pvp

[ivory vine]

glowworm still wouldnt do shit

[pearl nimbus]

They should, but that's a lot of work for a mobile game.

[ivory vine]

[sour oasis]

((Glowwwwooorrrmmm))

[ivory vine]

cant ram if you just die to torps first

[dull elm]

♿

[pearl nimbus]

I'd be down for that, especially between friends

[high flume]

O wait nvm, forgot pvp in this game is literal RNG fest LOL

[pearl nimbus]

My friends might actually still play this game if PvP wasn't just AI controlled.

[sour oasis]

Glowworm + Eldridge then

[hot creek]

nah this is real time pvp m8, just bait out enemy's torps

then ram the shit outta them

[sour oasis]

Hahaha. InB4coop.

[pearl nimbus]

I was excited with the OC event lmao

that looked like a lil bit of co-op

but we didn't get that so unfortunate

[sour oasis]

If PvP wasn't AI, then more bots/burner accounts are made

[pearl nimbus]

so I doubt we'll ever get real time PvP

[ivory vine]

but then the torps just hit your backline

[sour oasis]

@pearl nimbus Yeah. Good coop f2p are rare.

[high flume]

LMAO it's gonna be funny if there's manual PvP and we can just ram our ship. Juneau gonna be tier 0

[pearl nimbus]

nah, just ram your Aya into them and watch the fireworks happen on both sides

[sour oasis]

Juneau already tier 0

[ivory vine]

yeah

[sour oasis]

[pearl nimbus]

Wait, what if they removed the tether range and you just rushed the backline xD

Rush their foxes before they can even get an airstrike out

[ivory vine]

then cv would be even worse than they are already

[sour oasis]

[ivory vine]

[dull elm]

you could probably nuke backline with Mag torp with manual

[pearl nimbus]

^

[high flume]

What if you know...it's gonna be like 6 v 6 team game. Where each player control 1 ship. 3 frontline and 3 main fleet.

[ivory vine]

when i first started doing my exercises i forgot to put mag torps on ayanami

[pearl nimbus]

that would be chaotic @high flume

[ivory vine]

and one of the rounds she crit 2 torps on the backline

[high flume]

inc r/EntyMains

[dull elm]

[pearl nimbus]

EntyMains lmao

[high flume]

Enty or feed

[pearl nimbus]

Juneanu mains be like "How do we die for the greater cause at the right time?"

Literally inting

smh Juneanu

I still can't believe Juneanu's heal is so strong

[sour oasis]

[pearl nimbus]

I think I've beaten fox comps and then you hear Juneanu's skill proc and you cry in despair

Juneanu really was trying her best

[sour oasis]

AND THEN FOXES BURN

Surprisingly my Juneau martyrs often as my Ent gets Lucky; which is to say, not very often (stupid rng)

[pearl nimbus]

My Enty hates me too atm

[sour oasis]

[pearl nimbus]

She misses Lucky when I need it but then procs Lucky every single time vs meme fleets.

I meeeean, Washington has become the hard carry now.

Enty's slacking.

🇺🇸

[high flume]

When you Enty got out owarida-ed by opp's Enty

[dull elm]

I run the IJN now much less rng than US

No brain power needed just delet everything in 30 seconds

boring but eh

[high flume]

@dull elm Theoretically speaking, what do you think about Akagi-Kaga-Amagi comp?

Will they become a strong T0 contender in the near future?

[dull elm]

I think its most op fleet rn

i already use it

[odd schooner]

Boring or efficient

[dull elm]

both

[high flume]

Thought so, the multiple damage reductions from Amagi is way too much and consistent

[dull elm]

winning everthing in 30 seconds or less

[odd schooner]

Pretty sure that's good for working ppl

[high flume]

It just most Amagi rn still underleveled and her skills aren't maxed

[dull elm]

yeap

[odd schooner]

So your boss won't wonder if you're having a bad diarrhea and is taking too long in the bathroom

[dull elm]

well tho i use Juneau instead of Aurora that heal feels too op your own main fleets is pretty much at full hp

and opponent almost ded

[odd schooner]

The earlier the enemy vanguard dies, the faster you choke enemy backline

Like saving the whole airstrike for backline

[high flume]

Is there any fleet / ship combinations that prioritize to kill enemy backrow first? Just thinking that's gonna be a good counter to Juneau abuser

[dull elm]

nah well i dont have Aurora yet ♿ after god knows how many cubes. BUT no problem with Juneau whatsoever

[odd schooner]

HMS

Warspite hood combo

[high flume]

Warspite-hood-QE?

[odd schooner]

Yep

[dull elm]

yeah you can make them focus snipe one backline ship

[odd schooner]

Your only issue is that if enemy has a fortune

[dull elm]

good luck hitting him

[high flume]

@odd schooner nah.. rarely seen fortune nowadays, it's all June elridge Belfast etc

[odd schooner]

[dull elm]

Crap didnt have patience to wait opponents refreshed and 3 of them did their pvp in 5 minutes

[velvet fossil]

No one wants to do their matches on mine

[hot creek]

just gotta w8

sometimes i get miracle points in the last two hours of reset

just when i think i'm about to go a round with no bonus points

bam, I get two people who do their pvps in a row at the last hour

[dull elm]

There are some cucks even who wait until 10 minutes

Also applies to me.

[hot creek]

hell yeah dude.

no one's sandbagging off my back unless they want to risk missing a pvp attempt doing it too last minute.

these days though, I usually finish at the -15 min. mark though. it can get dicey in final 10 mins if you get really unlucky.

[dull elm]

ugh yeah i think im not gonna bother to tryhard so much anymore

too many people are getting smarts at sandbagging

too much damn effort

[odd schooner]

I'm waiting for blue to push

Time wise he's winning cause i can't consitently kill his fleet in less than 40s

[hot creek]

yeah i wouldn't bother sandbagging if I wasn't lucky enough to live in the most optimal time zone

but i do....so

[velvet fossil]

[hot creek]

i've started making a list of pvp rushers and fellow sandbaggers

so i know who to avoid

and who to refresh for

now if only I could learn how to datamine leaderboards

that would make the process easier

I could start tracking movements easier too

[dull elm]

dayum

[real notch]

can confirm amakaga is t0

[elder crane]

Oh lol, I'll be doing one per 30 mins XD

Just wait until I get Hiryuu up

[real notch]

btw gurren is your amakaga maxed?

