pvp

[odd schooner]

Did you check if they got higher points

[supple stratus]

IDK if they have higher points, but i mostly target leftmost if i think i can win

[vague token]

for points you usually have to, no "if i can win"

you just do it

and reset until you get it

the struggle

[supple stratus]

Oh, i get same amount of points from victory and loss?

[odd schooner]

No

You don't gain any if you lose

[supple stratus]

Well i usually refresh until my left is winnable for points

[odd schooner]

Well you can still get half the AP but 0 points will be made

[vague token]

you get half merits yeah

[odd schooner]

Also facing an opponent with lesser points than you will give you penalty

[supple stratus]

I know

I aim for those above my rank only

Although i don't know how to tell the point gap

[odd schooner]

But why above 500

[vague token]

o.o

[odd schooner]

Should be top 100

Did you somehow lost to anyone this season

[supple stratus]

I've lost like 3 times, but RN:

Score of 1238,
Rank 778,
Commodore Rank 12

I keep getting dragged down on defense it seems

[odd schooner]

Your defense doesn't have any effect on your offense

It's because you already lost 3x

[supple stratus]

It does affect my rank however

[odd schooner]

That's already a wide gap

[supple stratus]

Welp, i only hope to stay in top 700 by the end of the season

Only 100 point gap between me and top of the board

[ionic magnet]

top 1 rn is not the real top 1 tho

[odd schooner]

If you include end season it's 157 point gap

[supple stratus]

Always a bigger fish in the sea

[formal yew]

huh

[clear cloud]

torp backline

[formal yew]

oh yeah never noticed that

memer

[clear cloud]

anyone try deautchland/spec with max skill?

can them one shot CL ?

[modern tree]

I have not tried it yet but I will tell you right now that even if all 4 projectiles from the 203 mounted crit, she will deal roughly 2k damage only and that's between 25% to 33% of a CL health in pvp

[ivory vine]

isnt it targetted at the farthest enemy tho?

[modern tree]

You would never use the german meme gun in pvp or anywhere because shark barrage is fucking dope

And CA guns have the inverse stats to CL guns, so HE fires faster with lower damage etc

[ivory vine]

i forgot she even had a skill

and i apparently cant read cuz i didnt even see 203 mounted

[modern tree]

She can probably hurt some ships but I don't know if that will ever happen at the speed that let's you win

I am totally trying at some point tho

[vague token]

i need to check out the shark barrage xD

i havent used her so i dunno what it looks like

oh god that is a big wedge

of ap rounds

[clear cloud]

and it is super fast

[clear cloud]

after calculation with spec+deutchland can almost KO jintsu kai at first shot with no miss
still need do real testing tho
(with +10 283)

[vague token]

which one is the 283? xD

[clear cloud]

that gun that target furthest target

[vague token]

oh their unique gun

[clear cloud]

does pvp have level difference buff debuff?

[vague token]

it should

lot of damage and i think accuracy

if you outlevel

[clear cloud]

wait wrong calculation
forget to calculate armor modifier
spec+deutchland should only deal about half of jintsu Hp at 1st shot

[vague token]

oof

[clear cloud]

any recommendation to counter ijn torp frontfleet?

[coral wren]

leander kai

the only solution so far

[vague token]

technically any start of match smoke

but leander is the best

xD

/using bailey as a stop gap until i level leander

[supple stratus]

Holy shit i'm a rear admiral

So guys i did it, i feel accomplished

[clear cloud]

i just use full CL and torp bulge
still die

congratz

[supple stratus]

And now to see my rank drop further than my standards after tonight

[clear cloud]

usually ill drop to 1k
then next day back to 2-300

[supple stratus]

I'm really aggressive, but a weak defender with my fleet

Probs gonna drop down to 1000-1500 after today

[dull hollow]

TSM setup actually feels pretty good

[lament lichen]

Warspite solo delete

[dull hollow]

with an FCR and 381 or 410

[dull hollow]

she can pop whoever she aims at

u skip the fat with monarch

[lament lichen]

Seems about right

[clear cloud]

no monarch?

[dull hollow]

i mean

im sure

monarch is good

but

this setup I liked a lot

[lament lichen]

Dont really meed her

[dull hollow]

very littled rng

and it fights vs

120 metaball comps

like u just posted

just fine

the thing is

if I were to play monarch

I wouldnt do cross map deletion

I put monarch mid

and warspite sidelane

because warspite + monarch is such incredible levels of overkill

and monarch gimped with 381s is a pretty tepid ship

her barrage will never hit anything else

so for me

if you leave monarch mid

she can punish the flag

and have warspite off to the side

also securing deletions

tsm setup means I trade monarch's barrage for much more shelling damage overall

whether or not the TSM setup is significantly stronger than monarch remains to be seen

Ineed to levle warspite to 118+

before I have an even testing ground

[clear cloud]

do you think when essex out USS will have chance against amakaga

[dull hollow]

no because ur missing a 3rd CV member that doesn't suck

well it'll be better than lustyE that's for sure

but it's not gonna kick akaga out

even the perfect EssexE setup only goes even vs Akaga

like ppl bitch about nagato a lot but honestly JP pvp was pretty balanced

you had 4 comps you could play

with fairly even winrates

well FW was kinda stuck being an Akaga counter only

but

that kinda rock paper scissors felt kinda good

[ivory vine]

didnt centaur end up better for essex fleets than saratoga kai?

