pvp

[subtle whale]

[vague token]

arizona retro someday

jk

[subtle whale]

qe retro

buff upgrade to 30%

[vague token]

eh, a pure stat upgrade would be so boring though

plus it doesnt give hit =(

[hazy rain]

does affinity increase luck and hit as well?

[pastel forge]

nope

[coral wren]

I hope she gets something for pve...

[sharp obsidian]

I always see Warspite as more of a PvP ship - I hope she gets her slot back in the HMS PvP Fleets by becoming UR 😄

[vague token]

what kind of skill would push her to be better than like monarch or duke though o.o

i mean she'll be getting something, just wonder what

[sharp obsidian]

Well, Retro comes with nice stat boosts. Plus, she will be the 2nd UR in the game, the devs prolly want to make her worth the tag of being a UR

If we look at Sandy, she went from niche boat to T0 via retro

Warspite is in a similar status today with her skill being considered largely useless in PvE and niche in PvP

She could get a nice barrage skill or maybe a team-based skill or maybe even debuff skills if we look at some of the newer skills released on Amagi 😃

[wise summit]

much like sandy retro I doubt we'll see it anytime soon

[hot creek]

at the very least they need to make the barrage have 100% hit rate. Shit's infuriating when it misses. Like please Warspite. You have one claim to fame and you couldn't even do it.

[sharp obsidian]

Who knows, they've thrown surprises our way of things we didn't expect to get so soon 😃

[topaz beacon]

sirius seems like an interesting boat that could be used to boost akaga lol

[lunar veldt]

Inb4 makes barrage 100% accurate

[topaz beacon]

a shame hms doesnt have any pvp carriers

[lunar veldt]

Centaur

[coral wren]

centaur

[livid fractal]

Centaur is pretty op

[lunar veldt]

Literally t1

[topaz beacon]

many* pvp carriers

[sharp obsidian]

Are there details on Sirius out already?

[topaz beacon]

yes i forgot centaur im dense ok

[coral wren]

more like t0 😄

[sharp obsidian]

Oh she's in the Wiki already 😮

[coral wren]

i want core shop god dammit

[topaz beacon]

if en gets her i wonder how often will she be used

[coral wren]

ah, you meant Sirius

[topaz beacon]

ye

she supplements akaga teams quite well, but we already have a stronk torp frontline

[odd schooner]

Testing another vanguard for defense

Not sure if she's gonna do anything but i also used mag torpedoes now than the usual 610mm

[modern tree]

New HMS boat has some Siriusly disappointing skills. At least we have Warspite to look forward to

[hot creek]

please make Warspite broken, please make Warspite broken, please make Warspite broken.

[coral wren]

broken enough to deal with ijn bullshit

[ivory vine]

[hot creek]

actually idk if I want her to be too broken, cause then everyone will flock to her. HMS was in a nice spot where it was still viable but you could be hipster while using it.

[vague token]

"damage taken before 20 seconds is reduced by 33% for fleet"

kek

[ivory vine]

i dont even like hms

so i kinda hope she isnt that op

[modern tree]

She can't be not broken. Kai stat and efficencies boost riding qe buff will make her drop nukes

[topaz beacon]

i just want her to be usable in pve again

[hot creek]

"Belli dura despicio!" miss x2

[ivory vine]

inb4 she doesnt even get as much eff as monarch

[hot creek]

increase the projectile speed by x10. then we good

[modern tree]

She's also getting another skill if we are following how every other retrofit works so yea

[hot creek]

and make hit rate 100%

[glacial spire]

KMS is crying

[ivory vine]

well not every retro gets a skill

but most do

and UR prob all will

[vague token]

well, sandy got a skill AND a barrage change

technically they could change warspite's current skill

and give her a new one

like, 100% hit rate

;)

3 projectiles

or w/e

[ivory vine]

inb4 it turns into hit the 3 furthest targets

[vague token]

wait, what if they gave her MGM+1

xD

4 shots lol

sandy got 10% and MGM+1

[ivory vine]

the bigger meme w/ sandy is the dd guns

which are just better than cl guns dps wise

[vague token]

well, the atlanta class could always do that

not that juneau is a dps ship

xD

[ivory vine]

yeah but that's why +1 mgm is such a big deal

[vague token]

is she the only MGM+1 dd gun user?

[ivory vine]

no

[vague token]

oh ok

[ivory vine]

there's some others

like niizuki iirc

but they have shit fp

[vague token]

oh, she has less fp and less efficiency

ouch

100 less fp

wow

niizuki also has anti air mode

to reduce her firepower more

MGM+1 dd guns dont have nice things lol

[nova storm]

I saw Sirius' skills and if they release her ahead of time, I'm like more Akaga or some CV shit

[ivory vine]

she seems pretty good for my essex memes

btw we're getting sirius

intern already confirmed we get WC rerun

[vague token]

ark royal 70% 2x when

[dull hollow]

sirius gonna be interesting for EN

lets u achieve nagato level power with CV

without needing nagato

and ur frontlines arent so overly crowded

that you guys can actually afford

to run sirius

[ivory vine]

how much was the cv buff?