[elder crane]

Amagi literally can't have skills maxed yet for EN (maybe for CN/JP?), as a note

[real notch]

oh no i was gonna ask for maxed amakaga fleet power

[elder crane]

I don't have her 200 aff yet

[real notch]

it should be 12.9 or something

just needa find out for sure

[elder crane]

Minus that, she's ~4.35k (oathed, lv 100)

Depending on exact aux choice ofc

[tidal oxide]

quick level seventy pvp newbie question

may I ask what sandbagging is

[elder crane]

Basically, if someone has a lot more pts than you, you get extra pts for winning

So you wait until someone in your queue climbs, then you follow them

[tidal oxide]

I see

thank you

[elder crane]

it's +1 pt per ~30-35 pts difference, I don't think anyone knows the true formula yet

[real notch]

man all these amakaga fleets

it's really shitty how i'm getting fucked by RNG like t his

[dull elm]

more than 32 at least havent got +1 with 32

[real notch]

otherwise i'd be affection farming my amagi at this point

[elder crane]

If they're getting you down, I think WASD crushes them
I strongly suspect the pt requirement changes as you rank up, but no hard evidence for that

[dull elm]

yeah it probably has some effect but how much nobody knows

[elder crane]

It's hard to say, since it's always possible someone climbs as you are fighting them

I've had +1 pt when the other guy was only 20-30 above me, which clearly indicates a climb as I was fighting, but who's to say any apparent 30, or 32, etc. pt difference wasn't such an event
Esp. since if the pt req changes, the lower pt reqs are early-season, when pts and ranks are more volatile

[hot creek]

yeah at beginning season it seems a lot lower. but mid late season its always 35 points

i guess you can verify if you're lucky to get someone who gets top 100 at beginning of season

[dull elm]

I would have guessed that by now some brainiac on CN/JP would have figured that out. But apparently not

[elder crane]

They probably did, then decided to not tell anyone

Or maybe it's hanging in some obscure forum post, locked behind the great firewall

[hot creek]

i mean we kind of already know that, its just that its irrelevant cause you can't check opponent's points unless they climbed to 100 so you wouldn't be able to optimize with this info anyways

[dull elm]

yeah

[elder crane]

I've heard from some people that the +2/+3/etc reqs are also weird
But yeah, in the chaos of early rank, it's all just RNG mostly

[hot creek]

oh yeah, i also suspect something wonky is going on between the highlighted ranks https://puu.sh/CxUo7/9fb9664a9e.png

like, ill be under 300 points

296 for example

which should be getting +20 by default

if you go against someone higher

but sometimes I get +17 instead

[dull elm]

hmm i havent noticed that

but it maybe lost in sanbagging points idk

[hot creek]

there are actually thresholds to take note of

where sandbagging actually hurts you lol

but it doesn't matter 99.9% of the time

[dull elm]

im waiting with completely with 5 first exercises of season idk its actually good or not

i usually get 140 with my first 5

and thats fine for me

but i wonder i could do better than that

[hot creek]

140 is good

i think highest ive gotten is 144 or something like that

its all luck though

especially at season start

[dull elm]

yeah tru

[hot creek]

well, i guess you could refresh until you get someone who you know can do their pvp and rushes it

but even so

a lot of people at lower ranks don't even know you can reset battles

and a lot often battle non-leftmost person

so they don't even get the bare minimum of 134 points at start

[odd schooner]

Amakaga is lower i think

12.8

Unless you use DD aux gun

Oh nvm

Doesn't change

Base stat i guess?

[dull elm]

Oh well i need rush my PvP rounds. Too tired to wait more.

Luccsaccs who get + 1 from me ♿

[odd schooner]

Still 170/200 on amagi

+67 and it's 4429

[elder crane]

Yep, that matches mine at ~4350 with Beaver instead of FCR

[coral wren]

HOWS BEAVER ON AMAGI

does it help? :d

I wanna use FCR + Beaver on her cus my jintsu aya and aurora I cant decide who to use the beaver on them

[elder crane]

I just run it since I'm farming with her, mostly

[coral wren]

oh

[elder crane]

Vs planes it doesn't help much I feel, since suicide damage is unaffected

[coral wren]

hmm I see

so probly useless in pvp

[elder crane]

And since Amaka with torp FL has like almost no AA suicide damage is pretty high

[dull elm]

yeah better if she hits stuff better

[coral wren]

so SG + FCR then

[elder crane]

I'll probs go dual SG since I want my FCR for WASD

[coral wren]

I use akaga

I wanna end fights faster xd

[elder crane]

Also, anyone tried mk6s on her yet?

[coral wren]

I am using mk6 on her

[dull elm]

i do

[elder crane]

Next season I plan on testing WASDA team

[dull elm]

i want that bigger first salvo]

[coral wren]

but I dont really get much chance to use cus enemy fleets are usually dead or almost dead when she gets to fire again

torp meme squad too op

[elder crane]

Maybe Badge on her will then matter more, since that team has the AA to mitigate sui damage

[dull elm]

yeah you just kill everything to fast

[coral wren]

what would U guys pick after Red skill

Yellow or Blue

I am at yellow 4 blue 7 red 9 atm

[dull elm]

i went with yellow

[elder crane]

I went yellow since I'm pve with her right now and the small boost actually matters with my current farming

Blue might be better PvP, depends on how much plane sui damage again: blue should be stronger vs other sources

[coral wren]

I feel Yellow is stronger for pvp

there will always be FP and Aviation to reduce

[vague token]

you can always do 1 book each then choose one

gets you like 3 levels really fast

xD

[coral wren]

they are already past the lvls where one book gives alot xd

[vague token]

ah nvm then

[coral wren]

meeh gonna get yellow to 7 and then max out red and then continue other 2. gonna max all of them anyway

[elder crane]

Blue is much stronger reduction though, gives like ~15% extra eHP on back vs non suicide vs ~8% all for yellow skill

[coral wren]

owo

[elder crane]

It's almost as strong as fortune skill, might be more depending on how the base Eva rate of backline is and what sort of dmg you're taking

[coral wren]

true

but since i use her on D3 atm. I think Blue is stronger

enemy amagi likes to burn my amagi

[real notch]

i think juneau

is the key defense fleet ship

phoenix was right

[coral wren]

I actually thoiught about using Jesus in a fleet with Amagi to kinda give the fleet some AA power

since ayaya is a ijn and sigh..

