pvp

[odd schooner]

[pastel forge]

lmao the names

[odd schooner]

Actually I'm using trump to try things out

But ye

His numbers are really off

Either he's using a gold gun

Or btd

Not 380 tho

[zenith tundra]

what's btd?

[pastel forge]

gold dive bomber

[zenith tundra]

ah i saw the picture of sumire comp and was thinking what is btd there because of full bb backline

[swift echo]

rate my pvp fleet idea

[zenith tundra]

why sandy?

[swift echo]

AA

her skill is lvl 10

[zenith tundra]

eh she's pretty useless before retro

u could use aurora for foxes instead

or wait for sirius once she's out

with that comp looks fine

for now just use like anything other than sandy. aurora/jintsuu/fortune kai

[modern tree]

Sandy is pretty useless in this fleet regardless because boosting AA of carriers is moderately pointless. Their Fighters power is based on Aviation.

If you want huge AA numbers use Juneau

And Aurora will do better for boosing Carrier damage than Helena, but I guess Helena is fine for now

[swift echo]

Wait doesn't Aurora's skill only effect her?

[zenith tundra]

aurora reduce evasion of dd and cl

that works for every ship that attacks

[swift echo]

[zenith tundra]

she works extremely well with amagi akaga for fast vanguard kill

[ionic magnet]

how much power rating does a maxed fleet usually have?

married and +10 BiS gears

[zenith tundra]

depends on fleet mainly

i only know amagi akaga bis is 12.8k

[ionic magnet]

ok thats a good number

so 13k above most likely not BiS gears?

[zenith tundra]

bb usually have higher fleet power so u can expect over 13k

but for amagi akaga everything over 12.8k is not bis

[ionic magnet]

i see

but 14k definitely is not BiS

right?

[zenith tundra]

from what i know no

[ionic magnet]

kk cos i just saw a guy for the first time with 14k

[zenith tundra]

i think u reach that with all gold equip but that is not bis for anyone

[odd schooner]

The 14k vanguard guy?

[zenith tundra]

i saw a 13.8k aya jintsu fubuki

what was he using?

btw that 13.8k lasted literally 5secs lol

with buki using twin 100, gold torp, gold aa, pearl and toolbox not oathed

[pastel forge]

mine with abukuma is also around 13.1k

[zenith tundra]

it was to see fleet power i use aurora instead of fubuki normally because she's too broken

[zenith tundra]

en meta once nagato hit is doomed imo. if for cn/jp was bad for en, with sirius too, will be even worse. i think we're gonna see a lot of nakaga sirius aurora once nagato comes and even before that is gonna to be amagi akaga with sirius aurora.

[native mantle]

or akaga+mikasa, if she hit EN before nagato

[zenith tundra]

mikasa hp is not under any circumstance worth in pvp

4572 lvl 100 is nothing

nagato has 6955 lvl 100

[native mantle]

more like 9000 hp

[zenith tundra]

vs 14k nagato

2 aya torp would sunk mikasa if crits

[modern tree]

I was under impression that Nagato Amagi destroys Nakaga so "doomed" might be a little bit of an exaggeration. Sirius doesnt add enough to the lineup to break it afaik, shes just different Aurora/Sendai

[zenith tundra]

yeah only 10% aviation and 10% hit chance on vanguard

with that no vanguard lives tbh

already my amagi akaga demolishes vanguard so fast imagine with 10% extra aviation 10% extra hit and 20% more damage

and we don't have hiryuu kai to help destroy nakaga

[modern tree]

Hiryuu kai is not a necesary piece to power through this comp. Your current experiences have no bearing on what will be happening when Nagato comes out because all kinds of factors might change until then, maximum level, research, some other boats added, etc

[zenith tundra]

that's my opinion so whatever.
if no other counter will come to en i don't see how nakaga will not be #1 in en too

[native mantle]

for example if we ahve JB before nagato comes

[zenith tundra]

research takes a lot to do so don't expect to have monarch in 2 days.

[native mantle]

then nakaga isn't shure #1

and if we got taihou before nagato, it could be nagato+taihou+amagi instead of nakaga. so nobdy know atm what will happen in the future

[maiden agate]

Sandy Kai

[zenith tundra]

i don't understand how u would lose to nagato amagi taihou on offense tbh

[native mantle]

it was just a example. like JB and essex can counter akaga

[zenith tundra]

jean bart doesn't really synergize with anything else tbh

u would use amagi with her but than again amagi is so broken that works with everything

[native mantle]

aye but JB can kill foxes before they even can launch their planes IIRC

everything now is just theory

[zenith tundra]

both jean bart and essex are after nagato in events

[native mantle]

i dunno ya was a AL staffmember?^^

no one knows if they will follow the same timeline or if they mix it up

[zenith tundra]

also if u really want to beat anything u just use nagato + whatever works best for that comp.

i don't think they'll mix up old events. mostly add new ones/reruns instead of originals

[charred sable]

There you go. Jintsuu oathed. PvP team complete. For now. Til I get Nagato for even more fluffy-tail-goodness

[zenith tundra]

i think juneau is not really needed for that. aurora is much better if u have her

also opening with juneau is so bad because she gets killed by 1st airstrike

she heals for 0 ur main fleet

[charred sable]

I've yet to see my Juneau die to the first airstrike actually

[zenith tundra]

for offense yes u can lead with her

for defense change her

[charred sable]

Also haven't yet rolled Aurora... Spent 160 cubes on trying for her after getting Amagi and no luck so at 0 cubes atm :(

[zenith tundra]

well u can wait for sirius once wc comes and use her instead

[charred sable]

Thankfully Duke of York is an exchange shop ship

[zenith tundra]

sirius will definitely be easier to get than aurora

[charred sable]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Sirius

SSR, so I'll be getting her and oathing her anyway xD

Will we get her in our version though?

[zenith tundra]

wc rerun almost 100% positive

can't wait to see ho devastating amagi akaga will be with aurora jintsuu sirius

[charred sable]

Cause when we got Fallen Wings and I forgot the other event, I don't think we got the rerun added ships

[zenith tundra]

opposite colored we got an in between tbh

because we don't have subs they couldn't add the whole rerun event

[charred sable]

Then again, it would be in their best interest to include the rerun content if possible

Let's EN catch up to JP faster

So less management of two different content sets

[modern tree]

We are getting the rerun version because intern-kun said so before he got kidnapped

[charred sable]

@balmy torrent but Hyuuga has no brown fluffy tail like Akagi :(

[zenith tundra]

nagato will come soon enough. imo right before summer or summer at worse

[charred sable]

But I need my main fleet to be named "Touch Fluffy Tail"

And my vanguard fleet to be named "Rape The Maids"

[modern tree]

steel sakura was ran first between may and june so we can probably expect it here late june if they rerun it within the same timeframe for other regions

[charred sable]

Once we get more maid vanguards

[zenith tundra]

i'm glad i don't use custom names and disabled them in the menu

[charred sable]

I rename all my oathed ships

Z46's oath line even asks you to rename her to something else other than her designation

[zenith tundra]

i don't waste rings on kms because they're useless in pvp

[zenith tundra]

what a meme vanguard lol

[modern tree]

Oathing your ships only for stats in pvp or to spell "funny" sentences must be so boring

[zenith tundra]

eh u prefer to marry lusty for the nice skin?

i at 1st oathed ships with skins. then realized that it was pointless so now i only oath ships that will make my life easier in pvp/pve

[chrome shard]

[modern tree]

I think this one qualifies as "neither"

I like some ships more than others

[zenith tundra]

the only ship i oathed because i liked her was aya...

the only other ship i like as much is not in en so rip me

this
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DxqT6xBUUAIBPbd.jpg:large

[modern tree]

It's gonna be a while before the rerun, likely after the anniversary

[zenith tundra]

i know

[modern tree]

which is quite fortunate because we dont have to deal with it in pvp

[zenith tundra]

i want to run her a lot in pvp

[modern tree]

I want everyone to forget fire extinguishers exist when shes out so shes not quite as annoying as she could otherwise be

[zenith tundra]

maybe we'll get her in september

[charred sable]

I oath for all the reasons combined: for PvP, for waifu, and for SSR collection

Though the last one is blocked by lack of Avrora

[modern tree]

Isnt it weird to oath all the SSRs? Wouldnt that make you marry a purin?