[dull hollow]

sirius has no place in JP

but EN...

that's spicy

[coral wren]

I think centaur is in regular special construction

[dull hollow]

akaga + amagi + sirius

lets u emulate Nakaga level airstrikes

while having amagi

[nova storm]

Akaga + Amagi + Sirius + Belfast + Jintsuu

[dull hollow]

jintsuu so dead weight

man when u guys get yukikaze

that's gonna be a very

[vague token]

oh no

[dull hollow]

yucky meta to be stuck in

at least until the need for tanky fronts start to take over

[modern tree]

I can't wait for Aurora Sirius Sendai foxes

[dull hollow]

eh

that's gross overkill

and ur frontline is now paper

[ivory vine]

there's no kill like overkill

[ionic magnet]

how much rating does a maxed hood+foxes go for?

[ivory vine]

[nova storm]

I'm going Belfast All in to see if I Can RNG mirrors if everyone begins spamming Akaga XD XD

[dull hollow]

once u guys get nagato

akaga dominance should come to an end

because amagi + nagato

just wipes the floor

it's so gross

[vague token]

inb4 nagato comes with hiryuu retro

gg pvp meta

[dull hollow]

i prefer taihou tbh

[ivory vine]

[vague token]

hiryuu is just for 15 seconds of anti rng

xD

[ivory vine]

i prefer hiryuu based solely on design

[vague token]

just in case you know

[dull hollow]

if only taihou didnt have pepega shaped reload

then they would be on even footing

but hiryuu's 150+ reload

is no joke

my taihou is a utility bot anyway

[vague token]

slow torp plane

nice

[modern tree]

At least Warspite is coming to save us

[coral wren]

WHo will save kms fleet

[vague token]

you know who

[dull hollow]

uninstalling the game

and playing fortnite

[coral wren]

Yeah

[ivory vine]

giving up saves kms fleet

[dull hollow]

[odd schooner]

Iriya, between kaga and akagi, how would you place the two if kaga has the reppu akagi has the hellcat

Backline position

[dull hollow]

wat

there is no difference

[odd schooner]

I mean who's top who's bottom

[dull hollow]

there is no difference

[odd schooner]

Cause bottom always gonna eat cuda torp

[dull hollow]

they have basically identifical survability

and top vs bot doesnt affect bombing patterns

[odd schooner]

Ye a bit on hp and eva

But if I'm using a reppu on one, i can't use vf17 on the other?

[dull hollow]

the super minmix strat is to put the faster plane on akagi

and have her use a 818 torp

and have the slightly slower planes on kaga

with ryuusei

supposdly the 818 will slow and the ryuusei then delete

[ivory vine]

torp plane

[dull hollow]

kill my europa raid

wrong chat

[odd schooner]

Lmao

Just omoshiroi

[timber plinth]

technically mvp race is pvp

[odd schooner]

Oh eka lmao

[subtle whale]

so gryphon are canon in al

[finite valve]

@humble scarab how many pvp point you got at 10/10 tries atm? need to check if i did miss any tries

[analog hare]

899 with 5/10 round atm

[modern tree]

I have 843 on sandy with 10/10

[coral wren]

:l I am at 829 with 10/10. am I behind

washington is super dead atm in pvp. I barely got anyone that is climbing at all

[modern tree]

sandy is always like that, pretty boring

[coral wren]

u should play in washington xd where everyone is 10-11k fleet power

cant lose no matter how meme ur fleet is

[native mantle]

@coral wren 827 with 9/10

[coral wren]

nice

[gritty cove]

854 with 9/10

[native mantle]

i losed once

or i would be like 840

[calm vector]

Is it better to wait for 10/10 than 5/10

[native mantle]

aye i will use my 10/10 or the remainings when i go to bed before the enxt reset

[livid fractal]

870 for me 9/10 12x9 = 978

[hazy rain]

863 6/10

and I've been waiting to attack people until after they attacked

[quaint ferry]

Does the seasonal score mean anything?

[ivory vine]

seasonal score is your points

[quaint ferry]

So like the merit points gained during the "season"?

[ivory vine]

well it doesnt even go down on losing iirc

but it's how you're ranked

[quaint ferry]

This is where I'm at, does damage dealt even increase how much points you get?

[hazy rain]

no

[ivory vine]

no it's based on how many points the enemy you fight has

[hazy rain]

why would damage dealt even modify it?

[ivory vine]

i think they have to be 35 points higher for you to even start getting a bonus

[quaint ferry]

Ok, doing research made me understand its purpose

Seasonal Score is what you need in order to be ranked a higher tier,
Like needing 1050 points + being top 1000 to even being rear admiral

Didn't knew this is how it worked but seems good

[odd schooner]

I'm missing 12-15 points

Feels like i missed 1 match again

[ivory vine]

ugh...

i keep almost waiting too long

this is like the 3rd time i barely finished to get down to 5/10 within 20s of reset

and it's not even paying off well

[elder crane]

ehh, I find leaving at 6/10 by last hour b4 reset is fine
low risk, and it's not like you'll get more +1 by rushing, since people won't have time to climb in between your PvP

[ivory vine]

2 of the times i was busy doing work for class and almost forgot it was reset

the other was cuz some guy was climbing at like 5 mins left and i got shit rng so it lasted almost 2 mins

[elder crane]

RIP

I always do the last 1 w/ 20 mins to spare, or go down to 5/10 b4 I might fall asleep and other stuff, for this exact reason

Early on, would often miss a few, mostly to sleep

[hybrid tendon]

i know how to counter amagi now

use your own amagi

[vague token]

xD

[hybrid tendon]

https://tenor.com/view/smart-thinking-thoughts-think-ponder-gif-7713620

[hazy rain]

how do reset refreshes work?

as in the frequency / refresh recovery rate

[hybrid tendon]

3 times per day

[hazy rain]

I meant the "search new opponent"

[hybrid tendon]

• 5 every day

[hazy rain]

and they cap at 10?