[finite valve]

AA is not going to be a problem if your akagami nuke the other team out before they can do shit

[coral wren]

is it akagami or amakaga

[finite valve]

no idea how they call it

[coral wren]

lul

[finite valve]

but the new meta atm is just nuke the shit out of the enemy team

[coral wren]

yeah true. feels good when enemy jesus procs with full hp backline

[finite valve]

-45% salvo and -50% air strike

bb jesus

we will miss you

[coral wren]

if I can be bothered I sometimes put my amagi across Enty just for fun and watch her get destroyed before she can send planes xd

[real notch]

i think it's just how the 20% attacker buff is applied

juneau is just so fukin strong

can't rly explain why

but i'm losing to fleets that have juneau

and winning to fleets that don't

it's showing up in my reset tests

[finite valve]

more like the inflated HP is too strong lel

if we use normal HP pool doubt jesus going to have much of an effect

due to most ship will likely die in 1 foxes air strike

[odd schooner]

@elder crane you're already at 5/10?

[hidden hare]

How to counter amakaga now

[coral wren]

with amakaga

[hidden hare]

Sad

[urban coral]

WASD doesn't work?

[coral wren]

I think WASD should be the strongest for pvp fleets but with +20 attack buff wasd dosnt stand a chance

[ionic magnet]

belfast smoke saves lives

[real notch]

wasd is pretty strong

amakaga feels strong af too

based on my tests

[ionic magnet]

they are indeed

[coral wren]

try save lives when 13 torps are comiong at u

[ionic magnet]

i can still beat them the easiest tho since they are squishy af

[coral wren]

maybe i should change to wasd just to test

if I find a akagami

[ionic magnet]

13 torps hit calls for a reset

[vague token]

maybe they just need a global damage nerf except CA guns ;)))

[coral wren]

hows CA guns gonna help if ur CA sinks before they can shoot 2nd salvo

[vague token]

if you 50% reduce damage to all except CA main guns

there ya go

[coral wren]

50% rip

[ionic magnet]

lmao

shows you how weak CAs are

[vague token]

im not biased i swear

although personally there's too much burst damage imo

like we need DPS to shine some more

so a match isnt done in less than 20 seconds

xD

[coral wren]

actually wasd can last up to 1 min if u are unlucky and lowered their Sodak hp down too fast before their washy is dead then u gotta wait for her cheat death

[vague token]

yeah but that is more accidental

rather than a regular thing

usually the match is almost always decided (not done) in under 20 seconds

[coral wren]

true I place my amagi across washy for this reason

[vague token]

aka you have forced a reset

or you lost

[coral wren]

been wondering. how does amagi fit into a wasd team?

[ionic magnet]

amagi can fit in any lineup tbh

[odd schooner]

Amakaga def?

[vague token]

global enemy debuff, main fleet defense boost, 70% barrage, you can add her to basically anything lol

[odd schooner]

[hot creek]

rng can be a bitch if you're facing torp fleet. One time I was facing such a fleet and they were literally just sniping my backline for both opening and second torpedo salvo. two of my backliners were dead while all three of my vanguard still alive somehow. shit was bonkers. Then i reset and next match I nuked them in like 20 seconds gg. fuckin torp rng

[ionic magnet]

[coral wren]

whats the best torp vanguard?

[vague token]

torp damage down by 50%, make them aimed?

[coral wren]

aya jintsu fubuki? or aurora or hmm Poi? lul

[vague token]

that would be fun

lose burst for consistency?

actually it is kinda weird we dont have aimed torps but we have sakura torp planes

[finite valve]

@coral wren aurora if you want a consistent debuff or kagerou for more torp dps

[coral wren]

I will stick with aurora. shes getting skin soon

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/CxWGP/cf9e4ad5b1.png

just noticed this

what exactly did they change? 🤔

[vague token]

it's wider

instead of super focused

i think

you wont hit as much of it on the opposite side backline im guessing

[hot creek]

rip sniping

[vague token]

i mean it's still ok

just not ALL the shots

[hot creek]

but i guess thats a good thing. fuck IJN. only HMS should have quickscoping abilities

[vague token]

xD

[supple stratus]

Which ability should i max out first on Aurora?

[vague token]

i mean, which german battlecruiser has that ultra terrible sniper skill

xD

[supple stratus]

k thanks

[hot creek]

yeah definitely the yellow one. that one has the most impact.

red one doesnt even affect CLs 🚮

[ionic magnet]

aurora only hates lolis

[finite valve]

since when does CL are loli?

by that extend she should hate herself

since she herself is a CL

lel

[ionic magnet]

wdym

auroras skill only affects DDs

not CL

hence me saying she hates lolis

[ionic magnet]

DDs = lolis lol

[finite valve]

destroyers AND light cruisers

[ionic magnet]

oh right

i got confused

but im talking abt red skill

[coral wren]

yeah Red skill is DDs only in pvp

[ionic magnet]

[finite valve]

red skill is only useful in pve

even then her damage is not really wichita lvl anyway

not going to matter much

[coral wren]

wichita is not cl

[vague token]

i mean, it does boost ALL damage so if her torps hit, she can help execute destroyers with gold belgun

[ionic magnet]

calling her skill not useful in pvp is just false

it still helps on killing aya and the infamous eldridge

[finite valve]

go and ask around the more try hard ppl for pvp in here and see how much they rated her red skill is

[ionic magnet]

i dont need to ask tbh

[finite valve]

[ionic magnet]

its a buff against dds for gods sake

what is there to ask

[finite valve]

i rather use those 15 gold t3 on something better if you ask me

but hey is up to you on what you want to do

[vague token]

i mean, we got a good number of t3s, there's no reason not to max it lol

(from event shop)

[finite valve]

pretty sure you are not maxing most good red skill

[ivory vine]

the problem is what dd are you using her skill against

[finite valve]

if you are then you will not speak like that

[ivory vine]

and does it even matter cuz auroras damage isnt the highest

[ionic magnet]

if im using aurora then why not max all her skills

[finite valve]

red book is the most rare book in out of the 3

[ionic magnet]

just doesnt make sense

[ivory vine]

cuz skill books are a valuable resource

[finite valve]

since most ship use red skill the most

most good ship anyway

[ionic magnet]

oh please if thats your reason then i cant do anything abt that

just get more books lel

[ivory vine]

id def prioritize other skills over it

[velvet fossil]

If someone wants to use red book on something that’s actually usable let them, theres no reason to tell them how not to use their own books. They could have 200 spare for all we know

[ivory vine]

but then again i like to level a lot of ships

[finite valve]

i did buy EVERY t3 book i can get

[ivory vine]

[finite valve]

and yet there are still not enough red book to use

[ivory vine]

i wouldnt max it but that's cuz i already have a backlog of a bunch of skills

[finite valve]

@velvet fossil i already did tell him that lol

[ionic magnet]

still, lack of books doesnt make her skill useless

just saying

[finite valve]

i also follow it by saying that it is his game / book he can do whatever he want with it

like i already stated imo i rather use it on better skill

[ionic magnet]

im not saying to max it either (prolly lv 8 at most) but does that make her skill useless?

