pvp

[coral wren]

If u gonna oath a ship only for pvp. Just go for amagi. She is good in both worlds

[modern tree]

on FW

[finite valve]

i never oath pvp ship

wasted of gem / ring

[coral wren]

My juneau is oathed

[maiden agate]

Enty + FW still work vs amakaga just fine

[modern tree]

FW has a notoriously low damage which requires you to do one of the following:

Outtank the opponent or force a VG kill and gun them down

Amagi does both, sorta

because you can suicide a IJN frontline that is basically done after torps

and then outtank

[maiden agate]

amagi out tank who?

she dies to planes so fast

[modern tree]

She does?

[maiden agate]

yes

[gritty cove]

Jintsuu and portland pretty much tank the same amount

[maiden agate]

Even when I use her with NC and Washy or SD + Washy

[modern tree]

My amagi tanks 3 Enterprise procs when ran with wasd, wating for enterprise to graciously let me kill her

[maiden agate]

and not in flagship

Nah enty is not the problem

the problem is suicide planes from foxes

[modern tree]

Then Foxes shouldnt be either

because Sodak tanks them for you

[coral wren]

Enty should be dead before she can throw 3 damn planes wtf

[maiden agate]

Thats how it should be

[coral wren]

Or even one airstrike

[maiden agate]

but if my Enty can survive 2 foxes longer than amagi does...

[coral wren]

Ur enty has thicc hide

Alot of bdsm i see

[modern tree]

This never lost to foxes yet

[coral wren]

Is that a takao lul

[modern tree]

yes!

[maiden agate]

Why though

[zenith tundra]

finally i can stop using her

[coral wren]

For amagis barrage ofc

[modern tree]

because she is there to RNG damage and die

[maiden agate]

Even Kagerou could be better

[modern tree]

Then use Kagerou

I use Taco

because she works exactly how I want her to

shoot torps, shoot big gun

sink on first fox strike

[maiden agate]

Did anyone tried Port Kai

[modern tree]

everything like clockwork

[odd schooner]

Ok my friend is kind enough to fo this. Time to test it out

[finite valve]

all those oni chichi

someone is into kinky shit i see

[zenith tundra]

what rank is sumire?

[odd schooner]

23

[zenith tundra]

i'm 39 maybe i can fish for him

[modern tree]

it says 23

in the corner

[zenith tundra]

i'm blind i guess lol

not lucky at all

[coral wren]

Man of culture.

Btw can one person be on multiple persons left most enemy?

[finite valve]

don't see why not

[gritty cove]

Aurora or Belf on def

[zenith tundra]

aurora is bad for non foxes tbh

[finite valve]

def just use belfap

since 99% of the time you going to be vs foxes

[gritty cove]

Mostly trying to get the torps off, but june prob dies too fast

[odd schooner]

Ayt

10 matches

[gritty cove]

If I could just fill my backline with gold radars

[odd schooner]

I only did less than 40s on 2 matches the rest were past 45s

[coral wren]

so is the jintsuu hell worth going for?

[gritty cove]

Yes

[coral wren]

what alternatives do i have though

south dakota/washington, amagi/foxes, what else? only these 2?

[gritty cove]

@odd schooner How long did his vanguard survive

[odd schooner]

She definitely lives on first airstrike

@gritty cove 35 tops just on 2nd airstrike

[gritty cove]

I just think that jintsuu's dmg reduction along with light armor does the same job

[odd schooner]

Picture on orange map was probably the highest dmg I've ever dealt

There were a lot of matches that ended past 45s

That's uhh beaver buldge portkai with 200 affection

From what i can tell, port can definitely stall/10

[maiden agate]

Beaver Bulge

[coral wren]

in this meta, does enterprise have a place or not?

[modern tree]

yes

Enterprise is still the best crutch ship in the game

[coral wren]

in what fleet?

[modern tree]

any

[coral wren]

well, it can't go in foxes, can you use her in wasd? where else?

[modern tree]

It can and does go well with foxes, it does well in wasd, it does okay as a standin in hms

its Enterprise

[coral wren]

well, i'm trying to play an ok-ish fleet but idk what to run

got most of the stuff, only missing jintsuu retrofit atm

[modern tree]

Pick something and I can help you tweak it if necesary

[coral wren]

well, would it be easier to post pics of vanguard/backline?

[modern tree]

I feel bad for telling people what to do

[coral wren]

nah you shouldn't

it's easier to follow ideas that way io

imo*

[maiden agate]

Enterprise can just go anywhere in PvP and be good

[coral wren]

a sec, gotta grab the phone

[modern tree]

wasd E is still one of the most effective ways to play the pvp, its just kinda slow and boring

[coral wren]

idc as long as it wins, i play pvp on the run anyway

[maiden agate]

I prefer that style tbh

[modern tree]

Enterprise with foxes is less boring and about as effective if you have Aurora

[maiden agate]

make for more interesting "comebacks"

plus, soda always give time to reset

just in case

[coral wren]

Here

also got aurora at lv78 or so

oh god what are u using on ur foxes. why are they so low

[modern tree]

You can honestly put together about anything you want from all of this

[coral wren]

their weapons aren't +10

this is animal abuse

for example, akagi's catapults are both +4

kaga's are purple +8 both

amagi's sg radar is +4 only

i know, abomination

neglecting foxes

[modern tree]

useoiltanks

[coral wren]

well i pampered enterprise more

she's at 4.3k

[modern tree]

tbh, having 2 sets of maxed planes with catas and oil tanks is pretty useless in pve so I feel it

[lofty smelt]

Enty at 4.3k wat

Is that bis?

[modern tree]

you should honestly focus on "what I have equipment for" at this moment

because gear is sort of more important than comps

[coral wren]

yeah best in slot + ring

gold barracuda, gold catapults x2, gold destroyer, pirate squad vf17

[modern tree]

I think that 4.3 is possible only with 2 catapults which is

not the pvp bis

for carriers

but it works for pve!

