pvp

[ivory vine]

which might even make 100mm worth using for the full meme

not like she fires it anyway

[ionic magnet]

some people just doesnt have the gears lol

[zenith tundra]

i actually ended up using twin 127 on offense a bit

like she actually fired because i lost vanguard

and she shreds opponent vanguard so easily

[shy hazel]

i used wash ama last season

127 op

ib destroying things

that breaks your vg

[zenith tundra]

the 2nd gun is why bb are so much better then cv in pvp because they aren't hopeless against enemy vanguards

[ivory vine]

they also shoot faster cuz they dont have a 2.18x cd multiplier

[zenith tundra]

the aux gun +2 helps a lot

[shy hazel]

tweak game pls

make bb bcs vanguardable

imagine the levels of memes possible

[zenith tundra]

form what i've seen is even worse at lvl 120 where vanguards are almost just for stalling/skill not actual damage

[shy hazel]

i mean we see in the vids

yukikaze dictates if u win or lose

pre ws kai

[vague token]

oh, yeah i used all my charges lol

i just burst all my matches out

no bonus points for me

/from earlier

[odd schooner]

slowly switches to 127mm on amagi

[shy hazel]

just use

anti bomb ship gun

for superior memes

[supple stratus]

Rank 559 barely a rear admiral xd

[zenith tundra]

u need to aim for aotn

[supple stratus]

I would if didn't have a HMS fleet

[modern tree]

What's wrong with HMS

[zenith tundra]

what hms losses against amakaga now?

maybe it's just slow

but u can still get aotn without rushing

why are we getting so many small events instead of wc... i want doy already

[modern tree]

HMS is probably not the slowest because if you are not winning within 45 seconds you are probably not winning period

[zenith tundra]

lol

[ionic magnet]

wc was scheduled late feb its still good

[zenith tundra]

it might be but i would definitely prefer it earlier then this mini events

[ionic magnet]

im still confused who to drop

bel/juneau/jint/aurora

[zenith tundra]

what main fleet?

[ionic magnet]

amagi hood E

[zenith tundra]

u could try belfast aurora juneau

[coral wren]

i hope we get centaur along with dork

[ionic magnet]

oh you got the lineup i was abt to try next

[zenith tundra]

have aurora in the middle so she can live to enty airstrike

[shy hazel]

centaur has her own mini event right

[ivory vine]

i thought she was just thrown into light randomly

[zenith tundra]

the wiki says is special build

[ivory vine]

oh it was special?

[zenith tundra]

no events related

[shy hazel]

mmm

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Centaur

[shy hazel]

sounds pain

[ivory vine]

idk what ssr are even in special tbh

but light would be easy af

[shy hazel]

well at least my lusty isnt mlb yet

[ivory vine]

[zenith tundra]

a lot of ssr in special

[shy hazel]

lusty ent is like in special

[ionic magnet]

atago too

[ivory vine]

put her in light instead then

[zenith tundra]

enty lusty belfast atago printz sandy takao

maybe akashi too if u unlocked her

[shy hazel]

sa sa sa sa sandy

i can imagine akashi in special

she never appeared in light

after like 500 builds

[zenith tundra]

akashi is not in light in en

[shy hazel]

makes sense

but even so i still dont have tanikaze

orz

[zenith tundra]

kamikaze coming up next more reasons to light build

[shy hazel]

hatsushimo is probably also gonna be light too

but for a limited time

zzz

i really hate it when they do that

trash ships on light and in limited time

feels waste of cubes

[ivory vine]

i just wanted

tai yuan

for the fuckin cute skin

but im literally 250+ cubes

and nope

[shy hazel]

220 cubes till i got mullany

[ivory vine]

i have got like 20+ chaser/mullany both

like 10 of each maid

4 yat set

2 aurora

and she's not even rate up

even tanikaze

i actually have every bote from light now besides tai yuan and ning hai

[zenith tundra]

i only saw 1 aurora in like 300-400 builds

[ivory vine]

and i can get ning hai from the box if i really wanted to

[shy hazel]

i got mlb on all cept mullany i reduced all extras

[ivory vine]

[shy hazel]

tanikaze just needs to appear

and ill be 99% completion

i heard from some people

auditorium comes with core shop so

maybe new meta soon

[zenith tundra]

i'm not going down the completion path tbh. too much of a pain to retro so may ships

[shy hazel]

double triple oxytorps

[clear cloud]

Only want that 410kai

[shy hazel]

makes torps greater again

[zenith tundra]

i want white shell for my amagi

[shy hazel]

i want shells and oxytorps

[ivory vine]

oxy torps

take like the entire month to farm

basically you farm the whole month and can buy the oxytorp

iirc shells are significantly cheaper

[clear cloud]

Our hard mode still didn't revamp to 3 times yet

[shy hazel]

yup they cheaper

[zenith tundra]

u get some extra points but almost none for oxy

1800 for 30 days and oxy torp is 1500

[ivory vine]

how much are shells?