[charred sable]

Oh shit

[zenith tundra]

there is someone in avrora that did that

[charred sable]

I forgot to start lvling her

[zenith tundra]

don't worry

[charred sable]

Time to start throwing her in the 12hr commissions

[zenith tundra]

i don't want to spend too much money on al especially if i gain nothing from it

[modern tree]

I like supporting content that keeps me entertained for hundreds of hours

but I dont think oathing pvp shit for stats is compulsory

[zenith tundra]

me too but i'm like 200$ in already

[charred sable]

Well Azur Lane is more or less just a waifu collection game. The story is lackluster, the gameplay is just auto grinding, and the PvP is dice rolling. The thing that makes the game stand out more than others is it's high waifu effort, even for common ships

So there's really nothing that's important in the game in terms of "mandatory"

[zenith tundra]

i think the gameplay overall is fun enough to be played instead of other games that come out nowdays

[charred sable]

That's probably only because there's no official mobile Touhou port :P

[elder crane]

Crap, finally found a maxed to to test against, but accidently won before pausing

[zenith tundra]

i tried playing touhou and i hate that type of game tbh

[charred sable]

Azur Lane (PvE) is just simplified Touhou though

[elder crane]

Azur lane is more about stats and teambuilding anyways

[zenith tundra]

there's no grind in touhou

[elder crane]

Although gameplay is touhou-like, most of the game is auto and not really too challenging, so it's not like touhou at all

[charred sable]

PvP is different, yes, but with the current ranking system and ease of access to everything, it's hard to take overly seriously

[elder crane]

EX mode being the exception, but that's optional extra content with no rewards

[charred sable]

I can throw $500 at 5 separate accounts and each will have meta setups with the best in slot gear after 2-3 months of grinding, but each will be of varying rank depending entirely on RNG

[elder crane]

in the end, it's a waifu collection and grinding game

[zenith tundra]

to put it simply i think that touhou has no progression for characters so u just learn to play better while al it's about grinding to improve ur ships

[charred sable]

In some games, the difference between top tier PvPers and average players is money spent. In others it's time spent. And in others it's strategy

[elder crane]

The only thing that requires a bit of control skill in AL is EX
and EX is still half team-building

[charred sable]

But in AL, the difference between r1 and r500 is literally just RNG luck and your sleep schedule

[modern tree]

I heavily disagree.

[elder crane]

r 500 is pushing it

[charred sable]

fine, r101 :P

[zenith tundra]

ranking in pvp al is pointless tbh and i only like pvp because it allows to try more advanced team building than pve can

[modern tree]

you getting nr.1 might be RNG but getting to top 100 consistently is not dependent on RNG at all, considering this is what I have been doing for months

[elder crane]

I don't think I've ended at below 100 ever without losing matches

[charred sable]

Half the time I end below 100 because I miss a set of 5 attacks due to forgetting to use them up while I'm still at work

[elder crane]

Plus, no 1 temporarily is pretty much always possible

Well, there's your problem

[zenith tundra]

there was a guy here yesterday that was saying that he cannot pass 3k rank no matter what... if u know what ur doing is easy to say i can get top 100 every time

[elder crane]

that's the whole point, top 100 is not RNG at all

[charred sable]

Within top 100 though is RNG

r1 vs r5 for example

[zenith tundra]

it's not rng to get high rank it is for 1st tho

[elder crane]

To end on highest ranks, yep
to temporarily hit it, not really, I've hit 1 for a short time every season I haven't dropped matches in

usually repeatedly

[modern tree]

I can safely say that I got top 1 at the end of season 100% of the times I went for it, which was just once

[charred sable]

But what I mean is that the complexity of PvP in this game is just very shallow. You have a small pool of top tier PvP ships and a calculatable BIS set of gear that you can easily max out in X months of grinding

[modern tree]

it probably depends on the server you play on more than anything, getting top 3 on Sandy is all about just knowing what you are doing, other servers are probably a lil more competitive

[charred sable]

You can experiment around for optimal setup, but it's not going to define your ranking really

[elder crane]

Agree with you there.
This game I don't think is designed for complexity beyond that

It's still interesting to investigate different setups though

I'd feel like if there were more meta defense teams, then teambuilding in meta environment could be quite interesting

but there's too many suboptimal defense (since def doesn't matter) and so it's all about ending matches quickly

[charred sable]

The game I played previously had team setups and gear setups that would hard counter each other, meaning you would run and change gear depending on the specific opponent you were facing. And the ranking system was based on position swapping, so being and holding r1 actually meant that you were strong enough to not lose to other people (or if you did, you were able to beat their defence team and get back your original rank)

The fact that there were varying metas that countered each other and attack teams that you could build to target specific metas but never use in defence cause of glaring weaknesses... That kind of complexity in team building made PvP very interesting to me

[elder crane]

I think we could have something like that (at least the team setup stuff), to a small degree, if defense was important
At least then climbing time would be affected, though the resetting and, to a lesser degree, mechanics asymmetry would limit the actual applicability

[zenith tundra]

if 20% attack bonus wasnt a thing it would matter what defense u use

[charred sable]

One hindrance I find actually to AL's experimentation with different setups is the attacker bonus and difference in positioning between attacker and defender

To experiment properly, you would need 2 accounts with equal access to the same ships and gear and both show up on each other's attack list

Then you can freely do comparisons

But that's hard to set up

[elder crane]

But, the main playerbase is casual, so it's still needed to keep it accessible
IMO the only option I've heard of that's realistic is to give a -1 pt penalty per reset
Matters at high ranks, but minimal enough that casuals won't really notice

[charred sable]

That's the part that makes me sad. Often game companies forget that some of their most loyal/vocal fans that are capable of giving them good PR and spreading the word are also hardcore players

If you give them a bit more to work off of, it can go miles

[elder crane]

Still, it's more important to cater to new players and the casuals for a game like this, since that's the majority of the playerbase

[charred sable]

Yes, I totally agree that alienating the majority casual audience is definitely a no no

[elder crane]

I just think there could be some middle ground

but it's hard to think of systems that could work

especially as non-casual players, I feel like we lack perspective

[charred sable]

But if you add in a non-consequential proper ranking system that the more serious fans could invest in, it would most definitely provide for a dedicated fanbase (and also increased revenue)

Right now I don't feel like there's anything to invest in after finishing +10ing my gear, lvl 100ing my team and lvl 10ing my skills

