pvp

[dull hollow]

so you can get 3 or 4

[ivory vine]

[shy hazel]

for even memeier 3 cvs

pvp team

[dull hollow]

essexe centaur is a legit comp

but ull never see dogshit CN players pick up on that

[native mantle]

wtf i encounter'd a opponent named "lolicon150cm"

[ivory vine]

too bad i have to wait for essex to come out

[dull hollow]

and centaur

[ivory vine]

i was assuming she'd come before essex

but maybe not

[dull hollow]

golden age of pvp was killed off anyway

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

warspite kai

new dark age

3cv comp is dead

[ivory vine]

maybe they'll just wait for a while on ws kai

[dull hollow]

nakaga is dead

[idle python]

I don't get why the cn pvp tier writers never tried out centaur

[ivory vine]

or maybe they'll just drop her early and rip pvp

[dull hollow]

even with CN pvp being coded differnetly

u would think that at least centaur slow is the same

idk

maybe with the loss in damage from cv it's just not worth

cn pvp got exposed when FW released in JP

[idle python]

iirc they had essexE Sara on the PvP tier list for a short moment

[dull hollow]

imagine running saratog

[idle python]

But never put in centaur

[dull hollow]

omegalul

tho

a couple of higher tier pvp players in cn

on discord say they use centaur

a lot

so probably just guide publishers are baddies

[ivory vine]

i saw some vids of essexe w/ centaur

idk why people would run sara when centaur exists

[dull hollow]

essexe centaur can oneshot

Junny belfast frontlines

with no debuffs

on ur side

it's gross

[idle python]

Yeah "en cn" compared to "bilibili cn players" tend to have pretty different opinions from what I see

[ivory vine]

i looked at a few vids of essex comps

w/ sara it was pre pathetic tbh

but centaur made it so fuckin good

[dull hollow]

centaur buff + centaur slow

i should play that comp

for a nother day

before warspite kai takes over entirely

every day

another one pops up

[shy hazel]

are we getting fa on avrora later

[zenith tundra]

fa?

[ionic magnet]

fleet admiral

nope 2 more resets

[zenith tundra]

i still don't have top 100 yet

[shy hazel]

zack sandbagging as usual

[zenith tundra]

i won't even try to get any of the bonuses till end season

[coral wren]

before warspite kai takes over entirely

Isn’t it still a meme in def?

I don’t quite understand all the fuss around it

[zenith tundra]

she's not a meme on def outside of hms fleets imo

[steady walrus]

is amagi + akaga/ ayajintsuu + 1 still one of th ebest comps for pvp?

[zenith tundra]

in en yes and aurora is a must for akaga tbh

[steady walrus]

rip

still no aurora

[zenith tundra]

even after cny... u must be really unlucky lol

[steady walrus]

well i did get a fubuki so i got something

but aurora still eludes me

[zenith tundra]

use belfast till u get aurora then

[steady walrus]

yeah i'll probably do that

[shy hazel]

we should be getting sirius soon

maybe will be a good alt for aurora too

[zenith tundra]

u can use sirius but she doesn't really fit with torp vanguard

[ionic magnet]

how much pts does top rankers have at end of season usually?

[zenith tundra]

2600+

[hot creek]

unless you're on Sandy. Then its 2580~

[ionic magnet]

hmm prolly cant make it this season

[shy hazel]

told u hooloo u can,genrush

[ionic magnet]

think ill end up around 2580 yea

[shy hazel]

but not top 10 on last reset

lol

those ppl wake up in middle of the night just to get points

[ionic magnet]

[hot creek]

I ended at #1 on Sandy with one match lost last season

[shy hazel]

cos thats sandy

[ionic magnet]

i got lazy camping this 2nd half of the season

[shy hazel]

i dont even bother

too pain to wait for measly plus one

[hot creek]

You can only sandbag to a certain point at Sandy because late season you literally cannot get any bonus points since everyone else is so behind. You start getting into top 10 with 5/10 attemps.

[zenith tundra]

wtf is this trash

[coral wren]

[ionic magnet]

looks normal to me

[zenith tundra]

i haven't seen a royal box in the shop because all we get is trash

[shy hazel]

go get the skin box

i never even buy those things

[zenith tundra]

i'm sitting on 78k gold and nothing to use it on the whole day

[shy hazel]

do some refits?

or build lights for kamikaze hatsushimo tom

[hot creek]

im at 98k with natural regen capped and wasting.

nothing to spend on anyways

so im stockpiling for WC

[ionic magnet]

get some gear skins 👌

[zenith tundra]

sure levels grows on tree and all my ships are ready for refit

[shy hazel]

srsly

wc still so far

u wasting all those golds

[zenith tundra]

i've been running 24/7 since graf spee event ended the 4.5k gold comission

because literally nothing to do other then waste some oil on maya

[shy hazel]

i dormwd all reffitable ships

can refit almost all if not for purple bps and gold

[zenith tundra]

is not like i actually care about collection rbh

[shy hazel]

aiming for 100%

[zenith tundra]

fuck 100% without avrora

[shy hazel]

what gold bp can we farm in ryuujou event

[elder crane]

The shitty japanese gold bomber iirc
At least it should give purple plates

[shy hazel]

nvm lol

guess ill use the event to lvl up some,ships

[odd schooner]

Suisei

[outer stump]

[buoyant parrot]

[coral wren]

2 golden barracudas, finally

[shy hazel]

pleb u should have at least 3

for full cv backfleet meme

[coral wren]

rng in this kusoge is fucking me right in the ass

17 royal boxes opened, and 2 barracudas is all i've got

[shy hazel]

royal t4 box senpai needs more attention

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CLtad/55682d3ea5.png

[shy hazel]

i din know

dax is sandy too

or was it washington

[modern tree]

I am sandy and this is me hitting 250 with 5/10 while 5 games down this season

This server is something special

[hot creek]

can you reach 1770+ score this reset?

[modern tree]

If I dump all my attempts I should be able to hit it

1727 atm

[hot creek]

👌

is Vampy going to be your valentine?

[modern tree]

We have been through a lot, it's only fair

[hot creek]

too many waifus to choose from. why must they let us choose only one for V day

[ionic magnet]

valentine thing is after this reset?

[hot creek]

Nah. On the 14th after maintenance

[ionic magnet]

oh alright

im gonna go back to my first oath

hood it is

[hot creek]

you'll get a unique letter from whoever was your secretary ship.