[vague token]

i mean, 10-20% free damage to destroyers isnt useless unless you go against triple CL

which is fine because you have dawn still

xD

[ionic magnet]

thats exactly what im saying

[modern tree]

I don't have an amazing sample size, but Amagi foxes seems to be able to snipe both vanguard and Enterprise with their first strike if you get barrage. None of the games I play are lasting longer than 40 seconds and that's kinda nuts

Mere fact that you can mostly guarantee second torp launch to be in the backlines face because vanguard that got hit with barrage will die to fox strike is dumb

[sharp obsidian]

Amakaga Meta is pretty nice. Having fast PvP matches feels like such a dream now. No more 3 minutes of watching Enterprise v Enterprise duels

[ionic magnet]

1v1 ents

my life

lmao

[modern tree]

It's probably a lot more vulnerable on defense because lack of damage and fragile front but can just run wasd defense, foxes have their own gear

[hot creek]

I considered split gear for offense and defense once but then realized vanguard auxes...

also beaver

[modern tree]

Beauty of the en frontline meta is that you can afford to run the same ships on both offense and defense because Jintsuu Aurora X is just this good. Beaver is the only thing I don't have on my fox team but they really don't tank anything

Game is over before damage begins

[inland tiger]

Is eld still relevant?

Oof

Just maxed her recently..

[hot creek]

still useable against wasdE just not as usaeble when jintsuu aurora in town

but even so she can still survive opening torps if a lot miss

but against foxes, say goodnight

[inland tiger]

K, ty for the info

[vague token]

also, eldridge doesnt really contribute a lot to foxes imo anyways lol

[real notch]

the struggle for amagi is real

[urban coral]

lmao

yup

[real notch]

ye

296 cubes btw

[urban coral]

you spent 296 cubes for amagi?

[subtle whale]

same

[real notch]

yea

[subtle whale]

rip when montplier comes

[real notch]

296 cubes for amagi

[subtle whale]

i still have alot of points to get

[sharp obsidian]

@real notch , glad to hear you finally got Amagi. The RNG on this game could sometimes be so crazy!

[real notch]

no no

i didn't get amagi yet

[sharp obsidian]

😮

[real notch]

[urban coral]

damn

[sharp obsidian]

Hang in there! There's still time.

[urban coral]

A lot of time in fact

[real notch]

just got another belfast tho

[sharp obsidian]

On a side note, I'm building up my Bunny Squad now including the skills. Hopefully, their retros along with Hyuuga come soon 😄

I just realized today that Hiryuu's escape death invul lasts for 15s. Pretty crazy

[urban coral]

it really is lmao

[ivory vine]

15s and a free air strike

[sharp obsidian]

Is Hiryuu's free airstrike a legit airstrike or like Yorktown's Vengeance?

[urban coral]

good question

[ivory vine]

i think it's just a straight up airstrike

[ionic magnet]

i put her mid yea

im using ayaya and aurora and they both die at p much the same time

with aya as off tank

[real notch]

ayy

hit the fat 300 cubes

and no amagi

[sharp obsidian]

Who do you put alongside Aurora / Jintsuu?

@real notch , have you tried pulling on a different device?

[real notch]

according to math

[sharp obsidian]

I went on this really horrible 400 cube adventure trying to get Green Heart (got 8 Black Hearts along the way). And on the last few days, I tried pulling on a separate device

and she joined me then

[real notch]

the chances of rolling 300 cubes with no amagi is

4.8%

[sharp obsidian]

hehe, wish there was some trading feature

Same here!!

If not for the folks over at reddit, I would've quit

[real notch]

oh i didn't get black heart

lmao

yo i'm not even

in it

for the completion %

i legit just want my pvp ships

[sharp obsidian]

I'm it in for the Completion % and PvP

[real notch]

i even got kaga BB

[sharp obsidian]

Whoa 0.5%!

[real notch]

and like 8 other SSRs

[sharp obsidian]

Mate, try pulling on another device

each device prolly generates a different seed for RNG

I started doing it since the Neptunia event

[real notch]

i usually pull on my cellphone

but i alternate between computer and cellphone

[sharp obsidian]

Oh wow 😮 I hope you get her

Seems like PvP wise, Amagato Bunny is the new Meta

[real notch]

ye

doggy

[sharp obsidian]

My Bunny is now in school, 2 weeks till she finishes

I want to see the free airstrike. Hopefully is legit

[real notch]

that's why amagi is so important

[sharp obsidian]

So if Jintsuu - Ayanami - Aurora?

Jintsuu front, Aya mid, Aurora back?

[real notch]

with doggy?

CN/JP meta uses i think YKKZ

[sharp obsidian]

I am going Amakaga first

[real notch]

and saint louis

[sharp obsidian]

since no Nagato yet

It is fun for me, PvP finishes <40s all the time

no more long battles which I hated

[real notch]

yea the strongest defense fleet

includes juneau

[sharp obsidian]

but WASD takes a while to heat up. the nice thing about Amakaga + DesRon is that you know if you win in the first 20s

[real notch]

so i would use jintsuu aurora juneau

[sharp obsidian]

What torps do you guys use? Mag Torps Quints?

or Quads?

[real notch]

quads

yeah CLs tend to fare better against desron

[sharp obsidian]

How about those non-homing ones, is there merit in trying them out?

for DesRon?

the IJN Quad seems to hit twice as hard if it lands

[real notch]

non-homing ones you should use quints

they're a little more consistent

but if u like big inconsistent dmg u can try quads

[coral wren]

Oh boy, def side with desron sure does abuse the positioning of ships, fucking hell

Is there a countermeasure to this?

