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#pvp
coral wren
i believe in his innocence, mods are asshats 
vague token
zenith tundra
@shy hazel what was ur score last season?
shy hazel
Oh i was at rank 54
I didnt care bout score dunno sry
Syndfell is my leftmost lol
I dont think hell do his rounds rn
zenith tundra
i was 61 so close enough i guess
ivory vine
just tell synd to do his pvp
he might not win tho cuz he doesnt give a shit about it at all tho
odd schooner
zenith tundra
1 gold barra away from maxed out 
zenith tundra
i wish i could.... the shop is literal trash and i'm sitting on 65k coins
modern tree
I wish I was sitting on 65k, I could finish all the retrofits
zenith tundra
i'm really slow on retros mostly because i don't really lvl up ships i don't care about
what will the vanguard be for qe hood doy?
native mantle
eventualy aurora, shbeffield and jesus?
pastel forge
I dont really have enough experience but bel jun + 1?
zenith tundra
doy is incoming so i really want an alternative to mirror amakaga.
native mantle
so aurora not worth it with her debuff?
zenith tundra
aurora is good for foxes and torp
bb can miss aim their shoot so no reason to use her
plus her stats are actually bad
modern tree
Aurora is not worth it if you are running Juneau because Juneau is a floating pile of scrap with a peashooter
so if you cut Juneau you might consider Aurora for HMS, but otherwise dont bother
because then you are running 2 skills attached to boats and Belfast
zenith tundra
guess it's time to marry qe... what a wasted ring
native mantle
stupid lolicons^^
zenith tundra
she's bad by herself
modern tree
QE is an adequate boat
zenith tundra
compared to ws hood doy monarch not really tbh
qe really needs a retro with at least a nagato barrage to be great
native mantle
at least she is great for her buff until centaur is live
zenith tundra
is ws retro barrage out yet?
clear cloud
7days so not yet
zenith tundra
how long does it take for that item?
clear cloud
7 days
zenith tundra
so like 2 more days?
clear cloud
Ya when spee event end
pastel forge
likely there is 1 week break before wc, also unlikely ws retro is included
zenith tundra
i would've prefer qe over ws as retro now that i think about it
modern tree
I have not ran a single boss past w7 without QE so she cant be this bad
zenith tundra
i'm not saying she's that bad just worse then other hms bbs. she definitely needs something else outside of her buff
clear cloud
Do she buff herself
zenith tundra
even with her buff she cannot snipe like ws/hood or have debuff like doy or deal lots of dmg like monarch
coral wren
maxed aff too?
elder crane
She boosts HMS stats significantly, but herself isn't anything special even with her buff applying to self
modern tree
she has like 60 more FP than Hood before her own buff
she's a boat
just not a flashy one
native mantle
WS retro? a washington retro?
gritty cove
Retrofit gimme nao
native mantle
like sandy event?
modern tree
yes
native mantle
so it could be after spee we got a other mini event with WS retro to fill the "waiting"?
hmm then i should eventualy level my lvl. 1 Warspite
modern tree
They are really stingy with retrofits, we waited like 6 months for Portland? It's hard to say when we will get Warspite
gritty cove
Atleast we got it before level creep kills 'em
native mantle
ah it sounded from the chatting before like we will get it after spee-event
modern tree
We got Spee instead of WS mini event, yeah, but I dont think it means WS event is due
they can do whatever they want
but honsetly, Warspite retro aside for a pretty significant stat boosts, doesn't fix her issues in pve
native mantle
just a theory, if that retro buff WS enough could she replace hood, dork or QE in the current HMS fleet?
modern tree
so she will probably remain a pvp meme
Warspite Monarch QE/Centaur is the HMS future we are looking at
native mantle
i assume before get monarch we use dork?
that looks like a HMS nagato just from the view.....
modern tree
Depends, but probably? Divine Marksman Kai makes Dork's damage amp pretty silly IF the shots actually land on the target reliably
We dont know
native mantle
and IIRC we use QE until we get centaur? but without QE isn't it then no HMS fleet anymore?
modern tree
Nobody got to play with it yet
I mean, the whole backline is HMS, how is that not an HMS fleet?
Again, dont know if Centaur is better than QE, she has a capacity to be because its Centaur
native mantle
ah i thought all that fleets are just so called cause of that "buff" flagship like zeppelin, nagato etc.
modern tree
I'd call wasd E USS if this was not confusing in the long run considering you can slap pretty much anything on wasd and run with it
native mantle
hmm with sandy kai, WS kai would then be the 2nd UR ship in the game. i hope we will get one of both retros soon
modern tree
She might be too fragile compared to QE to sit on flagship against Nagato, but that is like the only thing that would disincentivise it
you will always take it if she can live
gritty cove
Prob QE, monarch and warspite because of the targeting chance increase
modern tree
This is all a speculation, take it for what it is. The thing is that Monarchs barrage is so ridiculous that if all of her Hood gun shots go into the target hit by 2.3x damage divine marksman, you will be unlikely to need even more damage, therfore running centaur so you can slow the front and slay them with a gun on warspite before second divine marksman retargets it is probably better than QE buff. This is the end of speculation.
It's really dependent on how much damage Divine Marksman can really pump out and if Centaur can stay alive as flagship if Nagato procs barrage on first shot.