[shy hazel]

i just max leveled avrora skill

ima try using her for offense torp memes

lets see

[coral wren]

valentine without Monarch
daga kotowaru

[clear cloud]

you only need akagi

[hot creek]

thank you for your service 🙇 https://puu.sh/CLuxG/0eedfc7c01.png

[dull hollow]

aye is ppl shittalking suisei in this chat

[ionic magnet]

who is suisei

[dull hollow]

unfairly bullied divebomber

[coral wren]

comet plane

[shy hazel]

meme plane

[ionic magnet]

[ivory vine]

fairey fulmar is an unfairly classified fighter

[vague token]

you mean as a dive bomber? xD

[ivory vine]

yeah

[dull hollow]

fulmar is at least a fighter in kc

[odd schooner]

I used suisei to efficiently farm vdir

[bronze raven]

[formal yew]

i fought someone with 2 monitors on each side. they died

memer

[zenith tundra]

low hp ships in pvp are really bad plus bad armor

[elder crane]

They just have no defense against anything faster than their timing
Plus, I don't think their barrage hits hard enough to matter much

[zenith tundra]

also rip me i have to lose a match ffs

[formal yew]

monitor barrage directly hits in front tho

[elder crane]

It needs to hit hard enough to kill to matter, since there's almost no way they live to 2nd barrage

[zenith tundra]

the only thing light armor stops is ws kai and most likely monitors still die to her barrage

[elder crane]

But the main issue is still that they're too slow and squishy, and so can't make it to their barrage

[formal yew]

poor monitors

[buoyant parrot]

good season

[odd schooner]

@zenith tundra what did you do

[zenith tundra]

eh just farmed w10 a bit to try 410 vs 406 and unequipped aux on amagi + beaver on jintsuu and got wreckt in mirror

i don't get it if it's amagi barrage bug or what but mirror is starting to get hard

maybe should just use belfast instead of aya as everyone else

plus still no gold barra so i go after opponent akaga

[modern tree]

Ayanami is a meme on offense. Torps are twice as threatening on defense

[outer stump]

I never understood what does you guys mean by "meme ship" an good ship or a bad ship?

[zenith tundra]

the problem is that i find mirror really hard tbh.

plus aya really only shines against bbs

[leaden sequoia]

meme worthiness is orthogonal to the gameplay quality, imo

for example, Amakaga/Jintsuu/Naka/Sendai is a fox meme fleet

even though 5/6 of the ships there are top-tier

[shy hazel]

memes are weird but useful

[modern tree]

I usually mean "meme" as narrow application. It's good in circumstances that aren't present or are hard to set up. Ayanami is really good on defense because her torps have good chance to hit either front or back. Offense is much harder to pull off because of the distances

[shy hazel]

aurora avrora jintsu memes for me

the 35% more vanguard dmg is dank

but she dies as fast as she kills

shell make your vg alot slower too

so lol

[zenith tundra]

the problem with aya def is that u cannot use 4 ships. aya needs jintsu and u need belfast aurora to be relevant

[elder crane]

If it's for amkaga, Juneau>Belfast imo, the health pump and much higher AA damage helps more than just smoke

But yeah, it's hard to slot in Aya. I'd say just go full offense in that case, with Jint/Aya/Aurora and try to win by killing everything, or just drop Aurora.

[zenith tundra]

im thinking more like belfast jintsuu aurora with this setup
belfast bulge badge
jintsuu bulge oxy
aurora bulge tear

what i noticed in these mirrors is that my vanguard dies really fast and either is a draw like both vanguards die at the same time or enemy vanguard lives because of belfast. and then its amakaga va amakaga and i lose because the lack of gold barra. i need my vanguard to get in front of enemy main fleet

[split socket]

why not just go full offense bel/aya/jin or bel/aur/jin?

or well not full offense smh since bel but it's tanky enough and dish out enough dps without having to worry about any other def comps

[bronze raven]

I bored using fox sisters...
Crane sisters best change ma mind...

[modern tree]

I don't really like Aurora for foxes because believe it or not, Belfast smoke is rather effective at reducing the impact so you end up just using her for torps and torps are bad on offense

She feels quite overhyped in general, but maybe it's just foxes missing power to slam it down with her help

[zenith tundra]

belfast has a 35% dmg reduction against airstrikes. aurora only partially mitigates the smoke effect

i wouldnt rely on torp to save my life

[odd schooner]

Well that works

[zenith tundra]

they are more random then rng

ill try whitout aurora for a change and see for myself

[odd schooner]

I just go back and forth with ships tbh

[zenith tundra]

yeah i should change like that too. i know that aya is better against bb but belfast smoke is so good against foxes

[odd schooner]

I just prepared them

That's why i farmed an extra mag on spee

If i need aya just switch

If not then Belfast

If I'm in deeps juneau

If i just want enemy Enterprise to be a plaything i just slap Eldridge remove one fox

[bronze raven]

[zenith tundra]

also the thing that i dont really get is why im having trouble only recently because i never really lost mirror in so long and not consistent struggle like this last day. maybe amagi barrage bug is at fault here

[odd schooner]

Means you encountered the unlucky streak

[zenith tundra]

literaly all mirrors is my vanguard dead by akaga airstrike

[odd schooner]

Ye that will happen a lot of times

You should've made more than 25 samples

It changes midway

[bronze raven]

Juneau come to save~

[zenith tundra]

id rather use belfast the juneau. juneau is good in a def comp where u want ur main fleet to outlast opponent. i want to just outlast vanguards so my vanguard can eaily kill enemy amakaga

[odd schooner]

I use bel cause she has my quint rainbow and she's on both offensive and defensive so ye

[bronze raven]

Welp my vg focused on defensive..

[zenith tundra]

ill use quint on jintsuu with oxy too

[odd schooner]

Mine more on def

Even my Beaver is on def

[bronze raven]

I let main f*** em all..

[odd schooner]

I just need to stall at least more than usual

[zenith tundra]

i cannot win mirror amakaga only because of lack of gold barracuda

[odd schooner]

Doesn't matter if they die or something like never won at all

Oh yes that

[bronze raven]

[odd schooner]

Gets worse if they get aviation fuel too tbh

[bronze raven]

takeoff reduction

[odd schooner]

No

Flight speed

[zenith tundra]

i was sitting in 88k gold when i woke up and shop still useless

[odd schooner]

Dw

Lecture hall needs gold to upgrade

Kinda expensive too

[bronze raven]

[zenith tundra]

whatever

is not like i use it eitherway

[odd schooner]

Actually just wait for 818

Oh wait cuda is a necessity

[zenith tundra]

is it faster or slower then gold barra?

