pvp

[outer stump]

But even tho.... wasd have really high AA and she gets pretty much damage

[modern tree]

can also just put beaver badge with oil tank on your enterprise and laugh at her 90 luck doing the rest

[outer stump]

@modern tree for some reasons... Aircrafts damage a lot the bottom side... That's what I saw almost everytime too and I keep my previous CV top

Nah the steam catapult is fine for me

Now I started to hate Aurora meta

Just buff CA and rip

[modern tree]

we do have enough buffed CAs if that is what you are after

exactly one is enough

[ionic magnet]

key to beating amakaga teams is to kill their vanguards fast in my experience

you say enty takes a lot of damage but foxes are pretty squishy themselves

[modern tree]

as long as your VG lives foxes are pretty toothless, if your VG can survive 2 strikes you basically won

thats provided your backline is doing anything

I guess this is why I am getting away with Ark, I tank one strike, wipe their VG and just torp them in the face

[coral wren]

does eldridge usually survive the first akaga airstrike with a belfast smoke up? didn't use her yet x-x

[modern tree]

Eldridge is a lil bit outdated at this point, her built in 20 second cooldown makes it hard to utilise the skill when the fights go so fast

[coral wren]

well, i mean, i'll use her when i see fleets without jintsuu/ayanami

for now i use juneau/helena/belfast, wanted to switch helena

[modern tree]

she can probably still live on offense if shes in the middle or behind juneau

not sure how good is absolute stall anymore

[coral wren]

and what to equip her? i guess repair toolbox + boiler?

[modern tree]

sounds correct

[coral wren]

also, for enterprise, 1 oil tank + cata?

[modern tree]

thats what I'd do, if not double boiler, which might be redundancy but I like fast

That is also correct

[coral wren]

does the oil buff the planes launched?

[modern tree]

it gives the planes more HP which makes them more resistant to AA and increases their damage when they reach the edge of the screen

[odd schooner]

I remember Eldridge vs Fortune fights

[coral wren]

Whats avg kill time with wasd？

I dont see the point of going wasd just to counter amakagas since mirror works just fine

[shy hazel]

Wasd takes too much time

Just mirror

[coral wren]

With 20% atk boost xd enemy foxes stands no chance

[shy hazel]

Youll also reset alot if your vg dies fast

[coral wren]

Unless ofc wanma be unique player and use different meta

[shy hazel]

Before amagi foxes was pretty easy to counter

[coral wren]

i mean, i've had more fun with wasd here

[modern tree]

wasd takes average 40ish seconds to wipe amakaga and of course its about being a hipster and not reseting the game 3 times because your torps didnt hit right or you missed amagi barrage

[shy hazel]

Dont get me wrong wasd is fun but not that efficient

In gensui rush

[coral wren]

will enterprise be replaced by essex in that fleet?

With befast on amakaga u wont ever lose to mirror when arracking

well no jintsuu here, also no oxy torp

Same no oxy torps

[modern tree]

thats objectively false, I fail to see how Belfast alone would make enough impact when your opponent can also have her and they are in advantage when it comes to torpedoes

[coral wren]

The 20% buff

That buff ruins pvp

Attacking team cant lose

[modern tree]

you are just one very convincing interlocutor

[coral wren]

I dunno. I am facing amakaga daily

No need to reset likexu said

[shy hazel]

Its more like

Less chnces u will reset

But u will reset sometimes

Mirror is way faster

[coral wren]

U really dont. Enemy will die faster regardlezz

[modern tree]

spewing absolute statements didnt work so I am going to retreat to my confirmation bias, scroll up, Switch lost a game today

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

Maybe its possible then

[shy hazel]

I still reset with dankiest full oathed amakaga teams

If rng fks me over

Pls

[modern tree]

Why come here if you are not interested in discussion, just being right

[coral wren]

Just find it funny ppl lose with amakaga

[modern tree]

I dont see any reason they wouldnt, the pivotal point is 70% chance barrage

[coral wren]

[modern tree]

to you too

[fading wolf]

Whats or where is a good way to to farm t3 parts?

[odd schooner]

@coral wren depends on setup

[modern tree]

w6 is good because you can farm good gear and its oil efficent, 7-2 is great because you can farm great AA for pvp, money and its also pretty oil efficent

7-2 has a hidden debuff that will make you wish every other map in this game was like it, with fixed boss spawn and 4 ? nodes

[odd schooner]

Stall strat usually takes longer

[coral wren]

Dosnt ppl use same setup? On amakaga

[fading wolf]

Okay, thanks

[odd schooner]

Uhh

It's divided

[coral wren]

Its like jintsuu aurora and then

Ayaya or belfast

[odd schooner]

But it revolves on 5 ships

Jintsuu aurora ayanami Belfast juneau

[coral wren]

Oh jun too

[fading wolf]

Ah, reminds me, in on aya quintuple 533mm torps are better or 610mm quad?

[coral wren]

If other dosnt work maybe try other. Since the belfast makes sure ur vg stays alive first airstrike i ve been using her mostly

Even if enemy have belfast ur flert hits harder

[livid fractal]

I lost to Nekonin today, but got a revenge the next reset.

Same fleets

20% attack buff isn't that much

[coral wren]

What ur setup?