[zenith tundra]

800

[shy hazel]

tis fine

i have an oxytorp rn

ill get one white shell for amagi first

and for efficient farming

then oxytorp

[zenith tundra]

also 381 in core data too. can't wait for more amagi opness in pve

[ivory vine]

tbh i hope it just doesnt have an oxy torp and has both shells or 1 shell/381

[shy hazel]

381 is bad at pvp or something

[ivory vine]

so im not tempted

[shy hazel]

wow

bad

think of all the players who dont have oxytorp

[ivory vine]

381 is just the fastest he gun for bb

[zenith tundra]

low salvo damage compared to 410

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

not really worth for pvp

[shy hazel]

i just want white shells i guess

then lvl 120

then french botes

for that yummy 12-14k crit

[ivory vine]

gimme jean bart REEE

[shy hazel]

ye jb

[ivory vine]

and the dd gun

but the dd gun isnt a waifu

[shy hazel]

ill farm as long as i can for that french dd gun

i know some ppl regretting not farming it

lol

[ivory vine]

im gonna farm like 100 runs

and have like 3 bp

[zenith tundra]

can we never get jb event in en.... i don't want to farm that gun like there is no tomorrow

[ivory vine]

then prob give up

[shy hazel]

i mean if u only farm elites it should be okay

[zenith tundra]

u want points too tho at least till like 55k like crimson event

[ivory vine]

idk ive always struggled finding motivation to do anything

[shy hazel]

ill just stop at 55

[ivory vine]

[shy hazel]

or once i empty the shop

[ivory vine]

depends when it drops

if i dont have exams or anything around that time

i might even just farm 100k points and however many guns that ends up being

[zenith tundra]

i'll take some time off from work when that event happens

lol

u would need at least 3 of them maybe 6 if ur lucky enough

[shy hazel]

4 feels okay

can dedicate 2 guns for dds

2 for sharing

[zenith tundra]

i want 2 full fleets with that gun

[shy hazel]

i farmed ce event

55k

only built one bofor and 3/4

of bps

wait i actually farmed 60

well thats not elite only farming

[zenith tundra]

u farm that gun like there is no tomorrow tbh

[shy hazel]

elite only farming feels more efficient

[zenith tundra]

is literally best dd/2nd gun for ca/cl

[shy hazel]

ye

[ivory vine]

also the map drops both gold/purple versions

and the purple version does more dps than twin 127 gold

[shy hazel]

pogchamp

french superior guns

french dd guns are my new best friends

time to dismantle uss gold dd guns

[clear cloud]

The blue french CL gun?

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Single_138.6mm_(Mle_1929)#Type 3

[clear cloud]

There is one blue CL gun with top DPS

[zenith tundra]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Single_152mm_(6"/53_caliber_gun)#Type 3

i think this is the one but it's trash

[ivory vine]

40 deg spread

[clear cloud]

Yup that

[zenith tundra]

torp gun. u just ram to shoot lol

[ionic magnet]

what gun do i use on juneau? twin 127?

[zenith tundra]

that should be her best weapon

[ionic magnet]

[outer stump]

Dude how comes that whit full BB team (wasd, hood) and Juneau, Jintsuu, Belfast frontline I had 100% lose rate 15 runs played and when I've brought amakaga (same frontline) easy win first run... They didn't had a chance

Does that Aurora debuff hurts so bad?

Or maybe their torps were landing like crazy

[shy hazel]

both cases

first aurora debuff is so broken

then jintsuu torp buff is just too broken

[outer stump]

I hat Jintsuu too but maybe I had only one mag torp

Had

And the rest were normal

Should I use mag for the other too? Not so sure tbh

I mean they have low stats than those fixed

But maybe better land something weak than nothing

[modern tree]

3 bbs suck vs amagi and 2 bb + cv in general, so unless you have a surefire way to slay Enterprise there, it's no wonder you lose

[outer stump]

Well you have a point

[modern tree]

And you don't have a way to slay Enterprise because if Juneau sinks between your hood shots, you lose since you will never hit her again with hood

[shy hazel]

3 bb meta is when ws kai comes to en

[outer stump]

It might be it

So I still need to go amakaga damn

I kinda hate that comp even that they are broken

I want for USS to shine more

[modern tree]

So unless you sink Juneau before first hood barrage, or after Enterprise sank, there's no real way to win because hood barrage buff makes 410 miss Enterprise from 3rd shot onwards

[outer stump]

I ses IJN everywhere atm

[shy hazel]

wait until uss gets a damn broken ship

like nagato

or ws kai

uss had it limelight at fw

but now thats over

[outer stump]

Nagato is IJN

[modern tree]

USS sort of needs a cv or Amagi to do well

[shy hazel]

i mean something of equivalent

we still got iowa class

[outer stump]

I've tried wasd enty but in enty side is actually open damage

[shy hazel]

still lots of flethcers to recycle around

[outer stump]

Only foxes bring half of her hp down already

Wasd look fine everytime

Even though I out enty topside

[ionic magnet]

is topside really better tho

from my experience top is really prone to torps

[outer stump]

That's what I saw in my all case scenario

I mean the barracuda torps have something whit the botside on my watch

[modern tree]

I had to reset wasd Amagi vs something like the above before, they were using Akagi instead of E tho. It was bizarre to see my 3 maxed oath boats lose to bb kaga just because 3 bbs suck

[outer stump]

Same for IJN torps having something whit flagship

[ionic magnet]

barracuda feels really weak compared to jint/aya torps tho

[shy hazel]

what are you saying

barracuda will destroy enemy backline even if vanguard still exists

[elder crane]

If you run 3BB/BC, you need to have a suicide frontline
With that, I had no trouble with any teams really

[ionic magnet]

no im comparing the damage of barracuda and jint/aya torps

[elder crane]

BB/BC secs will make short work of anything, so you don't need your frontline to beat theirs
Just dunk a few torps or whatnot on their backline and soften up their frontline

Otherwise, the main fleet will waste too many shots on enemy frontline

[outer stump]

@elder crane I was using Juneau as I've said.... I don't think there's any more vanguard that is suicidal for backline purposes

[elder crane]

You don't run belfast in a suicide frontline

[outer stump]

I can use aurora but the debuff is actually "while alive"

I use Belfast because I don't have something else... I have some of helping, some of fighting

[elder crane]

You use aurora to buff your torps actually

[outer stump]

It might be a mess but well...