[odd schooner]

Slower

Just wait for WC plane

Same speed i think

Weaker dmg

[zenith tundra]

well not like i have options right now tbh. all my royal boxes are memes for me

even considering going for 100k farm lol

in wc for t5s

[bronze raven]

Helldriver, Aichi, Pirate n Bara still at da best..

[odd schooner]

searchal Blackburn_Firebrand

[hidden wyvern]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/index.php?title=Special%3ASearch&go=Go&search=Blackburn_Firebrand

[odd schooner]

Still slower

Rip

By a second

[bronze raven]

Cuda change ma mind

[odd schooner]

Time to modify planes like using fulmar

German plane

Just to be on par with speed

Just go back Washington for now

Watch everything die in shells

[bronze raven]

[zenith tundra]

hope doy will work tbh

if not just gonna reset a lot

but belfast should be enough to make sure i win vanguard fight

[bronze raven]

Welp my loli is calling...
Cya~

[zenith tundra]

also now that i thibk about it all those 13k amakaga memes are not good to try stuff out maybe im just finding now good amakaga bis comps

[modern tree]

HMS is fine now if you have equipment and shells should put it up to good again. Still wondering how good doy will be

[zenith tundra]

ill definitely jump the hms train if it works. im just worried about amagi and her broken buff/debuffs

[modern tree]

Amagi only really messes with HMS when ran with wasd, cuz then your trades are weird and you can just lose to rng. Shouldn't be as much of a problem with shells cuz you should be straight outdamaging them then, but we will see

[zenith tundra]

that miss chance is a thing and im worried u might not be able to contain amakaga + torp dmg. vanguard might die vay to easily

[modern tree]

I ran Juneau Belfast Leander, works really well. Good mix of tank and damage. Often ends up torping foxes in the face after disposing of vg

Also let's you run oxy on Belfast if you feel like it. It's alright

Can probably also get away with silly stuff like Belfast Aurora Jintsuu on HMS. Not sure how good it is vs Amagi, but before the event it was rather effective.

[zenith tundra]

i think that jesus is mandatory for it to work tbh

[modern tree]

As long as one ship in vg survives till second strike, you kind of win unless you can't hit any of bb shots

So I wouldn't say she's mandatory, just rather useful at accomplishing this goal

[zenith tundra]

i tried yesterday and my qe was 10% hp after akaga 1st airstrike

[modern tree]

Sounds like Ryuusei, and she survived so she will shoot, so it's probably not a big deal since all the sakura torps will target her again

[zenith tundra]

if u dont win vg fight tho

[zenith tundra]

amakaga without aurora

all my vanguard alive

3 out of 3 times all my vanguard alive and opponent dead. no way it can do anything without aurora

[modern tree]

Someone should try flank amagi instead of flagship because you should be able to snipe a fox this way and win a mirror instantly, instead of just betting on your vanguard doing a better job at being alive after first strike.

If someone already tried then they should tell me how it went cuz I could do it myself, but optimizing foxes bores me

I do wonder why is Amagi always flagship. I guess humans enjoy symmetry

[finite valve]

isn't it to soften the front line?

[gilded atlas]

[modern tree]

If you can kill a fox with barrage+planes then there's no point

[zenith tundra]

amagi flagship so her barrage is not useless

[finite valve]

only work if they don't have a belfap

[modern tree]

How is flank barrage useless

[zenith tundra]

it doesnt shred vgs

[modern tree]

Fine I will test it myself, geez

[finite valve]

if you really want to test your theory should test vs with and w/o belfap

[modern tree]

I thought it's a simple concept

[zenith tundra]

this is what i was fighting

[modern tree]

Belfast is a non factor if you are not trying to hit vg. The explicit purpose of running flank is to sink a fox in a mirror through ignoring the frontline. If you can do it between strikes, you end up winning by default cuz you have 2 foxes with 35% higher aviation vs 1 without a buff

[pearl nimbus]

A wild Canuck appeared!....Again.....(only this time with an actual defense fleet)

The Nep ships are gone, his gloves are already off.

[finite valve]

just asking but does foxes buff disappear after one of them die?

i thought they get the buff regardless?

[gilded atlas]

Its not worth since enemy akaga will go off twice before barrage sinks 1

[finite valve]

same case with QE

[pearl nimbus]

Hmm

It's probably the latter

[gilded atlas]

I tried with HMS before

[zenith tundra]

amagi buff is real

[modern tree]

QE stays, Foxes lose theirs afaik

[finite valve]

then they should add "while alive"

[pearl nimbus]

Sssh indie game devs, that's too difficult

[modern tree]

They should not have prefixed Jintsuu skill with torpedo command, cuz it's not. EN tooltips have way more severe issues than foxes being vague

[pearl nimbus]

^

[finite valve]

never said that only foxes have issue

[pearl nimbus]

tbh that did confuse me for awhile until you explained that to us Dax

[finite valve]

in general there are so many hidden shit that could be fixed with a simple line

in which they don't have

[zenith tundra]

i tried with an hakaga in my list an u can snipe a fox with airstrike but only if amagi doesnt target flagship insted

[finite valve]

full BB back line?

[zenith tundra]

against amakaga u cannot snipe a fox easily u need 2 barrages

[modern tree]

Maybe Hood is just better in the mirror then

[finite valve]

well we going to have DOY soon

so just use her when you got her max

[zenith tundra]

foxes dont die that easily because of amagi

[finite valve]

introducing WS kai the destroyer of light and medium armor

LMFAO

[modern tree]

Hood barrage hurts more and faster second strike might also be a factor. It's probably only for mirror tho

[finite valve]

meh just use WS kai and watch as she snip the enemy CV into oblivion

[modern tree]

Just use Bismark

Compelling arguments

[zenith tundra]

ap bb does no dmg to light armor

lile a 40% dmg modifier

[finite valve]

oh yeh enty is medium

always thought she was light

lel

[zenith tundra]

everything but monitors is medium or heavy in backline

[finite valve]

noted

[dull hollow]

Sodak entering terminal depression

[modern tree]

she couldnt protect anyone

[zenith tundra]

@finite valve i was using amakaga and trying to snipe a fox in mirror. it takes 2 amagi barrages to kill one but couldn't really try against a comp with belfast aurora to see how it impacts vg victory

[finite valve]

well amagi barrage was design to snip VG instead of back line anyway

at least i hope?

like her barrage is still fucking buged after like 3 patches already

so i have 0 idea on what her barrage is suppose to do

[zenith tundra]

amagi barrage was designed to work from not flagship position in pvp hence ht targeting system in it and to clear waves of enemies in pve with the ap bullets

[modern tree]

Amagi can easily fire twice before 2nd strike, right? So this should be an easy win condition in a mirror

[zenith tundra]

i would say yes but if u lose vg is not guranteed tbh

with amagi off spot torp can implode foxes

[finite valve]

well since we dk how her "real" barrage suppose to work / look like

just guess work atm

and if you still need 2 barrage to even snip a fox

just put her in mid

[zenith tundra]

need a good comp with strong vg to full try it

im even more worried that belfast will last forever tbh

on defense

[finite valve]

you on CN JP right?