[dull hollow]

yeah

sarakai dogshit ship

[ivory vine]

cuz centaur is balanced

[dull hollow]

i'm actually having some misgivings about Namagi spite but I havent tested yet

since without some buffs and amagi's somewhat RNG shelling im not certain

that u can get a deletion off at 10s

but maybe u can

we'll see

[ivory vine]

is nagato still that good to run if you were using ws kai tho?

maybe you'd be better off running something else w/ amagi

[dull hollow]

i mean

[ivory vine]

or there could just be not that good of a comp w/ that

[dull hollow]

namagi syngery kinda broke

but u could try hyuuga in the middle to give warspite more boof

[ivory vine]

mikasa

[dull hollow]

mikasa if u want to lose

[ivory vine]

but you couldnt make her buff ws barrage anyway

also her stats are fuckin yikes

[lament lichen]

Mikasa lul

[coral wren]

she looks decent

[ivory vine]

that's all she does

[coral wren]

better than pow for sure 😄

[ivory vine]

like the whole kongou class as well

also i knew mikasa had bad stats

but i didnt realize just how bad they were

[coral wren]

dork should replace ws, right?

[coral wren]

is it a bad idea to use high evasion boats for a defensive fleet? like javelin kai, cygnet kai, belfast for the screen

[random vault]

if u trying to stall that team will not work because your opponent can just use aurora

[odd schooner]

@coral wren they're under disposable units section due to aurora's existence

So you'll have to think twice on using them

Much better if you have a friend

Have the same exact fleet then collect a lot of data by resetting when the fight is about to end

[modern tree]

Z vanguard backed by Zeppelin, which is probably the sturdiest way to do the evasion thing, does not last a whole lot vs Aurora and even if not facing Aurora, the perks of running 3 destroyers up front are rather low thanks to wonderful fox that says TORPS (Jintsuu) basically outperforming every destroyer in the universe by herself and ridiculously buffing any others that run with her.

Please do math on Z vanguard evasion before claiming its actually rather low.

That said, stacking smokes is alright, if you toss out the Javelin and put in a stally boat like Eldridge, Portland kai, Juneau or something else, they have a good chance to outlast your backline in the current meta

I have ran Juneau Belfast Leander on HMS, with Juneau up front because she never sinks otherwise, it's super tanky (on offense) which creates some issues regarding your main fleet, since if they cant put out the damage fast enough they just sink before your front does and its sad.

[clear cloud]

i previously use eldridge juneau and fortune kai
fox airstrike and frontline dead

[modern tree]

gonna make some cancer fleet around this idea now

[modern tree]

Did everyone suddenly decide that Aurora is a bad boat to run with foxes? I cant find a single fleet with her

regardless, here is my amazing idea, it beats wasd e unless you get unlucky and end up in enty duel, seems to kill foxes rather fast, but I am not sure if the fox fleets I am fighting are any good, it seems like nobody knows what they want in their VG anymore

Enterprise is holding the beaver badge because 90 luck, Portland has double SG instead

not sure if I like Juneau in the back because getting healed with the tear makes her never sink on offense, but on defense its probably better

This team

randomly kills so fast

that I killed off my 3 test fleets

such a bother

I recorded some games vs amakaga with torp memes and belfast

[modern tree]

https://player.twitch.tv/?video=v378333880

[ionic magnet]

why port kai btw

are you just testing her or smth

[modern tree]

because 2 reasons

[ionic magnet]

from that vid i dont think i can say she tanks

shes even in the middle

[modern tree]

If I bump into Eldridge or other stally shit, I need power up my frontline to push through since my enterprise is not going to be doing enough and I do not have Aurora, Shes also a CA that will look a lot tankier vs Aurora that I cant find for the life of me

I might move the beaver badge to her from Enterprise, I was scared Enterprise is just going to die vs amagi barrage but it doesnt seem to be the case

not like she gets to do more then one airstrike anyways games dont last this long

my current lobby has 4 fox fleets and 0 Auroras

what is this life

It is possible that this meme is better with Aurora instead of Port and I guess I should try it

[ionic magnet]

i was about to suggest aurora cos portland isnt doing much from what i see

its all rng ive yet to get any fox too

how about jintsuu

[modern tree]

Who can't into Aurora?

[coral wren]

ill trade u for some red books

[gritty cove]

This is what I do, works fine

[odd schooner]

On offense juneau is probably best placed front if due to enemy torp dealing lesser dmg

Defense is a different matter

[modern tree]

Belfast seems to make Aurora a non factor which may be why people just started cutting it to get their own Belfast

[odd schooner]

Or to flex their l2d skin

[modern tree]

this skin is garbage I am sure thats also a factor, but I don't see that many people using it, even if every fox fleet in my lobby has a Belfast

Maybe Leander is just better than Aurora for this 3 carrier meme, but that will probably make Juneau actually never sink unless up front and with gimped gear. Are there any other boats even worth considering? I thought about Jintsuu and I am probably going to put her in my defense fleet, but keep her out of my offense

[odd schooner]

Oh the 3 cv?

Just wait out sirius

She's close

Like available option is very limited

Leander, Belfast, Portkai, Juneau, Jintsuu, Fortune Kai, Ayanami Kai, Cleveland, Helena

Eldridge vs Eldridge fight

[modern tree]

Sirius is probably going to do better because she doesnt have to stay afloat for her skill and she seems a lot tankier than Aurora

[odd schooner]

Can her skill support her low stats?

Sincr it's triple CV

[modern tree]

its not a factor because vg ships dont do shit either way Between her straight FP boost and DD gun she might be able to do something with her gun, her Torpedoes are actually not there, however.

she has like 161 torp stat at 120 lvl

[odd schooner]

Lmao

Gdi

[modern tree]

Dont even know why they bothered giving her preloaded torps. If they gave her mgm+1, even with her trash gun efficency she would be pretty fucking scary, and this way shes just a buff boat with a chunk of HP

[vague token]

i mean, isnt that better for support boats to not be beasts themselves? xD

[elder crane]

"just a buff boat with a chunk of HP"
As if that's not enough already

[outer stump]

Do you guys recommend Illustrious in PvP?