[hybrid tendon]

no

at 5

[hazy rain]

thanks

[lean flower]

Do the sizes of the badges have any bearing on anything or is it just a design thing?

[coral wren]

hmm. I feel like the best way to counter amagi is with Jeauna

Jeanue Jeaune Jaune

jesus

Amakaga + Jint Jesus Aurora

I tried amagwasd and it just wasnt consistant enough

and missing 1 ijn was kinda awkward

[odd schooner]

What pain said few days ago

Belfast

Swap your ayaya with belfast

[odd schooner]

This will guarantee you a victory on amagi akaga fights

Complete mirror is strats

[vague token]

xD

[coral wren]

Is belfast better than jesus tho. Her smoke is kinda useless

[vague token]

the smoke lets you win trade with the 20% attacker boost

[odd schooner]

Lets you live first airstrike

[vague token]

technically 35% reduction is better than 25% heal

[odd schooner]

Proceed screwing backline

Profit

[coral wren]

Gonna try that mext time I find a mirror

[odd schooner]

Ya go

I was doing full mirror test few days ago too

[coral wren]

Its hard to find a decent defense fleet in washy

[odd schooner]

That, we can't help

[coral wren]

XD

[odd schooner]

Best testing ground is on Avrora

Lots of def fleets

[vague token]

amagi cant have all skills maxed yet right?

i cant remember

[odd schooner]

10/8/10

[vague token]

yeah

[odd schooner]

I missed around 15 hours

So after few hours the dude with an alarm clock should be 10/9/10

I have alarm clock too but sleep is

[coral wren]

Usuallly missing couple hours a day xD

[vague token]

im ok with not perfectly skill booking

xD

i like my sleep

[coral wren]

9/9/10 so far with yellow skill half wah done

[gritty cove]

6/10/10 currently for me, I'd rather not minmax with alarms

lol

[vague token]

honestly 10/x/10 is pretty much gold anyways

[coral wren]

No need to rush xD

Setting alarms for that seems abit overdoing it.

[odd schooner]

I'm gonna be 10/9/10 in 9 hours

Yeah screw those ppl who uses alarm

🏃

[gritty cove]

[vague token]

im kinda enjoying the gold 380mm on amagi

[odd schooner]

How fast is it

[vague token]

im not using ijn

it's lower than 410

mine shows uh

17.18 displayed

[odd schooner]

200 affection?

[vague token]

lol na

havent oathed

she's just 100 affection

410mm has 18.71

displayed

[odd schooner]

9.4s with 4 ijn

[vague token]

xD

the main perk is that frontlines dont really need more help dying for me

so the boosted anti BC/carrier damage is nice

since medium armor is weakest to AP bb guns

or i can just put her across from enty

medium armor to kill

for anyone still running wasd/e defense

and just outgun the frontline with minne

[ivory vine]

tfw 2nd barrage is into lucky e w/ 410/fcr/4ijn

[vague token]

ouch

[ivory vine]

but then again that rarely happens

cuz enty should be dead from first barrage/strikes

[vague token]

dont you usually kill E yeah

[ivory vine]

it only happens if no barrage proc and e is on the top

or if the actual main gun shots just dont hit her at all

[vague token]

i mean, i wouldnt put any ship with lower than 300 aa or medium armor on the bottom slot

that's asking to die to akaga

plus torps

[ivory vine]

idk i move amagi to where e is when ppl have her

[odd schooner]

I'm currently testing out mirro match but enemy has aurora in front

[vague token]

lol

[ivory vine]

it seems to work out better than just leaving her mid

but then again i dont have aurora

[vague token]

i mean, it's not like amagi is in danger moving her to match E

[odd schooner]

When enemy aurora dies on preloaded torps, enemy jintsuu and Ayanami torps kinda miss

[ivory vine]

so barrage kinda just fizzles sometimes on vanguard

[vague token]

because you hit first anyways

[ivory vine]

due to evade

[odd schooner]

@ivory vine try 406

410 fcr means only 3rd wave hits

[ivory vine]

i was using 406

but i got lazy when i was farming d3

[odd schooner]

[ivory vine]

and didnt bother swapping it every few hours

[vague token]

lol oof

[ivory vine]

also 406 hits into belfast smoke so id still have to swap it reeeee

[vague token]

+10 autoloader, push that 406 under smoke

xD

jk

dont do that

[ivory vine]

actually idk if it does

it shoots at 9s

so barrage prob does hit into smoke

maybe not if i oathed amagi

[vague token]

i have a ring

dunno if i want to

xD

[urban coral]

Anyone tried out WASD+Amagi?

[vague token]

only seen one on defense

[coral wren]

It feels weak af

Maybe I was using wrong frontline

[vague token]

i doubt it's weak, but amakagi just outraces everything

[urban coral]

What was your frontline?

