pvp

[real notch]

so use VF17 and reppuu

reppuu reppuu is also very good and potentially better

but not many people have 2 reppuus

[modern tree]

@frank musk AL EN launched on August 16 I believe so this is when you can probably expect anniversary

[zenith tundra]

should i attack this or wait?

[modern tree]

I think this is 31-32 points

pretty low

[zenith tundra]

i already feel the next attempts all at 25 points

@real notch so vf-17 would be better on kaga or akagi?

[real notch]

@zenith tundra reppuu on kaga VF17 on akagi

[zenith tundra]

ok

[final pulsar]

ok so Z23 is the only one who needs the 100mm ??

[zenith tundra]

if your using z1 z23 and z46, z46 should also use twin 100 for her barrage spam

[final pulsar]

I use her with Z1 and laffy LOL

[modern tree]

in pvp terms? you'd use it for every proc/barrage focused destroyer and sometimes for Atlanta class

[zenith tundra]

if your using z1 might as well use another z vanguard if u have it

[ivory vale]

Can someone help with pvp comp plz what should I use and what should I change in my team? Am still new and learning

[final pulsar]

Now should I use one on Z1 aswell for pvp ?

[real notch]

Z1 i would not recommend for PVP

@ivory vale swap ent for sodak

or, do amagi + twinfox

[zenith tundra]

a strong formation would be south dakota washington + enty/amagi

[final pulsar]

she gives the absured buff to z23 ?

[real notch]

vanguard looks ok, i would recommend an aurora or jintsuu tho

[zenith tundra]

vanguard u can either go more def with juneau instead of aya or jintsuu instead of helena for trop

or even full desron with aurora aya jintsuu

[thorny bramble]

Amakaga opop

[final pulsar]

for Enty a6m5 or seafang ?

[modern tree]

Z1 has pretty low firepower so no matter what gun you give her, she will probably not do much with it. I'd personally use twin 120mm or twin 127mm since they should probably have comparable dps. All that said, Z vanguard is probably way too late to do great now that we have Aurora and it's getting popular in pvp

[ivory vale]

@real notch where do I get the two foxes? And ok I’ll switch with Dakota, bit what about the front line ship? Should I change any of them?

[real notch]

@final pulsar seafang better

@ivory vale 3-4

your frontline ships are ok

you will get better results with jintsuu, ayanami, aurora

[ivory vale]

Is Jintsuu good for pvp

[real notch]

tho

[ivory vale]

Oh ok I’ll try to get aurora

Thanks a lot guys

[real notch]

if anything, swap out helena - she is very good but not top top tier imo

aurora or jintsuu will perform better

and np

[zenith tundra]

u would use helena only if u use enty if not not worth

[final pulsar]

wow aurora seems insane

[zenith tundra]

she is indeed

[real notch]

aurora is insane just a little squishy

pair her up with a CV backline and you will melt enemy VGs

[zenith tundra]

if aurora had extra dmg on cls too....

[final pulsar]

for HMS whats the best main fleet ? Queen,hood and warpsike?

[thorny bramble]

Im reading above and im wondering why reppuu on kaga and vf-17 on akagi

And which one do i put ryuusei on

If only one ryuusei

[modern tree]

You'd put Ryuusei on Kaga if you wanted because better efficency, but you might not want to

[zenith tundra]

ryuusei on kaga any day

[thorny bramble]

Hm kk

[modern tree]

because its slower than cudas and has mixed results

[zenith tundra]

no reason to get that snipping power without extra efficiency

[modern tree]

(I cant stop using it myself tho)

[zenith tundra]

i will never take ryusei off kaga

[thorny bramble]

What about reppuu and vf-17

Reppuu on kaga since u want faster kaga launches?

[real notch]

i don't recommend ryuusei

[thorny bramble]

Really?

[real notch]

because of consistency and timing issues

[thorny bramble]

Hmm

Just double banana then ig

[coral wren]

sakura torps are shit in pvp... they aim at vanguard and then tokyo drifto into the side

[real notch]

ye, until you get nagato buffed foxes ryuusei is just going to fan out and hit VG

[zenith tundra]

i have no gold barra yet so no choice for me

[modern tree]

I just said it aaaa

[thorny bramble]

Well u said “might”

[real notch]

it's inconsistent and hurts your takeoff airstrike timer

[thorny bramble]

And he said “no”

Lol

[modern tree]

and sakura torps are good on offense because torps drop almost on top of the VG so you end up blowing them up reasonably often, just not often enough

[real notch]

also, you may not know but in a fleet with 2 or 2+ CVs, normalized airstrike timers within 0.3sec will just launch simultaneously

so the majority of the time it's not about which fox fires first because both foxes will fire simultaneously

[modern tree]

I like to think people should decide for themselves given all the information they require

[zenith tundra]

on offense since ships are closer to your side u have a higher chance of them going for main fleet instead of vanguard

[modern tree]

also pvp is free, go try it

[zenith tundra]

pretty much only reason to run sakura

[thorny bramble]

Yeah i will do testing myself

[real notch]

ye, zack is right though

however in CN/JP people run ryuusei on defense anyways

because usually no VGs live a sendai flare/aurora debuff + nagato buffed foxes

so you don't need cuda to wipe VG

[thorny bramble]

So sakura on offense and double banana on defense

Kk

Ty

I will test myself tho

[real notch]

well

i prefer consistency anyways so cudas always for me

[zenith tundra]

u should try it for yourself tho

i remember snipping enty before airstrike with hood akaga

[modern tree]

I like one Ryuusei, but shouldnt really go for 2 because then you just hell overkill sodak/any other ship and cry

[zenith tundra]

a bit harder with amagi

[calm vector]

Any way to ascertain which ship will be across from who or is it rng

[modern tree]

left to right is

[real notch]

@calm vector ordering is mid --> top --> bottom

for backline

[calm vector]

Oh thank you that's handy

Is the vanguard the same or different

[real notch]

vanguard ordering is bot --> mid --> top

[frank musk]

Why seafang on enty oposed to hellcat/repuu maybe im dumb

[real notch]

@frank musk reppuu on ent

[zenith tundra]

1st is tank 2nd is middle and 3rd is off tank for vanguard

[real notch]

never seafang

well seafang is good

but reppuu is better

[spiral hull]