[odd schooner]

You didn't reset

[coral wren]

Reset for pussies

[ionic magnet]

20% buff vs torp buff is p much the same

[shy hazel]

[ionic magnet]

no fleet is immortal 👌

[livid fractal]

amagi akaga/ jun bel fortune.. He has wasd amagi and torp meme

[coral wren]

Jun lul

I tired her before. I sctually had fights where i had tomreset

[livid fractal]

@odd schooner it was pretty clutch fight till the end

[ionic magnet]

my closest fights are against jun + amakaga 👀

[coral wren]

Why fortune and jun tho

I mean mostly forttun

[odd schooner]

Oh right you can't abuse the app close reset

My bad

[livid fractal]

Fortune protects my backline for torps

[coral wren]

Going defensive on attacking hmm

[odd schooner]

It's optional

Also works

[coral wren]

Well if it works

[livid fractal]

And I still don't have Jintsuu, so I can't do torp meme

[coral wren]

Oh

[livid fractal]

Or aurora

[coral wren]

Well rip then

[odd schooner]

Time to hit deep on 10-4 mines

[coral wren]

Jintsu and aurora is part of amakaga

[livid fractal]

Been farming since day one release and doing daily builds.. Nothing

[coral wren]

Does ur smagi even grtcbuffed

[odd schooner]

Dw switch, there's a player who never had illustrious till hq lvl 101

[coral wren]

How dare u compare that tiddy trash to jintsuu

[ionic magnet]

i still have no fox after like 400 runs

[coral wren]

Well

Maybe too rng

[livid fractal]

Wait what? Pretty sure Lusty was available in exchange shop in previous exchange

[coral wren]

how many runs for jintsuu T-T or arizona

[odd schooner]

Ye he only got it previous exchange

He's 104 now

[coral wren]

Lol jesus

[livid fractal]

lool

[coral wren]

I am farming aff for aurora on 2-2 while grtting arizona copies.

[odd schooner]

Gold farm eh

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

did you get any?

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

Finished jintsuu earlier from 170 tom200 stlll no arizona

a week of 2-2 nothing, went 6-3, got 3 fusous and 2 yamashiros ffs

Same dude im not getting any. Arizona

i'd rather spend cubes at this point

also got to get prince of wales, got her skin but not the bote..

I wouldnt gomthat far. I still have 120-200 to farm

Just max ur pvp fleet aff while u farm.

well, oil costs though

[shy hazel]

In the end

[coral wren]

my enterprise's at 190 or so, the rest.. eh.. 110-130

13 oil

[shy hazel]

The hardest pvp arena in all servers is en avrora

Everyone sandbags

[odd schooner]

Everyone even a lvl 40

[coral wren]

Lmfao

[odd schooner]

I wonder what happened to that guy

[shy hazel]

Can kill any team

But cant get bonus properly

[coral wren]

Acussing ppl of samdbagging when maybe they are busy irl or sleepingxD

[shy hazel]

Oh cmon

[coral wren]

Xdxd

[shy hazel]

Had a time 24 hours online

3 bonus only

[odd schooner]

I see the same faces end season

[shy hazel]

Avrora sandbaggers

[ionic magnet]

[shy hazel]

Meanwhile some jp ppl dont even collect bonus

And still get gensui just by winning all

[odd schooner]

But is it their main server

Aren't they divided to servers as well like en

[livid fractal]

Never sandbag people who are also sandbagging..

[shy hazel]

Ask the one who bragged about it here

Teach us tricks

How to know sandbaggers from not

[livid fractal]

Search their names

[odd schooner]

@dull hollow how good was your server on jp

[livid fractal]

Find their win rates

[shy hazel]

[modern tree]

just remember everyone from top 1k lool

[livid fractal]

Or remember people who aim higher rank

[shy hazel]

Das crazy

I guess i should make my name full kanji so ppl wont memorize mine

[coral wren]

Always some dude named ijn something lul

rank 7 guy, i'm at 1400

[odd schooner]

My fleet is ez kill so no one remembers me

[shy hazel]

I switch to cancer def just now

To reduce ppl who will expel me from 1k

[coral wren]

Delay them 15 secs to make them think twice about attacking u again

is running 2 repair tools in pvp a bad idea?

[shy hazel]

I mean theres still alot of ppl in avrora not geared enuf

That theyll reset if they see your non meme fleet

[modern tree]

2 toolboxes is fine for DDs usually

[coral wren]

well for belfast

[shy hazel]

Gotta waste those resets

[coral wren]

i guess torpedo bulge + box?

Anit torp needs in this torp meme meta

[modern tree]

belfast sort of wants/needs torp bulge

[shy hazel]

Kind of funny though

I lose some rounds

Cos of sleep

Or i forget to do them

Than losing

[coral wren]

Then or than

Sorry confused

[modern tree]

I lost like 7 tries this season because I was sick and nothing could stop me from sleeping through them

[shy hazel]

Didnt lose fights

Just lose some charges

Cos of

[coral wren]

Ah u lose more rounds

[shy hazel]

Sandbagging

[coral wren]

what to equip on juneau? repair box and?

