pvp

[zenith tundra]

i always run cube ones so not getting much out of them

[split socket]

those 8h 3k exp comms are so nice

[shy hazel]

sometimes i can run alot of normal long comms

if i finish all my daily comms

fast

i sleep with likr two 8 hour comms

not so bad

[serene knot]

out of curiosity.... currently in EN the meta revolves around Amakaga jintsuu+aurora backline, orwash + sodak + enty, and stuff like jintsuu + aurora or belfast + eldridge frontline...

how's in JP? What are the most used comps?

[shy hazel]

namagi

namagi freeslot in backline

oops

wait

ws kai era now

[zenith tundra]

ws kai + anything

[split socket]

q_q

[serene knot]

hmmm lol

[shy hazel]

jp cn pvp is a joke now

[serene knot]

ws kai is basically insane?

[shy hazel]

[serene knot]

why?

[shy hazel]

not insane

shes god

[split socket]

one (two?) shots ships 😐

[vague token]

if she shoots medium armor

say good bye

[zenith tundra]

13k dmg after 10 sec is a joke

[serene knot]

damn

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

she invalidates any defense fleet

lul

[vague token]

she steals doy's first salvo boost too

[serene knot]

interesting

[vague token]

like what even

[serene knot]

did the frontline meta changed after ws?

[split socket]

I wonder if namaga + ws kai works? Maybe not optimal but I don't want to switch to hms xP

[shy hazel]

i feel like everyone stalling

[zenith tundra]

i don't think any vg will save u 5vs6

[shy hazel]

so they put nanoda

didnt some ppl say here

namagi with ws kai

is meta

[ivory vine]

afaik ws kai w/ anything is meta

[split socket]

ripperino

[shy hazel]

i want ws kai to come here

so the onlt thing that will top ten u

[split socket]

pls no

[shy hazel]

is sandbagging

lol

[zenith tundra]

lol

[vague token]

inb4 pvp is just another farm

[split socket]

^ as if it isn't already 😄

[vague token]

shhh

[zenith tundra]

sandbag game instead of pvp sound ok

[vague token]

well, if they just said it it'd be ok

xD

[shy hazel]

hey

alot of ppl still lose to amakaga

u dont een have to do much effort to get ws

only kai ing does

in theory everyone can get her andckai her easily

[zenith tundra]

most likely u have everything for her kai by time of release

[shy hazel]

unless makagi which requures much morr

[split socket]

I think I'm ready

[shy hazel]

when u get those trash weekly

[zenith tundra]

i have 49 cruiser

[shy hazel]

and reduce your life a lil bit

[zenith tundra]

switching back to dd for t2 lol

[shy hazel]

i keep on refitting so im running out

for completion

china jintsu i lose 30 t3 bps

[zenith tundra]

i looked at wiki and only need 15 more t3 for all cruisers retro

[shy hazel]

i think ill have problems in cv department more

lol

sara bunnies kai

im out of purple,cv bps too

[zenith tundra]

i never really farmed x-4 outside of 3*

not even x-3

only dd for forever and recently cruisers

[shy hazel]

recently cleared danger levels for cvs

serious shortage

lol

idunno if hard runs being three runs only will help

3 chances to get double t1

[zenith tundra]

i'm kinda of dumb never bothered with danger level in w6 and only 6-2 at treat level 0

got today 6-1 to 2

[shy hazel]

im only in w5

[zenith tundra]

with 3 charges gonna take 3 days to lover it to 0 lol

[shy hazel]

world 5 got lots of good gold bps

worldl 6 got gold sg though

planning to do that soon

[zenith tundra]

i'm actually happy we get ryuujou event so i get something to farm again instead of maya

[shy hazel]

houshou too

[zenith tundra]

i have houshou

[vague token]

what's in the event for pvp?

[zenith tundra]

nothing really sp3 just drops some stupid planes. i'll farm more t3 plates tbh

[vague token]

kk

maybe someday they'll buff some planes to not be trash xD

for like pve, not just pvp

instead of cuda/helldiver

[zenith tundra]

i hate cudas being worse then rng based

[ivory vine]

make fairey fulmar a fighter

kthx

[zenith tundra]

well rip 2nd attempt

[ionic magnet]

3rd missed round

im losing hope

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna to use attempts as soon as i get them and just enjoy my sleep now

[shy hazel]

ripperino

[odd schooner]

I'm mising one lantern one manjuu monk to have 2 sets each

Got spooked so hard by ghosts

[ivory vine]

woah man watch out posting things like this

2spooky

[ionic magnet]

lmao

this is why people should buy gear skins

[odd schooner]

Can't use manjuu monks

Ye i spend a lot of time pvp

Even if i don't record things now

[ionic magnet]

im getting a lot of BB main guns tho

[odd schooner]

Unicorn

She NTDs

NTR

[zenith tundra]

too bad for maintenance because i really wanted to sleep today

still gotta wake up to send commissions

[shy hazel]

oh ye maint

i guess gotta use all charges

[stiff shoal]

why do people use low lvl fleets for defensive?

[finite valve]

cus ppl give 0 shit about pvp and just put them there for easy fight?

[stiff shoal]

Understandable.

[shy hazel]

they believe they can get more bonuses that way

[clear cloud]

is it true tho?

[shy hazel]

more less geared ppl will get to enter top ranks

in early season its true

late season not rly

[clear cloud]

im stuck at only getting 10pt now

[vague token]

i finally maxed bailey smoke

now i will max leander's smoke while she levels xD

[quaint ferry]

If we didn't had the ability to restart our excersice battles without penalty, more people would probably care about defensive fleet xd

[odd schooner]

They did what we have now so that people won't take it seriously

[vague token]

they just gotta admit it ;)

[shy hazel]

someone is addicted to smokes

[vague token]

shh, torps hurt my port kai ok

[charred sable]

Aurora / Ayanami / Jintsuu
or
Belfast / Ayanami / Jintsuu?

