I'll try Wa Hood next cycle then
#pvp
hollow fractal
art
lunar veldt
NOT skills
azure aurora
Or fighter plane
sour oasis
hollow fractal
make sure you're running 410s if that's wasd+e, using 410s rarely run into double e lategames
azure aurora
Yes sometimes aya torp cut 50% backrow hp
dull elm
yeah thats gg if it happens
azure aurora
And left Vanguard enemy intact
lunar veldt
u mean THATS RESET
dull elm
no its win
slow totem
Big if, but like Casino, it feels good if it happens.
Not good for long term stress tho
azure aurora
And juneau enemy survive
slow totem
dull elm
enemy backline ded is more important than vanguard ded
lunar veldt
ironic how junny survives when the rest of your frontline dies
azure aurora
slow totem
The more RNG you stack on top of your comp, the more additional stress stacked with each match.
dull elm
slow totem
✝ 
lunar veldt
stonk
azure aurora
lunar veldt
NOT TODAY
slow totem
I bet 100% that Flex Juneau will return to Commander’s office and murder his ass.
azure aurora
Either she ded first or still alive as sole survivor at the end
lunar veldt
slow totem
🇫 ⚰
civic nymph
U-47 soo cute :3
odd schooner
lunar veldt
pastel forge
lunar veldt
azure aurora
I swear qipao cv skin make her look like bb version
lunar veldt
Skill voices overlapping each other, which end with akagi's laughter, utter mess
Not complaining though the skill spam flooding the screen is kinda nice
azure aurora
Instead jintsuu im using Jesus
pastel forge
I was secretly hoping amagi would slap akagi before her laugh if used in same fleet, but alas
modern tree
need yatsen and ning, ping to cover the entire screen with text
azure aurora
Either jintsuu with aya or belfast with juneau, not creative pvp fleet
Mostly later
slow totem
Amagi and Kaga look disappointed at Akagi
lunar veldt
lunar veldt
Still no yat sen on EN 
slow totem
A literal keyboard warrior
lunar veldt
CNY event pls
slow totem
Soon since we have Qipaos coming up
azure aurora
i miss Ning ping bunny skin
slow totem
lunar veldt
azure aurora
Especially ping hai
modern tree
spring dresses might be propethcising the yatsen on EN, is what he means
lunar veldt
Oh
modern tree
slow totem
She is a bit of a troll
modern tree
just give me Dork so I can max it and then get upset that Amagi makes HMS too weak without Monarch and PR guns
its about time for winters crown
azure aurora
Neva
lunar veldt
At least give her a barrage like nagato
modern tree
they teased something on jp twitter
azure aurora
Idc at least raise her rarity
lunar veldt
It's either
azure aurora
Legendary warspite
lunar veldt
QE, Warsprtie, London, Edinburgh
modern tree
UR Warspite, pls
lunar veldt
Cuz the others are QE's servant
azure aurora
Bela dura despacito
modern tree
I am still kind of amazed how both Hood and QE manage to stay relevant in pvp despite the power creep we are experiencing, Amagi having 3 fucking skills and all of them broken in different way
azure aurora
But no mgm +1 HMS
lunar veldt
subtle whale
warpsite gets +1 mgm for future retro heh
odd schooner
I found current number 2 guy a good def to test on
Too good i had to actually pause to take pics
I had to force close on this match 
Also on this match, they sank both foxes before going down
I'll do a lot after dinner
sharp seal
modern tree
horryfying
crystal coral
Do you know any guides out there about fleet arrangements?