Anyone know how much stats is optimal amakaga backline with oath

Does it cross 13k or nah

[zenith tundra]

hakaga wasn't over 13k and amagi has less fleet power than hood

[odd schooner]

Very bad start +32

[spiral hull]

Yeah hakaga is 12.9

12.8~9

Hmm I didn't notice amagi's pwr is less than hood, 1k hp too much I guess

[zenith tundra]

amagi power unequipped is 2479 with 200 oath

i don't have max oath hood tho

[modern tree]

max oat bis hood is 4534

[zenith tundra]

unequipped?

how much

[modern tree]

max oath bis amagi is 4413

naked hood is 2600 with 200

[zenith tundra]

i get 4428

[coral wren]

is the BM duo viable in any way

[modern tree]

I use beaver on my amagi because her health is lower than sodak

[zenith tundra]

pvp don't think so. too low hp

[modern tree]

and extra acc from second SG is nothing

[zenith tundra]

i prefer hit tbh since bad acc tbh

plus badge is better on a vanguard that could survive more imo

[coral wren]

pair them with dakota or smth that protects them

[zenith tundra]

sd has a long cd

akaga will eat em alive by then

[modern tree]

Monitors have about half health of Pinz Eugen and by extenson pretty much about half as much as they need to live past 15 seconds in pvp

the only way this works is QE, stacking evasion and a prayer

but if you want strong decisive fights then there are better options out there

like helena enterprise or Akagi and Kaga

[elder crane]

Yep, basically they can't reliably survive any sort of attack from the defending team, and don't hit early enough to preemptive anything
Heck, I'm pretty sure opening torps from a torp-fl have a decent chance to kill them

[modern tree]

my Jintsuu torps crit for 5.6k so just one is enough to almost sink the monitor, and Ayanami can probably just do it on a crit

ALL THAT SAID, being bothered by something having low chance of working in an enviorment where you can reset the game endlessly with no penalty is boring, so go and try it, you can probably blow up a lot of people with it at the begining of the season

[elder crane]

Well, trying out meme teams is always fun

[spiral hull]

Sandy being disappointing

Fought 2 amakaga comps

[ivory vine]

if you see my comp randomly dont fight it cuz i have bootleg shit

[spiral hull]

One with all 3 oathed and 13.3k almost, other with akaga oathed and 13k

[elder crane]

the concern is that monitors will definitely get walled out vs certain teams, with near-0 chance of victory

[spiral hull]

Probably using gold cata x2s

[elder crane]

oh lol that fleet power tells the whole story

and/or BTD-1/Comet

[coral wren]

how many planes can sandy shoot down anyways

[modern tree]

Comet

[elder crane]

maybe even gold BB gun

[spiral hull]

I don't think btd1 were used

It'd probably be higher

Let's see

[elder crane]

A single BTD-1 over SB2C is about 150 more power

Cata is ~150 too

amaka maxed BiS is 12.8 iirc?

[modern tree]

Sandy can warm the bench while she waits for a retrofit. It's her best use in pvp

[coral wren]

btd having more power is because rarity though

[modern tree]

if you want meme AA power, use her sister Juneau

[elder crane]

so 12.8 -> 13.3k is at least 3 pieces of subpar gold equip

[modern tree]

or Cleveland

[coral wren]

sb2c has 500lbs which is generally better

[spiral hull]

Ok nvm it was 2x gold cata + gold bomber

[modern tree]

rip

[spiral hull]

BiS unoathed

[elder crane]

At least not a gold BB gun though, right

[spiral hull]

All steam cata + sb2c

All gold cata + btd1s

[modern tree]

but to be fair, expecting sensible fleets this early in a season is probably silly

[spiral hull]

13.3k sounds like full gold

Yea but it's just sad when someone oaths them and still memes them

[modern tree]

maybe they like their pve flexing

[spiral hull]

Also let me go swap back before people start judging me

[zenith tundra]

even max oath too

[modern tree]

I know I am using a flex fleet right now

[coral wren]

again the power difference is because of rarity and sb still prolly more dmg

[modern tree]

but its more of a social experiment

[elder crane]

Wait a sec

lol I caught the number loading

1 sec, will redo

[zenith tundra]

my not max oath amagi akaga is 12548 missing max oath on akaga

[spiral hull]

There's no probably

Sb2c is certainly more dmg

[elder crane]

There we go, BiS 200 affection

Ignore frontline

[spiral hull]

Nice

[elder crane]

I'm experimenting with WASDA

[spiral hull]

[modern tree]

why run aya over Jintsuu?

they sort of have the same role but Jintsuu is better at it

by which I mean holding your rainbow gear and getting lucky

[elder crane]

I'm too lazy to swap equip

[modern tree]

I see

[spiral hull]

I run aya

Cuz jintsuu won't drop

[elder crane]

Plus, can't really test yet, no good ppl to test against

[velvet fossil]

[ivory vine]

just get jintsuu zuyi

[modern tree]

I was thinking of using belfast in my fleet because everyone seems to be using foxes now but I am not sure if that wouldnt make my fleet worse

man, I dumped so much oil to get Jintsuu before danger level, but I regret absolutely nothing

[spiral hull]

Dax are u running amakaga jun jin aurora?

[elder crane]

I think just going all-in on suicide frontline is better for Amaka, and maybe even for WASDA

Will try it both ways this season for WASDA

[odd schooner]

Suicide strats work on wasd

[modern tree]

hold on, rare flex from me

[odd schooner]

[spiral hull]

Oo wasd

[odd schooner]

Also might want to put amagi up

[modern tree]

its old SS, my amagi is max oath now and I am working on getting sodak and jintsuu there since I was REALLY LAZY bout oaths

[spiral hull]

All these oathers

[odd schooner]

[elder crane]

I still only have minnie max oathed for frontliners

[elder crane]

Maxed from all the ch10 farming

[zenith tundra]

still missing 3 oaths and 3 levels on aurora

[elder crane]

I'm still missing aurora

[modern tree]

I am sure if you do well as a mod they will give you gems so you can oath your pvp fleet to stop embarrasing them

[ivory vine]

[elder crane]