[elder crane]

It's fine enough

[outer stump]

What about Jintsuu?

I think she is fine

[elder crane]

Yep, it's usually jint/jun/aya or jint/jun/aurora

[outer stump]

Oh I see

Well is there a problem if I still have that off skill lvl 1?

[elder crane]

... maybe

[outer stump]

Its only damage vs destroyers

But well I will make it soon because I have 30 golden off books ffs xd

But the problem might be that I will miss the Belfast's smokescreen

And then a lot of aviation damage coming out

[elder crane]

Vs CLs it does do quite a bit
In any case, suicide-fl WASDA is a perfectly fine team, I used it to decent effectiveness. It has no real niche though imo, since it doesn't have much better winrates vs anything, is a slow team, and has no otherwise redeeming factors

[shy hazel]

last season

i was still using wash ama ent

i basically relied heavily on backline dmg

and lets vanguard stall and die

got gensui

no losses

but slow

[outer stump]

I don't like using amagi in a BB fleet since I don't have ijn vanguards

[shy hazel]

wash ama ent juneau belfast ayanami

lol

[outer stump]

I mean I want that cd for main gun tho

[shy hazel]

its far slower than with ijn buff

but it works fine

if wash and amagi procs barrage in same time

a fox dies

if most hit

if

[elder crane]

I'm using Hiryuu/Amagi/Hood/Jun/Aurora/Jint as my main fleet right now, I think it does have a significant winrate vs Amkaga compared to other teams even if its slow, and Hiryuu skill gives a nice fat reset window as long as you keep track of her

But, I still see no reason to use anything other than Amkaga for rushes, it's just objectively the fastest climbing team even in the face of stiff opposition

[shy hazel]

well youll really have a winrate in that team because

its basically a reset machine

amakaga is for lazier people

and its effective

[elder crane]

Last 20 matches vs various amkaga, had to reset only twice, both from absolutely disgusting torp hits from a aya/jint team

And I mean per-match winrate, counting forced resets as a loss

[shy hazel]

so i use it too

a good amakaga team will warrant almost no reset

[outer stump]

I mean the fastest and the strongest but as I said before... I want other nations to shine in those battles too... Like KMS (which is pretty impossible atm) USS or HMS... I'm just getting bored of the foxes, they are like everywhere

[shy hazel]

some exceptions do happen ofc

[outer stump]

But when when I get mad I call the foxes

[shy hazel]

we have to wait for devs to make uss gr8 again

fw rerun make wash and noca retrofit

its literally

Make America Great Again

[elder crane]

In any case, WASD+something works decently overall, it's just slow
HMS is lots of resets until a win right now vs the other top teams, DoY might help somewhat but probably no more than just making it usable

And you mean re-re-run FW

[outer stump]

I suppose that... If the warspite Kai will be added maybe wasd will be pretty good

[shy hazel]

wasd is pretty neat

because it gives u

5 seconds

time to reset

if u get wiped

its suicidal but effective

[outer stump]

Or HMS fleet for a lot of the otgers

[shy hazel]

warspite kai can come with anyone

i think ppl right now prefer her with nagato and amagi

[outer stump]

@elder crane will doy be better whit wasd?

[shy hazel]

so its still ijn-esque

lol

[outer stump]

Well who gets mad at nagato

[elder crane]

It'll be an option I suppose, I don't see it being clearly better than the other flex slot options

[outer stump]

She is sonehow cute

[shy hazel]

who cares about her appearance

its that skill

and stats that are important

i oath only for stats

for now unless ws kai suddenly comes in en

the future will be namagi

with jintsu aurora freeslot

for a loooong time

[outer stump]

If someday Jean Bart will be released I will make hell for amakaga users

[shy hazel]

jb is good for pve

not in pvp

she gets most of her dmg from manual play

lol

pvp is always automatic

[outer stump]

But I suppose she won't be good ether

[elder crane]

Funnily enough, the two main options will cross-counter for offense, due to positioning
HMS sniping out members one by one
Hiryuu laughing at WS focus fire

[shy hazel]

i mean u must have heard the rumors

even if hiryuu gets aimed first

she will die on the 2nd volley

she goes triggering her skill in first despacito

and dies in the 15 seconds after

then your next backline is next

shes a viable delaying ship

[elder crane]

Yep, and the other members are left untouched, so still should be a win in the end

[shy hazel]

but in the only only delay

[elder crane]

Might be wrong on that, but it seems likely that that's the outcome, at least with initial reports

[shy hazel]

i believ jp ppl just suggest

to go mirror

its far more efficient

[elder crane]

And just rely on 20% to carry?
I suppose, since the team isn't very RNG-heavy

[shy hazel]

shell only target left or right first anyways

if your opponent has was kai and bunny

just reset till u aim at ws kai first

assuming its mirror

[elder crane]

? the aim direction is predictable, just pre-move members

or did the retro change how WS flagship acts?

