pvp

[dull hollow]

there's like

enough fw comps here and there

i just want more data on amagi and hms

fw i've pretty much figured it out

nakaga is just so

jp is like

80% nakaga

10% 2017 HMS comps

5% meme shit comps

4% FW

1% interesting comps

the fucking hood lusty/warspite QE comps

trigger me so hard

liek what ARE YOU DOING

[foggy token]

hey

catter to new players

easiest comp to build

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

but they 120 comps

i mean thx for free exp

but

zz

[foggy token]

CN is like 50% random comps.

let me see if i can find an example

[dull hollow]

brave man

i wanna try the kaga meme but i think the damage is actually pretty low

[ivory vine]

isnt her barrage basically just wash barrage on main gun?

so just coinflip

[foggy token]

found one

[dull hollow]

so pretty low

[ivory vine]

but it has a lot of useless small pellets

those gotta count for something

[dull hollow]

tbh if u place her botside the torps from essex can cheese u a kill

with that barrage

tho i kinda prefer barragers topside

since if the opposing laner is dead ur barrager is kinda useless

[foggy token]

that took 3 min to load

.>

[dull hollow]

image roleplaying CN internet

[foggy token]

i am in china tho

lol

[dull hollow]

[ivory vine]

that's pretty much as bad as the random shit i use

[dull hollow]

my fav are the

[ivory vine]

send purins so i can fix this meme

[dull hollow]

tirpitz + nagato

comps

idk why i see that

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

comparitively much

[ivory vine]

3000 iq tactics

[foggy token]

with 50% being comps like that, the other 30% are fetish fleets

[dull hollow]

i just hate nagaka stacking cuz it usually means torp stacking

rly embarssing when I lose to aya and poi cuz i rolled bad opening torps

[foggy token]

[dull hollow]

losing to poi in 2019

[hot creek]

fetish fleet?

[dull hollow]

all tans

all lolis

feet

huge tits

[hot creek]

are you seeing concords and ajax?

[dull hollow]

etc

[foggy token]

all same color hair fleets

[dull hollow]

i used to have an

all nep + PR for missing slots

defense fleet

[foggy token]

i found a pretty good hms comp the other day. recorded a few then i looked at that frontline cp. looks pretty low to have bis

[dull hollow]

whoops

refreshed away my pvp comp

when i meant to hceck my comp

rip + bonus points

not that i care

ranking so pointless

13.4 looks about right

if they're going with bulges

[foggy token]

unless he has 2 purple aux for all their frontline ships.

[dull hollow]

i run quite a few purples

not like yukikaze wants to take anything besides toolboxes anyway

maybe a boiler for the meme

[foggy token]

i need to go back and look at their speed

i run triple boilers feontline

[dull hollow]

i never bought into the boiler meme

you run over magtorps like a madman

i always build comps to be just the right speed so that they glitch out mag torp AI

and cause them to swerve away safely

[foggy token]

speed memes are great. 48 speed frontline

[dull hollow]

i guess the tardeoff is that u take less shelling damage

i think I have 2 +10 boilers

[odd schooner]

[dull hollow]

maybe ill throw a 3rd on

what the fuck am i looking at

[ivory vine]

[dull hollow]

[odd schooner]

God cards?

[dull hollow]

every comp in this reset is stupid

thanks i hate it

[odd schooner]

Yellow red blue comps

[foggy token]

looks like enemy got 6 essex

[dull hollow]

actually if that

essex comp were 120

i'd be very interested in fighting it

because centaur + monarch

is gross

[foggy token]

every ship in the game is essex

[dull hollow]

the virus is spreading

[ivory vine]

[foggy token]

prove me wrong

[dull hollow]

[ivory vine]

but jean bart isnt every ship in the game

[dull hollow]

if every ship in the game were essex i'd be pretty happy

[ivory vine]

same

[foggy token]

are u sure? its gonna be mirror match fiesta

[dull hollow]

15% permanet statboost

or would it be 25

u know the thing that bothers me the most about that image u posted

is the reversed

CV icon

idk why

it looks so fucking alien to me

[ivory vine]

[foggy token]

whats that anime

about girls riding dragon planes

misato to hisone something

[dull hollow]

wtf is this cover art

looks liek a 2005 kid show

[lunar veldt]

has anyone fought against the new bunny/dragon kais?

[dull hollow]

nope

wish i could tho

[lunar veldt]

yeah same

[dull hollow]

ded game + bad players = never get to fight fun comps

[lunar veldt]

i head hiryu kai have been causing resets

[dull hollow]

sounds about right

[lunar veldt]

i missed 3 pvp cycles , fleets at 3k are either memes or garabage

get me outtt

[dull hollow]

they dont get better at 300 either

[lunar veldt]

well atleast u can see some esports ready teams

[coral wren]

there are no proper defense fleets in washington

I want to see if junea is better than ayaya

[finite valve]

off = use ayaya def = use jesus

[coral wren]

dosnt work like that. I use my pvp fleet menu to swap on gears when I do my 5x

[finite valve]

imo i prefer ayaya on off

jesus is only good if she can survive the first air strike

if your jesus can do that then use her

if not use ayaya

[coral wren]

survive first air strike ? my vanguard dosnt even die

thats how bad pvp is in washington

[finite valve]

then use jesus then

[coral wren]

vs a 13k wasd my jesus actually died after my kaga

but sadly she cant ress backline

[ivory vine]

shouldnt she survive first air strike anyway cuz she has pretty high aa

[coral wren]

dunno I feel she makes up for the lack of AA on amagi

[finite valve]

that my grind with jesus

either she die too fast

or die too late

no in between

hard to use her if she 1) heal before back line take damage or 2) backline die before she can heal

[coral wren]

ikr annoying shit xd

[odd schooner]

Jesus op

[lunar veldt]

jesus pvp mvp when?