[modern tree]

Shes only ever good against Enterprise, and possibly only if you are using Eldridge, which is another boat that is pretty hard to recommend with foxes and auroras around, so not really

Double fighter is just not great

[outer stump]

Idk if she is worth keeping anymore

Only torps

And I don't need that many fighters

[modern tree]

she can be decent in pve, screen clear and shield can do a lot to stop the damage, but it might be a little too early for her to be useful there, and in pvp she is moderately useless unless you really have no other answers to Enterprise or you really love using Eldridge.

[outer stump]

Oh

[coral wren]

[vague token]

that's an oof

you could say she's

lit?

seeing some weird belfast/eldridge/aya amakagas

vanguards all over the place right now

[modest osprey]

That’s my build

[modern tree]

but why

[vague token]

oh xD

[modest osprey]

Evasion skills

[vague token]

i will point out that running aurora makes it so that offtank eldridge is like

70-80% chance of dying

before 20

and that's with a CA

if i ran torps she'd probably just die

xD

[odd schooner]

2 will die on that fleet if they get hit by torps

[shy hazel]

Pray for eldridge kai

Remove the 20 seconds limiter

And covers backline too

[serene knot]

I was reading about the transition to the jintsuu aurora meta. How's that comp?

[shy hazel]

Braindead and broken

Thats why everyone uses it including me

[native mantle]

ok thats the first time to see this

[shy hazel]

It would have been abit acceptable

If there was no z46

[sharp obsidian]

@coral wren , how'd that Juneau survive 😮

[coral wren]

Amakaga juneau belfap ayaya mirror match, put her in the front, moved backwards so the middle and back unit took the torps, survived plane lag x2

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[shy hazel]

When u want jun to die and heal u but she the mvp instead

[serene knot]

@shy hazel sounds like a good comp lol. Who accompanies them? Juneau? Backline enty + akaga or something?

[shy hazel]

Amakaga jintsu aurora and one freeslot

Either u go juneau and belfast for safety

Or ayanami for xtra torp memes

[serene knot]

Awesome. Still need akaga and jintsuu, all others are in the bag and 90+, but I'll be farming them next. Just need to clear 10-4 first.

[shy hazel]

Get akaga fast cos leveling tbose skills will take one whole pvp season

👌

[serene knot]

Well that depends on rng haha. But yeah, I'll burn oil on that asap

[shy hazel]

screw rng

Do it the farm way

[serene knot]

Hahahaha what do you mean?

[shy hazel]

I farmed 6 kagas and 3 akagis

In that place

[serene knot]

Wtf

[shy hazel]

As long as u farm it will drop

Whether it takes u a week or longer

⚒

Make rng bow down

[serene knot]

Well yeah. But I got scared after I heard about that guy that farmed then for one year

[shy hazel]

That person must be

Lazy

[coral wren]

7 akagi 5 kaga for me

[shy hazel]

Or is doing something wrong

If u use low cost oilcfleet

U can do 3-4 non stop

For like

3-5 days

[serene knot]

Right... Sadly I rank up all my ships lol. My low cost is like 25

[shy hazel]

Thats not low cost at all

[serene knot]

Yeah, exactly

I don't habe high level 0lb ships

[shy hazel]

Go farn fletchers or some low cost ships like

Hatakaze

[serene knot]

Oh right

[shy hazel]

Hatakaze costs only 1 oil even at lvl 70

[serene knot]

LOL

Well it'll take a few days to get them to a lvl where I can farm 3-4 I think

But that's interesting

[shy hazel]

Use any white fletched or zombie boats

Then one white cv ay backline

Per run should be about

7 oils

[serene knot]

What level do you think those boats can fight at 3-4?

[shy hazel]

31 oils per map clear

[serene knot]

Considering at least +6 equipment

[shy hazel]

Lvl 60 depending on gear

Lvl 50 can actually

[serene knot]

Ouch

Hmm

[shy hazel]

Its easier than u think

[serene knot]

It'll be a few days on dorm nonetheless, before they are battle ready

[shy hazel]

Just grind 2-3 or something

[serene knot]

Oh right

[shy hazel]

Low oil cost so no problem

Just dont do 1.2k oil comms for now

[serene knot]

True

[shy hazel]

[serene knot]

Oh yeah, I've stopped that a while ago

But yeah I don't know. I think I'll farm jintsuu first. I can't S it for now though

I don't think I will so soon anyway

[shy hazel]

The ranks after victory affects drop rate

If cant do 10-4 efficiently id recommend foxmines first

[serene knot]

I know

Really? Hmm

Well shit lol

[vague token]

maxing threat defense is helpful though

[odd schooner]

Jesus yamato @buoyant parrot

[vague token]

o.o

[odd schooner]

His Juneau kept on reviving his back

Technically suicide strat

[vague token]

that is unfortunate xD

[odd schooner]

Juneau pops = backline fully heals

Shreds my team

[ionic magnet]

get yourself a juneau too

[vague token]

yeah i usually only field juneau to match nowadays

otherwise she is in the 2nd floor

xD

[odd schooner]

I accidentally killed him sadly

Was checking all possibilities

The fastest i could kill is at 34s

Slowest at 47s

[vague token]

oof

[odd schooner]

Also it's a bit scary to have main fleet vs main fleet vanguard especially when sodak activates focused assault