From sandbagging xd

For CL i always for anti torp

[modern tree]

for CLs in this meta its always just Torp Bulge and tools/boiler/pearl/oxy torp

[shy hazel]

I think switch lost 5 rounds

Cos of sleep

Ripperino

[coral wren]

is it a bad idea to run tool on juneau? pearl seems overkill imo

[shy hazel]

No pls

[odd schooner]

Either you double boiler

[coral wren]

Set alarm goddammit. If u tryhard sandbag already do it properly

[shy hazel]

Pearl is on jun

[odd schooner]

Bulge boiler

Bulge kit

Better to split pearl to avoid overheal

[shy hazel]

Pearl on jun is life

[coral wren]

tfw no arizona

[shy hazel]

I plus 10 it so jun would survive abit longer

[coral wren]

U dont use srizona in pvp

[shy hazel]

Then put her in third slot

So she doesnt die so fast

[coral wren]

no no arizona for pearl

Oh

[livid fractal]

@odd schooner

[odd schooner]

Jesus yamato

[shy hazel]

When jun survives

And everyone elsexdies

[coral wren]

Ther are too many 12kk fleets in washington ladder

Its not even fun to do them cuscu know will win :/

[shy hazel]

I mean its worse in avrora

Full oathed amakagas

Everywhere

[shy hazel]

Including me

[coral wren]

4/6 max aff

Soon. And need oxy for jintsu

[shy hazel]

Lets see if we get w11

In two months

Sendai

[coral wren]

Will sendai be good?

[shy hazel]

👀

Dunno

[coral wren]

enemy enterprise missed lucky e twice, holy

[shy hazel]

She has flare though

Less eva

Of anything the skillvhits

[coral wren]

I wanna use full ijn fleet

But auorrorororora

Reeeee

[shy hazel]

Im thinking of getting

Sirius

More accu for kagagi

Less eva for vanguard

[coral wren]

Putting urself between belfast and sirius

[shy hazel]

Ill prolly try aurora jint sirius for offense

Switch to belfat for defense

👌

[coral wren]

I use rng torps and luck e in def

I feel it has highest chance to make ppl reset

[shy hazel]

Sounds evil

[coral wren]

got enterprise the new year skin, she only won after that

is this magic

Sure m8

got 1.3k gems left, do i get laffey the l2d skin or 2 rings

Riing ur main fleet first

but the skin

is cute

All the ships u use

But laffey is only so so

well that or belfast's

I vote belfast

[shy hazel]

Laffey is best what⚒

But l2d looks bad

I got belfast skin too

[coral wren]

But i use belfast more than laffey

[shy hazel]

Sleepy loli better

[coral wren]

she's way cuter than belfast

I only prio usefulness

Laffey is useless in pvp. While belfast has use in pvp and pve

[shy hazel]

I dont like belfast skin cos she looks fat in china clothes

[coral wren]

Its calle dthicc

[shy hazel]

Belfat

[coral wren]

well got 2800 gems

what do, belfast skin + 2 rings, or laffey + 3 skins

Did u just buy motr gems

[shy hazel]

Did u alrdy buy

[coral wren]

Wot

[shy hazel]

Ring set

[coral wren]

got the set already

[shy hazel]

Just oath your main fleet

[coral wren]

2937 my bad

Tfw ur main fleet consist of over 30 ships

well, i can oath 2 boats right now, south dakota has only 70 happiness

Na she is meh in pve. And unless u play wasd

No point in oathing her. Plus no skin yet

well, lineup now is: helena/belfap/juneau, wasd/enterprise, belfast and enterprise oathed

[shy hazel]

Wash then

[coral wren]

Not bad. Snacks for my amakaga xd

[shy hazel]

Jun can wait if u ask me

Helena is okay

[coral wren]

Washy 100

yup

Go for washy

done

Noice

Bamvozzled

2.37k gems left

Get skin for ur waidu

[shy hazel]

Wow

2.37

Omegawhale

[coral wren]

2370

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

why whale

Damn whales ruining the game

[shy hazel]

As if lol

[coral wren]

Lel

should i buy both skins for belfast and laffey now

or 3 rings

If u like them

well i like the laffey l2d, but it'd feel bad to miss belfast's

[shy hazel]

Aesthetically

I dont like belfast skin

[coral wren]

i'd get it for the tricks she plays

[shy hazel]

But i got mine from gacha box

Jackpot

[coral wren]

here i got lexington

Lemme change ur mind

See that torp. Sexiiii

[shy hazel]

See those

Fat legs

[coral wren]

Thicc

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

Wrap em around my head and crush me

[shy hazel]

Btw

[coral wren]

We turned pvp into waifu chat

Lel

[shy hazel]

Where u grind affection

I only have amagi at 200

[coral wren]

72

[shy hazel]

Lul

[coral wren]

7_2

[shy hazel]

Oh gold farm

[coral wren]

Yea

[shy hazel]

Makes sense

[coral wren]

uhh oath helena yes or no

[shy hazel]

Im still stuck in 9-2 so after that icguess

Oath helena for waifu material

[coral wren]

b-but belfast or laffey skin

[shy hazel]

But she alsocgood at alot of things

Like pve

Just buy more gems

[coral wren]

If u need some ships at lower ones. For example i am farming arizona copies at 2-2

[shy hazel]

Just remember

[coral wren]

While lvling low lvl backlines

[shy hazel]

Oaths can be done anytime

Skins u want are limited

[coral wren]

skins it is then

[shy hazel]

Ssshh let him buy skins

[coral wren]

Also remember the more fights u do without osth are affs wasted

[shy hazel]

It motivates ppl to play

[coral wren]

Just drop snothrr 80 usd

Get a shipload of gems

Ez problem solved

[shy hazel]

4 last ships to farm then i got all drop ships

[elder crane]

Then it's just non-stop 7-2 after

[coral wren]

Sadly i cant get myself to garm them cus i wont ude them.