[topaz beacon]

wasd amagi in offense? how consistent is that @odd schooner

[odd schooner]

was testing stuff

To see if my disposables actually die

They die so it's good

@topaz beacon too thicc to die

[topaz beacon]

lmfao

have u faced mirror yet

[odd schooner]

I don't think there's enough wasd amagi ppl yet

[hot creek]

HMS Amagi

kick out the Queen, there's a new Queen in town

damn I just reailzed I don't even have three leveled IJN frontliners.

I only have Jintsuu and Ayanami.

[hot creek]

https://puu.sh/Cxs7V/f54cc042b5.png defense book oversaturation 🤔

perhaps its finally time to max out wasd, even though I have no interest playing wasd

[velvet fossil]

On my last red book, amagi nom’d them all up

[modern tree]

@real notch for backline its bis, 2 sg wash, sg beaver sd, sg and gold fcr on amagi, all bofors, all 127mm, 410s and one 406 on sd cuz shot staggering and playing for focused assaults. My vanguard has 2 boilers on Juneau, boiler torp bulge on Jintsuu and pear torp on aya, only flexing slot is 100mm on aya cuz I really hate blue telescope for pve and I am using her

How did you backlog so many books? Is this what 2 academy slots life looks like?

[hot creek]

Nah, I've three slots. It's just that I'm rather conservative with books.

As in, if there's no need to rush skills I'll use the T2 books.

I recently only rushed Jintsuu and Aurora. Doing the same with Amagi rn.

most other skills aren't a priority so ill only ever use the T3's overnight.

idk how Defense books crept up so hard though

i think its because the daily has been giving me them and only them

I dont really have any defense skills to level right now either. Well, I have wasd and hiryuu but I'm currectly leveling other stuff

[modern tree]

Purple books always feel so bad to me since the process takes forever anyways and then I am willingly slowing it down by 25%

[real notch]

ok thx 🙏

[lament lichen]

well shit i was testing against gurren lagann's team then i acciddentally killed him

[hot creek]

rip

[lament lichen]

I wanted more tests

But all I can say is FW/amagi isnt as tough as it is

Don't know what skills he maxed on amagi

[modern tree]

What are you running

[lament lichen]

Amagi/Akaga + juneua/jintsuu/belfast

I removed aurora as I didnt want to kill the front line fast

15 matches

15 wins

[modern tree]

Removing Aurora from foxes so you don't kill the frontline sounds so bizarre

And it could be argued that altering your fleet just to beat your opponent easier is not scientific, especially if you make a change like this that would probably make you lose more often in other matchups

Unless Amagi is strong enough to push foxes without Aurora

[lament lichen]

i mean last time i used aurora was about 2 weeks ago. Just wanted to use jintsuu

may also mean that he isnt using bis as well

[dull hollow]

Akaga can be played tank front style

But doesn't have tanks

So

Against fw particularly amagi if you don't kill their front it works to your advantage

Also if he's not running 4ijn then amagi damage potential super nerfed

But 4 ijn means no juneau

I don't think fw amagi is very good at all esp since i confirmed anagi functions well in a front vs front atk side

[real notch]

isn't gurren's fleet identical to yours?

amakaga

[lament lichen]

he uses FW + amagi

[real notch]

ahh ok

what's your fleet power?

[lament lichen]

12.5 and 12.1

[dull hollow]

Amagi, amusingly similarly to akaga in a way due to ryusei mechanics, is another ship that soft favors the attacker

[lament lichen]

he is at 13.4 and 13.2?

13467 and 13360 for gurren's

[dull hollow]

Meaning amagi vs amagi discounting the 20 advantage the enemy amagi is always at a disadvantage

Idk why they made positioning uneven in pvp

It causes weird shit to happen

[modern tree]

I find it moderately hard to believe that fw Amagi would have a matchup so bad on defense that it would lose to 12.5 foxes 100% of the time over 15 games. Just sodak and wash rng at 13.4 can probably steal the game. One focused assault shell lands on fox that's being killed by wash barrage and poof

But maybe I am totally wrong

[dull hollow]

Fw sucks in front vs front and amagi isn't a super dps carry like enty

If he aimed to not kill the front then it's possible

Fw locks anagi out of her fcr or lose junny

Losing extra round of shelling or lose 25% hp

Not really a good choice to be facing

[modern tree]

I am also totally putting 2 cas in front of my fw amagi, you kill my front or eat their damage

At some point

[dull hollow]

Ca is never used for damage

And it's awful for en

No evasion

Ca used for tank

But no stats at100

[modern tree]

Chicago Wichita, it's suicide vg anyway

[dull hollow]

Torps are better but if your goal is to die then it's okay i guess

But not having amagi fcr is still a massive disadvantage

[modern tree]

Maybe tacos then, hmm

[pastel forge]

I'm trying fw amagi + 3 ijns, it does well on offense but It's probably not so good on def (as in enty is better)

[lament lichen]

honestly fw amagi is a good team

just with a limited option for amagi

[pastel forge]

still trying to find the best combo for guns + auxs on the 3 bbs

[dull hollow]

Losing junny in a suicide style comp is kinda yikes tho

Ok time to sleep

[pastel forge]

it does ends fight faster than my old comp with enty + junny. possibly with overall lower win rate but too early to say

[high flume]

Hardstuck Vice-Admiral needs help! idk why I keep winning my match, but somehow I peaked around rank 180-220. Any idea?

[lament lichen]

sandbag

[azure aurora]

Must be from avrora

[real notch]

@high flume sandbag harder

I'm at like 285 cubes now and no amagi

Ready to quit the game

[odd schooner]

[real notch]

I wonder if i should keep doing dailies or just spam it all at once

[foggy token]

spam it last day of event

[odd schooner]

Yes

Lmao

[gritty cove]

[odd schooner]

The ap should be spread

But ours is like

E = = with AP in front

Should look like this

[icy cliff]

is that a nerf?

oh ok ty

[odd schooner]

We got it now

Should be

[glossy jay]

ayy got #1 for the first time

but its also a bad time to get it because no bonus

[odd schooner]

Okay the hype officially ended tonight

And oh boi this technically kills off triple BB fleet if ppl actually look at the bright side

[native mantle]

hmm when i look at the pics correct. then amagis barrage wasn't spread out and after the fix it will spread like hoods barrage?