[odd schooner]

I am not used to real world codenames

[modern tree]

You can use torp bulges on main fleet, but it probably doesn't work much better than placebo

[coral wren]

Yeah, bulge is fucking nonexistent when it comes to jin

retаrded ai will guide your vanguard through all of torps with 0 fucks given

[modern tree]

Oh your front is dying, uhh, manipulate speed. You can make the fleet fast enough for the torps to miss them, only front ship will catch some if unlucky. I think with 3 cls on beaver, one or two boilers makes you just fast enough to not give a shit

Can also just do the lazy thing and play Leander kai or fishnchips kai

[hot creek]

fishnchips

now im hungry

[modern tree]

40% evasion rate for all the torps

[hot creek]

I saw a rare fishnchips in pvp today

she did her job valiantly

[modern tree]

Can also play Comet because torpy memes

Actually, thats so smart that I am stealing my own idea

Jintsuu, Aurora Comet kai

Get to torp and vape

[hot creek]

when the enemy Helena procs but their Enty has already been deleted.

#justHMSthings

I should start learning how to use sony vegas already.

I've been wanting to make a quickscope montage.

Also, Comet's torp buff only affect DD?

[wise summit]

it's magix vegas now

although I guess that's, uh, not related to pvp

anyone with a maxed barrage amagi have any feedback on how it compares against say hood barrage

[supple stratus]

Is it better to have a lvl 90 HMS fleet or a Lvl 100 medium-done fleet?

[azure aurora]

Lv 90 hms

[supple stratus]

Is it better chance of winning?

If so then i'm probs gonna begin equipping with my best stuff

[azure aurora]

If skill already max lv better lv 90 HMS than random lv 100

[supple stratus]

Well most of my lvl 100 fleet has midrange skills but i'm slowly training up my Hms skills

QE skill is maxed and so is Hood and Lusty

[azure aurora]

Then 100% HMS better

And throw lusty

You only need hood and QE

[supple stratus]

Don't have anything better for Lusty, need to train up Owarida then probs replace

[azure aurora]

Lusty then

[supple stratus]

Is Ark better than lusty?

[azure aurora]

No, cvl hp is low

[supple stratus]

Ok

Just wondering

[pastel forge]

ark is better than lusty for pvp I'm sure

[azure aurora]

But his team lv 90

Lusty protection better than damage from ark

And let qe and hood snipe enemy

[pastel forge]

but his front is usual hms right? if there is eld lusty is prob better at that lvl tho

[azure aurora]

[elder crane]

I don't think enty strikes line up with sodak skill though, or do you mean naturally tank?

[azure aurora]

Amagi barrage damage not as good as hood

Or because my amagi low leveled

[elder crane]

With fully maxed BiS foxes, it barely catches the very front end of it

[azure aurora]

% amagi better

-70% and +70%

[elder crane]

With Hood acceleration as well, foxes have the first half of strike run into Aegis

[pastel forge]

on pvp I like amagi's a bit more, on pve its hood

[elder crane]

I prefer Amagi's PvE actually

It's more dispersed I think

[azure aurora]

For me pvp amagi , mob amagi, boss hood

[elder crane]

Once we have lv unlock, and esp. with Nagato, Aegis blunts 2nd Akaga strike by a lot

Since then foxes fast enough to run into it

[pastel forge]

I swear sometimes fox 2nd strike hit aegis

[elder crane]

And if ppl optimize for fox mirrors as well, since the first to launch without sacrificing too much dmg is more favoured to win

Well, with lv unlock we get banked XP so not so bad

[azure aurora]

Ok thats good question

Which ship to lv up 1st

Belfast 1st for me

[pastel forge]

no clue tbh, I'm not hardcore enough to lvl up pvp only ships first for sure (like sodak)

yes me too lmao

[azure aurora]

Belfast, jintsuu and amagi

[elder crane]

I'd do the main carry PvE ships that are in PvP

So 1 of Wash/Amagi/Hood first probs

Probably Wash, since she's my favourite for PvE

[azure aurora]

I be brave and raise ijn meta

[pastel forge]

Aya Jint amagi helena not sure the rest

[elder crane]

I suspect backline first is the way to go

[azure aurora]

Foxes amagi jintsuu Belfast

After that jesus

[elder crane]

Since the backline makes most teams anyways

[azure aurora]

1 bb/bc 1 cv and 1 vanguard

Send them 7-2

[elder crane]

As I expected, JPCN getting WC rerun, which highly suggests WC is our next event

Rejoice, HMS users!

[pastel forge]

wohoo

[azure aurora]

Farm w 10 now, better farming exp in world 7

[pastel forge]

dork

[azure aurora]

February winter crown ?

[elder crane]

Time to save up my cubes, thankfully still 200 left right now

[azure aurora]

Nope

[elder crane]

Just DoY I think

[pastel forge]

hmm wait, have they announced new ships for wc rerun?

[azure aurora]

DoY the only 1 you need

[elder crane]

No idea, but we probably get original versiob

[azure aurora]

And she from exchange

[pastel forge]

we did get the rerun version of FW tho with minne

[elder crane]

Wait, she's exchange? lol

JP though skipped straight to rerun as well for FW

Visitors and DC for example we got original(-ish for DC)

[azure aurora]

[pastel forge]

DC we got rerun

[elder crane]

Oh right, Victorious

[pastel forge]

visitor is original since ykkz and mogami early would be too good I suppose

[elder crane]

What's she do again?

[azure aurora]

Slow ?

[pastel forge]

isn't she kinda useless? iirc

[elder crane]

Well, with Minnie not sure how much of a difference mogami makes in power level

[azure aurora]

She fighter cv like lusty

[elder crane]

Though I guess no portland retro yet, I suppose

[azure aurora]

Next retro sandy we skip Portland

[inland tiger]

What should i use for dive bomber? Sb2c?

[elder crane]

Wait, Vic is normal CV package

[pastel forge]

I only really want dork and sheffield I think. port Kai is long overdue smh

[azure aurora]

Normal CV ?

[elder crane]

Focus on strike if anything, given plane counts and eff

F/DB/TB

[azure aurora]

/wiki Victorious

[elder crane]

And 2/3/3 setup

[azure aurora]

[elder crane]

And 120/130/130 eff

[pastel forge]

Vic total planes is 7 right? 1 less than most

[elder crane]

And two skills that buff strike (though 1 is weak, 1 is RNG)

Wiki says 8

[pastel forge]

oh

guess I remember wrong

[azure aurora]

[elder crane]

Skills though are 🚮

Assault CV and a jank skill that doesn't matter much

[strange moat]

request to https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/api.php?action=opensearch&search=Victorious failed, reason: connect ETIMEDOUT 62.210.203.63:443

[pastel forge]

bad bot

[azure aurora]

Nimi broke

[elder crane]

Only skills that could be considered downsides I think are SoDak Aegis and Mass SHS, all others are at most useless

[coral wren]

Ok, i'm actually considering 2 sg radars for each bb. I'm pretty sure if not that 20% buff, offensive side would be dicked so hard since you get hit right away with both torps and enemy backline, when your whole team is focusing enemy vanguard first

Yeah, i can see why. Fuck hpfcr and fuck beaver

[wise summit]

hpfcr/sgr is what I usually run, keeping beaver on front, but might change that

[coral wren]

Can't be offensive if you are dead 😄

I'm sure this will get even worse when nagato is out

[zenith flame]

is cv kaga is better than bb kaga if amagi is present?