[vague token]

true that

but hey it's only 30% so xD

[buoyant parrot]

@odd schooner It's just a silly wall. You can kill it with the same backline

[odd schooner]

Ye I'm just adding more data

I can't find sumire. He's trying a lot of ships this time

With core juneau and washington sodak

Your def is actually nice

Definitely better than the vanilla Washington fleet that dies in less than 30s

Heck 20s

[buoyant parrot]

I saw something better. Amakagi with a Juneau core

but I think that only works in def.

which reminds me, I can do that Hold on let me change def line

[odd schooner]

Want me to change too

[buoyant parrot]

There, have fun

[odd schooner]

Aight

[buoyant parrot]

ahh take note, Akagi and Kaga is not 200 Affection. Still working on it

[supple stratus]

That looks terrifying christ

I am surrounded by fear, all my excercise opponents are using meta comp and i'm just here with a HMS fleet

[split socket]

why are ur backline 13k? 2 gold cata ?

[ionic magnet]

most likely

[dull hollow]

Nothing wrong with 2 gold cata

[swift echo]

easier to kill the enemy before they kill you

[ionic magnet]

i mean oil tanks adds more dps compared to catas

[stable panther]

Jesus fucking christ, what is wrong with you people doing that

[supple stratus]

I wish for a gold Cata, where do i get them and Oxytorp?

[ionic magnet]

oxytorp is from prev event

[supple stratus]

[ionic magnet]

gold cata is from any t4 box

[supple stratus]

that's if it isn't a gold crane

[ionic magnet]

well yea

[shy hazel]

i like having two catas

dank stats

[shy hazel]

is

nekonin in this discord again

oh neko is here

wonder if active

👀

[odd schooner]

cyaneko?

[shy hazel]

cyaneko is cyaneko

if u try to tag Nekonin there's a person named one

so maybe

i think diff person

[analog hare]

[modern tree]

"Lecture hall" is auditorium, right?

[zenith tundra]

yeah should be auditorium

nice now we can level up stuff passivelly even more

kinda of tired of all my ship stuck at lvl 56 (the one i never use)

[modern tree]

It might end up being a chunk of exps considering only content that requires lvl 100 ships is w8 and above. Grinding oaths is now better too

[ivory vale]

What weapons should I add for South Dakota?

[modern tree]

Something like this, last aux and be Beaver Badge or another SG, AA can be something else but it's gonna be worse because soda has really high AA stat and its better to boost her fire rate by using bofors on boats with worse AA

[outer stump]

I bring one reloader and one FRC for BB but is this good? Or should I pick the radar too

[modern tree]

Just use SG radars, it's ACC which is important and boosts crit rate. It also just straight up doubles the BB evasion stat because in most cases the base one is hot garbage.

Reloader is useless unless you are reload tuning and slapping 20 FP on top of 400 FP is way worse than slapping 15 evasion on 19 evasion. (diminishing returns etc)

Exception is the HSFCR which has a pretty neat ability

[outer stump]

Idk I have 2 sg radars but golden gear hurts to max

I mean they are only +6

[modern tree]

knowing that sgs will sort of get phased out by rudders and shells hurts more than maxing them now

because our aux options for bbs truly suck atm

[outer stump]

Same for CA guns

But well I will max them someday

I mean I still need to max some gear... 2 more steam catapults ready to go...

Atm I will take fcr

[coral wren]

öh for fk sake. they introduce this when I ma done with 4 ships in my amakga fleet

[outer stump]

I'm actually done whit my exercise full BB fleet but actually sometimes I still have problems against amakaga... Guess they are that strong or am I having just a bad time?

[modern tree]

how good is your AA setup

[outer stump]

All having this gun?

But well maybe my problem in that fight was obviously the Torp comp cuz they did pretty good damage

Then the amakaga had a good time to finish me off

[modern tree]

I mean, it might be it, or it might just be that running ONLY bofors makes your range 28 and the tiny circle on uncontrolable VG means you are not really going to be shooting at many planes.

Range is pretty important for AA

[outer stump]

Oh

Well I mean someone told me this is good for BB's and I thought because of the fire rate

Now I'm not so sure

[modern tree]

unless you are getting 3 shots off at the plane swarm then its probably not worth it? You can probably easily get 2 shots and keep higher average range/damage thanks to 105/133

[outer stump]

I mean I'm having a lot of AA guns you know? But idk on which one should I use on what

[modern tree]

roomba on Juneau will already make your AA much stronger. I am a fan of using 105 on wash and sodako partially because I dont have enough roombas and partially because they are easier to minmax

[outer stump]

Roomba?

[modern tree]

113 also known as roomba or ufo

[outer stump]

Oh I don't actually have whit the names

Unfortunately I have only 2 of those

But should I bring the 113 on BB's?

I mean nice damage but the biggest reload

And I suppose the range is nice too

[modern tree]

its all about getting the 2 shots off

because the reload is average

for the entire fleet AA unless I am ommiting some pvp mechanic

[outer stump]

Oh I see

[modern tree]

so if you bring 2 on bbs and find them too slow, then change one to something faster

minmaxing

its boring

I just give hard hitting AA with range to all boats with real AA

and bofors to evertyhing else

then if its too slow I swap 113 to 105 and check again

and so on

[outer stump]

Wow Juneau has actually a crazy amount of AA

[modern tree]

Look at her AA gun efficency on top of that

Thats why 113 will make her instantly much, much better

[outer stump]

But should I bring the quindruple for better firerate?

