pvp

[vague token]

xD

[ivory vine]

i wish

[vague token]

oxytorp tirpitz lol

[ivory vine]

i need it for the memes

[hybrid tendon]

well those hit for like 600 a pop

at skill level 6

so

its ok for fireboats

[vague token]

oh, isnt that pretty high actually?

can never tell

[hybrid tendon]

yea

I reckon it would be like 800

at skill level 10

so

not bad

and they are clustered

[ivory vine]

it's like 1k iirc for tirpitz ones

[vague token]

i think amagi torps hit for like 200 to 300 on light armor

[ivory vine]

kaga/amagi torps hit for jack shit

[vague token]

xD

[hybrid tendon]

amagi's torps is a part of her barrage

lul

[vague token]

i know

[hybrid tendon]

Yamato would be summon a meteor at this point

just look at that barrage

[ivory vine]

inb4 yamato gets a sanshikidan barrage

[vague token]

more like yamato must move to her main fleet spot

[ivory vine]

just like kirishima

[vague token]

with her speed under 10

yamato boiler meta

[hybrid tendon]

sanshikidan barrage with 10x more damage?

holy shit

[vague token]

xD

[hybrid tendon]

[vague token]

isnt that just a rain of he shells at 10x

it does like 200 per pellet

[hybrid tendon]

the line between OP and decent is narrow

amagi could do without her blue skill or her yellow skill

and would still be pretty decent

[vague token]

id rather she have the yellow

debuff teaaam

i tried tennessee as well but too slow

[hybrid tendon]

is she the first ship with 3 different color skills?

🤔

[vague token]

dunno

[ivory vine]

iirc essex has 3 diff colored ones

[hybrid tendon]

USS meta when

enterprise retrofit into starship enterprise

[vague token]

ill try essex/amagi/tenn, should help survivability

whenever essex shows

tenn retro when xD

[dull hollow]

tenn wtf

u crazy en kids and ur meme setups

[vague token]

she is terrible

but she has a debuff

i wanted to believe but she triggers too late and has no damage

amagi power creeps her skill in every way possible

not even counting the defense skill and barrage

=/

[hybrid tendon]

Well

She better be worth my 360 cubes

[dull hollow]

just run essexe and centaur and enjoy oneshotting people

[vague token]

kek

[ivory vine]

i will

[dull hollow]

as long as ur frontline doesnt int

[hybrid tendon]

And 110$

[ivory vine]

but we gotta get essex first

[dull hollow]

which is pretty tall order

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

[ivory vine]

think sirius would work well w/ essex lineups?

or do they not even need the more damage?

[vague token]

hit rate maybe?

[elder crane]

CV hitrate on one hand is really low and can use the increase, on the other hand suicide damage ignores evasion and doesn't care

[ivory vine]

btw does suicide damage scale like normal strike damage?

w/ eff/aviation stats?

[elder crane]

Yep, iirc

also scales with remaining % plane HP, down to 30% of max capped (1% HP plane does same as 30% HP plane iirc)

Also, since sirius is % acc stat buff, with how acc scales, it's better on high acc ships that low ones probably

The more I think about it, the more I think the 10% plane dmg was added to offset fact that CVs really can't use the hit stat % buff

[dull hollow]

i never ran debuffers with essex e

they do just fine

[odd schooner]

They're really just good right

[dull hollow]

the thing with triple CV back is you rly need

ur front to not int

so using a debuffer

is a bad idea

[elder crane]

Yeah, if enemy frontline closes it's a pain for CV-Heavy teams to try to deal with them

[dull hollow]

sirius rly just there for nakaga

or amakaga I guess

since sirius emulates nagato buff

[elder crane]

The amount of -eva +hit you can stack is getting a bit ridiculous

[hybrid tendon]

hmm

[elder crane]

Aurora Sendai Sirius Nagato

[hybrid tendon]

an amagi nagato lineup\

[elder crane]

Though, +hitrate has diminishing returns

[hybrid tendon]

is gonna be lit

[dull hollow]

even for nakaga u want to only take 2 debuffers and have a junny or yukikaze as ur last

nakaga pretty mellow now tho

namagi 2 strong

just plows thru every comp i fight lol

[ivory vine]

yukikaze

what a ship

[elder crane]

The question is which debuffers to take

[dull hollow]

u take 0 debuffers

2 tank 1 junny

comp doesnt need debuffers

it focuses on pressuing backline anyway

[elder crane]

no, for akaga type teams

[hybrid tendon]

everytime ppl mention yukikaze

[dull hollow]

akaga u take 2 of the 3

[hybrid tendon]

i was like

taimanin?

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

or just play 2 tank 1 junny

[hybrid tendon]

[ivory vine]

prob sendai and one of the others

[elder crane]

Why take tank when you can make battle faster
Not like offense has any trouble winning right now

[dull hollow]

2 tank 1 junny nakaga wors fine as well

[coral wren]

lol facing a Kaga Baga Akagi comp

it looks so cute

[hybrid tendon]

not lvl 120 roon

do you even grind sir

[coral wren]

next is Lvl.399 Roon Kai

thats how azur lane works

[pearl nimbus]

[supple stratus]

My 10K HMS fleet beat an 11K fleet

I'm surprised

[lone pendant]

my 11k barrage fleet beat 13k

so good

[vague token]

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CCsR8/92d6c9cf58.png so close to matching power

[vague token]

oh wow

[velvet fossil]

For my amakaga bel/aurora fleet, would ayaya or juneau be better?

For offense*

[dull hollow]

warspite kai leaked

dont fucking run ayaya on attacker lmao

[elder crane]

Aya since you should have no trouble winning with that team and Aya makes matches faster

If not maxed, then Juneau is much more reliable, so better for winrate probably.