[azure aurora]

CV kaga better

[zenith flame]

back to fox mines I go then

[mild cedar]

So will Nakaga or Amagi+Akaga be better?

Cause Nagato's buff is real nice but Amagi's def buffs are just really good

[finite valve]

nagato amagi and hiryuu kai / taihou

or just slap enty in there

[lunar veldt]

Eh hiryu kai is better imo

That stall is cancer

But at 100% proc enty is smth

[finite valve]

and what if taihou proc all her planes?

[lunar veldt]

[finite valve]

both ship can deal with front line just as good as the other

taihou is just a tad better if her planes proc

bb front line

hiryuu on the other hand you need her to die to proc her planes

so up to you on what you want lol

[foggy token]

by the time u guys get taihou, hiryuu probably have her kai

hiryuu kai trades tankiness for 15 sec zombie and a set barrage at 10 sec

[finite valve]

but then who would say no to this thot anyway
https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/w/images/7/78/TaihouPartyJP.png

[foggy token]

i think either are fine choices

but when u face mirror matches with taihoe against hiryuu

15 sec on hiryuu is really annoying

[finite valve]

problem with taihou vs hiryuu is that who can finish the front line faster

hiryuu need to die to proc planes

while taihou is just normal proc

so i would say 51 49 in favor of taihou

not to mention if you did proc all her planes it is pretty much gg for the front line anyway

[foggy token]

wdym hiryuu needs to die to proc her planes?

her retrofit gives a skillto throw planes starting at 10 sec

and every 20 sec afterwards

[finite valve]

pretty sure most guru said that her planes barage is not really on the good side

[coral wren]

Is taihou coming earlier than nagato?

[finite valve]

i was talking about her proc from the zombie skill

[foggy token]

doesnt matter. still free planes with suicide damage

[finite valve]

@coral wren JP CN

it ain't going to matter if you have no front line

taihou skill is basically a white flag for the front line

[coral wren]

no one mentions KR
😄

[foggy token]

kr doesnt exist

[finite valve]

even more so if all 3 planes proc

[foggy token]

thats 7% chance

btw

[finite valve]

a lone hiryuu ain't going to win a front + back line

and yet it still could happen

even if it does not proc reset is another thing you can do

or are we talking about non reset?

[foggy token]

who resets

[finite valve]

if that the case then yes hiryuu is more consistent

[foggy token]

lel

i aint playing pvp so i can reset to get a proc

[finite valve]

anybody can reset

be it hiryuu or taihou

then use hiryuu then

[foggy token]

im gonna physically use them both and see who handles better

i have taihoe at lv120 and using her already

my hiryuu only at 100

[finite valve]

1 v 1 fight hiryuu win

[foggy token]

i did, but barely

i dont feel like a win

[finite valve]

but in pvp you need to take into account front line

[foggy token]

since attackwr has 20%

[finite valve]

in that case i would say taihou is better

[foggy token]

it was sanrui sandy juneau vs juneau belfast ykkz

[finite valve]

ykkz is with hyruu or taihou?

since they are def i think is must be with hyruu

[foggy token]

ykkz is with hiryuu

[finite valve]

yep

need more test to say who is better tbh

how does that comp fare vs wasd?

since i hear that wasd rekt that comp

[foggy token]

hard to test

gotta find a wasd first

[finite valve]

https://www.bilibili.com/video/av39630419

[real notch]

@foggy token aux and placement on a jintsuu, juneau, aurora frontline?

trying to piece the oxytorp, rainbow mag, pearls, badge jigsaw pieces

[modern tree]

I play with oxy and rainbow mags on Jintsuu, Pearl and Badge on Aurora and everything else is not really that important so Jintsuu has a torp bulge so she survives at least long enough to torp twice and Juneau has 2 Boilers because why not

I really dont think rainbow equipment is all that good on Aurora and Juneau because their offensive stats blow

[real notch]

ye i came to that conclusion

so jintsuu ends up with around 3k HP after auxs

which is actually really low lol

that's my main issue with that aux breakdown

[modern tree]

is that for carriers or other backline?

[real notch]

3CV yea

comparatively with belfast who uses toolkit + bulge

[modern tree]

I suspect you are trying to make them good on defense, hence Juneau

[real notch]

that's +850 HP on 3200 so belfast ends up with like 4100 HP

ye i am

xd

just realized juneau defense is broken

(alao wont hurt my offense winrates so winwin)

[modern tree]

the problem with those 3 specifically is that Jintsuu is the only boat with offensive stats and if you are concerned with her survivablility, you end up with Juneau or Aurora tanking and both are baaaaddddd

[finite valve]

his win condition is the back line so not like the front is needed

all they need to do is hold the fort for the 1 air strike

[modern tree]

the thing about this lineup is that if front dies too fast your cvs get torped and die

[real notch]

Yeah so i was wondering placement too

Cus my jintsuu is bot

Only ship that will survive opening torps

sucks that she has to tank tbh

[modern tree]

you could just play oxy/pear on jintsuu so she heals other frontliners if she gets rng torped

the health difference between that and bulge is probably not super significant

[real notch]

Yee i was thinking that

The torp dmg reduction is pretty big though

[modern tree]

I am not sure how her 20% interacts with it

We need Juneau kai with smoke

[real notch]

Also u know what

Im changing my name

To 300 cubes no amagi

Yea thats a good one

[modern tree]

but TECHNICALLY 70% of 500 is 350

[real notch]

I am indeed salty

[modern tree]

so the health difference between pearl and bulge is probably not HUGE

[finite valve]

can't you just set nick name?

[real notch]

Prolly not

[modern tree]

are you gonna rename yourself in game too? wouldnt those gems be better used for amagi?