hybrid tendon
yes
modern tree
we have pandas guide that is a pretty good resource for what people are using to an effect in pvp I guess
modern tree
She probably is, Bucky is mostly a defensive buff
also Kagerou has like 500 torp stat base
Bucky has actually higher torp and efficency than Kagerou pre Kai, but chain torps
finite valve
overkill torp is only good if you manage to hit or nuke 1 front / back in the first volley
modern tree
overkill torps is really good if you have BBs in the back ready to take the game over once your frontline suicides in a nuclear blast
yeeep
finite valve
i run ayaya jintsuu and eldirge
modern tree
just blow the torps, die, bbs kill their front, you win the game because wasd amagi
finite valve
tfw you have 2 ayaya in 1 fleet
lol
sometime eldrige proc time with enemy CV strike
just gravy lol
full torp front is too meme for me tbh
either kill or be kill in first salvo
modern tree
It still shouldnt matter for wasd amagi
because both frontlines being dead means you win
torps being a meme is just a cherry on top
finite valve
still using enty for wasd
amagi don't have enough lvl in skill to do shit
and even then i still think that enty > amagi
if both front are death enty going to win 100% of the time if her skill proc
modern tree
the main draw of running Amagi instead is barrage that hits backliners pretty damn hard and she can push out like 2 of them before anyone else gets a chance to shoot. That is on top of trading blows favourably due to opponents offensive stats being lowered and 10% dodge rate flat on the backline. Proccing Enterprise on an empty field will win you the game, but also its slow and boring, and she might not even get a chance to do that
finite valve
that's a fair point but my enjoyment of this game is in pve and not pvp anyway
but if you like pvp i might see that using amagi is fun for you
modern tree
whats a point of taking a voice in discussion if you have no interest in it 
odd schooner
10 match test so far
On defense:
Deadrel: Wasd Hood Juneau Belfast Fortune
Fleet used: Akaga Amagi (lvl9 red slvl1 blue and yellow) Jintsuu Aurora Ayanami
Game 1 - Lose
Game 2 - Lose
Game 3 - Lose
Game 4 - Lose
Game 5 - Lose
Game 6 - Lose
Game 7 - Close but still lost
Game 8 - Win
Game 9 - Win
Game 10 - Lose
Enemy frontline gets shredded quickly but problem is when it gets to the backline, allied vanguard gets shreded by 3 BB/C while Allied Main fleet gets bombarded by 2 406mm purple and 1 410mm
Must be a good time to test akaga hood too
finite valve
so in that case enty > amagi is a better choice considering the discussion was about meme torp front
slow totem
If the Enemy has Enty too, I’d avoid using Enty for the sole reason of not dabbling in Red Dead Enteredemption 2.
finite valve
yes but the discussion was never about enty but rather amagi + torp front meme
odd schooner
Torp fleet without aurora eh 
finite valve
dk about you but aurora really does not pose a threat to my front
granted maybe they are un optimize
odd schooner
No i mean in offensive
slow totem
Aurora on defense is actually meh if you have vape ships (Cygnet, Leander, etc).
lunar veldt
we dont have enough burst damage to bust down WASD backine
odd schooner
I haven't tried the swap positioning of amagi to wash but i guess I'll try it after I'm done with hood test
She hits 2 backline with a portion of the barrage
Ye we need 11 more days
Or 12
lunar veldt
no one tried Bkaga with akagi and amagi?
odd schooner
For full potential
lunar veldt
cuz Bkaga triggers akagi's skill
slow totem
Even in JP, IriyaBaker confirme that WASD E/Essex/Amagi busts down NaKaGa, hard.
odd schooner
B kaga proc is too low
slow totem
The comp is made to cuck fox users.
lunar veldt
wait isnt essex skill rng?
odd schooner
No
lunar veldt
resets are generally not great
slow totem
WASD is the best cucker defense fleet cause the sole purpose of denying fast wins.
And why do people run foxes? For fast wins, and if you deny them those fast wins, you’ve already ‘won’ regardless of match results.
And with the arrival of Hiryuu Kai, the cuck just got cuckier.
odd schooner
If you made the offensive team go past 40s, you win
finite valve
before amagi was a think ain't nagaka was the go to comp for everything anyway?
lunar veldt
everyone knows nakaga gives fast wins on off
slow totem
Not really, with the arrival of WASD Essex/Hiryuu Kai, NaKaGa’s throne is challenged.
finite valve
challenged but not overthrown
lunar veldt
forgot bout her
slow totem
Overthrown. WASD Hiryuu Kai will not make you get those fast wins.
finite valve
that was after the bunnies kai
slow totem
No matter what, and if they force a reset, with Hiryuu Kai’s Enterprise-level power, even begter.
finite valve
i was talking about before bunnies kai and amagi
slow totem
If you win slow with NaKaGa, you’re already lost.
finite valve
i know that meta change after they got introduce
pastel forge
at least now I have a reason not to invest in akaga 
finite valve
i was talking about before amagi and bunnies
lunar veldt
not really a huge change
slow totem
WASD Essex was the ultimate fox cucker before bunnies.
slow totem
Well yeah, cause not everyone has tryhard defense fleet specifically made to counter Foxes.
lunar veldt
ive seen top players with china fleet
slow totem
Like me, my ‘defense’ fleet is Kimono fleet, idgaf lol.