Unless, ofc, you're quite undermax, then Aya for the RNG pray

Aya is great for acceleration on teams that win anyways, or as hail Mary to bridge a gap

[dull hollow]

sirius is probably the better slot there if you're actually concerned about time to kill

[elder crane]

You're in the EN server discord XD

[dull hollow]

dont you guys have sirius

or did you get the pepega version of the event

im pretty sure you guys have sirius tho

[elder crane]

We don't even have event yet

[dull hollow]

jebaited by reddit

[elder crane]

CE is still running

[dull hollow]

whoops slippin slippin

anyway

ayaya, or any torp focused attacker

garbage

outside of FW suicide style

[elder crane]

Plus, he didn't give Sirius as an option XD

[ivory vine]

we get sirius tho

just gotta wait for event

[dull hollow]

you reset twice with ayaya vs getting a consistent win with junny

i'll take the consistent win thx

[elder crane]

Right now on EN amkaga has near 100% winrate

[dull hollow]

bel aurora doesnt even have jintsu to get huge buffs

[elder crane]

There's no need to run better ships over faster ships

[dull hollow]

ayanami is just not good for pvp

[elder crane]

Plus, again, he didn't give jint as an option, so he probs doesn't have

[dull hollow]

wait that comp

is missing a 4th IJN

[elder crane]

Like, yeah, would've ran Aurora over poi last few weeks
But I just got her today

[dull hollow]

go farm jintsuu

or slot ayanami as a stop gap I guess

IJN is pretty pepega shaped as far as frontliners go

until you have yukikaze

[elder crane]

Eh, amagi Accel isn't fully necessary

[dull hollow]

amagi accel

is what makes her good lol

you're always up a barrage over the other guy

it's fucking stupid

stacks with FCR too shit's so gross

[elder crane]

Again, EN has no really good def teams right now, so suboptimal options work fine

[dull hollow]

it's also why I think FW amagi is ass

cuz u either choose to forgo junny

or the FCR effect

you cant have both

losing like 25% max fleet hp or losing the strongest FCR effect

[ivory vine]

gib ijn jesus

[dull hollow]

not a good way to go

[ivory vine]

[elder crane]

And FWamagi I can still have high win% vs top teams even with ghetto frontlines
EN defense is just a joke

[dull hollow]

if JP def comps are alrady this pepega idk what EN looks like

[elder crane]

I'm trying to test stuff, but everything wins

[dull hollow]

sirius gonna make some waves tho

since she emulates nagato buff

[elder crane]

Has it been confirmed we get rerun version?

[dull hollow]

isnt it in your twitter feed idk

[dull hollow]

[elder crane]

Huh, they really rushing out content then

I expected we'd get original first

[ivory vine]

no reason to not run rerun tbh

i am glad they didnt run vdir rerun initially tho

[elder crane]

Well, WC was pretty small one in original version I guess

[ivory vine]

cuz then i prob wouldve missed ykkz

[hybrid tendon]

who cares

[dull hollow]

tfw ykkz is the only good ijn tank for front

[hybrid tendon]

I want to catch up

gas gas gas

[dull hollow]

and even still dumb bitch gets evaporated

[hybrid tendon]

gotta step on the gas

[ivory vine]

yeah but i started in vdir

[dull hollow]

FeelsDDMan

pepegshaped HP and AA stat

[ivory vine]

so i prob would've missed her

[dull hollow]

[ivory vine]

and missing ykkz

[elder crane]

Inb4 you jinx it and miss an important ship

[ivory vine]

yeah

inb4 we get rerun

and i go like 500 cubes w/o her

or miss nagato

[hybrid tendon]

yikes

[lofty smelt]

pls gib Yukikaze

[vague token]

ijn has a juneau, she's just 60% chance to activate and the heal is less

so what's the point lol

(cause it triggers on anyone from the team dying lol)

[hybrid tendon]

juneau is still t1 in every pvp lineup

i just dont want to use her

like really

[vague token]

it's sad that one of the best pvp ships exists to die, yet doesnt have any skin support

[hybrid tendon]

get her a jesus skin

[vague token]

xD

[velvet fossil]

late response but thanks for the help @elder crane

ive been farming overtime to try and replace bel with jintsuu

[vague token]

use both ;)

[odd schooner]

We need jesus robe

Or something like liberty skin

[vague token]

i dunno what i would want from a juneau skin

[lone pendant]

heh

[modern tree]

It's a 10 or 20 merits you will never get back for camping this hard

[dull hollow]

even with my amagi failing 2 barrages in a row i out muscled him

[vague token]

taihoe too thick with the armor

xD

[dull hollow]

what taihou offers is just way more than hiryuu tbh

hiryuu all u get is 1 extra strike

that's not rly that gud lul

taihou can roll a bazillion things that deal quite a bit of damage

[ivory vine]

yeah but then you're using taihoe

doesnt sound worth it to me

[vague token]

oof

[dull hollow]

solo good ijn cv doko

taihou y u have pepega shaped reload

i just use mine as a utility bot

[modern tree]

I spent an evening with 4 boilers on my frontline and they are not even blowing up as fast as I have imagined they would

[dull hollow]

i will never buy into the boiler meme because of perfect speed glitching

[modern tree]

Elaborate

[dull hollow]

there is a band of speed

where your ships movement cause mag torps to bug out

and turn away from your ships

for me 2 CL 1 DD and a beaver thrown in

achieves this

ur still fast enough to dodge BB shells

and u dont collect magtorps like powerups

and u protect your backline by pushing maggys away

[modern tree]

I am running 3cls with 4 boilers so I guess I have reached about this speed

[dull hollow]

oh yeah 3 CL is pepega as shit

u might need a boiler or few to reach good speed

probably dont need 4 tho

[modern tree]

I felt like I do, I dropped oxy torp for it

its doing pretty good

and also I am running fw amagi so if they die its okay

just eat the torps

[dull hollow]

fw amagi eventually gonna feel the burn

you have to pick FCR effect or Junny

not having both will be rly awkward when u get paired against stronger comps

that admitddly dont exist in EN yet

[modern tree]