8 Sandy so far aurora hunting

[ivory vine]

there's nothing they could do to make zuyi not embarrass them

[zenith tundra]

i got like 15 sandy before aurora

[modern tree]

I got so many belfasts while looking for Aurora, surprisingly, only enough sandy to retrofit her so I am keeping them as lucky charm

[zenith tundra]

plus some belfast

[elder crane]

See, I wonder if I can somehow squeeze the third IJN vanguard into WASDA, since having amagi's 45% is such a nice QoL boost, especially for staggering BB fire

[zenith tundra]

kagerou or fubuki

[elder crane]

But juneau might just be too good to not run

[modern tree]

There are not many good options and this here is my def fleet so Juneau is necesary

[odd schooner]

Trying this one out. So far it protects the fleet from 30s blitz but not from 40s

[zenith tundra]

on def way to squishy full ijn frontline

[elder crane]

Poi's the only real option I have leveled right now

[modern tree]

Kagerou Bucky or Abukuma are like best options

or a taco

[elder crane]

Abukuma or Takao being my only other ones

[spiral hull]

But I suck as a mod dax

orz

[zenith tundra]

i think i played against that and lost @odd schooner

[odd schooner]

Sumire?

[zenith tundra]

same fleet as that

[odd schooner]

i asked him to do that too

[zenith tundra]

i think it was his tho

[odd schooner]

Oh wrong pic

[modern tree]

I was thinking of running a cockroach frontline but god the slow fights are killing me

I think Fortune is a good tech but also pointless

because planes are not the issue

[zenith tundra]

that i guess. it's pretty insane with heals and defense. my akaga got rekt quite badly

[modern tree]

and HMS cant snipe amagi ever

[odd schooner]

Fortune is just there to avoid unnecessary opening torp KO from back

[elder crane]

Yeah, slow teams on offense are [residentsleeper]

[zenith tundra]

fortune reduces damage just enough for heals to be back at full

[modern tree]

if I wanted to run something more defensive I'd stick to Belfap Juneau Jintsuu because Belfast has super high torps and boosting her reload is dumb

Fortune just seems so... outdated atm

[zenith tundra]

u lose so hard with agaka against that that vanguard is almost irrelevant tbh

[modern tree]

well, yeah, fortune belfas june is a fox hunter

borderline unbreakable

[zenith tundra]

2nd airstrike barely to under half life while akaga almost dead

[odd schooner]

Actually we could try jintsuu

[modern tree]

I think Jintsuu or something with smoke works better

would be hard for me to test tho

#sandy

[odd schooner]

The problem is that

If the front stays too long

[zenith tundra]

fortune is an amazing tool for stalling vanguard too tho

[odd schooner]

1 backline dies

Hence the fortune

[zenith tundra]

if fortune just flies around and never gets hit even aurora jintsuu aya cannot kill the main fleet

[elder crane]

I forget, how's fortune's AA damage?

[odd schooner]

I think DDs will only go fully expired when we get nagato

[modern tree]

Amagi is usually the thing that breaks first for me so I gave her the beaver badge and while it doesnt stop plane suicide, she might dodge bombs and torps better which helps

[odd schooner]

156

110%

[modern tree]

and sodak with 2 sgs still has good eva, with 10% eva rate if Amagi is alive

so I think it might overal be a better choice

[odd schooner]

I'm not using Beaver at all on this fleet washy and sodak on double sg amagi on fcr sg

[elder crane]

If planes is the main issue for backline, a high AA-effectiveness ship over fortune might be an option to test out

[odd schooner]

Nah blue the one usually kills off backline is ayanami demon dance or 2nd wave of torpedoes

[modern tree]

I dont think you can ever kill planes

[odd schooner]

Backline*

[modern tree]

if Juneau is not enough, nothing will be

and stacking too much against foxes just makes you lose the mirror

[zenith tundra]

sandy kai

[odd schooner]

Nah even sandy can't kill every plane

That's why new stall fleet became IJN

[elder crane]

It's more to reduce suicide damage, which amagi's evasion skill doesn't help against
As long as planes reach your backline with >30% HP, every bit of AA damage helps keep backline alive

[modern tree]

you can also use sandy for handy dandy 15% aa buff which reduces plane damage

it still probably wont have much more impact than running fortune tbh

[elder crane]

It's actually pretty close, +50% AA with how AA dmg reduction works is about 20% dmg reduction on Amagi and 30% reduction on WASD for all aviation damage, and that's before counting the reduced plane HP from the higher AA (and it applies to frontline too)
15% activation per AA shot (~30% activation assuming your AA hits twice, ~40% if hit 3 times) is too RNG though, and fortune is a much better ship platform than sandy is

Plus, it does nothing for non-aviation damage (torps and gunfire)

[coral wren]

Amagi is taking her sweet time to level up all of her skills, have hers at i think 6/10/8 respectively

leveling up Essex is going to be fun considering how she also has one of each color and they're all OP

[ivory vine]

that's better than multiple reds

[real notch]

maxed amakaga is like 12.7-12.8k

[dark nova]

I think you can hit 13k backline with amakaga if you max affection

[zenith tundra]

when waiting pays off when i less expect

u can aim for full fleet power but generally speaking bis equip is better

and with bis equip u don't hit 13k with amakaga

[dark nova]

I'm talking about bis

[ivory vine]

some guy posted earlier at just about 12.8k

said he had bis/200 aff

[dark nova]

I feel like we should define what bis the bis equips are first

[real notch]

it's definitely not 13k

[dark nova]

What equips?