[hot creek]

Belfast / Aurora / Jintsuu

[coral wren]

Is this setup alright? or is there a specific ship I need to change?

[clear cloud]

Minnie out i think

[coral wren]

Any of these better?

[azure aurora]

Leander

[clear cloud]

leander
helena if you can somehow adjust akagi and kaga 1st shot timer to 20s
i think that's not possible so Leander

[coral wren]

so belfast + leander = smoke for days?

\ / a p e n a t i o n

[odd schooner]

@zenith tundra @elder crane @modern tree the secretary portrait will use base skin not even kai

Just informing you about the secretary gift

[modern tree]

Oh no, I guess I will have to look at underwear, woe is me

[hot creek]

I will get to see Honolulu blushing, as usual.

btw Daxam, I have surpassed you in # of attacks

this wasn't supposed to be a contest

but you made it into one

[vague token]

it'd be neat if there was an aux that could push skill procs to slightly different timings to open up more combos

like helena could be +/- 3 seconds activation time

so you could combo with fox strike 2 or something

[opaque lodge]

Something i could change about setup? (Specially frontline). I seem to loose a lot of fights against CV even

[finite valve]

against what CV to be exact?

[coral wren]

ooh a rare NC in pvp

[opaque lodge]

usually enty+whatever

[vague token]

15% reduction of 200% damage

[modern tree]

Just level your gear

[vague token]

isnt going to do much

xD

[finite valve]

eh the only CV are enty + foxes

enty well there are no counter

[vague token]

wat

[finite valve]

foxes you use belfap

[opaque lodge]

im working on amagi too, she is 93-ish

should i swap for NC once she ready?

[modern tree]

This comp is moderately fine, just really missing gear

[finite valve]

also the placement is wrong

port should be bot

SD should be mid

[hot creek]

I maxed a third gold cata and third drop tank for Hiryuu Akaga memes and completly regretted it.

[vague token]

ouch

[opaque lodge]

isnt wash better on mid for barrage placement? or its negligible

[vague token]

i have hiryuu with hood/amagi lol

[finite valve]

don't hiry need kai?

[modern tree]

Port in the back is fine. Sodak mid should help against foxes tho

[vague token]

for murdering amakaga? na, double strike +invuln wins

[finite valve]

no cus wash mid going to get rekt by amagi

[modern tree]

You should put wash in front of a fox to deal with them

[opaque lodge]

Gotcha. So Amagi or NC on that setup?

[finite valve]

i would say NC with that set up

like maybe?

[odd schooner]

It's better to sacrifice Nc

Than washi

[finite valve]

depend on how much your front get rekt basically

[odd schooner]

Oh i was referring to positioning

[finite valve]

that comp only purpose is to stall long enough so that backline can out tank akami dps

[opaque lodge]

portkai is fully decked out and usually survives for a decent amount. Other 2 depends on bomb rng

[finite valve]

you would still want SD mid anyway

that what i think

[odd schooner]

Ye

[finite valve]

since mid going to take the most damage

[odd schooner]

Top bot positioning depends on what usually gets blown by stray torp/airstrike torp

[finite valve]

only relevant against CV

[odd schooner]

Ye

[finite valve]

since he is using 3 BB not much of a problem

[odd schooner]

Oh right nc has same armor

Yepyep

[coral wren]

I’ve got a feeling nc is actually trash in pvp

[opaque lodge]

Seems to work fine. Sniped enty before she got extra strike off. NC keeps underperforming tho

[coral wren]

Even against cvs

[finite valve]

NC main job is to protect your other backline from taking "too much" damage

how you define "too much" is up to you

she have no other business aside from that function

[vague token]

15% is pretty... eh

why use that when you could just murder someone xD

[finite valve]

like i said up to you

[coral wren]

Exactly

[vague token]

or just have 100% all damage reduction on hiryuu ;))))

kek

[finite valve]

more like the person in question don't have anyone else to use

[coral wren]

Just bring hood or whatever and blast ppl

[vague token]

low damage just the same xD

[opaque lodge]

thats why i asked if she should be swapped out for amagi

also have hood maxed

and enty

not sure if it would be better tho

[vague token]

amagi works with basically everything i think?

besides double AR of course and other memes

xD

[finite valve]

well i did use wasd enty + helena when amagi was not max

so you could use her

[shy hazel]

nc has one of the highest raw,dmg in volleys

but she dont have barrage

so lol

but why not

she can,wipe fox planes to half

that depends on your overall aa though

[finite valve]

ppl failed to recognized that just cus she deal less damage then other boat does not = a boat is useless

same apply to jesus

you use a ship cus of their skill / function

not to deal insane dps

if they can do both then great

[shy hazel]

sad to say

pvp is offense and skill reliant

[coral wren]

I think when it comes to backline you pick ship for dmg

[shy hazel]

make noca kai and give her dank barrage

[opaque lodge]

extra question, what AA gun to use for those BB backlines. Been using 3x bofors i think

[finite valve]

like how they make WS kai a monster?

yeh iam not surprise that NC kai going to make CV disappear in 1s

3x bofors

but you need at least 1 113mm to mix up the range

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

like how they make WS kai a monster?
Made her deal more dmg

Not sure tho how many % did she get on her brg

[finite valve]

deal more damage and the ability to force a gang bang basically making sure the intended target got send to oblivion?

[coral wren]

But she vaporizes boats, and her focus fire additional effect isn’t even required

[finite valve]

yeh i think that is good enough

well if she is so good at sniping target why don't we see WS non kai in anywhere in pvp?

just the fact that her kai is what make her viable again in pvp is enough evidence already

[modern tree]

I use Warspite in pvp right now

[coral wren]

I doubt she is there for focus target

She doesn’t even need that

To one shot amagi

[finite valve]

well good luck trying to one shot amagi when she is at mid

or better yet why don't you use hms vs amagi foxes and see how much you win?

they are meta for a reason

[odd schooner]

For ppl who use javelin

[coral wren]

@modern tree is she able to one shot 1 fox rn with first salvo?

