pvp

[azure aurora]

For more meme

Sanshikidan best amo for meme

[modern tree]

How did the tests go? @hot creek

[hot creek]

pretty terrible win rates. like 50/50 and some of the wins were questionably close too.

i imagine it would be even worse one you max the skills

[modern tree]

Do you think this frontline is good, or would it be better if I dumped Aya?

[hot creek]

Aya is honestly broken. She survives for so long if you don't bring direct counters ie aurora or your own torp meme.

anyways, I used Juneau Fortune Leander for most of the tests

not completely sure if that would give the best win rates but I only had like an hour to play around before reset

[modern tree]

I could run other auxes than 2 boilers on Juneau if I wanted better frontline, I guess. Or just a third IJN for fast barrage, but I think that would be overal worse

[hot creek]

your frontline already puts a lot of pressure on mine. forces me to bring my own Junuea and a smokescreen

and even then, a lot things can still go wrong

[modern tree]

Sounds like I have suceeded at putting up something annoying/scary so I guess tis works

[hot creek]

there's just too much going for that comp.

like, if I bring a yolo fleet to kill your vangaurd, it doesn't matter cause they'll die to your backliners anyways

[modern tree]

my barrage is maxed and I still need to get Amagi and Sodak, and Jintsuu to 200, so ther's room to make it more scary

I guess I could also marry Juneau but I dont think I am this commited to pvp

[hot creek]

so only choice is stall fleet. my win conditions were basically your Junuea suriving too long and being able to snipe Amagi fast enough

imo Junuea is mandatory for defense

any and all defense

[modern tree]

Ah, yeah, this is what I figured would be happening, my Juneau has 2 boilers so her health is low and she catches more torps

[hot creek]

anyways I have a vod here if you wanna watch. first 20 mins were my normal fleet. the rest i just messed around with random stuff. https://www.twitch.tv/videos/366086555

[modern tree]

My plan was to either win because torps or get crushed because bad aux

and in either case my frontline dies

[hot creek]

oh yeah lol that first match I had Hood equipped 406 for some reason, realized that and then swapped out

[modern tree]

Made me giggle, yea

Amagi lives so long because Aegis

I sort of suspected thatn would be nail in the coffin for HMS but geez, she just sits there laughing at hood barrage

Actually laughing because of her skill proc

[coral wren]

When do you press find new opponent button usually?

[modern tree]

Usually I press it only when I have been sitting on everyone having lower points than me for a bit so I get someone I can play for 10, if all my opponents are sub commander level 70, and sometimes to abuse the rush post resets, but thats sorta advanced and would require a huge writeup I am not really up to do because I didnt have enough coffee

I like that the only game my team seems to be losing so far is when Amagi eats enough random torps to die through Aegis, and it was "losing" as in its hard to tell how RNG of BB shots would end the game

This looks really unfun to play against

[hot creek]

yeah, not much HMS can really do.

I wonder how the other comps fare

[modern tree]

Well, lets hope Duke can put in more work than Warspite and if not, lets hope PR is not far off

Duke is in like 3 weeks so we will see

[hot creek]

I don't think she'll save HMS tbh.

maybe if she can kill enemy vanguard fast enough

with her slow and all.

[modern tree]

Probably not, she's good but not really what HMS needs atm. Good think about her tho is that you can put her flag, and time barrage with 406 so maybe she will vaporise fronts with the 50% bonus damage on first salvo, but thats probably not super useful since you can just suicide your front and hit this 50% on the backline

[odd schooner]

Finally fixed. Same setup as my def
I will still do more fights

Actually first match was very close. Still achieved stalling past 40s

Then this happened

Tl;dr
No one can escape the 40s blitz except I guess Hiryuu Wasd

Needs testing but 15s on paper is

[modern tree]

I have had about the same results with foxes amagi and torps, you might get unlucky sometimes and get a bit stalled out, but you can just reset and end next one in 35 seconds

and getting stalled is really rare

like, actually uncomfortably rare

and Hiryuus low health might just end up being worse than amagi because if she triggers on first fox strike then you arent stalling any longer than if you ran a different boat

but I guess with Fortune it might work

[hot creek]

I guess its time for me to finally max out FW skills

I got a surplus of defense books anyways

[azure aurora]

Im using 406mm , that gun better for amagi foxes (4 ijn mode)

[modern tree]

Its better if you want to snipe Enterprise, 410 hits her cloak on second barrage

[odd schooner]

Wow wtf

Sodak got hit so hard by torpedoes iron bottom sound didn't proc

[modern tree]

Wash has to proc her Iron bottom before Sodak can proc hers

but I cant exactly see whats happening on this scree, but it looks like wash is alive?

therfore you dealt more than 30% of her health with a torp which is possible

[odd schooner]

Wash @ 80% hp

Ye she got face torp and disappeared

I didn't know we could bypass the skill

[modern tree]

its kinda like killing Abbadon in dota before he procs his ult, you just smack him so hard he never falls before the treshold that triggers the ability

again, wash has to trigger the ability when sodak goes below 30% so if wash is dead or you kill her by dealing more than 30% of her health when she drops low, bye invuln

[odd schooner]

I did see a 5.1k crit before she sank

[elder crane]

Ships only have 2X HP in PvP, so 5.1k is almost half of her HP and could very well have killed from above 30%

[odd schooner]

Also i kinda feel how huge of a factor aurora is lmao i tested to jintsuu juneau ayanami and

Consecutively

Meanwhile standard ijn is 8 wins 2 losses

Technically 6/8 was past 40s

The good news is none was above 30s

Except for the last one

So weird

[coral wren]

Lately it's been too many resets for me just because for some reason my twаts on rear line are missing hits and enemy's bb are landing theirs right on top of my rear+vanguard. Why can't we have normal teams placement so that thing wouldn't happen, what is god

[pearl nimbus]

Apart from levels does this comp look ok?

I would run Bel but she's only at 90 rn

[modern tree]

It's alright but might want to look for Laffey replacement at some point

[pearl nimbus]

^

Figured

I'll be replacing her with either Jiintsuu (when I get her) or Belfast

Another question, Juneanu goes mid or top, right?

[modern tree]

Aurora would do a lot of good for this comp considering how much she empowers foxes

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah I just need to get her.

Out of gold so I can't whale.

Any other considerations?

In terms of a Laffey replacement.

[modern tree]

Sendai, at some point

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah, that makes sense.

Sendai is quite the monster.

[elder crane]

Only in the suicide comp, and even there it depends on the team you face.
If you have other defensive frontline ships(e.g Belfast, Eldridge, Leander), she needs to go either back or sometimes front so she dies before any backline ship does.

[swift echo]

is this good setup?
top: Bouge
middle: Ranger
bottom: Long island

[elder crane]

For PvE, mostly
For PvP, run other ships. If they're your highest lv ships by far, then sure I guess for now. (Or, I guess, if you want to meme)

For PvP you want 113, or failing that, 105s on backline ships, since PvP AA works differently for backline ships

Also, the SB2C is by far the best DB, significantly better than the BTD (though slightly less so in PvP)

[shell helm]

is this cannon works in pvp if i dont have [GOLD] Twin 203mm (SK C/34)

[modern tree]

This is Deutschland only

and you'd want 203 Mounted Gun probably because HE ammo is better than AP

in terms of PVP performance at the very least

[shell helm]

aye unanimous answer it seems lel there goes my funky fleet xD

oh interms of pvp which is better [ELITE] Twin 203mm (3rd Year Type) or [GOLD] Twin 203mm (SK C/34) ?