[zenith tundra]

especially of bad torp rng

[finite valve]

so just use WS kai lel

[zenith tundra]

en lol

[finite valve]

oh

[zenith tundra]

the name is a meme... it's yukikaze line when she activates her skill: yukikaze sama nanoda!

[modern tree]

@finite valve Again, I thought this would be a simple concept, but I guess this needs an in depth explanation. Shelling VG in a mirror doesnt do anything because you are just trading blows, since EVERYONE is running her flagship for some reason. The idea is to abuse this fact and alter your position so the barrage sinks a backline ship instead of doing an even VG trade, since your VG will protect your now sort of exposed fox flagship from Amagi barrage. IT'S STRATEGISING AND TACTICS

since the mirror is what you will most likely face, having a pocket strategy that is as complicated as just MOVING A SHIP before pressing Start Exercise is an IMMENSE advantage

[zenith tundra]

for that strat u would use juneau then

if u plan on winning with akaga alone then u would use juneau aurora belfast

[modern tree]

and I love tiny shit like this to death, which is why I play HMS mostly

[ionic magnet]

by putting amagi on the side, you realize you'll have to put 1 fox as flagship right? not sure if i would want to stick to that

[zenith tundra]

a fox can tank better actually

akaga air dmg does numbers on amagi

[modern tree]

It's just a concept, largely untested, but VG should eat the Amagi barrage and with Amagi defensive buffs they should not have issues tanking just enough to sink a fox in a mirror and win this way

[zenith tundra]

ths only thing would be that 406 is better but dunno if fast enough for sniping as non flagship

[ionic magnet]

flagship still has the highest risk of sinking so

[modern tree]

and this tiny tech lets you use tankier VGs because smashing opponents VG is no longer your main win condition

[hot creek]

I once played against suicide wasdA where the Amagi on flank managed to snipe one of my foxes. GG, had to reset.

[zenith tundra]

ill try that to see if it makes mirror easier. hope i get some decent comps in my list

[gilded atlas]

Doesn't work though unless you run 3 bbs if you run Amakaga Amagi best at center

No point doing that if Amagi is going to take 3> barrage to take down 1 fox

[zenith tundra]

amagi is good in the middle because her barrage is a mini airstrike that makes winning vg battle easy and since amakaga has almost no def against vgs its easy win

[gilded atlas]

Sniping works if you can take down fast but even with 3 bbs its gonna be rng

[zenith tundra]

if u cannot win by vg u need to kill a fox

[modern tree]

We just established she takes only 2 barrages to kill a fox, making this strategy absolutely viable to go for

[zenith tundra]

akaga touchdow dmg helps a lot tbh

[gilded atlas]

Consistent 2 barrage or lucky salv from Amagi?

[zenith tundra]

i need to try better but i need a comp almost maxed out which i dont have in my list

i tried 3 times and a fox like 20-40% hp after touchdown dmg but by that time vg already won because of opponent vg not being optimal

my phone is almost dead too. gonna save battery for attempts later

[gilded atlas]

If my memories serve correctly, it takes like 2 barrage from Hood and 2/3 from Warspite to kill a fox

without salvos

[modern tree]

yes but plane suicide is a lot of damage

[gilded atlas]

Tried a few times barrage does like 20%-30% the rest of damage comes from salvos/stray torps/plane torps

a few times their middle Amagi died before Kaga

[modern tree]

I cant test it because every amakaga fleet in my lobby would die even if I didnt use Amagi and had only Akaga in the back

#sandy

[gilded atlas]

Her barrage sucks so bad in Defence fleet

bugged ap missed all infront

[dull hollow]

amagi barrage not for snipes like hood or monarch

amagi barrage for field wide pressure

since it can aim at everything

[crystal hare]

my carriers seem to always get massively outdamaged by opponent carriers, how do i boost their damage most effectively?

im using long island and ranger retrofit

[modern tree]

become more lucky

or accept that light carriers that arent centaur will always struggle with damage

[crystal hare]

no i stepped on a black cat in front of a mirror

what carriers should i get then? enterprise? akaga?

[hot creek]

akaga yes.

Enterprise is alright.

[modern tree]

ther's a reather limited pool of carriers that can do well in pvp for one reason or another, most of them will either deal close to double damage compared to normal carrier for one reason on another (akaga sister ship buff and other IJN nonsense, Enterprise skill) or just amplify your other ships by a lot (Centaur, Ark)

about anything else is too niche, unreliable or just straight bad

[crystal hare]

alright, i guess ill just keep slowly grinding up amagi and akaga, are the pve bombers also the best in pvp? and are there any obvious pieces of gear that are shit in pve that are good in pvp that i should be aware of?

[modern tree]

This is carriers, Fighters might change, but this is basically the loudout you want unless you need something super specialised

[crystal hare]

are the purple versions of hellcat and barracuda comparable?

[modern tree]

They are decent stand-ins but feel really bad to get to +10

[crystal hare]

ye, i'd leave them at +6, i dont have anything +10 yet really

[ivory vine]

if you have to use a purple fighter you'd use corsair iirc

[crystal hare]

i also have many corsairs so that's nice

[modern tree]

I think f4u is better intercept power, yea, dont know about bomb loudout

[ivory vine]

it's still 2 500lb bombs

[modern tree]

so its good enough

[ivory vine]

idk if i did the math wrong or what

[crystal hare]

alright, next event gap i'll go farm another couple of catapults and helldivers

[ivory vine]

but when i actually did the math on aa from fighters

corsair was the best

gold corsair wasnt even close

but purp was still better than every other fighter

[modern tree]

purple f4u is really good and it is on par with hellcat when it comes to intercept power, but the extra aviation and higher tier bombs is what makes hellcat THE intercept fighter

[ivory vine]

it has the same tier bombs

from what i can tell

hellcat only seems better for 20 aviation

[modern tree]

difference between gold and purple bombs actually exists

[ivory vine]

and the lower cd on its guns

there's no difference in bombs

they're both t3

gold corsair is a t0 hero unit or w/e it's called

[modern tree]

are they both t3 bombs?