[modern tree]

My HMS has very high winrates vs Amakaga and I reset way more vs getting unlucky vs Enterprise than anything else. Warspite doesn't one shot anything, but she's currently not meant to do that

[coral wren]

well good luck trying to one shot amagi when she is at mid
If we had her kai version dmg then it would be all over for foxes, since she would just 1 shot 1 fox with first salvo, and then amagi with the second.

[modern tree]

Missing white shell to deal damage. Most damage Warspite does per shell vs Amagi debuff is 1400, and that's like lesd than a quarter of a fox

[coral wren]

It’s quite weird thing to say that you pick backline for their utility, and not dmg. At least, i do get that you want it to some degree with the help of cvs, but bbs are meant to kill shit

[modern tree]

Centaur

[coral wren]

Yeah, her for example

Or essex

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CM1i1/8d2e7e57bf.png tfw jesus lives too long

[shy hazel]

they should make some kindcof special debuff for noca

[modern tree]

And people use QE just for the buff still

[ivory vine]

essex and centaur still have statlines that let them deal damage

[shy hazel]

like enemy aircraft 40 percent less hp when ship is alive

lul

[ivory vine]

and technically centaur gives your other backliners a shitload of damage

[split socket]

cv are already at a bad spot q_q why the hate

[coral wren]

And people use QE just for the buff still
ye, but, the hms doesn’t have much choice rn right?

[dull hollow]

nocal already has an anti plane debuff tho

[shy hazel]

its quite well

memey

lol

[dull hollow]

problem is

nocal does 0 fucking damage

and FW already does 0 damage

so

not the debuff you needed

[shy hazel]

i mean she was the aircraft killer battleship of the pacific

[modern tree]

HMS does have choices, but they don't play into their gameplan at l so you end up just picking one that buffs your strategy instead of changing it around

[dull hollow]

hms ends up getting a lot of choices

you just

have none of them now

[shy hazel]

she should stay as a meme who deletes aircraft

[coral wren]

[shy hazel]

but morr potent

imagine a battleship that has anti air barrage skill

[modern tree]

Also, cvs barely exists in this game so making a ship that fucks with them specifically is rude af

[dull hollow]

the stupidass

air resistance stat

just gets worse and worse

[shy hazel]

lol

[dull hollow]

i think CV are still okay in trash clear

but if u try to bomb a boss

good fucking luck

[shy hazel]

pve cvs are

cant even aim at boss

[dull hollow]

cvs got so bad that we needed centaur and essex to revive them

[modern tree]

It's funny how cvs are decent for trash fleets but they get bombed to shit there so you just don't use them

[dull hollow]

cvs are better off in trash clear where the AA stat isnt so high

[coral wren]

essex is still quite okay, right?

[dull hollow]

but CVs arent used until w12 for trash anyway

[shy hazel]

my problem with cvs in pve is

[dull hollow]

because w10 and 11 have too many suicides

[shy hazel]

if boss moves then torp bomber are useless

[dull hollow]

yorktown can solo tank up into w8 or 9 tho

as ur last bastion of hope

yorktown is basically one of best CVs until w12 rolls around

for trash clear

[shy hazel]

yorktowb is noisy as fk though

[dull hollow]

and even still she's alright

[shy hazel]

[dull hollow]

i ran yorktown in w11 back in the day

[shy hazel]

jiyuu ni tameni

[dull hollow]

it worked alright

[shy hazel]

all day

[modern tree]

W10 is playable with cvs for trash clear, but your BB better be fucking good

[dull hollow]

eh

[shy hazel]

i used wash w 10

[dull hollow]

I relegated my BB to be a healer

[shy hazel]

pretty okay

[dull hollow]

and I cleared w11 with yorktown

[modern tree]

And its low danger level things

[dull hollow]

until you guys get 120 uncap

[shy hazel]

u used healer bb

[dull hollow]

the metaball comp for w11 still has 1 CVL

[shy hazel]

forgot the name of that one

[dull hollow]

arizona

being the only healer BB

[shy hazel]

ye that

[dull hollow]

she's t0 in her niche

[shy hazel]

lol

[dull hollow]

but if u dont need that niche

she's t5

[shy hazel]

maint time

[modern tree]

She has decent stats, but no barrage and dd gun is just

[shy hazel]

do we have a vanguard ship that heals

not by sacrifice

[dull hollow]

Belchan

[modern tree]

Not right now, but Belchan at some point

[shy hazel]

oh

[modern tree]

It's a really whatever heal tho

[shy hazel]

dank pure meme heal ship team soon

[split socket]

yukikaze too

[dull hollow]

Arizona is still some defense tho

Her niche more valuable in event hard modes tho

When u wanna run cheap front

But can't bring uni

Cuz ship lok

Or too many jihad for uni

I did so much event with ari and cassin

[shy hazel]

she can only use dd aux right

[ivory vine]

can we combine arizona and penn i think

[shy hazel]

no anti bomb gun

[ivory vine]

barrage and heal

[vague token]

arizona is pretty good with hyuuga for daaamage

[dull hollow]

Dd can intercept time

Fine

[shy hazel]

mmmm

[dull hollow]

And damage not too bad in event maps

It's mostly ur only option to babysit cassin if shiplocked

[shy hazel]

auditoriun huh

i think someone,said u can only get exp from world 8 above

is that even true

[idle python]

no

[shy hazel]

👀

[idle python]

