pvp

[clear cloud]

Hey maybe can use her to tank warspite barrage

[modern tree]

It also might just be that fucking worlds from 6 to 10 are all BB and suicide ship hell so stacking the front instead of the back is super dumb

[coral wren]

gotta collect 5 of each

unless you are bathing in mk bullins

[modern tree]

Purins are easy to stock up on because most SSr ships blow

unless you happen to like huge titties and you are not too concerned with their performance I guess, then you are doomed

[coral wren]

you happen to like huge titties
or the opposite, lul

I think for many out there leveling up ssr's is the first priority without bothering about their performance

Just because it's, you know, rare

Good for you, i think if i aimed for elites i wouldn't have to spent rubies on dock enhancing...

[modern tree]

Eldridge, Poi, z46, Akashi, Warspite lol, White Heart, Maya vs wasd, akaga, belfast, hood, tirp, zepp, minnie, bige, amagi, taco atago, illu skk zkk eugen norcal pow all the other hearts

I do not think you are in danger if you are not after huge tits tbh

[coral wren]

i think a good half of those are not having big breasts

Just medium

But that might depend on artist..

dock space is a menace indeed

[modern tree]

I will concede minnie and maybe some of the hearts, but if you tell me any other one from this list doesnt have huge tits then we will have to simply disagree

Thanks to my complete indifference to bust size I am sitting on 8 purins for dork and sirius

[coral wren]

The very first boat i'd point out is hood

but when i look at her swimsuit skin in shop, i've got a feeling that someone is full of shit

[modern tree]

both her oath and swimsuit skins have enchanced assets

[coral wren]

Should have known breast implants is a thing in al

[outer stump]

@modern tree well u didn't had the best gear in the entire world, I can understand that, but from your video I can agree whit that... Z vanguards does pretty well when there's no debuffer in the enemy fleets, especially evasion debuffer like Aurora's passive in that moment made Z vanguards worthless...

[modern tree]

It's pretty much the issue, yea

Zs don't have a meaningful impact as a vanguard and they get wiped by Aurora

I am rising their CAs to try with Liepzig atm

which will probably do better, but might still be rather underwhelming

[outer stump]

Still I want to try them... I have the gears but no ships and skills maxed

Does Liepzig buffs DD too?

I don't remember really

[modern tree]

It's cruisers only

[outer stump]

Oh

You're going to try Deutchland and Spee?

I can tell that they will die instantly vs torp comp especially

Like 18 evasion at lvl 100

[modern tree]

I was thinking Hipper GERMANY Liepzig

Hipper has respectable offensive stats and is hella tanky

[outer stump]

Oh sure KMS indy

[modern tree]

with zepp buff shes tankier, but more or less?

[outer stump]

Well if you get lucky to proc 50% dmg reduction I can tell

[modern tree]

stillgonnadobetterthaneugenprobably

[outer stump]

And as the third you can bring Spee, it's buffed Deutchland

I think she has more hp

But the evasion might be the same

[modern tree]

Ideally the third would be Roon but gonna have to settle on either of the sharks for now. It probably doesnt matter whic one a whole lot. GERMANY has slightly better offensive stats at the cost of like 300 hp

and I do mean slightly

[outer stump]

Roon isn't a PR ship?

[modern tree]

it is, which is why I am not gonna be trying it now, but if I get the comp now then why not in the future

the grand return of the kms meme

[coral wren]

should replace enty for smth

[modern tree]

cant tho

You have to run a non BB for Tirp and ther's very little reason to consider not Enterprise in this slot

if you can name a ship that is acessible atm that might do better I will try it, but I dont think it is possible. I would do something silly like Hyuuga kai, but can't atm

[outer stump]

Roon actually has potential in late fight

[modern tree]

Unless you wanna see yamacats sink or something, I can do that I suppose

[outer stump]

That reload stacks pretty hard I think

[coral wren]

Hm, if not for gnes and her sister trash stats, i guess them+graf could be an option

[modern tree]

I dont know if you'd ever want german yamashiro and notwarspite instead of Tirpitz

[coral wren]

gotta make true kms fleet

pure blooded so to speak

[modern tree]

maybe one day, but right now I have way better things to do than training up vanilla battlecruisers just for their kms tag

[coral wren]

they a prolly much weaker than rodney and nelson

[modern tree]

they are probably as good as Repulse and Renown

[coral wren]

[coral wren]

repulse and renown are good???

no

oh wait it was a joke, lol im bit slow today

[swift echo]

[azure aurora]

Amakaga again

I eat that fleet with suicide wasd

[woven jacinth]

why have i gotten this far

help

this isn't funny, game

[lone pendant]

lol

everyone so active

[zenith tundra]

ws kai not only killed pvp but this channel too it seems

[odd schooner]

Too less content tbh

Also i stopped doing test runs

Ppl follow blindly anyway

[zenith tundra]

it's a 1 pvp comp meta so not much to talk about

[odd schooner]

Some dude was lecturing me about Washington fleet. Also an EN person so I just went

Same server too

He was using the default wasd E

[zenith tundra]

[odd schooner]

Even with retrofit i don't think I'll oath or raise(when lvl cap is up) ws yet

[fading wolf]

I'm still clueless what the fc is wasd XD

[odd schooner]

Washington south dakota

WaSD

[fading wolf]

🤔

[zenith tundra]

ws is long term investment over almost 1 year so just do it bit by bit like u do for sandy

[odd schooner]

Oh right sandy

I skill her up when there's vacant

[zenith tundra]

i have her lvl 97 no affection and no skill leveled up

[odd schooner]

I was originally using ws before we got the oath patch

[fading wolf]

Guys help, wtf do I spend merits on... I got sodak & eldri. Idk what else...