Honestly, while I totally expect just Sirius, not even Nagato, to start outpowering it, by the virtue of running Aurora Sirius Akaga Enterprise and just dropping bombs

but for now its probably the most consistent comp I have used

and I dont like reseting because my frontline shat the bed and foxes cant carry their asses by themselves

which doesnt happen often, but any case is failing more often than fw amagi so far

but also when people start using Sirius I will start bombing them with HMS again so I think I am the winner here

[ivory vine]

hms feels like comp

but i guess w/ dork it will prob feels a lot less garbage

[modern tree]

its in a bad space right now, Amagi on every lineup really fucks with both Hood and Warpite

[ivory vine]

idk even w/o amagi

i was just testing

and putting hiryu across from hood

is the biggest meme

[vague token]

lol

[modern tree]

def HMS always had no power

[ivory vine]

well you cant control positioning on def

id doesnt matter what ppl use on offense tbh

you can just reset til you win anyway

[modern tree]

It will matter less if both flanks are ridic barrages

or Centaur

[ivory vine]

well

monarch/centaur

are actually scary

ws isnt at all

dork is a bit scary

[vague token]

ws needs glasses and her retro xD

[modern tree]

WS will be scary yet

[vague token]

so she doesnt whiff for no reason

[ivory vine]

ws biggest meme

missing barrage

how does that even work

like

main fleet doesnt move

[dull hollow]

hms just need centaur and monarch u'll run over fools

[modern tree]

I like that the spread of Divine Marksman can make it physically whiff

[ivory vine]

coincidentally monarch/centaur are the only hms ships i actually kinda like

[modern tree]

it's quite an ability

[ivory vine]

hood is ok i guess

but i dont like ws/qe

[dull hollow]

tfw ppl ask if mikasa is good in pvp

[modern tree]

to miss a stationary target while boasting about your marksmanship

[ivory vine]

dork is ok design wise but idk how i like using her til i get her in game

[dull hollow]

dork showed up to a pool filled with amagi and wash

[ivory vine]

dont booli grandma

[dull hollow]

probably the tied best sidelaner sheller EN has access to tho

[modern tree]

I am still gonna try suicide front and Dork with a quad to delay the first shot and blow up fools

[vague token]

what is dork's barrage pattern anyways?

xD

[modern tree]

Its probably gonna be exactly as bad as it sounds

[ivory vine]

but

you get to have higher main fleet power

[dull hollow]

dork's barrage is garanteed every 20s

fires like 4 shots dealing meh damage

that come with a meh slow

but her main shelling applies a 12% helena style debuff

[ivory vine]

yeah but

make sure the quad debuffs for nothing

[dull hollow]

and her first shelling does like 50% increased damage or some weird shit

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

well the first set of shells will debuff for the rest

afaik

[ivory vine]

but quad is slow than everything else

[dull hollow]

idk I didnt get doy last year was busy with kancolle and school

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

why would you use

a quad

ever

[ivory vine]

that was the meme

[dull hollow]

[vague token]

why use quad to tag when you can sanshiki

[ivory vine]

[vague token]

if you're going to meme

xD

[modern tree]

50% more damage on first shot, 4 shells, 3 volleys, every volley debuffs with 12%

[ivory vine]

but

what is timed after the quad

maybe like amagi 2nd barrage

or some shit

actually idr how slow the quad even is

[modern tree]

she can buff her own damage depending on targets she picks, also you are running suicide explicityl so all the shots go vs the backline

quad is not even gonna be that slow between QE and Hood buffs

might actually still be too fast because of it heh

[ivory vine]

does affection stats stack additively w/ buffs or multiplicatively?

[vague token]

what the, someone is is using kaga

bb version lol

i was super scared

then i was like oh freeee

[ivory vine]

it's (base x 1.12 + equip) x buffs right?

assuming 200 aff

[modern tree]

I think affection is only for base stats

so that seems about right

[ivory vine]

im only getting 25s for the quad reload time

w/o hood buff tho

cuz that takes effort

not being active from start of battle

[modern tree]

hood buffs at 15s and will knock down 4 seconds off it at most

[ivory vine]

that was w/o gold fcr cuz id assume you keep it on hood

[modern tree]

obviously

[ivory vine]

does the dmg buff apply to all 3 mgm

or just the first one?

[vague token]

the first shot should be just the first hit, but then she debuffs so the next hits do more anyways?

is that how it works?

[ivory vine]

the 50% dmg buff

what exactly counts as a salvo

[modern tree]

who knows

[ivory vine]

the entire series of main gun shots

[modern tree]

actually

[ivory vine]

or just the first gun mount

[modern tree]

this idea would work much better with Jean Bart gun

quad might just be bad

[ivory vine]

quad is just bad

but it might be so bad you cant even gimmick it

[modern tree]

Only one way to find out

[ivory vine]

wait for the event

[modern tree]

Been doing that for months, playing day 1 HMS is great and all but its about time we get an option to change things up a bit

[hybrid tendon]

every time I saw an ayaya jintsuu aurora death squad

i just broke out my eugen

and was like haHAA

[modern tree]

Ha ha what? Ha ha my Eugen is dead to torps?