AP on BBs slays medium armour and you will almost always target medium armour with the combo. Both Monarch barrage and Divine Marksman are AP so with followup shots from Monarch it might not be a stretch to see a main fleet boat sunk at like 13-15 seconds
native mantle
that pvp comp spreadsheet is allready updatet or just a theopry cause there ya would take monarch OR ws-kai, but i assume like daxam said its just a theory for now
modern tree
Again, actually nobody has played with Warspite Kai yet, shes not out for another 27 hours I believe? We know only that it's a straight upgrade to Warspite at no oil cost so it might be cool. Everything else is guesswork
odd schooner
+40 
modern tree
only 39 for me
native mantle
ah i thought just some ppl don't ahzve her now and some other was able to test her allready
only 27 for me...
lofty smelt
Nobody doing matches for many extra points:(
modern tree
he waited for 15 hours
hot creek
I wonder whats the highest someone got by waiting and never doing their pvps
like, what if you got the #1 player in your lobby and just never battled until the final day lol
native mantle
or if ya could stack all tries with 14 days long 15 every day and then on the last day use all 210 at once^^
vague token
oh god that would be whacky at the end of season
lofty smelt
Looks like I'm not getting dank bonus points this season's start. Dang.
Oh wait. I'm apparently dumb. I just got 39 wtf. Person was only in 900s
modern tree
143 after 5 games, seems alright, not super lucky
stoic vector
how does Warspite kai do in jp
elder crane
Nobody has her yet, event is time-gated
Wait just over 1 more day before she comes out
Then a bit more for people to actually test her
stoic vector
ah thanks anyways
vague token
theoretically she blows 1 person up really well?
cause she marks the main fleet for the rest of hms
which is unfortunate that it doesnt work with planes
that would be neat
hot creek
if you're on Sandy, you can still place rank 1 with a missed/lost match 
elder crane
Nah, I hit rank 1 during the rush with 4(!) missed matches last season (Avrora)
Just wait until the Saturday/Sunday rushes, those are less competitive
I still think that the Saturday/Sunday midnight rush is the easiest, since a lot of people seem to be asleep
subtle whale
zenith tundra
should i do it or not?
nova storm
Why not though? ๐ Just do it
zenith tundra
i would really like an opinion on how good hms is later on
i know it has great ships but can u win with it against ijn bullshit?
nova storm
I think HMS is just good but not good enough in PVP.
I'm not really sure since I don't know the meta in other servers..
zenith tundra
i'm mostly interested in monarch meta tbh
and with doy incoming is a good time to start
nova storm
Good luck with making the decision then ๐ (Mine's already oathed btw)
zenith tundra
i would do it only because i'm done with amakaga aurora jintsuu and aya and need something else to farm
zenith tundra
from my understanding qe is better the more hms u use so maybe without her u can use torp memes or something
i already oathed her so doesn't matter now but hope doy makes hms pvp viable tbh
vague token
looking forward to doy for more debuffs =D
does her slow barrage like, cover the screen if she's mid?
or is she fine sides
zenith tundra
doy is amazing in pve too so definitely gonna oath her
hot creek
doy is hot. im considering oathing her for just that
vague token
true that
clear cloud
Monarch DoY Hood Warapite
So many good BB in HMS 
No place to put QE
outer stump
How is better? Wash dak and hood or enterprise?
clear cloud
I use enty
odd schooner
I use amagi
clear cloud
the problem I met is another enty
My backline timing always aligned with their enty skill proc
Maybe hood with fire control will not have that prblm
odd schooner
Hood fire control is a no no when facing enterprise
2nd barrage will always fall under E proc
outer stump
Can someone tell me what's the problem whit this comp? (Except of some vandguards)
Should I bring Jintsuu instead of Cleveland?
azure aurora
Change laffey with someone else
outer stump
My Ayansmi is 84 atm
azure aurora
Try raise juneau if you use BB main fleet
azure aurora
Use 2 dd and 1 juneau for vanguard if you battle amakaga
azure aurora
Yeah put her in back
outer stump
Idk I can use enterprise instead of hood but she gets even shit by foxes and amagi
azure aurora
Or mid
outer stump
Kinda hate that meta
Those are my ships tho
Idk... I'm getting pissed about switching equipment
But well I should've try
I see
Aurora still needs her Offensive skill
But idk I kinda have to switch between aircraft because I use enterprise at some clears and kinda pisses me off
But well it's a strong decision
Those should work on Amagi aren't they?
I mean the equipment
Oh yeah
clear cloud
Has anyone test chinaball against ijn?
hot creek
heh everyone always forgets about score thresholds.
leaden sequoia
I don't have Jintsuu, so Amakaga + Aya + Juneau + Aurora should also work, right?
coral wren
So there is a barrage for retro ws, but it doesnโt look broken if anything... was expecting smth really insane but it looks rather humble
But i do wonder how dispersion reduction will affect her aim
coral wren
Hm, rn i have a feeling that chance of focusing the same ship might be the key
I just winder how big of a chance it is
You potentially could swap qe for doy i guess?
coral wren
Rip
lofty smelt
I could still do it obv, but it requires not forgetting matches and being somewhat careful 
Not about that atm
coral wren
ws and 2 other bbs should be able to take down nagato with a focus fire in 1 round of salvo, right?
ws wont touch nagato cause she is always flagship
sacred crow
Little question: normally if you don't play PvP after 1 refill you have 5 tries. And after another refill you should have 10 right?