[zenith tundra]

u buy purins/cubes/boxes with merit

mainly purins tho

[odd schooner]

Pre kai as well lmao leander is really such a qt

[fading wolf]

I got enough purins tho

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

save then

[fading wolf]

I'm sitting at like 30+ elite & around 15 ssr ones

[odd schooner]

Buy cubes and ironblood

Or any box you need

[zenith tundra]

or royal if u need gold barras like me

[odd schooner]

Ye

[fading wolf]

Hmm I do need another belgun

[odd schooner]

The cubes are expensive but they rarely come along

[zenith tundra]

just brought the 5 pack full price royal and got a gold cata autoloader toolbox and 2 152mm rip

[odd schooner]

2k points for a cube

[zenith tundra]

i use everything i can for cubes tbh

[odd schooner]

[fading wolf]

[zenith tundra]

today only sandbaggers in my list... 0 bonus so far wtf

[analog hare]

[zenith tundra]

looks like 0/5 attempts with bonuses for me

well fuck this bullshit rng

[livid fractal]

I rather get 0 bonus points than forgetting to attack

almost missed my chances just now.. Barely made it

[ivory vine]

same

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather be myself and forget my attempts then get fucked by rng so badly

[ivory vine]

i already do that

[real notch]

lol just buy purins whenever they come

so u can MLB all the SSRs

gold boxes 1st priority ofc

[zenith tundra]

1st priority pvp is aotn without rushing it

[real notch]

that's impossible for me

i am unlucky with sandbagging

i know switch keeps getting like top 3

[zenith tundra]

i always failed it because i always forget about attempts but this season i'm actually putting my phone alarm right before new attempts so i don't forget

[real notch]

LOOL that's a good idea

i was thinking that but my alarm would ring while i'm at work so

rip

[zenith tundra]

i don't care if it happens tbh

i just pretend to go to restroom and do my attempts

[real notch]

LOOL

man of culture

[vague token]

that's dedication

[zenith tundra]

fuck dedication when ur fucked by rng. an entire day with 0 bonus is bullshit

[ionic magnet]

[vague token]

[real notch]

Same

Last night for the whole 6 hours nobody moved

I was thinking these fuckers definitely all missed their rund

[odd schooner]

Or sleep time for them

[ionic magnet]

that happened to me too

bad timezone is bad

[velvet fossil]

I feel like even lvl 40’s are trying to sandbag wth

[odd schooner]

Feels like this is the sloppiest season

We're 1 week+ away and with 5/10 it already reached top 500

[idle python]

The lv 40s probably aren't sandbagging, they just didnt move or barely move because they probably lost matches

[pastel forge]

missed 2 matches

[ionic magnet]

this is only my second time sandbagging so cant really compare

but i gotta say this whole pvp system is so dependent on rng lol

[quaint ferry]

PvP letting you cancel and restart a match for better rng and letting you see the opponent's fleet power should be removed to make pvp more challenging

[elder crane]

That'd never happen, since the audience of this game is casual players
The only system I've seen that's reasonable is to give -1 pt per reset, lenient enough that casuals won't notice but enough for more serious people to care about

The pt sandbagging thing though should really go though, it's pretty silly

[coral wren]

Oh wow, desron/ent,hood, amagi actually kicked my ass

Not even sure who to put instead of eldridge

Wasd a can tank ent strikes, but desron needs to die qickly

Actually kinda tired of that torp rng bullshit

Nah, it weren’t foxes, just 2 barrage ships and big e

I guess i got really unlucky

Couldn’t even reset in time

[vernal scroll]

can you reset and then reroll for new pvp options?

[coral wren]

Ye

[vernal scroll]

thanks 😃

[ionic magnet]

belgun or tbtsks for CLs?

[coral wren]

belgun

which boats i should put in my hms vang vs wasd, foxes?

bel is like 100% top/mid, but the other 2

[elder crane]

Some combination of Fortune, Juneau, Leander, Aurora I imagine

Leander/Fortune probably vs torpedo Frontline foxes

[azure aurora]

Aurora for amakaga

HMS need tanky Vanguard

Belfast fortune and junaeu

Yes , its funny when one hms ship more suitable to ijn fleet pvp than hms fleet pvp

[elder crane]

For stability vs torpedos, I'd slot in Leander
And then in that case, Juneau is pretty subpar, bel smoke means she often just doesn't die fast enough
If you don't shield vs torps, Juneau will every so often get sniped early, which can be annoying if you rely on her heal, so fortune is less RNG there

[coral wren]

Yeah, vs torpedos leander is a must have. I guess you could kinda find something more interesting vs wasd than a belfast, not quite sure what tho

[ionic magnet]

is the belguns HE modifier enough to cover the spread loss?

maybe tbtsk is better?

[elder crane]

Tbtsk will also often miss as well in PvP ranges and ship speeds
Plus, fires

[coral wren]

when do you want to slot in fortune?

[azure aurora]

No, HE better for pvp because most enemy is cl or dd

[coral wren]

or rather vs who

[ionic magnet]

thought so

[elder crane]

Vs either really, for a HMS team, fortune is just super useful there

[leaden sequoia]

does Amakaga work even with lvl 90 Akagi, but lvl 6 skills? I don't have enough purins to get to lvl 100 and am afraid of level difference advantage of the opponent even with 20% attacker bonus

both Amagi and Kaga are lvl 100

Amagi skills 8/8/10, Kaga 7/6

[elder crane]

One can also argue that since vanguard stacks, tbtst pen effect makes up for the modifiers
Main issue is though that PvP vanguard moves fast, so tbtsk will miss too (spread isnt much of a negative here), and fires are very useful in PvP

[azure aurora]

I think you need to raise akaga skill first

[elder crane]

Amkaga should still work in most cases there, the vast majority of teams aren't so optimized to be an issue

[azure aurora]

Lv 6 skill not that good

[elder crane]

You might have some trouble with maxed teams though, esp the mirror matchup, so you might need to avoid a few people here and there

[arctic blade]

what's the best pvp fleet atm?

[azure aurora]

Amakaga jintsuu Aurora ayanami

[elder crane]

Overall winrate, amkaga
Juneau over Aya there

[arctic blade]

who can i relpace aurora with if i don't have her :c

[azure aurora]

Juneau

Or belfast

[elder crane]

Juneau/Aya/Belfast are all fine

[arctic blade]

no eldridge?