lunar veldt
then again
odd schooner
We could ask aris if he's awake
lunar veldt
everyone can get top 10 if u time your pvp
odd schooner
He's CN
slow totem
As long as you don’t miss/lose too much matches
You’re guaranteed a Gensui
Ez peezy lemon squeezy
lunar veldt
just try to fight the left side
odd schooner
The only time it becomes important is that if you miss a few
finite valve
tbh after i got fleet admiral
odd schooner
slow totem
Always win the leftmost side.
slow totem
Yeah, if you miss 5 or more, gotta go very precise sniping at incredible hihg speed
finite valve
but it is nice to discuss about pvp meta lel
odd schooner
That's why you gotta have at least one trump card just in case bad things happen
lunar veldt
so we esports now?
slow totem
We Dota 2 Now
odd schooner
EN will never be
lunar veldt
are we esports yet?
finite valve
@slow totem most professional player are 1 trick pony lol
odd schooner
Heard other EN servers are having hard time going competitive
slow totem
@finite valve I beg to disagree for Dota 2 since I play and watch the pro scene.
finite valve
yeh dota is kindda diverse
slow totem
Most of the time, the championships are won by teams who can use unusual comps.
odd schooner
Cause def fleet is mostly hood enterprise lusty comp
slow totem
Since if you use meta comps, everyone and their mother knows how to counter said comp.
Can’t speak about LoL since I only read doujins and collect loods.
finite valve
i watch both but not really in depth
but yeh dota is too diverse for any specific comp
finite valve
cus ppl have no idea on how to deal with it
slow totem
Precisely!
finite valve
since dota is about the early and mid game
slow totem
#Bamboozled
finite valve
if you can out farm the enemy team you are already won
slow totem
That’s LoL
Dota has incredibly punishing anti-snowball mechanics
LoL, you snowball, you win.
finite valve
imo that's pretty much the case in dota
odd schooner
@lunar veldt does jp always have those big wall def fleets on top 100
slow totem
Snowballs exist in every MOBA, but Dota is quite punishing to snowball building. Which is good,
BIG DICC 15K DEFENSE FLEET
odd schooner
No more like the stall fleets
slow totem
LoL has nice character designs tho... far better than dota
odd schooner
Or PR fleets
finite valve
@slow totem spotted the anime weeb
odd schooner
No actually i think we can deal with pr fleets but idk
slow totem
shuddup weeeeeeb!!
finite valve
lunar veldt
@odd schooner depends on what server you are on
odd schooner
I see
lunar veldt
some servers just use their waifus
odd schooner
So it's like EN
lunar veldt
on the def
finite valve
amagi monarch and maybe enty?
slow totem
I show off skins, parading as a fashion designer.
lunar veldt
like wtf
subtle whale
what about the op
lunar veldt
ikr
subtle whale
ark royal destroyer build
lunar veldt
but mostly nakagas are on the top 10s
slow totem
And then lose against meme fleets, and then you question the meaning of existence
subtle whale
izumo looks really bad with her blue skill
finite valve
lol
lunar veldt
well pvp is like rock paper scissors
WASD counters Nakaga, while Nakaga counters hms, while HMS shreds WASD
finite valve
that is talking about doy + monarch i assume
odd schooner
Centaur Monarch i think
finite valve
cus hms atm in EN anyway are shit
lunar veldt
i use monarch/QE/Centaur
lime rivet
Reminder: WASDHiryuu, Juneau/Eldridge/Belfast
ultimate cuck fleet
or sub eldridge for like, fortkai or something
lunar veldt
wait wont eldrifge get burst down on the other servers?
finite valve
wonder what went into the devs mind giving a ship 15s of immunity?
odd schooner
Ye sadly
pastel forge
I will max hiryuu after im done with amagi, troll intensifies
finite valve
even enty got a 70% chance
finite valve
hiryuu is basically immortal for 15s
lime rivet
one of my most annoying games
was when my backline triggered hiryuu's immunity....before my frontline killed juneau
a pearled juneau
finite valve
sendai + aurora + jintsuu = dead eldridge lol
lunar veldt
yeah instead of eldridge
odd schooner
CA
lunar veldt
just run yuudachi or neptune
finite valve
lol
slow totem
Yuudachi: Eldridge, Fortune Kai, and Vestal FUSION
lunar veldt
if u really want a fat wall
lunar veldt
just use sanrui
odd schooner
She's the only ship tiered higher than starters i think
slow totem
They lookalike
odd schooner
On DD
slow totem
slow totem
See my emote there?