coral wren
Mm, yeah, right..
lofty smelt
@sacred crow Yes, but it won't update unless you log/reopen game
coral wren
Then it's either amagi or taihou/hiryuu
sacred crow
@lofty smelt ahh alright I'll check it out again
coral wren
Well, i guess there is a potential to put ijn abomination in it's grave with the help of ws, i just wonder what third bb would be the best to complete the setup
coral wren
Mama monarch or
implying hms would stay relevant without her
I don't think you will replace her ever when we get research
odd schooner
Replace QE with KGV 
modern tree
Its gonna be either QE or Centaur. Dork is alright, but shes no Centaur
modern tree
Which is why Centaur is better when ran with 2 BBs
odd schooner
I was hoping we got WC so early so i can ring her on a special day
modern tree
Ther's also the general issue of HMS having sub 200 AA stat on all their boats
modern tree
which Centaur kind of patches up with double fighter
coral wren
Hm, do you think ws+monarch+ce will be backline and not ws+2bbs?
when ws retro hits live
modern tree
I will just samelessly copy paste the thing I said before on this topic.
This is all a speculation, take it for what it is. The thing is that Monarchs barrage is so ridiculous that if all of her Hood gun shots go into the target hit by 2.3x damage Divine Marksman, you will be unlikely to need even more damage, therfore running Centaur so you can slow the front and slay them with a gun on Warspite before second divine marksman retargets it is probably better than QE buff. This is the end of speculation.
It's really dependent on how much damage Divine Marksman can really pump out and if Centaur can stay alive as flagship if Nagato procs barrage on first shot.
AP on BBs slays medium armour and you will almost always target medium armour with the combo. Both Monarch barrage and Divine Marksman are AP so with followup shots from Monarch it might not be a stretch to see a main fleet boat sunk at like 13-15 seconds
Big damage numbers
odd schooner
A lot of time to wait for monarch full potential
Also she thicc
And VA is 
Did I mention she's thicc
modern tree
I personally do not think that Dork is necesary in this setup, and if you end up needing more guns, you would run QE insted because 15% stat boost on everything for whole fleet will easily outweight what Dork can bring to the table. We will see soon enough, about 14 hours left
odd schooner
Some ppl said dork skill is guaranteed but unreliable
Let's just test it ourselves soon
hot creek
PR comes out ill probably do the quests for Neptune to unlock her asap and then halt development and then focus on Monarch
modern tree
Dork is probably great when bossing but her barrage is rather fucking dinky for pvp purposes
odd schooner
The biggest gate on pr is probably the blueprints
I wonder how often will bb hit the marked target
Hope someone would try to tell
modern tree
Even if the chance is 1/3 then the skill is stupid good, any higher than that and you will see backliners dying in sequence, one by one, with no real chance to shoot back
coral wren
Hm, i see.. also, in this regard in order to surpass namagi you need your hms to live long enough when second divine marksman procs and then rip nagato?
And ye, i was considering 3rd bb only in case if monarch+ws crossfire won't be enough to sink the bitch
modern tree
I dont think surviving will be the problem because Monarch will be the one tanking the fast Amagi barrage and then killing her in return, Nagato should not be able to one shot your flagship but if she does you just change it to something heavier. It is really all about how much damage can this lineup reliably put out vs Amagi stupid skills. First Divine Marksman is at 10 seconds, second is at 25, if you can sink the ship hit by the first one, the one with a large damage buff on it, it should be rather easy to just sink everything else since Namagi shouldnt have enough power to just wipe your VG this fast.
subtle whale
im gonna get saint louis first
modern tree
But hey, you can always miss both projectiles from Divine Marksman because its still Warspite (resetting at 10 seconds is probably not an issue but still)
subtle whale
her design is really nice
coral wren
They still should release the king george bb ๐
subtle whale
coral wren
Hm, now when i think about it, research ssytem gives you ships that existed only in blueprints, right? But monarch actually was build
modern tree
Monarch was never finished afaik
not before war was over?
Pretty sure the King George class Monarch that we have in game was never actually finished because of a treaty and you might be thinking of Orion class that was used in ww1
coral wren
oh fuck me
And i kinda connected dots, assuming she hated hms for being used as a training ship
as orion class monarch has been
lunar veldt
Well in just a few more hours
coral wren
Is roon made up tho?
lunar veldt
We will be able to test warspite kai
coral wren
I know there was a roon from ww1
modern tree
in like 12 hours
glacial spire
lunar veldt
Just a few more hours
coral wren
and prinz
odd schooner
timber plinth
prinz retrofit
more moles
modern tree
In all fairness, Starter Kais make pretty much any gold quality DD seem overpriced for what they do so Poi while functional, is a rather whatever boat. Eugens stats are so bad that even Kai might not help her.