[elder crane]

Eld is not very useful right now

[azure aurora]

Eldridge is food for aurora

[arctic blade]

kek, i just got her to 100/10

[elder crane]

Main issue is the ships she counters aren't an issue anymore

[coral wren]

does aurora work well with hms?

[elder crane]

Not really, synergy isn't that good
She's fine, but should be better options

[odd schooner]

Uhh

Ye

[azure aurora]

Yes, but not the best
HMS pvp is snipe

[arctic blade]

so amkaga, juneau, jintsuu and aya. thanks guys 😄

[vague token]

hms is gunnery for main fleet

so

not that important

[azure aurora]

Don't put juneau front

[arctic blade]

no?

[coral wren]

so far i understanbd that you kinda want foirtune kai 100% all the time, bel vs foxes here and there, leander vs torps, and juneau if you some faith in jesus

[odd schooner]

Actually on offense you can

[arctic blade]

who to put front?

[odd schooner]

The middle or backline juneau works best on defense

[azure aurora]

For me backline

[elder crane]

On offense Juneau anywhere but front risks dying too late

Esp if you run any other def ships

[azure aurora]

You mean too early?

[leaden sequoia]

both my academy slots are busy for Ayanami's Supernatural (now lvl 9) and Amagi's blue skill (now lvl 8)
so I guess I should prioritise raising Akaga skills at least to lvl 8 cause that's fast enough using 4 T3 books for each skill

[elder crane]

I never have issue with Juneau dying early, IDK what you're doing if you do

[vague token]

if it's meta suicide, juneau is basically guaranteed to die before airstrike hits main fleet

[elder crane]

Aside from the occasional torps snipe

[vague token]

unless rng

in front

[elder crane]

IDK, not an issue for me, More often she refuses to die even in front

[azure aurora]

When you on offensive juneau front will sunk when rest of your team only 90% hp

[vague token]

well they have to have aurora though

[azure aurora]

Don't know if we play same game

[elder crane]

What do you have on her O.o

[azure aurora]

Thats why i rarely put her front

Pearl and bulge

[vague token]

i do bulge boiler nowadays

[elder crane]

Pearl should be on another ship for heal stability

[azure aurora]

Im not using amakaga rn

[elder crane]

Esp if you already have trouble with overheal

[azure aurora]

Im using suicide wasd

[elder crane]

So? Pearl should still be elsewhere

[azure aurora]

No

[elder crane]

Are we playing the same game

[azure aurora]

Thats why i ask

[vague token]

id still move the pearl off lol

[azure aurora]

If i place pearl in other ship juneau will survive till the end

[vague token]

but i dont run suicide

[elder crane]

That's why you place her in front

You're contradicting yourself there

Does she die too early or live until end?

[odd schooner]

[leaden sequoia]

so from what I understood just now it's better to run Bel/Aya/Aurora front rather than Leander Kai/Aya/Aurora when on offensive because higher damage output and Belfast being more useful overall?

[azure aurora]

Don't know about other suicide wasd but here my wasd:
Jintsuu ayanami and juneau
Jintsuu front because she tanky enough for first torp
Aya mid
Juneau back

[odd schooner]

You'd want juneau to live the longest on a suicide wasd tho

[azure aurora]

[elder crane]

Still no reason to have pearl on her

[odd schooner]

But that's defense

Offense you can go any slot juneau

[vague token]

yeah just move the pearl to jintsuu or ayayaya xD

[azure aurora]

But not long enough so she can survive 2nd torps launch

[odd schooner]

She doesn't die that early

[vague token]

well no smoke into aurora suicide she'll die on first strike + barrage

[elder crane]

Wasd though I'll admit does a good job holding on so Juneau doesn't die too late

[vague token]

im guessing

[elder crane]

Nope, not at all

[vague token]

o.o, i can barely get my belfast to survive first strike if a torp hits

plus amagi barrage

[odd schooner]

I mean the concept of suicide strat is
Disposable + Juneau + Disposable

[ivory vine]

amagi barrage hits before smoke anyway

[elder crane]

Juneau's super high AA means she actually takes much less airstrikes damage than bel

[azure aurora]

Not mid juneau again, i already ss countless immortal juneau

[odd schooner]

Oh so you're that person

[azure aurora]

Yeah with strong juneau

[vague token]

lol

[elder crane]

IDK, I just have more issues with immortal Juneau than squishy Juneau

[vague token]

xD

im just using belfast/portkai/aurora now

bruiserific

[azure aurora]

Portkai viable?

[vague token]

viable sure, doubt she's optimal

xD

slow and steady kind of team

shoot debuffed cls, use 5k hp and 75 evade to become most durable

[elder crane]

Might actually help with stability overall given advantage attacker has already

[vague token]

and hood/amagi means 2 barrage

for backline pressure

so you can waste frontline shots

[azure aurora]

Hood amagi

[vague token]

and hiryuu for the tank slot

[azure aurora]

[vague token]

because 15 seconds of lol nope

[coral wren]

if you put ws on the middle, who will sdhe snipe, top or bot

[elder crane]

Top, iirc

[leaden sequoia]

OK thanks everyone, just used Amakaga/Bel/Aya/Aurora, pretty easy to win, but will need to optimize equips when I get higher in rank

[coral wren]

thx

[azure aurora]

So did hms raise again with warspite kai ?

[elder crane]

Yep

[azure aurora]

IJN still good right?

[ivory vine]

is it really hms being good

[azure aurora]

I invest a lot for them

[elder crane]

I'd wait until hype dies down a bit for accurate conclusions though

[azure aurora]

[ivory vine]

or just ws kai is so broken you can do w/e you want

[elder crane]

Some "HMS" are dropping QE : XD

[vague token]

15% boost to godlike is still godlike

might as well take a utility

or bigger buff

xD

[azure aurora]

Monarch Doy and warspite?