[elder crane]

the AP gun just has too much better overall stats, even though HE ammo type is better

DLand and Houston are exceptions since they want the RoF of the HE gun to activate their skills

Atago is exception due to HE skill

the 283s target the farthest enemy, and fire like a BB gun instead of a CA gun (arcing), iirc

[shell helm]

will it get the BB shell multiplier too ?

[elder crane]

so, it can have a niche use if you want to target the backline instead of the frontline; but, it's stats are pretty meh and Dland wants to activate her barrage more with a RoF gun

It has the CA modifiers iirc

[shell helm]

killed my fantasy

[modern tree]

I guess the most imposrtant question is what boat are you planning to put it on

[shell helm]

Dland lel

its cant be equip by others from what i'm understanding

[modern tree]

then HE is porbably better because stacking multipliers on multipliers

[shell helm]

this for proc focus CA right ?

[modern tree]

yeah, but I didnt like it much in pvp

[shell helm]

aye will try it out

[zenith tundra]

what is best world to increase akaga affinity in a 1:1 formation? (low on bomb boat) it would better if it was 6+ for plates

[modern tree]

C2/C3 from the event

pretty sure those have only planes which foxes can deal with

or mostly planes

[hot creek]

can vouch for C3

got my foxes to 100 affinity there

[coral wren]

the real grind is 100 to 200

[zenith tundra]

it's taking forever to max out amagi's affinity i'been using her all the time and only 180

and my foxes are only 120...

[glossy jay]

🙏 thank you for free fleet admiral even if i lost like 3 battles

this system is broken

[calm vector]

ZackFair how in the world do u have amagi on 180 already

[zenith tundra]

i'm using her for literally everything and mvp her is easy

[modern tree]

I have 176, play the game

[hot creek]

lul

[calm vector]

Sorry daxam, never knew my life is only AL

[modern tree]

?

[zenith tundra]

i farm points like 2hrs every day

[calm vector]

I will get to work with her then, she's on 103

For mvp her do you only use her as solo backline

[modern tree]

C2/C3 is super easy to farm up with her, it also helps that you dont really have fleet requirements

[calm vector]

I've been trying to use her in 10-4 since she hit 95 but it's tedious

I'm not gonna farm event abymore

[zenith tundra]

has anyone tried 406 on amagi in an ijn setup where she's not flagship? the damage output seems a lot higher over 410

[modern tree]

I play 1:1 with Amagi and a destroyer for C2/C3

[calm vector]

Isn't the 406 generally higher dmg output anyways?

[zenith tundra]

the difference is almost 5-10k on average it's insane

[calm vector]

That's quite a large difference

[zenith tundra]

i said as not flagship because of enty sniping but i cant seem to find a proper way of testing it

[modern tree]

one extra projectile pre volley is gonna be a lot of damage if you can get the same number of volleys on average

it all depends on how many times can you shoot

and it should be easy math

average game lenght with the lineup - fast shot timing / 22 cd of 406

[glossy jay]

shelling gives me aids when bb constantly go for frontline and miss

teach me the secrers

[zenith tundra]

i hate even more when my kaga sakura torp go for vanguard instead of main fleet

[elder crane]

Are we flexing Amagi affection?
In that case, I had her at 200 by yesterday so...

[calm vector]

The hardknock life of rng

[elder crane]

she has 100 less fleet power than Hood, even though she has torps
probably her bad AA stat?

And lower HP as well I guess

[zenith tundra]

i saw some aurora jintsuu aya at like 13.1k

i would still use 410 as flagship because the barrage can deal a lot of dmg to vanguard but it falls off quite a bit on the flanks

[modern tree]

I love how Amagi by herself acomplishes what HMS as an entire backline is set up to do

[coral wren]

is def fleet having more space to run around?

[gritty cove]

Torps are scary atm

[zenith tundra]

after core data it will be only worse

[zenith tundra]

i was looking at cn wiki and 406 seems recommended for pvp on amagi interesting

[stoic vector]

what are good amagi pvp fleets

[zenith tundra]

akaga/wasd

[stoic vector]

also when hyuuga kai gets released will it be good with amagi or not

also what about frontline (jintsuu + ayanami + ?)

[zenith tundra]

idk i think it'll be hard to find another ship to use with amagi hyuuga

aurora for foxes for wasd u can use maybe fubuky for her 45% reduction

or u can go full defense wasd with juneau belfast fortune... i saw some of those and their're hard to beat

[stoic vector]

yeah I need to level my ships for pvp more

[zenith tundra]

wasd amagi looks really interesting imo too bad i don't want to marry wasd

[modern tree]

play it unoathed, it's probably not gonna matter before 120

at 120 the stats will be inflated enough for oath bonus to be a lot but now its prolly w/e

[gritty cove]

Yeah, mostly for the hp atm

Currently trying Hiryuu instead of Amagi, it's not bad

On wasd

Although it's hard enough to find maxed out fleets in Sandy

[stoic vector]

hiryuu kai is going to be good

[wind orbit]

Why is there a shiba in the pvp list?

[vague token]

lol

[modern tree]

Hiryuu probably makes the fights so slooow

also

the dog is

MAGICAL DOG OF DO WHATEVER THE FUCK YOU WANT

the fleet is so good that if you put any IJN ship there, it will dominate

[gritty cove]

[wind orbit]

Nice, I like dogs

[zenith tundra]

i would go with nagato amagi hiryuu

[modern tree]

According to Panda, Carriers do the most in this slot, so Hiryuu and TaiHO

[zenith tundra]

also belfast still viable....

[gritty cove]

I dumped june for more torps

Tbh right now I don't get as much use of June heal as I would want to

Maybe if I used amagi instead of Hiryuu

[modern tree]

Amagi works pretty well, even without the fast first shot she is a better hood and if you commit to the full ijn frontline, fights go really fast

[zenith tundra]

taihou looks like rng heavy compared to hiryuu

[gritty cove]

She can tank some shots

[zenith tundra]

the faster load on 1st salvo means she'll shoot more than any other bb

[gritty cove]

June the jebus in every fleet

[zenith tundra]

is that ironblood formation viable?

[gritty cove]

Most likely not

[modern tree]

Its probably the best you get with them

[gritty cove]

Yeap

[modern tree]

and it has enterprise so you can win some games because rngeeeeee

we dont have Roon, but Hipper might work for now if you wanna give it a shot

[devout shale]

hey guys what are the standard auxiliaries for bb/bc?

[modern tree]

2 gold SGs unless you have Beaver or HSFCR available

[zenith tundra]

till core data not much u can use really

[devout shale]

i dont have a lot of golden ones, purple ones are ok aswell?

[modern tree]

They will do fine but they will also feel really bad to put at +10 so I'd probably use them at +6 until getting more gold ones to level

[devout shale]

aight

[gritty cove]

+6 purple is fine

[devout shale]

thanks you daxam

[gritty cove]

I still haven't gotten any golden ones

[swift echo]

[modern tree]

I farmed most of mine, 6-1 is hell of a drug

gotta get all those botes leveled

[zenith tundra]

i have 2 gold 1 from 6-1 1 from boxes

[gritty cove]

I kinda just farmed ships instead

so

F

[odd schooner]

Juneau is staple outside ijn

And has strong AA too

[zenith tundra]

just 80 more battles

[hot creek]

approaching the final day of ranking. this could be the first time I finally reach #1 at the end. Now the question is should I do it in the last reset like usual or should I swag out and maintain #1 for the whole day but risk getting overtaken because loss of a couple bonus points

I don't think I saw the usual sandbaggers trailing close behind or above me so I'm thinking its safe to do the latter

[coral wren]

there is no counter to desron on both en and cn atm, right?

[hot creek]

what's desron refer to anyways?