[lofty smelt]

gold destroyer is worse than helldiver tho

[coral wren]

well, i wanted her to have only golden stuff

got a +9 helldiver somewhere though

[modern tree]

bling bling

[coral wren]

so what should i build with the stuff at hand

[zenith tundra]

power/gold stuff is pointless tbh. use stuff that works not some shiny garbage

[coral wren]

my biggest problems are at vanguard

[modern tree]

you should run something like this on Enterprise

Hellcat is exclusively to gain upper hand in Enty duels

[coral wren]

is vf17 worse than hellcat?

[lofty smelt]

You can use a lot for slot 1. Pirate, Reppu, Hellcat, blah blah blah

[modern tree]

pirate and reppu are better pvp planes, but again Hellcat is slower which lets you win Enterprise duels

that's really about it

any plane with 500lb bomb works pretty much

[coral wren]

then, what to use for vanguard atm i use ayanami kai, laffey kai, belfap, in rotation with helena

[modern tree]

I wrote equipment guide, its in pins

[zenith tundra]

2x500lb bombs for fighters

[lofty smelt]

scrap laffey use helena if that's all you have imo

[coral wren]

i've posted a pic with the stuff i've got above

the problem is, idk what to use x-x

aurora's lv78, but it's a work in progress

[modern tree]

If your aurora yellow skill is leveled you can probably get away with using her even sub 90 imho

[lofty smelt]

WASD+E backline

[modern tree]

if you have planes

[coral wren]

ok, and for front?

[modern tree]

if you dont, then fuck it

Belfast Juneau Helena, WasdE

[coral wren]

for more notable ones, got juneau, belfast, helena, cleveland, all kai starters, no jintsuu

[modern tree]

will beat pretty much everything atm

[lofty smelt]

vanguard comp doesn't matter much, use what you want, but with your leveled ships Aya + helena + Belfast is probably the best you have

[coral wren]

also, no pearl's tears because arizona refuses to show up

[modern tree]

just gottsta gear them and level their skills

[coral wren]

their skills are all lv10

the problem's with the items on my end

most of them are at around +6/+8

[modern tree]

you will get gear over time, if your enterprise garbage is leveled than you can probably easily afford just running her with naked helena to steal games

maybe reset sometimes for rng

but it will beat things

[coral wren]

helena in the middle i suppose?

[odd schooner]

Okay so swapping out ayanami for a Belfast or a juneau was a worse idea

Portkai lives longer lmao

[maiden agate]

Use Port kai to trigger aurora user

[modern tree]

If you are using Belfast Juneau Helena then you should run them in that order

[coral wren]

why helena on the side, isn't juneau's purpose to die?

[lofty smelt]

Oh that Jueneau is 97 I'm so blind

Juneau not being mid usually dies way too fast in current meta

so wasted heals

[modern tree]

If you are running wasdE then your frontlines purpose is to live as long as possible

[odd schooner]

Ye feels like

[modern tree]

delaying Juneau sinking as much as possible heals your backline for the most possible, which wins you the game

[odd schooner]

I have to embrace this siscon ship

Gdi saint louis when

[modern tree]

like

[coral wren]

i guess, but is that, let's say, 5% health, worth more than helena's survival overall?

[modern tree]

between Torpedoes and Aurora

Juneau is really fragile

Helena not getting her skill up is fine

tbh

[finite valve]

@odd schooner you mean devus vult or just lewis?

[modern tree]

its just for overkill purposes

[odd schooner]

@finite valve baguette one

[maiden agate]

if she does get a scan in with Owarida you already won

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

Oath skin vs the new L2D skin on Belfast. which one wins?

gotta look good for pvp u know

[odd schooner]

@coral wren maid default still the best

If based on voice lines

[modern tree]

buy l2d, buy Aurora skin, run Jintsuu, all fans

[maiden agate]

I prefer oath skin. She calls me darling

[modern tree]

100% swag

[coral wren]

I have all of them daxam

cant decide between retroskin or swimsuti on jintsu tho

[odd schooner]

A n a t a

D a r l i n g

[finite valve]

kai skin if you use her as sec

[coral wren]

OH SHIT THE VOICELINE ON l2D is insane

[maiden agate]

You forgot Goshujin sama

[finite valve]

swimsuit if you just going to use her

[coral wren]

maybe i will change every week

[odd schooner]

Ayanami new year doesn't feel right i went back to wedding skin

[coral wren]

I am waiting for that rock n roll skin

[maiden agate]

Change every 2 hours

[odd schooner]

At least her headdress stands out

Wasted gems again

🚮

[zenith tundra]

the headdress is the only thing i dislike about oath aya chibi tbh

[coral wren]

I am fking wasting oil in Sp1. I thought it would be harder so I put in Ning ping hais and yat sen all at once omg

[finite valve]

sp3 is 60 max

unless your china are below 70

[odd schooner]

Imma just do sp3 later. I'm still drunk rn lmao it's 2:39am here

[zenith tundra]

i'm using leander akagi(for oath) mobs and port kai enty boss

[finite valve]

enty need RNG for her to nuke boss tho

[zenith tundra]

enty just oneshoots the boss ;lol

[coral wren]

dude wtf.. yat sen is slower than eld

[zenith tundra]

nah portkai gets her to like 30-50 and it's fine

[odd schooner]

China boats are slow

[coral wren]

good god. I assume this makes them useless in pvp

I havent used a slower vanguard than this... I was playing and I looked at the screen and I saw them crawling on the ocean surface like turtles

[zenith tundra]

from when i started using portkai enty i still have to fail 1 S rank tbh

the only thing that kills slow vanguards are bbs

[odd schooner]

Have you seen yat sen hp

[finite valve]

you can't kill what you can not hit

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

i was talking in general not in that specific case

[odd schooner]

They're technically the tankiest frontline for pve iirc

[coral wren]

maybe the slow speed jukes the BB shells

@coral wren whats ur ingame name and server?

sandy, name same as here

[zenith tundra]

i'm missing only mullany but wasted like 120cubes already

[coral wren]

ah ok.. I saw some dude in washington that didnt oath kaga aswell

i oathed kaga too

oh ok good

I hate when I see ppl oathing Akagi and neglects kaga

2 rings or enterprise skin

[finite valve]

both?

but if i have to choose i say ring

[zenith tundra]

pvp speaking oath rings are way more valuable

[coral wren]

can't do both 'til 10th when i get the wage

[finite valve]

since most likely they going to rerun skin with discount

same as ping ning skin

[coral wren]

and where would the rings be better used on, vanguard or backline

[finite valve]

on any meta ship

i would say back line is better

[coral wren]

How meta is this fleet?