[vague token]

the entire atlanta class is aa the videogame

[modern tree]

I dont know if Poms are worth it

[outer stump]

160%

And she has an AA buffer too

Isn't that too crazy

[modern tree]

because again, its rather easy to make your average reload hit the 2 shots treshold so you take the gun that hitts the hardest, 113

[outer stump]

So full fleet 113 is worth?

[modern tree]

uh, nah

it might work if your AA stat is crazy high?

[outer stump]

Or I can take an 105 for Belfast and Jintsuu

[modern tree]

but again, you do want to shoot the planes twice for the best damage, not once very hard

[outer stump]

I see

[vague token]

if you stack roombas, someone with ryuusei flies in at light speed

triggers them all

and then you're on cooldown

when the bombers hit

or w/e that fighter is called

i mix them up

with the sakura torp bomber

[outer stump]

Oh

So I need something whit bigger range?

I mean for vanguards might be ok every range because they can move

But the backline is stuck so maybe I should take 113

Now not so sure

[leaden sequoia]

Roomba has highest range already, I think Kiroshima meant to pick faster reloading guns

like Pom Poms/Bofors

[vague token]

mix and match =D

/although i meme on aya with the blue aa gun with the fastest reload lol

[outer stump]

I used all pom poms on backline but idk

Well I think everyone deserves the AA gun based on their reload

Or the ideal whit the range to hit 2 times at least is a point too

[modern tree]

with your AA I'd use 113 on Juneau and Wash/Sodak, then 105 on the other one and hood, then bofors on your frontliners

it gives you the most average range and probably shoots twice

[vague token]

aya hits .27s/wave with the 12.7mm lol

[leaden sequoia]

So in general, the priority should be range > reload > alpha?

[modern tree]

its (Range>Alpha)=(SHOOTING MORE THAN ONCE)

but really, getting more than 2 shots off should never be the focus

too much opportunity cost

[outer stump]

I took 2 113 wasd 105 for hood, Juneau and Jintsuu and for Belfast quadruple

Because I don't have other long range ones

Now hope it works

And 105 has an balanced reload

[modern tree]

because fighters exists you have to account for: Your alpha and range being wasted on fighters only because they are going to be way ahead of the plane swarm due to their speed. If you shoot twice, you shoot planes that were ahead, then you shoot as much of the plane swarm as you can hit within your range, maximising the use of your alpha damage.

minmaxing for range then damagem then making sure you shoot twice is the optimal pvp

[outer stump]

I mean... Vanguard's will have time to shoot once the other planes and the backline the rest

[modern tree]

Pretty sure Wash server doesnt even have Reppu so you are spared this devil

[leaden sequoia]

Wash was launched after VDiR?

[outer stump]

Ye

[leaden sequoia]

and iirc AA guns all shoot at once, not separately backline and frontline

with reload and range averaged

and damage summed

[modern tree]

yeah, your circle is all your AA average stats

[vague token]

i thought the main fleet had its own circle in pvp

[modern tree]

the only real consideration is how good your AA will be after your VG dies maybe

[leaden sequoia]

only when your front is dead

then the circle center will transfer to flagship

hmm, I think when the circle is drawn the priority is flagship > top > bottom for backline survivors

but not sure

[vague token]

weird

[elder crane]

The 113 has the best range/(actual reload) ratio, so under perfect scenario, fully stacking it should mean you have the highest chance to hit twice (it also has the highest damage per shot)

But, too much range means some of it gets wasted as it extends behind your main fleet when vanguard is alive (when dead, everything has half its range wasted so once again it becomes a non-issue), so you drop in the bofors on 1 or 2 vanguard ships for a mixed setup, since it has faster reload and shorter range.

Still, until you start wasting range, the 113 is clearly the best AA gun, so run as many as you can.

As a side note, the gold 105 is just worse than an averaged-out 113/bofors mixed setup, so is usually not worth running unless you lack 113s.

[shy hazel]

to be fair

when i was using a single cv once (ent)

my strike planes

got wiped off by juneau once

lol

[dull hollow]

i can't confirm but I remember people saying that unlike in pve AA timers in pvp are independant of each other

or maybe it was just backline vs frontline being independant

though my personal experience indicates otherwise

[leaden sequoia]

@elder crane under that logic pom pom is the worst because alpha not as high as 113 and reload not as fast as bofors while having the worst 25 range unlike 105 where it's higher than average 32

[shy hazel]

would they really bother making the mechanic like that lol

[vague token]

really want to respond to that game feedback that says reset option in pvp is good enough

but game feedback is for feedback not discussion =/

[vague token]

we in there

xD

[shell helm]

is 2 sg radar gud for ca ?

[vague token]

if you reaaaally need your beaver on someone else

unless she's portland kai, in which case you might be able to skimp

the accuracy is nice

[outer stump]

Well I don't have that many 113 but when I will get one I will go the hella maxing them

[dull hollow]

you really want to just maximize frontline survability so doesn't really sound that good

[vague token]

i mean 2 gold radars is close enough to 2 camo xD

[formal yew]

my ream currently is hood akaga ; takao and z46. who would fit the last slot?

[ionic magnet]

er both takao and z46 are mediocre in pvp rn

do you have anyone else

[formal yew]

i currently just use them cause the oath

any frontline suggestion would be a ok

[coral wren]

u got the standard torp trio?

jintsuu, aurora, ayanami?

[ionic magnet]

belfast juneau works too

[formal yew]

no jintsuu yet sadly

so aurora ayanami belfast then?