[zenith tundra]

torp vanguard

[coral wren]

jin+aya+aurora/something else

[hot creek]

they are easily beatable if they're not running Juneau

[coral wren]

considering how shitty ai is written that instead of dodghing torps it actually tries to catch em all, that thing is nightmare for offense

[hot creek]

any defense not running Juneau is easy

Smokescreens also help if you really need it

[zenith tundra]

jintsu/aya/aurora is easy to mirror win tbh

[hot creek]

ie Leander, Cygnet

[coral wren]

yeah, i guess i'll have to add leander to my belfast

belfast alone isn't enough it seems for me

[hot creek]

Belfast's smoke is not the normal one

her's specifically counters foxes

so yeah it doesn't count

Leander and the rest do one at the beginning which helps avoids the opening torps

[elder crane]

With, of course, the caveat that if your ships leave the smoke and eat torps, no benefit there.
But, if you teams leaves smoke, they probably went off to the side, meaning they probably aren't in the path of torps anymore.
Still, that might mean your backline gets chunked, so a pretty good scenario when facing torps with opening smoke is that they unload into your frontline sitting in smoke, so they evasion tank the torpedos instead of them hitting the backline.

[coral wren]

Aargh, lmao, if not those 5 missed attempts thx to my sleeping schedule i prob could get rank 1 on washi

But yeah, 1 out of 5 attempts my vang somehow survives the opening torps, will be getting leander kai since i don't have oxy torp for jin to mirror them all anyway

[zenith tundra]

core data should be coming soon hopefully

[odd schooner]

Fortune to reduce backline dmg from opening Torps

[vague token]

what are we looking for in core data anyways?

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

rainbow oxy torp and bb aux

[vague token]

oh boi more rainbow torp lol

[zenith tundra]

u can get like 1 x month of farming

also fastest useful bb gun the gold 381

[vague token]

is it a triple or twin? xD

oh it's a twin im guessing since it's fast

[zenith tundra]

twin

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Twin_381mm_(BL_15"_Mk_II)#Type 3

[vague token]

oh, it's like an HE of the other 381

[coral wren]

410 twin replacement?

[zenith tundra]

from my understanding u would still run 410 in pvp since it hits harder

[vague token]

question, what is the Normal vs Bracketing lol

also wow that is a bit of damage shaved

21 points

oof

but 2.06 seconds

kinda surprised they havent added anything to displace the 406 for non-speed gun

but maybe the iowa guns might do that? xD

[zenith tundra]

410 becomes better at damaging the higher the level

at 120 the difference is not as high as at 100

[vague token]

oh huh

well lets hope whatever new bb guns we get can make an upset xD

[zenith tundra]

i don't mind 406 forever. at least u don't need to level up other equip

[vague token]

i like variety, so we can accomplish different goals while keeping certain flavors

like it'd be nice to have a non-terribad quad

they're slower than planes, that's pretty bad

[edgy kiln]

pvp is now filled with amagi + akaga + aurora + jintsuu

what a nightmare

[zenith tundra]

i run that and i hate mirror

[nova storm]

Well, 40 secs pvp or >1min... Which is better 😃

[vague token]

longer, actually feels like a match

instead of a farm

they should nerf damage more again

so frontloaded gets nerfed

;)))

except CA guns

[zenith tundra]

they didn't do that for nakaga so it's not gonna to happen

[vague token]

i know

im allowed to have dreams even if they will never happen

T_T

[zenith tundra]

i'm still dreaming of non reset allowed in pvp (even tho they're good for trying stuff out)

[elder crane]

From what I see, WASD crushes those teams so maybe try that

[vague token]

wasd needs the mirror vanguard still

to suicide

otherwise im pretty sure they lose

[zenith tundra]

torp vanguard are so random sometimes

[gritty cove]

I just want to test my fleet ya dumb Sandy plebs

[elder crane]

Well, I'll be testing WASDA both with and w/o torp frontline next season.
Prelim testing a few days ago, I lost no matches with a fairly suboptimal (ran poi in place of no aurora, which isn't terrible since it activates Amagi accel) torp-fl vs a Hakaga/torp and a Amakaga/torp team, though both didn't run BiS from what the fleet power showed (13.1k, 12.9k is maxed BiS for Hood and 12.8k iirc for Amagi), with one really close game (Hurray for Sodak invul) and half curb-stomps
I think as Amagi skills up, it favours WASD over the burst-based AKaga even more,
we'll have to see

Though, given that I find AKaga mirrors usually tips in favour of attacker, maybe not much of an issue

In Avrora, I was all ready to bust out WASD if I ran into optimized AKaga teams, but those don't exist (maybe yet?) for defense apparently

Though, no shortage of various WASD to test against

[gritty cove]

Maybe later on people start doing pvp more

[vague token]

the 12.5k amakagas so far with full suicide fronts have been a brick wall i cannot beat without juneau xD

[zenith tundra]

amagi takes a lot for her maxed out skills

[vague token]

13k front lol

[zenith tundra]

and totally legit equip

[elder crane]

Idk, have had almost zero trouble yet running a fairly suboptimal poi/aya/jint comp
There was one HAKaga/def-fl team last week that was troublesome, so I bust out WASD and curb-stomped it

[vague token]

sorry, specifically if you dont mirror a suicide style front

because otherwise wasd just wastes time

shooting at the vanguard

instead of killing their main fleet

xD

wasnt specific my bad

[elder crane]

Yeah, somehow I don't feel like I run into that issue, but small sample size and all
So, I'll be testing that more next season, as well as to see how WASDA offense does vs WASDE

[vague token]

[pastel forge]

I met with mirror bis wasd amagi an hour ago. mine with ijns front, him with juneau jint aurora.can confirm juneau is too good to ignore lol, definitely better than trying to get amagi reload active

[vague token]

maybe i should try running back to ark royal wasd instead of e

[zenith tundra]

yeah i saw a wasd amagi comp that was literally unkillable because of healing

with juneau fortune belfast vanguard
100% anti foxes

[elder crane]

Yeah, it's an offense thing definitely, I swapped juneau out once I found that the first strike of a defensive team usually can't kill backline in Amaka, to double down on more alpha strike potential, as well as a good chance to clean up on 2nd strike, for faster battles

[zenith tundra]

4/5 attempts amagi mvp with 406. insane

[zenith tundra]

gold quint or purple quad homing

[coral wren]

isnt quint abit too slow

[zenith tundra]

i know that's why i'm asking. the difference is 4sec

[pastel forge]

both not ideal but probably gold quint

[zenith tundra]

all my ironblood boxes are bad so i'll stick with the gold quint till i find a gold quad

[pearl nimbus]

I love how the moment I run Akaga+Amagi backline I smash most comps. FeelsGood.

[odd schooner]

She can still get mvp on 410

Consistently

@zenith tundra is that Sumire

[real notch]

kill me

[vague token]

not yet

you still got a like a week

[real notch]

my friends are getting amagi 3rd/4th duplicates

and they haven't used half the cubes i used

[subtle whale]

mt right

[modern tree]

All of you guys annoyed by torp vanguards, reminder that Leander/Cygnet smoke about quadruples your frontlines effective HP so the only concern is getting enoough speed to draw the toprs away from backline.