[odd schooner]

No

It's mostly ap bullets spread

And does nonexistent dmg to back

It softens vanguard tho

Well technically the non ap rounds reaches backline

And hits everyone

[native mantle]

so it basicly should hit the vanguard and then travel through them and hit the main fleet?

sry if i don't udnerstand it well

[odd schooner]

Yes

Actual Damage done by Amagi Barrage

[native mantle]

and atm the barrage stops at vanguard?

[odd schooner]

At ap stops at vanguard

The non ap would still hit backline

[wise summit]

Can someone smart briefly summarise the amagi barrage pattern change in terms of effectiveness difference before/after

I haven't seen it in either case

[modern tree]

Before the ap didn't do anything cuz it fell at about half screen and barely ever touched front even as flagship. Then it sent bunch of normal projectiles straight forward that dealt a brunch of damage to anything in their way kinda like main part of nagato barrage and also shot a targeted volley of bb shots that went to the back rather often and deals pretty heavy damage. I can't test after change cuz work

[supple stratus]

Which Kaga is now used in Amagi, Akagi fleets?

[odd schooner]

Still the CV

[supple stratus]

Souka.

Back to the mines i go ⛏

[lunar veldt]

Just like izumo's barrage amagi's barrage will get Chuck by shields

But nowadays, who in the right mind will still used shield skills in pvp

[native mantle]

i sometimes have a lusty or eugen as opponennt

[odd schooner]

R-roon

[native mantle]

who cares for that psycho?^^

[odd schooner]

[lone pendant]

eld + lusty

lul

[ionic magnet]

any opinions on amagi? is she still t0 as what im seeing in guides? tbh i cant really agree cos shes so squishy

[odd schooner]

Is she?

[pastel forge]

overall t0 yea, pvp t0? who knows

[ionic magnet]

im talking strictly pvp

6.5k HP compared to hood who has 7.8k

she literally dies to first wave most of the time

putting her on middle is out of the question since most peeps put their main dps there too

bb fire and planes

shes just squishy in general

yes she has 2x radars

only saving grace is i havent upped her blue and yellow skills yet

hmm i really hope thats the case

[pastel forge]

you can't really expect her to be as tanky as wasd, her main advantage is the insane overall support to fleet

[ionic magnet]

yea i was just surprised cos she was rated as t0

i checked her HP and she has the same HP as QE

which tells a lot

i wont go that far lol

[hybrid tendon]

well

bb kaga is shelved until bc akagi

I guess

[lunar veldt]

Bkagi

[hybrid tendon]

bakagi

[lone pendant]

[topaz beacon]

but kaga bb didnt get any sis boost skill

unless... retrofit

[edgy sparrow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/514333481061449729/535102432485572608/Screenshot_2019-01-16-22-22-11-03.png

which one should i replace?

[lime rivet]

1. Heavy cruisers like Takao are currently very bad in pvp because they have bad evasion. Which means they take a lot of damage and die very, very quickly.

2. Prince of Wales gets buffed by USS ships. However, there is only one USS ship in that lineup and so she doesn't get buffed. In any case, even with 5 other USS ships buffing her, she's not that good to be run in pvp.

3. Fleet synergy is absent. There's a lot of individually powerful ships, but no interlocking support to help the ships perform better in a match against another player's fleet. Ayakai has nice torpedoes, but there aren't any torpedo buffs in that fleet except her own. Belfast is fine as a solo unit, sure. Hood can help Enty's reload, and Enty can Lucky E, but the team lacks defensive options beyond Belfast's smoke

[coral wren]

@lime rivet
Could you please rate my fleet too?

[lunar veldt]

That fortune says it all

[coral wren]

[lime rivet]

@coral wren why laffey?

[coral wren]

Because i‘m only lvl 60

[lunar veldt]

[lime rivet]

That doesn't answer my question

[coral wren]

Because i‘m lvl 60 which means i‘m too low to get any other ships to replace her

[lunar veldt]

I'm lvl 58 and my fleet is way better than that

[coral wren]

Show me your fleet and i will beat it

[lunar veldt]

What does lvl have to do with pvp Fleet?

U can easily farm other ships

like Helene

Helena *

Junean*

[coral wren]

I have them all

[lime rivet]

Helena/Juneau straight outta light build. And better than running laffey

[lunar veldt]

Than why are u saying level

[lime rivet]

Enterprise/Helena straight up deletes enemy pvp fleets

[lunar veldt]

U dont need jinstuu there are other alternatives

Ayanami is not even level capped

[coral wren]

So i‘ll do Belfast & Juneau & Helena fleet then

[lime rivet]

Yep

[coral wren]

@lime rivet But Akagi + Kaga + Enty is fine?

[lime rivet]

Its okay.

[hybrid tendon]

fubuki worth using?

🤔

[native mantle]

I'm just glad when my amagi is max level, then i just need to level a IJN vanguard....like aya, cause i can't farm jintsuu

[modern tree]

Fubuki is a destroyer with mostly a defensive buff that applies to other destroyers, making your lineup rather low on hp

[native mantle]

poi and aya besides jintsuu are the only viable IJN vanguards right?

[coral wren]

Is poi ayaya + jintsuu a good torp vanguard? XD

Missing out on Auroras debuff however

[modern tree]

I think that most of the ijn destroyers can be considered viable because of their high torp stats and how effective it is to just suicide your front with torps. That said, even Aya is alright at most and the only really good ijn boat we have is Jintsuu

[native mantle]

hmm yeah but aya would be the only possible to "farm" cause i can't farm 10-4....not elvel 70 yet

[coral wren]

@hybrid tendon ofc she is :3

[modern tree]

I have not tried poi myself because Vampire is the only only overpriced DD for me

Have we determined if fixed barrage is better than bugged one yet?