[shy hazel]

ws just attacked random directly iirc

she never locked on whats in front of her

the kai just made it that she'll either

aim left

or right

but not center

[outer stump]

Well that skill is no joke... Launching another airstrike feels pain

[elder crane]

Nah, it's always farthest ship
Diagonally for corners, top when flagship

At least pre-kai

[shy hazel]

we'll need to ask the active jp/cn peeps here

[elder crane]

That's why she sucks PvE (part of), it often just tries to hit a random corner suiship or mob

[shy hazel]

ws kai in pve

targets the farthest bomb ship

and doesnt hit it

[elder crane]

inb4 clips but doesn't kill it, causing main shots to try to aim at it too

wasting a full volley

(I don't think it's possible, but still funny to think about)

[shy hazel]

hey

think about it

we're gonna need to farm ws to 120

cos shes gon be pvp god

you cant escape

[outer stump]

What if there will be added a ship which gives imunity for the first 20 seconds in the battle

[shy hazel]

lets see if theyll really announce core shop for now

they said its coming with auditorium so

easy answer

ws kai will be paired with that ship

[odd schooner]

Ah was to edit

You guys know we're about to start earning exp soon**

Had a typo

[clear cloud]

the lecture room exp is get from lvl100 exp overflow right?

[odd schooner]

But accidentally deleted

Ye

But they said it comes with the max lvl ship exp storing too

So max lvl ships can store up to 3m exp

I hope so

[modern tree]

I think Sandy had another hot debate about pvp on in game chat cuz everyone is using Eugen in tank slot for every team

I love this server

[odd schooner]

That debate actually rose up in discord

[urban coral]

wait what

[odd schooner]

Not here

Somewhere else

[urban coral]

oh

[modern tree]

Tell me of those other secret clubs

Core data is confirmed now

[hot creek]

AP shells soon™?

[zenith tundra]

why ap?

[clear cloud]

that's research gun

wait you mean other AP

[zenith tundra]

core data has only 2 he guns for ca and bb

can we fast forward to 14 instead of 13 next reset?

even so it'll take 10 days to get something out of core data

[hot creek]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Type_1_Armor_Piercing_Shell AP shells, my friend.

[zenith tundra]

oh white shell aux

[hot creek]

also remember to set your favorite waifu as secretary before the update.

[zenith tundra]

definitelly 1st buy for my amagi

[outer stump]

What is Acc?

[zenith tundra]

why? @hot creek

[clear cloud]

i want 410AP gun

[zenith tundra]

acc is hit rating

[outer stump]

Oh I see

Good that I didn't maxed SG radars yet

[hot creek]

something for valentine's. maybe you'll get a special line or something idk.

[outer stump]

Is the CA gun good?

[zenith tundra]

oh need to enable sound then

[outer stump]

I think that BB gun will be meta soon enough

[zenith tundra]

should be upgrade for 203 he that we have now

[hot creek]

yeah, no idea whats gonna happen but intern told us to do that so

[zenith tundra]

bb gun is for pve only. salvo damage to low for the reload gain

is for barrage boats and too weak for pvp

also my waifu is not in en so rip me... guess i'll pick aya instead

[clear cloud]

throw 2 shells and have no prblm
you dont need 4-5k damage to clear mob

[zenith tundra]

that is why is a pve gun not pvp because u need the salvo dmg in pvp

bb will be double shell

381 he

gold

[clear cloud]

fastest gold HE CA main gun
and fastest gold HE BB gun

[zenith tundra]

yes 406 for dmg 410 for barrage

[clear cloud]

always mk6 for pvp

[outer stump]

Oh sad

[zenith tundra]

i love 410 more then 406 in pve tbh

[clear cloud]

pretty much vry strong

[zenith tundra]

1st white shell then 381 for pve so my amagi will be a god in both pvp and pve

[clear cloud]

throw that gun on Deutschland and you will deal 1k dmg per shot to light armor

[modern tree]

arent the guns PR now instead of core data?

[zenith tundra]

i think pr has different ones then core data

[outer stump]

What's the difference? Or the best?

[modern tree]

pretty sure at least the hoodgun, 381 HE is PR only in other regions

[clear cloud]

pr will have best CA HE and AP gun, and a BB AP gun that have similar damage to mk6

[zenith tundra]

white is for hit and crit damage while black has extra fp crit chance

[modern tree]

White shell is crit damage and ACC, black shel is crit rate and no ACC, white shell is objectively better by stats alone.

[outer stump]

So I suppose the hit one is better?

[zenith tundra]

white is 1st choice imo for hit

[outer stump]

What if I take both?

[clear cloud]

use both
you can only equip one each

[outer stump]

Wait do they stack?

[zenith tundra]

u would use both on a bb tbh

[outer stump]

I mean the passives

[modern tree]

getting both is month of your life gone

[zenith tundra]

one is crit dmg and one is crit chance

[modern tree]

but they do stack to an effect

[zenith tundra]

no reason not to stack

[outer stump]

How hard is to but something from core data?

[zenith tundra]

actually are good together

[modern tree]

not sure how good just dumping evasion for damage is because we never really had a real option to do it

[zenith tundra]

u get 60pts x day

1800 x month

[outer stump]

I think the shellings already have their own hit without the hit stat... I think having 2 white ones isn't worth

@zenith tundra well not that hard I suppose...

And I've heard the daily hard stages will be 3/3?

[zenith tundra]

shop doesnt have all at the same time

so u might need to wait

[outer stump]

It resets per month as I've heard?

[zenith tundra]

so it should be

[outer stump]

The CA gun is good?

[zenith tundra]

should be bis for now

[finite valve]

so how many ppl in here going to rush black / white shell you bunch of pvp try hard?

[vague token]

wait, do you use both shells or just the damage one?