[real notch]

12.8 sounds more like it

purple main gun amagi

purple dive bomber + 1x purple aux on CVs

[zenith tundra]

akaga should be gold fighter purple diver gold torp gold cata purple oil

[real notch]

BiS is pretty generally accepted common sense

[dark nova]

Ah okay, I'm using 2x cata atm on akaga

it's closer to 13k hence why I wanted to confirm

[zenith tundra]

amagi purple bb gun gold dd gun gold aa and hsfcr + beaver/sg radar

u use oil tanks in pvp

not double cata

[dark nova]

I've tried both, didn't really seem to matter in offense

you just nuke them down either way

[zenith tundra]

more hp is better against heavy aa plus extra touchdown damage

[real notch]

ye oil tanks just result in higher total damage dealt

no reason to not use it

[zenith tundra]

this is great lol

+38

[odd schooner]

[elder crane]

For reference, swapping a purple plane or drop tank for gold equivalent is about 150 power per piece

So, 12.95k-2 X 0.15k (purple drop tank over gold cata)=12.65k power

(I'm guessing the team given wasn't 200 aff)

[zenith tundra]

more like from

126 from gold cata to oil

[elder crane]

Yeah, planes are a bit more, at just over 150 iirc

I just went with 150 so it's just one thing to remember

Halleluiah, all my daily resets in and 5 battles in, I get my first person in my PvP queue willing to climb

[zenith tundra]

i've been sitting on 9/10 since after maintenance...

4 than 9

[elder crane]

I missed the end of maint, it happened just as I left for my 1.5h morning commute, so I missed that rush

I had a nice plan in place for it and all

[zenith tundra]

i think i was 30mins late too

[elder crane]

7:15 : bus arrives
7:18: maint ends
(schedules maint end was 9 AM EST)

[zenith tundra]

seems like around 2am cet is a good time for people to use their attempts lol

[native mantle]

hmmm i was just able to gather 233 points....

[lime rivet]

Oof

Went up against an amakaga fleet with my hms

Amagi's barrage fired almost at the same time akaga launched

Right into belfast's smoke

should've used FCRs

[elder crane]

You can get it down even earlier, 18 s on 410s, 45% skill+15% FCR for 60% reduction
which puts it at before belfast smoke

[coral wren]

good idea!

[zenith tundra]

3/5 attempts minimum score really good start...

[elder crane]

Better than 5/5 for my first five

though at least I'm only 6/8 right now

[zenith tundra]

opponents in ur list reset with new season?

i finished my 5th attempt like 15secs before new ones and still got nothing

[coral wren]

fml... none of the ppl that I got was playing at all

I waited till last min

even

[ivory vale]

Noob question, why this ship girl is used on pvp ?

[zenith tundra]

because of her heal

u hope she dies 1st so u can heal all other ships. especially main fleet

[ivory vale]

She heals?

[zenith tundra]

martyr skill

[ivory vale]

Ok thanks

[vague token]

it's a lot

25%

xD

[zenith tundra]

it is

[vague token]

(and doubled hp values in pvp)

or whatever it was

[zenith tundra]

2. All ships have double the HP.

it's in the pins

[vague token]

yeah

[sacred mesa]

tf when lusty is mvp

[elder crane]

She's pretty fast to launch with her F/F/TB setup, so she'll do that in fast battles

[hoary umbra]

How can I incorporate Eldridge? Also, what equipment do I put on Eldridge?

Wait. That’s my defence

[zenith tundra]

u could replace laffey with eldridge. also use 76mm gold homing gold aa and pearl + toolbox on her

[hoary umbra]

What about AA?

[zenith tundra]

113 gold is bis if not gold skc

she should be off tank spot

[hoary umbra]

So much technical shit I don’t understand lol

So she should be using the same gun I put on ayayayaya?

[zenith tundra]

yes because her barrage is good in pvp

[hoary umbra]

Ight

What about toros

Torps*

[zenith tundra]

if u have magnetic torpedoes to spare put them on her

[hoary umbra]

Ight

What’s this 113 aa?

Is it the UFO?

[zenith tundra]

yes

[hoary umbra]

Ok

I gotta farm for it so many times UGHHHHH

_>

Where does 76 drop again

[zenith tundra]

if not u can use gold skc

[hoary umbra]

Yeah that’s what I’m doing

[zenith tundra]

auxiliaries are pearl tear and toolbox for extra hp

u can also consider changing either aya or helena with belfast when fighting against akaga

[hoary umbra]

Ight

Thanks

[zenith tundra]

also eldridge is pretty pointless against amagi akaga since her evasion buff only works after 20 secs

she's a good counter to helena enty combo tho

[odd schooner]

3rd reset and no one is attacking

An out of refresh

[gritty cove]

Yup same luck here

[hushed kayak]

can someone send the azur lane guide ?

[odd schooner]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1K8pnVnwbpOHmTzbz9iwYXG2WAQIRlC3ktHrta8dG-t8/edit?usp=drivesdk

@hushed kayak

[hushed kayak]

ty

[zenith tundra]

i got lucky and someone did some of their attempts earlier. still need to waste 4 tho

[odd schooner]

Well that's how it works

Then like desc

He made 2 40+

Last season

[zenith tundra]

i managed 1+38 2+28 2+25 and 1+22 so far

[odd schooner]

Feels like

Dead time

No one's moving at all

[subtle whale]

[hoary umbra]

How to make a guide: start out by writing “this is a guide”

XD

[vague token]

i used my matches so if you see me go get those points

xD

[odd schooner]

[modern tree]

No points, no problem

[odd schooner]

No one moved

I just burned them away now

No one moved lmao

Welp

Slack season again

[real notch]

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

GUESS WHAT GUYS

[vague token]

no amagi?

[real notch]

#trophy-room

CHECK

[vague token]

yo

you did it

see

we believed in you

now you can spend 3 weeks getting her skills

[pearl nimbus]

[real notch]

OMEGALUL

i was 3 weeks late but

time to get started

[vague token]

yep

[odd schooner]

@real notch grats boii

[trail hollow]

Decided to meme up my team with gold guns

[vague token]

lol

[livid fractal]

[odd schooner]

[edgy kiln]

@real notch gratz, how many cubes lost?

[real notch]

thankssss @odd schooner

@edgy kiln 352 lol

[odd schooner]

[edgy kiln]

rip

[odd schooner]

Better than nothing

Like my green heart case

[echo wave]

anyone have good recommended equipment for eldringe in pvp ? im new need help

[uneven trench]

i think gold twin 127mm, whatever gold torps you have, roomba AA gun, toolboxes works

dont put evasion boosting auxs on eldridge cause she needs to take damage to trigger op rainbow

[echo wave]

i see finally thanks for the answer @uneven trench '

[vague token]

personally i use the 100mm, toolbox or tears, and a boiler because she's slow

not sure if optimal though

[maiden agate]

@echo wave Use gold 100mm main gun because her barrage is very good and she also has decent firepower. Magnetic torps are prefered, otherwise just use any gold. For auxillary use Toolbox or Pearl's Tear + Advance Boiler because she is very slow for a DD and will drag her team down without it. Speed is important for dodging BB shells, which is one of the main threats to Eldridge

[echo wave]

@vague token @maiden agate thanks for the advice

[swift echo]

Laughs in smokescreen

[subtle whale]

laugh in aurora

[coral wren]

I see 2-3 dead ships in the opening 20 secs lul from that comp

[odd schooner]

One definitely dies

[quaint gorge]

still leveling Amagi
Hood or North Carolina for Sodak Wash?