[dull hollow]

i now understand

why so many people end up using torp attackers even at 120

because for months on end

before 110 uncap

there's literally

nothing better to use

[formal yew]

what about eldrige? i jsut bought her

[dull hollow]

bad

[formal yew]

oof

[dull hollow]

akaga dominance high enough that eldridge lost a lot of edge

well i guess belfast/junny/portkai

is a fair comp

but lack of evasion gear outside of Beaver badge

is still pretty tepid

[formal yew]

belfast junny portkai?

so theres no dmg

[dull hollow]

well your frontlien isnt supposed to do damage

[vague token]

if they run suicide torp, you'll want Start Smoke

[dull hollow]

junny aurora sirius

also gud

assuming akaga style

[vague token]

i tried mid juneau and she eats too many torps from aurora debuff

=(

[ivory vine]

no sirius yet anyway either

[formal yew]

whos junny btw

[vague token]

juneau

[dull hollow]

u guys didnt get sirius round 1? rip

[vague token]

she dies for our sins

[ivory vine]

no

we dont have wc yet

[dull hollow]

wtf

[formal yew]

i can do junny aurora, just gonna wait for sirius now

[dull hollow]

I thought u guys were halfway thru

[coral wren]

[ivory vine]

nope they ran spee event w/ cny

[dull hollow]

junny probably not hard enforced

[coral wren]

not even a date is given yet for when wc is out

[dull hollow]

esp if u play debuff style attacker akager

coooould try belfast over junny?

not sure

[formal yew]

ohh leipitz

[dull hollow]

sirius can emulate nagato buff

and aurora debuff should make akaga proper lethal

just need to survive long enough to launch 2

[formal yew]

and leipitz for stats

[dull hollow]

no

[vague token]

o.o

[dull hollow]

dont run fucking leipzig LMFAO

[vague token]

leipzig lol

[formal yew]

ok so basically once sirius come out shes meta frontline

[dull hollow]

for however long

akaga remains meta

[formal yew]

yeet, happy i oathed them

[dull hollow]

they will fall off

hard tho

u guys already have amagi which is key 1

[formal yew]

is there a reason why people use amagi than hood? amagi barrage doesnt really reach main fleet

[vague token]

huge durability boost

[dull hollow]

amagi barrage is global pressure tho

hits front

[vague token]

and amagi barrage is practically full screen

[dull hollow]

hits all 3 backline

[vague token]

lol

[ivory vine]

yeah it's partially targetted

so if the enemy opposite her is ded

[formal yew]

ahh...

[ivory vine]

it still does something

[modern tree]

Just use Enterprise

[ionic magnet]

[formal yew]

if i only had enty id rape them with planes

[dull hollow]

no

enty is bad

LUL

[ionic magnet]

bad?

[formal yew]

wait really? i dont fight with enty's on pvp lul

[vague token]

i havent had problems with enty in ages

lol

[ivory vine]

enty is a cv w/o some bullshit like 50% strike cdr

[ionic magnet]

shes not bad at all lmao

[vague token]

you can actually reduce her damage really easily xD

[formal yew]

enty gave me trauma on my early levels. havent tried fighting her at lvl100

[vague token]

or just shoot her ;)

[dull hollow]

enty is living in an age when so much damage

comes outside of her invul period

and it only gets worse

as more ships get released

[vague token]

skill split when

[modern tree]

I am glad that just mentioning Enterprise still turns this chat into fight between she's shit bad she's still a god

[ionic magnet]

we're talking abt rn right?

[dull hollow]

with the amagiakaga dominance being so high rn

enty is a very tepid ship

[vague token]

and 410mm meta for guns

[dull hollow]

however u guys might get shells soon?

[formal yew]

how does akaga fall off? who replaces them?

[dull hollow]

which pushes FW up quite a bit

amagi technically "replaces" them

ur just waiting for the key enbaler: nagato

namagai >>> nakaga

[modern tree]

Who said you should run Enterprise outside of foxes

[ivory vine]

didnt core data come with auditorium?

[formal yew]

wait namagi is just 2 people tho, whos the 3rd

[dull hollow]

if u guys get shells soon then FW resurges

[ivory vine]

3rd is whoever you wanna use

[dull hollow]

and enty sees a minor rise in power

[ionic magnet]

im not sold on foxes since its still 2 CVs

[dull hollow]

Taihou or Hiryuu is good

idk what en release schedule will be

Centaur is also okay there

[ivory vine]

i was gonna ask about centaur

[formal yew]

holy shit do we have taiho? she looks like akagi

[dull hollow]

Warspite kai good there

Monach probably fits

[coral wren]

so we should use hiryuu even without retro for namagai

[ivory vine]

what kind of frontline do you have to run if not using an ijn 3rd backliner tho?

[dull hollow]

ideally u want a CV there

pray that u get

mogami kai

[ivory vine]

we dont have ykkz tho

so it's pre meme anyway

[dull hollow]

u could just relegate urself to

Jintsuu Sendai Junny

and pray to the gods

[ivory vine]

well i guess mogami kai includes ykkz in the event anyway

[dull hollow]

EN's pvp meta is gonna be a clown fiesta

if the release schedule

is funny

[vague token]

that sounds about right

[coral wren]

that doesnt sound too bad

[dull hollow]

the fact that u got

akaga killers

early on

but lack their key enablers

(shells/Nagato herself)

[formal yew]

[dull hollow]

is rly funny

once ppl start getting shells online FW will rise up quite a bit over Akaga

[vague token]

shells are core data or event?

[dull hollow]

FW should still be able to outmuscle currrent EN HMS

you guys dont have any major HMS ships

[ivory vine]

i put off linking my sodak cuz wc was coming soon tm

[coral wren]

monarch when

[ivory vine]

but now i have like 9 purins

should prob just mlb her

[dull hollow]

hms doesnt come online until monarch, centaur at least

warspite kai isnt really an hms ship imo

just run her as a 3rd on metaball teams

[ivory vine]

ws kai is a one bote fleet

[dull hollow]

but if you want to play HMS

please dont buy into the Monarch top Warspite bot trap

you're better off leaving one or the other in midlane

[ivory vine]

that wastes monarch barrage so much

[dull hollow]

yah

[ivory vine]

prob monarch mid?

