torp and u can use sendai jintsuu aurora

[charred sable]

Sendai's world 12 though... Quite some ways away xD

[zenith tundra]

so unless u go for like sirius jesus aurora and forget torp with nakaga u wont really use her

w11 sendai and coming really soon

sirius is a nice idea maybe if u use enty akaga with belfast sirius aurora might be viable but for amakaga not really

[modern tree]

I'd say that freeing yourself from torp memes on offense can only be a good thing for amakaga, you'd probably still rather run them on defense, but who cares all that much.

[zenith tundra]

ijn buff is too op on amakaga

[modern tree]

double buffing (Aurora and Sirius) your CVs with Belfast or Juneau can probably smash shit regardless

[charred sable]

Well, Sirius will still be a good future investment for when Warspite gets her retrofit and it's HMS all over again

[zenith tundra]

u underestimate mvp amagi half the time

going before foxes is immense advantage in mirror

[modern tree]

clearly we beed ykkz alredy

[charred sable]

I think I'll stick with Jintsuu / Aurora / Ayanami then for now and swap to Jintsuu / Aurora / Sendai in the future

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu can only be replaced by sendai tbh

if u don't want torp memes

[charred sable]

Actually, what about Sirius / Aurora / Sendai? Still meets the IJN req

[zenith tundra]

that's full akaga buff

maybe even overkill but might be viable

[charred sable]

I have 10 days before I can rename my ships so just want to lock in a plan before that so I don't change my mind in between and have to wait another 30 days

[zenith tundra]

i don't even have custom names enabled lol

[charred sable]

Aurora being in the middle though I think is a safe bet for a while

And Sendai's low HP would make her a position 3 required I think?

[zenith tundra]

not even sure how that would work tbh. depends on enemies and who is better to have later on

sirius might be the on u want to last longer because she's a half gunboat but torp might be better either way

[charred sable]

Jintsuu / Aurora / Ayanami - torpedoes
Jintsuu / Aurora / Sendai - in between
Sirius / Aurora / Sendai - full CV boost

[zenith tundra]

as of now it's like this imo
aurora/belfast/jintsuu mirror
aurora/ayanami/jintsuu against bbs

[charred sable]

Jintsuu / Sendai / Ayanami - Nagato love

Belfast / Aurora / Sirius - QE + Warspite retrofit love

[zenith tundra]

aurora buff is too strong for foxes tho

[charred sable]

Would you still use foxes with Nagato though? Or would you use Nagato + Amagi + ???

[zenith tundra]

sirius with hms is mostly unusable because only viable cv hms has is centaur and with only 1 boost is not really worth using sirius

namaga is strong but 3rd slot might be hard to fill for us

[charred sable]

RIP, no love for 2B boobies lookalike

If all else fails, Enterprise for third slot lol

[zenith tundra]

without taihou and hiryuu kai that are the obvious choices

[modern tree]

thinking of pvp comps in terms of "I can only rename my ships to memes once every 30 days" is some galaxy brain tier shit

[charred sable]

I mean, metas don't really change every 30 days (especially of you take into account the time to skill up the ships)

And if you're gonna plan your fleet ahead of time, you might as well have some fun with it

[zenith tundra]

nothing will really change with amakaga for now. sendai is mostly for cas

everything dies vay too fast to justify using her over blefast jintsuu aurora

[modern tree]

I change my pvp comp every 2 days because I get bored

[zenith tundra]

i'm talking about meta

[charred sable]

I feel like Sendai also isn't as relevant as she could be due to the lvl 100 cap

[modern tree]

I'd argue that everything I do is the most effective tactic available for the gimmicks I am using

[zenith tundra]

sendai is lvl 110 meta

[charred sable]

And they just released the classroom, so I can't imagine them raising the cap just yet

[zenith tundra]

u can change ur fleet to be the most effective against a comp and that's great but general usage is what people really use

we already got exp storage so w11 is either during wc or barely after

[charred sable]

Unless you have a bunch of spare lvl 10 full PvP gear sets laying around (which I don't cause I don't grind enough), fleet swapping on a per-enemy basis is a lot more troublesome than just resetting the fight one or two times for RNG

[zenith tundra]

that's what i mean

[modern tree]

I understand that I am an outlayer

[charred sable]

Though I do kind of wish that wasn't the case cause I definitely prefer non/less-RNG-based PvP