[pearl nimbus]

Hood 🇪🇺

[lone pendant]

amagi

[native mantle]

got my amagi married and to level 100

[odd schooner]

Wow someone's convinced with the wasdA fleet

Finally

[coral wren]

finally 200 aff on my amagi. jesus that took a while

[livid fractal]

WasdAmagi with fortune is actually good

[urban coral]

hmmm... fortune bel and jun?

[livid fractal]

Yes

[urban coral]

nice

[livid fractal]

I had a hard time defeating one.. Tried wasdenty, hms, akagaHood. Still didn't work for me

Decided to do WasdHood, then Hood vs Amagi face.. If kill her with barrages you win since Hood hurts more (in my opinion) kill Amagi and remove those skills and you win

[urban coral]

Just need to get her support skill to level 8 and I'll probably be able to try that

WASD+Amaga does pose an awkward problem
Auxiliary equipments...

[coral wren]

u dun have 5 SGS laying around?

[modern tree]

I don't think it does. You run gold fcr and beaver on Amagi then sgs in all other slots. Max tank

[coral wren]

farm 6-1 more

beaver on amagi 😮

[odd schooner]

What problem

[modern tree]

She needs to be alive for her passive so badge is almost a no brainier

[livid fractal]

I put beaver on my sodak since she can last long

[coral wren]

man she lasts longest aslong as she gets low firstr

[modern tree]

Sodak with 2 sgs and amagi passive is tankier than sodak with beaver sg and amagi dead

[odd schooner]

Well, no one's taking me seriously

[livid fractal]

[urban coral]

"u dun have 5 SGS laying around?"
wish I had 4 and a ton of purple plates

[odd schooner]

@urban coral most ppl right now has 7-10

So ye

Just grind a bit

You'll get there too. Just keep moving forward

[urban coral]

welp, guess I'll just leave yuudachi for another day then

[odd schooner]

[urban coral]

[coral wren]

Fadm fam I teach u how ot farm yuudachi

[charred sable]

The echos are real

[coral wren]

you do 6-4 hard mode 3 star

and then u can insta go to boss for yuudachi 6 times a day!

[urban coral]

I'm doing that and normal mode

[coral wren]

thats what I do since I have very little carrier bps for some reason

[rose nebula]

https://gyazo.com/a1c87c8ea3182507b7da653acaf0fd09 What's the best pvp team I can make?

[livid fractal]

WasdHood/WasdEnt/AkagaHood

pick which one's are you comfortable with

[rose nebula]

Prob wasdhood

[livid fractal]

There you go.

[rose nebula]

Lol, so frontline doesn't matter all that much?

[livid fractal]

Is that all you have?

[rose nebula]

Leveled at least, yea

[livid fractal]

You can do for Clev/Bel/Helena

Juneau/Fortune/Bel. Jintsuu/Aurora/Bel or Ayanami

[rose nebula]

Sweet, ty!

Appreciate it milim

[livid fractal]

[charred sable]

Hmm, Ayayaya on the top or Jintsuu?

[urban coral]

Jintsuu?

[charred sable]

Reasoning?

Assuming all lvl 100s I mean

[livid fractal]

I think that's fine

[urban coral]

She has her second support skill

but then again... she's not retrofitted is she

wait

[charred sable]

She is, just not max skill yet, but assume lvl 100, max skills, retrofit, oathed

I've not gotten Aurora yet, though I'm not sure if I'd want to replace Ayaname with Aurora

[urban coral]

then Jintsuu at the top is better imo

[gilded atlas]

left ship tends to take torp when escort moving forward and right when moving backwards

[rose nebula]

Something like this for all their gear?
https://imgur.com/a/g2gvmP0

[gilded atlas]

depends on position

most left probably getting 1 torp bulge would be ideal

[rose nebula]

https://gyazo.com/48dc2d9e4af3abb8f6e7b6d6bba3e74e

Belfast then?

[livid fractal]

Put Beaver in the backline, put bel in the middle

[rose nebula]

So gear and positions like this then?
https://imgur.com/a/49pLinS

[coral wren]

where ur skin on Helena :c

blasphmy

[rose nebula]

I gotta wait for my money to transfer, then I will buy 😉

[coral wren]

[livid fractal]

Yeah I think that's fine for now

You can adjust them later by replacing them.

[native mantle]

but wouldn't jhuneau be better then cleave?

[rose nebula]

Not leveled up yet

[livid fractal]

He doesn't have one avail

Like you can replace Clev with Juneau.

Ah I'm lagging

[rose nebula]

So when I can, replace clev with juneau, any others to replace?

[native mantle]

switch hood for amagi later i would say

[livid fractal]

Replace Helena with Fortune or Eldridge

[rose nebula]

Roger

[native mantle]

IIRC then amagi is even without that 4 IJN buff stronger then hood for WASD

[livid fractal]

Later Meta will change once chapter 11 is out.

Sendai, Jintsuu

[native mantle]

or I'm wrong?

[coral wren]

WTB fox ear + tail skin for Aurora to fit into IJN furry fleet

[lean flower]

I feel like there's something I'm not getting with PVP, I've followed the advice that's on the wiki, fighting only people that are a higher rank over me, but some people are already in the top 100s? Is this just something that's completely luck based?

and the point margin is huge too

[modern tree]

Have you waited for your opponents to play their games or just fough the leftmost?

Cuz former is how you farm extra points

[lean flower]

i've been waiting, how big of a point difference gives the maximum amount?