[ivory vine]

what if i wanna run a torp vanguard but aurora is a myth?

i mean it still works ok but seeing misses w/ no leader kai is annoying af

[vague token]

ill just use bailey lol

[modern tree]

Auroras ability makes your torps about 33% more effective, but her own torp stat is trash so if you wanna run a torp meme without her, if you add a boat with high torps and a torp buff like Comet (which also counters opponents torps) or Kagerou (which has way higher stats and better boost than Comet) then you shold be fiiine

its all math

I think I slept on 5 pvp charges, I remember waking up to play them but I dont remember playing them

darn

[subtle whale]

we need w11 and sendai retro

[hot creek]

I think you were 11 points behind me before, so if you wanna compare score and charges https://puu.sh/CzugV/d001c9434e.png

[modern tree]

Yep, I did

rip 450 merits

I need to start testing stalling vanguards with wasd amagi but I dont want to watch 2 minute games

[hot creek]

should I tank some +9's and potentially +8's to maintain rank 1 all day , or should I go for highest score possible like normal 🤔

[modern tree]

you will tank 9s at the last 6-7 or so charges anyways because of how high your score is so tanking now just to flex might compromise your nr1 unless you are getting like 2600 or more

which you probably arent

[hot creek]

the most I could get is probably around 2580

but I've been watching the leaderboard like a hawk

didn't see any sandbaggers trailing behind me

and none ahead

I think the usual people didn't bother sandbagging or missed matches

[modern tree]

its kinda hard to see who sandbags because at the end of season you are unlikely to sit at anything else than 10/10 since rusing games hits you with 9s really fast

dunno tho, only time I fucked my life up for score was to see how high I can go and that required me to camp till like last 30 mins

[hot creek]

what was your high score?

[modern tree]

xd

[hot creek]

damn son

what score did r2 have?

[modern tree]

kill me

I think guy behind me was 12 behind or something

it was a weird season

the best start of season is sitting tight and getting lucky

[hot creek]

Did you get lucky at beginning season? and were you getting 2-3 +11's late season every reset?

[modern tree]

I use resets to farm when I am in top 300 consistently, so at the end of season

[hot creek]

this late season my score was so high and other's were so low so I was only getting 1-2 +11's , people were doing their pvps and still couldnt reach 35+ above me

[modern tree]

you can get like 2-3 points from your resets alone if you use them right

everything else is just camping out and remembering names of literally everybody in top 1000 to determine who will play their games

and getting really lucky season start

cuz at the season start you kind of just guess

[hot creek]

yeah, if they're running meta defense or if in general high commander level ill take a chance on them

[modern tree]

one tip I can give you is that ther is a sweet spot when you are a bit below 150 rank where you can reset and get rank 1 to 3 sometimes, and a lot of the time you do, you have a chance of +12 because people climbing that high blow all of their attempts

thats basically the best use for resets I have found

they dont really matter when your fleet plows through everything

[hot creek]

yeah that happens to me sometimes after winning a match.

never got a +12 though

that's uber lucky

[modern tree]

also, it works after the attempts reset, you can just farm people climbing fast even if your list is not moving... if enough people do it, its sandy so its still luck and picking time of day to do it

[hot creek]

when you were in my lobby and did all your pvp's we were 69 point difference

[modern tree]

rip

I play wasd amagi just so people start playing it, so I can go back to HMS and try to find an answer

which probably doesnt exist tbh

2 more weeks for dork or something

probably 3

[hot creek]

I tried running Ark in place of Warspite against you a couple times

it had ok results

but honestly I can't say it was much better

basically if she managed to nuke vanguard in time and then survive til her next airstrike, we won

but that didn't happen often lol

[modern tree]

Stall is probably best bet, you dont kill their frontline, they dont kill yours, you outbarrage them because Hood and win maybe

problem is Aegis and how much it fucks with HMS timing

[hot creek]

I wonder how Jintsuu/Aurora/Juneau would have fared.

probably wouldn't have made a difference

[modern tree]

if you can kill their front before your second round of torps, then you probably win, but thats unlikely to happen even with QE buff because Aurora torps are limp

I ran Belfast Aurora Jintsuu in HMS and it was really good, but likely not good enough to win against stall like that

[hot creek]

I put the oxy torp on her, she'll do ok damage after QE + Jintsuu buff

You know, something like that might have actually been alright. If I could pop Juneau fast enough.

but thats all RNG anyways

[modern tree]

you usually can if Hood puts on glasses for her salvos

because between torps and reload boosted belfast damage on aurora debuffed frontline, you need like one BB shot to hit to blow up the frontline

the problem is that hood barrage happens with her shot so you are probably healing that up anyways

[hot creek]

there should be a way to boost luck in this game. Another thing that KC had right

[modern tree]

its a hard life

I wanna try Duke with a quad and this setup so I hopefully destroy the front before quad loads and then put all of the shots in the backline with 50% boost and laugh

original idea do not steal

[hot creek]

use hyper offense vanguard to nuke enemy vanguard and equip all your BB with AP main guns for dank +20% medium-heavy modifier.

[modern tree]

if only AP guns were not hot trash even if you discount them being AP

isnt Tirpitz gun the best we have? It still wasnt good whan I did math on it

[hot creek]

miss out on fire damage too

but with amagi here shitting on fire damage anyways....

maybe AP guns can do something

[hot creek]

[modern tree]

I am so sceptical I made a picture to ilustrate it

[hot creek]

with Aegis and Amagi around, nothing matters anyways

Oh its Sunday, time for max monies.

[odd schooner]

Can I get that rianda pic

[zenith tundra]

i don't really get the love for kagerou tbh. fubuki is better in almost any way than non retro kagerou even more with aya. running a ship because she'll be better with retro than another seems kind of dumb.
fubuki has 3 less torp stat at max level but higher efficiency than kagerou plus her own buff that makes her torp so much more deadly and the evasion boost that is nice to have in pvp.
if u run kagerou for the 30% chance of shooting double torp then u should run sd for her focus assault too in any comp since it can destroy anything

also kagerou buff shouldn't stack with jintsuu since the are both torpedo command

[modern tree]

Kagerou buffs Jintsuu torps

and they stack

[zenith tundra]

they shouldn't unless the fucked up the translation

[modern tree]

Command skills of different prefix name (XXXX Command: YYYY) will stack with each other.

[zenith tundra]

jintsuu torpedo command: sea kagerou torpedo command: vanguard

[nova storm]

Well, Jintsuu's was fucked up iirc.. since it shouldn't have been torpedo command..

[zenith tundra]

ok so it's devs fault for crap translation

Example 1: If you have level 3 Torpedo Command: Destroyer(Destroyer torpedo +7%) and level 1 Torpedo Command: Escort(Escort fleet torpedo +5%), destroyers will get the +7% torpedo effect and cruisers will get the +5% torpedo effect.

that's how it should be

[modern tree]

on CN wiki Jintsuus skill is not a command skill

[zenith tundra]

whatever

it's not my fault that they cant translate properly wtf

[modern tree]

It's fine, they translated QEs skill to include command as well making it confusing as fuck

[subtle whale]

[nova storm]

I just knew the fact off-hand so i really never got confused by it.

[modern tree]

Jintsuss skill translates to something like Great torpedo squadron and QE Queens Orders

but in the client they both incluse word command for whatever reason

[hot creek]

lol I didn't even realize the skills had TL issues cause I never read them in game, only read them on wiki

[zenith tundra]

all jintsuu retro nodes are fucked up

the names

[subtle whale]

never really got confused with jintsuu and kagerou skill for me since its the end of it are different

[modern tree]

apparently the prefix is what matters for stacking

and they both start with Torpedo command

[subtle whale]

o oki

[nova storm]

It's a question of how will the Torpedo command without "Does not stack with other Commands" stack with a Torpedo Command with that clause 😃

[modern tree]

non existend QAL

[subtle whale]

where our 2019 retro at

[zenith tundra]

the patch notes for next maintenance are terrible... literally nothing in it

[subtle whale]

not the first time it happened

[zenith tundra]

i don't mind extended crimson but at least something new with/after it

[nova storm]

Inb4 tomorrow's patch adds next month's monthly ship to stop the 100% dream of some people

[subtle whale]

huh

seeing the new skins

i say winter crowns is next

[hot creek]

gib Victorious

[zenith tundra]

i don't mind winter crown (outside i don't want hms buff)

[modern tree]

Ther's very little chance of Winters Crown not coming in 2 weeks considering Duke skin and Sirius being revealed and it being scheduled to start on 24th on JP

[nova storm]

I want my Shiny Sheff if Winter's crown...