Tfw still no aurora

[finite valve]

i would say 3/10

front is doable but backline is a mess

you just basically put the best ship in and call it a day

[coral wren]

I would love to bully that backline with Amakaga

[odd schooner]

@balmy torrent drill you say

Here's

[livid fractal]

No one is attacking again.. everyone's busy

[quaint ferry]

my meme dream team is almost complete

[subtle whale]

what the meme

one cant make a mmeme team with enty

👀

[uneven trench]

erebus in pvp is big meme

[real notch]

portland op or what

she can hit a fat 80 EVA with badge

at 4.8k hp

[subtle whale]

sounds good honestly

gonna try it and see

but her good gun isnt in the game yet

[dull hollow]

eh u dont rly on CA to do much damage

i mean seeing mogami crit Jintsuu for 600 damage is fun

but it's not what defines them

they're just rly gud at not dying

they're also decent at 1vXing backlines

[pastel forge]

ye, can confirm portkai is easily my tankiest front against the usual amakaga aurora (always last one alive). still not sure if she's better than other options tho

[odd schooner]

I recorded a bunch of fights on possibilities that could happen when facing a Washington fleet with portkai but idk where to upload

[subtle whale]

portland cant die

lol

she always the last vanguard standing

[odd schooner]

Also her skill is somewhat useful

Cause 2nd batch of torpedoes unload during that duration

Where's the senate. He needs to read this out

[subtle whale]

who?

[real notch]

yep, she has 20sec defense

but it's kinda hard to time well against amakaga fleets

only really valuable thing is her stats

big HP and big EVA

issue is she doesn't synergize with jintsuu

and i would rather have jintsuu than portkai

[buoyant parrot]

is there like an alternative or a match against AmaKaga Fleet?

I'm getting sick of having to use the same Fleet as my opponents and it appears the Wash+SoDak is no longer effective

[pastel forge]

wasd is as effective as ever for me, amakaga is good on offense but I haven't really had any problem against them

[buoyant parrot]

the nuke coming from the AmaKaga fleet is too much for my Wash+SoDak fleet to negate

I'm sure its not my gears I'm all Gold and all +10

im capping at 13.4k on my Wash+SoDak fleet

I lost 3x already on an AmaKaga fleet for being careles not looking into it

[pastel forge]

hm weird, wasde or wasda? either way as usual Bel + Jun + 1 works if amakaga is really an issue

[maiden agate]

wasda seems a bit too slow, but it works

[buoyant parrot]

I'm on Wash+SoDak+Hood
Vanguard: Eldridge+Cleveland+Janaeue

[maiden agate]

Eldridge is gonna die prety fast to Akaga regardless

[buoyant parrot]

FYI its regardless even I change my Vanguard there's a 60-70% chance of losing when Fighting a AmaKaga fleet at 12.6k BP

[maiden agate]

Have you tried Port Kai + Juneau + Belfast

[pastel forge]

aah no wonder. yea Eldridge is kinda out of meta now. hood is also isn't ideal

[buoyant parrot]

Now that you mentioned I might try using Port Kai

[maiden agate]

Cause Amakaga tends to run Aurora, and Port Kai give no shit

[buoyant parrot]

whats a good replacement for Hood then?

Enter?

[maiden agate]

Amagi or Enty

[pastel forge]

enty or amagi

[buoyant parrot]

okay Amagi it is

I hate this Carriers so much I want them sank using BB's

I'm being forced to use the same Meta coz of how annoying they are lately

[maiden agate]

Amagi makes for slower but more stable performance but Enty lets you clutch bs wins sometimes

[buoyant parrot]

I'll try the Amagi+FW combo

Port Kai + Bel and Jan

I think I might consider using Jintsu instead of Port Kai though

[gilded atlas]

when you can't beat them join them

[buoyant parrot]

@gilded atlas exactly what I did coz I got sick of it

and now im feeling disgusted to my self

[pastel forge]

lol, dw my akaga remains at stranger affection still due to my reluctance to use them

[maiden agate]

No affection for playing Esports

[buoyant parrot]

my rank in this season went trash right after losing 4x. This is the only season I lost so many times it made me join the meta 😂

[maiden agate]

Wasd is still pretty meta

[maiden agate]

But it could be so muchh better if USS get more event

[buoyant parrot]

ima try go back to my FW

ima try this demo set up later after reset

[coral wren]

dead amagi after first first strike woho

[buoyant parrot]

should I move Wash to her place instead?