Sometimes when I'm pressed for time I'll fight people that are ~200 ranks higher than me because they don't play it out

I'm just baffled that some people are already at the top, it's not like you can get more exercises,

these people in the top are sitting at a score of around 440 while I'm sitting at 291

[modern tree]

Bigger point difference is better. Mind that all you can see is rank so it's hard to tell. Today I got a guy who pushed for top 10 while I was at about 5k. This is probably the most you can get

[lean flower]

Oh, so it's about point difference, not rank difference

doesn't that mean it's quite literally a coin toss

[modern tree]

Yea

Its is all luck and your own experience in doing it

I have no issues hitting top 10 on my server at the end of every season so if it was just about luck, this would mean I am extremely lucky. Learning to abuse this dumb system is a long process tho

[lean flower]

I see, it does seem like a rather convoluted pvp system

[modern tree]

If you can get 2 over average point games per reset, you will cheat yourself to high ranks rather easily

[lean flower]

I noticed you get more points earlier on when you're still able to promote and what not, does that have any more bearing than you would if you were a rear admiral ?

[modern tree]

Higher ranks earn less points per games yeah, and your extra points are based on point difference so early in the season it's rather easy to snipe ridiculous extra points, like 15 per game or something

Later in the season you are happy with one extra and extatic about two

[lean flower]

Alright. Thanks for the short lecture on pvp and how it works

I don't so much care about being #1, but more about how much I can flex on the people on my server haha

[modern tree]

What server are you on?

[lean flower]

washington

[modern tree]

Wash is the freshest server so the competition is gonna be a lot more lenient. I am sure you can flex on people there quite a bit with just some effort to min max your points

[maiden agate]

Yeah I've been getting max merit every season on Washington ever since I got my USS main fleet

not too many tryhards here

[lunar veldt]

oh hey ping/ning kais

now we need yat sen

[sturdy zephyr]

👀

[gritty cove]

I was actually just in the process of leveling them

[odd schooner]

This is why placing juneau mid is important

Yep, 10 matches same result

Gets overhealed

[lunar veldt]

and yet people still put juneau at the front

ez overheals

ez points

[gritty cove]

I've used jin,aurora,june. Not sure if I should do any switching with aurora and june

On def

[odd schooner]

Back is fine actually

It's not as safe as mid but it's

[lunar veldt]

kek juneau last ship standing

[coral wren]

slightly overheal vs havinug juneau as the last ship standing after ur backline dies

which is worse

[lunar veldt]

last ship for the memes

[odd schooner]

Jesus saves

[gritty cove]

The evasion stats on ping/ning at lv 100 are really good for EN, but we have aurora so

[odd schooner]

Usual hp bars after first airstrike

Jesus mid

Backline hp

2nd air strike sodak eats every plane

[gritty cove]

Have you found any Hiryuu backliners

[odd schooner]

One 2 seasons ago

Or maybe 3

3 seasons ago

[gritty cove]

[worthy meteor]

Hiryuu will probably come back when her retrofit drops

[odd schooner]

She is too soft

At the moment

[modern tree]

if by "come back" you mean "become playable", then yes

[worthy meteor]

Ye

[gritty cove]

How many screencaps do you have

[real notch]

higehigebomber

i tested against him once

[odd schooner]

On that fight? Just two

[gritty cove]

Like overall from the pvp matches

[odd schooner]

Uhh

If during matches pic
It starts by late October

[gritty cove]

[clear cloud]

why is CN fleet (ning, ping hai, yat sen) not recommended in pvp?
never saw them in pvp tier list (CN JP)

[worthy meteor]

idk

Probably because they can get countered by ships like Aurora

[odd schooner]

Pvp related stuff was sept 3. My first gensui pic

[lunar veldt]

cuz they counter nakaga to a certain extent

and only nakaga

but they make w12 autoable

kek

fleets like WASD with frontline stallers can do a better job than the china fleet

but hey they are cute

[coral wren]

why China not have big ships?

[real notch]

china navy sucked

have u seen yat sens hp

just look at that and then tell my why she's not in pvp

[worthy meteor]

She's as fragile as Aya

except she's a light cruiser

LUL

something's off here :^)

[lunar veldt]

she is just there to buff ping/ning

and die

[worthy meteor]

yup

[gritty cove]

If we get Yat sen with pingning kais, I can see that being really good with the evasion stats on EN atm

But after that

[worthy meteor]

You could just bring Aurora against them imo

[lunar veldt]

or sendai by than

but hey atleast something different

[worthy meteor]

i don't have Sendai so <.<

and she's not out for us

[lunar veldt]

but ping/ning kais aint cheap

[worthy meteor]

yet

Yup

[lunar veldt]

thats why people dont use them

[modern tree]

what do you mean "cheap" in terms of pvp

[worthy meteor]

nah like

Retrofiting the Hai sisters is expensive

[lunar veldt]

u can use those resources on bettter ships

that can do a better job

but they are so cute argh

[worthy meteor]

35 main gun purple plates 50 general purple plates, each

[modern tree]

they are competing with Sandy, Portland, Jintsuu, Mogami and that might be it? We have only one of them on EN so shelling out bps should be simple enough, and getting plates is so obnoxiously easy in this event

the biggest wall might honestly be 62k coins

and while thats quite a bit, eeehhh, its like 3 days of farming?

[lunar veldt]

about there

where my portland kai at

[modern tree]

seriously

where she at

[gritty cove]

They'll put the other one someday too in the news

[modern tree]

we got news of one, but they relay the info slow

considering they recorded voice for yatsen recently

we are likely getting the whole set

they probably wanted to release it for chinese new year but got stuck in licensing bog or something, it happens

[real notch]

just realized yat sen has high highs

[modern tree]

shes hot because she can equip 2 belguns

[zenith tundra]

is cn trio a thing in pvp?

[real notch]

chinameme?