[ivory vine]

yeah

according to anything ive seen about them

even cn wiki had it listed as t3 on purp corsair iirc

[zenith tundra]

isn't tier based on base rarity? like gold quint homing is only t2 because there is no blue quint homing

@modern tree can u give me ur hms setup with ships and aux u use on them?

[modern tree]

yes

[zenith tundra]

also what mg u use on bbs

[modern tree]

give me a moment

[zenith tundra]

u can just pic if its easier

[crystal hare]

is there a consensus on homing vs normal torpedoes for bombers in pvp? im using nakajima b6n right now, if barracuda is better why is that?

[zenith tundra]

barra best feature is lauch speed. homing is ok to use but only on kaga imo and it's usually better against non amakaga mirror because it's slow

homing torp can be used if u want to snipe ships like enty on def that usually amagi cannot damage because 2nd barrage hits her cloak

[ivory vine]

also because cudas have over 2.5x the kamikaze damage of ryuusei

that plus speed

means using ryuusei feels bad

[zenith tundra]

how much is difference from purple cuda to ryuusei?

[crystal hare]

^ i was about to ask that

[ivory vine]

ryuusei or the purp sakura bomber?

[zenith tundra]

gold ryuusei

[crystal hare]

purple barracuda vs purple nakajima for my question

[ivory vine]

actually i dont know how much kamikaze damage purp cudas have

[zenith tundra]

ok was wondering because i have no gold barra yet after 6 months

[ivory vine]

apparently it's the same as gold

[zenith tundra]

cool at least i deal some dmg on my akagi

[ivory vine]

cuda is 480 kamikaze damage

[crystal hare]

guess ill swap nakajimas to cudas on my pvp botes and test it out

[ivory vine]

ryuusei is only 188

nakajimas are 168

[zenith tundra]

if this game could give me some gold cudas now i would be really happy

[crystal hare]

no only triple 406s for you

[zenith tundra]

on the other side of the coin i think that hitting all 9 ryuusei torp on backline does a lot more then just hitting some from barra + touchdown dmg

[ivory vine]

well ryuusei are good for single target deleting a backliner

but they slow down your strike significantly

and can just whiff on shit like vg sometimes

[zenith tundra]

i hate that so much i know

[ivory vine]

tbh it's more how slow they make it

cuz i would lose amakaga mirrors

to them getting 2nd strike faster

[zenith tundra]

i lose 2 mirrors because of my slow launch speed from ryuusei and no gold barra

[crystal hare]

how is strike speed calculated exactly? barra is only 1s faster than ryuusei

[zenith tundra]

if i ever get 2 gold cuda i'll try around till then im stuck

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/List_of_Torpedo_Bombers#Max Stats

[ivory vine]

it's averaged among all your planes

actual plane counts btw not just slots

then multiplied by 2.18

and add .3

[zenith tundra]

lol

[crystal hare]

god i just checked the wiki and youre right, who would make this formula

[modern tree]

Warspite [406mm / twin 127mm / 105mm SKC* / 2x gold SG Radars]
Queen Elizabeth [406mm / twin 127mm / 105mm SKC* / Beaver Badge and SG Radar]
Hood [410mm / twin 127mm / 105mm SKC* / HFCR and Reloader, yes, Reloader]

Juneau twin [127mm / Quad Mag / 113mm Roomba* / Torp Bulge and Boiler(or Toolbox)]
Belfast [Belgun / Rainbow Mag / Bofors* / Torp Bulge and Boiler(or Toolbox)]
Leander [Belgun / Quad Mag / Bofors* / Torp Bulge and Pearl]

Craft AA to your personal needs, this is the setup that I found to work.
*Reloader is specifically to drop Hoods reload for double barrage to be faster than 2nd Akaga strike, giving you pretty good shot at just winning the matchup this way. There is no other reason to use this and you should use gold SG instead of you find this tech too commital or not reaching the reload speed necesary (I have hood at 200 and I am not sure if it works without that cuz I have no way to check)

[zenith tundra]

(fighterx3 + bombx2 + torpx3)/8*2.18+0.3 for akaga?

change type of plane with reload for each plane. is that right?

[ivory vine]

yeah

actual reload while on the ship too ofc

[zenith tundra]

oh ok

[ivory vine]

or just do it from stats cuz you cba looking in game

manually calculating reload

[zenith tundra]

i'll try with hood not 200 and see... my hood is like 160

is order from top down? @modern tree

[modern tree]

you rearrange hood and warspite depending on what you want to snipe

[zenith tundra]

vg mainly

i know how hood ws works

[modern tree]

Juneau goes up front because shes tanky af and healing your VG gives you better shot at winning vs akaga than healing your back late

[zenith tundra]

ok

[modern tree]

Belfast is mid because shes tanking after juneau sinks, Leander is there just to smoke the torps and cheer

more or less

[zenith tundra]

is that reloader +10?

[modern tree]

ye, I am a proud owner of a SINGULAR maxed reloader

[zenith tundra]

ok what's ur mg speed on hood?

for me it's 17.28 without 200 and +6

[modern tree]

base reload is 16.88

mind that QE buff will drop that even lower and also HFCR things

[zenith tundra]

i have those just wondering the difference

do u actually have 3 gold sg btw?

[modern tree]

I have 5 maxed SGs

[zenith tundra]

gold?

[modern tree]

all gold

[zenith tundra]

wtf

[modern tree]

I play the game

[zenith tundra]

5k more then me lol

pretty sure my power is lower then yours still missing some +10

[modern tree]

SGs are the only good pvp BB aux sides to hfcr and badge maybe and I play 3 BBs a lot

[crystal hare]

what do you even do after playing the game for that long? surely you must have cleared all the content and got all the drops

[zenith tundra]

farm tbh

[ivory vine]

farm aux plates

[modern tree]

I am only missing Louis atm

I am waiting for more content

[zenith tundra]

al is a grind game where u just wait for more ships to come so u can farm more

[modern tree]

and playing pvp

[crystal hare]

i suppose that makes sense

[zenith tundra]

gonna try hms against this

[modern tree]

I am also addicted to maxing ships for no particular reason, I have like 50 lvl 100 ships with max affection

dunno, I like the game

[crystal hare]

max oathed affection?