finite valve
and 1 is a tsn
slow totem
r/wooosh
finite valve
slow totem
subtle whale
yukikaze comes with mogami
finite valve
ykk is only t0 cus of her skill
subtle whale
finite valve
too overloaded
slow totem
Many ships are “only” T0 cause of their skills.
slow totem
subtle whale
i mean what unit isnt t0 cus of thier skills
finite valve
well being name the lucky ship does not help lol
pastel forge
also very high luck, makes her eva even more annoying
slow totem
She is the only ship of her class to survive until the end of the war. Make sense.
finite valve
@subtle whale ayaya being t0 due to her stat alone
slow totem
And Portland Kai I assume
finite valve
yep
lime rivet
oi
finite valve
i am only got 3
slow totem
slow totem
The Clock thingy
finite valve
look more like a mini rudder to me
you can't "farm" PR bp
due to it being too RNG
also you need quest for that
not to mention the pool is big af
bp from normal pool + event pool + PR pool
gl trying to "farm" them
you get them by doing specific PR quest which will reward gear gold bp on complete but like i said the pool is big af so pray to your god lol
slow totem
finite valve
that jew cat look more like a devil then a god to me
slow totem
close enough
subtle whale
rng bp farming
slow totem
semantics
subtle whale
sounds salty
slow totem
prisma vessel
Any thoughts with these skills? Is the HE damage and burn damage skill stack effective?
finite valve
those skill are ship specific skill not fleet wide
coral wren
what auxes to use on amagi? when using her with foxes ?
GOLD FCR + Beaver/SG cant decide
my vanguard is jintsuu ayaya and aurora and I dont think they want to use beaver
coral wren
Should i use
Amagi, Akagi, Kaga
or
Hood, Akagi, Kaga
??
please tell me what you think
I think Amagi, Akagi and Kaga
is this good
modern tree
Try it and tell us
lunar veldt
just try and see how far u can goi
coral wren
enty washy warspite 
lunar veldt
true test is the WASD comp at high 11k
coral wren
retard comp vs retard comp
lunar veldt
so just keep testing
coral wren
gonna refresh to find a wasd comp
lunar veldt
a good one*
coral wren
thats gonna be hard. ppl arent putting their real fleets untill its time for gensui
real notch
good wasd comps are 13k+
best twinfox combo so far is twinfox + enterprise
@coral wren probably swap hood for south dakota
coral wren
3 main gun proc barrages 
lunar veldt
enjoy filling up the screen with skills
real notch
that's not going to be very strong
real notch
xd
coral wren
my favorite comp so far is AMagi and foxes
@real notch why not
@balmy torrent do you think amagi + akagi + kaga would work better than hood + akagi + kaga?
coral wren
Have you even tested out?
amagi + akagi + kaga is sure better than hood + akagi + kaga
And also you prob haven‘t tested it out.
real notch
there's no need for testing
real notch
just look at the ships lol
amagi grants a 10%/9% firepower, torpedo, airstrike, fire dmg defensive buff and a +10% EVA
lunar veldt
hood and foxes are pretty outdated
hood itself is pretty outdated if u use her on anything besides HMS
coral wren
^
modern tree
HMS is dead
real notch
she fires 45% faster on first salvo with hood which is like something 9-13sec fire
hood just boosts reload
and has 1k more HP
the reload buff is almost neglible
there's no need to test whether amagi is better than hood in the context of foxes
amagi is objectively better than hood in every single matchup in that comp
lunar veldt
meta will still be WASD stall
real notch
yeah wasd is still more consistent
lunar veldt
like i have said many times we dont have the burst damage to bust down WASD
real notch
but, i feel like they might not be the strongest fleet
real notch
hold on lemme post some data
lunar veldt
huh
real notch
gotta hit sub rank 100 first to take the screenshots
modern tree
I read the post on bilibili, apparently teams that arent t0 have about 10% winrate against it at most
lunar veldt
she will change the meta a little
real notch
My current fleet
coral wren
so in results, you rather me to use hood with akagi+kaga
real notch
Test fleet
real notch
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BuOeLLjXKP-OGhXlN8V5yT7_19tgmvzHKwSU7y2O_KM/edit?usp=sharing
Equipoise (south dakota, enterprise, washington | jintsuu, ayanami, aurora) 13.2/13.0
current fleet (akagi, kaga, enterprise | belfast, jintsuu, aurora) 12.5/13.0
Foxes vs WASD
game 1 - win
Game 2 - win
Game 3 - win
Game 4 - win
Game 5 - win
Game 6 - win
Game 7 - win
Game 8 - loss
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - win
Game 11 - win
Game 12 - win
Game 13 - win
i had very consistent winrates against this wasd fleet
which leads me to think that twinfox + ent is better than wasd atm
he had aurora too
lunar veldt
did his enterprise proc?
coral wren
I use this fleet for pvp.