[maiden agate]

Soda in the middle is the standard setup

[buoyant parrot]

got cha

done

[ivory vine]

you probably wanna put amagi on top also

[buoyant parrot]

I did

[ivory vine]

cuz bot gets hit by cuda torps

[odd schooner]

Your positioning must be the issue

Try Washington below sodak mid amagi top

Belfast front

Juneau mid

[buoyant parrot]

yup thats how my Vanguard are setup currently

for Sodak yeah I put her middle and Amagi is on top

god I hope to see a good result. I'm sick and tired of seeing AmaKaga on the top 1-50

[quaint ferry]

Enterprise kills a lot of the meme comp I had

[odd schooner]

How it usually ends on my end

[quaint ferry]

I mean I knew she was strong but its its funny seeing her and Erebus proc their skills and killing stuff

Just needs to avoid metaslaves to have fun

[buoyant parrot]

exactly that's what im trying to prove

I don't want to be part of the META, I want to be the one who destroy the META

[odd schooner]

That's me on another game then had to suffer from getting mediocre rewards

Meta always get the good stuff

[buoyant parrot]

feelsbadman

[odd schooner]

[quaint ferry]

I don't really care about following a meta, I find it more amusing building my own stuff and try it out on pvp to see how far it can go

[buoyant parrot]

we where the chosen ones, we oath to destroy them not join them

[quaint ferry]

Friend gets mad at me for using Erebus in pvp instead of doing a meta slave comp since i have all ships ready for it

[odd schooner]

Well that's why pvp has reset feature

Imagine having no reset at all

[buoyant parrot]

[odd schooner]

But for ppl especially working adults, i guess they'd better go off the easier route or their boss will wonder why they aren't out of their bathroom break

[velvet fossil]

that hits home gurren

[quaint ferry]

When you work a 9-5 job but your waifus are calling

[odd schooner]

@buoyant parrot try this

For fox fleet i suggest Belfast Aurora Jintsuu but needs to pay attention

[buoyant parrot]

I'll try the Port Kai Later

gonna go with Jintsu and see how good the Torp damages are

Also my Portland is Lv100 but her skill Lv is trash

[odd schooner]

Her skill proc is just bonus

She's there to live long enough i guess

[buoyant parrot]

Yeah I think Jintsu gives more help to the Vanguards

[odd schooner]

She dies 2nd airstrike

I think I'm fighting a BiS fox fleet

Ah nvm he's missing 1 200 affection backline

[buoyant parrot]

that's also one thing My Protland isn't Oath yet

[odd schooner]

Mine isn't either

Also the Belfast aurora jintsuu foxes

Hp is always low but you'd still win matches

Sometimes like this

Or this

[quaint ferry]

@odd schooner Those fleet names

OniChiChi

[cosmic stratus]

Those names

[abstract cypress]

w8ing for lvl 120

[real notch]

twin 127 or triple 155 on amagi

[modern tree]

My Takao is also always the last one standing! Might have something to do with medium armour rather than evasion or hp honestly

But unless Portland can dish out enough damage to push through stally frontlines, she might just be good, not amaaaazing

HMS might be the only lineup that benefits from stalling atm, is what I truly mean

@real notch on foxes she will probably never see combat so belgun is better stats for hitting fast and hard. If you play her outside of that, just get 127 in case she has to shoot some boat with it. It's might be the only consideration because I can't really think of another

[real notch]

aite

that's what i was thinking too

thx

[zenith tundra]

if u use amagi on defense too i would still go with 127tbh, at least u can try and put some pressure on opponents

[pastel forge]

I would use belguns on wasda, 127 on amakaga

[modern tree]

That's revolutionary

Elaborate

[pastel forge]

cause on amakaga she'll be the only one shooting stuff

better dps in case shit goes wrong with vg

[ivory vine]

running amakaga you're more likely to just kill their vanguard tho

[zenith tundra]

amagi with belgun on def is so bad tbh, i feel like she doesn't even shoot every time i get near her

[ivory vine]

and never actually fire it

[modern tree]

I personally don't see how that would be a concern if you sink your opponents vg in roughly 10 seconds

[ivory vine]

i would 100% run belgun on amakaga

only for the fp boost

[zenith tundra]

i would run twin 127 for extra aa

[pastel forge]

honestly on practice it would probably be minor differences tbh

[zenith tundra]

i don't see why u would need extra fp when everything already melts

[modern tree]

And also, being concerned with amakaga defense performance is a fools errand. Team is for rushing with attacker advantage, not to give people trouble

[zenith tundra]

i actually lost a mirror lol

[modern tree]

You have only yourself to blame for playing the mirror

[zenith tundra]

i actually lost because i don't have gold barra like wtf

the enemy akaga was faster then mine because of that

[modern tree]

One day Barracudas will be farmable, maybe

[ivory vine]

maybe in a random event map someday

[zenith tundra]

no hope in jp too

[modern tree]

I have exactly 2 of the damn things and it happens to be as much as I will ever need

Took me months to get a second one tho, actual conscious effort for months

[zenith tundra]

can't even afford to buy stuff when u waste 90k on builds

[coral wren]

It makes me think seafangs are the most common thing you will get out of brit boxes

[ivory vine]

pretty sure i get the trash bb gun the most

[real notch]

i just know UFOs are the rarest

which is feelsbadman

[modern tree]

For evey 533 gold quint I wish I got a crane instead

[ivory vine]

same

unless you meant the mag torp version

[modern tree]

Can't even dump them for plates because I am sitting on thousands of torp ones

[ivory vine]

then not same only cuz i never got one

torp plates are a meme

[zenith tundra]

wow i only have 200 t3 torp. then again i only go for main fleets when farming

[odd schooner]

Wait so 127mm over belgun

[pastel forge]

got my first 2 roombas earlier this week yes too lazy to farm 7-2, honestly just confirmed the fact that optimized aa brings very very minor improvement if any

[odd schooner]

I mean the Belgun fan usually what kills off a runaway ayanami

But haven't really paid much attention

[pastel forge]

I mean I use either trip 152 or belgun on my wasda

[modern tree]

Still running 2x 105 skc for AA and having no trouble with planes.

[odd schooner]

I'm currently running 4 113mm 2 Bofors or should change the mix

[modern tree]

I never had a problem with sinking Aya in my face because DDs like to ram the ships and then you can't miss

[odd schooner]

Any recommendations

[modern tree]

Because 127 reloads way faster

[pastel forge]

I now use 2x113 2x105 2xbofors, honestly no difference than my old 4x105 2xbofors

[modern tree]

If you want a recommendation then I recommend checking if your AA setup fires twice vs fox plane blob and if it doesn't, you need faster AA

But it might just be purely minmaxing purposes

It's hard to really tell by just looking at the composition what's the average reload

[subtle whale]

portland been doing great for me

[modern tree]

In what lineup

[subtle whale]

im using wasda jesus aurora portland

gensui is five star admiral right?