[modern tree]

I have only 15 oaths, but they are all maxed, yes

[crystal hare]

bruh

[modern tree]

yes?

[crystal hare]

better get started on the other 35, rings aint cheap

[zenith tundra]

is it a win?

[modern tree]

How did QE survive of all ships

it's kinda risky because QE AA is shit, but Leander has pearl

so you probably win unless leander survives bombs and then rams herself to death after QE sinks

[zenith tundra]

this is even worse lol

[modern tree]

how is your front getting rolled so hard, I am wondering

[zenith tundra]

maxed out akaga i guess

maybe i should try boiler instead of toolbox

[modern tree]

it should help, I think the only times I got rolled so hard up front is when Amagi barrage targets the front with the BB volley part

[zenith tundra]

wow

[modern tree]

you are missing so litte damage, hmm

[zenith tundra]

i guess oath would help a bit and some extra hp here and there

now my amakaga

[crystal hare]

can one of you explain why sg radar is preferable over autoloader for example or just a toolkit?

on backline

[zenith tundra]

sg has hit rating and evasion which u both want on a bb

hp is mostly useless because it gives less ehp then evasion

[modern tree]

SG is way more effective health than 500, Reloader is a meme aux used only for reload tuning

[crystal hare]

is the hit rating appreciable enough that it can hit the frontlines which are shooting around at a million mph like laffey kai and such?

[ivory vine]

it doesnt affect that

it only affects if you actually "miss"

[modern tree]

hit rate unfortunately doesnt make bracket fire more accurate

[zenith tundra]

even mirror is not easy

[ivory vine]

nothing makes it more accurate to dd flying around really fast

besides slows or when your vg is dead and it's closer to your backline

[crystal hare]

i see, on the note of movement speed, if im going to use portkai and wichita, is it worth giving them boilers to up my movespeed or just stick with evasion aux?

[zenith tundra]

smoke rng i guess

this is snipe try

right before 2nd airstrike

[modern tree]

[zenith tundra]

this match is rng tbh

2nd time this

[modern tree]

(its not a super maxed fleet tho, I am still looking)

[zenith tundra]

may i say that quit looks amazing for pvp....

this was the most consistent so far with 3 quint homing

[shy hazel]

u use 1 rainbow and 2 gold magquints?

i only use 1 rainbow 1 gold quint then 1 quad mag

[zenith tundra]

idk without jintsuu u cannot snipe

[shy hazel]

isnt gold magquad better than magquint

oh u didnt put jint

[zenith tundra]

should be

[modern tree]

hmm

I keep getting the same result against different fleets

[zenith tundra]

this say otherwise

[modern tree]

I guess the gear is like 100% making it

[zenith tundra]

those wall for the def are actually insane

this is best result so far with quint on aya jintsu aurora

enemy vanguard dead before akaga airstrike

quint homing is definitely better imo

like too many extra hits compared to quad

all attempts so far i won by vanguard

[modern tree]

I am pretty sure this fleet is decent, but finding good fleets on Sandy is so hard.

[zenith tundra]

can u post the power?

[modern tree]

nope, just found something better

finally

[zenith tundra]

13k is gold gear for nothing

[ivory vine]

catapults arent that bad tho

[zenith tundra]

max bis should be around 12.8k

i think the one i have in my list at 12848 is bis maxed out

[modern tree]

this is second strike

I am pretty sure this fleet is alright

[zenith tundra]

i think it's the oath that makes a lot of difference too

my ws is without and the other 2 are not max

[modern tree]

my gear is like 500 points higher than yours on the main fleet

[dull hollow]

trying to pvp with

Hellcats

is fucking brave man

[zenith tundra]

is the difference in between a +6 purple sg and a +6 reloader to a +10 gold sg and +10 reloader 500 points?

because that's all i had different tbh

[ionic magnet]

no way thats 500 pts

[zenith tundra]

that's why i'm saying it's oaths

[modern tree]

dunno, I am winning every game against this fleet, yeah it has catapults

HMS is the money fleet

actual p2w

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna be there with doy

have all the time to finish qe belfast and hood oaths

before wc

[ionic magnet]

whats your auxes on QE

im surprised she survives as flagship

[zenith tundra]

beaver sg

he uses

[modern tree]

ima mak imgr album I guess

[ionic magnet]

last time i used her she always dies or close to dying after first strike

ill max ws skills first then try that comp

[vague token]

i think i slept through 5 rounds

oops

[zenith tundra]

ws will go out with doy but then again she'll get retro

rip

[vague token]

w/e i snuck my way to 1st at one point, it may not count but i did it

xD

[ionic magnet]

doy is like 3 weeks away so its fine

[zenith tundra]

i'm wondering why i maxed out ws skill... i don't even remember when and why or for what purpose

[modern tree]

https://imgur.com/a/3GrlEoV

all the oaths are maxed

[ionic magnet]

dang howd you farm all those t3 gen parts

[shy hazel]

u buy them in shop

[modern tree]

over time

[shy hazel]

and u trade them for medals

[zenith tundra]

now i'm waiting even more vdir rerun... gotta have that double rainbow asap

[shy hazel]

double raindow d-- torps

[ionic magnet]

im buying them but im not farming enough i guess

[modern tree]

I guess I should have added my profile scren just to give perspective on how much I actually play

[ionic magnet]

ok so how much

[modern tree]

I added it to the album now

enjoy feeling bad for me

[zenith tundra]

eh i can't play as much al as i want since i like to play other games too

[modern tree]

I play games as a job

[ionic magnet]

thats nearly twice my attacks

[zenith tundra]

@modern tree where did u post?

[modern tree]

I put it in the album, like I said

[shy hazel]

theres no album channel here

how can we see

[zenith tundra]

ok im just retarded and can't seem to find it

[shy hazel]

oh

[ivory vine]

the album he posted

[shy hazel]

its in the imgurl

[ivory vine]

[modern tree]

you guys

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

[ivory vine]

you have like 2x my battles

[zenith tundra]

from when u started playing?

[modern tree]

16 August, the very start

[ivory vine]

i started like halfway through vdir

[shy hazel]

u got 6k more attacks than me

[ivory vine]

im just a lazy fuq

[zenith tundra]

i didn't quite play much in august tbh

[modern tree]

trust me, if only I didnt have a full time job...