and yostar seems rather content with not putting much power at all into KMS anyways so give up your hopes
coral wren
no one mole is enough, more moles = imperfection
timber plinth
coral wren
of all kms ships only tirpitz is somewhat ok i guess
I feel like zepp would also, but her planes are just yikes
modern tree
Zepp is a pretty damn tanky boat, with her stats and the buff affecting herself. KMS as a whole is totally useable, just struggles to find a niche because you can pretty much always find other boats that do the things they do better, except for Tirpitz and Roon
modern tree
z vg is amazing pve, you can also use Liepzig with the CAs, its ~okay~
coral wren
boosted by starter dd's retrofit
odd schooner
I think torp ships will shine brighter than gunboats on w11
Idk
Someone said w11 is full of shields
modern tree
Can use Spee or GERMANY with their extra special guns that shoot over shields, its probably funny, but not great
odd schooner
German technology
Ah. I lost my jojo pic
But ye i prep some extra quad mag so i won't bother removing torp on my def fleet
coral wren
What a shame kms isn't on the same level with other factions
odd schooner
Someone i know farmed 45 prints lmao
Lucksacc
I did 30 because I'm lost on what to farm
And pvp is moving slow on day 1
Glad didn't hit a +0 gain so far
zenith tundra
lucky u my 1st day was actual trash as gain
i'd rather be 4k all season and top 10 end tbh
so i'm at 310 with 8/10 how are u guys doing?
i need to use 3 attempts before i go to bed so i'm fucked tbh
i don't like juneau at all i have her lvl max but not gonna oath her
coral wren
you marry her and during honeymoon her 5 brothers ram your ass all at once
shy hazel
i finished spee event
0 prints
probably because i din gib a f about boss ranks
and always got A
zenith tundra
just finished it as well and got 5/15bps
hot creek
same, i got five out of it
zenith tundra
also managed to luck out and got 2bps from an a rank
hot creek
im also same score as you 310 with 8/10 lol
shy hazel
wow u always the same
zenith tundra
eh i guess it could be worse for me
shy hazel
as usual im bad at getting bonuses
guess aotn out this season
cos i lost 1 charge
reee
zenith tundra
i got it with 1 loss and 4 wasted attempts last season. it's not that hard as long as u manage to rush it
shy hazel
i got aotn without rushing last season with wasde team
though i needed to stay midnight
no thats actually dawn
just got jintsu now lvl 70
๐
got everything else about ijn shenanigans
zenith tundra
i'm talking form behind in attempts not when u don't suck at remembering about ur attempts
shy hazel
im not getting bonuses again
gotta sleep soon
after i wake up a reset is in so
need to waste 2 charges without bonuses
zenith tundra
i have 3 attempts and the only thing i can do is fuck up my sleep for a trash bonus
pastel forge
I actually got 9 bps from 21 sp3 lol, if only I can reallocate this luck...
zenith tundra
i'm not even sure if i want to bother with sp3 anymore for bps
if it dropped t3 plates i would farm it all day
but without those it feels so bad to run it
shy hazel
cant u get quad magtorps from german boxes
zenith tundra
i lucked out and got 1 right before this event
zenith tundra
i got a quint durring oc event
but yeah it's way too slow for pvp
even the rainbow one feels kind of bad tbh
i put the rainbow on my jintsuu so i'm sure i can fire another wave
shy hazel
i got one of each so lol
thinking
maybe i use rainbow on jintsuu too
then quint or quad for ayanami
zenith tundra
quad on aya goes off before her demon dance it's so nice
lunar veldt
hot creek
Pog
modern tree
But have you leveled her to 120
zenith tundra
i don't like at all ws dress after retro
hot creek
Do you have to relevel Divine Marksman?
native mantle
she looks like a HMS nagato jsut from the view
lunar veldt
No @hot creek it carry over
hot creek
noice
zenith tundra
still no barrage gif on cn wiki
modern tree
its the same barrage
zenith tundra
well what a let down
clear cloud
Does her barrage change?
zenith tundra
from what daxam said it's the same
thorny bramble
Do i do helena aurora ayaya or cleve aurora ayaya
If i dont have jintsuu
Also what slot does aurora go into
zenith tundra
if u can synergize something with helena she would be better for pvp
thorny bramble
Okie
zenith tundra
what's ur main fleet btw
thorny bramble
Amakaga lol
zenith tundra
ofc
thorny bramble
Lub my ijn botes
zenith tundra
helena is bad with that tbh
if ur using cleveland aurora aya then cleveland should be tank aya middle and aurora off tank
the only reason i would use helena tbh would be enty
but it's too slow in current meta
odd schooner
modern tree
What do you mean by too slow?
lunar veldt
clear cloud
4.7k ouch
odd schooner
WHAT
modern tree
Yes, damage
hot creek
im wet
lunar veldt
That's at lvl 115
zenith tundra
the actual hell is that damage
zenith tundra
now i think that it might be overkill tbh
lunar veldt
Unless she misses
zenith tundra
that makes other ships mg attacking an already dead ship pretty pointless
coral wren
Sodak has 2x but doesnโt delete ppl
modern tree
sodak doesnt auto crit and also doesnt have AP vs Medium armour
but yeah, with 10k ish damage opener vs 14k health amagi, Monarch should be able to clean up rather easily
coral wren
Itโs ok i think, the real aww shiet is focused fire
modern tree
Focused fire is just so Monarch mgms kill the target if her barrage doesnt
you then lose focus because target is dead
coral wren
Ohh, i thought focused fire applies to bbs only
Is it safe to say rip namagi abomination press s to spit?
But prob needs more testing
modern tree
Centaur will allow super accurate main gun shots from Warspite just wipe the front at like 20ish
zenith tundra
new meta will be full evasion gear on amagi lol
modern tree
then you get another Divine Marksman to keep clearing the back
hot creek
EN gonna take a billion years to get WS kai.
modern tree
probably
coral wren
Yeah..