Cuz bugged one felt rather strong

[finite valve]

bugged barrage = focus in a single line / ship = more concentrate damage

fixed barrage = more spread out damage between the whole screen

so in the case of pvp i would say bugged was better

to deal with the back line anyway

[coral wren]

Is amagi better off with 406 in pvp?

[modern tree]

Most important thing is shape of the arrows tbh, cuz bb volley is unlikely to have changed and if AP bullets do something, then its already a buff

[finite valve]

if you can delete 1 ship with her barrage with the -45% cd on first salvo then maybe

410 still better tho

[coral wren]

I use foxes xD and I try to delete enemy enty at start. But usually only gets her to 20-30% before it accidnetly deletes jesus in the vanguard and heals hwr bakc up

[modern tree]

You will never delete things with one barrage without getting hilariously lucky on your mgm shots

[finite valve]

go farm d3

drop ton of dem 410

oh so no plate

rip

[coral wren]

Elites in d3 drops tons of them

Makes me wanna reset to just farm them

[modern tree]

I have been farming c2 for efficient points and plates drop like crazy

[finite valve]

c3 best is to reset farm

[modern tree]

C3 is one more fight, I don't like that

[finite valve]

2 boss drop

farming d3 until i got 4 copies of baga

then i move to c3 for reset farm

[modern tree]

I want event points tho

[finite valve]

same

depend on whether i get 100k first or 4 baga first

c3 is best to reset farm if you don't want any more point

skip 2 fight

lel

[modern tree]

I am not sure if Baga is worth all this oil, but I am saying it from a perspective of someone with 12 purins

[finite valve]

well you can farm bofor in 11-3

so not really a problem either way

c3 is just more efficient farming then 11-3

[modern tree]

C3 has so many boss drops

[finite valve]

2 if you skip boss

consider that you need 2 more fight to do the boss

just reset lel

well like i said go farm c3 after you got your point goal

also HQ lvl is not really a must after 80 anyway

ah the 90 comms

[gritty cove]

How does the Amagi evasion actually work? Is it just flat 10%

I c

[real notch]

level 90 commissions are great
OMEGALUL

[spiral hull]

sirreq

what do u use in pvp these

days

im using amagi akaga but is there any hiryuu memes anyone's trying out

[finite valve]

hiryuu need kai to be good

[spiral hull]

i've been detached from pvp too long, someone pls enlighten me

[finite valve]

and also meta in avrora are just wasd

front is just whatever

[spiral hull]

huh rly

interesting

amagi akaga are absolutely roasting sandy

as in, mine

[finite valve]

doubt amagi akaga can rekt a good wasd

[spiral hull]

i had one 18 second fight against a cleve aya belfast enty akaga team

while the team wasn't optimal, them wiping in 18s was quite hilarious

[finite valve]

even more so if they have a max NC

[spiral hull]

i've met a lot of 12.5+ wasden

all die within 40-45s to amagi akaga

[real notch]

zuyi

[spiral hull]

no NCs seen yet

hi sirreq

its like im the only one with a maxed NC in sandy

[finite valve]

replace NC with enty and you going to win pretty sure

[modern tree]

considering Enterprise with foxes was probably the fastest and most efficent lineup on EN, slapping something as brokeback as Amagi on that will probably have a pretty good result against pretty much anyone that isnt optimising their shit

[real notch]

hope modteam is being good 2 u

[spiral hull]

its fun

not always but mostly

[real notch]

as for my fleet these days, i'm running something i'm pretty confident in

[spiral hull]

whats that

ah

[real notch]

behold

3CV

[finite valve]

amagi job is just mostly to rekt front line

[spiral hull]

have you considered aya instead of belbel

[real notch]

it's patented 90%+ winrate against maxed wasd and amakaga

[spiral hull]

well there's no truly maxed amakaga yet

[real notch]

i still need someone to test against me to be sure but i think it's T0

[spiral hull]

i been farming 10-4 hard, no jintsuu

sigh

[finite valve]

iam pretty sure i won against that def in 1 tries lel

[real notch]

lol was it maxed though

[finite valve]

your enty failed to proc that time

[empty sinew]

3CV issa joke

[real notch]

oh u fought me?

[finite valve]

i just fought you like yesterday or the day before yesterday lol

[modern tree]

you'd think they are but our results with it beg to differ

[finite valve]

so yeh

[real notch]

what was your fleet?

and fleetpower?

[finite valve]

wasden jintsuu ayaya eldidge 12620 12943

i won cus my eldridge proc and your enty did not proc

1 try also lol

[real notch]

god damn it why u not tell me earlier

[spiral hull]

faulty enty

[real notch]

this is important data

[spiral hull]

trash

[finite valve]

[real notch]

what about opening torps?

for yours/mine

[finite valve]

funny enough the torp hit the back line

not much damage tbh

kaga lose around 25% hp

[real notch]

well yea, CV is medium armor lol

[finite valve]

mine hit the front

my jintsuu lost 25%

around 5 10% for the other 2

[real notch]

how many torps landed?

that sounds like 1 torp hit

and 1 crit out of 3

[gritty cove]

I just run hood instead of enty because my hate for enty

[finite valve]

dk for sure but i think it is around 4 torp hit in total

[real notch]

hmm

need more info

[finite valve]

no crt on your torp into mine tho

same as mine

[real notch]

what about after fox strike?

[finite valve]

just the usual 2k damage

[real notch]

did your VG die?

[finite valve]

front goes to around 50% on all of them

not really help that you miss all your torp

planes torp

[real notch]

🤔

for a fleet that has no belfast

sounds like a hella lucky fact that nobody died

especially eldridge or ayanami

[finite valve]

[real notch]

your ayanami has rainbow dildo right?