[hot creek]

who's the more useless SSR, Victorious or Prinz? 🤔

[subtle whale]

prinz

[modern tree]

I am curious if Sirius will make much impact in pvp considering how stacked Amagi is and both their rarities are SSR

pls giv good HMS

[hot creek]

Warspite retro will save us, believe

[modern tree]

shame its a CL so it will probably not make as much splash as Amagi because Aurora the HMS betrayer exists

[zenith tundra]

does anyone know jp site for al?

[modern tree]

you mean wiki?

[zenith tundra]

where they post stuff like twitter about patches but for jp

[sharp seal]

the jp twitter?

[modern tree]

I find the frontpage for EN wiki to be very useful for keeping track of whats going on in other regions and also it has links to everything, from other wikis to staff twitters

[zenith tundra]

found it on main page thanks

[subtle whale]

sirius is ssr?

[modern tree]

yep

[dark nova]

Fox fleet is so nice, don't have to wait super long for rounds to end

[zenith tundra]

guess i'll switch to hms with winter crown. don't like foxes mirror at all

[pastel forge]

I might finally try hms for pvp (never really bothered with warspite). as for Sirius there's very little chance she'll be bad, whether she'll be relevant in pvp remains to be seen tho

[odd schooner]

Fox mirror is like 30s match

It's hard to lose tbh

Haven't used QE since like

October i think

[odd schooner]

Is there any big changes on akaga new year outfit

[azure aurora]

I never trust mirror foxes, enemy desron always screw me up

[odd schooner]

Are you at least equal in equipment

[azure aurora]

Unless enemy somehow unlocked +11

[odd schooner]

Should always be in favor

But i guess you've been pulling the shortest stick

[azure aurora]

Yes aya torp always hit my akagi don't know why that always happen

[odd schooner]

You have amagi yellow skill raised right

[azure aurora]

Yes 8/5/10

[odd schooner]

Rip

I guess everyone had different experience on mirror matches

[dark nova]

Weird

I don't think my frontline ever wipes to opposing first torpedo wave

attack bonus should be pretty heavy in your favor

[azure aurora]

Not wipe, but that aya or jintsuu torp always reduce 50% 1 fox hp at first wave, meanwhile my desron torp hit nothing

Talk about unlucky

[dark nova]

I guess for those situations you just gotta reset

[odd schooner]

You still have a few matches krow?

Like 1 or 2

[dark nova]

Nah I'm spent

busy with other stuff so I just used them all

[odd schooner]

Nep missed one try again so idk who's gonna be top again this season

Maybe same as last season

[dark nova]

Do you guys go for high placements usually before the season reset?

reset's always middle of the night for me so I can't really see what goes on behind the scenes

[odd schooner]

I missed 2 battles last time so i never bothered

I didn't get good matchup this time

Was actually testing amagi so i had to full spend early this week

[dark nova]

Fox team is so comfy

straight up blow up things

[odd schooner]

Hmm last season was 81

I guess I'll miss it again

Technically some folks just automatically end up like this because some of them doesn't have much to do and can wait it out

[dark nova]

As long as I get my merits, rank doesn't matter to me

[glossy jay]

after getting fleet commander is there any point in doing left most

[coral wren]

I found that wasdamagi + jintsu aurora jeanu works wonder againsts ppl with amagi foxes

[sharp roost]

What would go well with a amagi + Enterprise team?

[coral wren]

problem with wasd amagi u dont get the 40% speed reload. anyone know 3 ijn frontline to fix this?

why cant aurora be a ijn

[modern tree]

Amagi Enterprise is a bit random, but any strong, independent backliner like Hood should do alright with it

people here have been having sucess with Jintsuu Ayaya and Fubuki, although, in my personal opinion, IJN frontline is entirely unnecesary for this backline to work

opinion and experience I suppose

[elder crane]

I went Poi/Aya/Jint
Though Fubuki probs better 3rd ship than poi
Overall, probably not worth trying to get her 45% in WASDA, just run juneau or something instead

[sharp roost]

I could go amagi foxes or amagi bbkaga

[modern tree]

BB Kaga is not a great backliner for pvp, but Amagi with foxes works rather effectively

[vague token]

im sad you cant use oxytorp on torpedo BBs

=(

like, it wouldnt be good

but i want to

so like, if im using hood and amagi

is it better to have them both split sides

or who goes in flag for better aoe barrage

like i can see reasons for either

[gritty cove]

I'd say Hood mid, she has more hp and amagi loses the evasion- and debuff when she dies

[hot creek]

just wait for bismarck

i'm sure she'll have an extra slot for torps

[vague token]

xD

[elder crane]

Amagi also has more AoE on barrage, hitting the adjacent backline slots more and can hit the vanguard as well, so if considering only damage output, Amagi should be centre (so she splashes both other backline slots and also damages the enemy vanguard more consistently).

[vague token]

gotcha thanks

[unkempt swallow]

So are "admiral of the navy" and "fleet admiral" the same thing

My highest rank is "Admiral of the navy" but i cant find mention of it on the EN rankings

[hot creek]

they're indeed different

AoTN is highest rank here. it means top 10 while above 2200 points

[unkempt swallow]

Oh

I guess I got it while grinding merit

[hot creek]

nice.

extra 2500 merits right there

[unkempt swallow]

I have no use for merit

so I stopped grinding

[hot creek]

yeah, all it really translates to is extra purins after you've collected Eldridge and Sodak

[unkempt swallow]

I should restart

For the challenge

Not for merit

Just see if i can do it again as a f2p

[zenith tundra]

next event more chances to get gold quad homing. can't wait

[unkempt swallow]

[hot creek]

I farmed last event and completley regretted it

[unkempt swallow]

I cleared shot for divergent chessboard

I ran a surplus of 4k points

and now i Wanna die

[hot creek]

I had 80k event currency by the time I had fifteen quad mag prints

[zenith tundra]

i didn't farm opposite colored enough a bit regret not going for more gold quad

[hot creek]

and then I ended up dropping one from a box literally the next day

so it was fucking pointless

[zenith tundra]

i'm forced to run either a gold quint that is too slow or subpar purple quad so i really need 1 more gold quad

u can run tripple gold quad tbh

looks also easy to 1:1 farm only lvl 60

[unkempt swallow]

I dont run many ships who use torps

aya, leander and belfast

The other frontlines I Use are american Cls or Cas

[elder crane]

The gold quint magtorps aren't that bad, really.

Per-salvo, yes, each torp does less, but the extra torp in the salvo means you actually have more potential damage (on a wider torp spread), so in the end it mostly evens out anyways.

The slower reload can be worked around, since PvP matches are short and torp reload long, as long as the ship gets the same # of salvos the reload time doesn't matter too much. Usually, any ship can't be relied on to get more than 2 salvos anyways, and some often only get 1. Either place on a ship that doesn't usually get a 2nd salvo off anyways (e.g. Juneau in the suicide-frontline setup) or a ship that has enough survivability that she has the extra time to reload up the 2nd salvo (e.g. in many setups, Belfast, Jintsuu, or the more protected mid-ship)

[coral wren]

whos better for flagship? BBKaga or Amagi

[odd schooner]

Amagi does due to having a barrage that can hit all 3 backline ships and occupies a wide area that there's a high chance the enemy vanguard would get hit.

The only time she's placed at the top would be on Washington South Dakota fleets for maximum endurance.