20% of the exp you gain for lv 100+ ships goes into a exp bank in the auditorium

which you can use to train ships below lv 100 (the day of the week determines what class of ships)

[shy hazel]

more ships to passive lvl

wish we had exp boost in 2nd floor too

[idle python]

well it's 20% at max auditorium

since need to lv it up just like canteen and merchant

[shy hazel]

means costs gold

pogchamp

[split socket]

u need to be lvl 95 to max out auditorium for 20% tho

[shy hazel]

temporary goldsink again

[coral wren]

I think someone else posted here that NC had some decent skill, but devs butchered it before releasing fw

[shy hazel]

uh oh

im only 83

nc should deserve more lul

[analog hare]

Yes NC has a pair skill with sodak

[split socket]

nc deserves a bunny skin

lel

[dull hollow]

Nc got a buff

Not a nerf

Her aa skill didnt give her firepower

It gave like some damage resistance to sodak which was fucking useless

So they added the firepower buff

[shy hazel]

mmm

they should adjust fw ship skills again

well at least

minne is op at pve clearing

[dull hollow]

Fw ships so dogshit

Ugh

Na anti bias kapp

[split socket]

most ships are dogshit tho

[idle python]

was fun while it lasted but no point in using them with namagi now

[dull hollow]

Problem is fw ships

Are the bis bb for usn

And that standard when compared to nations

Looks so much worse

Well kms tied with that

[split socket]

Lol, at least usn has a meta fleet

[dull hollow]

But kms is ded meme

Usn strength is their cv which i guess makes sense

Tho idk much history about usn bb lole

[vague token]

no iowa class yet =(

[shy hazel]

i wonder how uss would look in the future

bb heavy or cv heavy

[split socket]

dedandgone

[shy hazel]

ijn maybe become bb heavy with yamato being the heaviest craphole in history

but shell probably be a loli anyways

[dull hollow]

Ijn already bb heavy

[shy hazel]

heavier 👀

shinano should be the last big cv that ijn should have

uss still has alot of essexes

[hot creek]

shinano gonna have less luck than Hood

[coral wren]

still better than taihou

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

lol no shells for core data shop

[odd schooner]

Welp

[coral wren]

👀

[lament lichen]

381mm

[subtle whale]

isnt that bb gun good?

[coral wren]

yes

[subtle whale]

what about the ca gun?

[coral wren]

according to oldfags it's very good

[lament lichen]

96 core data a day

[coral wren]

Like, you will use it on nagato and monarch, and probably on someone else

[subtle whale]

hood amagi?

sounds like a proc gun

[coral wren]

Ye, probably

I'm kinda sad anyway, the torp menace intensifies with the second rainbow torp

more cancer with torp vang

[zenith tundra]

wait u cannot save points for new shop?

most likely they ll do like jp. its gonna be bad shop for a while and 6/6

i want to know that too

[ionic magnet]

so if you forgot to buy?

[coral wren]

U cry and then keep farming next month

[finite valve]

1344 by the end of this month

only IF they don't nerf the tries to 3

enough for 1 hood gun

[ionic magnet]

[split socket]

1344?

[finite valve]

core data point

16x6x14 = 1344

[split socket]

isn't it 15 days left

[finite valve]

1440

still short on dildo

lel

[odd schooner]

Ye get 381 just to avoid getting insta gib on mirror

[zenith tundra]

did they fuck up somenthing?

i was at 0/10 before maint

[odd schooner]

I'm at 1915 10/10

Lead is at 1924

[modern tree]

Can we get 381 in 15 days? I am too lazy to math it

[coral wren]

damn not having gold barracudas hurts me like hell

im starting to get fucked by ppl with level lower than mine

[zenith tundra]

i know what happened... i tought i used all my attempts after losing the 2nd one but only used 4 because it only showed 4/10 instead of 9/10

[coral wren]

do y'all suggest i change my pvp fleet to a BB-heavy one

at least i can afford BiS on them

[leaden sequoia]

@modern tree in 9 days if you do w6 hard mode

[zenith tundra]

is core shop same for all servers?

[modern tree]

Cool, thank

[leaden sequoia]

Wash: oxytorp, 381mm, 4 T5 boxes, 4 T4 boxes, 4 T3 boxes, gold 203mm proto, XF5F Skyrocket

the only thing I have never heard of is the Skyrocket

[zenith tundra]

same in avrora

[modern tree]

Sandy has only boxes 381 and oxy, scammed

[zenith tundra]

scroll down

[modern tree]

Wait, it scrolls

[leaden sequoia]

Yes, like any event shop

[modern tree]

So I guess we all have the same things for now

So the only thing to watch out for this month is faster Amagi barrages

Or CAs

[zenith tundra]

how much are t5 royal? im at work couldnt really pay attention

[leaden sequoia]

500 CD

[zenith tundra]

eww

how many points u get with 6 hards?

[zenith tundra]

w7 hards when....

[finite valve]

pretty sure we get w7 when w11 roll around

[modern tree]

We seriously need new content tbh

[finite valve]

8 with 12

[leaden sequoia]

inb4 w11 + w7 hm release with WC kek

[finite valve]

just wait 2 more week lol

[leaden sequoia]

but nah, shouldn't happen this soon after Auditorium

[zenith tundra]

im pretty sure wont be togrther w11 and wc

[modern tree]

Auditorium doesn't really count as content

[zenith tundra]

maybe 1 week in wc but not from start

[split socket]

it is content, just not the right kind

[leaden sequoia]

well, it provides more incentive for farming with lvl 100 ships, so devs might want to wait until players get used to it

[finite valve]

not like there anything special in w11 anyway

[zenith tundra]

sendai

[modern tree]

Incentive to farm with lvl 100 ships is w10 having lvl 100 enemies tbh

[zenith tundra]

lvl 110 a lot for pvp

[finite valve]

i think sendai is too overkill for pvp right now atm

[modern tree]

Auditorium doesn't really change that you are putting yourself at a disadvantage by farming w10 with less than maxed fleet

[finite valve]

since most front die in 1 strike

with aurora

so no point in adding sendai

[modern tree]

It's never about pvp power tho. I would like harder content to play with and Sendai is just an incentive to farm it

[zenith tundra]

is w11 worth not raising cap on pvp ship instead of pve?