[finite valve]

yeh

[real notch]

yeah lmao that's like a 2.2k HP DD

debuffed by aurora

[finite valve]

i am just surprise as you are lol

when you post your fleet

i surprise that i won against you 1 try

like wtf lol

[spiral hull]

based rng

[finite valve]

enty did not proc while my eldridge proc

gg

[real notch]

yeah but

even in my tests i figured

if eldridge somehow survives opening torps and foxstrike

AND procs

then i mostly lose the VG fight

so that was expected

[finite valve]

my memories are unclear on the VG fight

[real notch]

was your washington adjacent to my ent?

[finite valve]

but i think your aurora die before air strike

before enty

not foxes

[real notch]

wtf

how

[finite valve]

like i said

unclear

[spiral hull]

btw why jintsuu in the middle

[real notch]

only thing i can imagine is she was sitting in front of wash barrage AND got hit by a salvo

[finite valve]

yeh i also think that the case

cus no way in hell ayaya can survive air strike + aurora debuff

[real notch]

cus my aurora has badge

[finite valve]

RNG just favor me that time

[real notch]

so she should be pretty tanky

[finite valve]

[real notch]

uhh zuyi i put her there because she's the most valuable ship

in terms of DPS and active skills

[finite valve]

everybody know that lol

[spiral hull]

wouldnt she have decent survival even in off-tank slot

[real notch]

yeah, possibly but that would mean i am trying to preserve aurora

which is something i considered but

[finite valve]

going to try and record more data if i ever fight you again

seeing that you like data and number lol

[real notch]

if enemy VG is dead after opening torps + foxstrike (in my hypothesis)

aurora is useless anyways

her debuff isn't effective in breaking backline

i'd rather have a full (or near) HP jintsuu that can fire 2nd torps

onto backline

yeah

i wish you did some more tests

then i could put it into this document 🎉

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit

[finite valve]

asking a person who don't care about pvp to "wish record more test" lel

will do now

[gritty cove]

Close range mag torps are actually really good against the backline

[real notch]

ok phantom so

the reason why i did 3CV is because i did this test like 4 weeks ago

my maxed wasde (13.2/12.6) against unoptimal 3CV (13.3/11.1)

they had like juneau and shit lol not even desron

and i did like 6 tests

i lost 4 of them

which was insane

i had winrates of like 90-100% against every other fleet in EN (wasd, HMS, hakaga)

but somehow this 3CV wrecked my face

so i decided to explore 3CV a bit

[modern tree]

DESTRUCTION SQUADRON

its just Jintsuu torps

if nothing else, 3cv win games really fast

but Amagi might just be better

[real notch]

it's destroyer squadron

but destruction squadron sounds hella cool

[modern tree]

[zenith tundra]

actual amagi barrage is insane... as flagship she hits all enemies mainfleet ships

[finite valve]

suicide squad sound more like it lel

[real notch]

amagi when

i'm at 290 cubes

[spiral hull]

what

you dont have amagi?

[real notch]

no

i fukin don't

i'm highkey ready to quit the goddamn game

[finite valve]

do it then post video on youtube

[real notch]

how do i get like 9 nakas 2 ashigaras 1 kaga BB

7 other non-event SSRs

and no fucking amagi

[finite valve]

ask the man that question

he knows

[real notch]

who's the man

i'm boutta 説教してやる

[finite valve]

jesus the man

[spiral hull]

oh hey no amagi

thats what you get for getting aurora before me

sucker

[finite valve]

lol

the roast

[real notch]

BUT I SPENT LIKE 200 CUBES FOR AURORA TOO

[spiral hull]

amagi is quite fun

cant wait for maxed skill

[gritty cove]

Oof, I've had quite the good luck with pulls

[spiral hull]

should be maxed in a little over 8 hrs

[real notch]

ya u fukers need to stop talking about her amazing barrage

or i'm gonna commit sudoku

[spiral hull]

my amagi skills are at 4/4/9

and barrage is 1250 xp from max

[modern tree]

THE BARRAGE GOT FIXED AND ITS NOW AMAAAAAZING

[real notch]

....

[finite valve]

bugged barrage was better to snip ship anyway

fixed barrage is better as a screen clear

for pvp bugged was better

[real notch]

i'm gonna write an angry letter to everyone who talks about amagi's amazing barrage

to express my anger

[finite valve]

amagi barrage is shit beyond belief

even warshit is better

feel better yet?

[real notch]

warspite has a barrage?

[finite valve]

who know

but then being compare to war shit is in itself an insult already lol

[real notch]

[zenith tundra]

for non flagship amagi old barrage was worse tbh

[modern tree]

you guys are drunk

[odd schooner]

The non ap rounds are still 700 each

[modern tree]

new barrage hits almost all of the projectiles on the ship you aim it at, old one hit only half of them

1/4 I just got a barrage that hit nothing

what

thats weird

how the hell is this coded

[zenith tundra]

i was unsure when i 1st saw it but fixed barrage is so much better. not only it can still be focuse on the middle but also wide spread on enemies main fleet

also better at clearing the screen then old one

[modern tree]

the whole barrage seems to be aimed, which makes it whiff rarely when its on the flank

like

[odd schooner]

It's hitting every main fleet ships so long it passes through

[modern tree]

all the projectiles from the arrows just missed

[odd schooner]

Enty didn't get hit cause it got intercepted by vanguard

[modern tree]

I am so confused by this thing

but I guess it doesnt matter as flagship

its just gonna be weird on flanks

[zenith tundra]

3rd time i see this opponent wtf

[modern tree]

Donald Trump not playing USS

[zenith tundra]

3 wins 3 loses (resets) with lvl 50 aurora

[prisma gale]

should i replace my hood with amagi if I pull her

laffey will be replaced w ayanami once i get javelin to lvl70

and ayanami will move to slot 1

[zenith tundra]

amagi is better than hood. ayanami should never be 1st to open unless u want her to insta die. use belfast with anti-torpedo buldge as 1st, aya middle and eldridge 3rd. jintsuu also works wonders with aya if u have her

this is what i'll use (once my aurora hits level 100)

torp boost + amagi 12 sec barrage + 14sec akaga airstrike....