[dull hollow]

depends on who u wanna hit

warspite mid always targets the top laner

[ivory vine]

ill play hms only if i can not use QE in it

[dull hollow]

so vs Akaga

you'll use Warspite mid and Monarch bot

warspite + debuff solos top fox

[ivory vine]

yeah to kill both foxes

makes sense

[dull hollow]

monarch takes care of botside fox

QE has not been vital

in hms

for quite some time

even with only Monarch + Centaur

[vague token]

i mean, 15% stat stick is pretty

eh

[ivory vine]

but we dont have monarch/centaur reee

[dull hollow]

you could get away running varius things

[ivory vine]

so i cant get away w/ it

[vague token]

while the other hms ships grant crazy buffs

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

with warspite kai tho

there's no real reason to run QE anymore

[ivory vine]

good

[dull hollow]

centaur just better

[coral wren]

so your saying the hms fleet is centaur, warspite kai and monarch?

[dull hollow]

even before with only monarch + centaur, you could use Jean Bart

which is fucking hilarious

because bart is a french ship

tell the queen she got benched

for a french ship

[coral wren]

[dull hollow]

i myself just play

TSM style warspite kai

mostly to feed her mvp

[ivory vine]

qe/hyuuga?

[dull hollow]

yah lole

winrate isnt solid but it does fine

warspite barrage is kinda rage inducing tho

when u randomly

get the 2 miss special

even with FCR and white shell

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

tho 118 is high enough that the damage penalty no longer kicks in

so once she hits SL10 I'll go experiment with a bunch of memeshit comps

[shell helm]

is it wise too equip eva aux on backline BB BC too

[modern tree]

It's wise and probably the only good option besides gold FCR

But we might be like 2 days off from getting core data so that may change

[dull hollow]

even still u get 1 or 2 shells per month max

[coral wren]

Beaver badge as well, right?

[dull hollow]

so the shift will be a little slow

better to just stack SG on backline

instead of using beaver there

[ivory vine]

the problem with shells

is my preference for oxy torps

so if we get an oxy torp in the shop

[dull hollow]

u never use oxytorps in competitive pvp tho

outside of suicide FW Iguess

[modern tree]

White shells are generally better, right?

[odd schooner]

I almost forgot to pvp

Lmao

[dull hollow]

usually it's white + w/e complement u go with

I default to double shell

some ppl say sg + white

FCR + white is key on monarch

cuz 0 luck acc lul

[odd schooner]

No one plays double sg?

[dull hollow]

no point in double SG when all the proper gear starts dropping

[odd schooner]

my plates

I guess i could split it to HMS

[dull hollow]

all my SG are on my subs now

[ivory vine]

i cant buy different things for pve and pvp tho

[odd schooner]

Oh subs use it too?

[ivory vine]

and i need the oxy torps for memes to come true

[dull hollow]

subs just want random +10 stat sticks

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

so i just

left them there

sub damage is scaled off their power rating

until I buy 12 oxy torps

and +10 them all

my subs will hold onto my extra SG

[odd schooner]

EN ppl already has 3k aux saved

[dull hollow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBto53fb68c gonna gamble a post here as well since it's my 3rd time watching it and it fucking cracks me up still

[odd schooner]

I like this https://youtu.be/dkh-k68dRbM

[dull hollow]

the plush throw and the limp at the end

too perfect

okay enough of that

[zenith tundra]

guess im doing ok

for once

[hot creek]

most you could get at this point would be like +35

assuming someone in your lobby is dilligent

[zenith tundra]

only 2 behind gurren is a win already for me tbh just need to keep it up

[charred raptor]

How do you get Admiral of the Navy rank?

[zenith tundra]

top 10 with 2200+ score

[ionic magnet]

1602 i lost twice

[charred raptor]

ouch, not gonna happened because I lost a few PVP rounds already

[zenith tundra]

u can rush it

i got it last season with 5 attempts behind

[ionic magnet]

by rush, how fast do you usually finish it

[charred raptor]

yeah, maybe if I try on the last day, maybe

[zenith tundra]

as fast as amakaga can do

depends on enemy fleet

the most it took me with amakaga was 1min

but usually around 30-40secs

[ionic magnet]

i dont have amakaga but my fights are usually 40-50 secs plus loading time so yea about 1 min

[charred raptor]

I'm currently top 100 in my server, without Jintsuu & Aurora, so I'm happy with my results so far

lots of leaving battle just to get reasonable RNG 😄

[zenith tundra]

u can use almost anything. amakaga doesn't stop anything tbh

[ionic magnet]

yea it might be the best comp rn but its still completely beatable

[zenith tundra]

it's best offensive comp but sucks on def

[ionic magnet]

^

[charred raptor]

there's just too many crits on defense fleet, and sometimes my vanguards just run into those torps

that's why I need to restart the battles

[hot creek]

oh. ok then nvm lmao

[zenith tundra]

lol

[hot creek]

oh that guy will definitley end up top 25 at least

[coral wren]

For how long will leander kai stay relevant?