[odd schooner]

I need to get the average right

[modern tree]

Seems alright. Any reason you prefer Aurora over something else?

[odd schooner]

From all 6 of them

[subtle whale]

extra damage to dd/ cl

portland surpisily can survive 3 airstrike from amagaki

[modern tree]

Gensui appears as Fleet Admiral on leaderboard

[subtle whale]

[modern tree]

Because having consistent names is hard

I asked about Aurora because your front seems to have low damage and 3 bbs might have trouble hitting the front either way. Personally I started using Helena for that reason. Might as well make all the shells that hit really hurt 60% of the time

[subtle whale]

i been winning so far

dont need reset

[modern tree]

I believe it

[subtle whale]

[odd schooner]

[modern tree]

Excuse my obsession with optimizing

[odd schooner]

Should i separate front and back

.88 .90 1.18 front

[subtle whale]

i used to do jintsuu aurora ayanami

just wanted to use portland since i like the ship

[coral wren]

Is she that good without 120 lvl cap?

[zenith tundra]

i wish portland had some other skill than siscon

[odd schooner]

She has

Yellow one

[modern tree]

25% to do a thing

[zenith tundra]

i want another one instead of the 1st

not that she has no other

[subtle whale]

we need portland ultra retrofit

[pastel forge]

rip missed another match, missed 4 total now. should still be ez gensui tho

[shy hazel]

Shittons

Of foxes amagi aurora junt ayanami def fleets

Lol

Cancer

[pastel forge]

honestly much prefer these compared to the old eldridge stall comp cancer fest

[shy hazel]

Share me your offense secrets

[zenith tundra]

offense secret is 20% attacker bonus

[subtle whale]

[shy hazel]

Mirror fleet dont help me

[buoyant parrot]

hey thanks guys, I'm killing AmaKaga fleet like flies lol~ 😂

[zenith tundra]

amakaga is bad on defense plain and simple

[buoyant parrot]

finally an end to this META

[zenith tundra]

amakaga is an offensive meta where defense is either useless or memes

[coral wren]

Is it all mirror matches on jp/cn with namagi all over the place?

[modern tree]

I have been smashing Amakaga with suicide wasd. It's also the most fun I've had in a while

[shy hazel]

Does sd skill activate again when wash dies first

I kinda forget

Ironbottom survival ones

[ivory vine]

iirc it activates even if wash is ded

[modern tree]

If sd was under 30% health with wash alive, skill activates

[shy hazel]

So if wash is dead before 30

[modern tree]

Basically, if wash got danage boosted, sd can't sink for 5 seconds

[ivory vine]

then i guess wash died as she went to 30% when it happened to me

[shy hazel]

I thibk there are no instances for me

[modern tree]

You can burst sd to bypass it but it's harder than sniping wash

[shy hazel]

To wash sink first before sd

So im not sure if sd skill activates still

Lol

If it does happen

[ivory vine]

the only times i really kill wash first is if torps land

and on attacking side that's pretty iffy

[shy hazel]

But wasd vs amakaga

Sounds risky

[modern tree]

It's really not

[ivory vine]

amakaga on def is pretty trash tbh

[shy hazel]

Well

[ivory vine]

cuz 20% damage really makes or breaks rushing down the enemy

[shy hazel]

Better than wasd def for me

[modern tree]

Sd drops below 30% it by using aegis to parry second strike like 80% of the time

[ivory vine]

tbf i would lose the mirror fairly often

cuz i never bothered to level my foxes skills

until amagi came out

[shy hazel]

Whats your

Vanguard

Usual jintsu aya

[ivory vine]

bel/aya/jint

cuz i only got aurora yesterday

[shy hazel]

Aurora

Useless for me after first strike

Especially amakaga vs amakaga

[ivory vine]

i love when people put juneau in front

and she just dies to torps

[supple stratus]

I am surprised at the power of my HMS fleet

[shy hazel]

the other say someone say amakaga jint set is bad at offense

and good only at defense

now its opposite

confused

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

amakaga aurora jintsu aya is best offense comp there is now. plain and simple mostly vanguards die by akaga airstrike due to torpedoes and amaga barrage

[supple stratus]

My HMS Fleet RN:

Hood/QE/Lusty
Juneau/Aurora/Belfast

R8 it?

[shy hazel]

5/10

[zenith tundra]

where's ws kai

[ivory vine]

lusty

[shy hazel]

^

[coral wren]

Lusty
Is she viable in pvp rn?

[supple stratus]

Really a 5/10? I've been able to face a few decent sets with them

[shy hazel]

what fleets are you fighting

i dont even think that can do half dmg to amakaga def fleets

[coral wren]

U dont think lusty is great in pvp

[ivory vine]

i dont think lusty is great in anything

[shy hazel]

whole front will die in first strike

[supple stratus]

Random or an occasional Amagi or Washy fleet

[zenith tundra]

u need ws for now to be able to at least snipe an opponent with her + hood barrage

[supple stratus]

I keep dropping to the 3000's so not much comp to fight

[shy hazel]

u put aurora in non amakaga teams

i know its bad

[coral wren]

Some people say Lusty is useful in high lv pve so ill go with that, boss fleet

[shy hazel]

[ivory vine]

hms rn is basically just sniping something w/ ws skill+hood

[shy hazel]

for me

[ivory vine]

which makes it meme tier on def but who cares about that

[shy hazel]

hms is all about qe hood and ws

and stalling front

non negotiable after that

at least in en

[zenith tundra]

doy will make things more interesting

[shy hazel]

until we get doy yeah

who knows maybe early ws kai refit

can fk up these amakagas

[ivory vine]

then dork gets replaced by monarch eventually

unless ws kai mixes it up and you dont even use monarch

[zenith tundra]

qe ws best hms comp lol

[shy hazel]

do we have a visual on ws kai barrage already?