[finite valve]

you use both

since each shell give diff bonus

[modern tree]

for pvp you use white or both

[vague token]

i figured it'd just be white

[clear cloud]

may need SG radar on bb with low acc and luck

[modern tree]

make your own decissions in life because you are allowed to do that now

[vague token]

no accuracy on the black one

[modern tree]

I am probably getting white shell and 818 if they happen to be in the shop at the time, but who knows what we will see

[vague token]

818 is ark royal's torp plane right?

[modern tree]

Its the slow torps, yes

(it stacks with Ark's skill)

[vague token]

slows stack?

[finite valve]

implying you going to use ark in pvp?

[vague token]

o.O

[clear cloud]

wait hard mode only until chap 6 and chap 6 only gives 16 cores per clear
16x3x30
only 1440

[vague token]

i used to until now xD

[modern tree]

Oh, I am not implying I am going to, I am already using Ark in pvp

[clear cloud]

cant get 2 gold in a month

[finite valve]

different skill stack

[vague token]

i doubt slows stack additive though

that would mean if you got hit by 2 slows you cant move

lol

[finite valve]

@clear cloud is 16x3x14 for this month since shop reset after the end of each month

[modern tree]

start moving backwards

[vague token]

xD

[clear cloud]

84% slow

well im sad now

[modern tree]

818 with Ark slow is about 80% afaik

[hot creek]

you'll only have enough days in the month to choose one anyways.

[finite valve]

672 point

[modern tree]

818 is also good on Akaga either way

[finite valve]

not even enough to buy 1 gold

gg

[vague token]

it says they're their own torps, are they aimed or parallel?

o.o

[finite valve]

pretty sure any plane that is not from JP are parallel

[clear cloud]

parallel and only slow when hitted

[vague token]

ark royal's actual skill has aim torps

so i just wanted to check

xD

[outer stump]

Is this plane better than Barracuda?

[finite valve]

all the planes in core data are just for niche use

[modern tree]

better? nooo

[finite valve]

they are in no way better

[modern tree]

818 is utility plane

[clear cloud]

torp damage is similar if not wrong
barra has higher suicide damage

[outer stump]

I mean a plane whit slow is actually a thing

[modern tree]

818 is slower to take off and has less health, yea. You use it for slow specifically

[finite valve]

you better off saving for black / white shell anyway

they are the best bang of the buck for pvp

[outer stump]

The reload is almost same as the Barracuda

[modern tree]

they are useless for akaga so be considerate

[outer stump]

[modern tree]

818 is a funny combo with Ryuusei on Akaga (mileage may vary)

[clear cloud]

you need to adjust the speed tho

need maybe 2-3 sec diff between akagi and kaga

[modern tree]

you dont need to adjust the speed because Ryuusei is decent bit slower than 818

[clear cloud]

oh ya right

[modern tree]

then again, just adjusting with a fighter should be easy enough if the difference is insufficent

[clear cloud]

ark with 818 then double ryuusei

[modern tree]

unlike Ark, 818 has to hit the target for the slow, which probably means its not very useful for that in pve, especially vs 9-4 carousel

[gilded atlas]

Is it me or opponent's Amagi barrage seems different from mine in pvp

mine always come in x shape ap while enemy sides

Its been the same for 3 different guys

[modern tree]

it's on the list of known bugs

which means, yeah, the barrage is not right at the moment

[finite valve]

4 times the charm?

gg.com

tfw you stuff too much shit in 1 ship that you have no idea how to fix them

nice

[outer stump]

I think amagi is the only ship whit a lot of bugs whit her barrage

I mean there were like 2 or 3 hotfixes for her barrage skill

[finite valve]

not helping that her barrage is fill to the brim with shit in them lel

[zenith tundra]

i love amagi barrage but the amount of bugs with it is kinda dumb

im starting to wonder if it ever worked properly at any time since it came out

[vague token]

what do they even want from it lol

is it supposed to shoot specifically her opponent

is it a full screen cleave

?_?

[hot creek]

delete the barrage altogther and call it a day 👍

[modern tree]

amagiwasamistake

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah could we also delete Belfast's Smokescreen and make Enty's "immune" evasion so you can eventually counter it.

[zenith tundra]

how about we just delete the game

[pearl nimbus]

^

I agre-....oh wait I've spent money on it....shit!

[odd schooner]

So who's buying white shells first

[vague token]

me!

how is that ca gun?

[shy hazel]

[odd schooner]

Oh right there's ca gun too

[modern tree]

HE CA gun is a straight upgrade to purple 203 mounted which is currently used as only HE CA gun

[odd schooner]

Wait

[shy hazel]

my 2nd oxytorp first

superior torp memes

[odd schooner]

Ye I guess everyone even amagi will have white shell

Goodbye evasion

Lmao

[modern tree]

I wanted to be a hipster and get 818 first but I will probably get white shell to play with Warspite again

[odd schooner]

What is nep gun

[modern tree]

then again, we might just get neither in the exchange

[shy hazel]

just believe

[vague token]

is the core exchange server side?