[coral wren]

the best thing is, you don't even need to watch over your pvp match

[elder crane]

But I'd wait until hype around WS drops, and see how things stabilize

[azure aurora]

Weird hms

[coral wren]

ws kai will take a good care of it 😄

[vague token]

was kai amagi hood

jk

SO MANY BULLETS

[azure aurora]

Too bad warspite buff only for royal

If not we can flex her in other nation fleet

[vague token]

i mean, running triple royal seems overkill but i dunno what the target painter odds are

[elder crane]

From current reports, when facing attacker WSkai is hard countered by hiryuu, which kinda makes sense

[ivory vine]

id only play hms if it works w/o QE

[vague token]

qe retro when

xD

[azure aurora]

Yeah 15 sec immortal

[elder crane]

Make everyone waste volleys, and hiryuu still gets all of her strikes out

[coral wren]

can't be the best in both def and attk

but since it's the best in atk

[vague token]

well you could run just WSkai and no other hms in backline

[coral wren]

you just slot bullins in def

[vague token]

lol

[azure aurora]

But we can set ws to shot hiryuu last

Or 2nd

[coral wren]

but en won't see ws kai anytime soon so...

[elder crane]

Sorry, post wasn't clear, I meant new HMS is not too much threat as a defense team

[coral wren]

we still gona get a taste of ijn cancer, right?

[elder crane]

I wonder if SoDak can counter it too, or if her invul is too short

[azure aurora]

Current HMS is joke, sorry hms user

[elder crane]

Well, ijn cancer is already halfway here, Soo...

[vague token]

inb4 nagato released with hiryuu kai

[elder crane]

Just not in it's full form, so not that cancerous yet

[vague token]

gg meta

[azure aurora]

Hiryuu kai after world 12

[vague token]

oof

[ivory vine]

gib hiryuu kai now

[azure aurora]

Sandy kai first

She numba wan

[coral wren]

Lol we dont need her yet

[azure aurora]

But we need hiryuu kai

More than nagato

[coral wren]

y, we still need nagato and sendai

Yes

[azure aurora]

Sendai soon

[coral wren]

Cause with hiryuu comes souryuu

And i like souryuu kai's look

[azure aurora]

We don't talk about souryuu here

[coral wren]

So ye we need hiryuu kai nao

[azure aurora]

Only hiryuu

[odd schooner]

Hiryuu rn is soft

[vague token]

she works well for my specific team, mostly because the timing of her bonus air strike is always really good

so she's always a contender for mvp atm

outside of that i doubt she'd do much xD

[elder crane]

She gets through amkaga with skill intact something like half the time in tank slot with Juneau heal, and if she does, it's practically an auto-win for attacker
Even without that, she's basically a unsnipable consistent enty vs amkaga given the battle timers facing that team
Doesn't work for def right now though probably, given how close it is

[vague token]

dont even need juneau heal really

lol

with just pearl she usually has enough to avoid final counter

[elder crane]

Makes it more consistent though, esp if she eats the full strike+barrage

[vague token]

true, but im done with juneau, must protec

no more sink =(

[azure aurora]

Must kill thats her role

[vague token]

oof

[azure aurora]

Deny that and you make her existence worthless

Crueler than death

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

So about the suicide strat, if you really wanna go suicide strat, 2 disposables and middle juneau. The 2 disposables can be something that makes a dent to your enemy

front should either be that or face torp and survives while covering the other 2 and dies on airstrike (yeah, it's belfast lmao) or jintsuu works too so she buffs preloaded torps

Back vanguard usually squishy ships that die after the first preloaded torp or during first airstrike. Usually the ships that eat some of thr runaway torpedo or protects backline from more dmg like fortune kai

Lastly, make juneau just live long enough without having one backline suddenly sink before she dies

Proceed to backline destroying enemy vanguard and outplays enemy backline because they're good if not the best at it

Ps. This is an old pic, I eventually moved pearl to Belfast to make Juneau last long enough to eat 2nd wave of torp

Pps. It's not suicide strat if your whole vanguard is intact

I don't have my newer pics lmao

[vague token]

[odd schooner]

[azure aurora]

So for this strat better hood or amagi ?

[odd schooner]

Amagi

That's a January pic

I dug it from here

I deleted all of it at the start of this month cause it's pointless and just eats up my storage

[azure aurora]

901 pvp pic

[elder crane]

Eyy Chinese phone too

Mi cloud

[odd schooner]

I kept a few recording cause it's fun to watch

China phone for china game

[azure aurora]

I need lagging def fleet

[odd schooner]

[azure aurora]

Full dive bomber plane right?

[elder crane]

Overall, as long as BB/BC are in team, losing vanguard fight by a bit isn't much of an issue
With 2, by some bit, and with 3, I swear they can almost deal with enemy vanguard without your own

[odd schooner]

It's like feeding a shredder with paper

[elder crane]

Brrrrrrrrp goes the secondaries

[ivory vine]

i love when my vanguard decides to ram wasd backlines

[vague token]

if they dont have 200% 127s it isnt so bad

[azure aurora]

Ram wasd ? Goodbye vanguard

[vague token]

i see a few with bad aux guns

[odd schooner]

I think most doesn't have 9+ 127mm yet

127*

[vague token]

probably because amagi is doubling for pve with cl guns lol

i have 1 +10 127 for my minne, i moved it to port xD

pewpew

[elder crane]

Belgun is useful as an attacker option as well, for more sprinkling B4 your vanguard dies and the burst it provides for cleanup

[vague token]

oh yeah on attacker

[azure aurora]

Pew pew

3 rd gun

[vague token]

xD

[azure aurora]

Wish we can equip that with skin

[vague token]

they need more skills like that york one that buffs the torp ca aux gun

[elder crane]

All that effort, to make it barely usable
But MGM+1 will still be better

[vague token]

mgm+1 destroyer and no not niizuki

lol

[azure aurora]

Niizuki mgm +1 ?

[vague token]

she does

[elder crane]

Do we know if it is still bugged on EN?