[ivory vine]

it's an event

[shy hazel]

guess not yet

[ivory vine]

so we prob wont know until 7 days have passed

[shy hazel]

id like to see that spread

spread those barrage

[ivory vine]

inb4 they didnt fix anything

and it can still just miss

[supple stratus]

I see i need to get Lolispite instead of Lusty

[ivory vine]

[shy hazel]

i mean

even if it misses

higher chance 2 more ships will aim right

just reset until it hits then

[ivory vine]

does anyone even know how this shit just whiffs?

cuz uh...the main fleet doesnt move

[zenith tundra]

if amagi can miss so can ws kai imo

[supple stratus]

Lolispite is in Heavy pool right?

[shy hazel]

H pool

[odd schooner]

Tbf the coin flip mirror on akaga akagi fleet is better than using Washington

[supple stratus]

K 2 rolls lets see

[odd schooner]

You mess up 1st airstrike refresh again

[supple stratus]

Double repulses....

[odd schooner]

That's like 12 seconds in

[shy hazel]

repulsive

[odd schooner]

You mess up Washington that's 45+s in

[ivory vine]

yeah it was annoying to reset a bunch before my foxes skills were maxed

but at least it only wasted like 10-15s before i reset

[zenith tundra]

usually all u need to win mirror is to get 1-2 torp waves in front of enemy backlines

[shy hazel]

braindead endgame

everyone is using amajints anyways

just be one with it

[ivory vine]

i farmed for jintsuu

im gonna use her

also cuz she's cute wolf waifu

[zenith tundra]

i was using hakaga when everyone run wasd e/h

[shy hazel]

hakaga 👀

hood?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[shy hazel]

i think everyone did

oh well

except wasd

[ivory vine]

i ran the

[zenith tundra]

i didn't convert to akaga everyone just jumped on amakaga train and dropped wasd

[ivory vine]

"im just here for the merits" special

[odd schooner]

I'm using wasd A rn toying everyone on my list

[ivory vine]

and by the time i farmed 20k merits for sodak amagi was here

[hot creek]

i just noticed portland doesn't get a skill with retrofit?

[zenith tundra]

no skill just stats

[pastel forge]

yep just stat boost

[hot creek]

odd

[zenith tundra]

i guess 4 skills ships weren't a thing back then

[hot creek]

I wonder if winter's crown is gonna be after this lunar new year event

[pastel forge]

99% yea

[hot creek]

or if there will be downtime inbetween

[zenith tundra]

hope some downtime tbh

[ionic magnet]

^

need to replenish cube supply

[pastel forge]

very unlikely imo

[zenith tundra]

this event is already like the worst thing they could've done tbh. putting more stuff in light build where is already impossible to get anything out of is such a bad idea

i guess it's "how to make people whale 101"

[pastel forge]

eh I don't mind it, light build is half the price of the usual limited pool

[zenith tundra]

there are no sr in light build and the elite drops are so low and too many of them

u get what u pay for pretty much

[pastel forge]

the 1.5% chance is kinda like 3% if in usual limited

[coral wren]

Most of them are average, not a big loss anyway

[hot creek]

yeah, I can't even 100% collection anyways cause i missed some ships from earlier events

so im fine if i miss someone from here

[gritty cove]

If anything, I'm stacking up on medals trying to get the last drop

[zenith tundra]

i'd rather waste 160 cubes on amagi and get best bb in the game then waste 120 for some random useless elite ships

[hot creek]

pretty much

[pastel forge]

you can always ignore it, great for me since I don't even have aurora ping ning etc

[gritty cove]

I prefer collecting ships

[hot creek]

i think i spent like 50 cubes yesterday on the new ships, got most of them but i will not be spending any more other than daily build

[zenith tundra]

i'm just missing mullany and not sure if i want to spend more on it tbh

but then again sirius is waiting in wc so might not use any more cubes on this

[shy hazel]

intern kun leaked that

wc is at last week of feb

cny event ends when again

[zenith tundra]

13

[shy hazel]

so we got 2 weeks of break i guess

or 1

[coral wren]

Just give us pr reserach already for god fucking sake

[shy hazel]

he just said actually near end of february

im not sure about last week of feb

wonder how doy and sirius will help our pvp meta

prolly not much

[zenith tundra]

i want w11 already w10 is almost 2 months outdated

doy will revive hms

most likely

[hot creek]

I really want neptune.

she's gonna be insta ringed when I get her

[shy hazel]

u misspelled Monarch

[hot creek]

best Headnod girl

[pastel forge]

I'm not sure about revive, but she'll help

[coral wren]

Sirius prob will be used in amakagi setup

rip belfast evasion

[zenith tundra]

i kinda want ibuki 1st but roon and saint louis are so tempting

[shy hazel]

i think i gon go monarch first

hms really needs some buff

[zenith tundra]

monarch will be last ship for me 100%

[coral wren]

Why tho

[shy hazel]

neptune will be last for me i guess

[zenith tundra]

because it's hms

[coral wren]

Not liking that loicense mate oy?

[zenith tundra]

i'm an ijn fan so i don't like hms

[coral wren]

Understandable

[shy hazel]

i select ships by usability and stats

[coral wren]

So you will go for izumo first?