Use

[shy hazel]

Ya lol

I got all ships since beta

So

I want 100

[coral wren]

I only farmed jintsuu cus godly in pvp pve

[shy hazel]

Well except akatsuki actually

I just got jintasu

Like last monday

[elder crane]

Well, it's not like there's much better to do

Retros take a lot

I'm missing nowaki, and white heart

[shy hazel]

Backtracking now

60 on refits now

I just need cv bps

Lol

60 percent

[elder crane]

I'm sorta waiting on ch7 HM to farm cruiser BPs

[shy hazel]

Tanikaze though

[coral wren]

I only have 15 retrofits wtf

[shy hazel]

I did like 240 light builds this cn event

No tanikaze

Lol

[coral wren]

I am missing most commons

[shy hazel]

Commons are more expensive for me

[elder crane]

Yat Sen is what's trolling me right now, as my last currently obtainable ship

[shy hazel]

Those purples

[coral wren]

I got tinykaze retro

[shy hazel]

Lol

[coral wren]

XD

[shy hazel]

Im kinda tilted really

[elder crane]

At least Yat Sen isn't event-limited though

[shy hazel]

They put some build limited ships on valentines again

While my cubes died

[elder crane]

Wait, really, valentine as well?

[shy hazel]

I mean hatsushimo is light build in wiki

[elder crane]

Then rerun WC after so no break on cubes guess

[shy hazel]

Well shes monthly in cn

No breaks ye

[elder crane]

Oh, that's permanent addition, not event limited

[shy hazel]

I mean from the annoouncement

She only be here for seven days

14 21

No maybe 6

[elder crane]

Wait seriously?

I guess

[shy hazel]

Time to riot

offense fleet or should i remove ayanami

My oxytorp in ayanami

Oh ss is late

Grinding jintsu while farming 9-2

[elder crane]

Offense Aya isn't optimal but is probably fine

[shy hazel]

For jenkins

[coral wren]

4.3k fp om kaga

[elder crane]

She does speed up matches by a bit

[coral wren]

What u using on her

[shy hazel]

F4u gold

Btd hey dont judge me

[coral wren]

Lol

[shy hazel]

Cuda

[elder crane]

BTD on kaga is mostly fine

[shy hazel]

Two gold steam thingie

[elder crane]

Noooooooo

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

Yea cus u have lots more than my gpg gp setup

[elder crane]

Drop tank is better
If you only slot one CV offensive equip you run the drop tank

[shy hazel]

Hey for scaring ppl not to fight me

[elder crane]

Unless you want to inflate that FP I guess

[shy hazel]

Need dank stats

Top players will still beat me up though

[elder crane]

Well, I see teams like that and I think, "easy win"

[coral wren]

Lul

[shy hazel]

[coral wren]

380 goldc

Tho its legit.

Faster barrage

[shy hazel]

It has shit dmg on vg iirc

[elder crane]

It's pretty minimal speed difference, not worth

[coral wren]

Amakafa dosnt aim on vgs

Dead vgs

[elder crane]

On the contrary, amagi hits before foxes

So she will try to Hit vanguard

[coral wren]

Alot earlier but she wont target vg again

[shy hazel]

Why do ppl say gold hellcat is best fighter

Im unlucky in getting one so i use event limited ones lol

F4u gold and reppu gold

[elder crane]

And, the DPS on med/heavy with the fires is no lower for 410s

[coral wren]

I only gotten oen hellcat

[elder crane]

The event fighters are actually better than hellcat for PvP

[coral wren]

AA aleays good

[shy hazel]

F4u gold looks hell better ya

15 percent more aa dmg

[elder crane]

And, the AA diff on F6F is actually not that much better

[shy hazel]

Oh only 5

[elder crane]

All the good gold fighters have more-or-less the same effective AA, is what testing shows

[shy hazel]

[elder crane]

F4U has the enhanced bombs+skill, reppu fast plane speed baits AA guns, both of which effects are more important

Plus they launch a bit faster

[shy hazel]

Good to know

Now i can salt them for not having limited planes

[zenith tundra]

it's only worth if u actually use it like akaga vs akaga or enty vs enty

but like akaga vs all bbs or akaga vs enty the aa makes no difference at all

[shell helm]

how's Gyroscope compare too Improved Boiler for CA

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't use either on ca in pvp tbh. ca at lvl 100 have poor evasion so ur best bet is to increase evasion with cammo/beaver and use bulge for torpedo comps

[modern tree]

The accuracy buff from the Gyro is the same you'd get from gold SG radar and the latter provides you with extra evasion which is a much more desirable stat for a CA currently, as they are severly lacking in this regard.

[clear cloud]

double camo or camo+bulge ?

[zenith tundra]

why the hell shop has all t4 boxes but the ones that i need. never royal

[vague token]

ca needs beaver, especially if the ca isnt port kai

base evade under 30 hurts

[zenith tundra]

beaver is ca best friend right now

[vague token]

which means they steal beaver from your backline

which also sucks

more beavers when

jk

[modern tree]

Best way to increase CA speed is by making your other ships faster so you dont have to compromise your Auxiliary slots for stuff like Boilers, you can't really afford it at the moment.