[vague token]

dunno

[elder crane]

Akizuki class all have MGM+1

Too bad their base gun stats are meh

[odd schooner]

[azure aurora]

Like new meido ?

[vague token]

66 firepower

lol

[elder crane]

Efficency isn't very high either iirc

[vague token]

i think it hits 100

[elder crane]

Imagine if they had Fletcher class gun eff

[vague token]

yeah it hits 100

[elder crane]

Then they'd be pretty good

[vague token]

lol oh god

i feel like z23 should have had mgm+1

[elder crane]

100 is nothing special, 120/130 or more is where it's at for good gun efficiencies

[sharp obsidian]

So with Winter's Crown over the horizon, would it shake up the EN PvP Meta? Notably additions are DoY & Sirius right?

[vague token]

might be op for pve

but whatever

might make her work in pvp

lol

[azure aurora]

No, amakaga still rule

[elder crane]

Sirius reinforces Amkaga, DoY bumps up HMS a bit

Overall nothing too big

[azure aurora]

Unless monarch coming

[sharp obsidian]

But would DoY be enough to move HMS past Amakaga?

[elder crane]

Nope, just catches up somewhat

[azure aurora]

WC already 100% confirmed after this one ?

[elder crane]

End of Feb or so, WC rerun version confirmed

[sharp obsidian]

I think so, there was a post somewhere I think

[elder crane]

Time not fully out yet

[azure aurora]

Rerun version

Why our vdir not rerun version

[vague token]

yukikaze that early into en launch lol

you crazy

[coral wren]

cuz back then we were still learning the basics of the game

[elder crane]

I think Sirius might not be a 100% addition to Amkaga, but might be completely wrong on that

[azure aurora]

Hey we got owarida at start

Not too much power creep

But will make eldridge useless

[elder crane]

Vdir was probably just too early

Enty is a starting ship, so not exactly comparable

[sharp obsidian]

@vague token , but we got Amagi on creation XD

[elder crane]

KMS was since subs are a thing

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Us getting CE is super weird though imo
They must really want the servers somewhat in sync

[vague token]

it's probably to help with development

if everything is synced

dont have to stress out about the version diffs

[azure aurora]

Ok this one oot, since AL en started did anyone ever got 1 ship from commision?

[elder crane]

I think they confirmed that that's broken

It's a known issue, no ETA on fix

[azure aurora]

I tought my luck is E

Not single common

[vague token]

xD

[coral wren]

I strongly believe chaser doesn't exist

[charred sable]

RIP Amagi

[coral wren]

this isso satisfying to see

asmr of al

[charred sable]

Looks like 6.5k dmg x 2 snipe shot from Warspite

[coral wren]

watching ws killing shit

[livid fractal]

That's so broken

[coral wren]

In the end it all comes to who sandbags better

[azure aurora]

6k damage

Power creep is real

[charred sable]

Keep in mind it's a crit. From a rainbow ship xD

[azure aurora]

Warspite first shot is guarantee crit

Or always crit?

[charred sable]

I hate it when I miss an entire set of 5 attacks because the game airways displays "5" upon reset and I forget that it's actually "10"

[clear cloud]

Ark pretty good at deleting ijn frontline with Sakura torp
Is just she is a little squishy

[vague token]

if you dont run aurora, jintsuu and the rest of team CL can evade a lot of her torp planes

and it also comes really late

[coral wren]

Besides leander kai there was also another boat with preload smoke screen, right?

[vague token]

bailey xD

she's squishy though

[coral wren]

aww

[zenith tundra]

should i attack that?

[azure aurora]

Yes

[zenith tundra]

+1 thanks

wasnt sure about score difference

[azure aurora]

At this hour easy for +1 or even +2

[odd schooner]

My left is just +68

We're still +12 base so it's +2

+15 base is weird tbh i got one +16 few days ago

[ionic magnet]

completely different for me

at this hour its almost impossible to get any bonus points

[hot creek]

it varies

sometimes its the best hour

sometimes is the worst

[supple stratus]

Anyone got that video of Lolispite retro deleting Amagi?

[charred sable]

Scroll up like 2 pages

[odd schooner]

Ok now it's +1 what

[modern tree]

Is Enterprise good only when she procs? Be honest.

[coral wren]

best cv in the game, isn't she?

[modern tree]

I am not sure if I'd call a CV that has 70% chance to be best in the game the best in the game

which is why I am asking if she can be considered any good outside of her dumb ability

[coral wren]

Eeh... her other good "ability" is she is independent and don't really need a special setup built around her.

But i guess other cv's who actually need the fleet to be built around them may(and probably do) outshine her

In all honesty, it's kinda hard to say

haven't compared her stats to others yet

[odd schooner]

She's vanilla cv outside it with balanced load in planes i think

[modern tree]

I guess I am mostly wondering if playing a carrier that has 30% chance to be totally whatever is better than playing one that has a set of abilities in any given scenario. It's inspired by my pretty long streak of playing wasd with Ark like a dumbass. It just beats wasd e as long as enterprise does not proc back to back which probably should not happen if Enterprise was better boat than Ark

[ionic magnet]

it depends how good (or bad) 70% is to you tbh

[modern tree]

I am not a huge fan of gambling

that said, it is sort of sad we dont have many boats that could even contest this spot vs enterprise on EN

I tried some carriers before

[ionic magnet]

if i need a single CV in my fleet then noone comes close to her really. i consider 70% pretty high in a gamble so yea

[coral wren]

perhaps centaur will take her place soon

if any other nations besides hms can use her

[odd schooner]

I'd drop chips on a 70% too lmao

[modern tree]

I guess I play too much xcom

[coral wren]

When you lose a match because of 70% that cucked you, it does make you feel like shit indeed

[coral wren]

What other ships hms does use on cn besides neptune?

bel and juneau?

btw juneau is USS

lusty

for plane hell

25% heal is strong af

and i doubt they use lusty when there is centaur

ah how could i forget one of my fav ship

monarch

warspite and centaur as well

oh yeah DoY

rear was something like monarch qe and centaur

vang neptune juneau and bel

oh w8

it wasn't bel

prolly yukikaze

nah they use lusty for w12

[modern tree]