What should i replace maybe?
lunar veldt
not bad
real notch
@coral wren dump prinz and laffey
lunar veldt
nice winrates
pastel forge
his vanguard isnt optimal for wasd def right? as in it can be better
real notch
no his vanguard was sitting at optimal BiS maxed
mine is 13005 and BiS maxed (affection + gear)
lunar veldt
no juneau no party
pastel forge
composition I mean, he use aya no juneau
coral wren
Should i get ayanami + juneau + belfast instead of laffey + prinz + belfast?
lunar veldt
WASD excells with Juneau
coral wren
@real notch
real notch
no, ayanami is pretty valid
given my 13 tests there were a few times when ayanami did land torps
juneau is good too but usually just gets torped to death = overheal @pastel forge
coral wren
might you tell me a good vanguard fleet then?
coral wren
On your current fleet?
real notch
belfast, jintsuu, aurora
coral wren
oof i‘m only lvl.59 xD
modern tree
I think Jintsuu Aya Aurora is alright for wasd because you should be able to trade favourably when both vanguards are dead, so you either kill with torps or suicide and kill with Aux guns. It might not be "optimal" but its valid.
coral wren
I might get Aurora and retrofit jintsuu in future
pastel forge
I think for wasd e def, something like bel juneau jintsuu is the current optimal one
coral wren
I need a lvl.60 vanguard xD
sturdy zephyr
@lunar veldt
lunar veldt
coral wren
kk
lunar veldt
best way is to always nuke juneau first
to trigger the overheal
not sure about people who put her at mid or back though
native mantle
isn't she useless if she died to early?
lunar veldt
yes
coral wren
This nice?
lunar veldt
ive seen some people hiding juneau \
real notch
juneau is useless in top or bottom slot
coral wren
Is retrofit Ayanami or retrofit Jintsuu better?
lunar veldt
yeah
real notch
taking people sooo long to realize
yea, looks pretty good @coral wren
i would swap enterprise out of mid slot
and move belfast to bottom
pastel forge
ye most still put Juneau front
coral wren
kk
real notch
slap fortune in middle
lunar veldt
belfast at the back now thats rare
real notch
real notch
lmfao fortnute
coral wren
Damn i mispelled with fortnut
pastel forge
I just realized its lvl1 fortune
real notch
btw if anyone is in avrora someone plz fight me
i need more testing material
need to find out if i should use ryuusei on enterprise or banana
coral wren
Might you tell me if this is correct?
real notch
uhh
considering your current fleet, this is what i would use:
twin 127mm
quad magtorp
bofors
toolkit
toolkit/boiler
modern tree
I will be honest, with 2 DDs you are probably just going to get slain by first Aurora fleet you stumble on
real notch
what server are u in btw?
because even in avrora
aurora/jintsuu fleets are still so rare
damn lazy kids
real notch
oh
modern tree
watashiwa easy games
real notch
idk about sandy xd my guess is probably not many aurora/jintsuu fleets
daxam is right though, running too many DDs will make you weak to aurora
modern tree
Sandy is all Illustrous Hood, Enterprise meta, I wish I was joking
I fight like 3 fleets like this per reset
pastel forge
lunar veldt
where my washington server bois at?
modern tree
its either just sandbag fleets or someone fooled entire Sandy server
real notch
probably ayaya tbh
lunar veldt
might as well go all in with aya
modern tree
my current oponents are wash illu enty, hood illu enty, sandbag and wasde with poi and ayaya #Sandy
lunar veldt
cuz of nuke potential
real notch
ayaya is like a condom, you shoot your load and then she's useless
lunar veldt
well said
real notch
if you want ur 3 ships to survive you can use jintsuu 
coral wren
She survives quite ok unless I ma up against foxes
real notch
she has 20% dmg reduction
lunar veldt
so once she blows she goes
coral wren
i‘ll use jintsuu when i finally reach stage 10
real notch
they shoot out in order of cooldown 
coral wren
I‘m only lvl 60 oof
Hmm so even with prelewded torps at beginning they shoot in order from how long their cd is?