[shy hazel]

[vague token]

or is it unique to each client

[shy hazel]

we may even get newer items like

[odd schooner]

EN is special so ye

[shy hazel]

jet fuel

[odd schooner]

I can't even locate the skins on the patch

I assume we're getting the same skins cn/jp will have

Oh right jet fuel

Jfc lmao

[shy hazel]

faster strikes

pogchamp

[vague token]

watch first month is all lame stuff

[shy hazel]

wipe their vg first with that extra

[vague token]

xD

[shy hazel]

few seconds

[vague token]

or like oxytorp when there wouldnt be enough time? xD

[shy hazel]

have lots of times to get no prob

depending on what u get first

[modern tree]

first month is welcome to be trash since we cant mathematically get anything good

[shy hazel]

it maybe an early advantage

in pvp

[modern tree]

oh yeah, attackers need more advantages

[shy hazel]

white shells got hit and crit

jetfuel got faster strike

everyone knows what oxytorp does

[modern tree]

I think that if we get 381 kai it will have more impact than any of the above, but its PR only in other regions now so who actually knows

[shy hazel]

if u choose to be top meme u can just get

akatsuki

for first month

[odd schooner]

So many things to consider getting

[zenith tundra]

let's see what is available 1st

[shy hazel]

im at least positive theres at least

white shells

[zenith tundra]

hope so tbh

[shy hazel]

its v useful pve or pvp so ye

[zenith tundra]

if no white shell or 381 i'll go for oxy

[ivory vine]

i hope no oxy so i can get something else w/o feeling bad about not going for the meme

[vague token]

"here is a bunch of t5 boxes lol and akatsuki "

[zenith tundra]

i'm more curious if the shop will reset every 14th of every month or 1st also will u be able to buy more then one same item in the same month. wonder if anyone knows anything about that

[odd schooner]

Man i think

With current en meta

Jetfuel will be a big deal

[subtle whale]

so core data just save fpr oxy?

[zenith tundra]

any bb should use white shell for pvp is too good

[modern tree]

jet fuel is just oil tank that is power crept a little, if anything the beacon will have more impact because earlier strikes are earlier kills

[subtle whale]

oh yeah the white and black shell is a thing huh

[zenith tundra]

oxy is quite expensive considering u can buy 2 items with same price

[odd schooner]

How many seconds does the beacon cover

[subtle whale]

white and black shells which one better to be bo3ught early?

[zenith tundra]

white for hit

[modern tree]

Homing Beacon is 60 aviation and ability: Decreases the cooldown of airstrikes by 4%.

[odd schooner]

If akaga is at 12s flight it's .08 seconds faster

[modern tree]

second strike is going to be close to a second faster

[odd schooner]

But how many seconds does flight speed do

[modern tree]

it just makes every plane reppu

[zenith tundra]

i can see the jet fuel as replace for drop tank but would u really use homing beacon over cata?

150 less hp 40 less aviation for a 4% cd that in en meta is pointless since u auto win already

plus akaga gets extra aviation from skill so aviation is even more important

[stiff shoal]

mhm

[odd schooner]

I'm gonna go white shells first since they can still defend themselves from akaga anyway

[zenith tundra]

what would u drop for white shell on amagi? hsfcr or sg?

[shy hazel]

sg

cos iirc shells has hit stat

[zenith tundra]

i guess since def doesn't matter just go full damage lol

[shy hazel]

i dont even consider sg radars evasion lol

i use it just for hit

plus ten it for dankier stats

[odd schooner]

You haven't tried double sg yet?

[shy hazel]

pls nope

[ivory vine]

but then i dont have my like 8s barrage

[zenith tundra]

i would never take hsfcr off for sg tbh

[shy hazel]

hfcr and sg is enuf

sometimes u use gold and purple hsfcr together

just for hit

[ivory vine]

with 381 it might still be pre smoke w/o gold fcr

but then i dont have a fuckin shell to put on anyway cuz i bought a 381

[zenith tundra]

381 is not recommended for pvp because of low salvo dmg

cn wiki also suggest 406 on amagi for pvp lol

[ivory vine]

idt 406 is faster than bel smoke is it?

[shy hazel]

i use 410 on amagi

[ivory vine]

iirc it's like 9s

but barrage is delayed a little bit after firing starts

[zenith tundra]

we don't have namaga in en so amagi is flagship which makes her barrage so much more useful then salvo dmg

as not flagship 406 should be better

[ivory vine]

yeah when she's not flagship barrage wont even hit vg a lot of the time

unless they move in front of her obviously

[shy hazel]

at least her barrage tilts a little

wash barrage doesnt even

lol

[ivory vine]

afaik amagi barrage is the only one that has any targetting

[shy hazel]

thats why its so buggy

[zenith tundra]

idk i found hood barrage on def to work a bit differently then off too. at least when she was used

[shy hazel]

now little to none uses hood in pvp anymore

amagi is just direct upgradr

lol

[zenith tundra]

she's gonna to be revived with doy tho

[shy hazel]

well see soon

[zenith tundra]

with amakaga def i don't think u'll have trouble with using hms

[shy hazel]

we got shellsso maybe her very dumb hit

ill be better

hood was like so useless

without hit

auxes

[zenith tundra]

amagi hit rating is as bad as hood

[shy hazel]

barrage and debuff saved amagi tho

lol

[modern tree]

+hit items is kind of the only option we have for pvp so hood was never bad

[zenith tundra]

i know amagi is better but her hit rating is bad just as hood

u should still run hit in pvp because of dds

[modern tree]

Hood can still sink about any boat with double barrage with only one +hit item too, shes a good boat

[zenith tundra]

i'm kinda of curious how u setup doy with hood to make it most efficient. guess hsfcr on doy and hope she hits hood target/own barrage target

with 410 equipped maybe

[modern tree]

why put fcr on doy if hood shooting faster is 40% more reload for her

and fcr would put both guns at "faster than her barrage" which probably means nothing but still

[zenith tundra]

hood barrage on debuff looks like almost one shoot to me considering the extra salvo dmg on 1st shoot

[modern tree]

lol 4 shells

[zenith tundra]

the problem is targeting tho

[modern tree]

I dont think 12% damage increase is going to be bigger than her just hitting the target

so if you are hitting the target

then they are probably sinking

[zenith tundra]

guess just 406 for the dmg

[modern tree]

regardless of wether it was before or after barrage

the biggest difference is going to be 1st shot going to the VG because 50% damage increase + 12% damage after that is proooobably going to evaporate about anything if she lands the shells

[zenith tundra]

is doy barrage like ws as targeting?