In my previous game I used to equipment swap for hours to take down entire enemy guilds by myself, so I kinda got tired of it

[zenith tundra]

i don't think ur doing the wrong thing i used to do that before +10 equip and oaths were everywhere

[charred sable]

I am slowly reaching the point though where I can spare to +10 non-aux PvE gear, so getting second PvP sets to swap between units without regearing isn't all that far away. And I'm definitely not a hardcore player in terms of amount of time spent grinding

[zenith tundra]

i'm tired of 8-4 map if maya would drop i could go fuck off from this map

[zenith tundra]

t2 general are a pain tbh. i have less of those then almost all t3

[coral wren]

Will Roon or Saint Louis be more useful for pvp when we get them?

[modern tree]

difference between Roon and Louis is that Roon takes time to reach her maximum power and Louis starts at maximum power and then winds down, I think you can figure out which one is better for pvp

[coral wren]

is ark royal a bad pvp choice? thought of using her in a wasd lineup, since she'd slow the vanguard down, and then the battleships would nuke them

Ty Daxam

[modern tree]

Ark is a funny pvp choice

I have some VALUABLE EXPERIENCE running it with wasd

[coral wren]

well, i like the idea of getting 25% booms, it's not that much worse than enterprise, i mean, still, it's way worse, but it's off-meta and hitting the enemy vanguard with snowballs for sure would be fun

[modern tree]

it does rather well, but shes fragile and applies her damage a little bit slow, which just exaggerates how fragile she is

If you can reliably make her survive until 2 strikes, whcih is rather easy if she's holding Beaver Badge, she usually wins the game

[coral wren]

also, is she good enough for pve? i guess she's good against the fidget spinner boss

[modern tree]

She has

[coral wren]

well, for pvp, x2 tenzan or x2 barracuda?

[modern tree]

a niche of having 2 torp bombers, can be used to either clear the screens on your trash fleet with cudas, or slay bosses with Ryuuseis

for pvp you'd use double cuda because otherwise you cannot time her slow to hit with BB fire

[coral wren]

i guess it's better to use x2 tenzan for sniping enemy backliners though?

oh, so it's a timed hit, thought it'd coincide

also, which boat uses the hsfcr better? washington or south dakota?

[modern tree]

I mean, I have not tried the converging torps so I am unsure how good they are

actually

[coral wren]

i'd use it on the latter because of the double damage

[modern tree]

I always felt like timing the slow so sodak can blow up the fronline with focused assault is more vauable considering cudas are going to deal a lot of damage to the backline either way with their fat bodies

[coral wren]

but isn't the barracuda bound to miss a few torps?

[modern tree]

I could try the converging torps

[coral wren]

unlike the converging ones?

the converging ones go for a stagnant target and backliners don't move

[dull hollow]

en doesnt have 2 good converging torps iirc

Unless u farmed a 2nd ryuusei like a madman

[coral wren]

well, tenzan x-x

[dull hollow]

tenzans are terrible

unrunnable

[coral wren]

why? low damage, slow reload?

[dull hollow]

slower reload lower damage much slower torp travel speed

[coral wren]

then what's the best setup? helldiver + 2 gold barracuda?

[dull hollow]

the best setup is not not work ark lol

but you would give her a fulmar or suisei

[modern tree]

Susei/Fulmar and double cuda

[dull hollow]

and 2 cudas

maybe mix in 1 818 in there

[coral wren]

susei = comet?

[modern tree]

yeah

[coral wren]

isn't 818 the centaur plane?

[dull hollow]

it stacks with royal

regardless ark isnt a good ship but you can use her for fun reasons

just expect to lose a lot

[modern tree]

you dont lose that much with it, actually

[coral wren]

i've grown bored of wasd, but no jintsuu yet so... x-x

[modern tree]

it's funny

you lose mostly to a mirror with E because you can't really compete at this timing

but it eats up foxes

[vague token]

i had success with ark until amakaga meta where she's too glassy without juneau

[coral wren]

well, that's what i mostly see

[vague token]

so i took her off the team xD

only takes 1 crit torp and she's dead from barrage + first strike before 20 lol

[modern tree]

ima try converging torps and see how they do, but I suspect the slow for BB shells is much more effective