HMS uses Belfast Nep Juneau the most, then sometimes Fortune Cygnet Leander Sheff and ykkz because yes

[coral wren]

maybe 11

em, i thought we are talking pvp here

oh

yeah then lusty is gone

[modern tree]

It would seem to be the purpose of this clubhouse, yes

[coral wren]

sorry mind went away

Ah, damn, i need to level up cygnet as well

[vernal scroll]

Who are some good non-gold ships to level (specific to pvp here)? Tier lists are always subjective / lacking in depth and reasons

[coral wren]

juneau

leander

cygnet

fortune

aurora

jintsu

[hot creek]

i wouldn't say cygnet and fortune are high priorty

[modern tree]

Helena is arguably alright despite being just a vessel for comboes

[odd schooner]

Fortune only has one job

She can die after it

||protecting main fleet either she eat preloaded torps or stay alive for a short moment to have 15% dmg reduction on backline for upcoming preloaded torps||

[swift echo]

[modern tree]

are you fighting a submarine?

[livid fractal]

Tfw no one is attacking and there's an hour left for the next reset

Stuck at 9/10

[modern tree]

I missed like 2 or 3 charges and now everyone on my lists is always playing. I got +5 points this reset so far

[tired summit]

How is warspite kai

[dull hollow]

pvp channel will be dead once warspite released

[tired summit]

Dear lord

[native mantle]

damn jsut cause i missed one attack

[modern tree]

one is the top3 and the other is his name at the bottom of the screen I'd assume

[ivory vine]

this channel wont be dead w/ ws kai release

it will just be filled with complaining and gifs of her one shotting stuff

[quaint ferry]

Vanguard evades the initial torpedo waves
Me: good shit my ships
Vanguard proceeds to path back into every single torpedo, getting instakilled
Me : Am I a joke to you

[ivory vine]

[real notch]

LOOL nice meme

[vague token]

the fine line between not enough boiler and too many boiler

[shell helm]

boiler gud ?

[modern tree]

Largely dependent on your fleet composition, but if you are running 3 CL with a beaver badge, getting 2 boilers on your fleet will generally let you avoid most of the BB shelling and the worst of the plane bomb clusters.

if you run a DD then they are probably an overkill

mind that the more speed you stack on your fleet, the more torps they will be catching on opening so unless they can tank that or have an ability that helps them tank that like LEander smoke, you probably dont want to go TOO fast

[shell helm]

what Aux should i be equip on Portland [EN] ?

[modern tree]

Beaver Badge and SG radar, Torpedo Bulge or Boiler depending in what you care about the most

[coral wren]

who would you pick cygnet against?

[modern tree]

torps and bbs

because smoke and DD speed

[coral wren]

was just wondering why would you even want her if you coul put leander kai

[modern tree]

because she is surprisingly tanky between her 46 speed, smoke and evasion skill, she is basically just a stall option vs more agressive Leander. If neither frontline dies then HMS is technically winning with their barrages

[coral wren]

Oh, now i see, thx!

[shy hazel]

looking at ws kai jp endgame

stall fronts are the best in the endgame

yukikaze + anything

[modern tree]

Well, the "endgame" is just going to be PRLouis Juneau and YKKZ with anything so

might as well just stop training boats

[split socket]

The real pvp "endgame" is relogin and checking ur opponents pvp rank

[quaint ferry]

Need Aurora

[odd schooner]

Ok got hit by 0 gain now

And we're at +10 base starting this reset

[true geyser]

/leave

[strange moat]

club is a required argument.

[timid gate]

in pvp i better use aya kai or eldridge? also should i replace my minneapolis with juneau? need some help with the pvp team formation

[quaint ferry]

Ayanami kai damage is bonkers, Juneau with sodak and washington + Eldridge makes it annoying to deal with as defense

[timid gate]

so what's a good offense team? no amagi, aurora and jintsuu, have pretty much everyone else

[vague token]

im so confused, runtimeError's team is doing much more carrier damage than most of the akagas ive seen

or maybe it's the aya kai torp pressure?

[quaint ferry]

The standard right now is
Akagi-------Aurora
Amagi------Ayanami
Kaga--------Jintsuu

[vague token]

yeah im definitely losing more trades on just this guy than before

no other amakaga has done as much damage

[quaint ferry]

Everyone and their mothers are using that

[vague token]

maybe not everyone has 2 quads

yeah im definitely losing all fights on all positions

i guess the rest of the amakaga suicides havent been maxed?

i almost feel like he's using like 5 boilers lol

[quaint ferry]

Probably

[vague token]

yeah im losing main fleet before 2nd air strike comes out

his frontline has far more damage than any suicide ive matched up against lol

and i cant protect aurora to go with my own airstrike

which means boiler cls dodge

a lot

yeah he is almost 100% triggering final counter on purely first air strike

which means im going to have to swap juneau in

there's no choice

soooo many misses

[fading wolf]

Honestly did not think you can even reach 14k

[echo wave]

Hmm maybe max gold equip and enchance and items

[ivory vine]

what is that? double sg radar on everything?

[ionic magnet]

im p sure hes using some kind of a sub-optimal gold gear right there

[vague token]

time to upgrade some boilers

man, havent had a 1:5 loss ratio against amakaga in a while since i swapped my comp

although i guess it really isnt amakaga, it's jintsuu squad

xD

[coral wren]

who are you using atm? Hms?

[vague token]

lol no

im using hiryuu/amagi/hood

it's been fine until this person

i can only assume no one else had properly geared jintsuu squad

i think i went 2 and 20

just hitting restart over and over

he has a LOT of boilers

and since i cant run aurora without murdering my backline health, boiler + unreduced evade makes them tanky

belfast is auto lock since it's amakaga

belfast/juneau/aurora got me 0 wins because he had aurora

[coral wren]

wasd is your choice 😄

[vague token]

pretty sure id still die to second torp salvo

[coral wren]

you do have leander, right?

or cygnet

[vague token]

my backline was melting

as well

and no not leveled

[coral wren]

who can just fart right at the beginning so you don't die to torps

[vague token]

i mean, i was eating 2k torp crits on backline

so that doesnt really help me

xD

[coral wren]

But yeah, torps are aids in defense

[ivory vine]

only 2k?