[modern tree]

only question is how good is it, but you should be technically outgunning any fleet between hood barrage reload buff and 12% increased damage after the shellings

I think doy barrage is just wimpy wash barrage

not murrican enough

its still consistent damage on a thing

[zenith tundra]

still cn wiki recommends 410 as gun on her plus technically speaking 410 has better dmg x salvo then 406

[modern tree]

its probably just for the debuff uptime and I am sort of inclined to agree, but I will be testing both

[zenith tundra]

this is from ywis guide: Every 20s, fires an aimed Normal slowing (-40% Speed for 6s) barrage (4 356mm quad-like shots) at the farthest available target.

should be accurate but who knows

how much does ws do in en right now with her barrage?

[ionic magnet]

hood is still the 2nd best BB/BC rn right? dont think you can call her bad

ws barrage hmm around 1.5k-2k iirc

[zenith tundra]

hood is good but only usable in hms comps because amagi outshines her in any other case tbh

[ionic magnet]

yes thats what im saying shes 2nd best BB/BC

[zenith tundra]

i should give her a try maybe u can do something with that crit dmg on white shell

[modern tree]

WS deals 1500 per shell against medium armour

The consistency of the barrage makes her often way outdamage Hood

white shell will probably make it much better than it is now with grand old ladys base luck value, I have a lot of things to test

[ionic magnet]

btw how do we get core data? hard mode only?

[modern tree]

(Warspite has luck of 90 which is about as high as a boat can be)

[zenith tundra]

amagi is such a troll.... missed both ws barrage shoots lol

core data is a shop u get points from hards and u get 20 x clear with max daily hards going from 6 to 3 and u get double bps drop

[ionic magnet]

oh theyre changing hard mode this maintenance too?

[zenith tundra]

i critted 1.4k with this

with core data it goes down to 3 hards yes

[ionic magnet]

sounds about right

[zenith tundra]

it's so low tbh also scary amakaga without def vanguard

my qe almost dead after 15 secs

[ionic magnet]

yes QE is just a sad bote

[vague token]

qe retro when

xD

[zenith tundra]

qe retro would make hms even better since ws retro can be used everywhere

[ionic magnet]

thats the time when HMS will be really useable

by useable i mean cancer

[vague token]

id say lets do QE retro, yamato, and iowa class all in same patch

full cancer patch

;)

[ionic magnet]

fight cancer with cancer

[vague token]

uss missouri or uss iowa though

[zenith tundra]

not good equip but rly...

[vague token]

oof

hood might be better center to soak that damage?

[zenith tundra]

idk i'm starting to think that amagi is indeed broken

[vague token]

lol, welcome to the club

[ionic magnet]

did you just put QE as flagship

[shy hazel]

ive been using washama for a longvtime

amakaga is just broken

period

lll

lol

[vague token]

na, amakaga isnt that bad

without suicide

it's the extra vanguard torp pressure that breaks it

cause then the frontloaded damage is insane

[zenith tundra]

2nd try so much better lol

[vague token]

you dont have a battle

[ionic magnet]

QE makes enemy ships look op to be fair

[zenith tundra]

i need good equip to even stand a chance against that wtf. it's so dumb how much amakaga makes things easy

[ionic magnet]

[buoyant parrot]

@zenith tundra you hate amakaga meta? Use this then.

[zenith tundra]

rather forget pvp then use wasd

[buoyant parrot]

Well that's the only set up that can par against Amakaga meta right now

[subtle whale]

so for data shop

better to get the shells right

[zenith tundra]

if u use bb/bc yes

for bb also double shell is great (white+black)

not recommended on bc tho

also white is best shell because of hit rating

[shy hazel]

hit and crit

[zenith tundra]

crit dmg is not as good as chance

[odd schooner]

The issue is that black shell doesn't have accu

Or am I reading wrong stuff

Wait

Ye just fp

[dull hollow]

crit chance also tied to accuracy so shoving the FCR on 1 ship still good trade off

[odd schooner]

How good is the dmg spike when using white shell sg from double sg

It affects aux guns too?

[zenith tundra]

55 extra fp + lucky crrits

all crit dmg is affected

[vague token]

25% is a lot

[odd schooner]

Good good

[dull hollow]

no it's shelling only and doesnt affect skills

not sure about 2ndaries

never really checked

[odd schooner]

I see

[dull hollow]

still a good default to throw onto carries cuz damage + acc

[vague token]

yeah it says shelling

[odd schooner]

So we're only gonna go get 381 after getting all our BBs white shells?

[ionic magnet]

so white shell + radar is still good?

[dull hollow]

iunno

i prefered black shell all the way

i dont think it end ups significantly affecting much in pvp tho

[zenith tundra]

if u want dmg double shell

[dull hollow]

you just trade for different spectrums of dmg vs survability

[zenith tundra]

problem with evasion is that it doesn't work on akaga planes touchdown

[ionic magnet]

i guess

[dull hollow]

the delta in winrate is probably less than 5%

if it's even that high

akaga should become nonissue for FW once shells roll in

and once nagato + ykkz drop akaga is ded comp

[odd schooner]

I see

Wait so amagi will use it too

[dull hollow]

every BB uses shells

[odd schooner]

Wonder if i should take out fcr when i go pve

[dull hollow]

FCR in pve is only for timing memes

[zenith tundra]

why would u use slow wasd over amakaga in en...