[vague token]

we need another fletcher collection with all these new fletchers

is that where you get that gold steering wheel? xD

[zenith tundra]

it's research my bad

[vague token]

oh

[zenith tundra]

which mean beaver only choice for ca till lvl 120

but at 120 u don't really need evasion that much lol

[modern tree]

you'd still probably use badge/pr wheel and a wildcard aux unless you are PR Louis

and even if you are PR louis, you might want it

[zenith tundra]

the hydraulic rubber has rng invincibility might be worth using on anything u need evasion on

[vague token]

running belfast/starter smoke does get portland to last pretty long atm

my bailey smoke isnt maxed though xD

[zenith tundra]

belfast portkai leander with qe hood doy looks interesting

[vague token]

if only interference was 100% xD

[zenith tundra]

leander works better imo she can get qe buff and can buff all cruisers fp

[vague token]

oh she has cruiser command FP?

mmm

[zenith tundra]

yes

plus can use bulge too since she's a cl

[vague token]

guess ill use her with port kai, i just have bailey at 100 cause of her sec quest

[zenith tundra]

i have bailey at 100 too but never actually used her pass 100 affection

[vague token]

ah

i like the idea of interference but unfortunately it's so bad they have 0 documentation on it

since it's 25% activation

no one bothered researching it

cause it's 1/4 chance to activate, 1/6 chance to target the ship you need

and it isnt even smart enough to avoid targeting the same ship because it says it doesnt stack

so clearly if you ran multiple interference ships, they COULD target the same ship

and waste the skill

=/

[zenith tundra]

aginst amakaga i don't think interference would really matter since everything in there does damage

[vague token]

i mean, depends on how much of a reduction and reload speed reduction it is

if you hit a carrier, their air strikes arent at the same time

so the strikes are eaten up by aa more

if you hit amagi, she barrages late

but who knows

it could be like

5% slower

aka garbage lol

not like it says

[zenith tundra]

30% hood buff on akaga airstrike is like 2 secs difference

[vague token]

it doesnt debuff reload

it debuffs the full recharge

so if it was like 30% recharge time

that would add like

4 seconds

or w/e

cause it lasts 10 seconds max rank

so each second is worth less

3 seconds derp

but who knows xD

[zenith tundra]

40% (70%) activation upon firing main gun: launches a frontal barrage (damage based on skill level) and all allies in the back row gain a 20% (40%) reload buff for 8 seconds

[vague token]

ok, if interference was 40% you'd push things back 4 seconds over 10

but there's no way it is, that would be trolly in pve

40% damage reduction and recharge speed lol

[zenith tundra]

now that i looked at it better bailey skill doesn't even have a number on how much she debuffs the enemy

[vague token]

exactly

[zenith tundra]

what were the dev thinking

[vague token]

no one tested it because it has a terrible rate, and it's rng on targeting

[native mantle]

wada ya discuss about?

[vague token]

so why bother

it's literally the worst lol

[modern tree]

JP wiki seems to imply Disturbance Shooting reduces Reload stat, but no numbers are there

[zenith tundra]

i guess ur not supposed to use her at all

[vague token]

oh, instead of recharge?

that makes it worse lol

like i thought it would be unique by reducing Damage and Recharge

[modern tree]

you reminded me I wanted to check that

[vague token]

as opposed to FP/Reload

xD

although i guess im not sure what the threshold is for reducing someone's Damage vs their Offensive stat

[native mantle]

wait so when we get ws-kai we need to chose between monarch and ws-kai for hms fleet? i thought centaur replaces QE and monarch/dork replaces hood?

[modern tree]

you dont have to choose because you can just play Nagato Amagi Warspite Kai with 2 IJN frontliners

why lose your head over it

[vague token]

lol

oh god that sounds

gross

[zenith tundra]

ws kai doesn't need hms to one shoot stuff so why bother

[vague token]

how much damage do you even get from 15% firepower when it's already at 440

lol

[maiden agate]

She is not gonna one shot a meta team

[zenith tundra]

in not one shoot means 20% hp left after barrage it doesn't matter

it's not like anyone has maxed 2nd skill yet

[modern tree]

shes absolutely going to one shot anything after amagi barrage

[vague token]

just clip that person with nagato/amagi lol

they are now dead

[native mantle]

i was jsut curious cause in that "recommended pvp comps" ws-kai is only mentioned in CN/JP HMS fleet

[modern tree]

and even if they magically survive, her own shots are being aimed at the target cuz shes royal navy

[zenith tundra]

and then u have amagi broken def skills to make sure u cannot lose 3vs2

[modern tree]

we should at Aristya and tell them that we have figured out new meta

[zenith tundra]

i'm more interested in anti ws meta then ws offensive meta

[modern tree]

just play Izumo

[zenith tundra]

the only thing i tough as remotely viable against ws is nagato hiryuu ws

forcing mirror yeah

and hope hiryuu can somehow carry with nagato

hiryuu is invincible for 15 secs so i wouldn't really worry about her

and if u don't check ws she's gonna kill ur main fleet u know

[modern tree]

15 seconds is just long enough to get hit by another divine marksman

[zenith tundra]

2nd+ divine does so much less damage tho

i would pay for a jp account to try things out tbh

full ijn backline is dead with ws on def at least. only on offense u can check ws with hiryuu

i wonder how wasd ws would do but wasd dmg is so bad

[modern tree]

Got Phoenix in my lobby. Testing against the fleet now but it looks like Amakaga is the worst fucking garbage fleet on defense

I say that because my Belfast got torped to shit, no smoke, my juneau healed nothing and I still won, with Ark

I dont think Wasd can lose to this fleet

I just got THE worst rng, like seriously

[ivory vine]

pretty sure wasd/amakaga just wins on offense vs each other

[modern tree]

I am telling you, my belfast and juneau just died

I dont know what is a worse scenario than losing 2 counters before they do anything

[zenith tundra]

that is because amagi def buffs are useless on cv that don't have hp/armor to tank stuff

nagato works much better because she buff akaga offense not defense

on offense amagi helps with her barrage to deal dmg and ensure u get 2nd airstrike which most likely wins the battle

[modern tree]

I have non ironic 100% winrate so far

[zenith tundra]

but amakaga on def can only beat mirror with really bad luck for attacker like worse possible

[ivory vine]

aurora?