[vague token]

it wasnt aya

probably aurora

[ivory vine]

jint can crit 4k

[vague token]

i had a few rounds of insta death backline

[ivory vine]

[coral wren]

sometimes they can remove amagi or the whole frontline for me

good thing i leveled leander

just need to level up her smoke

[vague token]

im ok with portland in the lead position, she can soak some torps

and then beef through the strike

it's just the dps is too much

i start off behind, and stay behind

and with like 5 boilers

and no aurora

i cant kill the vanguard

with my own double air strike

it's probably 3 with beaver and pearl

xD

[coral wren]

it will get only worse 😄

[ivory vine]

tbf

hiryuu pre kai

[coral wren]

pray for en to get ws kai as soon as possible

[ivory vine]

has pretty bad stats

[vague token]

eh, she hits mvp

she gets a real air strike

so

[ivory vine]

yeah

[vague token]

it's fine

[coral wren]

so that you can just put ws and shit on all torp fuckers

[ivory vine]

but her aviation and stuff

is pretty meh

[vague token]

i mean, she still gets 3 air strikes usually in the time of 2

[ivory vine]

esp cuz you're not gonna use soryuu in pvp

[vague token]

effectively a 50% damage boost

(because hood reload speeds her up to the bonus one while invuln)

xD

hopefully i never encounter that guy again

lol

none of the other suicide amakaga has given that much trouble xD

or i guess it's just jintsuu

cause the dps boost

lol

[hybrid tendon]

Been running atago in pvp

Shes actually not bad

With the burn skill

[vague token]

yeah this guy, Supremacy, is running suicide but i think he's using quints

instead of 2 quads

[coral wren]

i think someone here also tested ca vs desron

and it appeared to be solid

[vague token]

ca who

lol

oh wow, wasd e

how nostalgic

[coral wren]

heavy cruisers

[vague token]

yeah, which ones

or we talking cn/jp lol

[coral wren]

minneapolis

i think it was @real notch

[vague token]

ah

i was using minne before port kai

she cant handle torp meta

her base hp is too low

[coral wren]

well, yeah, i'm aslo interested how did she survive opening torps

[vague token]

oh, no she'll live through the opener

it's the barrage and air strike that kill you

xD

like, bulge minne will probably soak 2k-3k, depending on how many torps you drive into

but then you eat the amagi sweep

and the planes

usually there's an aim torp

so you sad face

because if you get chipped too much

you'll trigger dullahan and decrease vanguard speed

which is bad

xD

against other lineups, or anything with standard carriers, minne is fine because you can cover dullahan with operation rainbow

and she becomes the best bruiser ca

since her stats are all higher than port kais in terms of deeps

unfortunately jintsuu makes quad torps the bestest deeps

so

rip gun strats

against literally anything else though, CA is fun times

you just throw around your 7-9k hp around

and shoot silly CLs and DDs

and just beef through everything that isnt triple BB backline xD

but even then port kai still lives surprisingly long since medium armor and that hp

[ionic magnet]

CAs are p much memes rn

ive never seen any CA last through 1st salvos/airstrikes

[vague token]

i can get portkai to last through torp opener and air strike

if i used starter smoke it'd be easy

but i only have bailey for my starter smoke atm

[ionic magnet]

okay but at what cost

[vague token]

and taking starter smoke over aurora means suicide isnt suicide

not much really, i dont have jintsuu

so i cant match torp dps

[ionic magnet]

i see

makes sense

[vague token]

port kai is literally my best dps

while having 9k-10k hp

lol

she dies on second torp or 2nd amagi gun though

xD

against literally any other comp

i can steamroll with port/aurora/x

you just tank wimpy torps no problem

75 evade on port kai handles weak air strikes

if it's amakaga without suicide

belfast and port easily tank through it and win the gun fight

thanks to aurora making them able to hit really easily

xD

like, i think it'd be fine if jintsuu didnt buff reload and everything else

in addition to the torp

because then she'd just focus on frontloaded damage

but with the all rounder buff

she makes cl or aya dps, instead of burst

which is auto lose

unless you just kill off your own frontline

and then shell the backline

xD

but that's still rng prone cause defender torps

being a meme and hitting your back

ill do more reset stuff after i get more battles, didnt want to sit at 10

so come murder me i spent everything ;)

get your +1

[ionic magnet]

ive only gotten +1 in 3 fights now

got 2 more before reset

[vague token]

oof

i just did all my 10 stocked up

im 7th now lol

gonna lose that pretty quick

[ionic magnet]

woa

[coral wren]

what s your server?

[ionic magnet]

what a madman

[vague token]

avrora

ill be busy for like a few hours before sleep

so i wanted to spend em to avoid forgetting

[ionic magnet]

yea a win is a win

[vague token]

yep

[ionic magnet]

better than losing them xD

[vague token]

long as i get in the top 10 sometime im happy

at least i can do it with my jank team xD

[arctic imp]

Not if I can help it.

You're not in Washington right?

[vague token]

na im avrora

[arctic imp]

Ah alright

[vague token]

if i sleep through a reset i usually cant make it cause i dont wait for points

xD

[odd schooner]

It's still doable

Also +1 only this reset

[vague token]

ouch

[hot creek]

im am just now realizing that the extra 6% HP from max oath is kind of a lot.

[odd schooner]

Wish harcourt can read that now

[vague token]

still holding 3 oath rings waiting lol

[odd schooner]

For who

Sirius DoY?

And vicky?