[hybrid tendon]

you would be surprised

eugen outlived them all

[modern tree]

I totally would be

[hybrid tendon]

the thing is

the frontline's job is just to survive

[modern tree]

debatable

[hybrid tendon]

and sometime high evasion just doesnt quite cut it

torp deathsquad got 1 shotted by amaga combo

like GONE

you cant deal damage

if you are dead

[modern tree]

the damage is preloaded torps tho

[hybrid tendon]

you cant burst down prinz

with those tiny little damages

[odd schooner]

Remember my friend whom I'm trying out amagi Washington fleet

[hybrid tendon]

inb4 not working

[modern tree]

you do realize jintsuu torp crit for 5k

[odd schooner]

He renamed all ships to H series

[hybrid tendon]

on pve

I have tested firsthand in pvp

[modern tree]

no, in pvp

[hybrid tendon]

[odd schooner]

I just did 7.3k yesterday

Although my only recorded torp crit is 6k

Wait imma bring it up

Meeting my mirror this early means i can do a lot of stuff

Brb

[pastel forge]

I saw an 8k something aya crit before, was too fast to record

[odd schooner]

Pretty sure she's hitting med armor like amagi but it's hard to pin point now

They just happen

Wait, hood is also med

Is the crit dmg not stable increase

[pastel forge]

actually no idea the exact formula, highest dmg should be against heavy tho

[gilded atlas]

yeah mine did a 8k on wash

[odd schooner]

[dusk wolf]

guys for my front line i got aya laffey cleve and z23
backline is amagi akagi kaga and enter
Which 6 shud i use?

[elder crane]

amkaga definitely in that list

[coral wren]

with wasdamagi, what should be the vanguard formation for jin+aur+june? june mid, jin bot and aur top?

[native mantle]

june bot

her heal is useless if she don't die

[elder crane]

Juneau either top or bottom, you want her to die at a time that maximizes healing, and vs some teams top is too dangerous for her, vs others bottom is too safe

[coral wren]

Well, but if you are facing mirror or desron she shoulkd be mid, right? So she doesn't die to opening torps

[elder crane]

opening torps don't really hurt the 3rd vanguard that much, really it's just the lead ship at risk

[pastel forge]

bel probably fits better there rather than aurora

[elder crane]

homings usually lock onto closest ship,
and if closest ship is back ship, then it's unlikely they'll hit
for normals, nuking only happens for point-blank charges, which means your lead ship is in front

[coral wren]

Ah, allrighty

Eh, i dunno man, those testings ppl in this channel did showed how sstrong jin+aya comp is, and + aur it's really something

[hot creek]

torp memes on offense is what it is, a meme.

[coral wren]

Since most of the time you face cl/dd vanguards

[pastel forge]

if your backline is akaga then yes aur is unmatched, I'd say for wasdA bel fits better tho

[coral wren]

Is it? I know it's hella strong on deffense, but i imagine it's sole purpose in offense is to damage frontline enough or kill and then your backline finishes the job

[pastel forge]

bel just kinda fits into the tank slot well, since both jintsuu and June don't really wanna take the tank slot

also the obvious easier time vs akaga comp

personally I just meme with 3 ijns front tho

[coral wren]

Y, i'll definitely take bel over aur vs foxes

[modern tree]

Belfast Juneau Jintsuu feels the most versatile atm because everyone and their mothers are running foxes and while you dont need much help in the matchup, Belfast doubles at Juneau insurance

3 IJN is faster tho, which is a factor considering some of the wasd amagi games get pretty tedious

[zenith flame]

what should I equip amagi with

belgun or twin 127?

[maiden agate]

Belgun of course

[odd schooner]

[maiden agate]

Oh god the mirror match of the century

Which turtle will prove tougher to crack?

[livid fractal]

[odd schooner]

Ha anyone actually tried swapping sodak Washington mainguns

Sodak with 406

Washington 410

[modern tree]

yes

I am running that frim the get go

because why cut your focused assault damage

[maiden agate]

Why use 410? The only reason I could think of is to avoid Owarida but you already have Amagi for that

[sudden niche]

washington use 406

her barrage is timed

[modern tree]

I think you still might want to use 2 410s because Amagi is gonna be holding the gold fcr which lets you stegger them with no reloaders and also makes killing enterprise a whole lot less painful if you get unlucky with barrages

[maiden agate]

I just use gold FCR on Washington instead so she will always shoot slightly sooner than Enterprise. Never have much trouble killing her since

Besides, all the tryhards I see switched to foxes already

No more staggering with gold radar

[modern tree]

could just use 406 on sodak because its gonna be staggered thanks to Amagi and you are using 406 on amagi specyfically to barrage enterprise, no?

seems silly to slap 2 410s on it as well imho

[odd schooner]

I'm using 410

[livid fractal]

I wanna sleep.

[odd schooner]

Let me try 406 on both

410 amagi

[livid fractal]

Mine is 410 amagi 406 wasd

[quaint gorge]

I use 410 on sodak for x2 damage

[modern tree]

406 is like 3 ish seconds slower for a third shell per volley so turning them to double damage hurts a whole lot more than 410

[maiden agate]

406 is so good that after all the research gun got released it is still a S-tier gun

[odd schooner]

406 doesn't hit enterprise at all from what I tested earlier

Really weird part on the foxes

Gotta think of a combination before sleeping

If someone sees this fleet. Can you please check if:

1. Amagi dies too soon
2. Fortune dies too soon
3. If any of your foxes actually die
4. How many of the vanguard dies when you unload those preloaded torps
5. Can you kill it in less than 30s

[livid fractal]

For my fleet same as yours, my Amagi dies first while Fortune is last one standing

Mirror is pretty even

[modern tree]

I guess WC starts right at the end of January

[odd schooner]

I think it's a special event

Like kisaragi

Cause we still have spee nodes

They did mention we're gonna go big this feb

[zenith tundra]

is sirius aurora sendai overkill for foxes?