[zenith tundra]

that looks kinda of underpowered tbh

[modern tree]

Yes, I am using Ark, why wouldnt I also use something that makes Ark wipe the screen. Additionally Aurora has close to meme tier AA

[zenith tundra]

then again no waifus

[ivory vine]

i guess bel is enough to keep aurora alive vs def amakaga setups

[zenith tundra]

the only way u lose to amakaga def it's by getting torp to death and u can still outtank them

[ivory vine]

i used to lose a bunch of mirrors

cuz my foxes skills werent maxed

then i started using a lvl ~70 aurora

so she'd just die

[modern tree]

For the third time, my first game was where belfast and juneau got shotguned by torps and sank before first airstrike resolved, and I still won, this team aint shit.

[odd schooner]

Lmao you're bullying phoenix fleet right now?

[ivory vine]

i rarely have to reset now even w/ aurora at only like 85

[odd schooner]

[ivory vine]

[zenith tundra]

aurora only needs to live enough for ur foxes 1st airstrike after that doesn't really matter

[ivory vine]

im using her in pve right now to level her up to 100

my aux is still questionable

cuz plates almost never fuckin wanna drop

[odd schooner]

Wait. For you guys, where do you usually slap beaver on amakaga

[ivory vine]

ive kept it on amagi

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu

[ivory vine]

[odd schooner]

Fought one with boilers just now. The enemy vanguard died eating all torpedo that should not hit anything

Like some torp already went past through but shipfu drifting happened and caught them

[zenith tundra]

u can eat amagi mg shoot and be demolished by her if slow speed i saw a lot of juneau dying this way

not even barrage procs just mg shoot

[odd schooner]

Yeah, speed should be maintained

Just enough to not eat every torp

And bb shells

[ivory vine]

i feel like i should throw in a boiler or 2 on bel/aurora/jint

[zenith tundra]

with aya instead of bel i find beaver to be just enough

[ivory vine]

i feel like bel brings too much to the mirror tho

[ionic magnet]

3 cls with beaver is enough for me

[ivory vine]

idk maybe they just eat the occasional bb shot cuz shit ai

instead of being too slow

[zenith tundra]

i only lost like 2-3 mirrors and mostly to terrible torp on my end

[odd schooner]

My fox fleet doesn't have beaver nor boiler and just doing fine but it's on offensive so idk

But BiS ofc

[ivory vine]

you using aya?

[zenith tundra]

on offense u don't get to see anything unless the opponent is using heavy def fleet

[ivory vine]

cuz aya/jint/aurora is prob fast enough w/o beaver

[odd schooner]

Ye i guess so

[ivory vine]

it feels speed with beaver

[odd schooner]

I added beaver on my def tho

So it could kill fortune asap

[zenith tundra]

i only fought ur def comp once when rushing for aotn so couldn't really try stuff back then, but i was definitely salty at the 41 secs it took me to kill it

[odd schooner]

That's the only thing good on my def tbh nothing else

It dies ez

Fixed stall past 30

I'm looking for my sumire since i think she went hiryuu

Have you met sumire this season yet

[buoyant parrot]

[zenith tundra]

i tried my hiryuu on offense but couldn't find a team to use her with and she seems to dye way too easily pre kai even on offense

by die i mean proc her skill

[vague token]

ive only had 1 suicide amakaga do that for me

the rest are always short

[odd schooner]

When she gets hit by ayanami demon dance right

[zenith tundra]

if the def is a bb backline she dies pretty much instantly if hit

she has like 2k less hp in pvp then akaga

[vague token]

true, but we dont see many bb defense anymore

xD

[zenith tundra]

the damage of her airstrike seems good but also to slow against amakaga

[vague token]

that's why you use hood ;)

push in that extra strike time

[zenith tundra]

so what amagi hood hiryuu?

actually maybe even hiryuu amagi hood

have hiryuu flagship and hood amagi sniping on sides

[vague token]

that's what im using right now

xD

[zenith tundra]

her aa is the best of those 3

[vague token]

i get 3 air strikes pretty much always, 2 normal + final counter

[zenith tundra]

what vanguard are u using?

[vague token]

cause hood gets her just fast enough

belfast/X/portkai

[ivory vine]

iirc after retro her aa is highest of all cv isnt it?