[coral wren]

Jin aurora ayay and then jesus

I swapped out ayaya to fit in jesus

Max aff washy with all +10 sgs on sodak and washy

Amagi with fcr and beaver

I feel its just about as strong as amakaga but in the end its all about rng on ur frontlines torps and dnemies

Enemies

But amakagi is faster and seems more consistant with planes

[vague token]

amakagi torp isnt even rng, the rng is does your backline melt, instead of just your front

it only takes 1 torp and a barrage for akaga to wipe a cl vanguard

assuming aurora

[urban coral]

I was kind of messing around with belfast, fortune, and jesus
It was funny seeing the backline (except for washington because she only had +7 sg and a +6 fcr) tanking everything but yeah it feels weak

Oh right the fcr I was talking about was the purple one lmao

[coral wren]

Lol purple fcr

[vague token]

lol

[empty sinew]

I faced a fully oathed 13.2k WASD + Amagi ytd with my Amakagi

[urban coral]

Really underwhelming, I know lmao
But it does the job I need it to do

How was it?

[empty sinew]

restarted the game several times just to test out my fleet, ended up beating them 5/5 times

[vague token]

what was the vanguard matchup

[coral wren]

I feel wasd amagi need the defense wasd lineup for vanguard

[empty sinew]

Jintz+Belfast+Aurora vs Jesus+Belfast+Fortune

[urban coral]

Oh wow

[vague token]

oh, tank lineup doesnt work

[coral wren]

Rip

Aurroa too stronk

[vague token]

i was doing tank fleet vs jay9's amakaga

was like a 50/50

and i was offense

[strange shuttle]

i got my first quint orange seeker, so if my matches last 20-40 seconds, meaning there is a chance for a 3rd round for the quad, what do i go with?

[vague token]

not worth

[urban coral]

Yeah totally not worth it lmao

[vague token]

a 50/50 winrate on offense is pretty bad lol

[empty sinew]

It wastes time per run

[urban coral]

Guess I was lucky most of the time. Although I wasn't really testing the fleets

[odd schooner]

Did someone mentioned wasd amagi

[strange shuttle]

Here’s a 90% ish win rate

[odd schooner]

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

I ain't selling my comp anymore sorry

[urban coral]

Lmao

[odd schooner]

But imma give you an idea

Belfast jesus fortune

In that order

[empty sinew]

protecc Jesus

[ivory vine]

not selling comp

you're right

you're giving it out

[vague token]

lol

[odd schooner]

Shh

[vague token]

freee comps

[urban coral]

Lmao

[vague token]

akashi would be disappointed in you

[empty sinew]

[odd schooner]

I married akashi she might read this

[vague token]

busted

xD

[urban coral]

Ugh if only I had oxytorps

[empty sinew]

Belfast against Ayaya in Amakaga matchups is so cheese

[odd schooner]

5 bofors 1 ufo

All mag torps

Pearl on Belfast

Double box on fortune

[urban coral]

Oh?

[odd schooner]

Bulge on both jesus and maid

[gritty cove]

Hiryuu

[vague token]

i mean if people arent using bulge

in this meta

[odd schooner]

410 on both sodak and amagi

[vague token]

id be concerned

[odd schooner]

406 Washington

Double sg Washington sodak

Sg fcr amagi

127mm fortune jesus

Uhh what else

[urban coral]

Wait no beaver on amagi?

[odd schooner]

No beaver at all

[vague token]

frontline too fast

you catch ALL the torps

[odd schooner]

Fortune dies

[vague token]

there's Too Slow, and Too Fast

[odd schooner]

Pointless

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

[ivory vine]

but then you win

if you catch all the torps

[empty sinew]

is Beaver on Amagi an actual big brain play?

[odd schooner]

The main point of this fleet is to stall ijn. You literally won't lose under 30s unlike other shamefur Washington fleets

[urban coral]

Oh c'mon! I just got my 3rd sg yesterday and now I have to farm 2 more instead of just 1?! My plates can't catch up reeee

[odd schooner]

You still lose under 40s

[vague token]

lol

[odd schooner]

Higher stalling time

[urban coral]

Lmao

[strange shuttle]

What’s better?

[vague token]

quads are faster

[urban coral]

Quad for reload

[vague token]

and more per individual torp

[strange shuttle]

Most matches end around 27 sec

[odd schooner]

Ye most

[vague token]

if im against a amakaga the match is mostly decided by 12

with some rng for either way after that

xD

[odd schooner]

This fleet i made won't be under 30s tho so ye. It separates from other Washington fleets

[ivory vine]

tfw you start a match up and your vanguard dies in literally 2s

[strange shuttle]

Ya some of the 42 ish sec would fire a 3 rd time but wanted others views to make sure

Cuz I was not sure on the value of 4 vs 5 in a volley

[empty sinew]

Quads would be better if ur vanguard survives to hit opp's main fleet tho

[odd schooner]

That double sg is mandatory dude

[empty sinew]

at least from what I've tested

[odd schooner]

You don't want to just eat torps every match on backline

Same goes with shells

[urban coral]

Rip

[odd schooner]

Also gives accuracy

[vague token]

lots of hit

[odd schooner]

So you won't get bullied by ayanami

[urban coral]

I've been living under a rock this whole time

[vague token]

does nagato amagi use radar?

cause i know nagato has hit buff

xD

[odd schooner]

They use Washing machine

[vague token]

oh that dodge thing?

[odd schooner]

Ye

[vague token]

gotcha

[odd schooner]

You might want bulge on jintsuu

[strange shuttle]

i use that raider and event gear on amgai

[empty sinew]

Lvl 99 Jintsuu

[strange shuttle]

yeah she will get 100 w/e form pvp exp

[empty sinew]

I had Belgun on my Amagi tho

So that vanguard can't bully her

[vague token]

mine is on aurora xD

[empty sinew]

I wonder if Sirius's offensive buffs would be better than Belfast's smokescreen

[vague token]

so like

it says hit rate increased by 10%

isnt that very different from Hit by 10%?

cause you could have no hit rate, boosted by 10%?