Why canโt we have nice things too
Oh yeah, because of some turtles who canโt keep up wih the accelerated events
zenith tundra
well we're wasting 2 weeks for cny event with almost 0 good ships and light build hell
i'm wasting oil on 10hrs commissions
stoic vector
wait so warspite kai is good?
what backline should we use once it gets to en
lunar veldt
QE
Monarch/centaur/WS kai
Should do the a better job
Either that or monarch/WS Kai/DoY
coral wren
Her second skill feels like a placebo buff
lunar veldt
U can nuke a enterprise before orwari da
stoic vector
wait now ws one shots enty so enty has to go in middle in jp now?
lunar veldt
No
She still needs monarch or whoever on that lane to proc their barrage or fire their gun
Still needs more testing
stoic vector
so rip qe?
coral wren
Donโt think 15% to your second armaments will do anything, but ok, she got her magnum opus and itโs good
lunar veldt
Cuz her second skill increases FP
modern tree
missing 12% FP from the yellow skill atm is probably going to matter a bit
lunar veldt
15% is on for the entire ship no?
zenith tundra
lunar veldt
Not second armaments
coral wren
Well, if she hits dd with salvo she will prob delete it anyway, so
zenith tundra
omg that's actually insane how freaking tanky she is tho
coral wren
Max hit for ws here we goooo
modern tree
Thats some wimpy ass team
coral wren
what are the lvs, is there a lv difference?
modern tree
From #al-general
zenith tundra
we don't know level differences if any
but from 2.8k to 5.6k there must be some
also nice nanoda on hms fleet
pastel forge
I dont really hms but it sometimes miss right?
zenith tundra
2nd video is lvl 120 vs ? 1st ? vs ?
modern tree
Right now the Divine Marksman misses, no idea if it does post kai
coral wren
extra
Did she have it before kai?
lunar veldt
Or aa staag with White shell/ FRC or SG if u are worried about missing
White shell is definitely a must
coral wren
ws is 120 in that video
he pauses in the end
and oathed
The first one probably as well
zenith tundra
ok ws dmg is 5k lol
zenith tundra
it's actually retarded
coral wren
fight cancer with cancer, fair and square
zenith tundra
the 2nd skill for ws seems really useful for her ap skill. the spread is so much
coral wren
now when hms got it's trump card i really want kms to get one as well
modern tree
coral wren
What hits live stays this way? Did they hot fix any recent things?
odd schooner
coral wren
anything related to game balance
zenith tundra
there have been some changes in the past but not sure about recent ones
i don't expect any change to ws. she's gonna to be broken forever
modern tree
I doubt they will change Warspite just because she blows up shit in pvp with attacker advantage. Shes still gonna be whatever pve
coral wren
well, they didn't fix hiryuu 15 seconds invul so, why would they fix that..
Yeah, that's kinda funny, they pushed her pvp far ahead but pve vice she is still meh
zenith tundra
ws is a pvp ship with or without kai
modern tree
besides, giving people non event pvp lineup is great
hot creek
still needs event item m8
modern tree
wait, thats right
coral wren
what item?
zenith tundra
for modernization u need and event item
modern tree
UR retros need an item from mini event
coral wren
aaahh
modern tree
I am just dumb/sick
zenith tundra
she's also great for pve and pvp
that 230% dmg is so unbalanced tbh
like how does literally way too much damage compared to normal barrage
hot creek
should increase it to 250%
zenith tundra
pretty much that alone makes ws retarded not to mention the ur stats
modern tree
Cry me a river, fox abuser
coral wren
The only thing that scares me if meta will just shift from one mirror to another, so when en actually gets it it will be just hms vs hms instead of ijn vs ijn all over
modern tree
welcome to HMS town
zenith tundra
ws on offense way too broken
hot creek
Rule, Britannia! Britannia, rule the waves!
zenith tundra
u can just put sd or hiryuu on her and soak all dmg
coral wren
Eeh, but does it matter if whatever she touches will die?
and then it's just a matter of time when she kills youre entire backline
finite valve
hms mirror = atk always win since you can just snip their WS first also not to mention +20%
coral wren
y, i guess hiryuu would be a good option to win some time
zenith tundra
10 sec (ws barrage) to 25 sec (hiryuu dies) all hms bb hits an invincible target and do 0 dmg to everything else
same with sd u can just have her soak all damage with invincibility
finite valve
you can just position so that you don't snip the bunny first
zenith tundra
hms defense is a meme with ws kai
finite valve
with WS kai def team in pvp is just useless
since it just going to turn into a 2 v 3
zenith tundra
yeah
sd is a good tank she won't die to ws barrage
most likely to bb mgs which will make a lot of mg attacks pointless
ws offense is on another tier of broken compared to anything else
lunar veldt
its a hit or miss skill
finite valve
is there anyway to counter her on def?
coral wren
you should be glad ๐ the future is so bright, you won't be tolerating namagi turtling much
finite valve
seem to me that it is 0 way to do it
zenith tundra
ws makes def useless as amakaga torp vanguard makes def useless on en
coral wren
Watching ppl going against namagi is like watching old men fuck
zenith tundra
maybe even more
coral wren
is there anyway to counter her on def?