[coral wren]

hmm I think CV kaga is stronger than BB kaga xd

its not doing as much dmg as CV kaga

[zenith tundra]

i get aya 2nd wave of torp off before her demon dance that's pretty useful considering that bb shots are after that time too. i really would love if i got all 3 ships torp off before bbs start shooting because is a lot more chances u get do deal dmg with torp vanguard

even rainbow quint is kind of slow only 24.78 on jintsuu(a bit less with her buff)

she can be already dead by then if focused by bb

with quad gold is <21.47 so u might have a chance to get them off

plus a lot of times i get to be in front of main fleet right by the 20 sec mark so sitting there and getting rekt by bbs secondary guns waiting for torp to launch is such a waste

[supple stratus]

gets 15K merit
goes to store
I want Purin
No Purin

[dark nova]

it be like that sometimes

[supple stratus]

Man i can't wait for the shop to refresh tomorrow

Oh wait

Maint is today

[odd schooner]

Could always force refresh

[supple stratus]

Not gonna risk precious gems on a chance of no Purin

[odd schooner]

You could try for a few times

[hollow fractal]

Is twin 127 (DD) or triple 100 (CL) better as a secondary gun for BB/BC like Amagi? I read the pins and there wasn't any information on it

[elder crane]

CL gun has longer range and more burst, and so more often can help out vs the enemy Vanguard when yours is still alive (notice that, on offense, the vanguards fight closer to your backline than theirs)
DD gun is better for higher DpS and better firing angles, so they're better if your vanguard loses to theirs by a fair bit and you need to clean the remainders off

I'd say, the 155 belgun for offense, and the gold 127 for defense

Both cause the attacking vanguard is more likely to win, and because the defending secondaries mostly don't shoot until the defending vanguard is sunk

[hollow fractal]

Oooh i see, thanks for the in-depth write up! :D

[elder crane]

Also, as a heads-up, the gun ranges listed in-game are complete lies

idk why it is that way

[hollow fractal]

Oh ya i never look at in game stats, they're never true for anything lol

[elder crane]

Every CL gun that is normally used has the same actual range, and the DD guns have more variance but are always shorter-range (notably, the 100 mm, twin 120mm, and 76 mm guns have noticeably shorter range than other DD guns iirc)

[hollow fractal]

That makes sense, i was using the CL gun on amagi but it felt like it did less damage than the DD gun. The CL gun took forever to kill enemies while DD gun cleared them super quickly

[elder crane]

Yep, for actual DpS, DD gun is better
But, if you only consider the shelling provided when both vanguards are present, the CL guns are vastly superior. They have better burst too, so if the enemy vanguard is almost dead, CL guns finish off just as fast if not faster

The only case where DD guns is better on offense is if your vanguard dies with theirs still pretty healthy

Conversely, on defense, DD guns are almost always better, minus where the attacking vanguard is almost dead, which is when there's little difference

The stats are some consideration as well, the gold 127 gives a bit less FP in exchange for some AA compared to the 155 belgun, though idk if this makes any real difference

[hollow fractal]

My vanguard usually dies pretty quickly if I'm using wasd against an optional akaga fleet, so the DD guns were amazing for that

[zenith tundra]

13.7k jintsu aya fubuki dead in 5 secs wtf...

definitely not worth it on defense

[wise summit]

my torpedo frontline is Belfast Jintsuu Aurora, I think Belfast is v important right now especially in amakaga mirrors because bad rng can make you lose

[zenith tundra]

i still prefer aurora+foxes tbh

if u want to use belfast go for aurora belfast jintsuu

[wise summit]

Amagi added something we didn't have before in EN which is a third pre-emptive strike

[zenith tundra]

too many belfast on def to ignore aurora imo

[odd schooner]

Lmao the last one was +8

[hot creek]

i'm going to have to eat two more +8's

https://puu.sh/CzV5o/b02006c811.png wew

[odd schooner]

[zenith tundra]

i got that last season by rushing with 3 attempts behind

this time i was 6 so no chance

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CzVgt/8d5faca894.png I still have one charge left. Will Sandy step it up?

[hot creek]

oh wow, someone in my lobby did their pvp. I only have to eat a +9 instead of a +8 now

[odd schooner]

Feels +8 man

I think there's still 3 who's gonna claim top placers

Me and fren are close i guess

[analog hare]

New season exercise, better attack one time or wait for sandbag

[odd schooner]

Wish i had more

+100 is very nice number to see

3 digits

[hot creek]

at season start you always wait

[analog hare]

👌

[odd schooner]

Ye everyone switched to fox for the last 10 matches

On defense

I guess to show their offensive fleet

[odd schooner]

I forgot we have maintenance

[vague token]

xD

[odd schooner]

I also forgot a huge portion of the west are still sleeping and is monday for them

[modern tree]

I am amazed that if I didn't sleep on my charges, I still had a shot at a tie for first place. Good job phoenix tho, HMS nr 1

[odd schooner]

Good for you guys

Avrora atm has 2592

Waiting for the 2600 guy to come up

[modern tree]

Waiting till last 30 minutes is hell of a drug

[hot creek]

yeah i just got fed up with it and blew my matches since nobody on sandy could contest anyways

[azure aurora]

After gensui i atk for exp not for rank

[modern tree]

"I am not doing it because I care, baka" is my favourite quote from this chat

[lunar veldt]

I'm doing this for the exp

[pearl nimbus]

Hey, out of curiosity what do Akagi+Kaga's aviation stats. end up being after Nagato's buff?

[lunar veldt]

Dafuq

Is that maint on reset?

[azure aurora]

Nagato not buff aviation stats

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah I mean that

[azure aurora]

Not for bb only but all IJN

[pearl nimbus]

My b

Wow that's more broken

[azure aurora]

Reload + ,Acc+ , damage %

[pearl nimbus]

Also, is this comp catching on at all, or is this well and truly just experimental?

[modern tree]

According to cn, this comp is a menace and the meta is all about finding ways to beat it without losing to nakaga, but I also heard other regions are lazy and just run what they alway have for the most part

[pearl nimbus]

Well then....that's interesting.

btw what's the use of Saint Louis, is she just like a gunboat who's tanky or...?

[modern tree]

She's a CA with CL speed and evasion, which makes her incredibly tanky on top of being immune to Aurora

[pearl nimbus]

Ah, well that makes sense.

[modern tree]

And CA guns hurt

A lot

[ivory vine]

she also has increased he damage iirc

[pearl nimbus]

Yep, increased HE damage.

35%

I guess I know which PR ship I'm looking into getting first then.

[ivory vine]

she's also one of the easiest to farm xp for

[pearl nimbus]

Now that's a good meme.

inb4 first week of her release PvP top 500 turns into PR Louis simulator

[livid fractal]

Well I tried, lose one game this season but still not enough to pass 2600.

[ivory vine]

none of the other ca have near the same speed tho

[azure aurora]

Good to hear which ship to farm first

[ivory vine]

i still might farm ibuki first

cuz she's cute

[modern tree]

I think all pr ships are very strong pve and at least workable pvp

[ivory vine]

izumo

[azure aurora]

Izumo ? Who ?

[ivory vine]

some ship that burns to death

[modern tree]

Izumo is exception that confirms the rule

[pearl nimbus]

Roon in PvP

[coral wren]

Poor Roon

[modern tree]

People play Eugen, why would Roon be any worse

[ivory vine]

playing eugen doesnt make her good

at least roon deals damage tho

the real bonus is lvl 120 ca stats tho

[coral wren]

I feel Roon is more defensive than Saint Louis

that 35% he dmg... man

makes me doubt my PR first pick

[pearl nimbus]

Maint hehe

[coral wren]

report all of them

its chinese

np

feelsbadman when japs steals chinese letters and ppl think its japanese

buff ROC ships pls

if Yostar buffs ROC ships maybe they will even get support from the goverment

[azure aurora]

55k power, must be siren

[coral wren]

66k power summons Intern Kun

[odd schooner]

@livid fractal oh only 2 ppl so i guess I'm rank 9

Sumire is 10

I forgot the person above me

But isn't famine also at 2602 last season

Very consistent

[livid fractal]

Yeah, sandbagging gods

I would be around 2587 if I didn't lose one game, but still not enough..