[dull hollow]

lmfao

[modern tree]

shes not nearly that fragile considering second fox strike is eaten by aegis

[dull hollow]

if you play suicide fw you'd one ryuusei anyway

[modern tree]

its just the matter of sinking before that lawl

[dull hollow]

it's not that ark is viable, it's just that fw counters akaga which has been said countless times in this chat

if you left her in an HMS comp or whever it'd be a wash

[coral wren]

also, is hiryuu any good atm? or just wait for kai

[modern tree]

I played her in HMS and it was fine as well, but thats because Hood can kill a fox before second strike and not because Ark is any good

[coral wren]

i'd use her for surprise nukes

[dull hollow]

like in all honesty you could run hornet or yorktown with wasd and still have favorable results

in fw vs nakaga

or akaga in ur case I guess

[modern tree]

I ran Saratoga, it was okay

[zenith tundra]

use sakura torp only if u can shoot airstrikes on main fleet without vgs. they are slow and unreliable.

they'll melt enemy backlines but completely random with vgs around

[modern tree]

I avoid sakura torps because watching them all super overkill sodak is really depressing

[coral wren]

would hiryuu be an ok choice atm to counter akaga?

or wait for kai

also, does the ice block ability reset the airstrike counter once it triggers? or can you get 2 airstrikes if the time aligns?

[zenith tundra]

foxes are pretty much the only usable cv for sakura torp because of preemptive stike

[coral wren]

i guess, but for a wasd lineup, wouldn't it guarantee 3 airstrikes?

first one that hiryuu lives through with some hp, the 2nd that is from the ability, and if the time's right, 3rd

[vague token]

im getting good use on hiryuu, 15 second invuln soaks lots of damage and you get 3 strikes in 2 strike time period

about 50% damage boost

not bad for a solo

[coral wren]

immunity for 15 sec is quite a lot, i think it gets the 3rd airstrike most of the time

but idk if she's worth investing in without the retro

[zenith tundra]

it depends on what else u use she's pretty frail as of now @coral wren

[coral wren]

well wasd for now, hence my pick

[zenith tundra]

i think against amakaga might work but amagi would be better at that most likely

[modern tree]

define investment, because leveling a boat to a 100 and maxing a blue skill is like 3 days or so

[coral wren]

no no, i mean, enhancing her and all that

it takes quite a bunch of commons for that

upgrading equipment as well

[zenith tundra]

common ships drop as much as u can farm so enhance should be easy

[coral wren]

but will it be worth though

[zenith tundra]

idk no personal experience with wasd tbh

they are natural counter to foxes because of invincibility and high aa

[coral wren]

also, is it a bad idea to run beaver badge on enterprise?

[modern tree]

"worth it" depends on what else were you planning to do in that time, tbh. I didnt play wasd with Hiryuu a lot and I guess I should test it more. Some people here run her outside of wasd and swear by it

[zenith tundra]

beaver is good on bbs or cas or any ship u want to tank

[coral wren]

beaver on south dakota?

[zenith tundra]

cvs no

[modern tree]

Badge on Enterprise is fucking good and if people tell you otherwise they need to educate themselves on how Luck works. Granted, you might have other boats that you'd like to put it on, but that badge will make Enterprise obnoxiously tanky

[coral wren]

well, now idk what to follow x-x

i've thought the extra eva would allow enterprise to dodge a few first-burst torps, and a few kamikaze planes or a lobbing shot or 2

[zenith tundra]

i haven't seen an enty tanking anything outside of cloak then again entys this days are so rare

[modern tree]

generally people put it on Sodak because flagship position eats the most damage

[coral wren]

well, then i'll use it on her, the problem's that i don't have pearl's tears, since no arizona, that crybaby refuses to show up

[modern tree]

and the longer you keep her 5 second invincibility, the better chance you have it will just win you the game by existng

[coral wren]

which one would be a better fit for the badge then?

[zenith tundra]

at this point instead of putting it on enty i would put it on portkai to make her last a lot against foxes for stalling enemy vgs

[modern tree]

but because Enterprise has like 93 luck or something stupid like that, putting a badge on her will make her really fucking hard to shoot at

[coral wren]

well, my lineup atm is helena, belfast, juneau

should i replace helena with fortune kai or?

eldridge? i had fun with her

[zenith tundra]

does evasion work on touchdown dmg?

[modern tree]

it doesnt but Enterprise has 300 AA so she doesnt much care about touchdown damage, not as much as other CVs would

[coral wren]

also, for pvp, boiler or repair tools?