Zackfairx already mentioned hiryuu kai
finite valve
eh no lol
zenith tundra
guess i'll go back to lvl 1 def fleet from now because there is no point in def fleet
finite valve
since you can position WS so that she don't hit hiryuu
hot creek
I still think it should be 250%.
lunar veldt
coral wren
i think in ww2 scout planes were everywhere
wouldn't be surprised if my granny had one in her bag
lunar veldt
yeah she can
zenith tundra
the wiki shay it should be a cvl only
foggy token
special feature for warspite
warspite kai allows her first aux slot to equip asw plane
she also got asw stat
lunar veldt
coral wren
Oi mate, imma glassing ya buttocks
Ws is gonna unleash holy retribution upon any boat you've ever hated in this game
run, big e
run and don't turn back
vague token
i kinda feel like the target part of the skill should have been on QE xD
where she leads the hms, and then expand to carriers too ;)))
hms aim torp meta jk
lunar veldt
QE is a queen
hot creek
nah. QE is just a cheer leader. WS got them tactics down.
lunar veldt
hence she lets her subjects do her shit
hence her cheerleader skill
and actually does nth
lunar veldt
lazy old queen
vague token
oof
real notch
take in how ws fires at 10 sec
coral wren
qe barely participated in war, screw her
vague token
20+ second carriers seem even more pointless since ws can just target paint them for the hms fleet and delete their existence
lunar veldt
or she can just miss
vague token
does the target painting part need a hit?
or just it just choose whether the shot hits or not
modern tree
Target thing appears before the shells hit so I imagine its not dependent on the shells
vague token
i figured
when i read the skill that's what it sounded like xD
rip enterprise or literally any medium armor that takes 20+ seconds to do something
real notch
no the target painting probably means the other BBs may aim for it as well
doesn't it?
lunar veldt
will aim*
vague token
it "increases the odds" or something
so assuming most bbs/bcs shoot under 20 at that point
coral wren
Royal Navy ships' auto aim will have an increased chance of targeting the ship damaged by this barrage
modern tree
it seems like about half of the shots fired after the Divine Marksman gointo whatever it targeted, but it will probably require more science to narrow down the percentage
coral wren
translation error or
lunar veldt
who cares just point another BB at that lane
lunar veldt
u cant eva all that
unless u owari da
but thats what
above 20 secs
no ship can withstand the first barrage
follow that with another barrage proc or normal barrage is guaranteed death
unless ure name is hiryuu u are fuck
coral wren
I wanna see ark royal air strike under ws command
modern tree
vs Hiryuu the shell redirecting thing might be purely detrimental because all this damage sunk on nothing for 15 seconds is gonna hurt, which is why HMS on defense will still be a meme
coral wren
10 seconds win hms style
native mantle
why HMS style?
coral wren
because ws belongs to hms fleet?
native mantle
ahh cause she snipes key ships like enty after 10 seconds?
coral wren
ye
and when she does that you may go get a cup of coffee, while waiting for her to finish the rest ๐
native mantle
but wada ya do if it comes to ws-kai vs ws-kai and both oneshots the other?^^
coral wren
mirror mirror on the wall, who's the strongest of them all
native mantle
but couldn't ya just protect ya strongest backliner with add them as flagship? cause ws sniped the furthest and that would be everytime the bot or top backline
coral wren
Ye, sure thing unless you forgot to swap ๐
I actually expect ppl to start putting bullins on def soon
what a great idea
coral wren
at this point it's just fucking useless, granny will kick ya ass no matter what
no big time wasted, no nothing
vague token
man, im really enjoying hiryuu/amagi/hood main fleet
even if it's super jank
hiryuu as lead just soaks so much damage up with no requirements
leaden sequoia
From Hiryuu Wiki: Simultaneously, launches an additional airstrike (emphasis mine)
so I assume it's a real airstrike with whatever you equipped her
native mantle
btw if we compare akagami IJN fleet atm with the current HMS fleet. both are "equal"?
modern tree
what do you mean?
native mantle
it was said that WASD atm is the "meta" so i was curious if current akagami and HMS are equal so for example in 10 tries both win all fights or any of them lost X fights
modern tree
You can win any matchup with any fleet, HMS will struggle the most but everyone runs torps instead of stall so you win because of that. I dont think EN has a very defined meta, but Amakaga is definetly the most popular, followed by wasd, and HMS being defense meme as they always were
modern tree
Hood QE Warspite, Juneau Belfast Leander
yes, Juneau up front, healing your back is not the priority here, your front surviving till second strike is a win condition and also Leander makes Torps a non threat to Juneau
Reloader and gold FCR are a bonus that lets you cut Hood barrage timing low enough to 2x barrage a fox and win the matchup by default
wasd enterprise dies like it always did, wasd amagi is basically the same deal, you just outslug them because warspite damage
ionic magnet
i see. dont think ive seen any full hms last season at all
its all amakaga or wasde or a mix of those
modern tree
I can tell you why nobody plays HMS. I took about 4 hours to create and test this comp. It's work and why do it if you can just ape everyone else you see in your exercises
native mantle
WTF the pedobear strikes again
modern tree
I'd wager pretty much every server outside of Wash has vast majority of players holding to either Wash or Amagi and either creates a comp with barely any investement
Wash must be hell tho, only Amagi
ionic magnet
oh ive used it before so i know the pain
coral wren
wash is useless against amagi anyway so its all amakaga mirrors
ionic magnet
amagi is a godsend cos i missed wash event
modern tree
both wasd e and wasd amagi beat amakaga decisively
modern tree
You start your exercise with your lovely wash south dacota and a wildcard trio
you win the game
ionic magnet
coral wren
cus on washington the highest I met was 13.5k and 12.5k something vanguard
ionic magnet
im using a hybrid team rn so cant say
coral wren
and I dont change my position on my amagi so its straight up shooting at sodak and its abit slower to win but its guranteed win
ionic magnet
my hardest fights are all against amakaga with juneau tho
native mantle
<--amagakaga+aya+port-kai+belfast/jun
modern tree
Even this wins against amakaga on offense, I dont know what to tell you
coral wren
oh offense
well thats it.