I am using rainbow torp on ayaya so she might shoot slower than the gold quads
lunar veldt
doesnt matter if the ships collide at the start
real notch
you should be using rainbow on ayanam itho
coral wren
Yea thats why I worry ayayas torps will shoot out later
Since rainbow is quint with longer reload
But she has 30 more reload stat than other 2
lunar veldt
who cares most frontlines will be dead after the first airstrike
if your first torp salvo lends
real notch
yea well 
coral wren
Usually kills one vanguard and dmges other 2 and then missed torps hits backline
lunar veldt
smol if
real notch
pretty much yea
modern tree
preloaded torps shoot in the order of the ships, tank shoots first, then mid, then rear
coral wren
Any idea who to use it on?
lunar veldt
and stack boilers
real notch
anyone with low EVA
coral wren
Amagi foxes. Jintsuu ayaya aurora
modern tree
you can easily test it by equiping any equipment skin on your middle ship
coral wren
Oh
real notch
just consider beaver badge is +35 EVA, the #1 EVA aux in thegame
the #2 best is +17 EVA
lunar veldt
its up to u
coral wren
I was using veaver on my amagi xd
coral wren
Lol xD
real notch
yea if i'm running BBs i put beaver on them
the EVA is a big help
that's what i do 
SG radar is definitely BiS
whoever has more SGs wins basically 
atm in CN/JP the meta is huge capital ship dmg due to nagato + foxes (at least pre-doggo)
that's why sodak traditionally has the badge
but that doesn't make much sense for me in EN
there's not enough damage to overkill sodak, and keeping washington alive is more key than sodak
so with that reasoning i put badge on washington
xd it's not that bad, just use enterprise
saves u SG s
i'm c3 too 
hot creek
C3 dropping bofors prints like crazy
I don't even need them
they're just extra at this point
lofty smelt
I'll take them. I haven't gotten any in 70 clears or so
real notch
Ye it is pretty satisfying
elder crane
Conversely, so frustrating when your BBs just ignore the backline, try to hit the vanguard, and miss every shot
hollow flame
Which gears are recommended to +10?
I have been stocking up on blueprints and havent used them for a long time
modern tree
It's probably best to level gear you are using
hollow flame
Im using random yellow gears i got
Dont think its advised to max them as they might not be the best gears for my ships
hollow flame
Aright thanks
modern tree
When it comes to pvp, best gear to have leveled is:
Twin 381mm Advanced (Core Data exchange), fastest gun with respectable damage and stat boost, welcome for any barrage boat
410mm Mounted Gun, jack of all trades, acceptable for barrages and damage
Triple 406mm MK6, hardest hitting
SG Radar, High Standard Fire Control Radar, Beaver Squad Tag, multiple SG radars to boost evasion are good
Auxiliary gun depends on the type, but take any of best CL or DD gun mentioned later```
```Carriers:
Any gold fighter with 500lb bomb works
SB2C Helldiver, unmatched damage
Barracuda, fastest and fattest torp bomber
Aichi B7A Ryusei, hardest hitting converging torp bomber
Aviation Oil Tank, Steam Catapult, Beaver Badge, (Oil Tank increases damage by a lot, do not underestimate it)```
```Light Cruisers:
Triple 155mm Mounted Gun, Quad 533mm Magnetic Torpedo, Repair Tools/Advanced Boiler, Torpedo Bulge, Take best DD gun as aux if applicable```
```Destroyers:
Twin 127mm MK12, Quad 533mm Magnetic Torpedo, Repair Tools x2, 93 Pure Oxygen Torpedo
Barrage boats like Yuudaichi or Ayanami will prefer blue 76mm AA gun or gold twin 100mm AA gun```
```Anti Air:
Twin 113mm = Quadruple 40mm Bofors > Twin 105mm SKC > Octuple 40mm Pom Pom```
```Pearl's Tears is not necesary to be maxed but it's still health of a toolbox and should replace it on one of your boats```
```If you are running no Destroyers in your fleet at all, you owe it to yourself to have at least some Boilers equipped, and idealy, replace every Toolbox with one. Speed is a very underused stat, with it your fleet will be much more agile and physically avoid small arms, Battleships shots and plane bombardment much easier.```higher rarities are better
I guess I could have just said go look at the google doc 
modern tree
More info for my tactical notepad which I should probably paste here sometime for someone to pin because its probably a bunch of things that are useful to know, but nobody will ask about
coral wren
I saved it up all on a screenshot for future use- TY DAXAm
lone pendant
@coral wren ayy same
coral wren
aww oki
hollow dawn
you need smth pinned?