[shy hazel]

no one uses izumo in pvp

its just nagato and amagi

so not rly

maybe after monarch i go izumo

[zenith tundra]

nah saint louis most likely then roon then ibuki

[coral wren]

Hm

[shy hazel]

sl too too but well

maybe ill make her after monarch

i guess ill never be able to use izumo much anyways

considering pvp

[zenith tundra]

i think there are a lot of great bb at the same level of monarch but not many vanguard at saint louis/roon level

[shy hazel]

hms has great bb

but i think monarch they say is best

im hearing good things bout sl and roon tho

[zenith tundra]

generally speaking not for pvp only

if i wanted pvp i would go for ibuki torp memes

[shy hazel]

well theres that but well

jint exists anyways

maybe can go first for another ship for now

a ship that does a job best that others cant even compare

[pastel forge]

if we're talking strictly pvp, Louis and monarch are the best 2 probably

[shy hazel]

lets face it, it's gonna be annoying fighting pr ships when u dont have one

gon prioritize pvp memes first

then pve memes

[hot creek]

Monarch will be second for me

[shy hazel]

im not hearing much good things about neptune so

dunno

i think ill make her last

[hot creek]

though I am a pvp'er, waifu comes first.

[shy hazel]

shes qt tho

i agree

[hot creek]

you'll want both anyways for HMS

[lunar veldt]

if u really want to HMS

its best if u get monarch

rather than neptune

backlines win pvp matches

the current EN backline sucks

[hot creek]

I agree

but I love Neptune so

[shy hazel]

thats why im also watching what will happen with ws kai

maybe hms will be gr8 again

[lunar veldt]

"maybe"

[shy hazel]

i mean no one knows

until we see ws kai

[hot creek]

I see WS kai definitely making HMS more viable but not really replacing IJN Nagato BS.

[coral wren]

If Ws retro will be a bomb, it;s gonna be 3 bb for hms, right? QE, ws and monarch

[shy hazel]

im more like

maybe its a better fleet for countering ijn bullcrap

rather than using mirror

maybe

[hot creek]

some HMS comps don't even bother with QE lol

[lunar veldt]

Will probably swap QE for WS

dont

[coral wren]

monarch ❤

[lunar veldt]

QE is just a punxhing bag

15% not worth

[shy hazel]

im just so tired of all these ijns

[lunar veldt]

and people who still put QE on the sidfe

[shy hazel]

though its still op

[lunar veldt]

are idiots

literallty idiots

who put hood at mid

[shy hazel]

heeey

[lunar veldt]

like why

[shy hazel]

en still needs qe

[lunar veldt]

yeah EN still needs QE

everytime i see a side QE i puke

[zenith tundra]

15% is quite a bit more with inflated lvl 120 stats

[lunar veldt]

smh

[shy hazel]

there are just so many better ships in other servers tho

[subtle whale]

make it a

5 back line 5 vanguard pvp

[pastel forge]

careful of what you wish for

[elder crane]

% stat effects mostly just mean it doesn't negatively scale with increasing stats, given the formulae in this game
(Technically there's a small effect increase, but it's well sub 1% for stuff that matters so w/e)

[zenith tundra]

can anything even survive 4 boosted airstrikes?

i can imagine nagato with akaga and bunnies

[elder crane]

Well, Hiryuu skill is pretty broken, so she's one that can in some situations

[shy hazel]

kill a fox before pre empt strike

[elder crane]

Then with the right support, her Kai version can help counter-kill Nakaga

[zenith tundra]

with a 5 comp good luck sniping something

[elder crane]

I'm actually testing a really jank Hiryuu/amagi/enty backline right now

[zenith tundra]

i tought about hiryuu too but gonna wait for nagato to try

[elder crane]

It actually seems to do pretty well on offense, but how matches go seem to indicate it can't defend

I theorycrafted that team for EN originally assuming hiryuu got her Kai

[zenith tundra]

without extra aviation u need nagato for her to deal at least some damage

[elder crane]

On offense at least, it still does my objective of trouncing Akaga

But with the remaining HP after first strike, will probably not work on defense

[zenith tundra]

my hiryuu it's lvl 99 so just a bit more

[elder crane]

Actually mine's 96 but it still works
Even have hiryuu decently often take mvp over Enty somehow

Slv 10 though is probably pretty important on her counter

[zenith tundra]

the problem is i don't want to run enty... who else could u use with amagi hiryuu?

maybe hood amagi hiryuu for extra snipe so u can kill a fox easily

[shy hazel]

why not just put wash

[native mantle]

why not just akagami^^

[deft flicker]

any counter to ayanami???

[finite valve]

using torp bulge?

[deft flicker]

aside from torp bulge

[finite valve]

no

[shy hazel]

aurora

kill her fast

[noble gyro]

would the power of my def fleet remain the same if i let my pvp fleet borrow their gears?

[shy hazel]

i dont get it

do u mean your offense fleet

if u borrow it, it gets unequipped

so the stats go down

[wise summit]

how many bananas can you fit in your mouth

[shy hazel]

a piece of banana provides your body 30% of the calcium it needs

so 3 and a half banana

heck just shove it all

[modern tree]

Opening smokes are pretty good against Ayanami, so Leander, Cygnet, some other boats that have it, but aren't as good. If you are concerned for your backline then make your vg faster

[hybrid obsidian]

how many points will you potatoes have after spending all tix rn ?

[livid fractal]

2120 + 50.. then 50 later = 2220

[hybrid obsidian]

nais

[modern tree]

2081, 9/10 atm

[gritty cove]

2051 8/10

[lofty smelt]

2117 with 5/10. I'm almost cool :(

[real notch]

i missed like 20 matches OMEGALUL

[cosmic stratus]

12 with 10/10

[odd schooner]

I guess only a few will push this reset

[split socket]

2114 5/10 😐

whch server do u guys play on?

[modern tree]

Sandy

[split socket]

damn 😄 sandy as well

[lofty smelt]

Lexington

[dull hollow]

I was hard winning

Vs 120 nagaka

And my entire front

Wasn't equipped

[modern tree]

Hows Warspite

[dull hollow]

No idea

No one has her yet

[modern tree]

did they forget to release the event that gives you the retro piece or is it time gated?

[odd schooner]

Time gated

7th day for the piece like 3d5

[modern tree]

I wish EN got this event instead of Graf.