[odd schooner]

Lmao ok then

Ye i need slot for sg

Also annoying brat bosses has evasion

[dull hollow]

i never ran

accuracy

outside of STAAG and white shell

all the way into w12-4

and my BB hit fine

centaur gives you much more hitrate cuz ur shells dont physically whiff

[odd schooner]

Gib elf

[idle python]

Centaur+818+monarch barrage

[odd schooner]

Ye i guess dork can be my boss bb

[idle python]

Maya hardly moves on 12-4 after that

[dull hollow]

monarch with FCR catches the last bit of Centaur buff

for 2nd shot in pvp

[odd schooner]

Can you feel aviation fuel on pvp?

[ionic magnet]

when core shop refresh every month, all items get replaced by new ones?

[dull hollow]

lol fuel

fuel kinda worth if ur running a solo CV

solo CVs tend to be relegated to utility bots anyway

mostly trying to cheese 818 slow for bb shelling

or flagship damage if you have the right ship

[odd schooner]

Do we go for mental units first

Before all the hype stuff

Like 6 ships to lvl cap

[zenith tundra]

i doubt they'll be in the shop for now

[idle python]

I personally don't bother with cognition in core shop

[dull hollow]

i dont remember

the rlease schedule

of the shop

[idle python]

You might fall slightly behind for a couple weeks but you get so much anyway

[dull hollow]

i also dont know if EN will follow the schedule

because it took

a while

for shells to arrive

in the shops

for JP and CN

[odd schooner]

What's the core shop look like before shells arrived

Skins?

[dull hollow]

bunch of random gear

203 CA gun

idek 381 was there

was a long time ago

[idle python]

If en is getting jp's core data shop before shells were released then the only things worth are dildo CA gun and hood gun (if it's there)

[shy hazel]

i think well pretty much get everything early

considering we get rerun versions of events

no reason to keep it outdated

[odd schooner]

They could screw us up like VDIR

No nanoda

[shy hazel]

thank god no nanoda pls

imagine pvp

[zenith tundra]

nanoda as 2nd event in the server doesn't sound smart

[shy hazel]

nanoda,with wass

wasd

zulul

[dull hollow]

what does ykkz have anything to do with wasd

[shy hazel]

more fked up delayed fights

[odd schooner]

Stall

[dull hollow]

that's... not how you would play FW

[odd schooner]

We're currently doing what you said

Suicide strat

[shy hazel]

im pretfy sure itl come to that

lol

[dull hollow]

stall FW will be phased out once shells arrive

it like somewhat works now cuz there's no real damage in EN

suicide FW is relegated to being a hard akaga counter

[idle python]

I've tried ykkz on fw before but I found Aurora to be more useful anyway

[dull hollow]

yeah ykkz has no place in fw lmao

[odd schooner]

Wait so we slot aurora

[dull hollow]

it doesnt rly matter what u slot

all 3 of them are gonna die

[idle python]

They aren't interchanagable

[dull hollow]

tho i never did research if aurora debuff

[odd schooner]

Yeah

[dull hollow]

applies

post death

a lot of buffs

apply post death

in this game

so aurora's could potentially stay

no that it would matter that much since 2ndaries shred

so quickly anyway

[odd schooner]

Wording says while alive

[idle python]

Well when I was testing with ykkz vs Aurora I wasn't running it with suicide comp and still found Aurora better

[dull hollow]

fw's biggest problem is their damage

not their ability to tank damage

so anything that works as a steroid

would be helpful

suicide FW just cuts out the nonsense with front vs front

[shy hazel]

woulx u rly want to fight wasd with ykkz though in gensui rush when we didnt have aurora amagi and some,stuff yet

sounds pain

i think its a good call not to put ykkz that early

[dull hollow]

ppl think ykkz is a tank goddess

she isnt

she's pretty squishy in pvp

[idle python]

Yeah ykkz and potentially mogami kai would be pretty wacky that early

[dull hollow]

her backline buff would be wasted on FW

sometimes she dies to airstrikes before junny

so troll

[idle python]

That rarely ever happens for me though

And pretty much never does for namagi at least

Though yeah she can be pretty inconsistent at times

[dull hollow]

it's rare but it happens enough that ur like

"real"

DD curse in pvp in general

low HP + low AA

vs cv

it's a rng shitshow

[shy hazel]

now we need rerun for another oxytorp and the new ships

[ivory vine]

hell yeah

another ryuusei

and i can get the reppu i missed

[shy hazel]

faster takeoff

[dull hollow]

dont need reppu when u got f4u

[ivory vine]

what if i have 2 cv

[dull hollow]

still dont need it

u already got 1 reppu

from first event

[ivory vine]

i missed it

that was the point

[shy hazel]

i use both right now

[ivory vine]

i started like halfway through vdir

[shy hazel]

reppu f4u superior cv memes

[ivory vine]

so i got oxytorp/ryuusei and zkk

[dull hollow]

u bought zkk

the most worth thing there was probably the reppu and ryuusei

ah well

[idle python]

what if I want to use lusty and Langley in pvp

[shy hazel]

need one more

[dull hollow]

reppu eventaully gets added to research pool

[ivory vine]

oxy torp best thing for memes