It's just back to grinding for 100% completion, and while that's a goal, it's not a very motivating one

Compared to a goal of, say, get and hold the r1 position on your server

Fight for it against other equally serious and ambitious players on your server

[zenith tundra]

at lvl 120 oath becomes a lot more important due to stat inflation

[charred sable]

Oh, right, I forgot about the lvl 120 grind. That'll probably be a differentiator

[zenith tundra]

we'll get 110 1st so not at once but still a lot to grind i guess

[elder crane]

Still, once everyone hits 110/120 cap, it stagnates again
And, resetting and mechanics asymmetry means there's no real drive to optimize beyond some point

[charred sable]

But only a differentiator between those who remember to use up 5 attacks before each reset every day of the season (aka not me )

[elder crane]

The most recent CN PvP theorycraft articles I've seen (before amagi crimson echoes event) was all about how to win with 5 ships, so you could bring a sixth ship in to level it

[zenith tundra]

i haven't reset more than once (without retrying an opponent intentionally) since i got my aurora to max level. it's really nice to just roll everything in pvp 1st try

[charred sable]

I haven't so far this season but that's because I missed 5 attacks so none of my opponents are ever meta with maxed out gear

[zenith tundra]

this looks fun to play against

[charred sable]

Last season most people didn't have their Amagis lvl 100 yet and the skill was bugged or something I think?

[zenith tundra]

this is why u don't put juneau as opening

dead by 11 secs

[elder crane]

Sometime in the last few days was the first time it is possible to have Amagi at skill levels 10/10/10

[zenith tundra]

i got it yesterday

[charred sable]

I got mine 2 or 3 days ago I think but I missed a lot cause of long flights with no WiFi :(

[zenith tundra]

u win everything by 30 sec mark this formation is so retarded tbh

[elder crane]

Whoah, that's early
I missed a few skill book queuing from sleep times

Well, here's to lv uncap toning down alpha strike teams a bit

[zenith tundra]

i intentionally used t1-2 to make it so i always used t3 before sleep

[charred sable]

Just stay up until your previous T3 expires

[elder crane]

I just got her yesterday, so she's lv 76 still (and ofc low skill)

[zenith tundra]

i got max skills on aurora too lol

[elder crane]

Yeah, that's what I tried, but then fell asleep

[charred sable]

Set an alarm with the song

[zenith tundra]

176 oath on aurora and grinding her with akagi

[elder crane]

I'll sleep right past anything once I conk out

[charred sable]

Guaranteed awake, guaranteed , guaranteed ⏰ 🔨

[elder crane]

4 alarms can fail to stop me

[zenith tundra]

i always intentionally go to sleep waking up is though tho

i wake up but feel like shit if i don't sleep

[elder crane]

I'll also do the good ole zombie-wakeup
"when did I mute my alarm???"

[odd schooner]

I've been seeing Sumire Uesaka a lot of times this season so we're trying out some stuff

I'm tempted to swap fortune with leander but by removing fortune, some backline eats 6k+ crit from ayanami

[strange shuttle]

Should one of these be using an aa roomba?

[zenith tundra]

frontlines should use romba

[strange shuttle]

so roomba dd only is a pve thing?

[zenith tundra]

u use romba on ships with good reload so generally vanguard ships

[strange shuttle]

ok i got 2, who should have them

[zenith tundra]

go with aurora jintsuu

looking at equip guide (at least for pve) u would use boforos on cls generally

[strange shuttle]

kk ty

[elder crane]

For PvP, due to mechanics, the best AA setup is usually:
All roomba for backline (since backline AA is detached from vanguard, unlike PvE)
A mix, of either 2 roomba 1 bofors or 1:2, for vanguard, with roombas on higher AA damage ships ([AA stat +100] times slot efficiency) and bofor on the rest.
Placing the faster reloading guns on lower reload stat ships have a much smaller effect (<1% reload time difference) than placing the higher damage gun on a better AA ship (up to about 5% damage difference)

Alternative for the 113 is to run the 105 instead. The stats on that are slightly worse than the average of a 113 with a bofors, so replace accordingly

[zenith tundra]

how much is maxed out hms (qe, hood, ws)?

[elder crane]

That one seems like it's close at least; 13.5k for Hood-WaSD, and I know QE drops it a bit since her base stats aren't as good (Warspite should be comparable)

I think it might be a bit below the maxed-BiS power

[zenith tundra]

tried a bit with that (3-0). aurora is so pointless in that vanguard tbh

[elder crane]

I don't think the HMS setup has trouble with accuracy, so probably?

[modern tree]

bis max oath hms is 13064

[zenith tundra]

for defense is definitely bad imo

[elder crane]

Woah, that low?

Who's dragging it down?

[zenith tundra]

looks like not maxed out but some trash equip

[modern tree]

QEs rarity and all purple guns are dragging it way down

[elder crane]

QE loses 500 by her own, compared to WASDH? or is WS below 4.5k

[modern tree]

wait, maybe belguns are getting it higher

they dont

so like

qe is 4192 ws is 4322 and hood is 4549

[elder crane]

Wow, I didn't expect WS to be that low!

The more you know

[modern tree]

both wash and sodak are over 4500 in comparison, I am not sure how high sodak goes because I am in the process of catching up with her oath

[elder crane]

The full team is just above 13.5k, of WASDH

Both Wa and SD are ~4550, with BiS and 200 affection

[modern tree]

wash is exactly 4558

[elder crane]

4546 with exact same equip on SDK

410/406 is same power, right?

[modern tree]

its a bit funny how beaver badge is less power than sg

[zenith tundra]

same power for 410/406

[modern tree]

ther's no difference between 406 410 or AA guns as long as they are the same quality and at 10

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CDmzp/197fea4f69.png YesLikeThis

never had a +12 before

during this part of the season

[zenith tundra]

it's really rare tbh

just depends on who u get

[hybrid tendon]

Tsk

A loss

After that i decided to not experiment and just follow the meta

[zenith tundra]

loses are better then losing attempts because u don't spend all the time playing al

[modern tree]

I know this will be a revolutionary thought, but the more I play wasd Amagi, the more I catch myself wishing I had a cv to help deal with frontlines that are too weak to crack my own and put more pressure on the backline, considering wash barrage sucks and vanilla shelling requires frontline to be dead to start hurting. I am trying Helena, partly because she's fragile and partly because she will help my shit damage sometimes. Enterprise might just be better tho

[hot creek]

amakaga and don't look back.

[modern tree]

I played that, it's boring me

[zenith tundra]

amakaga is just retarded at this point tbh

and only getting worse with sirius

it's like u just click the start exercise button and auto win

i think i finally understand the hate for nakaga

[modern tree]

Yea you are win games and fast with your 20% damage, but how many of them are against real fleets and not Hood Enterprise illustrious, or wasd with bad gear. Also, hate for nakaga is not even comparable to this. This comp doesn't wall you until you use your own amagi foxes. This comp doesn't even wall you at all. It just wins games fast

[zenith tundra]

the problem is that u really don't have who to fight because people always meme in pvp defense fleet

it's not even that u could even have fun when all u fight is either mirror or meme

i have to pray to get somehow summire or gurren in my list to have some fun against actual fleets

[odd schooner]

Good, you guys are here

[zenith tundra]

that aya dress is so cute lol

what kind of magazine is that?