[ivory vine]

also usually when im farming im playing al/gfl while shitposting in discord

so i forget to start battles

[odd schooner]

I think I'm missing 1 atk

[zenith tundra]

what's ur score?

i'm at 1821 with 9/10

[odd schooner]

1823 9/10

[zenith tundra]

yep welcome to the club of 1 less attempt

[odd schooner]

Maybe i should really start sleeping early lmao

[hot creek]

1827 10/10

[ionic magnet]

1828 8/10 lost 2 fights

[odd schooner]

I can't even remember what time i did the atk

[vague token]

oof

[zenith tundra]

well rip

i'm still salty for yesterday loss

[modern tree]

1840 4/10, I missed like 4 tries and lost one game

[zenith tundra]

that sounds like me last season

[modern tree]

I really just fell asleep when playing my pvps on reset times because I was sick, it was great

[zenith tundra]

i fell asleep while playing al too this week and not even sick

[hot creek]

I don't even think I can get a +11 this reset since all the people in my lobby are probably at 5/10 and can afford to do nothing.

[odd schooner]

I'm too casual for grinding

[zenith tundra]

how's that casual... u farmed a lot more then me

[ionic magnet]

these peeps with 20k attacks

[odd schooner]

Daxam had more

Exercises done is also proof

[zenith tundra]

i didn't really care about pvp for a long time

[odd schooner]

350 exer difference is like 23 days

Almost one month lazying around

[split socket]

@modern tree ppl run Amagi on flagship for a reason. She isn't warspite, theres no need to try to "strategize" when her barrage is clearly best used in middle

and I rly don't get what ppl are going on about mirrors. Just upgrade ur gears if ur losing. U have 20% more dps, if u can't win in mirrors with that then smth is obviously wrong

[odd schooner]

Lack of gears or just unlucky streak

[zenith tundra]

amagi as was released in jp/cn in not a flagship because of nagato. everything about her barrage is meant to be used for pve and useful in pvp even as not flagship

[split socket]

Unlucky streak sure, but the complaints here make it sound like a regular issue. I haven't had to reset a single time this entire season

how unlucky do u have to be ofr that lol

[zenith tundra]

i was using quads instead of quints that was my mistake lol

[modern tree]

If I assumed people play the way they play for a reason I would be playing Eugen, Starter kai, Taco, Hood, Illustrious, Enterprise

Stagnation is death

Challenge the status quo

[zenith tundra]

just trying around stuff is the most interesting part of pvp

[odd schooner]

Oh they're missing gears

[split socket]

ofc, go for it by all means. Meta don't pop up out of nowhere if no one ever experiments, but there are things that are quite obvious (such as amagi on flagship)

no reason to overcomplicate it

[hot creek]

nah. test everything m8

everything

[zenith tundra]

i repeat amagi is not a flagship in jp/cn

[split socket]

because they have nagato lol

we don't

[hot creek]

down to the smallest of details.

[zenith tundra]

so she works as not flagship too?

[split socket]

You need to understand the difference between the meta on cn/jp and en

[odd schooner]

WasdA had her on top

[split socket]

Nagato needs to be flagship

[odd schooner]

But for standard fox

[split socket]

tlaking about Amakaga

[odd schooner]

It's better to lose amagi than the other 2

[zenith tundra]

what i'm saying is amagi can be used as not flagship for some reasons

[odd schooner]

Oh that

[split socket]

Yes, but I'm referring to amakaga as I said

[zenith tundra]

if i see that sniping a fox is a viable choice and i build around that is not a bad reason to have her as not flagship

[shy hazel]

isnt it the same

u snipe ppl amakaga

they snipe your foxes

cos u put foxes in middle

[split socket]

She doesn't snipe any better by putting her in a different position though. All you achieve is focusing fire on another ship while making ur barrage probably missing enemy vg

[shy hazel]

when ur enemy has amagi in the middle

so u both snipe each others foxes

[split socket]

^

[zenith tundra]

she's kinda of bad at that but at least it might have worked tbh

[shy hazel]

amagi as not middle works

in non foxes teams

[ionic magnet]

except its more likely to get your fox sniped cos torps

[shy hazel]

i did that last season

lol

non foxes tho

[modern tree]

I am playing hms that has Hood with a Reloader, telling me of all people to not test something for the hell of it is rather foolish. Also telling me "people do it for a reason, don't bother trying something else" is also rather foolish when I suggested a fucking position swap. What is even this debate, how much time anyone was going to waste doing that

[shy hazel]

cos

[split socket]

the only valid reason I can see on en meta is against amakaga vs wasd, if u want to sink washy first. But even then it isn't really that effective

[shy hazel]

amagi barrage tilts abit

[split socket]

I'm not telling u to not try things lol

[modern tree]

@Daxam ppl run Amagi on flagship for a reason. She isn't warspite, theres no need to try to "strategize" when her barrage is clearly best used in middle

How else am I supposed to interpret no need to"strategize"

[split socket]

I'm clearly bad at explaining things lol

[odd schooner]

I wonder why i went triple 410mm on Washington fleet

[zenith tundra]

enty

[shy hazel]

why not

[odd schooner]

Oh right. E foxes were a thing

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

Before amagi

[ionic magnet]

i still see a few rn

[split socket]

to be clear, my response was to this specifically
"Again, I thought this would be a simple concept, but I guess this needs an in depth explanation. Shelling VG in a mirror doesnt do anything because you are just trading blows, since EVERYONE is running her flagship for some reason. The idea is to abuse this fact and alter your position so the barrage sinks a backline ship instead of doing an even VG trade, since your VG will protect your now sort of exposed fox flagship from Amagi barrage. IT'S STRATEGISING AND TACTICS
since the mirror is what you will most likely face, having a pocket strategy that is as complicated as just MOVING A SHIP before pressing Start Exercise is an IMMENSE advantage"

[odd schooner]

I guess the only thing i need to change

Would be sg to shells

[split socket]

There is barely any advantage if at all moving amagi on mirrors

try things sure, but overstrategizing isn't giving u anything. Just overcomplicate things and u end up losing focus on what's actually good or bad

[shy hazel]

lets just wrap this up

amakaga still the best with amagi in mid

but u can still try alot of memes

[zenith tundra]

in the contest on what happened in the last day i said that i had problem with mirror because i have no gold cuda and always my foxes would go after opponent because of that. the purpose of trying and snipe a fox was because straight forward mirror amakaga i would've lost because of slow launch speed @split socket