[vague token]

ill be training leander, so im using bailey for torp squads

otherwise aurora for ordinary stuff

it's a little tough if they use juneau, and i really dont want to use juneau

must protec

but sometimes you just gotta do it

T_T

[zenith tundra]

my opponent list has only bad fleets can't even try

[vague token]

lol

[zenith tundra]

i would go for max memes with aurora jintsuu aya even with hiryuu hood amagi

u get 4 ijn plus extra damage

[vague token]

id use jintsuu

if i had one

xD

but i probably wouldnt actually cause i like gunnery

[zenith tundra]

maybe belfast instead of aurora tho

[vague token]

i do use belfast/X/port kai

belfast is pretty much locked in during amakaga meta lol

if it's old school owari da ill switch her out

but dont see that too often

[zenith tundra]

if u mirror it u don't give a shit about akaga aurora combo

[vague token]

true, if i had a mirror

xD

no akagi, no jintsuu

mirror is dead

torps without jintsuu are burst and not dps (you wont reach 2nd torp)

and i need another quad mag

instead of 2 quints lol

xD

[zenith tundra]

i use 2 quads and rainbow

[vague token]

i mean it isnt like mag torps on offense hit the enemy backline anyways

might as well just rng it up with MORE DAMAGE

yeah

is range based on velocity, or is it still the same you just get to max range faster?

never actually sure about that

[ivory vine]

nah range is based on torp type

mag torps will only hit backline if fired from a certain threshold on your vg's side

[vague token]

i know that part xD

[ivory vine]

quad 610 will always hit

assuming it's lined up obviously

iirc quint normal torps are 50 range

mag torps are 52

and quad 610 are 60

[vague token]

so velocity does not factor in

you just get to max range

sooner

[zenith tundra]

610 has 60 533 50 and magnetic 52

[vague token]

got it

finally got a 2nd gold belgun

the legend

[zenith tundra]

can't defeat this

with this

[vague token]

juneau making you lose the health race

that's when you give in to meta

[ivory vine]

12345 power

nice

[vague token]

and use your own juneau

xD

the unfun arms race of hit points

although wash mid is weird

havent seen that

[zenith tundra]

hiryuu is max equip with 0 affection bonus lol

[vague token]

xD

[zenith tundra]

2nd try went better

[vague token]

im only at 12400 power with that main fleet though

probably because not +10 twin 127s

xD

[zenith tundra]

my hiryuu power is 3562...

[vague token]

that sounds right

[zenith tundra]

ok now i see why u use this. i just deleted an amakaga on def so easily

[vague token]

yeah, you get 3 air strikes generally

in the time of 2

that's a 50% damage boost

dont have to worry about mgm+2 shenanigans

cause you have 2 barrages

and you can use w/e you want on vanguard

not like the main fleet has any boosts for them

xD

still squishy though, 3 medium armors and no defense skills really

[ivory vine]

but amagi has 2 def skills

[zenith tundra]

u have amagi def skills and hiryuu counterstrike

[ivory vine]

and med armor is tankier vs plane bombs/torps and surface torps

[vague token]

i mean like heavy defense, so you can get out tanked

which is why wasd/amagi might be annoying

[ivory vine]

idt armor effects suicide damage from planes at all but i could be wrong

[zenith tundra]

but yeah kinda of squishy but definitely viable

[ivory vine]

it's only really less tanky vs bb

and who runs bb comps anymore

[vague token]

kek

personally i think 2 bb and 1 cv is like the best

unless there are obvious overperformers in either category

xD

[zenith tundra]

like ws/nakaga lol

u would use 3 bb with ws

[odd schooner]

Gonna try putting fox def

Nah jk. I'm tearing up wasd equip to try something out pve

[zenith tundra]

i'm using amakaga def because i don't have enough stuff to put on a def fleet to be relevant tbh

[odd schooner]

I'm trying some cheap fleet on pve rn and I'm lazy moving sg radars so i just put one on 6 ships

[zenith tundra]

also find it hard to put beaver/tear on def and maybe having to reset because of that

[fading wolf]

Highest i ever actually managed to get, maybe ill be able to get actually within 1k 🤔

[zenith tundra]

u need to camp more and better

[fading wolf]

?

[zenith tundra]

wait for ur opponent to use their attempts and then attack once their score is at least 30+ point over yours so u get extra bonus points

[fading wolf]

🤔

[zenith tundra]

i have 30 points over u and 10 attempts more to use

and only because i kept camping

[fading wolf]

Humu

The other thing that I saw here is when it's reset, it says 5 not 10, and I use those 5 only

At least i think that's what it means

Idk really

[zenith tundra]

u get 5 atempts not 10 after a recover

[fading wolf]

Then idk

[zenith tundra]

u can get max 15 attempts per day

when a new season starts it's always 5/10

u can't keep from previous season

[fading wolf]

Yeah

[zenith tundra]

from what rank i can expect to get top 10-20 in my list? like what could i aim to be around and reset and fish for top ranks while keeping a good score difference?

[ionic magnet]

around top 400-500

cos well they can only get ~50 pts from 5 charges

[zenith tundra]

so it's more score based then rank based?

[ionic magnet]

yea its based on seasonal score difference

rank is just used to estimate the scores cos theres no way to check someone else's score rn (outside of top 100)

[fading wolf]

I never really cared about rank, don't remember exactly but someone said I think that in top 1k you get more merits per vict, but seeing as I'm on 50k..., only now I'm kinda trying to get higher

[zenith tundra]

so u say around 50 score difference?