[vague token]

doy probably, not sure on rest yet

[coral wren]

Same, 3 rings lying around

[livid fractal]

I lost to Nekonin

[shy hazel]

Ripperino

[hot creek]

I got two rings for Victorious and Neptune

will probably buy another ring pack for Doy and Centuar

[livid fractal]

I'm so done

[vague token]

lol

that seems quite

vexing

;)

[livid fractal]

yeah it is..

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CJvWu/3c7e4fdc05.png

https://puu.sh/CJvWg/d7c6739759.png when your opponent is exactly 35 points above you 👌

[shy hazel]

Phx is from sandy again right?

[hot creek]

Indeed I am.

[shy hazel]

Avrora pvp so stress orz

[arctic imp]

[hot creek]

what a coincidence, we seem to have the same score Pog https://puu.sh/CJwKD/b8ff56b43d.png

[arctic imp]

yikes..

[clear cloud]

pvp is hard

amakaga ijn torp everywhere

[vague token]

if only there was a CA buff ship that could rival jintsuu's buff

/bias

maybe i should try goofing around with leipzig

xD

or train up start smoke

[coral wren]

i do hope they accelerate events so that we could get ws kai as quickly as possible

[vague token]

it would be interesting to get a lot of the ships before 120 and research gear

if that's how things end up

100 meta is different cause 120 stat scaling so i hear

[modern tree]

I wish they accelerated content cuz I have nothing interesting to farm for left and getting extra levels/pr ships would be neat

[coral wren]

but the 'casuals' cant keep up

[ivory vine]

i dont get why they dont just drop all the non event content already

it's not like it's time limited

[modern tree]

if casuals cant keep up then letting them have more levels and better ships is in their best interest, no?

[ionic magnet]

nevermind casuals

even hardcores can barely keep up already

unless theyre some kind of an ultra whale

with you know collecting all ships and stuff

[ivory vine]

idr if pr botes take cubes at all

but i know they take like 5 gold bp

but pretty sure they also take a while to get and you get random pr bp

[modern tree]

Maybe my definition of a hardcore player is a little skewed then

[coral wren]

hardcore whaling

[ionic magnet]

[ivory vine]

im like 200 cubes in to bait up

[coral wren]

but yeah, they can't keep up because many ppl do not save cubes for events and end up missing boats from limited constructioin

[ivory vine]

got neither cn dd

got dupes of every other bait up bote

and 2 aurora/1 tanikaze on top of that

but i just cant finish this shit REEE

[ionic magnet]

i would want them to accelerate contents if they will accelerate getting resources too

[coral wren]

yeah

[ionic magnet]

i still lack curlew and im 150 cubes down already

[coral wren]

accelerating is good, but without cubes you won't get ships anyway

[modern tree]

I missed every other major event purple boat so far and I aint crying about it a lot

I am still top 100 collection on Sandy

[ionic magnet]

yea even with constant license and 10 hr comms its never guaranteed to get all limiteds

tho ill admit im pretty bored rn

could use some new contents

[modern tree]

I am bored of farming w10 because I cant reasonably cut it lower than about 32 fuel for trash fleet and thats 6 fights + ambushes + fleet that can S rank a boss + their ambushes and I dont get to play the game basically because I am totally empty after 2 hours.

so we need more content so I can do something else, this is not a selfish request

[ionic magnet]

thats me for a week while farming jintsuu

do 10-4 runs 8-10 times then play another game

cos out of oils

[modern tree]

oh Jintsuu was with the event shop that gave like 5 k oil for free so I farmed her before we even knew danger level is coming

I guess I really am one of thems hardcore players and I should chill

[shy hazel]

U mean the kms event

[modern tree]

yeah that one

[shy hazel]

Valentines got hatsushimo as limited build apparently

Lets see if theyll put more buildables

Though my cubes are dead

[modern tree]

they should keep adding things to light build pool because we clearly do not have enough stuff there

[ivory vine]

i think the elite rate should be higher than 12% for how many damn botes are in light build

meanwhile there are only 2 ssr in the pool rn

and i can only think of monty and centaur? that get added later

cuz apparently akashi doesnt actually exist

even after doing her quest

i really wanted them to add centaur w/ the skin for cny

but nope

[modern tree]

they should just remove light carriers and monitors from the pool, would already make it better (I know its a change in due time since only EN is dealing with this shit right now, but why not NOW)

[ivory vine]

i havent got a single monitor from it

but yeah cvl all the fuckin time

[modern tree]

I got plenty of unicorns and monitors from it

I dont think ther's a worse feeling than getting an easily farmable ship out of the build that isnt even its type

I feel bad for everyone fishing for Aurora still

godspeed my friends

[coral wren]

lel

[livid fractal]

Revenge

[charred raptor]

This is my first time reaching the top 100 so early, is it typical that the ranking level is currently Commodore?

[modern tree]

yea, this seems pretty normal

[outer stump]

Is there any way to counter amakaga meta?

[modern tree]

they kind of die to any other competent lineup

it depends on what you have available to you

[outer stump]

Well I want an example

Someone said about Washington and Dakota

Are much stronger than foxes

Now whit amagi not so sure

[modern tree]

I am playing wash and sodak with Ark and killing foxes just fine. I imagine taking it any bit more seriously will give you close to 100% winrate

[livid fractal]

wasd amagi is good too

[outer stump]

Well I've tried wasd and enty but enty takes a lot of damage

So I want to try 3 BB

Maybe hood instead of enty

But I need Juneau as I've heard

[modern tree]

Juneau will help you a whole lot, yeah

[outer stump]

Should I put Pearls Tears on her?

[modern tree]

also, Enterprise taking damage is sort of meaningless if she lives long enough to get aegis from sodak

and you very rarely would want pearl tears stacked on your juneau heal

[clear cloud]

should give pearls to others

[outer stump]

It happend to me so many times, I mean somehow they get enty half of her hp or let her under 30%

Idk why

Maybe I get some barracuda Torps or not so sure

[modern tree]

her health being low does not make her any worse at owarida

It might be a confirmation bias but when my ark is sitting at the bottom of the screen she gets wrecked really fast, but sitting at the top is just chilling

maybe it is just barracuda torp clusters