I don't know how to get the other +13

[odd schooner]

First day

+40 twice

[real notch]

wait aren't we on maintenance

[odd schooner]

We are

[pastel forge]

40 twice, that's me, then I went and missed 15 matches lol

[shrewd gust]

My Deutschland when she got lucky, surviving till the end and land a hit for all salvos

[odd schooner]

Now we wait for event for spee

[livid fractal]

I didn't even know + 40 twice is possible, my highest is +36

[left tree]

so u guys wait for awhile after season resets or just bang through right after maint?

i can't even get more than 30 pts

[hot creek]

if you want to maximize points, you will want to wait.

[elder crane]

Try to catch ppl climbing as maint ends,

Then wait with remaining runs

But I'm commuting the next 1.5 H so maybe I'll miss maint end; then I'll probs just wait

[pastel forge]

also refresh if the ones on your list look like dead/inactive accs

[elder crane]

I don't bother with first set, since majority of 0 pt accounts won't ever do PvP

So I almost immediately do one PvP match

Then, as you say, refresh if it looks like list won't climb and when ppl should be climbing

I expect some ppl to immediately rush PvP on maint end, so I'll do one match almost immediately to try to catch those people if I get the chance to

[hot creek]

seems like a sound strat.

i usuailly just try to refresh into someone who is high commander level or has a meta defense fleet

[elder crane]

Main climbing times I find is the hour after each reset and wake-up hours

[hot creek]

it can vary quite a lot tbh. and some people like to store to 10/10 and then do 10 matches to 0/10 and double wait to get back to 10/10 again

server's up PogCHamp

[sour oasis]

Didn't PVP season start with 10 not 5?

[gritty cove]

It's 5

[sour oasis]

Well. Time to see if I get any closer to Admiral this time.

[gritty cove]

Amagi's barrage is bugged again apparently

[zenith tundra]

yeah

[sour oasis]

[left tree]

does kaga bb/kaga cv/amagi make a good backline?

[pearl nimbus]

Use Akagi over Kaga CV

If you can that is

[left tree]

i would

[nova storm]

Better just go Akaga and Amagi imho, but yeah change Kaga CV to Akagi for bonus..

[left tree]

if i have one

[velvet fossil]

Bugged barrage deletes whoever’s opposite of amagi

[pearl nimbus]

truuue

Well, that backline gets destroyed by any meta backline

And I'm pretty sure Kaga BB is underwhelming in PvP

[velvet fossil]

Still funny to watch

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah

It does a lot

Oneshots Enty

With Akaga anyways

[velvet fossil]

Ye ye

[left tree]

i got yeeted by washi/sodak combo a lot
i wanna know their counter

[zenith tundra]

isn't bugged barrage full he? her ap does almost nothing so it's normal it wrecks

[pearl nimbus]

Their counter? I mean from my experience so far my Akaga+Amagi backline tears through them

idk if that's just me or not though

But usually the counter is to just aim for the 3rd ship first since it's likely Enty, Lusty or Hood.

[zenith tundra]

i found some amagi wasd with juneau fortune belfast to be hard to kill

[velvet fossil]

Yeah extra he shells, or was it normal i forget

Either way it does a lot more than the cross ap shells

[nova storm]

Amagi's AP shells never hit backline iirc..

[velvet fossil]

Yeah, and even if they did it wouldnt even leave a scratch

[left tree]

so HE on amagi then

[zenith tundra]

tbh i find the dmg of ap shells to be really low compared to he. maybe just a nerf but they really fell underpowered

[velvet fossil]

Fire damage from HE actually does a lot of damage over time

[wise summit]

lol they broke amagi barrage pattern again

[pearl nimbus]

No torps in the barrage

but the pattern is deadly in PvP atm

[gritty cove]

There's a dmg list for barrages on the wiki

[pearl nimbus]

Whereabouts can we find that?

[gritty cove]

https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Barrage

[pearl nimbus]

Well then

I'll be damned

[gritty cove]

Reminder that it assumes that every shot hits so keep that in mind

[native mantle]

how they bugged amagis barrage this time?

[pearl nimbus]

It's a full yellow barrage with no torps

and it's even more concentrated

[zenith tundra]

i wonder how they managed to break it twice already lol

[wise summit]

it still fires torps

[pearl nimbus]

Mine isn't

[native mantle]

what type of barrage is only yellow?

[wise summit]

Mine is rank 9 barrage right now so maybe that's why

[pearl nimbus]

Oh

it fires torps nvm

that's a relief, their coding isn't too off

[zenith tundra]

yellow are he shells

[wise summit]

it completely shreds right now

[zenith tundra]

the ones that deal dmg

[wise summit]

it's so silly lol

[native mantle]

that HE dmg?

[pearl nimbus]

inb4 they keep this change

[wise summit]

Well they hotfixed it once I'm sure they can hotfix it again

[pearl nimbus]

This change is fine, more free wins for Amagi users ;^)

[wise summit]

I prefer the wider barrage it is more aesthetically pleasing

[pearl nimbus]

I just like the AP shells mixed in there.

[wise summit]

like shooting a bird across the screen

[native mantle]

so that yellow shells are that what destroyed most ships HE shells?

[zenith tundra]

yes

ap shells don't do much dmg

he does most of the work on her barrage

[pearl nimbus]

Is AP even a useful damage type in PvP?

[wise summit]

HE does most of the work in the game in general, especially for pvp

[native mantle]

so yellow is HE and whats the other colours?

[zenith tundra]

the damage of her ap is really low tbh

[wise summit]

Blue ap, white normal (?)

[pearl nimbus]

green-blue is AP

[zenith tundra]

28k dmg in 1 barrage like wtf

[native mantle]

btw. my amagi shoots AP and HE atm

[wise summit]

Just be extra careful while fighting amagi until they fix

[zenith tundra]

http://wiki.joyme.com/blhx/天城
this is how it's supposed to look i guess

[native mantle]

for my amagi barrage it has like 80% yellow and only in the front are some blues mixed

[shell helm]

pre-kai portland [ELITE] Single 127mm (Mk 30) VS. [ELITE] Twin 120mm (QF Mark XII) ?

[zenith tundra]

portland uses ca guns

u either use twin 203 skc or 203 mounted

u mean as off weapon right? my bad

[shell helm]

absolutely

[zenith tundra]

usually gold twin 127mm is best aux gun for now

[shell helm]

i have no spare [SR] Twin 127 if i have to choose between these 2 what would it be suited for ? or any other [Elite] secondary you recommend ?

[zenith tundra]

u can use purple twin 127

[shell helm]

is it worth to +6 or +10 it ?

[zenith tundra]

+6 is usually ok

till u get a gold one

[shell helm]

aye what about this one straight 10 or keep it 6

[zenith tundra]

406 is best dmg main gun bb even on cn/jp totally worth +10 it

[shell helm]

gotcha thx m8

[native mantle]

IIRC then 410>406 only for procc BB/BC

[shell helm]

if a BB Kaga what would it be ?

[zenith tundra]

410

[native mantle]

410 cause she can procc a barrage. same with amagi and hood

[zenith tundra]

on any barrage boat

[native mantle]

but i don't think anyone use a baga instead of kaga

for pvp

[pearl nimbus]

Baga isn't great tbh

Her barrage does a lot but it has quite the spread

At least for PvP

[native mantle]

aye she is only good in pve IIRC

[pearl nimbus]

ye

[shell helm]

its 410 is also worth straight 10 too right ?