[ionic magnet]

well thats the gap rn

might change later on

as people do more rounds

[zenith tundra]

u get 90 merits per victory when above 1050 score and top 1k rank @fading wolf

and then 100 merits when over 2200 score and top 10

[fading wolf]

Ah, yeah that was the reason that someone else told me to try do exercies

[zenith tundra]

u do pvp for fun and for purins nothing else

[fading wolf]

I'm OK tho

Honestly, the only resason I bother with it now is that the meta is the ijn, and the ships in it are the ones I use on daily basis, so why not give it a go

[vague token]

mix fleet best fleet jk

[zenith tundra]

how many attempts u have left now? @fading wolf

[fading wolf]

I personally just like playing with ijn fleets, whenever it's Al or any other game mobile / pc that has ijn

0

Used 5 I had 2 3 hours ago

[zenith tundra]

getting to higher ranks also give nice merit rewards too

[fading wolf]

I know, but I'm not in for that points at that 47k

[vague token]

/cries in 120k merits

[zenith tundra]

i have 1575 merits lol

[ionic magnet]

whatre you guys saving merits for

[vague token]

well, i just stopped paying attention mostly xD

ill probably just start burning them

cubes and ironblood boxes probs

no plates =(

reee

[zenith tundra]

if i see a purin and have 15k is insta buy for me

[vague token]

im stocked on purin/bulin atm

xD

[ivory vine]

can never have enough purins

[ionic magnet]

same i never got merits above 20k

i just buy purins everytime

[zenith tundra]

i have 9 purins and only 1 will remain of them after wc rerun

[vague token]

i prefer to get them close to when i need them

[fading wolf]

I was going to say i'ma try get 100k and then you came with that 120k xD

[ionic magnet]

shop can cucc you when you need them

[vague token]

true, but im ok with waiting

[ionic magnet]

happened to me once wont do it again xD

[ivory vine]

im impatient

[zenith tundra]

i usually try to stay as close as possible to 0 tbh

[vague token]

i was only starving of bulin/purin during fw

[ivory vine]

[vague token]

where i just got sodak

and wash came out

and i was like oh no

[fading wolf]

What are the ships you guys waiting for?

[vague token]

doy

[ionic magnet]

sirius

[fading wolf]

DIY?

Doy

[vague token]

duke of york

[zenith tundra]

doy for hms fleet sirius for akaga memes

[vague token]

big vampire

[fading wolf]

Ah

[vague token]

ws stole her first salvo damage boost

[fading wolf]

I don't remember was it Nagato or yamato that was op?

And would be that ship stronger or amagi

🤔

[vague token]

yamato only got teased indirectly

so who knows what she has besides the guns i think?

nagato is the doom buffs for ijn, especially amagi xD

accuracy boooost

and for some reason doesnt buff BBV

which is sad

[fading wolf]

Ohh yammy isn't out?

[zenith tundra]

nagato was best run with akaga for 20% more dmg for aviation then switched to nagato with amagi and anything else because it's better

[vague token]

on the tier list dont they just leave the slot blank

[ivory vine]

well nagato buffs bbv

[vague token]

because you can use literally anything?

[ivory vine]

it's just they get the fp buff

[fading wolf]

What does naga give? I checked a while but dont remember

[ivory vine]

and not 20% flat dmg increase like cv

[vague token]

yeah, rip their air strike

[zenith tundra]

When sortied as the flagship: increases allied Sakura Empire ships' firepower by 4% (10%) and their reload and accuracy by 5% (20%). Additionally, increases Sakura Empire aircraft carrier damage (does not affect Aviation Battleships) toward enemy by 5% (20%).

[vague token]

unfortunate

but im pretty sure i know why

[fading wolf]

Aviation battleship?

[vague token]

yama/fusou/ise/hyuuga

kai

specifically

[fading wolf]

Ah

Would be worth using amagi & Nagato together? 🤔

[vague token]

that's top meta

[zenith tundra]

it is like best comp before ws

[fading wolf]

Oh xD

[zenith tundra]

and with ws u can just use nagato amagi ws

[vague token]

xD

[fading wolf]

Ws?

[vague token]

warspite

[zenith tundra]

warspite kai

[vague token]

specifically her retrofit

[fading wolf]

Ah

Wait Warspite the bb HMS?

[vague token]

ya

[zenith tundra]

yes

[vague token]

she got a retrofit

making her oh dear god

[fading wolf]

She's ssr right, and retro 🤔

[vague token]

like sandy

[zenith tundra]

ur like sandy

[fading wolf]

Yeah

Sandy memes too strong, she got so powerful she ascended

That explains why shes eating so many cubes

[vague token]

yeah, but unlike an awp, warspite doesnt have downtime

if the awp misses, you headshot them back with an ak

or your own awp

xD

warspite misses, and she has 3 more salvos headed your way

with 120% damage boost lol

[fading wolf]

[vague token]

exaggerating somewhat but dem skills

[coral wren]

could anyone show me what loadout do you have for hms?

[supple stratus]

Am i psychopath for putting Juneau in front of my Vanguard?

[vague token]

depends

if aurora

then yes

she will melt

probably

if no aurora, you can usually put her lead

[supple stratus]

I have Aurora

I go from front to back, Juneau, Aurora, Belfast

Main guns belguns cause of the HE Buff of course

[odd schooner]

Switch bel and juneau slot

[supple stratus]

I see

[odd schooner]

Bel survives till first airstrike

[supple stratus]

I'll do it when refresh gives more attacks

I'm stuck at the mid 500-1000's

I can't go further beyond

[odd schooner]

And Belfast has her 88 luck

Compared to Juneau at 18

Means you're doing something wrong

Are you atking your leftmost