[modern tree]

Then it doesn't matter how strong the fleet you are playing is, this one just wins faster. Why hype it up like it's a second coming of christ when using Bogue, Langley and Ranger would have the same results

Or relatively more fun ones

[odd schooner]

Idk. Found it on a CN fb page

[zenith tundra]

i liked the diversity before amagi. i could run hakaga against wasd hood/enty and not feel like a total one sided match

[elder crane]

Lv uncap should help with that issue, eventually
Makes burst teams a bit worse relatively, makes CVs a bit worse relatively.

[zenith tundra]

i think sirius will make sure amakaga will be here till nagato tbh

[elder crane]

Hakaga at lv 120 iirc on CN server was considered "a joke" vs WASD/HMS

[zenith tundra]

and then we have to wait for actual counters like essex

the only thing will be that nagato with amagi is good so might not be all nakaga

[elder crane]

Burst scales a bit worse with lv, as do CVs, due to how the various mechanics interact

[zenith tundra]

u don't believe in the 10% extra hit chance and 10% extra aviation?

it's a 30% hit chance on cl/dd with aurora

[elder crane]

That's not how the hit chance works, actually

[buoyant parrot]

Ayaya look tasty

Laffey is sweet treat

[elder crane]

10% hit stat bonus is less than 10% hitrate bonus,

[zenith tundra]

even if it's not actually 30% it's still a bonus against evasion and extra damage

[elder crane]

with a smaller bonus vs higher eva ships

also, 10% aviation on AKaga is about a 7.5% damage buff due to how the skills and stats interact

not insignificant, but not as amazing as it first seems

[zenith tundra]

like already amakaga doesn't one shoot stuff

[odd schooner]

Pretty sure best part of amagi is her yellow and blue skills

[hot creek]

does amakaga not do well against geared wasd? I wouldn't know. Only recently started playing it and Sandy server is full of shitkikans. I don't really care that much about pvp anymore tbh. Not until PR and Warspite kai come out at least, which will take forever cause fucking EN.

[elder crane]

Yep, Amaka is currently best team by far

[odd schooner]

@hot creek they do

[elder crane]

I think lv uncap should tone it down a bit though, even with sirius added

PR equip/ships toning it down a bit more

[zenith tundra]

btw cl don't get extra evasion on higher lvl cap

or small either way

plus a 7.5% is a 1/3 of nagato buff so i wouldn't spit on it

[elder crane]

HP % increase for lv 120 is equal to the aviation % increase

[zenith tundra]

we get 110 1st tho

[elder crane]

any eva % increase (which is larger, even on CLs) is a further bonus on top of that

I don't have data for 110, but it should be about the same trend

[coral wren]

Anyone have a maxed aurrora with belgun quad 533 mag torp and bofor and toolbox and anti torp shield? How luch is the power? Cus mine really low at 3.8k

[elder crane]

furthermore, AA stat % increase is on top of that (AA decreases aviation damage)

[zenith tundra]

not max oath tho

[elder crane]

so overall:
burst damage is toned down a bit
aviation damage is decreased significantly (~5-10% conservatively)

[coral wren]

Oh ok. So she can only get so high.

Ty

[zenith tundra]

if math would be everything why nagaka is not trash?

[elder crane]

Nagato buff is super strong and fixes it all

20% more aviation damage, plus the other stuff

[zenith tundra]

and sirius is like 1/4 of that buff alone

how do u think it will be bad

[elder crane]

I never said it would be. All I said is that it doesn't fully offset the lv uncap change, so amkaga gets toned down a bit at lv uncap

[odd schooner]

Ppl really likes to sacrifice princess

[zenith tundra]

or u lose aurora or jintsuu tbh

only other thing u can try is belfast

[odd schooner]

Aurora affects airstrikes too iirc

[azure aurora]

Better lose jintsuu than aurora

[zenith tundra]

instead of aya

[elder crane]

torps blow load early, so they are the first to sacrifice if need to

[zenith tundra]

on offense my aurora is 1st to die tbh because by that time vanguards are gone

maybe not a good idea on def tho

[elder crane]

yeah, it does depend on timing a bit
if death is right before torp timing and enemy vanguard is dead, then maybe losing aurora first is better
if death is right before airstrike timing and enemy vanguard is alive, then aurora should not be the sacrifice

[zenith tundra]

what would u use on belfast with bulge?

[elder crane]

iirc the most eHP is badge on her

[zenith tundra]

she usually dies in airstrikes or against bb 2ndaries

[elder crane]

but I haven't redone the calcs with aurora around, so maybe not anymore

[zenith tundra]

i need badge on aurora/jintsuu on offense tbh

[elder crane]

wait, eHP is better for +HP aux on those two, especially in PvP

why badge there?

[zenith tundra]

aurora uses tear bulge

1st to die needs pearl

bulge is so she doesn't blow up instantly

[elder crane]

wait, do you mean you have badge on aurora/jint, or am I misreading

[odd schooner]

I have the badge on aurora

[zenith tundra]

i have it on jintsuu but i need it on either aurora or jintsuu

[elder crane]

whaaaaaat

why though

[odd schooner]

Want me to put it on aya instead

[elder crane]

place it on amagi, or don't use it even

[zenith tundra]

but i like hit rating on amagi

u know so she can delete stuff

[elder crane]

speed is useful vs BB shots, but is counterproductive vs torps, I think is the current consensus

[zenith tundra]

u need it against 3 bb to dodge something tbh

[elder crane]

amkaga I don't think has too much trouble with any current 3BB setups right now though?

[zenith tundra]

wasd amagi almost never hits my vanguard

[elder crane]

why not on bel then?

she has the higher base HP, and so can make more use of it

[zenith tundra]

belfast is for defense only

i use aya instead on offense

[elder crane]

isn't aurora/jint/aya fast enough to not take much from BB shots already

I'm not convinced the extra speed is really needed

[zenith tundra]

i really like how it works tbh

[odd schooner]

Can't use badgr on amagi, it will ruin my def fleet

[elder crane]

and I think that line already hits the threshold for eating more torps with the +speed
well, it probably doesn't matter too much

[zenith tundra]

aurora is pretty slow tbh when she dies aya jintsuu feels a lot faster

[elder crane]

she's at 32 vs jint's 35, but aya is a speedy 48

[zenith tundra]

i'll go with bulge toolbox for now

9k hp in pvp for belfast

[azure aurora]

Juneau in front insta ded, put her in back immortal

[zenith tundra]

vs amakaga everything dies eitherway

[elder crane]

middle I'm guessing even more immortal?

[zenith tundra]

at least on defense

[elder crane]

try placing in back and toning down her aux

[azure aurora]

Double immortal

[zenith tundra]

what is ur main fleet?

[elder crane]

like go bulge/engine or something

[azure aurora]

Should use boiler to make her squishy

[elder crane]

yep, squishy but zoomy

[azure aurora]

Main fleet amakaga

No i don't play 4 ijn

[zenith tundra]

do u need juneau with that?

[azure aurora]

Yes

[elder crane]

juneau/bel/aurora?