[real notch]

twinfox airstrike is also 12sec

like 12.3-12.5sec

[zenith tundra]

i wasn't sure about the timing

@balmy torrent i wasted 5.2k gems on aurora yesterday

[real notch]

holy moly

5.2k gems is like

$60 bucks

[zenith tundra]

i would go with daily builds maybe even 3xlight for points

[coral wren]

Is this kinda halfassed dmg wise? Is jesus crippling the dmg output

[real notch]

looks like a good defense fleet

don't put juneau bot

[zenith tundra]

switch akaga with wasd

and u are unkillable

[coral wren]

The thing is if she is mid. She fking survives longer than my backlines

[zenith tundra]

i saw some juneau dying with nothing left to heal

[real notch]

depends on your enemy fleet

but if they run desron

your juneau willl more likely overheal

[zenith tundra]

what formation is desron?

[coral wren]

Tf is desron lul

[real notch]

torp centric ships

destroyer squadron = desron

[zenith tundra]

oh ok

[real notch]

characterized by torpedo DDs with a flagship DD/CL torp boat

[coral wren]

Tirptz Baga Amagi

[real notch]

meta is very slow on the transitioning into jintsuu and aurora

but they're more common now

[ivory vine]

that's cuz people have to get jintsuu and aurora

[zenith tundra]

aurora is really hard to get and jintsuu costly

[real notch]

dw i am well aware

[coral wren]

Nothing is hard if u put ur wallet to it!

[real notch]

i used 204 cubes to get aurora so

[zenith tundra]

i think i saw more jintsuu then aurora tbh

[real notch]

no need to explain to me how hard she is to get

[ivory vine]

jintsuu seems easier to get than aurora

but that's prob cuz im a lucksack w/ story drops

[coral wren]

what aux should i run on jin if i have no rainbow torp?

[real notch]

HP aux

20% dmg reduction means effective 120% HP on auxs

[zenith tundra]

beaver+buldge/tool

i like that

i think she's the rariest elite in the game

[real notch]

but ye juneau works fine in bot slot if you're against belfast eldridge juneau

because no torp memes

but aurora debuff and jintsuu torp buff = dead juneau in bot slot

avoid that by putting juneau mid

you don't wanna take the chance taht the torps will magically miss

[zenith tundra]

it depends on what u rng u get... attacker formation can go up and def go down and completely miss

well in that case rip main fleet tbh

[real notch]

wait, 20% dr is hp x 1.25?

am i thonking out on math

[coral wren]

I love this amagi foxes + jintsu aya aurora comp.

Everything dies within 30 secs

[zenith tundra]

even better if u had 3xgold quad homing torp

[coral wren]

I have 1 rainbow and 2 gold quad homing

[real notch]

oh

i was doing 0.2/10 not 0.2/8

[zenith tundra]

i would agree like juneau fortune

let amagi and washy barrage stuff

amagi flagship is amazing at clearing vanguard

[coral wren]

amagis barrage is amazing compared to otjer barrages so far in EN

[real notch]

what an amazing ship yay

[coral wren]

Need nagato for Ijn barrage backline

Baga Amagi Naga

0 AA but who cares about AA if u can crash ur enemys phone with all the pixels

[ivory vine]

nanoda balanced ship

[zenith tundra]

i wish we got yukikaze in dyed in red but she would've been to broken

[ivory vine]

backline protection that comes with a heal

and 25% chance to not take dmg

[coral wren]

What is a easy and cheap way to raise aff on aurora

[real notch]

throw her in C3 and let survival of fittest

[coral wren]

pls no

[real notch]

just play rly good manual

[coral wren]

Playing manual

[odd schooner]

Manual

I go manual if i have free time

[zenith tundra]

i auto c1 with amagi sandy aurora and it's fine

[coral wren]

Disgusting pvp fleets that are 0 oathed

[real notch]

actually if you are interested in 200 affection

go to some event map like B3

u can MVP farm with like a 0LB BM

[coral wren]

Hmm to let aurroa get mvp. I provly need to put in akashi or vestsl

And then I have to raise jesus to 200 too

[odd schooner]

Or c3

She steals mvp from amagi

Because I'm using it rn

[coral wren]

What kind of amagi do u have lul

[zenith tundra]

my lvl 95 st.louis gets mvp over amagi in smaller fleets

[coral wren]

Well if amagi dosnr get to hit anything obviously lul

[odd schooner]

^

[sharp roost]

trying to climb pvp with non meta team

got up to top 250 then fell

[real notch]

u can do it

good luck

[coral wren]

stop bully triptitz give her a BB buddy to cuddle

[sharp roost]

she's too shy

otherwise i would put in amagi

[coral wren]

I put Amagi everywhere. I dont think I have liked any ship this much before

[real notch]

[coral wren]

she has so much buffs and her barrage is amazing too

[real notch]

[amazing barrage]

[coral wren]

gonna abuse the shit out of her

[real notch]

[sharp roost]

my amagi is at lvl 84 still dies, otherwise i'd put her in

[coral wren]

is her barrage not good? 😮

in pvp whoever is opposite of her is gonna die

[sharp roost]

lvl 8 barrage atm

[real notch]

285 cubes no amagi

[coral wren]

OH

[sharp roost]

its ok she'll come

[coral wren]

while I Mlb mine with dupes rip

[real notch]

[coral wren]

it will come Inazuma

[real notch]

fuk my life

[coral wren]

devote ur life to foxes and she will embrace u

BBaga tho is being a c*nt and wont come via build no matter how many cubes I put in

[real notch]

tfw i even got kaga bb but still no amagi

[coral wren]

[real notch]

idec about kaga bb u can have her

[coral wren]

no ty. I am farming her on D3 xd

[odd schooner]

[coral wren]

whats taco

[odd schooner]

There's 2 types of 🌮

Taco and Furry Taco

[coral wren]

Whats Furry Taco

[odd schooner]

The mvp this event

[coral wren]

Nagato?