[finite valve]

w11 you going to need lvl break

[modern tree]

Besides, she's still reducing evasion rate for whatever damage foxes do without Nagato, so it's probably not going to break anything

[finite valve]

altho you can just full fleet + manual

[zenith tundra]

so should i pick pve or pvp?

[finite valve]

why not both?

[modern tree]

Play HMS and do both

[finite valve]

the res to lvl break them are cheap

there is even raid for the res

everyday even

[zenith tundra]

4sr ships arent really cheap

[finite valve]

600 for 1 SR from 100 to 110

1 week farming only daily raid give you 1050

not counting from dailies quest

also shop going to have chance of selling mental

so 2 week for 4 SR

yep cheap af lol

[zenith tundra]

so like half an year for my dock cool

[finite valve]

you are not counting the reward from event?

cus event going to also give ton of them

[zenith tundra]

i mean all ships i own and i never scrapped a ship that i didnt have coppies of

[finite valve]

then i am going to ask you this

what the point of rushing if you going to quit after reaching end game?

yes you not going to quit but the mentality is the same

[modern tree]

I can't wait to grind all my 50 pvp and pve boats to 120

[finite valve]

well JP and CN did

now some of them are sitting at 20k+ mental

so yeh

[modern tree]

They did. I am not really trying to be sarcastic, it's gonna be great

[finite valve]

[modern tree]

I love playing games

[zenith tundra]

more stuff to grind is welcome in al

[coral wren]

is prototype 203 any good?

[zenith tundra]

best he ca gun for now

[finite valve]

best HE gun for CA and best BB BC barrage type gun

318mm btw

with PR it going to change

[coral wren]

fuck, and yet we can choose only one in this month..

shit

[zenith tundra]

i dont use ca

[finite valve]

well you will once lvl break comes

[zenith tundra]

like 2 month after once im done with other ships

and i usually prefer skc on cas even if subotimal

[finite valve]

tbh the only one benefit the most from lvl break are CA

[zenith tundra]

my amagi is more useful then any ca i have

[finite valve]

consider that we have 0 CA that was built for pvp

no wonder lol

well PR do count as one but most of them was built for pve first and foremost

[zenith tundra]

still amagi can carry u in pve more than any ship in en

[modern tree]

Amagi never seemed that good in pve

I still wonder what justified cn just instantly slapping her in t0 but I suppose any decent barrage boat is

[finite valve]

i think is mostly due to her eva buff + lower fire damage

[zenith tundra]

have u ever used amagi in w10 at max trat level? well i did on 10-4 for mobs and after that tried with tirp instead and tirp died after 4 battles while amagi managed all 6 easily

amagi debuff plus reduced fire dmg makes her breeze trough w10

[modern tree]

The fire damage reduction is not nearly good enough to not run fire extinguisher if you need to avoid fires, shes fragile and has bad aa. I farm w10 with tirp exclusively, with 0 ammo, never had an issue

[zenith tundra]

is that tirp.on max treat auto only?

[modern tree]

Amagi made me play manual when I was trying her instead

[zenith tundra]

look i killed 2 large fleets in that clear too

[modern tree]

Okay, your anegdote stands against mine, neither of us is proving anything

[zenith tundra]

a main and a light

im just saying amagi survaibility overall is better then anything else

i never said riep is bad

iuse her a lot in w10

[modern tree]

Amagi doesn't deal with fire boats well enough and low aa makes her eat shit from planes. She's not better than Tirps straight damage buff. Dead enemies can't hurt you

[zenith tundra]

in w11 try both max treat level and see for urself

[modern tree]

I did it on both 10-2 and 10-3. I think I am good. Thanks. Only way I could justify using her is 4 ijn buff which I am never getting for my clear fleet

[zenith tundra]

ijn buff is trash in pve lol

[modern tree]

Which is why I will keep using better boats

[zenith tundra]

justbeing hateful against certain ships wont help anyone tbh but u can do whatever u want

[modern tree]

I think you are severly overestimating my supposed hatered for this ship. Please understand that 6k health ship with defensive buffs is not tankier or more effective than 7k ship with offensive buffs. I am sure I will use Amagi at some point, but not for w10 since my 2:1 fleet requires more damage than she can do at 0 ammo and my danger levels are already gone

[zenith tundra]

personal testing in w10 at max treat level is that amagi in same formation as tirp can survive longer then tirp

[clear cloud]

and we continue OWARIDA another 3 times

[modern tree]

[clear cloud]

both continue owarida 8 times

[hot creek]

Glad I never had to play Enty seriously.

[leaden sequoia]

so who owaridied in the end?

[clear cloud]

i kill him with fighter plane suicide

do i change from mk6 to 410 for bb when fight against owarida?

[modern tree]

it helps for wasd, it doesnt matter for HMS

[clear cloud]

I use WASD
how about fire control radar, currently equipped on SD

[modern tree]

its a weird call because you either drop the fcr to make her more tanky, but lose the opportunity to get in faster focused assault shots, or you keep it and shes one evasion aux down

probably straight preference

[outer stump]

Actually cranes outscales foxes pretty hard but the only drawback is that the foxes strikes first

I actually faced an Crane PvP and they actually did a pretty good amount of damage

And as I remember they killed my amagi

And left foxes whit half hp each

[modern tree]

Cranes do not outscale Foxes in a time that it takes to wipe fleets in pvp

[outer stump]

Well the timers

That's what I've said

But the damage is pretty huge

But they are slow

Yeah

[modern tree]

You said Foxes get outscalled, but they don't, it doesnt matter how much damage you do if you can hit your opponent an extra time instead. Cranes aren't bad but there's no time time to get to the big damage part, and SKK buff is just not quite enough to tank until that time

[outer stump]

I mean "outscale" by over all damage... But at reload timer sure foxes wins

I wonder if someday that mechanic will just be the past

[modern tree]

Cranes do not deal more damage than foxes tho

[outer stump]

@modern tree why u say so?