[modern tree]

its probably serviceable if you face enough ijn frontlines, but all 3 of them are made of wet tissue and rely way too much on evasion to be really good, hello Aurora

[zenith tundra]

ok so i don't need to bother with them for a while

[idle python]

it's never really been a thing

[real notch]

probably never thanks to doggo ijn will never die

[idle python]

aurora (and sendai) just cut their evasion too much

and people run accuracy equips in pvp while in pve that doesn't exist

[zenith tundra]

i have almost 40 t3 cruiser bp but don't feel like wasting them on cn ships

but would cn trio work against non aurora ijn? that damage boost to ijn seems interesting

[lunar veldt]

as long as that ijn does not have sendai

they will work

[lofty smelt]

Barracuda or Ryusei in Kaga? Or does it really matter

[lunar veldt]

just slot yat sen at the back

or use her with peal tear

[real notch]

@lofty smelt both are great, i recommend barracuda

[lofty smelt]

I should just get lucky and get another barracuda to not need to worry about this decision

[zenith tundra]

i have 0 gold barra... god damn boxes are trash

[lofty smelt]

I have 2, I like keeping one on E, but sacrifice must be made for max meme pvp fleet.

[real notch]

just get lucky 4head

[lofty smelt]

EZ Clap

[zenith tundra]

also is name is no longer counting the pulls

[dull elm]

oof i remembered 2 minutes before reset i had 2 more pvp to do. Finished 3 seconds before reset .

[hot creek]

out sandbagging opponents feelsamazingman

[coral wren]

broken rank

[hot creek]

some guy in my lobby thought he was safe doing his pvps in the last 10 minutes

little did he know I start doing them in the last 5 minutes

[ivory vine]

i did mine in the last like 5 mins

but still no one climbed

[real notch]

thanks guys... everything is daijoubu except for my cube count

also a little bit of my sanity

couldn't have done it without your support

[finite valve]

so how much you wasted?

[real notch]

[finite valve]

400 or 380+?

[gritty cove]

Only a little bit late to the Amagi leveling

[finite valve]

lvling is ez

hard part is maxing skill

3 skill

lel

[real notch]

352

i will try my best to catch up

[finite valve]

now if only my academy slot are open for aurora skill

lel

[coral wren]

Thought, why haven't I seen the fox duo+Enty in PvP?

[finite valve]

that comp going to die to a lone belfap lel

[coral wren]

If I do see foxes they usually dont have Enty

[finite valve]

that comp only work if your front can kill their entire front in foxes 1 air strike

which is hard to do vs a belfap

not to mention if your front die = gg

[coral wren]

Hmm, so belfasts smokescreen hard counters

I guess I should raise my Belfast but I dont have the bulins

[lofty smelt]

Belfast doesn't do all that much to stop double foxes + torp memes I'm running, but she does help things live a little bit longer.

[coral wren]

I'm not seriously worrying about my comps that much until I have +10 weapons

[sacred mesa]

i run a 20's delete comp .-.

[coral wren]

I just have fox duo and enty plus laffey kai 23 kai and black heart

Probably but I also dont have the determination to get pvp ranks that require X rank

[real notch]

yep phantom is right

that comp was strong but i think amakaga is better

[coral wren]

I seem to lose more progress than I gain daily

[real notch]

and it relies heavily on desron nuking VG by 1st fox strike

[stoic vector]

which team comp wins: ijn fleet or chinese fleet

[coral wren]

Either I need RNG on my side to get higher ranking opponents or gems

[lofty smelt]

Definitely don't need gems for anything pvp

max oathed fleets still get destroyed with little to no difference made

[quaint ferry]

I get destroyed by many fleets but its mainly because I run a meme team

[vague token]

only brick wall ive faced is amakaga, which requires juneau to deal with the front loaded burst xD

[lofty smelt]

Juneau dies to this before her heals do anything

[vague token]

i can put juneau mid and she'll live just long enough

i dont think anything can really fight amakaga on offense

your damage is just too fast besides a mirror

in which case their torps might beat you because rng

xD

[lofty smelt]

I fought a mirror of this team maxed oath a few times and they still just die. Idk how optimal equip was, but extra damage on offense still melts it

[vague token]

yeah, i just mean the only thing that COULD contest them as defense

maybe wasd/amagi can do it

but you still need a mirror suicide vanguard

doesnt help that the only fox defense skill is belfast xD

since essex isnt out yet to meme

maybe with the Hai retros you can have pocket hard counter

or maybe i should train my NC

lol

or maybe i should air radar my front line kek

i love losing a backline ship to first air strike and torps xD

https://gyazo.com/fac5eb9a8a50c92c3e9d386164d065c1

this guy is walling me so hard

xD

[lofty smelt]

Which server? Looks like the guy I beat lol

[vague token]

avrora

i dont have a mirror to race to the bottom

so all i can do is reroll a billion times

im usually mostly dead on first air strike

yeesh, even if i make it through strike 1 with vanguard, no one can handle strike 2 T_T

so like, juneau/belfast/aurora (to counter their evade) usually is kinda weak

because their aurora just eats your cls

if you arent running akaga

so it's a problem xD

yo i did it, took me about 40 tries

xD

maximum rng

never got akagi

and i dont have jintsuu to match suicide vanguard

had to meme with some air radars

on the frontline

to deal with the damage lol

it means a bit to me, but i didnt expect the power disparity to be this large

like before, i could handle things with my slightly weaker than meta

but now it's just a brick wall lol

at least until we get essex or someone to just counteract first strike

since belfast gets countered by jintsuu/aurora

or we get 120 CAs where +2k hp becomes a big deal

and you just tank through the pain

lol

i getcha

amagi just makes any difference in damage output larger because of her debuff

so the less meta you go

the more she wrecks you

oh yeah, i wasnt even counting her own dps

which is really good

and she shoots really early

if she lands a hit on any vanguard, just 1 tap, the first strike is probably going to kill through smoke

if they have aurora

[sharp roost]

is it better to wait for 9/10 until almost reset time to get max pts?

[hot creek]

if you believe the opponents in your lobby will do their pvps yeah

the point of waiting is to see your opponents do their pvp so you can mooch off bonus points from them.