[odd schooner]

double tap

[modern tree]

possibly, you might want something that makes them survive a counter attack considering if one fox dies between strikes you are probably losing

so like, 2 debuffers of choice and Juneau/YKKZ

[zenith tundra]

i don't get why is she hms... like no really good carriers in hms and they get something like sirius

[modern tree]

HMS has the best carriers in the game

They are just not all good for pvp

[vague token]

ark retro when jk

or, illustrious shield triggers when fighters are deployed, 20 second cooldown would be good too ;)

[odd schooner]

Also she can still buff centaur

• QE

Forgot the numbers tho

[modern tree]

she gets like 7% better offensive stats per carrier, 15% from QE, 20% FP because shes alive, boosts carriers by 10% and their hit rate by 10%

you can get almost 50% buff to offensive stats with QE and CVs

and she has a DD gun with good barrage

shes silly

[zenith tundra]

her base stats are barelly better then sandy tho

[modern tree]

just not really fitting with HMS

[zenith tundra]

they just announced ws retro and hms get an cv booster

maybe should have gone with lusty retro instead

[modern tree]

HMS doesnt need another QE

[zenith tundra]

is there any info on ws retro skill?

[modern tree]

its gonna exist and be UR and shes coming with next update on JP afaik, nothing more

[hot creek]

hype hype hype

hoping she makes it to EN sooner than later

but probably not.

[modern tree]

I hope she makes it here before Sandy tbh

but considering how long we had to wait for Portland, it might be a wait

of considerable lenght

[zenith tundra]

sandy is gonna be 1st no matter what imo

she's way too bad even compared to ws

[modern tree]

powerlevel is not an indication of anything

[warm saffron]

hi, can someone help me with my pvp build?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/367307557796053002/538790644076904459/992.png

like feedback/gear changes and ship changes etc (I don't have akaga)

[zenith tundra]

the thing is we are so slow on retro but all new ships are almost always here

@warm saffron what other bb/cv u have

[modern tree]

dump illustrous, slot in QE, you are basically golden tbh

[warm saffron]

give me 1 min to screeshot my dock

those are my main fleet ships (+ all the really irrelevant ones at the bottom)

well I don;t want to go serious, just want to make a fleet where i can press battle and farm merit

ok

[modern tree]

leveling warspite might not be the best of immediate investment considering we are about to get dork

[zenith tundra]

but ws will get retro this year maybe lol

[warm saffron]

dork?

ohhh

well my QE skill is lvl 10 since I thought she might come in useful someday but never used her

I guess it would be safe to just lvl warspite and QE then?

[modern tree]

at some point, the warspite retrofit, which means unless they announce it to release with WC, you can probably safely assume you will be using Dork instead

[warm saffron]

ok

[solemn gorge]

two steam catapults are better for pve

oh wait

this is wrong channel

[coral wren]

Do you carry 2 410 with wasd and 406 for amagi, or 2 406 for amagi/sadako and 410 for wash?

[zenith tundra]

amagi should use 410 unless 4ijn ships

or sniping enty with 4 ijn ships

i didn't run wasd enough to know about them but 406 is generally better but useless at dealing with enty

[ivory vine]

amagi is in a weird place tbh

cuz with 406 she hits into belfast smoke

but with 410 second barrage is into lucky e

[zenith tundra]

406 is best choice if she gets that 45% reduction if not 410 should be better. also 406 performs better with her not flagship

[ivory vine]

410 is before smoke

and smoke increases eva rate

yeah

406 fires at almost exactly 9s

so barrage is prob delayed by at least 1s after starting to fire

410 w/ gold fcr is before smoke entirely

it's much bigger of a deal to me

cuz i dont have fkin aurora

[zenith tundra]

the only negative side to 410 with ijn and hsfcr is that u cannot hit enty on 2nd barrage/salvo

if u run torp vanguard i prefer to just delete opponent vanguard and let my ships torp down everything

[ivory vine]

tbh

enty can easily be killed in the first barrage/strike

id rather hit before smoke and just chance that enty lives

than hit into smoke and shoot after lucky e

cuz either way

if she doesnt die

im eating the airstrike

and she'll die to foxes 2nd strike

[zenith tundra]

belfast is so annoying without aurora

[ivory vine]

if sendai was out

id just run 406

cuz more damage

and itd be in flare

[zenith tundra]

sirius is comming too. she works with foxes very well

[ivory vine]

i want essex but

she's anniversary

so prob august or some shit

idk when this game launched in en

i started in vdir

kinda glad it was just normal run

cuz if i missed ykkz

[zenith tundra]

it's august

[ivory vine]

then it'd be rip me

[zenith tundra]

yukikaze would've been too broken for en at that time

[ivory vine]

she's too broken for every server

[zenith tundra]

that oath skin is so cute tbh can't wait for it

[zenith tundra]

1 down

[zenith tundra]

why tf are barracudas rng box only. i'm tired of wasting stuff on royal boxes for nothing

[solemn gorge]

ive gotten so many barracudas going for roombas

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/478354004368162818/533920422799081472/3.png

[zenith tundra]

i still have to see 1 and i've been playing every day since august

[odd schooner]

@coral wren I'm currently trying triple 410 on Washington amagi fleet. Just hope one of the ppl who knows me faces my Def fleet on pvp

[coral wren]

Oh, ok. Your tag name is gurren lagann there?

[odd schooner]

Ye

[elder crane]

What sort of matchups are you interested in?

[real notch]

Damn u have more cudas than md LOL

I have 5

[native mantle]

hmm 1277 with 0/10 and 2nd place for now. and that with one lost battle

[zenith tundra]

idk about that. i'm at 1217 with 6/10 and 3 attempts behind

[native mantle]

i will go sleep soon so i needed to use all to not overcap

[grave gale]

Also at 6 barracudas with no 113s from boxes.

[odd schooner]

@elder crane standard fox fleet

[coral wren]

2 406 feels so underwhelming

it misses way more often than 410 imo

[subtle whale]

so many maids

[sour oasis]

Geez Avorra PvP is hard. Met a HMS meta (Ajax-Bel-Lean front, QE-War-Hood) who oathed everyone at around rank 3,000. Only gets harder from here.

Can people even sneak into admiral for those 1k bonuses?