[real notch]

wow

reducing dispersion by 5

that's pretty big

also what's the skill meaning by "every battle"?

is that a PVE thing

[modern tree]

I imagine its once per node because once per sortie makes no god damn sense

[dull hollow]

warspite will still be trash tier in pve outside of select boss battles

tho she will be good in EX battles I suppose

since those don't spawn trash I think

warspites biggest probelm was that all trash will spawn far away

so

80% of the time

she didnt have a skill

she gets a 15% firepower buff now but that honestly just makes her an oversized Fusou

Fusou does the same thing

140~ gun fitting

20% firepower buff

[modern tree]

She can be buffed by QE which is a pretty neat, but yea, this ship is mostly pvp

where you can abuse the shit out of 2.3x damage auto crit barrage

[real notch]

she should push HMS back to top tier

hopefully

[dull hollow]

you would also never use QE with her anymore in an HMS pvp comp

since it's monarch centaur + her

monarch + her if barrage isnt dogshit should enforce 3v2s

then centaur gives you frontline dominance

[modern tree]

can Centaur stand as flaghip tho

[dull hollow]

probably

i mean

QE is a fucking squishy ship too lets be honest

centaur is ur utility bot anyway

if she's getting bullied just give her a wheel

[modern tree]

QE has heavy armour and buffs her own evasion, she aint that soft, but maybe just abusing how dumb Centaur is turns out better

[gritty cove]

Missed gensui by 2 attacks

[modern tree]

but I imagine its gonna be a total wash on offense anyways, warspite skill makes monarch prefer to shell the target she just hit with her stupid barrage so deleting shit is probably not gonna require absolutely anything

[dull hollow]

heavy armor

is generally worse

in pvp

[modern tree]

if anything, slowing down the frontline while your ships are shelling the backline because warspite skill might just be useless

[dull hollow]

you take more damage from airstrikes

and torpedos

there's a reason why hood was a mild annoyance to akaga players for so long

[modern tree]

dunno how timings will work

[dull hollow]

bitch was 8k HP

medium armor

centaur gives more damage than QE and has better utility

[modern tree]

It just feels wrong to call it HMS without QE, its more just WS and Monarch delete thing, the fleet

[native mantle]

should i switch belfast for port kai?

[modern tree]

this question will require a lot more context

in what fleet, what are you trying to acomplish with this switch, are you ready to listen to Portland in your exercises

[native mantle]

atm i ahve akagami with jun+belfast+aya

[bleak osprey]

I finally got 元帅 after seasons of forgetting to do pvp lel.

[native mantle]

and whats that in EN?^^

[bleak osprey]

And I missed 2 exercises as well.

Gensui

Aon

Is syanda ard? I would like to tell him I did it with laffey, Aya, and clvev

[modern tree]

if anything I'd toss aya, but then you lose the IJN bonus for Amagi so probably not. I am not sure how much value you will get from swapping ship that makes your VG tank airstrikes to a ship that takes bonus damage from airstrikes, but hey, trying it is free right?

[bleak osprey]

I have been running that vanguard since starter Kais dropped. I can swap it sure, but I like them. Tho I will be swapping cleve out for Sirius when I get her maxed next month.

And Aya fights with the 3 foxes for Mvp constantly so I'm not swapping Aya out at all.

Tho I might swap laffey for jintsu

And I just realized daxam isn't talking to me

[native mantle]

@modern tree btw is there something better(besides jintsu) for aya like poi?

[bleak osprey]

Sorry its 4am hahahah

Aya Kai is better than poi

[modern tree]

na, IJN frontline sorta sucks until Sendai/YKKZ

[dull hollow]

QE hasnt been the face

of HMS for a while now

ever since centaur released

[bleak osprey]

We're still talking in EN context right?

[ivory vine]

centaur

no we're not

[native mantle]

i had thought we talked about EN^^

[modern tree]

I am talking about everything at once because I am a master of taking over this chatroom

[bleak osprey]

Hey mods, we have a takeover her

Here*

[dull hollow]

i mean we were talking about warspacito kai

[bleak osprey]

Jk

[dull hollow]

so this was never EN to begin with

[modern tree]

Centaur makes QE shells good tho, and now we have Warspite that might make QE shells good, you might not need centaur if everything you are shelling is on the backline because of the target priority

[bleak osprey]

Meh, I'm very biased against hms. And I tend to value waifu stats over actual stats for my pvp fleet lel.

[ivory vine]

i never liked hms either

the only hms bote i really like is monarch

[bleak osprey]

I especially hate cowtits

[modern tree]

y'all are dumb, git your furries out of here, shoooooo

[ivory vine]

furries

[modern tree]

we are talking about best boats here

[ivory vine]

but my fav bote is essex

[native mantle]

i like HMS and i like IJN^^

i don't like lolis

[bleak osprey]

My fav rn is Ibuki if we're talking all botes

[ivory vine]

ibuki is good but idk if she works that good in pvp

[coral wren]

the new Hms meta is to put amagi in mid

[ivory vine]

misses all the nice buffs from jintsuu

[bleak osprey]

Nah, Ibuki don't work in pvp

[ivory vine]

i mean i guess she could do ok

[dull hollow]

well every nation has a viable PvP so u can waifu and battle

[ivory vine]

just not w/ jintsuu

[dull hollow]

except kms

[bleak osprey]

New hms meta? In en?

[modern tree]

Ibuki has 2 preloaded torps so she aint bad for pvp

[dull hollow]

not EN

u gotta wait 1 year

maybe 6 months

[coral wren]

replace QE with Amagi and voila. new hms meta

[native mantle]

with WC rerun that could be possible

[bleak osprey]

Tbh, any decent comp can win in pvp, if you reset enough times lel.

[ivory vine]

i cant run ibuki with essex tho that's for sure

[modern tree]

Amagi does nothing for HMS fleet, stop

[coral wren]

Amagi is allmighty