?_?

or does it add 10 to your final hit percent

[urban coral]

This is confusing

[idle python]

yes it is different

[vague token]

yeah, so which one is it xD

[idle python]

hit rate

according to aristya

[vague token]

i meant is it +10

or times 1.1

because times 1.1 is pretty bad

[idle python]

it's always additive

[vague token]

so if your base hit rate is 50 after calcs

it increases it to 60

?

[idle python]

yeah

[vague token]

ok, that's really strong then

cause most of them just increase multipliers by additive amounts

interesting

also wow that aa stat

what is her full barrage like xD

[empty sinew]

wow +10 hit rate + Aurora's evasion debuff

[vague token]

rip fortune evade lol

man they are really going all in on the insta death on first air strike

not even on purpose lol

[empty sinew]

Maybe it is

[vague token]

"pvp is just a farm"

"just put all out the speed run fleets"

[empty sinew]

And when w11 + Sendai drops, guess that's the end of hiding under smokescreen

"10 games in 5 mins"

[vague token]

i pray to the gods that port kai will be beefy enough to deal with this

75 evade and 5k hp lol

probably wont

but i can dream

[empty sinew]

She'll survive a good barrage or 2 for sure

[odd schooner]

The hit rate is fla

T

Like amagi evasion

[vague token]

yeah we got to that xD

[modern tree]

I wonder what's with HMS and abilities that kill their own ships most effectively.

[vague token]

no one will ever know

although isnt it more like hms CAs arent good yet?

[modern tree]

But I guess both Aurora and Sirius are from the same class so it's lore consistent, maybe

HMS has great CAs

[vague token]

hms has torp cas that arent ijn torps so i dunno

[ionic magnet]

am i missing something or enemy AA dont do dmg at all? i dont see any dmg numbers whenever i do pvp

[modern tree]

York and Suffolk are easily amazing, the problem is that their performance is largely dependent on you aiming the 40 degree angle gun, so in any auto scenario they look much weaker than they are, which includes pvp

[vague token]

a 40 degree gun that doesnt have MGM+1 >_>

so is automatically 50% less potential damage than any eagle ca

they have good firepower i guess?

york doesnt even break 200 before her retro with 3200 hp

[modern tree]

Suffolk on proc can outdamage most uss CAs that don't have focused/double shot

And she can afford running HE exclusively for clearing trash cuz her torp are okay

[vague token]

i just feel like it isnt worth using a glass ca

when you can use a glass torp dd

or jintsuu

and get all of the damage

immediately

some rng depending

compared to US gun cas who smooth out their damage curve

and retain some bulk with dem hit points

[modern tree]

She was doing fine in pvp for me, biggest issue is that for some reason double gun is garbage at doing anything without mgm +1

[vague token]

is double gun the 2x or the shoot again one

xD

[modern tree]

Like, the procs just lose target 80% of the time so that skill might as well not be there

[vague token]

gotcha

i guess the other thing is minne also has really high reload for a CA

even before skills

the only thing minne doesnt have is high base hp xD

[modern tree]

Dunno why it's so different from mgm CAs, Wichita doesn't have this issue

[vague token]

but still more than literally all the hms

oh suffolk has light armor

weird

i guess that's good for torp meta

[modern tree]

Hp is easily workable, I played with Leander Belfast Suffolk and Suffolk not only punched things for average 800, the smokes keep her shooting for a while

It's just the double gun being dumb that made me stop testing it

[vague token]

i guess i just prefer MGM cas

because no rng

even with the 40 degree arc

it's always there

xD

like if you average out a 2x multiplier

with a 25% chance

that's basically a 25% damage boost

if you take suffolk's 1.6

that hits 2

compared to the ALWAYS active MGM+1

which means you always have potential 2 damage

xD

[modern tree]

Look, I have done the math

[ionic magnet]

double cata or 1 cata 1 oil tank?

[vague token]

cata tank

[ionic magnet]

hmm

[modern tree]

The end result is something like 260% of Minnie vs 225% of Suffolk

But you still get the fp buff at 20 vs one on kill

[ionic magnet]

is the bonus hp that good

i dont notice any of my planes dying

[vague token]

it's for damage

[modern tree]

Read the pin

[vague token]

when your planes reach the end of the screen

they do damage based on remaining hp

adding hp means they have more % hp when they hit

aka more damage

[ionic magnet]

i see

[vague token]

full firepower would be fun in an era where games go past 20s ;)

lets get that 120 cas

glorious

[modern tree]

My games routinely go past 20 with wasd Amagi, it's not an issue. The bigger problem is that HMS is in the dumpster since frontline has trouble stalling and backline has trouble killing, thanks Amagi. I don't feel very motivated to run HMS against more things since new tools are due

[vague token]

i mean mostly the dps opening time

they go to 20, sure

but fronts are either dead or bleeding

or you're mirror suicide so everyone dies

and it just turns into main fleet dps race

and the winners of dps race are the ones who start earliest

or clutch invuln

xD

[modern tree]

Winner is the one who has 2 barrages on their side. Wasd Amagi trashes foxes

You either win because both fronts are dead and you deal more damage through shelling or win because your front survived and they're dropping bombs on nothing