[quaint ferry]

I usually wait until I get my 5/10 attempts ready and try to fight whoever the lowest power fleet is for ez climb then after that wait for the rankings to "stabilize" then try whoever I can possibly beat

Its gonna be a while before my Akagi/Amagi/Kaga are ready to use

I know this is highly bad

[odd schooner]

@vague token the amagi wasd can counter that on offensive too

[real notch]

gl on the amakaga fleet

i'm working on amagi too

[vague token]

amagi wasd requires suicide front though

otherwise it doesnt

im pretty sure

[odd schooner]

They were my test subjects

That guy above

[vague token]

xD

no jintsuu so rip

[real notch]

yo i just thought of an amazing name for amagi + wasd fleet

[vague token]

plus i hate suicide

[real notch]

it's called wasdagi

[vague token]

lol

[real notch]

[odd schooner]

[vague token]

i wonder if nagato showing up made things feel like this lol in CN/JP

accept your ijn overlords

i see jay9 in my matches, oh boi

same comp yay

xD

[odd schooner]

Nagato showing up will make ijn worse

[vague token]

oh yeah i know

i mean when nagato was released initially

it probably felt like this

mirror/meta or get rekt

xD

[odd schooner]

Can't find another amagi user but it's like this

Should've taken lots of screenies against amagi akaga comp last season because apparently top 20 was filled of them

[vague token]

hmm, ill try that out next time

or rather in 2 hours when matches refresh

xD

does that front more or less die in first air strike + torps?

[odd schooner]

There's still a chance fortune dies if they eat a lot. That's why i removed beaver

[vague token]

too fast

lol

[odd schooner]

So they won't just walk through everything

[vague token]

yeah

[coral wren]

Aurora doesn't exist, confirmed

[vague token]

oof

[coral wren]

ehh who needs her I'll keep using belfast + aya retro + jintsuu

[vague token]

how many cubes

[coral wren]

maximum torpedo

oh not me

my friend

[vague token]

oh xD

[coral wren]

i've just been daily light building for her

need that skin

[vague token]

i think i burned 150 cubes for aurora

[odd schooner]

There are also times jesus kills their front and proceed to back and heals your backline

Maybe i should try swapping Washington with sodak

Brb

Nvm. She's just unlucky

But yeah if amagi is placed below, she dies

[vague token]

oh yeah

i really hate bottom slot

because cuda torps

always splash it

unless your vanguard eats them

which is bad

because there's still sakura torps in akaga

xD

i kinda wish there was like, a carrier aux that let them snipe

if they have sakura torps

or AP guns prioritized backline

xD

[elder crane]

Yeah, the 50/50 is super annoying

[odd schooner]

Found 2 amagi akaga fleet in 1 reset.
Was already testing stuff till family called

Guess what happened

Picture taken before disaster strikes

[stoic vector]

when yat sen comes out will it counter ijn fleets

[hot creek]

(x) doubt

[stoic vector]

15% fp buff from retro on ping/ning + 35% fp buff from each other + 25% damage buff from ijn
that's a lot of stacking

and yat sen helps with survivability

[elder crane]

Aurora means they're back to base squishiness values

[odd schooner]

They're too soft with aurora around

[stoic vector]

ah

[odd schooner]

Also yat sen hp

Check it on wiki

Guess what it is

[stoic vector]

D
oof

[elder crane]

Can they even cap Eva with the 100-150 accuracy ships in PvP?

[stoic vector]

what's good against amagi fleets then

[elder crane]

like the whole point of them in PvE is that the ~45 accuracy PvE mobs means they can hit Eva cap

[odd schooner]

I'll stop selling my fleet comp at this point

[elder crane]

The usual stuff can still beat them since 20% attacker bonus

Amaka is just so fast and with no hard counters, there's no reason to run any other attack fleet I feel

[vague token]

i dunno, i feel like wasd e will be walled

[elder crane]

Not vs amaka, from my short test

[vague token]

what frontline

[elder crane]

The suicide one does fine, have not gotten chance to test the older defensive one

It's a surprising struggle finding optimal fleets to test against

[vague token]

oh, yeah suicide mirror should be ok

[elder crane]

with just a bit of suboptimalness I find, it's just a curbstomp

[vague token]

if you dont mirror suicide your gun dps suffers

so you will lose

[elder crane]

Hmm, might try WASDE Juneau/Hel/Bel next time I find an Amaka
See if Hel+no-E activation can still reliably kill a backliner

[vague token]

yeah

imo the problem with not running aurora means defense torp

probably wont die

[odd schooner]

Either you run standard Washington fleet or fight them with fox fleet

Both works

Even hakaga works

[elder crane]

Yeah, 20% attacker bonus is no joke

I find as soon as the enemy fleet is even somewhat suboptimal, any optimized top fleet just steamrolls

[odd schooner]

Even if it's BiS

That's how friendly the system is to us

Sasuga yostar

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

Their coding is weird

But relieves a lot of stress

PvP is in favor 3:1

[elder crane]

Yeah, we say it's 20% attack bonus, but the coding is actually attacker has ~50% reduction, defense has ~40% iirc
and, the reduction is not the same for all classes of ships, it's quite wonky

[odd schooner]

1. 20% atk
2. List refresh
3. Exit game reset

[vague token]

does wasd run 406 or 410 into amakaga

[odd schooner]

410

406 on Washington is optional

[vague token]

huh, weird

[echo spruce]

[odd schooner]

@vague token you could try 406

[elder crane]

406 means you get one wave of shots after each akaga strike hits you, and around when torps launch
410 means you get 1 shot after wave 1, 1 during wave 2, and 3 before 3rd wave I think, and every shot is before torps launch
per firing wave, 406 does more.
Use whichever does more in the timing windows you expect.
Personally, I feel like there's minimal difference vs Amaka, since there's no particular timings to avoid or reach

[wise summit]

I can now personally confirm that both the shell and barrage of 410mm on Amagi hit before Belfast smoke when maxed with IJN reload bonus

and it's hilarious

[elder crane]

With or with no FCR?

[wise summit]

With HPFCR

and oath but I don't think it's that tight

[elder crane]

oath reload time difference is ~2%, so it shouldn't matter

at those timescales, 0.2 s difference

[zenith tundra]

someone with 10/10 now can post their score pls? i don't know if i lost 1 or 2 attempts earlier

32 behind lost 2 attempts

[wise summit]

I'm at 461 so you might have lost 3

[zenith tundra]

i didn't get any bonus 1st day freeze till the end

[odd schooner]

They still die inside the smoke anyway

[wise summit]

It's true they do die through smoke

[odd schooner]

Aurora too op

Gets worse with nagato

Worst with all 3 combined