it dosnt matter what u use on offense
u get 20*% buff u will win
modern tree
lets just all be nihilists then
ionic magnet
velvet fossil
Time to delete this channel
coral wren
yeah. wasd e on defense is slightly stronger than amakaga
ionic magnet
so nothing matters lol
coral wren
its much more sturdier
modern tree
With everyone suddenly retiring their Eldridge, you can probably set up E Helena defense fleet and make people mad
modern tree
use both, its suicide wasd
modern tree
yeah, but you have helena E
coral wren
does helena E one shot amakaga?
coral wren
I would actually try it if they can one shot amakaga
modern tree
Sodak tanks second fox strike with Aegis so unless you proc her on first strike, you are not sinking the backline
I mean, its defense, you hedge your bets
if your win condition is rng helena into lucky e and wash barrage
you make it happen
ivory vine
or you dont
modern tree
of it doesnt, its suicide wasd
ivory vine
but you'll never know
modern tree
or you can just be a normal person and not min max defensive fleets because if you wanted to do that you'd play something bizzare as fucki like foxes enterprise with juneau leander belfast
which is again, something probably nobody saw in their lives since the event
native mantle
i will try HMS after i leveled my warspite high enough^^
modern tree
Enjoy the grind
ionic magnet
i fought against that team before (foxes e)
its pretty good tbh
on par with amakaga teams imo
if not better
modern tree
triple carrier is super scary before the stat inflation of lvl 120, obviously if their front sinks they kind of lose, but tell that to Enterprise
odd schooner
ionic magnet
its just a shame how very few people uses the right vanguards with them
no juneau no leander not even belfast sometimes
so foxes just die fast
maybe
id love to see more of them tho
odd schooner
There's always donald trump 
ionic magnet
real notch
welp, provided amakaga fleet torps land and amagi procs
not even the 20% attack boost will save you at times
coral wren
i hate this shit, dude
fading wolf
Does amagi count herself towards 4 IJN ships in her barrage skill? Or does the comp have to have 4 other IJN ships?
ionic magnet
yes shes counted so she only needs 3 more ijns
fading wolf
Sweet, can put bel & eldridche then into team
coral wren
how about 2 foxAss and a jintsuu?
coral wren
๐
fading wolf
I was also wondering, aya dies fast af, so I'm not sure if its the eq orrrr
ionic magnet
oh you better replace camouflage into toolkit
she gets more eHP that way
as evasion gets diminishing returns
fading wolf
Will do so then, as for aa torp, gun, that's good?
ionic magnet
i prefer the blue 76mm but that gold gun works too
rainbow torp if possible
for AA gun, ufo or bofors is what peeps prefer but that works too if you have no reserves
she has low aa efficiency anyways so it dont matter much
fading wolf
Got no rainbow torps, as for bofors, can swap out, of 2nd fleet
ionic magnet
i see. thats fine then
ionic magnet
shes just much squishier cos youre using oxytorps
shy hazel
Aya will be squish regardless
ionic magnet
just live with that
fading wolf
Pretty sure I did, just didn't do much, since work
Would be helpful if u guys took a look for rest of eq on the fleet, though don't want to force myself onto anyone
fading wolf
F
coral wren
ok, got jintsuu, now back to 113mm mines...
fading wolf
As far as I know, only need golden belgun for akagi
ionic magnet
for amagi, i prefer sg radar plus beaver tag
and yea gold belgun
some put gold fcr but def not toolkits on bbs
fading wolf
Have +6 127 on hood so gotta swap that
fading wolf
Don't hsve beaver nor gold sg radars, but got that high standard one from event so could put that on ๐ค
ionic magnet
purple radars can be subs til you get gold i guess
fading wolf
And what's the gold fcr?
ionic magnet
thats the high standard thingy
fading wolf
Ah
ionic magnet
fading wolf
๐ค
ionic magnet
yes that looks better
fading wolf
Any possible ship that could be later on replacement for anyone in the comp? Saw something bout jintus?
Kaga akagi amagi eldri aya bel
She drops from 10-4?
She was op at start, not sure about now
Or so I think
pastel forge
almost missed an attempt, few seconds away from early season salt lol
modest osprey
This will last for a few minutes.
pastel forge
I'd switch eld for juneau if you have her
pastel forge
such is the life of jesus
modest osprey
Eldridge usually triggers intangibility during energy battleship barrages when I use her in my lineup.