[vague token]

that's still with suicide to push guns to their main right?

ok yeah

xD

[modern tree]

I play Belfast Juneau Jintsuu like a normal person

Nothing against Fortune, but she doesn't provide anything for the fleet

[vague token]

huh, i still have trouble getting belfast to live through first strike

maybe it's cause no oath

consistently that is

it's like 50/50

1 torp or barrage clip and dead

[modern tree]

Fortune is like an extra pearl tears you don't need

Belfast doesn't need to survive

She has to smoke

That's it

[vague token]

yeah, it's still rough for my CLs usually

aurora ree

[modern tree]

Belfast is there just to delay sinking of your Juneau so you don't super overheal

[vague token]

yeah

my main issue with not counter running my own aurora

is that it suddenly becomes rng

if their front lives

and then rng torpedos my main

it's like stacking rng on rng

[modern tree]

I think I never had a game in which losing my front didn't end with immediate sinking of their front so that would have to be some unlucky timing considering all the layers of defensive stuff I have stacked

EN also keeps sleeping on Boilers

[vague token]

true that lol

[gritty cove]

That's one other major thing, the boilers

[modern tree]

I have 3 in my fleet and I think I need 4

But I would have to toss the oxy torp and I am not sure if I am ready for this sacrifice

[vague token]

i guess im missing jintsuu for dps xD

i just dont have the trade power

[modern tree]

Jintsuu buffed Belfast is the scariest shit

[vague token]

yeah i bet

well, maybe when events take a break ill go back to 10-4 xD

[modern tree]

My Belfast in the tank slot outdamaging everyone by like 5k is something I see every other game

It's just silly

[vague token]

i mean, she has a gun steroid

jintsuu gives her a torp steroid

and her base torp isnt even bad really

301 is solid

[modern tree]

Jintsuu gives reload, torps are there but they aren't 20% reload

[vague token]

she's the perfect maid ;)

[modern tree]

Burn order 150% efficency gun with 20% reload boost, yeah

[vague token]

yep

[gritty cove]

The only reliable way to beat your fleet is Hiryuu for me atleast @modern tree

[modern tree]

Always a pleasure to put y'all fleets to the test

Sandy needs more maxed fleets

[ivory vine]

sandy is a graveyard

[modern tree]

Also I made up my mind, Vampire gets the oxy torp and I am putting in another Boiler. Gotta go fast

[vague token]

lol

[ivory vine]

but why vampire

[vague token]

im still triggered we cant oxytorp on torpedo main fleet

[gritty cove]

Are your boilers maxed already too?

[odd schooner]

Fortune's main purpose is to let your backline live/have reduced dmg on preloaded torps

[ivory vine]

just wait for ykkz

[odd schooner]

She can die after that

[ivory vine]

[odd schooner]

Disposables

Ykkz nanoda ples gib

[vague token]

lol

[odd schooner]

Actually i want to try leander too

But no time atm

[modern tree]

Just catch all the torps with speed

Easy

4 boilers man

[gritty cove]

The speed screws the mags nicely

[modern tree]

You think I am meming

YOU THINK

[vague token]

i know you arent lol

[ivory vine]

but i can already catch all the torps

[modern tree]

If you trigger homing on the torp, it never homes again fyi

[ivory vine]

you're under the assumption i have aux plates to max boilers

i dont even have plates to max my current gear

[vague token]

i have 1 +10 boiler from eldridge days

xD

[modern tree]

Time to hit that C3 boy

[ivory vine]

im finishing up a belgun i had 13/15 for from farming bp

but i havent been running that much after i got my last kaga drop

[modern tree]

C3 is really fast for plates because 3 boss drops

[ivory vine]

just casually when i remember to start a battle

im at like 47k points

[vague token]

o.O

[ivory vine]

but most of that was d3 farming

[coral wren]

Is d3 faster than c3 for plates? D3 has 4 boss

[ivory vine]

it has 6 fights before boss tho

but idk maybe

is c3 4 or 5 fights til boss?

[coral wren]

So 3 elites 3 bb fleets + 1 boss. Vs 2 elites 3 botes 1 boss

5

[ivory vine]

oh then yeah i guess d3 is better

but it drops a shit gold bp

while c3 is bofors

[coral wren]

I have 5 bofor already tho.

Dont know how many I will need

[ivory vine]

idk im lazy

and would rather just have extras to leave on botes

[coral wren]

I am also finally got 3 113s for fletcher auto

But I dunno. I feel I might have been bambozleled

[hazy rain]

I just faced a PvP fleet where they had a Prinz and their Amagi and Enty somehow died before Prinz did

[coral wren]

Prinz be like

[rustic fog]

Pure tank

[velvet fossil]

Tera

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

loli simulator

[sudden niche]

is there tier list of pvp ships for EN?

[native mantle]

not a tierlist more some comps that are usefull

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1B-kGGh6rHk7PlXQDkAl8bOGPUMp0oncVFeJAzSjdEgg/htmlview#

[sudden niche]

thanks!

[subtle whale]

why do people run boiler

i didnt know that was a thing

[coral wren]

to run into torps so others can win faster

[sudden niche]

now that u mention it

is there aux that can boost firepower for frontlines?