[zenith tundra]

u need good comp to deal with maxed out teams

[sour oasis]

It's not the teams that give issue now. It's maxing my points.

Getting into top 1k is how you get Admiral Rank right?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[sour oasis]

I'm around rank 3000 with 1.1k points; top 100 has about 1.3k points

I don't see myself entering top 1k unless 2000 players ahead of me fall alseep for 12h.

[zenith tundra]

for points u need to wait for opponents to use their attempts and the attack. u get extra points if the opponent has 30-35+ points over u

[sour oasis]

Right. That doesn't rarely happens in Avorra top 3k.

At best, with 5 tries, 1 maybe 2 are +2?

[zenith tundra]

i know to max out points is like checking ur pvp opponents very often

[ivory vine]

how to not max points

is forget attempts

[sour oasis]

So +44 points... Is like moving 200 ranks when I need 2000.

[ivory vine]

fuckin rip me

oh well ive missed 3 exercises this season only

and sandy is a meme server pvp wise

[sour oasis]

Yeah. I have double shifts at least once a week; I am missing attempts.

[zenith tundra]

@ivory vine i'm number one at that lost 3 attempts 2 season ago lost 6 last season and 4 already this one

[sour oasis]

I would have to start over in Sandy...

I just want a(nother) free monthly Purin dammit!

[zenith tundra]

not worth losing limited ships tbh

[sour oasis]

True

[zenith tundra]

the more points extra ur'll ever get is in the 1st day. if u camp the 1st day of the season u can gain a big advantage and then even reach top 50/10 eventually if u keep camping

[sour oasis]

Still sucks I can't enter top 1k unless I am super tryhard or a top 3k player retires

[hot creek]

its not that hard. just use good fleet and win

[zenith tundra]

u can easily get like +40 1st day and that is a big advantage

[sour oasis]

I thought extra points were always +1/+2 per 35-difference?

[zenith tundra]

low rank has the highest difference in points

so the beginning is best for extra points

[lofty smelt]

Yeah but you get like +30 at low ranks instead of +10 at high lol

[sour oasis]

Eh. I usually end the session around 3k rank, about 200pts behind top100. Avorra super competitive.

[zenith tundra]

the scaling is for every one the same

[ivory vine]

i didnt get any bonuses on first day

cuz ded lobby

[sour oasis]

Not sure how far +40 would get me.

[ivory vine]

[zenith tundra]

i only gain 10 x attempt even if i'm 1k

[ivory vine]

got some decent bonuses later on tho

[lofty smelt]

+40 from day one honestly doesn't make or break anything

[sour oasis]

[lofty smelt]

If you do all your matches and don't lose, you can easily get top 10

[sour oasis]

[zenith tundra]

it helps if u don't really camp that much tho

[sour oasis]

I do all my matches and don't lose. By day 7 I am around rank 2000.

[zenith tundra]

i reached top 10 with 3 attempts behind but rushed right at the end

[zenith flame]

Ive never had a loseless season

[lofty smelt]

Stop fighting the person on the far right

[sour oasis]

Always fight far left.

[ivory vine]

every season should be lossless

[lofty smelt]

That too, I got gensui last season and I missed 3 matches

It's real lenient

[zenith flame]

I either lose 2-3 times and just give up getting gensui

[ivory vine]

tbf i lost 2 matches last season cuz i was tabbed out

[sour oasis]

Gensui?

Ah. Admirality

[zenith flame]

Ive gotten it once so I was satisfied

[ivory vine]

but i also missed 15 matches at the beginning of last season anyway

[zenith tundra]

the bonuses at the beginning are so much more than at the end. i can barely a +3/5 if i'm lucky now as bonus compared to what i got on 1st day

[sour oasis]

How do you get +5 on day 7+??

[elder crane]

By end, a smattering of +1s is all that's possible unless really lucky

I think he means total across multiple PvP matches?

[sour oasis]

By the 35-diff rule you should only be getting +3 at best

[zenith tundra]

if i'm lucky and get 5 people on my list over 35 points ahead

[elder crane]

Yeah, so a sum across 5 matches, not +5 all in one

[sour oasis]

I think I need to friend/stalk more people

[zenith tundra]

i got +3 earlier

[zenith flame]

sometimes the enemy is 200 ranks ahead and I still get the usual +10

[elder crane]

it works by points and not rank

[sour oasis]

Yeah. A 1k rank diff usually means 50 points

[zenith tundra]

at 1k everyone is stacked not really good indication of points tbh

[sour oasis]

I've got 5 tries and I'm at rank 3005. I am not finishing better than this.

[zenith tundra]

how many points u have

i'm at 1278 with 4/10 now and 4 behind

[sour oasis]

1123

[zenith tundra]

are u always attacking the leftmost enemy?

i didn't do that for a long period of time and always behind in points

[sour oasis]

Yes

I try to wait an hour before attacking, logging out and in, but often their rank doesn't change.

Just not lucky. (They're probably waiting too)

[elder crane]

Yep, refresh PvP or do match to get new list every hour after a relog to see if anyone has climbed in list

[zenith tundra]

when u get to higher ranks is easier to keep up with active people tbh

[sour oasis]

I thought 3k was pretty high?

[elder crane]

I find the hour after reset and morning wake-up time are when the most people climb

[sour oasis]

My wakeup time is about 4a PST. If I'm lucky, I can catch EST players

[ivory vine]

morning for what region

[sour oasis]

[zenith tundra]

i always miss reset because it's 10am for me and either i'm at work or sleeping

[sour oasis]

I'd like to be asleep. I tend to usually catch the best bonuses at midday reset (absurdly long lunch).

Crap. I thought I had caught up with PvP meta.

Hey Zack, what's the lowest rank you've been at in Avorra after hitting Colonel this season?