Still they dominate in pve

Tbh

[modern tree]

their skill gives 5% less aviation bonus while their stats are the same

and they launch 50% slower on first strike

how will they ever "deal more damage"

you lose S rank in pve before this "ramp up" is complete

you lose S rank before you catch up to Foxes in damage

[outer stump]

@modern tree zuikaku 15% less, Shoukaku 5% less but their late power is insane, Shoukaku buff helps a bit, Shoukaku has 4 Torp bombers and zuikaku 3 dive-bombers

But I want to tell that they have much damage than them, while they are constant

But for PvP ofc "who strikes first wins"

So

If the late fights could've be possible they could've won

[modern tree]

in fights that take 2 minutes, maybe

SKK is great and all, but running a duo is basically only EX mode thing

[outer stump]

Yeah... To fully stack Zuikaku 60% bonus damage whit planes

But the bad thing is she needs 4 airstrikes to gain full damage

So the 5'th will be maxed damage

Kinda fucked up but that's how it is

@modern tree not at all... In w10 to me they proved pretty useful

[modern tree]

I dont know if I should be triggered or impressed that you are using multiple CVs in w10

[outer stump]

Don't worry I take 2 BB team too

[modern tree]

PVP RELEVANT INFO THAT APPLIES TO PVE

AA stat decreases damage taken from plane bombs and content at w10 starts having pretty damn high AA stats which cuts into your plane damage a lot

[outer stump]

Huh?

Didn't knew that

But actually whit both I one shot an 3 BB wave

[modern tree]

This is one of the main reason WASD is considered fox hard counter, sides to having Aegis that times ideally with the strikes, they have 400 AA stat each

Obviously, CVs gain a lot from manual play because timing your strikes and stacking them will always be good, but for aut play, they are preeeeeeeeeeeeeeeety eh

[outer stump]

Hard counter? They are actually nothing against amagi as I saw

But idk why

Tested for myself and faced the others

But somehow their damage is too big

Like that 300 AA doesn't exist at all

Sometimes proc sd imunity in the first airstrike

[modern tree]

just like HMS fleet, I can say "works on my machine"

its not really productive tho

[outer stump]

Even tho I pick Juneau full BB team falls off pretty easly

Sometimes

[modern tree]

Optimising AA is hard and actually takes some thought, optimising plane damage is just equiping cookie cutter equipment and starting the game

while they do take reduced damage from planes, if they do not shoot down any, they will just have to eat the entire swarm and that's gonna hurt no matter what

When I use wasd, I can use about any third ship and do well vs foxes just because they do so well at not caring about their damage

wasd is rather dull tho, you just shoot the gun until things sink

[outer stump]

One more shot... Wasd and north Carolina

Idk if it will be as it looks but well

Trying doesn't kill me

[modern tree]

I just fought wasd amagi with juneau jintsuu and z46, add more AA

[shy hazel]

i used amagi to farm jint

very neat as mobship

got fire reduction skill with evade too

fire so fast she clears stage

barrage op

youll still need a backline healer to auto though

[zenith tundra]

why the hell do they give only oil away for mistakes... i'm stacked on oil and can't even use it because sp3 is bugged

i have almost 18k oil between canteen mission and mail wtf

and 5k gold....

[modern tree]

sp3 has all the rewards except for purple plates

it drops ships and bps just fine

and boss has normal boss loot, with purple plates

I farm it anyways

[zenith tundra]

idk i tried sp3 5 secs ago and only ships

[modern tree]

not like those bps are worth anything

[zenith tundra]

i care about plates tbh

[modern tree]

you probably killed spee 60 times with blue plates so eeeeehhh

[zenith tundra]

if it would drop plates i wouldn't really care

i did and was disgusted after that

[modern tree]

blue plates are about as good as no plates tbh

[zenith tundra]

couldn't even try for another quad

still the problem is that is a bug

[odd schooner]

I did 2 quad

Too much oil

On this event I'm just raising 3 china ship affection

[zenith tundra]

i spent 1k gold on food earlier because my canteen was full

[modern tree]

That's also a lot of oil

[odd schooner]

Ye

My canteen is overflowing so gotta use a lot

[modern tree]

Chinese wall is such an overkill

[odd schooner]

Then stack before WC arrives

Ye 36 oil

[zenith tundra]

i'm farming with qe belfast lol

for their oath

[odd schooner]

Ye

Affection raising

[zenith tundra]

i want to finish qe hood and belfast before wc

but not sure if i can

[odd schooner]

Do it

A lot of ppl fawning over 2nd oxy

[zenith tundra]

i want to farm sp3 and it's bugged

[odd schooner]

Ye no loots

Just walk it away

50 runs later you're back at normal worlds

[zenith tundra]

i got 1 ship x battle earlier and now nothing lol

normal worlds eh... i don't want to go back to 8-4

[elder crane]

Just 7-2 gold farm for Auditorium and Hatsushimo

Though, if you really want to, SP3 boss still has rewards apparently

[hot creek]

can never have enough ufos anyways

[zenith tundra]

i have 1 lol

[elder crane]