[coral wren]

lol wasd enty + defense vanguard aint shit when facing amakaga lol

litterally wiped out everything except sodak after first airstrike and torps

no one is playing hms here tho rip

[elder crane]

Boiler is a counter to BBs so they miss shots.
CA can run purple fcr for FP, otherwise nothing really

[coral wren]

so basicly to counter wasd. too bad foxes dosnt have shells

[elder crane]

kinda weird you have trouble vs HMS, I find it's not an issue
Only problem I've had with WASDA so far is vs Akaga-type+torp-fl when RNG on torps and skills really don't go your way
It actually made me swap out my lv 27 Aurora for an actual ship
(Also one match with really bad RNG vs WASDE)

Matches seem slower than Amaka though for no significant winrate difference, so that's still probably the better offense team

[modern tree]

Boiler increases speed which helps dodging shells, plane bombs, breaks mag torps and makes you physically dodge shots on top of regular evasion. It's hard to calculate the effective hp it gives you, but it's a lot. Think of all the games Aya, Fortune, Cygnet or any other DD was the last thing alive and just danced in front of everything for a minute, now apply it to your entire front

[pastel forge]

from my experience with wasdA + ijns so far (around 1 week), the only team I had a bit of an issue with was mirror bis wasdA with juneau, his amagi had low lvl barrage and probably max yellow blue skills first

[odd schooner]

Is why i am using fortune on wasd amagi

It's also for hms fleets

[native mantle]

a good 3th vanguard with belfast and aya for akagami backline?

don't have her

jsut level 68 no W10 now

aye

alright then i will switch my helena for juneau

[odd schooner]

Found the reason why aurora shouldn't be front vanguard. There's high chance she dies on opening torp and if she dies means no debuff when akaga does airstrike

I mean that's common sense but some ppl wouldn't believe until someone did some test

[hot creek]

oof. Just lost a match cause I thought sodak had her invuln

guess that's what I get for not being loyal to HMS

btw, just made a dank HMS clip today https://youtu.be/Z21Ol9wABm0

[modern tree]

But HMS on defense can't actually kill Wash or Amagi, they struggle to do that on offense

What does Fortune actually do then

Powers only rushes when hes not in my lobby. Makes me cry every time

[empty sinew]

powers the yoinkers

can't quite camp as hard as him

[modern tree]

He never ends the season very high up, dumps too many points to flex

[empty sinew]

[odd schooner]

If you lost one now, go down a bit and earn points so you won't crunch during gensui days

[dusk bridge]

Missed 5 matches last night

[odd schooner]

Too tired to do them?

[real notch]

I missed like 8 lol

[modern tree]

Just dont play out your attempts for the next 30 minutes and you will be free

[livid fractal]

Not sure if these people just didn't attack or my points is just higher.

[odd schooner]

Your points are just higher

[livid fractal]

But rank 1378 and 1524 have 99% win rate

[native mantle]

aye but why to attack ppl that just 10% lower then you?

have the same problem. rank 633 and only 513-617 to attack

[odd schooner]

Your win rate doesn't really go down if you miss matches

[livid fractal]

Well yeah. But I was expecting that they sandbag too and knows the reset thing..

But oh well, wouldn't hurt

[odd schooner]

It's currently 4:14am SEA time so uhhh

Or

They already missed a lot

[modern tree]

I found that when I get 2 games in which my opponents rushed, the third set is very rarely people that play. Can only really farm beyond that if you know the names

[odd schooner]

Like some folks above

[modern tree]

or get lucky I guess but that's gonna be rare-ish

[analog hare]

Ya guys who sandbagging, what is your minimun to attack the enemy fleet
Like gap between your rank and enemy rank

[hybrid obsidian]

it depends, but early in the season you want like a huge gap in rank, then it get smaller toward the end, you just need to check what difference between your point and top 100 is

[modern tree]

atm only like top 100 is worth it

but you dont want to sit on it too long

[hybrid obsidian]

and estimate if the difference between your point and the opponent is 30~35+ or not

[modern tree]

as in

I am around 1k

top 100 willbe like 3 extra points atm

[hybrid obsidian]

i tend to forget my tix so i just rush, doesnt make much difference in the 2200 period

you wont get 3 points unless if you miss some tix and have 10/10 remaining

oh, the pixel game

been a while

my friends invited me to the game late, so i just casually enjoy it, wasnt a bad experience

[lone pendant]

o

[hybrid obsidian]

hm, the pvp system here is easy and lenient

im used to stricter snipe time games

[vague token]

i mean pvp is basically a farm xD

[odd schooner]

[lone pendant]

[native mantle]

if we just had something besides merrit for ranks like gensui, like a golden X-gear for top 10

[vague token]

id settle for upgrade plates

not even anything fancy lol

[native mantle]

or that. if it would just be something worth to rank high, besides only merrit

[real notch]

i wouldn't mind if they just removed resetting

[vague token]

tone down damage some more sure

lol

[odd schooner]

Make all ship hp x3 instead of x2

[vague token]

rng skills are no longer rng, but lose power based on the % increase to reach 100% activation?

xD

[native mantle]

but then for example, aya would trigger her torpedo buff every shoot^^

[vague token]

yeah, and it'd be much weaker

what is the activation rate? 8?