[zenith tundra]

depends on ur vg speed

it should still be fast enough to dodge bb shoots but not enough to collect all torpedoes on screen

it's actually pretty hard to setup properly and takes a bit of trial and error

[coral wren]

so, badge on enterprise or south dakota?

[elder crane]

Well, most backline AA is about the same anyways, and Enterprise is actually on the low end of things since she doesn't get the +45 from AA guns
Amagi, widely considered a "low AA" ship, has about 200 AA (after +45) vs 300 of Enty, which is a 9:7 damage taken ratio

Compare to an actual high AA ship, WASD, which is 400+ AA, which is then 11:9 damage taken ratio compared to Enty

[zenith tundra]

imo sd but if ur enty dies to torp/bb shoots put it on her

[elder crane]

Badge on Sodak imo isn't as useful since it doesn't help with damage taken through her skill

[coral wren]

well, that's what i was thinking of

but also, she can take the damage from friendlies instead of taking it herself because of the dodge

[zenith tundra]

what's ur vanguard?

[coral wren]

which would mean taking more for the team

juneau belfast helena, helena's the swapper

[elder crane]

Wash immunity means she can still tank all she needs though

[zenith tundra]

i would put it on belfast tbh

[coral wren]

as for 3rd backliner, idk, enterprise or?

[zenith tundra]

amagi

[coral wren]

for belfast i use repair tool + bulge, do i replace the tool?

is amagi better than enterprise vs foxes?

[zenith tundra]

beaver makes her pretty tanky tbh

[coral wren]

that's what i encounter the most problems with tbh, because of the jintsuu/ayanami bullshit

[elder crane]

Best eHP I think for Bel is Beaver/Bulge in most PvP environments

[coral wren]

ok, will use it on her then

so, amagi for 3rd spot over enterprise?

410mm or 406? i used 410 for the barrage

[elder crane]

What's your backline?

[coral wren]

wasd and flex enterprise/ark royal/amagi/hood/whatever else i got

[zenith tundra]

ur most likely to deal dmg on foxes with barrages and bb shoots then cv

[elder crane]

WASD amagi with suicide frontline would be my choice

[coral wren]

actually, enterprise would take 2/3 of them or even all down with a lucky proc, or essugee up

ok, but what to use for front? atm got these 3, thought of running eldridge instead of helena, or fortune kai to tank even more

[elder crane]

Enty vs Enty duels have traumatized me, never again Enty

[zenith tundra]

u need helena for enty to be brutal

[coral wren]

well if i don't use enterprise then eldridge trollery?

or fortune to make them brokeback

[zenith tundra]

jesus belfast fortune/portkai

[coral wren]

well, portland or fortune

[zenith tundra]

portkai does a better job at stalling enemy vg while fortune reduces dmg of main fleet. depends on what u need

[coral wren]

well, with wasd amagi, would i need even more tanking? doubt it, but what do i use on portkai, 1 repair tool + bulge or, badge? let's assume belfast runs the badge

[zenith tundra]

u need badge on ca for them to be viable

[coral wren]

well, then it goes on portland, badge + bulge or badge + toolbox?

another question, where do i use an extra gold aa until i get 2, amagi or portland?

i guess portland because of the higher aa

as for positioning? for backline always dakota center, but front? first belfast mid juneau or portland?

[zenith tundra]

also don't focus on 1 comp u can change things around to something that works better against certain comps.

[coral wren]

well, i use her in back here, didn't have problems

[zenith tundra]

belfast tank and port off tank for everlasting

[coral wren]

so, for juneau, what do i give her, bulge +? repair box or?

boiler?

[zenith tundra]

if ur vanguard gets easily hit by bb shoots boiler is better

[coral wren]

i mean, i'd see her more annoying with a bit extra speed

[odd schooner]

I stopped using port till i get a better main gun. Backline dies faster lmao

[ionic magnet]

new season later

no more dumb mistakes pls

[shy hazel]

time to get gensui again

[ionic magnet]

you said you will slacc after getting it once

[shy hazel]

its alot easier now

with meta fleet

no stress even

lost two charges

still got

[ionic magnet]

reeeee

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

atleast my foxes will be ready by next season

[shy hazel]

only sandbagging is stress now

[ionic magnet]

really happy i finally got them

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

in the same day too

heck in the same hour

[shy hazel]

remember i farmed pairs of foxes in two accounts

[ionic magnet]

crazy

i wont wake up at 5am now

gonna chill abit in sandbagging

but will try to win all matches

lets see

[shy hazel]

tryhard

[zenith tundra]

i should avoid sleeping so i don't lose attempts for nothing

[shy hazel]

you need like how many t3 books to max skills

was it 15 or 18

[odd schooner]

I should stop drinking at night so i won't doze off lmao

[vague token]

lol

[hot creek]

last season ended at 2582 points with one lost match. this season ended at 2580 with no lost matches. This is what happens when you flex too early and eat all the +9s

Maybe I gave someone on Sandy the chance to overtake r1

but I doubt it.