[vague token]

until torp suicide goes away

xD

[clear cloud]

until more tankier ship arrives

[coral wren]

Not when research comes? I'd imagine she will go away when neptune is there

[zenith tundra]

leander kai is still relevant outside of pvp for low cost

[clear cloud]

i found no use for leander
frontline not really need that FP boost

[vague token]

she's there for the smoke

fp is just a bonus

[shy hazel]

smoke weed everyday

thats why leander is relevant

[vague token]

the other start of round smokes are all destroyers

aka gets nuked by aurora jintsuu

[shy hazel]

i remember some ppl maybe memeing or not

belfast fortune and leander full kai front

with amakaga back

[vague token]

o.O

havent seen that at all

[zenith tundra]

it's hard try against current meta but amakaga still sucks on def

aurora buff too op tbh

[vague token]

xD

the smoke really destroys the ayanami vanguards

[zenith tundra]

if u want to stall u just use protkai

[shy hazel]

the best delay in gensui rush is just to use wash sd

[vague token]

"stall" is a strong word

[shy hazel]

with rabbit

for maximum meme

[zenith tundra]

i got stalled for 1 min against a eldridge portakai ??? enty hiryuu amagi

i don't remember 3rd vanguard

[vague token]

oh ok

that comp doesnt sound dangerous, just trolly xD

[zenith tundra]

but eldridge got her buff off and portkai last one standing

is just stall

[vague token]

yeah

[shy hazel]

might as well maximize the delay

[vague token]

i do use hiryuu in my current fleet

but mostly for a better sodak comeback mechanic

xD

[zenith tundra]

amagi got nuked by amakaga hiryuu 2nd and then enty. only eldeidge and portkai left with no main fleet

[shy hazel]

ty for info

[vague token]

oh lol

that's pretty funny

[shy hazel]

gon use eld portkai and belfast

or fortune

we can,stall more when yukikaze comes

[zenith tundra]

usually all it takes is portkai to stall

[shy hazel]

[zenith tundra]

till we get sendai and then fuck stalling from vanguard

[vague token]

portkai is mostly to absorb as much damage aka torps so my hiryuu doesnt proc final counter too early xD

[zenith tundra]

if i see portkai i might as well use sirius tbh

once i get her

[vague token]

sirius will be worse on defense i think compared to more torp power

unless you skimp on belfast

[shy hazel]

more cv dmg

u dont use sirius for def

u use her on offense

[vague token]

yeah i figured

i only run 1 carrier so wont be using her xD

[shy hazel]

more dmg to portkai cos cv hates caa

cas

[vague token]

i havent seen any CAs in top 100 yet

although defense ca is basically garbage

[shy hazel]

alot in avrora is using them

portkais

dunko maybe memes

[vague token]

all the matchups i get are jintsuu/X/belfast

[zenith tundra]

i don't use portkai because i can't really set a defense fleet with decent stalling potential

so just literally use my offense formation

[vague token]

woo, made it to rank 1 for now on avrora, will lose soon im sure

cause about to sleep so just gonna burn all my matches xD

[zenith tundra]

u should camp better

[shy hazel]

git gu

[zenith tundra]

i always sit on 5/10 all the time

[shy hazel]

d

im also not good in camping

[vague token]

i did that for a bit, slept through too many resets

xD

[shy hazel]

is that

all of your charges

cos im a bit higher if i use not all charges

[zenith tundra]

i can reach 1716 rn with all attempts

[shy hazel]

i guess u din lose aby charges this season?

i wasted two

suddenly got busy forgot to use

[zenith tundra]

put ur alarm to good use

[shy hazel]

pls

im at work

[zenith tundra]

u can go to the restroom u know unless where u work is forbidden

[shy hazel]

my office is kind

can use phone its just thay

suddenly busy hour before reset

forgot it completely

lol

guess camping isnt really for me

[zenith tundra]

i always put alarm 10/15 min before reset and just go after a bit

[shy hazel]

lets see if can genrush though

[ivory vine]

i missed like 10+ this season

real lazy season

[shy hazel]

spee event distracted some ppl

kept on rushing it

forgot to pvp

[zenith tundra]

7 hrs ago i was watching a stream and was waiting for last minutes before reset. i remember like 3min before reset to do my attempts it was so close

[shy hazel]

wow real tryhard waited for last 3 mins

[ivory vine]

i remember like 20 mins before

[shy hazel]

what if u met a doped memey stall fleet

[ivory vine]

then get distracted doing something

and forget

[zenith tundra]

i usually do them around 5 but i completely forgot about pvp till last 3 min

[shy hazel]

lol

alot,of top rankers here forgot their rounds this season

cya, switch forgot

5~10 i think

[zenith tundra]

even worse stall fleet i met is only 1 min so i'm usually fine because only 2-3 attempts to use before reset

[shy hazel]

lol

[ivory vine]

i finally bothered to level my aurora up from like 70-80

so i very rarely have to reset

[shy hazel]

i grinded aurora to 100 in two days to use her in pvp

even with shit skills

[ivory vine]

only time is if literally nothing procs/no torps hit

[shy hazel]

[ivory vine]

and they have juneau or some shit

or prob if my backline gets crit by torps but that hasnt happened yet

[shy hazel]

juneus proliferating in amakaga teams lately

or did i just notice them rn

[zenith tundra]

it makes no difference tbh. amagi aa is too bad to withstand akaga damage

she usually dies 1st in mirror

[shy hazel]

lol

yea if she doesnt die

then one third hp left

[zenith tundra]

also people who don't use twin 127 on amagi triggers me quite a bit. why bother with belgun when twin 127 is a better pvp gun and gives her better stats

[ivory vine]

cuz i dont fuckin have 127s

[ionic magnet]

^

[shy hazel]

i tot u told me u sae belgun to boost fleet power

lol

[ionic magnet]

[ivory vine]

the boosted aa is better for amagi than the fp prob