[zenith tundra]

around 2k i was today after reset with 10/10 and 3 behind

[empty sinew]

wow

every game on Sandy now is against Amakaga + Jints, Aya, Aurora

[zenith tundra]

that's the meta

and mirror is over by 30 sec mark...

[empty sinew]

Not complaining tho cuz I run Belfast instead of Ayaya and cheese a win 100% of the time

[zenith tundra]

i don't even bother tbh. especially since my aya carries so much

[empty sinew]

I just run Bel to counter the Akaga mirror planes, so far working perfectly tho

[odd schooner]

If you cannot outgun them with a mirror. Always slap a Belfast

[empty sinew]

[zenith tundra]

unless really unlucky i find mirror kinda hard to lose

[odd schooner]

[sour oasis]

Hmm. Thanks Zack. I feel... Like I can never ever catch up now

[odd schooner]

Technically you don't lose but it's mostly because your hp is very low

And ppl sometimes doesn't want to gamble below 10% hp

[sour oasis]

Well technically you have 20% fp advantage in mirror (presuming same equips)

[odd schooner]

I lived on conjunction days so

[zenith tundra]

i lost to gamble a few matches but if i lose i lose

[ivory vine]

my foxes are only level 9 skill so if i gamble i lose

[sour oasis]

Enty owari-off?

WHERE IS YOUR 70% NOW??

[odd schooner]

That 20% ain't gonna cut it if your amagi dies before enemy did

[ivory vine]

yeah if one of the amagis is alive after strikes

that person wins 100%

[zenith tundra]

for me it's usually over by 2nd airstrike every time

[sour oasis]

Any one experiment if skills really last when ships alive? I had killed Wash and SD still proc'd her 5s of invincibility off of Wa's skill

[odd schooner]

Because that amagi who lived will throw 3 volleys at you

One for your Amagi

One on each of your foxes

[ivory vine]

wash skill i dont think specifies she has to live

[sour oasis]

Damn

[ivory vine]

so if you kill wash you still gotta deal w/ the invincibility

[odd schooner]

Sodak needs to go down to 30% for it to proc

[sour oasis]

[odd schooner]

But there's that very small chance wash skill won't proc if you overkill sodak

[zenith tundra]

washi skill activates when sd reaches 30% hp if it activates sd get invincibility even if washi died already

[odd schooner]

Like 40% then a 6k crit happened

[sour oasis]

Ok. That is pretty scary. (Chances are if one dies the other is low on hp top)

[ivory vine]

tfw your vanguard gets targetted by ryusei

but then just eats all the torps anyway

instead of dodging them

[sour oasis]

6k crit in Exercise? That happens?

[odd schooner]

Yes

Even 7-8

[zenith tundra]

aya can crit that

[ivory vine]

fuckin torp memes are great

[sour oasis]

Oh. Torps. I always forget those.

Cuz they never cluster hit like manual

[ivory vine]

also cuz heavy armor takes a lot more from torps

[sour oasis]

Really? I don't notice that.

[zenith tundra]

if u get an aya jintsuu in front of enemy main fleet and she has torp it's insane how much she can do

[ivory vine]

iirc modifiers are 80% for light / 100% for med / 120% for heavy

[zenith tundra]

heavy takes the most damage from torp

[sour oasis]

Again. They never hit on auto (stupid fire torps thru ships)

[zenith tundra]

are u using homing torpedoes?

[sour oasis]

Doesn't matter. The auto timing tends to fire behind enemies

Homing won't 180.

[odd schooner]

Homing does 180

[sour oasis]

In detail: the auto mode fires as ships overlap... Torps exit behind enemy.

[odd schooner]

[sour oasis]

Homing keeps movint forward

[zenith tundra]

oh well auto torp are memes either way for me it's always on one side of the map and half of the end up out of bound and the other not hitting anything

[sour oasis]

[ivory vine]

homing ai is kinda trash sometimes

[sour oasis]

[odd schooner]

Like

You thought the torp went past through a backline ship

Then suddenly it turns

[ivory vine]

i love when it's going straight for a backline ship

then turns 90 deg

to hit another backline ship

[odd schooner]

[ivory vine]

???

[odd schooner]

Some weird torps indeed

[ivory vine]

like i just had it happen

and it ended up with 3 torps hitting enemy kaga

[zenith tundra]

i saw torpedoes running around a ship like avoiding it instead of hitting it

[sour oasis]

Yeah. 90 I've seen. 180 is usually someone's else's sakura dive bomber hitting me

[ivory vine]

and she died to amagi barrage

before air strikes

[sour oasis]

[odd schooner]

Feels like Mista's stand

[sour oasis]

Whrrrry?

[strange shuttle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/270787651978788864/538945369393070110/image1.png
I beat donald trump, in 34 seconds, thats 1 second per day he shut down the us goverment for

[glossy jay]

i love mr trump

[vague token]

lol

[charred sable]

Any known info about Warspite retrofit? Wondering if it'll lead to the return of HMS meta

[coral wren]

more hp for amakaga to nuke down

[hot creek]

well, if Sandy's retro is any indication, WS is gonna be gud.

[odd schooner]

@charred sable none atm

Not even datamined info

[coral wren]

holy shit wait. WS retrofit is a Ultra Rare

is it gonna be expensive af to retrofit then

[charred sable]

Yeah, I'm wondering if it'll be like Sandy's retrofit, having both a superior statline as well as maybe a really strong offensive passive/active that puts her well above the other current ships

[lofty smelt]

Save your BPs Roon

[coral wren]

20 enuf?