Yep, every UFO I've had to farm

3 total so far

[zenith tundra]

i just wanted to get rid of some oil in sp3 because maya farm is pointless

[hot creek]

same, ive three and none of them dropped from boxes

[shy hazel]

got lots of ufo from boxes

like 4

but never got a hellcat

[zenith tundra]

sakura has been really nice to me... before ce i had 0 twin 100 gold now 6 and only 1 from farming c1

got hatsushimo in a 3 build wtf

[shy hazel]

pog whule im here so mad

130 builds no trashishimo

[finite valve]

you can just wait / skip her

since they say she going to be permanent

[still kestrel]

I'm saving cubes for sirius, and they're going to addi it permanent sometime anyway

[shy hazel]

i dont want to wait a year for that

when al dev says theyll add it in perma pool in the future

it takes years

some ships arent even in the perma pool even after a year

[hybrid tendon]

130 builds

yikes

my 400 builds mullany come back to me

and give me hatsu in 17 build

or was that 15

[coral wren]

They could make acceleration less painful by adding ships to pool right away after the event, so ppl wouldn’t complain about having shit luck when rolling and they need events to be 1 month long

[hot creek]

gib Centaur

[modern tree]

It honestly feels kind of bad knowing that all the things to make HMS experience better are here, but I will end up waiting a month or so to get them all. Core data is so slow

And so is wc release

[leaden sequoia]

Re core data: at least we already knew how the core data mechanic works from looking at JP/CN -- people over there had to experience this first hand, and I bet they were much saltier than us, but still had to go along with it for 11 months by now

I can only think of the Akashi Questline that was slowed down because of this, I think there were other situations where 6 HM was better than 3 HM disregarding other differences?

[modern tree]

Time gates feel the worst in a grind game. There's nothing to do but stare at the 381 for next 2 weeks and then hoping we get shells, then staring at those for 2 weeks

And the shop takes a month to reroll so if next one is trash, then core data might as well not be there

[hot creek]

if you hate time gate that much, wait til you'll see PR

[modern tree]

PR has things to do about it other than beat a boss 3 times daily for 2 weeks

[leaden sequoia]

True, time gates feel punishing for players that prefer a grindy gameplay to a casual one. Still, it does make me feel a little better that I get to experience the same thing as other servers because then I can rely on devs consistenly applying same rules to every server

This might be me being optimistic, but this also means if other servers have an unfair advantage, EN can get something out of it

Though this fact mostly applies to the EN that has already catched up to CN/JP

[hot creek]

I'm going to be r6 with 5/10 charges. Dammit sandy, I can't even get +11s anymore since all of you just sit from 0/10 through 10/10

[ionic magnet]

i definitely prefer time gates over farming a ship with 0.75% chance boss only-drop

[leaden sequoia]

I just rush 5 runs 10-15 minutes before reset if I can't get +11s at all

Hopefully someone in that timeframe will be sufficiently high scored to get +11

[coral wren]

i kinda enjoyed farming 10-4. Tons of exp, fast oil spending, purple parts. What's not to like

[modern tree]

I was rather optimistic after crimson echoes,but we are still waiting for any official word on wc, and it is already done in other regions. We also have to wait forever for retrofits and while it's cool Sims is finally getting one, I will be happy if I see it this year

[hot creek]

ohshit. the match making gods have decided to give me a free +11 after one match

r5 here we go

[ionic magnet]

10-4 eh lets see..
tons of exp (for my lv 100s sure)
fast oil spending (so i cant do anything at all after 7-8 runs)
purple parts (yeah i can get 2-3x more in 6-1 or smth)

[hot creek]

i manual'd all of W10 fun times.

[coral wren]

Well, i was running lvl 90 ships after clearing threat level

[hot creek]

lmao I just had to burn my last three opponent refreshes just to avoid a +9

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

so i cant do anything at all after 7-8 runs
Exactly! That's the point 😄 at least for me it's a good thing so i can attend to other matters
About parts, well, from what i remember 6-1 has shitty light spawns, while 10-4 spawns cvs and bbs for the most part

[ionic magnet]

we prolly have a very different definition of enjoyment. you enjoy something but you want to do it fast so you can get to other matters.

[subtle whale]

hm is 3 run now

[ionic magnet]

oh we got 3/3

i thought it will be 0/3 cos we got 6 yesterday

it was - 3/3 a while ago too

[hot creek]

they didn't double the core data drops feelsbadman

[subtle whale]

o 16 x3?

[ionic magnet]

wait 48x30 is 1440 only

[ivory vine]

yes

we dont have w8 hard

[coral wren]

hm is 3 run now
lol, why did they take away 3 runs

[ivory vine]

with w7 hard you could get an oxytorp each month

but w6 you cant

[ionic magnet]

[ivory vine]

if i had to id manual world 8 hard every day for the core data

but they dont wanna give it to us

[hot creek]

manual4lyfe

[ionic magnet]

world 7 first

[ivory vine]

i mean

if they give us both

id just skip to w8

[coral wren]

Dude, how am i supposed to farm retrofit parts with only 3 attempts

[ivory vine]

you get 2 retro bp each run

the aids stuff is if you havent done akashi quest

[ionic magnet]

arent you being too optimistic

getting both w7 and w8

[ivory vine]

or you are just starting to clear the map it takes longer to 3*

apparently expecting any permanent content quickly is too optimistic

[ionic magnet]

tho its been awhile since we got w6 hm

[ivory vine]

i really just want them to give us research already

cuz it takes a while to unlock the botes anyway

[zenith tundra]

at least we can sp3 now

even with w8 hards u don't really get that much also we should hopefully get w7hards soon enough