[dusk citrus]

hehe

[hot creek]

You on Sandy? lol

[dusk citrus]

ya hopefully i dont run into too many +9s

[hot creek]

Pog. Good luck, then.

[ionic magnet]

2550 with 3 lost matches

not bad i guess

[quaint ferry]

Close enough

[vague token]

just maxed leander smoke

now working on cruiser fp command

soooon

and i need another belgun xD

i guess since we at reset i can just toss leander in at 95, sneak some exp in with resets

[shy hazel]

smoke weed everyday

[vague token]

if only there was a third smoke timing

triple smoke team

xD

or main fleet smoke

;))))

belfast/start smoke/whatever the new smoke

[shy hazel]

a smoke that activates after 20 seconds

you need to dope up eldridge for that

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CNU71/4a4a83108e.png smoke weed everyday indeed

[odd schooner]

I forgot to change def

Also even if I did not miss points I'm still not gonna break the barrier

[shy hazel]

the effort

lol

[vague token]

oof

who would even be a possible main fleet smoke lol

[shy hazel]

cygnet

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

how do people get more power then this? it's bis equip for me

talking about amakaga

[ivory vine]

they use gold catas

or btd/comet

[zenith tundra]

eww

[ionic magnet]

yes 12.7k amakagas are so rare now

[zenith tundra]

i somehow have 2 in my list with that score but usually is never that

[buoyant parrot]

[versed atlas]

Has anybody else noticed an increase in damage output in PvP on EN?

I feel like very recently that my damage output increased significantly

I'm running enty + akaga backline and I seem to have required more than 2 runs from all the CVs

But right now if I fight against the standard enemy composition (or even WASD + enty) by the time akaga does 2nd strike the enemy ships are either dead or almost dead

[zenith tundra]

i can say that after a certain point i felt like mirror amakaga got so much harder for no actual reason

[versed atlas]

And I'm running Juneau, Belfast, Eldridge at the front so they're not killing off ships

I think there's some kind of a bug with either jintsuu or amagi (I'm leaning heavily towards jintsuu) because that's where I noticed it

Where if she's in the match with some combination all ships take much more damage

[buoyant parrot]

Jintsu = increases crit chance of torps.

[versed atlas]

Or maybe it's aurora? I'm not sure, but I know that my damage seems to have increased

But I didn't change a lineup

Only equipment has improved marginally

[buoyant parrot]

Oath at %200 also helps.

[versed atlas]

Only significant recent change in equipment I've had is that I went with oil tanks on all 3 of my CVs, but that was still before I noticed the damage output increase

Well, I don't have anything at 200 oath

[buoyant parrot]

Oil Tank = More HP for Planes = More Suicide Damage

[versed atlas]

I'm telling you the significant changes so that you get a background

I'm still fairly certain that this happened before

And I think only enty didn't have a tank before and she only strikes once in the time line ups seem to die

[buoyant parrot]

I don't see any radical change in damage output in my case. I've already min-maxed my PvP Ships.

[zenith tundra]

i don't know what changed but before u could use jintsua aya aurora in mirror and win by vg after that vg gets annihilated by foxes 1st strike. this could be related to aurora skill

but it does feel like foxes dmg is so much higher. i wouldn't necessarily go to bugs but considering how amagi barrage got bugged again in pvp maybe something else did too

[versed atlas]

Are images allowed here?

[buoyant parrot]

yup

[versed atlas]

So this is what it feels like

[zenith tundra]

pvp related yes

[versed atlas]

This is the event, no jintsuu

Enemy*

46 seconds in this I'd roughly what enemy is like in PvP, notice how much of my stuff is still alive (meaning I deal more damage)

[buoyant parrot]

we need numbers to crunch on.

[versed atlas]

Now let's look at a match where enemy has jintsuu

And