[azure aurora]

Yes

Mid aurora

Belfast to counter foxes and amagi

Juneau just in case something wrong

[ionic magnet]

why not just put aya instead of juneau

if something goes wrong you reset

[azure aurora]

4 ijn

[odd schooner]

Oddly from my tests, the lesser you move, the less chances you eat Torp preventing overheal

Or fortune survivability gets higher

[elder crane]

Yep, that's been noted for a while now, +speed is actively bad vs torps past a certain point

gives a larger chance of "catching" stray torps

[odd schooner]

I think the only time we gotta go fast is with ykkz or saint louis

[elder crane]

the lower cutoff is to have enough speed to outrun the turn rate of magtorps

which in fleets with no CA/Eld, should be easy to reach

[odd schooner]

We need ppl to test portkai too

[zenith tundra]

portland with belfast juneau on defense? i don't see how she would be used without belfast tbh

with beaver she has cl evasion

but it's not affected by aurora

i think that maybe u can use her to actually tank torp because of her high hp

[hybrid tendon]

is nagato + amagi + baga a legit strat

with jintsuu aya yukikaze frontline

or some shit

[zenith tundra]

for jp i think there are better choices than kaga bb

[hybrid tendon]

for E N

who play jp anyway

[zenith tundra]

no nagato here

[hybrid tendon]

later

who could replace baga?

yhyuuga?

oh shit

hyuuga

[zenith tundra]

hyuuga retro is a choice

[hybrid tendon]

its actually GOOD

[zenith tundra]

taihou is a choice if she's available by then

[hybrid tendon]

h m m m

nakaga vs amaga?

🤔

[zenith tundra]

nakaga all day

[hybrid tendon]

tbh amagi need another BB

for example BC akagi

[zenith tundra]

amagi akaga is just because amagi is better then anything else for foxes in en

i still think i'll go with nakaga aurora sirius jintsuu when nagato comes

or even sendai against cas

chances for taihou are low tho she's same event as essex so i guess way after nagato

nagato should be in the next half year so not really that close

by then who knows what other amagi will appear and change everything

[hybrid tendon]

tbh i'd like to have even more variant in pvp

like sub or sth

or cat

[zenith tundra]

that would be interesting indeed

[hybrid tendon]

also

more equips

more planes and guns

with various types

for even more depth

[zenith tundra]

he is supreme in pvp because of burn damage

[hybrid tendon]

ye

then again this game is limited in ww2 tech settings

[dull hollow]

amagi btw

i'm curious if this FW can win at all vs namagi

yup nope

10:0 winrate

[odd schooner]

Where do you slap your beaver

And rudder

[dull hollow]

i just gave the beaver to neptune and rudder to junny to buy her a bit more time

[subtle whale]

how sirius in jp

[coral wren]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc6-NrLKzlY&t=146s

only thing ive seen of sirius gameplay on jp

[odd schooner]

@dull hollow so you went accuracy for namagi?

[dull hollow]

yah give her the FCR and a white shell

to blow ppl up

[odd schooner]

Oh so white shells each for nagato chan and amagi

[dull hollow]

i let taihou be a utility bot tho

most of her damage comes from her skills from what I experience

[odd schooner]

Ye i want that swordfish too

[dull hollow]

that launch sequence makes her launch just before amagi 2nd shelling

so amagi then just flattens the frontline

[odd schooner]

Amagi 2nd shelling is around 28s?

[dull hollow]

idk if it's 28s

but whenever that taihou launches she fires again

[odd schooner]

She uses the gold maingun? The 410?

Kai

[dull hollow]

381*

[odd schooner]

Oh 381

[dull hollow]

i dont hold much stock in the 410 anywhere

some ppl believe in it on coinflip barragers like kaga and nagato

[modern tree]

I am a big fan of unironic susei aka comet

[dull hollow]

410 and the 381kai have very similar shelling dps

but the 410 does have higher burn damage

which is the argueing point for supporters of the 410

but 381kai can push out more barrages

so it depends on what u play for i guess

[odd schooner]

I need shipgirls who uses Comet too

Or i will fail the name Char

[modern tree]

Use Ark with wasd, everyone dropped Eldridge, now it's the time

[dull hollow]

ark meme is

a pretty big meme

[odd schooner]

I think she's too soft

Unless we get.her kai

[dull hollow]

cuz uhhhhh

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

less hp than a CVL btw

centaur gud balans

[modern tree]

Obviously Centaur is better,but EN doesn't have that choice

[dull hollow]

slowstyle doesnt really play well with suicide FW but

i do want to test a centaur ryuusei suicide setup

since the ryuusei are free to dominate

[modern tree]

If you won't then I will and then I will post here every day that this is the best comp by far because I win all my games in 20 seconds against meme fleets

[dull hollow]

i imagine it would do okay

i think ark is overkill though

since ryuuseis target flagships a lot

[hazy rain]

omg Belfast Eldridge Prinz, literally taking no damage

[modern tree]

Ryuusei is kind of too slow to time with 406 so you would use double cuda probably. Maybe it changes at 120 but I doubt it. Double torp with dive bombers is slow af

[dull hollow]

mmm idk that comp sounds like it should be evaporating

[hazy rain]

ohhh wait this time Eldridge randomly died in 5s

[dull hollow]

well the whole point of suicide style FW is that you cut out all the rng of front vs front interactions

ryuusei rng

shelling rng

so using ryuusei on your CV would actaully be pretty good if you choose to play to right CV

ark probably could go with a hybrid setup but ark is a pretty awful ship to play suicide style

could just use Enterprise and have more consistent results

ofc if ur desire is to meme then

by all means meme away

this is bideogame

play how u want

that's no me being confrontational or standoffish like if u wanna run fun comps ur actually allowed to do it xd

chat tones so hard these days with waifu games

[modern tree]

I wasn't planning on taking offense to that. While I respect you about as much as a crazy scientist can respect another, I don't really need your permission to try shit and fail with it. If I don't, nobody will cuz half the people in this chat are on Amagi foxes train and losing interest in pvp because of it

I played that and it's boring. Time to fuck shit up with Ark and conclude Enterprise is better after couple of real fleets wall me

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

hmm i prefer it over the USS meta

[odd schooner]

Imma go meta. It was the mistake i did on gbf

[coral wren]

uss meta made u reset at the very end of the battle, at least now u can tell from the preloaded torps who is gonna win

[hazy rain]

WHY DOES MY ENTY ALWAYS LOSES THE ENTY VS ENTY DUEL???

enemy enty is 10% HP

[ivory vine]

it's a player skill issue

[hazy rain]

my Enty is 80% HP

never see another owarida from my enty again

[dull hollow]

is your enty reloading faster

if it is

it auto loses

in enty vs enty

[hazy rain]

I really want to opt out of this shit ASAP tbh

raising akagakaga

[dull hollow]

enty vs enty not that bad just ensure your enterprise reloads slower

[abstract cypress]

good thing ive retired from pvp

[ivory vine]

tbf if enemy e is at a big health disadvantage

you could just win w/ fighter suicide dmg

[abstract cypress]

amakaga seems bs

[odd schooner]

Ye

Very high winrate

[dull hollow]

pvp is more fun when you have plenty of options to cycle around

[odd schooner]

Best thing to do is stall

[dull hollow]

en cant really answer amakaga

suicide FW missing a lot of tech that makes it good

and LustE showing its age

[odd schooner]

1. Issue is lvl 100

Needs to be 120 to have Battleship dmg up

[dull hollow]

JP can't really answer namagi tho tbh

[abstract cypress]

ive fight once and my wasd seems havin no issue

[dull hollow]

but because we've been sitting on

Nakaga age for so long

having some new tech just feels good

[odd schooner]