Never experienced that
fading wolf
opening torps are the reason why my aya is at 10% hp in first 5 sec of exercise
ionic magnet
i really like juneau with amakaga
pastel forge
ye, after certain time if you keep climbing you'll see almost nothing but amakaga, which is really good vs eld.
ionic magnet
im using amagi hood ent
ionic magnet
well my front is really all meta so
pastel forge
when Sendai arrives I'd probably switch back to ijns front
fading wolf
whats the most meta comp atm ๐ค
coral wren
Which is weird since wasd and amagi should slap that shit
fading wolf
ima check if i actually got aurora, i might do but not sure ...
pretty sure i dont, but ยฏ_(ใ)_/ยฏ
can u still drop aurora? or was she event
yeah
id have to level her too, so no point atm
in any case, ty for help guys 
pastel forge
wasdA isn't as popular cause they generally win slower. I hope meta stays tho, rather face amakagas rather than bunch of wasdA
fading wolf
has no clue what wasdA is
pastel forge
wasd amagi
clear cloud
Wasd e lul
stable panther
Wasdak is great when I face carrier heavy enemy
tawdry gate
Hey guys, what's the cookie cutter pvp lineup now?
topaz beacon
amagi washing soda
tawdry gate
Frontline?
topaz beacon
im making a silly joke dont mine me 
but generic pvp team now is like akagamagi with jintsuu aurora filler frontline
tawdry gate
is that bb kaga?
dull hollow
warspacito2
topaz beacon
nobody will use kaga bb in pvp
dull hollow
my warspite is levle 105 btw 
tawdry gate
So standard carrier Kaga?
topaz beacon
yes
tawdry gate
Is the china ball combo good for pvp? XD
zenith tundra
this for easy wins
zenith tundra
aurora yes
tawdry gate
Hmm no substite for her?
zenith tundra
sirius to a degree / sendai (but not yet available)
sharp obsidian
So... HMS top tier again with new Warspite?
zenith tundra
ws kai just 1 shoots an opponent ship
best offensive ship for pvp
u can also use fubuki/kagerou for even more torp damage instead of aurora
tawdry gate
Hmm I don't think I have Sirius also. I do have juneau and Kagero at 100 tho
zenith tundra
sirius is coming in wc
pastel forge
use jun or bel imo
tawdry gate
Ah IC
zenith tundra
belfast is a good choice for anti amakaga plus she has good torp for jintsuu buff
zenith tundra
gold quad is best for aya
pastel forge
rainbow quint
zenith tundra
homing ofc
tawdry gate
HMm ok, I think I'll go bel Aya and JIntsuu. Have to get my costume worth
Thanks2 guys
dull hollow
please dont use aya in pvp
rugged harbor
hmmm when owarida doesnt proc twice for enemy team in ente 1v1 
zenith tundra
gold quad is always best choice for pvp other then raibow quint but rainbow quint is better on ships with lower torp stat and that can last longher to shoot 2nd wave. aya is quite squishy so i would prefer the quad on her
pastel forge
rainbow is good on Aya cause you mostly rely on her opening Torp not consequence torp
zenith tundra
u need to kill main fleets not vanguard that dies by akaga airstrike
pastel forge
and rainbow torp = highest dmg on opening overall
zenith tundra
aya is never opener as 1st ship to shoot either way
pastel forge
doesn't matter the position
zenith tundra
i find that mostly of the time only 1st ship actually hits opponent vanguard unless really lucky and again u need to kill main fleet not a vanguard that is dead by 15 sec mark
pastel forge
I'm not sure what your point is tbh , torp can also hits backline even with vg alive
zenith tundra
the point is that against 3 bb they'll kill ur vanguard pretty easily with 2ndaries
standing there waiting for torp while u get rekt by bb is not a good strat
pastel forge
how's that related to prev discussion tho, if anything it highlights the importance of opening torps
dull hollow
more reasons to not run ayakai
unless ur playing suicide FW I guess
zenith tundra
aya does more damage then anything against 3 bb comps tbh
also suicide fw is not an en thing yet because we don't have oxy torp for more then 1 ship so u end up using defensive setup instead which make some ships like jintsuu last a lot
dull hollow
you should never be relying on your front to deal damage though
and suicide FW is a thing, just not optimal yet
several people here already played it
with good success
zenith tundra
i'm just objecting on the definition of suicide fw not that u cannot use it. for it to be that u just put on oxy torp for days and kill everything instantly and that u cannot do on en because of lack of equip
dull hollow
lol even with jintsuu sendai and 4 oxytorps
u do very little damage
with opening torps
yeah like sometimes u roll a god pattern
and crit backliner for 60% of hp
but most of the time u do like
20% frontline HP
and that's it
ionic magnet
what does FW stand for btw
dull hollow
then ur die and let FW play itself out
pastel forge
wasd
ionic magnet
oh kk
dull hollow
idrk if FW suicide will remain viable in EN
you guys will skip straight past nakaga because you got amagi early
and FW suicide is really only viable vs akaga based comps
vs anything else
it's pretty awful
because well, FW itself is pretty awful
sodak just happens to be good at embarassing akaga
vague token
or you can use hiryuu xD
dear god that skill is good and the double strike murders defense amakaga
cause lol aa
dull hollow
also depends on how fast EN gets warspacito 2
zenith tundra
non kai hiryuu is so slow tbh without the extra aviation skill
zenith tundra
i tried her and she just insta dies on offense because of low hp
zenith tundra
pvp def fleets are memes only