[real notch]

Bulge prolly gives more effective hp the more u r torped

Nah i hardly play anymore

I just do pvp so it dont overfill

Everytime i open the game it brings the nightmares back

[modern tree]

I am just looking at my 12k oil wishing I had time to play the fucking game

but instead I just do pvp and work

[real notch]

Sameeeeeeeee

Just do the big oil dailies

[modern tree]

Just wish I didnt have to lock up my phone to work tbh, I could be doing so much moooooore than smash people with Akamagi

[real notch]

Akamagi lol

Man theres too many abbreviations

[modern tree]

I am the best at names

[real notch]

Amakaga akamagi akagimaga amakagi

[odd schooner]

The furries

[coral wren]

What could you fix in this fleet?

I got:

4 Purins
Akagi
Kaga ( both )
Amagi
Enty
Belfap
Aurora
Helena
Cleve
Laffey

I‘m missing:
Aya
Jintsuu
St.Lewdis
Juneau

Could you tell me a good Vanguard fleet?

[coral wren]

@modern tree You are writing holy :0

[modern tree]

@coral wren it looks alright for what you have, leveling it up should be top priority. Also gear. Gear makes or breaks comps. If you have not already, look into farming purple plates, current event hardmode drops a bunch and anything above w6 does too. You seem to have a decent idea of what will be good ships to level with your "dont have" list so I am gonna leave it up to you to get those. Cleave will be a good standin for Aurora and Laffey later if you start feeling she's not doing so hot anymore (basically as soon as you start facing abundance of auroras and other garbage).

I tend to ramble way more than it is reasonable for a text chatroom

[coral wren]

It‘ll be no problem to level up.
I know, i need much gear too and plates.

I‘ll get the stage 10 ships when i have access to it and enough power.

[modern tree]

Problem with focusing too much on pvp is that you are left with lackluster ships for pve so dont lose your head over it. W10 will be really tough if you had only geared carriers, for one

[real notch]

ok.... now i'm using

aurora - jintsuu - juneau

or....

aurora - juneau - jintsuu?

big thonk

or... jintsuu - juneau - aurora

[modern tree]

I have no faith in tanking Aurora, losing her to torp RNG cripples carriers so much

[real notch]

now i'm getting slapped by an HMS fleet

abysmal winrate

holy moly

gonna post this in a bit

[modern tree]

HMS either snipes a fox or enterprise so its a pretty damn bad matchup if you cant get your frontline to die early

which is funny to say because with 3cvs you generally dont want that to happen

but if you dont heal between hood barrages, rip

[real notch]

ye

this guy also has belfast and fortune

lmao

can't get more anti-fox than that

Dracil (Queen Elizabeth, Warspite, Hood | Juneau, Fortune, Belfast) 12.6/13.1
Sirrequiem (akagi, kaga, enterprise | aurora, jintsuu, juneau) 12.5/12.7

Foxes vs. HMS

Game 1 - loss
Game 2 - win
Game 3 - loss
Game 4 - loss
Game 5 - win
Game 6 - loss
--- At this point swap pearl to Jintsuu, torpedo bulge to aurora---
Game 7 - win
Game 8 - win
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - win
Game 11 - win
Game 12 - win

[modern tree]

hes either using some bad equipment or never maxed oaths

[real notch]

sorry i missed 1 game

W/R was 67%

[modern tree]

but it looks like casual internet guide HMS

[real notch]

probably torp bulge was the biggest

[modern tree]

and those are made with countering foxes in mind so yea

[real notch]

because if aurora died to a BB salvo

then fortune will just dance around until one of my CVs die

does feel like a coincidence tho

but yea daxam i can tell

his frontline is inflated right

you shouldn't be able to get 13.1k with juneau

looks like he's running a couple FCRs on backline too

[prisma gale]

uh

if I run a team with

akagi, kaga, amagi and ayanami

will her dodge skill proc

that includes amagi right

oh ok

ty

[odd schooner]

Should be 12.8
Feels like someone is using oxytorp

[livid fractal]

I'm scared

[odd schooner]

Oh wait 12.4

Wonder if amagi would be top or bottom in def

Should be 12.5 if I'm not using boilers

[coral wren]

anyone tested yet, is amagi better than big e on offensive wasd?

[odd schooner]

Offensive eh

[modern tree]

I tested it, shes strong but wasd is zzz

[odd schooner]

Too slow

[modern tree]

and her first shot being fast matters a lot and I have only Jintsuu Aya and Shiranui so I cant give it a proper test

[coral wren]

that's fine, i just wonder if she is worth switching to

don't like to be dependent on lucky e

[modern tree]

I think that just the fact that even without her first shot being fast she can snipe E in a mirror makes her really good

my tests vs wasd were really one sided

[coral wren]

your torps>enemy team? )

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

all these snowballs

so lovely

[odd schooner]

I don't have any fox on list rip i wanna check if she pops early

[modern tree]

my attempts are in sirreqs doc if you are curious

[coral wren]

ah, found it

were any of those matches close?

[modern tree]

I quit any close match because I am assuming that if a match might make me reset then I lost

so I wrote down 2 close ones that I wasnt sure if I could take as losses

[real notch]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit

it's at the bottom

along with some other useful test data

[modern tree]

everything else was with all 3 backlines surviving or wasd still being reasonably healthy

[odd schooner]

I guess this will work lmao but she needs to not die on preloaded torps

Pop jesus and everyone on the back will have full hp

Oh and req another person got her at 310

Maybe you'll get her soon

[real notch]

thanks gurren

i really hope so

i'm just scared to splurge all my cubes now and get nothing

then i'll really be hopeless

[ivory vine]

there's still like 2 weeks

[zenith tundra]

is buldge a thing on bbs?

[gritty cove]

It most certainly is

Wait wtf I was thinking about beaver

[modern tree]

You can use it, doesnt mean you should. BBs have more than enough firepower to defend themselves and using an item that will migrate damage from an odd torp once in a blue moon instead of getting evasion or other stats seems rather inefficent

[zenith tundra]

wtf do u do against aurora jintsuu aya with akaga... i'm deleting vanguard by 1st airstrike and if not by 2nd torp wave. it's so insane

my aya is literally every time mvp against bbs

i got a 29k dmg mvp earlier with her

[gritty cove]

Trying to get the reduced volley is a pain without foxes..