@abstract cypress issue is when Washington is on def

[dull hollow]

well HMS can answer namagi

[hazy rain]

I think carriers fall off hard with level 120 because everyone gets like +60 AA while carriers don't get enough aviation to compensate

[odd schooner]

And you're amagi akaga

[dull hollow]

most FW def comps are setup poorly

but regardless even if they play suicide tech

FW is missing tech that makes it strong

akaga is still strong in JP but needs a lot of debuffs

but even still Amagi damage 2 high

[odd schooner]

FW can't retaliate much on suicide comp

[dull hollow]

FW autowins suicide style vs akaga setups in JP

[odd schooner]

Yea

[dull hollow]

but idk if it can keep up without shells and 138s

[abstract cypress]

wtf is suicide style btw

[dull hollow]

play FW kill your frontline

[odd schooner]

I'm currently doing it on EN
The jintsuu juneau ayanami/aurora can't do much vs amagi

But at least Belfast juneau fortune is stalling time

[dull hollow]

stalling time style FW is so bad

because FW shelling is really rng

[coral wren]

i prefer bel/ aur/ jint for van in EN

[dull hollow]

if you're playing stall style play LustE or Akaga

FW has the very low trading potential in front vs front

[abstract cypress]

ic

[dull hollow]

the keystone of FW suicide style is that you are relying on your ability to outmuscle the enemy

this only applies to akaga because u negate 2 of their strikes basically

but if u try that strat vs any non akaga timed comp you get blown the fuck up

suicide style FW doesnt fix their abysmally low damage

it just counters one, admittdly very popular, comp

EN not having HMS options is feelsbad

[coral wren]

monarch when???

[dull hollow]

monarch centaur

so strong

[odd schooner]

@dull hollow oh wait i forgot to mention, almost every FW comp on EN right now ends up suicide strat cause they literally die on 1st airstrike the only difference is that a lot aren't smart enough to protect the backline hp before evaporating

[dull hollow]

"the keystone of FW suicide style is that you are relying on your ability to outmuscle the enemy"

between the 20% damage difference and EN lacking solid tech for suiFW

i wouldnt be surprised if FW still sucks on defense

i have a feeling it is just barely strong enough vs akaga rn

with amagi being a tipping factor

since amagi with FCR + 4 IJN fires in windows when sodak's buff is not active

also no 138 means ur DD gun dps is butts

[odd schooner]

Ye

So right now what FW can do is stall from 35s to 1 minute

But then amagi akaga defense sometimes will force you to reset from what ppl said here before

[dull hollow]

ive actually had

100% winrate

with Namagi so far

vs every non amagi comp

ive had battles where my junny dies in 3s

my nagato gets evaporated by ryuusei

and amagi and taihou just 2v3 nakaga

my shit's not even 120

[odd schooner]

The ryuusei comp would highly require the swordfish?

[dull hollow]

what ryuusei comp

[odd schooner]

Does that mean if i use cuda, i gotta use cuda for now

Akagi swordfish kaga ryuusei

[dull hollow]

no point in going hybrid if u cant use 818

akaga kinda cursed in EN

no double ryuusei

yuck

no 818 either

[odd schooner]

Double

I can do that

Wait is it really worth to go double

[dull hollow]

yeah it's a perfectly fine playstyle

i commited to double

you play for distinct 2 wincondition

frontline delete or flagship delete

[dull hollow]

hybrid setup plays only for frontline delete

[odd schooner]

Isn't it like coinflip

[dull hollow]

not as bad as ppl think it is

i used to think it was terrible cuz everytime I fight ryuusei on defender it sucks

but that's cuz of positioning diffference

ryuusei drop better attacker side

so going double is fine

sometimes u do get rng'd tho

but at least u know to just reset fast

instead of sitting around

how EN even get 2 ryuusei wutface

madman farmers

[odd schooner]

We didn't get ykkz tho

Not rerun

[ivory vine]

i didnt even get reppu

cuz i started like halfway through vdir

maybe even more than halfway through

barely even beat b3

[odd schooner]

There's these awesome ppl who farmed both

They got 2 ryuu 2 reppu

Or maybe I'm just lazy

Actually maybe lazy

Everyone still grinding

I'm here doing infinite loop pvp tries

Send help

And my argument is always invalid

[supple stratus]

Best aux for Belfast?

[abstract cypress]

155, rainbow mag, bofor, box, bulge

[half silo]

Wouldn‘t say optimal/best but mine looks like this

[real notch]

that looks pretty optimal to me

[half silo]

Oh I see

I‘m no expert so I wasn‘t sure

[coral wren]

mines similar to urs, just diff aa gun

[vague token]

wow, amakaga without jintsuu front is pretty sad

[half silo]

Why do you think so?

[vague token]

they just arent threatening

i can just steamroll a front with a CA and belfast

ezpz

[half silo]

For me I‘d say it depends on comp

My jintsuu is currently lvling

[vague token]

yeah, frontlines without jintsuu dont push out enough damage

against my minn/belfast/aurora

and i just straight up outgun them

[half silo]

Ooh

[vague token]

plus there's no backline pressure cause the torps and reload arent boosted

[half silo]

I‘m just going in like that

[vague token]

xD

[half silo]

Gonna change laffey with jintsuu soon enough

[vague token]

i should go back to 10-4 but i probably wont use her since port kai is soon

[nova storm]

Just get her regardless 😃

[half silo]

[vague token]

i know xD, ive been farming c2 for belgun designs

cause i need 1 more

[half silo]

When rng is a bit generous then you‘ll get a whole belgun in a day

[vague token]

im at like 12/15

oh hey it's the redhead guy

[half silo]

Even better

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

PR WHEN

I NEED THAT MONARCH SKIN

@vague token your ign is with 1 right

[modern tree]

After a couple of games I can rather confidently say that while Ark is still a big meme, it is just powerful enough to win games without resetting and that's probably good enough for me, gonna run real tests when I am off work

[odd schooner]

@dark nova

actually that happens if i don't use Belfast

[dark nova]

My foxes are just trying to enjoy the beach

[odd schooner]

Experiment time

Oh and win rate sharply increases with Belfast

Idk juneau tho

So like 60-40 turns to 90-10

[dark nova]

Yeah Belfast makes it super easy

[odd schooner]

60 having that atker buff

Should be 50-50 but that atker buff sometimes kill one frontline off

Trying out Jesus Yamato now

@dark nova are you using vf17

[dark nova]

Reppu and Vf17

[odd schooner]

I guess she's doing her job not sure how i could compare her to Belfast

Maybe, frontline dies but healthy backline

Better pic

Without the burn she was at 30%

Okay so:
Belfast makes your frontline live long enough for them to reach backline while having both allied and enemy backline on equal hp footing

Juneau on the other hand would have both frontline dead but the tradeoff is that your backline will have more hp (test above does not have pearl tears)

I seriously think pvp needs more hp than x2 but eh

We got this so ye

[subtle whale]

x100

[odd schooner]

[dark nova]

Imo frontline alive is better since opponent only has Amagi to counterattack it, otherwise airstrike uses their dive bombers on it

Diverts a lot of damage

[odd schooner]

Ye

[subtle whale]

i accidentally retired my hiryuu

[odd schooner]

So basically juneau is a rank lower than Belfast

@subtle whale farm another one

[subtle whale]

[odd schooner]