azure aurora
@hollow dawn Daxam post about gear
hollow dawn
azure aurora
Thx
hollow dawn
hybrid tendon
Juneau is a must in any kind of pvp tier list 🤔
But i don't want to use her
Because its kinda mean
Still, got her skills maxed just in case
hybrid tendon
That 25% fleetheal is
azure aurora
For me juneau not must but Aurora is
thorny bramble
is amagi in JP pvp meta now
idle python
it's definitely a thing but I doubt it'll ever be the most popular option just due to how quickly nakaga ends fights
gilded atlas
Its like almost a given akaga 2nd strike will land on enemy main with Amagi
odd schooner
Ye from my experience she's really stealing mvp even from ayanami
Wonder how long will the hype last and how long would the discussion about hood vs amagi die off in like almost all AL related page
lunar veldt
amagi has better skills/utility than hood
debuff
eva up
torb barrage
nice frontal barrage for enermy frontline
hood is too outdated
lunar veldt
yeah heh u can use them both
azure aurora
vague token
azure aurora
Nagato with 40% reload buff from hood is good right?
Need to re check hood skill again
/wiki hood
strange moatBOT
Z23 Sensei
foggy token
are u memeing?
vague token
well, i was memeing
azure aurora
Yes memeing
vague token
hood/amagi/sandy is a meme for sure
ivory vine
you could prob run amagi with hood on en well
vague token
no matter who else you toss in
foggy token
hiryuu kai or taihoe would be ur best 3rd
ivory vine
not hyuuga kai?
lunar veldt
thats why
azure aurora
Taihoe ?
lunar veldt
the chink pvp tier list
ivory vine
either way id run hiryuu kai cuz i like her
lunar veldt
has
azure aurora
Her skill rng right ?
lunar veldt
amagi/nagato/hiryu kai
lunar veldt
ivory vine
aviation stat as high as enterprise
azure aurora
Pretty sure still far from en
topaz beacon
ijn and their 🚮 aa, name a better duo
azure aurora
USS with their good torpedo?
vague token
ivory vine
does her kai airstrike use your torp planes?
or does it use a specific type and ignore your equip
topaz beacon
specific type
foggy token
its a special plane
vague token
most of the plane skills are their own planes
topaz beacon
but her kai airstrike hardly matters does it
lunar veldt
the selling point of her kit aint that
topaz beacon
its all abt her blue skill
foggy token
7% chance
lunar veldt
its her aviation stat and that defiance ability
ivory vine
she also has pretty high aa stat
foggy token
on average hiryuu kai barrage throw out 2.04 planes
ivory vine
i think the highest of any cv
azure aurora
Soryuu fate really sad, both sister got kai but everyone only talked about hiryuu
foggy token
rip
ivory vine
well maybe she shouldve just had a cheat death and she could be used too
lunar veldt
what soryuu ?
lunar veldt
what kai?