[odd schooner]

No

[coral wren]

Ashigara?

the 7 star CA

how is Furutaka a taco

wtf :C

[topaz beacon]

outta refreshes, if i met a top 3 guy couldve got my fastest gensui ever

[hot creek]

its not that time of season yet

need 2200 points minimum for gensui

[coral wren]

he got bambzolled by engrish

Next Rank:
Fleet Admiral

[topaz beacon]

well shit i shouldnt be playing at 8am

[odd schooner]

Bunbun you're high so early ah

[real notch]

kek

[sharp roost]

wow no. 4

[sour oasis]

Juneau is a monster.

Subbed out Takao for her and despite the 2000FP loss, am murdering foxes without even using martyr. (Totally subtle antiair mode)

"Juneau died for your sins" my foot; she's leading the crusaders against foxes.

Next cycle... Juneau might send me to the 1000-2000 ranking during day10

[finite valve]

sadly most if not all 1k+ in avrora are all wasd

so your jesus not going to help you much with her AA lel

[sour oasis]

I can tear WaSD. It was foxes giving me fits this week.

So many 2k users used enty/fox team and I never build up my Sandy

[finite valve]

easiest way to deal with foxes is to use belfap

[sour oasis]

Not in my case. Whatever Bel's magic was, she would not give it to me

It was either "smoke and lose to vanguard" or "smoke and rng says it does nothing vs planes"

[elder crane]

What's your team?

[sour oasis]

Enty & Lexy-Hood or Wa-SD + Eld-Taco-Bel... Can punch through most fronts, but couldn't beat Fox/E-Bel/Juneau/Helena until I swapped Taco with Juneau

[pearl nimbus]

Who even needs Wasd tbh. Hood putting in a lot of work.

Although I do kinda just die to some fox setups, but oh well, I have RNG for that~

[high flume]

Yo, how do you sandbag in this game? I kept winning but always peaked rank 180-200

[pearl nimbus]

Play, a lot. Also play early. You can hit a nice rank if you play right at as your exercises reset.

[dull elm]

u wait until the other guys do their pvp

then attack the guy wiht at least 35 point difference

[sour oasis]

You don't sandbag. People can beat your score without having to beat you

[high flume]

@pearl nimbus already did that. I waited just before 12.00 PM and 6.00 PM. been almost 4 days stuck on the same rank

without even losing a single one

[pearl nimbus]

You have close to if not you have a 100% win rate atm, right?

[sour oasis]

[high flume]

not 100%, I lost 2 games previously coz I didn't pay attention. but that was it

[pearl nimbus]

fair

[dull elm]

if u really want sandbag then dont rush your pvp rounds

[pearl nimbus]

I suppose so, but then you don't really climb a lot of the time

you get sent back to ~1.5k

[high flume]

@dull elm so wait 2-3 hours after PvP refresh?

[dull elm]

what matters is where are you at end of season

[sour oasis]

If I was rank 201, I would tank until I was 300, win, and I'd jump past you onto rank 150

[dull elm]

nah u dont have to wait

but if you see that guy on left has suddenly climbed loads of ranks attack him

[sour oasis]

You really can't sandbag

[high flume]

@pearl nimbus @dull elm @sour oasis and whenever I waited for 1-2 hours after rank refresh, my rank usually dropped from 180-200 to around 1k.....the climbing system in this game is problematic tbh

[sour oasis]

It's just a weird marathon

It is. Totally.

[dull elm]

your rank doesnt matter

points matter

[pearl nimbus]

pre much

but rank matters for flex

[dull elm]

btw log in and out

[sour oasis]

Rank only matters for bonus pts

[dull elm]

thenyour opponents ranks refresh

[pearl nimbus]

If you really want to cheese climb hardcore play early on for that flex value.

[sour oasis]

Rank climbing is almost a full-time thing

[pearl nimbus]

ye

[dull elm]

Its a marathon yes

[high flume]

@dull elm oh yeah you brought me to another of my question. How can you farm a lot of points? I only losing 2 games for the whole season, but the point difference between me and rank 1 is like 80 points. How's that possible?

[sour oasis]

But.m I want to hit top 100 this year. For bonus points (admiral etx)

[high flume]

ikd I need those golden bulins

[dull elm]

for oone top rank guys dont lose signle game

[real notch]

@high flume fight people higher rank than u

[pearl nimbus]

You farm a lot of points by playing consistently and always going for the far left opponent

(the highest rank opponent)

[sour oasis]

@pearl nimbus Not true. It's about point differential

[dull elm]

early season pvp matters a lot too

[sour oasis]

I've had 2nd opponent be a higher rank.

[dull elm]

you can get even like + 5 and 6 extra points ez

[high flume]

so choosing either 1 of 4 opponents shouldn't matter right?

[sour oasis]

Buuuut. The game doesn't care about rank. It cares about point spread.

If i have 1000 pts and you have 950, besting me gets you a bonus

[hot creek]

lmao rushing your pvps at reset is literally the opposite of sandbagging and doing so will get you the least amount of points

[sour oasis]

Buuuut. Game will show me rank 1000 and you rank 1500.

[dull elm]

yep

[pearl nimbus]

But you get a higher rank, which initially gets you more points.

[dull elm]

people dont confuse ranks and rank points

[sour oasis]

If I had 1001 points and you had 999, beating me gives no bonus. Buuuut game will rank me at 200 and you at 250.

[lament lichen]

higher rank doesnt mean more points... its about how much points you have compared to the other

[dull elm]

rank points are the ones which metter for extra point

[sour oasis]

Because 50 people (more) will be tied at 1 point differential

Its... Stupid

[high flume]

So..basically, after rank refresh, wait for some time until 1 of 4 opponents provided finish his/her PvP quota? and then fight the one with highest rank? (Idk bout the points tho, the UI doesn't show my opp's points, it only shows their rank)

[sharp seal]

hi @lament lichen

[sour oasis]

That's the problem. UI only shows rank not points

[dull elm]

@high flume yeah

[sour oasis]

We have to guess points

[dull elm]

yep guess points is a thing

[high flume]

Is it possible to have more points than someone above your rank?