[lofty smelt]

20 gold battleship

Unless she ends up being more than Sandy for whatever reason

[maiden agate]

Gold BB bp are plenty anyway

[coral wren]

yea

[maiden agate]

No easy dupes like Sandy tho

[coral wren]

I have 12 purins

[odd schooner]

With the amount of BB t3 bps we have

Idk

[charred sable]

Heck, maybe she will be like QE and gain an HMS fleet buff

[coral wren]

hopefully she can just replace QE 🙏🏻

[maiden agate]

Nah I just want an all out offensive ship

We can have QE replacement later in KGV

[charred sable]

Warspite, Duke of York, Monarch

Would be a pretty strong line up

[odd schooner]

Monarch KGV DoY

Actually Centaur over dork

[maiden agate]

Yea

[charred sable]

I got 5 Warspite dupes somehow

Compared to 14 Sandy dupes...

[maiden agate]

Meanwhile, USS still waiting for a faction leader ship

[coral wren]

dont u have mlb of those ships or wot

why r u saving copies

[charred sable]

Cause burning an SSR feels bad

[coral wren]

ah

[maiden agate]

[coral wren]

I like breaking SSR s

makes Roon happy

[charred sable]

USS has Washington, a flagship in spirit xD

[maiden agate]

Washington is more like Warspite than QE

[ivory vine]

uss prob isnt gonna get a flagship buffer tbh

[maiden agate]

The one who handles dirty work

[charred sable]

USS Mount Whitney?

[ivory vine]

maybe more essex class botes w/ cv buffs

[odd schooner]

What flagship do they need anyways

[ivory vine]

commissioned 1971

[odd schooner]

30% more AA

[ivory vine]

[maiden agate]

Idk, maybe Missouri

[odd schooner]

[maiden agate]

Or Intrepid

[charred sable]

Gives all USS ships a 'MURICA! buff (increased fire power by 50%, decreased accuracy by 90%)

[maiden agate]

That's absolutely the opposite of how they are like

[velvet fossil]

Increase oil consumption by 50%, gain 25% fp

[coral wren]

Washington Kai. with a fleet buff

show us the USS bias pls

[maiden agate]

How bout this: When sortied with 2 other Eagle CVs: Reduce cooldown of the first airstrike by 5% for every Eagle ship in the fleet

Blitzkrieg OWARIDA

[ivory vine]

we need more essex cvs with fleet buffs

make cvs good...

for once

[maiden agate]

Intrepid: Increase damage of all Eagle CVs in the fleet against enemy battleship by 20%

Take this Yamato

[ivory vine]

i mean essex alread does like 10% more to bb

you just gotta live long enough to airstrike

and not have a vanguard that ints

[maiden agate]

That's just for herself tho right

[ivory vine]

cv

needs survivability buffs or some shit in pvp

cuz they dont do anything for like 20 something seconds

so you'd prob want a debuff to enemy damage

instead of just more damage to bbs

cuz bbs already take more from plane torps/large bombs

by having heavy armor

[maiden agate]

How bout Increase evasion of all Eagle ships by 10% aviation stat for 6s everytime fighters deploy

We have aurora and shit but who cares

Actually that might be a bit too broken

[ivory vine]

something being broken didnt stop them from releasing nagato

and amagi

[maiden agate]

Yeah

+60 eva stat every 9s or so that last 6s. Should be enough

[pearl nimbus]

Ok, time to sandbag for like 30 min.

[coral wren]

I keep running into the same three guys and @elder crane in pvp

👀

so make that four I guess

maybe i should stop spending exercises at reset and see if my opponent refreshes start to become different

[pearl nimbus]

I swear the opponents I get just don't climb lmao

They're either forgetful or they're out-sandbagging me.

[hot creek]

with Amakaga, I can afford to wait til the last five minutes before doing my pvps

[worthy osprey]

which ones better, wasd+hood or wasd+amagi?

[idle python]

Wasd amagi

[azure aurora]

Still afraid using amakaga mirror

[gritty cove]

I run akaga and hiryuu and just wipe safely

[real notch]

what did you guys use to MVP farm amagi?

[odd schooner]

10/10/10 on Amagi now

Wonder if I'll waste plates on 380 just to test

[modern tree]

beaver puts her at like 70 eva afaik so she would be about as slippery as Belfast

75 eva, its actually 3 more than non oath belfast

medium armour takes a bit more from torps and a bit less from guns

I wish I could say that, everyone on Sandy plays totally random shit

I think that while Portland is gonna be totally playable, there isnt really a lineup that she fits into very well? Wasd and something would probably be the closest thing where you'd run Belfast Juneau Portland, but considering how well this lineup can do when your front is dead, adding a mountain of defensive stats in front is weird.

Maybe I am just underestimating her damage, but its hard not to with the guns we have

[odd schooner]

We need someone to test

[modern tree]

That would be me. My Portland is waiting for her retrofit since I started playing

[timber plinth]

mine only 70ish

next Thursday rite?

[modern tree]

Likely to be after the update on 31st, yeah

[zenith tundra]

i have a maxed out 380 because i tried it in w10. it would be usable against comps with non light armor ships but not sure about it's ability to hit. i'll give some try if i find some decent opponents

the damage should be pretty much the same as 410 because it has less base damage but has higher modifier

[modern tree]

I think that when you are comparing damage you have to take into account that 410 has about 75% chance to set fires on hit (50% per projectile, 2 per volley) and fire is devastating

[odd schooner]

I ain't raising her affection nor oathing her. She's too annoying to hear

[modern tree]

Thats a very interesting statement from a guy who uses Fortune

[odd schooner]

No

The fact she's fully obsessed with someone else

[modern tree]

It's hard for me to feel jealous because I agree with her.

[zenith tundra]

guess he still better no matter what

if at least the base damage of 380 would be higher it might have been worth

[modern tree]

Fires are just a little too good at everything. If you could get away with playing for fast barrages, you'd use 283 and just pew pew.

[zenith tundra]

380 speed is also not much better than 410 either

[modern tree]

Which is admittedly, something I have considered for Amagi, but Sandy is not quite competitive enough for the results to be more than "oh hey, this isn't losing me games"

[zenith tundra]

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