[pearl nimbus]

She deals with torp boats nicely

[zenith tundra]

amagi is the only exception to barrages boats that can use 406 and still be viable in an ijn setup

[native mantle]

btw i ahve a married level 100 enty, what level my foxes needs that i switch enty for akaga?

[zenith tundra]

for pvp lvl 100 if u want to be competitive

u can use them before for xp but not gonna beat top fleets

[native mantle]

its just a pain to elvel them from 94 to 100. compared to amagi, which was easy to level to 99

[pearl nimbus]

I mean I personally think anything past 95 is fine

My Kaga's 98 atm and she's still doing a good job wrecking face

[zenith tundra]

lvl 94 with good equip is still ok against not maxed out teams, but definitely better 100

[native mantle]

i think i will first level my aya to 90+ so i can have a full IJN setup

[pearl nimbus]

Long live Imperial Japan 🇯🇵

;^)

[zenith tundra]

can't wait for nagato and nanoda

[subtle whale]

we will getting small surge of hms in feb

so that nice

[native mantle]

kemonomimi rules!!!

[pearl nimbus]

DoY 😮

Can't wait to hear that smug vampire

[subtle whale]

and 2 maybe 3 new ships

so far is two

a size dd and a dd cl

[native mantle]

should i just wait until 1 hours before we get the enxt exercise stacks before i attack and then use all 10?

[gritty cove]

You want to check every couple hours and attack if they're ahead enough to maximize the points

So you want to go from 10 to 5 and not bust all of them

[zenith tundra]

u only want to attack opponents that are at least 30+ points ahead of you. u should never use all atempts at once unless u risk losing them or ur rushing for a higher rank when behind in attempts

at the beginning sit on 9/10 attempts as much as possible till someone in ur list uses their attempts

[charred sable]

Much passives

[jolly moss]

I can imagine all of them talking... at the sametime

[zenith tundra]

u need aurora too there

[charred sable]

@jolly moss all you hear really is Akagi yandere laughing

[jolly moss]

I should drop my PvP fleet here soon for some guide.. Currently, my PvP fleet has 0% synergy with one another

[unkempt swallow]

Just use WasD or Amagi IJN kappa

[jolly moss]

I don't have Was and Amagi

[zenith tundra]

u can run hms since doy should be incoming

also hood akaga is still viable

and there is still time for amagi

[coral wren]

Hood Akagi gets destroyed too easily by amagi

blasphemy a pvp comp without aurora . shAme!

is it worth to +10 Auroras red skill? I dont see much DDs in pvp to be honest

[zenith tundra]

better than no synergy tbh

[jolly moss]

I'll do an HMS probably.. I have Hood, Illu, QE for main

[coral wren]

Illus

[modern tree]

Illu is good enough to steal wins at low to mid level pvp because its easier to have 2 maxed fighters than optimised AA. She still doesn't do much of anything tho so you mostly get carried by QE buffed Hood in that lineup, and the moment you don't is the moment you start wondering if using a ring for t0 tits was a good idea. I have a friend that is still salty

[real notch]

Dd and cl

[zenith tundra]

with qe and hood u just add doy once she's out and ur good

[modern tree]

I am ready for HMS to get their hopes up for a bit before it turns out Amagi still has 10% evasion rate boost for backline

[real notch]

I'm at the fat 350

Aurora is probably the toppest tier CL atm

[modern tree]

While reducing vanguards effective hp by about 33% is damn strong, I think Jintsuu is easily better than her by the virtue of being an offensive beast that's moderately hard to take down and gives your fleet steroids. Nobody is stopping you from running them both, tho

Also Jintsuu can be farmed

[zenith tundra]

i wouldn't put them on same tier but really close tbh. desron squad is good but akaga + aurora is more reliable than torpedoes rng

[vague token]

so like, what happened with amagi again

did they narrow it a bit?

[zenith tundra]

they bugged it after maintenance and now it's fixed again

it was like this bugged

all shots in the middle and ap shoots stacked up in front

now it's spread and ap is a x shape

[vague token]

oh ok

[zenith tundra]

vf-17 on akaga for mirror is a good choice?

[modern tree]

You use Pirate and Reppu on Akaga because there are no better planes on EN right now, so answer is yes I guess

[zenith tundra]

i was running hellcat reppu for whatever reason tbh

i guess vf-17 on akagi since she has better efficiency right?

[modern tree]

I can't recall the exact thing, but I think Reppu bomb has like 36 more damage over the pirate or something like that, so Reppu is PURELY MATHEMATICALLY MORE DAMAGE on Akagi

but the difference really is negligable

you basically just decide which one launches forst for mvp

this one holds pirate

also

get to decide which ability line you want to hear with every strike

[zenith tundra]

i don't use same planes on akagi and kaga since i use sakura torp on kaga and common on akagi

[modern tree]

Kagas or Akagis

since pirate makes them say it every launch because of its ability

I like it on Akagi because of the laugh

[zenith tundra]

1st planes can be killed right... if so kaga might be a better choice for faster lunch since her fighters are worse then akagi

[modern tree]

I dont have nearly enough experience with playing akaga to tell you that

[zenith tundra]

neither i do but from a logical point of view 1st planes are the easiest to kill so why no pick the one with worse fighters

[modern tree]

@real notch hey, tell us about fighters for Akaga when you are free, please

[frank musk]

Thinking of running (when they come out) nagato amagi enterprise with jintsuu sendai ayanami, any inherent weaknesses I should look out for? AA?

[finite valve]

hms sniping

since WS skill is AP not HE

nagato is forever in the middle

amagi is too paper for a BC

same as enty

[real notch]

@modern tree watsup

[zenith tundra]

why would i be worried about a ws that gets replaced by doy soon

[real notch]

fighters are pretty straightforward, reppu is king, hellcat is 2nd king

[finite valve]

cus ppl are smart not stupid?

[real notch]

if u use seafang over them u a noob

[finite valve]

this is pvp

not pve

[frank musk]

Hmm

[zenith tundra]

ap does less dmg on non heavy armor

[modern tree]

BB AP actually does the most against medium, I have learned recently.

also, is Pirate Squad a Reppu

[zenith tundra]

oh ok didn't know that.

[frank musk]

Ie amagi with medium armour

Oof

[modern tree]

it doesnt matter because Amagi has evasion rate and hood has no glasses

[zenith tundra]

but saying that amagi nagato is bad because of ws is a bit of a stretch imo

[modern tree]

at least as long as juneau dies between first and second barrage, Amagi just beats HMS, ther's no sniping her. Even less so when shes in wasd

[zenith tundra]

we really don't have taihou/hiryuu for 3rd slot but far from trash

[modern tree]

because Aegis eats both 2nd barrages of hood and warspite so even if juneau didnt sink till then, she has another 15 seconds to do so

[zenith tundra]

plus taihou can be available before nagato too

[frank musk]

Whens our first anniversary again?

[zenith tundra]

august

[real notch]

wait

what was the pvp question

[zenith tundra]

@real notch the thing was vf-17 on who and reppu on who

in akaga

[real notch]

oh

up until amagi event, VF17 is not used

[zenith tundra]

i would use it for mirror mainly tbh

[real notch]

ye, because foxes were not prominent until amagi/desron

[modern tree]

AA doesnt affect akaga planes, pretty sure, just gives you a tiny bit more damage resistance to bombs

because fighter power is based on aviation

[real notch]

AA will affect touchdown dmg

because lower HP planes = lower touchdown

to a certain point