[hot creek]

if opponent is not in top 100, you have to guestimate based on ranks. It's not too difficult though. like, if opponent is r300 while im r1000, i'd attack

[finite valve]

@high flume no

[sour oasis]

Basically only fight someone waaay ahead of you in rank. And hope they have like +50 points so your bonus kicks in

[dull elm]

yeah

[high flume]

Ah I see....still unreliable climbing system tho =_=

[sour oasis]

You could be fighting someone 500 ranks above you early game and get no bonus cuz your points were nearly the same as 500 other people

Look at top 100 at endgame and see how close they are

[hot creek]

yeah that happens if its early season. i wouldn't attack someone using my previous example if it was early season

[dull elm]

for early pvp season id tend not to use 5 first rounds

[sour oasis]

Like 10 points separate 1 and 99

[dull elm]

yeah there like 200 people inside of 2 points rn

[high flume]

Man...I hope the UI update in the future will explains more about this lol..there's so much hidden information in this game

[sour oasis]

Rank climbing for anything but reward is a hugeb investment of strategy

[finite valve]

@high flume don't bet on it

[sour oasis]

@high flume almost every f2p is filled with "hidden info"

[finite valve]

the upgrade UI is only for look only

[dull elm]

@high flume read this about pvp https://azurlane.koumakan.jp/Exercise

[hot creek]

I would write a sandbagging guide....but the more people know how to sandbag the harder sandbagging becomes lmao

[sour oasis]

It keeps players guessing. Guessing players throw more money.

[dull elm]

it gives pretty much most info you need

[high flume]

@hot creek LMAO Tru

[dull elm]

@hot creek sandbaggin already feels pretty annoying

[sour oasis]

@hot creek but you can't really sandbag against top100. All fleets have a weakness.

[dull elm]

sanbaggin and fleet power have nothing in common

[finite valve]

avrora is basically the most competitive server already

[sour oasis]

Might as well tell everyone to use starters and LI all the time

@dull elm

[dull elm]

hold up

[hot creek]

you can still sandbag in top100, it doesn't make a difference

[dull elm]

just those 2 sentences at same line made me

[sour oasis]

What is sandbagging in top100 like?

[hot creek]

same as usual, doesn't matter as long as you have a good fleet and win matches in a timely matter

[dull elm]

@sour oasis waiting your opponents do to their pvp nope. Refresh wait nope. Again nope. Fock it rush your 5 rounds and

[hot creek]

i still do the bulk of my matches 10-15 minutes before each reset

[high flume]

@dull elm Well, bet nobody know about the "point bonus" system if you fought someone with much higher points than you before checking wiki/asking on discord. Before asking this question, I thought winning either 1 of 4 opponents provided would give you the same amount of points. I also thought that the win count was the only thing mattered. That's why I was confused when the point difference between me and rank 1 is really huge even though I only losing 2 games so far.

[sour oasis]

@hot creek specifically what is top100 sandbagging fleet like?

[ivory vine]

sandbagging isnt related to fleet

[sour oasis]

@dull elm ah. Sounds about right.

[ivory vine]

[hot creek]

sandbagging is just what time you do your pvp's. doesn't have to do with your fleet. just use any meta fleet and win

[dull elm]

yeah lego gets it

[sour oasis]

[ivory vine]

sandbagging is literally just waiting a bit so your 4 opponents will do their matches

[dull elm]

as i said sandbaggin and fleet different thing u dig?

[ivory vine]

well at least one of them does

and relogging so it updates

[dull elm]

simply put and accurate

[high flume]

BTW, you can only sandbag the first match after refresh right? the system will automatically matching you with similar rank (or points) after that

[sour oasis]

I get it now

[dull elm]

you can refresh your opponents for limited times @high flume

[ivory vine]

you can sandbag every round but you're not guaranteed to have ppl that havent done their matches already

[sour oasis]

Or keep waiting if you have time left

[ivory vine]

cuz most people just do them around reset

[dull elm]

yeah its hard to get +5 every time

[high flume]

@dull elm sorry I mean PvP quote reset (12 pm, 6 pm and 12 am)

[dull elm]

if even get +2 already thats smth

[sour oasis]

6h/6h/12h windows to work with

[hot creek]

I typically get two matches with bonus points every reset while sandbagging. One match if unlucky and three matches if lucky.

[dull elm]

personally i feel one of the PvP rounds just should go

2 refreshes per day thats it

[high flume]

yeah pretty unfair for someone living in east coast lol

[sour oasis]

2 cycles and 2 refreshes?

[high flume]

the match refreshes at early morning for them lol

[sour oasis]

Non-stackable refreshes?

[ivory vine]

but i dont wanna lose 5 games

i need my purins

[dull elm]

oh i meant like refresh when we get extra rounds

[sour oasis]

But when we get reset, we also get+1 refresh too?

[pearl nimbus]

I think it's 1-2 yeah

[dull elm]

yeah well maybe then people with actualy social life can get higher tanks too

[sour oasis]

I would rather have points based on rank differential. Or visible point differential.

[pearl nimbus]

So a visible MMR system (basically)?

[odd schooner]

For SEA it's 4am 10am 4pm

[sour oasis]

Ha ha. Yeah.

[high flume]

should've made it like Moba

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah I wouldn't be opposed to that.

[odd schooner]

And outside dst it's 3am 9am 3pm

[high flume]

If you win constantly then you deserve to climb

[pearl nimbus]

atm it seems like you just climb for getting there first lmao

that seems to be my experience with it

[ivory vine]

i missed like 10 matches

[sour oasis]

I just want more rewards. For flex players, there's always stuff like EX rank.

[ivory vine]

so my rank is perma fucked

[pearl nimbus]

Yeah, missing matches is rough

[ivory vine]

well for this cycle anyway

[high flume]

but if they implement MMR system, they should remove the "Reset" mechanic

[hot creek]

they should just have real time pvp with both players playing maunal. glowworm meta

[odd schooner]