[native mantle]

5

[vague token]

yeah, so to hit 100% that'd be a 20x multiplier

if we did 1:1 ratios

her 60% would go to like

3%

so for buffs it'd have to have like, a smaller reduction

[native mantle]

btw thats useless for pvp and pve. cause with enough tries ya can have enough proccs

[vague token]

this was with the stipulation that pvp got no reset

until that happens who cares

[gilded atlas]

Rnger would rekt all like that

[vague token]

i mean, for things that can cause loops, you can just make it only work once

that also means smokes are no longer rng too ;)

(after the first)

so defenses are buffed a bit as well

[gilded atlas]

enty vs enty will last forever

[elder crane]

Well, depends on implementation
Either 70% reduction instead or 70% duration instead

The former would remove the infinite loop

Or, maybe, some fixed pattern of activation instead

[vague token]

enty vs enty will run out the clock

and usually attacker wins

cause damage advantage

but enty is solved with smart ship placement anyways

[elder crane]

Still possible in super RNG situations, and removing such loops is probably best
Also, clock rundown is attacker loss iirc

[gilded atlas]

some skills will be too weak if duration is nerfed

like eldridge

• there is another rng factor like hit miss

which plays a bigger part in win lose i think

amakaga completely destroys within 20s if everything connects

imagine the salt if unlimited tries get removed

[vague token]

you can diminish first strike with specific pvp nerfs

[elder crane]

mmm, not really, Amkaga is one of the lower RNG-skill teams actually, which is one of it's draws
and it depends on if equalization is by giving defender 20% more dmg or attacker 20% less

[vague token]

damage under 20 seconds reduced by 50%

also prevents CA from nuking your squishies

[elder crane]

20% more means Amkaga strikes are threatening
20% less, well, defending Amkaga can't wipe a team

[vague token]

heavy handed but it would work

also hits everyone using 410

[elder crane]

Wait, wouldn't that just promote a 20 s timing team?

[vague token]

eldridge

says high

[elder crane]

a gradient would make more sense

[vague token]

oh ya

gradient would be better

[gilded atlas]

but its very tricky to balance different ships this way

[elder crane]

anytime a sharp jump exists, timings will be built

start of match is the largest jump, so typical that preload is very strong

[vague token]

i mean, even if you run full 20s, eldridge is there to stop you

[gilded atlas]

even without 20% bonus meme torp team will destroy if it didn't miss

[vague token]

or enterprise

but yeah

i getcha

dps just need to be applied over a longer time

lots of solutions for that

so burst and speed farming isnt the best

[hybrid tendon]

i just put amagi in my pvp squad and have been winning first try ever since

hmm

[vague token]

xD

[hybrid tendon]

something is wrong here

🤔

and I found out that to counter amagi, just have your own oathed amagi

[gilded atlas]

and removing rng factors would only force people to use 1 team composition

which is the most viable one

[hybrid tendon]

until the next op botes cometh

like warspite retro

lul

or QE retro

then you guys would be like

holy shit HMS is back

[vague token]

lol

[ivory vine]

i dont want hms to be back

[vague token]

i do, too bad they added another hms that counters hms xD

rip hms evade stats

[odd schooner]

HMS was never removed on tiering either

They're just there

I guess ppl got tired of using them since their early days so they are trying new things

[hybrid tendon]

i cant remove belfast from my pvp comp

[gilded atlas]

too much rng in salvo hit miss so i switched to akaga

[hybrid tendon]

there are no frontline tank

[gilded atlas]

which is more consistent

[hybrid tendon]

who can be as consistent

[gilded atlas]

and not worry about helena enty eldridge

[dull hollow]

en not having frontline tanks is pepehands

[hybrid tendon]

amakaga mirror match

[dull hollow]

amagi inherently worse on defender side the mirror match should be pretty free

[hybrid tendon]

ye shes paper

[gilded atlas]

yukikaze and her 25% chance to reduce damage to 1

[hybrid tendon]

like 2k hp lower than other bb

[dull hollow]

uh

amagi has the same HP

as most bb

[hybrid tendon]

really

[hybrid tendon]

probably its just tirpitz and hood

[dull hollow]

has med armor too

[hybrid tendon]

having a lot of hp

[dull hollow]

so extra tanky in pvp

[hybrid tendon]

hood has 8k and tir has 7k8

while amagi is 6k6

[dull hollow]

tirpitz heavy armor tho

squishy

[gilded atlas]

low aa too

[hybrid tendon]

you know what would get kms into pvp?

[dull hollow]

i reguarly smash nakagas with amagi tho

never felt her AA was a problem

[hybrid tendon]

bismarck with 10k hp and super barrage

[vague token]

insta kills hood oof

[hybrid tendon]

at this rate of power creeping

[gilded atlas]

it would just create a team of wash sodak bismarck

[hazy rain]

did those Akagas had their own amagi tho

[vague token]

or just bonus damage against medium and light armor probs

[gilded atlas]

no kms

[dull hollow]

no it was nagaka

so the strongest akaga possible

[gilded atlas]

unless she has something like a flagship bonus to kms botes

[hybrid tendon]

well there should be tosa and bc akagi in the rerun

or some shit

all the foxes in the world

[vague token]

bc akagi amd bb kaga oh no

[hybrid tendon]

baga is kinda meh in pvp

but ok in pve

[vague token]

50/50 barrage lel

[hybrid tendon]

like an IJN wash

[vague token]

how is her torp stat again?

[hybrid tendon]

almost

[vague token]

amagi hits like 190

[hybrid tendon]

who cares those torps can pop suicide botes

[vague token]

oh rip

[hybrid tendon]

wait

its "can" not "cant"

[vague token]

oxytorp for torpedo mains when