[split socket]

bulin vanguard 😉

[shy hazel]

like me with jintsu aurora avrora vanguard

gotta flex those auroras

[odd schooner]

Gonna flex that vodka if not 99.6%

[shy hazel]

pls

35% dmg increase with jintsu is broken

youll like 95% die in first strike though

cos too slow too move youll die

dank memes

[odd schooner]

She drunk

Your 2 vanguard are carrying her around

[shy hazel]

believe me avrora will be slow even if u put like beaver squad and

the other spd one

boiler

ye

[odd schooner]

Ye she has speed issues

It's like the chinaballs before retro

7 boilers 1 beaver

[shy hazel]

give her kai

fix spd

shell be god in pvp

[odd schooner]

Moderate speed

[zenith tundra]

no more ur pls i still have to use 1 but already tired of them tbh

[shy hazel]

i see the chance of avrora getting ur lower than 0.05% tho

first she is very limited and 2nd

al devs give no respecc

to mother russia

🔫

[zenith tundra]

she's event too

[shy hazel]

where are my other vodka ships

[zenith tundra]

we'll all get her in august in en

[odd schooner]

Daxam is making a wall

[shy hazel]

ima flex her before everyone gets her

[odd schooner]

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

Oh right so the dd aux for amagi

[vague token]

o.o

[odd schooner]

Also works for amakaga?

Or just wasd A

[shy hazel]

ofc

gold dd guns still good for amagi

[modern tree]

I think that this idea in particular has a rather binary outcome, it's either possible to sink a fox before second strike, giving you a win condition beyond just outpowering the opponent, or it is not possible and you don't use it. I don't think pvp is complex enough atm to be concerned with losing focus. You have a handful ways to win and you just pick one and play for it. It will work or it won't and journey is more important for me than destination

[zenith tundra]

her aa is so bad u would use it on almost any comp tbh

[shy hazel]

kiro

are u top 1 in en rn

[vague token]

lol no

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

slept through 5

[shy hazel]

ripperinop

i tot u use charges even without bonuses

[vague token]

i did that uh

couple days ago

i went to bed early before reset

then went to work without doing exercises first

so i missed 12pm and 12am

and i had 5 at 6pm

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

dont waste your charges

ill smash u

🔫

[vague token]

[split socket]

Pretty sure it's possible since I've seen enemy amagi going down before 2nd strike (might be some stray torp though as I never rly pay attention), but as someone else said

[vague token]

im at 1817 with 4/10 atm

[split socket]

swapping positions on mirror to snipe foxes are kinda weird, cause u just put ur own fox against their amagi

[shy hazel]

mmm im not sure if u can still genrush

[vague token]

probably not, but it's fine

[shy hazel]

how many charges u lost this season

i lost 2 cos of work

[zenith tundra]

i don't want to rush it but dunno if i'll get it i don't

[modern tree]

And the idea is that their Amagi will shoot your vg because that's why shes mid. Itwasworthashot

[split socket]

[vague token]

ive only lost the 5, rest are fine

[shy hazel]

if u farmed as much bonuses as zack last season

u can genrush

5 losses still got

unbelievable

[zenith tundra]

on the same note u can have ur vanguard tank enemy amagi and get full dmg on 1 fox

[shy hazel]

oh FA rank is open

only one got it in avrora

others are

sandbagging i guess

[zenith tundra]

i still don't have top 100 bonus yet lol

[shy hazel]

👀

gensui will open what

[split socket]

I always sandbag til gensui is available

[shy hazel]

sat?

[ionic magnet]

friday night for some

sat morning for me

[shy hazel]

friday night for me but sleeping

guess ill join the 2nd or 3rd rush

[ionic magnet]

dont sleep np

[zenith tundra]

i'm gonna to sandbag till last reset

[shy hazel]

didnt u alrdy lose a round

just rush

\

[zenith tundra]

so what?

[split socket]

are u on sandy zack?

[zenith tundra]

if i can end anywhere near top 10 i'm happy

[shy hazel]

dunno how top 10 endseason will go

[zenith tundra]

avrora

[split socket]

well rip then

😄

[zenith tundra]

i ended up top 100 with 5 less attempts last season

[shy hazel]

i dont think top 100 is that hard

i doubt about top 10 though

[zenith tundra]

5 less not 1

[ionic magnet]

how many bonus pts do you guys get per reset rn

cos im only getting 2 at most per reset

[shy hazel]

there should be at least top 10 ppl who got like no losses and sandbagged till the end

but we'll see

[zenith tundra]

2 maybe 3 on a good day

[split socket]

0-2 😐

[ionic magnet]

so thats normal i see

[split socket]

it's hard to get points when other ppl are too far behind

[zenith tundra]

losing 1 feels worse then losing 0 tbh

[hot creek]

sandbag til last 24 hours and then blow all attempts during subsequent resets to flex and camp rank #1 all day cause Sandy is a triEasy server and nobody will be able to contest you

[ionic magnet]

[real notch]

TriEasy

[zenith tundra]

like u miss the top train already and ur still dealing with people that are at 5/10 all the time

[split socket]

shame they don't have like end of season leaderboard announcement to show whos top :p

[zenith tundra]

i would love that

[vague token]

maybe if they had less rng in the leaderboard lol

[zenith tundra]

at least top 10 for evry server maybe even 100

[vague token]

top 10 would be ok

but definitely not like top 3

[split socket]

top 10 I think

[vague token]

it's not skill for those ones, just sleep schedule and rng

xD

[split socket]

top 100 and u'll end up with a list bigger than banned cheaters on ex stage xD

[vague token]

kek

[zenith tundra]

lol

[shy hazel]

its more of luck anf tryhardng

waking in the mid of the night

just to bonus

[zenith tundra]

they could even just post it in discord or something no need for twitter or other stuff

[shy hazel]

thats crazy

[split socket]

luck, patience and ruined sleep cycles 😐

[ionic magnet]

[split socket]

who am I kidding, the commissions already ruining my sleep

[vague token]

oof

[zenith tundra]

i always send long ones before sleep if i can

[split socket]

I try to get the night comms :/ but they appear 5 am

[vague token]

ouch

[shy hazel]

ye lol

[ionic magnet]

it cant ruin my sleep if its my normal routine already

[shy hazel]

they,appear at morning for me too

[zenith tundra]

same morning till almost afternoon

[shy hazel]

i just sleep it over

screw it

i rather go to work happy that play half dead