[dark nova]

Another raichu fan

[subtle whale]

[odd schooner]

Do it on hard mode

[subtle whale]

ill just run it normally

after im done reaching 50k points

[analog hare]

My doge sometimes steal MVP in exercise

mwf exercise filled with akaga/amakaga

[azure aurora]

Still using wasd and hiryuu

[odd schooner]

@analog hare and it's hard to test some fleets too cause defense 380mm users does worse than 406/410 lmao

[native mantle]

the funny thing is my belfast+aya+juneau did better then the opponents jintsu+aya+aurora. we both had a amakagi backline and he had 2k more power in both lines

[odd schooner]

Well technically juneau has higher % on winning as explained above

[azure aurora]

Really tired vs amakaga with jintsuu aya Aurora

That cancer meta

Will use Portland belfast and juneau to counter it later

[odd schooner]

We need further test to that later

Since we're talking about lvl 100 CA

[azure aurora]

Must eq her with beaver

Wish 110 coming soon

CA not too good for pvp in lv 100 cap

[odd schooner]

Idk man feels like she won't last long enough or do enough for the fleet

But first

We need live test

[hot creek]

HMS seems to be doing fine against this Amakaga "meta"

imo wasdA and wasdE are way more cancer to battle against

[pastel forge]

ye amakaga isn't really annoying on def, I believe wasdA juneau+2 is the most cancerous def currently

[subtle whale]

juneau belfast fortune

[analog hare]

[stoic vector]

wasdA? what's the A?

[modern tree]

Amagi

It's a pretty good comp that unfortunately relies heavily on rng for damage, but fortunately lives very long to hedge this bet

By rng I mean torps, 2 70% chance barrages, 30% chance for double damage, 50% chance per projectile to set fires etc. You aren't really doing anything without those

[native mantle]

its a shame without washi ya only have akagami....

the time when ya noticed some of ya vanguards had the manual torps not the auto home torps equipped......

[zenith tundra]

u can farm gold homing quad with graf spee event. they're so much better imo

[modern tree]

I have got to admit that while I dislike Helena, she works quite well with wasd amagi by the virtue of her proc being higher chance and higher impact than relying on torps for offense

[zenith tundra]

tbh torpedoes are pretty weird but with amakaga it usually doesn't matter because vanguard still gets heavy damaged by your backline attacks even if u never torp them against mostly of the comps and if torp miss vanguard they'll damage enemy main fleet. if torp hit vanguard they're 100% dead by akaga airstrike and then you have your torpedo fleet right in front of enemy backlines which usually annihilate them. it's ridiculously hard to lose either way

everything not maxed out and focused on defense is like nonexistent for amakaga especially because amagi is almost as strong as killing vanguard as akaga itself. even if she doesn't barrage her defensive buff will make sure your akaga will have another chance at the 2nd airstrike

[modern tree]

The thing is that with so many random things in the fleet, adding another slightly higher than coin flip chance to win does fine. You don't need it to proc every game or at all, fleet was doing fine without it, but with it it's just either good or you highroll barrage and focus with radar scan and you win instantly

[zenith tundra]

on cl u use bulge/badge/pearl/toolbox

plenty of choices especially since bulge is mandatory on ALL ships that can equip it

at least for vanguard

on offense no reason not to run aya tbh

her damage is actually insane

the only ship i would switch her with would be sirius because makes akaga even better

[modern tree]

Depends on when she sinks, which is actually all over the place now.

I run her with 2 boilers and shes basically invincible

Dumb carriers

[zenith tundra]

i don't really see juneau as an alternative because u really just autowin like 95% of the time with amakaga aurora jintsuu aya

[modern tree]

You don't seem to see any option aside for the one that worked for you, honestly. You sound like a broken record

Play amakaga with toooorps, it wiiiiins

[zenith tundra]

ur right but ur running the most offensive backline to date

i don't really see why not go for easy wins

[modern tree]

Because it's rather easy to stagnate if you have nothing to try or work on

[zenith tundra]

everyone is free to try what they want

i have sirius coming

then i can see if aya dmg or more akaga dmg is better

i want to run that tbh

also u no longer run aya and use triple bulge which is so much better against torp vanguards

that's exactly what i expect with sirius on en tbh

[modern tree]

Sendai is probably better than Sirius and the latter probably won't change anything

[zenith tundra]

her stat line is not better then belfast tbh

without buff all she has is barrage and dps

her base stats without skill are sandys

she gets fp buff which makes her so much better than sandy tho

she's a gunboat with torpedoes

and only really gets insane with cvs

dd maingun tho

u just permashoot with dd guns

hit rating too

[modern tree]

Her base fp is not impressive and increasing it by percentages puts it at "okay", her efficency is low for a gunboat, her torps dont exist

[zenith tundra]

even with like 4% extra dmg or something like that the extra hit and a strong gunboat in front is so much more appealing to me than aya tbh

her barrage is what matters tbh

u can even run 76mm for memes tbh

[modern tree]

Her niche is to make cvs more powerful and she barely does that too. It's just a barrage cl that heavily relies on synergy to be acceptable. Having high AA doesn't matter cus so does Aurora

[coral wren]

Her barrage that activates from shooting is not the impressive one

[modern tree]

She will be standin for Sendai at best

Cuz hitrate is objectively worse than lowering evasion rate

[zenith tundra]

but i don't see the reason why u wouldn't run both tbh

she's purely nagato helper with foxes/bunnies

might be usable in w12

the problem is that enty is way worse than amagi

maybe u can run sirius in some meme us comp like essex enty something

[modern tree]

I don't see why you would run more than 2 debuffs in a fleet and you would always play Sendai and Aurora given choice. Last boat has to be something that gives you an edge in a mirror so Belfast Juneau or Ykkz or something. Can't afford going all in

[zenith tundra]

1st we don't have sendai and 2nd sirius is 100% chance vs 40% sendai

[modern tree]

Sirius is just not quite good enough, but I suspect with her aa she will be good pve

[zenith tundra]

sendai is a coin flip with torpedoes

sirius is actual buff

with a barrage

[modern tree]

Sendai drops flare always, like Belfast smoke. Torps have more impact than peashooter

[zenith tundra]

oh my bad

[modern tree]

Sendai debuff is better

[zenith tundra]

read it wrong it seems

still no sendai for us

[modern tree]

I did say she will be a standin for Sendai cuz we have to get w11 and then farm, while Sirius is just get gatcha

[zenith tundra]

and she's a w11 drop not free tbh

[modern tree]

But you will likely drop her as soon as you have functional Sendai cuz it's not really a contest

[zenith tundra]

eh whatever i'll try and see for myself tbh

[modern tree]

Or you can play her because you owthed her and bought a skin, that works too

[zenith tundra]

i only brought 1 skin for enty that's about it

[modern tree]

Not everything has to be optimized, but Sirius is objectively not a doom approaching

She's a boat

It will be neat, but not oppressive

[zenith tundra]

the problem is as of now amakaga is already bis. and it's only getting buffed with sirius imo

even sendai will be just a amakaga buff

the point is there is 1 way ahead of us and it's amakaga till nagato

unless they release some other amagi for other formations it's amakaga till nagato

tbh i wasn't expecting amagi to work so well with foxes but the quick barrage synergizes too well with foxes preemptive strike