ivory vine
something like increased vanguard damage iirc
lunar veldt
poor girl
foggy token
no one uses good comps on my server. bunch of filthy casuals 🚮
idle python
the tier list posted above only pretends that the opposing comp is the t0 comp for reference
see the v2.0 one for his actual tier list (if you care about it)
hot creek
no one in my lobby doing their pvps
foggy token
@idle python 
idle python
foggy token
hu3
real notch
just did a 13 game test
against this fleet
Higehigebomber (amagi, akagi, kaga | jintsuu, aurora, ayanami) 12.7/13.0
current fleet (akagi, kaga, enterprise | belfast, jintsuu, aurora) 12.5/13.0
Foxes vs. Foxes
game 1 - loss
Game 2 - win
Game 3 - win
Game 4 - win
Game 5 - win
Game 6 - win
Game 7 - win
Game 8 - win
Game 9 - win
Game 10 - win
Game 11 - win
Game 12 - win
Game 13 - win
this fleet is about as strong as wasd i feel
but less RNG and faster wins
i might have to update my tierlist to put amakaga in tier 0
hot creek
any opponent not running juneau on defense is a free win anyways
real notch
yea i agree
juneau defense is pretty damn strong
assuming she doesn't
a. get insta-torped and overheal
b. get airstriked and overheal
modern tree
Juneau dying to airstrikes is pretty rare unless she ate torps. She has about 600 AA if her skill procs
vague token
nowadays i just gun juneau down between starter torps and my pocket minn xD
or literally any BB shot
modern tree
People on en still struggling to figure out how to use Juneau properly
gilded atlas
To be fair no 1 has lvled all of Amagi's skill in Eng
Should probably wait 1 or 2 weeks
modern tree
I am going to have 8 7 7 today, which is probably good enough to mess around with her. Won't be maxed out until end of the event tho, most likely
Gonna play wasd amagi with Belfast Juneau Jintsuu or Helena to see how many wins I can steal without losing a backliner
vague token
lol
too bad urakaze heal isnt 100%
chance*
you could troll with urakaze, hatakaze, and juneau xD
no matter who you shoot, someone gets healed
modern tree
Shame my only ijn vanguard are Jintsuu Ayaya and Shiranui cuz I won't be able to try full waeaboo front with wasd until my secret boat is ready
azure aurora
Exc them, no good vanguard ijn right?
Poi not good
Or mutsuki kai
Ok that oot
modern tree
My secret boat is Abukuma kai
odd schooner
I'm still doing the suicide strats on my def frontline
azure aurora
Aurora jintsuu aya. But rng always screw me when i using them with foxes
Juneau eldridge Belfast, feel no damage and not trigger amagi
modern tree
She does only buff dd, but she's less fragile than Kagerou cuz kai
And has chain torps
So she's probably fine
modern tree
Na
modern tree
Wasd Amagi Belfast Juneau Jintsuu/Helena for me, gotta see the reasonable strats at work
azure aurora
Too risky , 1 lag and bad rng insta lose
modern tree
Play with Fortune, duh
odd schooner
Can be
modern tree
Just go maximum cancer
odd schooner
Yes, it can work
Belfast Juneau Fortune
Keep juneau mid so she full heals backrow later
azure aurora
Thats old meta
modern tree
Punish those dirty hms players
odd schooner
modern tree
Necessary evil
azure aurora
Put her in back
modern tree
Guess it depends how much mileage you want out of Fortune
lunar veldt
shhh let people keep their juneau infront
the faster we put her out of her misery the better
wise summit
anyone experimenting with BB Kaga at all? or are her skills not strong enough to make her relevant
lunar veldt
50% proc rate
enough said
even though she can trigger akagi's Ikkousen, she is still meh
there are way better BBs than her so yeah
blazing knot
When does Gensui rush start?
real notch
@blazing knot depends on server
blazing knot
how many "days remaining" is the earliest possible time to achieve gensui?
is it 2 days 0 hrs?
lime rivet
3, i think
blazing knot
is it easier to wait till others have already gotten their 2500 points and switched to memefleets?
does that even happen?
spark oxide
what is gensui
gilded atlas
Unlikely you can make it cuz you have to reach top 5
foggy token
10
gilded atlas
yeah
best bet is to try to quickly finish at reset to see if you can momentarily hit top 10 to get
lunar veldt
smth smth spreading out your attacks
gilded atlas
when you already have 2500 of course
spreading out won't help in this case cuz you're trying to finish up before the original top 10 finishes theirs
some possible lurkers below will catch up too
blazing knot
doesnt it only refresh every hour?
so if u are within range, u have 59min to blow your wad and get into top 10
its how its worked for me so far
gilded atlas
doesn't
as long you can hit top 10 for 1s it counts
pvp updates immediately the last time i tried
lime rivet
Correct. The leaderboards and ranks update immediately
Opponent rank updates every hour, so you want to rush
blazing knot
OK I see, so it is live
In that case it feels like if I want to bucket list Gensui, I should wait for after the initial rush
To sneak one through
lunar veldt
the question now for u to answer is, when is your server's initial rush
are people lurking around too
livid fractal
Rank rush starts at 2days 12 hours
Where people can pass the 2200 point rank
To get early admiral of the fleet
So pretty much at 3 days you should have 2150+ points to qualify
lime rivet
Yeah, that's what I remembered
blazing knot
Perfect, exactly what I was after @livid fractal
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