[ivory vine]

w8 compared to w6

is 25% more

[zenith tundra]

even with w8 u only get 1800 per 30 days so u can barely afford an oxy

[ivory vine]

it's better than not affording an oxy

id rather oxy + 300 points

than 1440 points

[zenith tundra]

we just have to wait tbh... core data was never suppose to be a fast equip thing

just extra rewards for hards

[zenith tundra]

oxy torp bulge sounds better imo

dd use oxy toolbox even in pve

so it's kinda of obvious setup for them

they added core data in daily/weekly too just noticed

it's 5 daily and 15 weekly

so like 50 extra per week

u can afford oxy torp with that in a month

1440+200 we get like around 1640 per month

[ionic magnet]

so ~6 months for full 6 oxytorps meme

[zenith tundra]

5 u should aready have 1 from vdir

unless u dont

[ionic magnet]

sadly i started playing just after neptunia

[zenith tundra]

u missed the worst event in the game so it's fine

(neptunia)

[ionic magnet]

o lol

black heart is ❤ tho

[zenith tundra]

is just as bad as cny and neptunia ships are even less usable then anshan lol

[ionic magnet]

i guess

im mostly salty i missed vdir and fw and avrora

wonder when will we get reruns

[zenith tundra]

i think the fact that i started early and have yet to miss 1 limited ship is my biggest motivation in this game

most likely around same time as original run

[ionic magnet]

hmm by that time i prolly wont need wasd anymore lol

aside from collection

[shy hazel]

hatsushimo is a bitch

140 cubes still not here

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

shes only a damn rare

🔨

[zenith tundra]

nagato should be soon enough so rip wasd

[ivory vine]

i got her in 2

[ionic magnet]

1.5% is ssr rates

[shy hazel]

there are rumors nagato event is after

wc

[ivory vine]

but no tai yuan in like 300

[shy hazel]

i wont buy cubes for this bitch

[zenith tundra]

even so it should be in the next 2-3 months

[ionic magnet]

forget nagato i want jb

[shy hazel]

but im gonna need to buy 200 for wc cos im sure i wont have enuf

[ionic magnet]

reeee

[shy hazel]

considering i have almost 0

jb is pve only

nagato is everywhere

[ivory vine]

they might be holding certain events to sync with reruns specifically

[zenith tundra]

nagato might be the most used pvp ship in al tbh

[ionic magnet]

jb is waifu nagato is illegal

[ivory vine]

cuz isss and iris havent been rerun yet

[shy hazel]

lets assume

[ivory vine]

jb is good waifu

[shy hazel]

itll come on bastille siege day

cos en

[zenith tundra]

but iris was in the summer

[shy hazel]

who knows

lets say july

[ivory vine]

idk im fuckin lost on what theyre doing

cuz we waited so long for wc

[shy hazel]

they're deleying cn

and rerunning in jp

[ivory vine]

like

[shy hazel]

to match kr and en

i just fucking hoped they didnt release this hatsushimo shit

cos im so pissed

[ivory vine]

wc is over in other regions

[ionic magnet]

wot theres kr version

lol

[shy hazel]

why am i forced to roll limited trash

🔨

[ivory vine]

we havent even started

[zenith tundra]

just forget about what they do and just play it. no point in bothering with what devs decide because we cannot change anything

[shy hazel]

well we got ryuujou event 1 month later

[ivory vine]

i want muh fuckin baguette event reee

[shy hazel]

so we can assume we get the events they get

with at least a month delay

[ivory vine]

we were only like a week or something behind on ce

[shy hazel]

ce way early ye

that one is special

[zenith tundra]

eventually we should be on same schedule with jp/cn

[shy hazel]

we technically skipped ryuujou mini event to get ce fast

but now we got ryuujou after ce

lol

[ivory vine]

why not just run wc instantly instead of aids light build meme

[shy hazel]

yea i fkin prefer rolling limited pool

than light pool

its pure cancer

[ionic magnet]

[zenith tundra]

because cn/jp got that too

[shy hazel]

reeee

[ivory vine]

hell didnt cn/jp run cny event while wc was still up?

[shy hazel]

ye

but the thing is

[ionic magnet]

just when you thought we are getting breaks before big events

[shy hazel]

they only needed to get like 3 new ships

cos they alrdy got the others long time ago

so less things to roll

while we all gotta get em all

[zenith tundra]

light build is also not total useless in jp/cn like en

at least they have some good sr

[shy hazel]

they shouldve just said

to put the damn hatsushimo on perma light

why 6 days for a free monthly ship in cn

[zenith tundra]

from a business prospective more limited ship more people whaling for them

[ivory vine]

i want world 11 for sendai/monty

[shy hazel]

reeee

[ivory vine]

also really wish they would drop research on us

cuz the botes take a while to farm anyway

[zenith tundra]

we got all non event stuff same as jp so forget about research before w12

[ivory vine]

i mean

give w12 too

fuqin just give me something to do

[zenith tundra]

no thank you tbh. i want w11 not w12

[ivory vine]

w11 would come with it

[zenith tundra]

w12 would be totally useless in en

right now

[ivory vine]

i mean

id have something to do

level ships up

clear the missions

[zenith tundra]

w11 needs to come and we'll have to level the whole dock so just enjoy the break till then

[ivory vine]

farm a bote thats actually good again

unlike farming shit like maya

[zenith tundra]

eh it'll only get harder to find time to farm old ships if u wait too much

[shy hazel]

i only need 2 ships now

honolulu and niizuki

then there is this cucc hatsushimo refusing to come out

im out of cubes

[zenith tundra]

save for wc

unless u want to whale

[shy hazel]

im gonna use all cubes till it goes out

im gonna whale for wc

[hybrid tendon]

How much did you burn

For NY

[zenith tundra]

i wasted around 120 cubes for cny....

[hybrid tendon]

400 here

Goddamn mullany

[odd schooner]

@zenith tundra 2 fren missed some atk ytd

It screwed mostly SEA

[zenith tundra]

i'm trying to understand what u wrote but can't seem to make it out lol

[odd schooner]

They missed pvp tries due to gmt+8 time zone

Patch ended 10pm

For them