Are the boilers currently worth using

[modern tree]

Boilers are always worth using, the problem is that their application is rather tricky, as you sort of need a specyfic goal to run them. Equipping them for the hell of it is just wasteful, use another toolbox

Speed is generally an underrated stuff that you can do a lot of things with, but experimenting with it is rather tedious

[zenith tundra]

against desron i wouldn't run speed tbh. the ai ends up "collecting" more torpedoes than u need to

[gritty cove]

Still need plates for other things so can't max out boilers anyways

[modern tree]

If you are too slow then they just home in on you, tho. This is why speed is hard to use

[zenith tundra]

i use the beaver badge and it feels ok

[gritty cove]

I've also considered a beaver enty with foxes

[zenith tundra]

buldge works against cv torpedoes too?

[gritty cove]

No

[modern tree]

nope

AA gives you protection against those

[gritty cove]

Wish I had the equipment for attacking and defending, changing items is kinda annoying

[real notch]

are u swapping? i don't think people usually swap

[wise summit]

why do people use the term desron, it describes nothing, not the names of the ships involved and not even the class of ships involved since aurora/jtsuu are CLs not des

[ivory vine]

[wise summit]

if it referred exclusively to like full fubuki tokugata meme that's fair enough

but still communicates less than the names of the ships

[odd schooner]

Found a full ijn fleet to test on

Turns out if i put amagi below, she died first

But if i switch Washington and amagi slot, it evens out

Also suicide strat and belfast juneau fortune comp

Both works but jintsuu juneau ayanami finishes 10s or earlier than Belfast comp

[vague token]

bottom eats more torp plane damage xD

[coral wren]

any idea why my vanguard max is like 12.5k power with ayaya and it goes below to 12.1k with jeau?

its also my offense fleet

[ivory vine]

cuz ayaya is a retrofit ship and they usually have higher power iirc

[coral wren]

so it has nothing to do with synergy

like jintsuu buffing ayaya more than jeanu or something

[ivory vine]

yeah it doesnt care about synergy

it just looks at w/e power each ship has

[coral wren]

oh

[ivory vine]

cuz i just tried it w/ akaga and it literally adds them together

[coral wren]

also oh my lord wahsys barrage is garbage in pvp

[odd schooner]

Power comes from individual ships

[sharp roost]

enterprise the mvp of my fleet

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

why does Washys barrage just barely reach enemy backlines lol

[odd schooner]

Lvl10?

[coral wren]

fml that shit is weak when u comparing it to amagis. yes maxed

[odd schooner]

Weird

From my end she kills a backline faster than amagi

[elder crane]

? I find wash's is more powerful, comparing results when they are both on team

[ivory vine]

sometimes my hood barrages barely fuckin hit the enemy backline

[elder crane]

Both having the usual +hit type equipment

[coral wren]

how big are the hit boxes on the barrages

[elder crane]

Yeah, there's some RNG involved in the hit %

[coral wren]

maybe landing right in front of the ship still does dmg

like splash dmg

[ivory vine]

it's mostly noticeable when the bote across from her is dead

and instead of hitting the side bote with a few shells

[elder crane]

Yep, they do, like visually Hood's barrage in top spot iirc seems to fully miss, but the game still registers 6 shots on target

[ivory vine]

it just lands in front of the backline and hits nothing

maybe like 1 shell hits

but if the enemy across her is alive it's still close enough to clip them

[elder crane]

Most straight barrages don't hit side ships much

[coral wren]

does having BBs top or bot matter on their barrages???

[ivory vine]

just not close enough to hit the ones to the sides

yeah it's in front of them

[elder crane]

I've heard differing opinions on whether which slot affects barrage hard hit rate (not the "miss", but actually hitting)

[odd schooner]

Gonna go with this during gensui days

[sharp roost]

That's what amagis barrage looks like when it does kill

[odd schooner]

Hope it stalls

[coral wren]

Amagis barrage hits thru them. like it dosnt land in front of enemies. they actually go thru and land straight on them

@odd schooner hows ur wasdmagi so high power 😮

[elder crane]

Visually, it looks like there's a big difference in barrage land rate between slots, but iirc at least one person claimed that his testing showed no actual difference

[shrewd warren]

washi

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

is that from 200 aff?

the extra power

or +10 sgs

[odd schooner]

134 on each

[coral wren]

I only have 1x + 10 sg radar and 3x +6

[odd schooner]

+67 on amagi still 185/200

[elder crane]

184 aff on mine, looks like max aff by weekend
Though, skills will take another week to fully max

[odd schooner]

@coral wren bis stuff and +10

Double sg +10
Sg fcr on amagi

[coral wren]

I use beaver + FCR on sodak
double +6 sgs on washy
+10 sg and +10 reloader on amagi to avoid gcd on barrage with sodak

[odd schooner]

I removed beaver

Frontline eats torpedoes

[coral wren]

what do u use instead on sodak?

[odd schooner]

The beaver is on my offensive fleet

Double sg

[coral wren]

oh

ok more sgs

[odd schooner]

My offensive can abuse the beaver more since they're using mag torps

I'm using 610mm on Washington fleet

[coral wren]

I swap gear xd

and i use same fleet on def and off

easier to put gear on and take off

lul dead enty after 20 secs. amagi is goddamn amazing

[narrow grove]

Yo, could I get some feedback on my pvp fleet?

Running a backline of Wash, South Dakota, and Enty, and a van of Eugen (for lack of a better tank), Cleve and Laffey

[subtle whale]

backline fine

eugen aint really useful for pvp

her skill doesnt block bb shot which is where your vanguard will die too

and also air strike

[narrow grove]

Kinda figured lol anyone you'd recommend to replace her?

Yeah, they kinda melt

[subtle whale]

eldridge if you want to beef your vanguard

jenaue cus jenaue

[narrow grove]

Enty + Wash and SoDa are winning fights for me atm

[subtle whale]

that backline mainly wants vanguard to die

so they can just dps race the enemy backline which they usually win

[narrow grove]

So...drop Eugen and Clevebro, then?

Or should I give Laffey the boot?

[subtle whale]

i dont really know your box

and i only been using the good pvp vanguard so i cant give any info about ship outisde of it

vanguard guns doesnt really do much damage in pvp so laffey kinda bad

cleveland is rng

you can time your bb shot with her first skill

[narrow grove]

I have most common ships and virtually all of the collection reward ships

Think I'm just missing Hood

[subtle whale]

junaue cleveland laffey prob works

or swap laffey for ayanami for attack

[narrow grove]

Juneau first, I'm assuming?

[subtle whale]

yeah

aurora is great if you have her

[narrow grove]

I do, actually

She spooked me in the limited build last banner

Swap her for Cleveland, then?

[subtle whale]

you can go like juneau, aurora, belfast

yeah