[vague token]

amakaga is still kinda glassy without jintsuu front though

like, if they run something that isnt jintsuu/belfast/x you can just live through all of it xD

[zenith tundra]

i need actual opponents to try stuff tbh. all i see is memes

or not maxed out comps

[vague token]

friend and guild free pvp when

[modern tree]

Amakaga is not "opressive", you kind of just say that cuz you win with it. Nobody here loses to it, nobody sits here trying to find a way to beat it without running a mirror. How is this opressive

It's a comp

[zenith tundra]

i never used the world oppressive in my lines. just saying that on offense it has no challenge

[vague token]

technically it'd be oppressive if the win rate is in its favor on defense

like 40:60 or 30:70

but im pretty sure it isnt

[zenith tundra]

i need to find a comp where i lose tbh

[modern tree]

I don't get how it would be bis either. I have not lost with wasd Ark today, all my games ended on ark airstrike. Doesn't mean its a best thing to do

[zenith tundra]

en is not fun because people meme

[vague token]

i tried running ark

but it felt like she didnt do damage without her proc

[zenith tundra]

i want to see actual comps in defense not some wedding ships with trash names

[vague token]

so i swapped back to triple guns

but i dont have jintsuu so i cant sweep the front xD

i dont have akagi

lol

[zenith tundra]

i'll run eldridge/belfast/juneau front for memes instead of aurora jintsuu aya to see how bad it is

[vague token]

sometimes ark just died in the first air strike + amagi barrage too

she's too squishy for a 20 second air strike

cause she got clipped by a crit torp

or aurora was already dead so her air strike missed the vanguard

lots of rip

[modern tree]

My ark never took much damage from anything, weird

[pastel forge]

I really like ark when I was using her a while back tbh, I reckon it's much better now cause there's way less eld around

[modern tree]

I will record games when I am home

[vague token]

i liked using ark even during eldridge meta

cause ive been using minne for a while

so i can just shoot vanguards down

and then get covered by my own eldridge

and ark with double cuda pressures the back more than the front technically

but because there's so much spike early, that doesnt work anymore

but no jintsuu who cares

can roll those easy

xD

[zenith tundra]

i want to see how bad this is

[native mantle]

ya miss the 4th IJN

[odd schooner]

I'm just waiting for a +1 this reset so i could finally sleep

[zenith tundra]

eldridge is so bad tbh

[native mantle]

just switch elridge for aya

[vague token]

eldridge wont add too much considering most medium armor goes down

before the 20

[odd schooner]

Ye technically juneau doesn't insta die on offense

Tried it earlier

Just so happen 20% atk kills off front juneau on def

[zenith tundra]

without aurora is actually hard to kill stiuff

[odd schooner]

Also I got the idea of removing extra speed cause of it

Less speed less random torpedo to eat

The longer for fortune to live in

She's ok to die on airstrike

Her main purpose is opening torps

Referring to different fleet btw but the juneau topic is good on all fleet

Offensive Juneau doesn't easily die

[zenith tundra]

why do people meme

such a nice comp why run bad setup on it

[odd schooner]

One time big time ayanami torp i guess

Try checking it out

[zenith tundra]

i can spam new opponent 100 times and not find 1 single decent comp to try against it's so sad

[native mantle]

i had beat that same comp this night with my aya, jun, belfast with 2k power difference

[odd schooner]

Tfw I'm meeting my friend on a daily basis now

[native mantle]

wtf since 6 hours no sandbagging possible....

[modern tree]

How interesting would be watching about any comp you can think of tried in pvp in real time, considering I can just stream my games instead of recording them since the latter seems rather boring and pointless if the only interested part is myself and I can see the games.

[native mantle]

btw will be the comeing port kai be usefull for pvp?

[modern tree]

Hard to say because we dont really have access to CAs that have evasion this high to even compare. Her medium armour and low speed is pure detriment but her health pool, evasion and FP might be able to offset it. All of that said, the only comp she could probably fit in would be Belfast/other smoke Juneau and Portland, which is not bad but I am not sure what backline would want to run it

[native mantle]

i running atm akagami+belfast+jun+aya and was just wondering if port kai would be usefull there

[modern tree]

Shes a tank that hits pretty hard with just guns. It's not really a niche that any boat on EN fills atm. Everything is either super tanky with no damage or a varying degree of torpedo glass canon

so it will be interesting to see

[gritty cove]

Yeah kinda on the fence of trying out port kai just because of the speed

[native mantle]

i think i could only switch jun for port, cause i need my aya for amagi and belfast for all that akagas

[modern tree]

I think that while Juneau on offense is probably not absolutely necesary, Portland has really high HP so heal on her is much better than any other frontliner no, Eugen, you are not a real boat

and no Juneau means your AA power goes way down. I think that I'd sooner replace Belfast with an IJN than Juneau if you want to run Portland with that

[native mantle]

hmm that would only let belfast for port

[modern tree]

And Jintsuu does nothing for Portland so it becomes pretty awkward

[gritty cove]

I don't even use belf because I need my frontline to die anyways

[native mantle]

don't have jintsu now so that isn't even a option

and no aurora too

so i think it will come to aya+jun+portland instead of jun+aya+belfast

[modern tree]

I was pretty sure that was the case but I felt like this information is good to put out there regardless. With all the IJN power creep you'd think we would get a frontliner that isnt trash by now.

[vague token]

pr boats lets go

[modern tree]

other than mistress of torps that again, does nothing for CAs

[vague token]

jk

[native mantle]

btw why is that pr louis that hyped?

[vague token]

35% he damage

[modern tree]

because PR louis is a CL with a CA gun and stats

[native mantle]

i readed her skills but don't fully understand the reason

[vague token]

35% evade is good

oh and MGM+1 ;)

[native mantle]

ah k. i assume we will waiting some months until we get research in EN

[modern tree]

Imagine a really big Belfast, really big and beefy maid, big enough to equip a real gun instead of pure trash that is CL gun pool and big enough to just tank hits forever while putting this oversized gun to use. It's PR Louis. She doesnt have any of the problems CAs have. No problem with speed, no problem with evasion, with all of the benefits of being a CA, big health, big gun, big stats.

[vague token]

she has the same base durability as port kai, but then toss in a Speed and Evade skill

and a better version of Belfast he skill

[modern tree]

seriously, CL guns are so bad.

[vague token]

like wow, 35% damage

on HE

that's big damage

xD

[analog hare]

is trio ROC good in pvp ?

[dull hollow]

houston meme

wew big spicy

tbh

every CA at 120

no longer has evasion issues

they sit on like 70-80 evasion

USN ones clock in at 60 but u usually default to a beaver/wheel on CAs anyway

[real notch]

yat sen is like a fishing boat

OMEGALUL

[livid fractal]

I have a question, if I lost my connection during PvP then I won but the system gave me 0 points.. was it considered as a win or not?

I actually don't know if I gained points or not.. and my attacked was actually used.

[modern tree]

It depends on whether the result was uploaded to the server or not. If it didnt, you should see the same opponents, if it did, then you should have your points and new oponents

[livid fractal]

I got different players after the attack was used, but it's bothering me if its a win or lose

[lofty smelt]

We wouldn't be able to tell unless your score changed

If it didn't, it's a loss

[elder crane]

It never counts as a loss unless you lose and have connection to server
I'm pretty sure it's impossible to lose if you win the match, no matter how the connection status is

[livid fractal]

[dull hollow]